1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Samantha and welcome to stuff. Mom never 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: told you a production of iHeartRadio, and today I am 3 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: still anyless as she is still on dury duty doing 4 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: her civic duty once again. However, we are here with 5 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: a very special edition of Sminty with a bit of 6 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: a crossover that I've been envisioning and I think I've 7 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: been talking about for a while. 8 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 2: To you, Caroline anyway. 9 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: That is me and Caroline, if you haven't guess, translating 10 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: our real life friendship into the podcast, which Caroline, of course, 11 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: have put many years, blood, sweat and tears to help 12 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: create and push out into the world. Yes, y'all, I 13 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: am joined by dearest and old hat of this podcast, Caroline. Yea. 14 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it's funny you and I haven't actually 15 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 3: seen each other in quite a while, so I know 16 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 3: you have to schedule me to come on your show 17 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 3: and talk for us to be able to hang out. 18 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: This is essentially I'm paying you to come be my 19 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: friend like this is. This has always been my plan. 20 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: I guess essentially. I was just thinking about our meet 21 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: cute you and I and it had something to do 22 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: with this podcast specifically, because the day that I met 23 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: you in my Really I was in costume, wasn't. 24 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 3: I was at a Trader Vix in downtown Atlanta, in 25 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 3: the basement of what the Hilton. 26 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: I think this is Hilton, and for those of you, 27 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: I think Trader Vicks is like a national wide chain. 28 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: But it's a huge significance for dragon Com, which we've 29 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: talked a lot about on the show. I know your nightmare, 30 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: Annie's love and honestly her hunger games and trying to 31 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: get everything worked out. But it is like the pinnacle 32 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: of that con. I guess and friends of ours who 33 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: also loved dragon Con couldn't be there that year or something. 34 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: And this is in our young adulthood. 35 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: So when we were actually doing things, when I was 36 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: actually doing things, when we left as when we left 37 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: the house and had adventures, Caroline, you know, we had adventures. 38 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: We do. 39 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: But anyway, but like I had dressed up because they 40 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: were like they would disown us or be anty with us. 41 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: We didn't. 42 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: You didn't dress up and they still talk to you. 43 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: But like I was like, Okay, I'll be the really 44 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: cliche schoolgirl Asian schoolgirl. 45 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 3: You did that I did. 46 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: There's a lot of shame. 47 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 3: It's fine. 48 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 2: Let it go, but not a regret. 49 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 3: Karma snatched yours immediately because did you get a flat 50 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 3: tire on the list? 51 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: I did, and I was stranded at the varsity with 52 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: two of my friends, one who us like Kalaysi, the 53 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: other one I believe was like no old country for like, 54 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: you know, old man type of thing, and me in 55 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: my Asian girl outfit at the varsity. And by the way, 56 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,679 Speaker 1: not to put any sexist tropes on it, but the 57 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: dude did not know how to change the tire, so 58 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: that was even funnier because everybody expected him to be 59 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: helpful and he was not. We had other friends to 60 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: come pick us up. But that was the night that 61 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: you and I met in My Glory and. 62 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 3: You found out that I was co hosting a podcast 63 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 3: with your best friend's sister. 64 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: Yes, it was such a moment and from then on 65 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: history has just turned out this way. 66 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and now you have to bring me on your 67 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 3: show to talk to me. 68 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: And now to hang out with you since I haven't 69 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: seen you in sixth months. 70 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 3: That's what happened. Oh god, it has I don't know. 71 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: I'm just making that. 72 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 3: It has been since July. Yeah, I was just lying, 73 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: but that's what happens. You and I both became homeowners 74 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: during the pandemic, and we've crawled into our little holes. 75 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: It's true, it's true. 76 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: It's quite funny because apparently I want to be Caroline. 77 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: I have done everything in succession to you, including buying 78 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: a home, which is hysterical to me. I'm like, I 79 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: swear to God, I'm not single, white femaling her. I'm 80 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: not white, but you know, you get the gist. And 81 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: then following you on the show and all of that 82 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:27,559 Speaker 1: as well. I think it's funny because we just meshed 83 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: really well. And at the same time, I think you're 84 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: one of the few people who keep me in line, 85 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,679 Speaker 1: like generally, and I'm. 86 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 3: Like, oh, happy to do so. 87 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: You do so well and I miss you. 88 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: Yes, And I also was thinking about the fact that, yeah, 89 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: adulthood adult friendships after like hitting past thirty five kids. 90 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: We don't even have kids, but it's still pretending like 91 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: we do and don't ever leave the house, like we're 92 00:04:54,920 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: so busy. But yet, I mean, I have Peaches still 93 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: trying to get you to get a dog. 94 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 2: You need this. 95 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 3: We yeah, we want a dog. Everybody's buoying us about 96 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 3: getting a dog. We will. We just have to like 97 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 3: build a fence. Girl, I told you my roof is destroyed. 98 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 3: Not really, that's me being dramatic, but we have to 99 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: get a new roof. 100 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: I mean it's effective, like your roof, and you know what, 101 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: I got the y'all, we're going way off track. 102 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: But I also have a little I found a leak 103 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,119 Speaker 1: in one of my ceilings but it wasn't the roof, 104 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: and I was like, how am I literally following caroline footsteps? 105 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: You had a tree thing. I'm like, I got a 106 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: tree Thing's let's be friends. 107 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: I got to cut down all of the trees so 108 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 3: they don't hit our house. We're going to replace our. 109 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: Roofs oh god. 110 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, so this is our livelihoods as well as 111 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: our friendship. 112 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 2: Essentially, this is our friendship. 113 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: But you're hearing the muddled up trying to catch up 114 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: on is our friendship usually over drinks. So welcome to 115 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: this insight. But I'm so excited to have you. 116 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: On this show. 117 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: Welcome Caroline, And you know, I'm excited about this conversation. 118 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: Excited and like a dreaded ugh excited. And it was 119 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: kind of funny. I love that I sent you a 120 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,559 Speaker 1: text me like, Hey, I know this is really odd 121 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: and I know it's been a minute, but do you 122 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: want to come back on and talk about the subject 123 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: with me? In which you were like what as in 124 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: like you had had done well in stepping away, not 125 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: from the issues necessarily, but being drugged down by the issues. 126 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: Well, I think didn't you text me the day that 127 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: it got the abortion ruling? And we'll back up, Yeah, 128 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 3: didn't you text me like the day it got overturned? 129 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 3: And so I didn't even I hadn't even seen the headline. 130 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was soon after. It was very soon after. 131 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: Everything is very fresh. 132 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: I keep up with stuff, but I do have a 133 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 3: nine to five now. I like nine to five concerns 134 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: keep me busy. 135 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: I love that well obviously because if any and we 136 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: have a lot of loyal listeners that have been with 137 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: the show from jump or have been with so many years, 138 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: are familiar with you. 139 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 2: So can you let the listeners know what you've been 140 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: up to and how you are? 141 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, Hi, everybody, it's your pal Caroline. What I've been 142 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: up to? How far back do we want to go? 143 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 3: So I was on you, I was born, No, I 144 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 3: left unladylike in twenty two, so the same year I 145 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 3: bought a house. I loved this. 146 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: Think you have changed. 147 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, left my job with Kristen, which you know we 148 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: started as y'all know, we started on Lady like after 149 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 3: we left stuff, Mom've never told you, and I have 150 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 3: been working as a communications consultant since then. And yeah, 151 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 3: that's that's it. 152 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: You've done a lot if you haven't, And I don't know 153 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: many listeners still follow you on Instagram and all the 154 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: social media is except for TikTok is. Caroline refuses to 155 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: have tech talk. 156 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: It's fair enough, fair. 157 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 3: Enough, Please stop making me join things. 158 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:07,119 Speaker 2: It's fair. 159 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: But like, no, you could leave Twitter and come to 160 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: tech talk instead. 161 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 3: Well I'm not so. I haven't deleted my Twitter profile, 162 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: it's still up, but I'm not on there. Instead. I 163 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: made the mistake of joining threads. And I call it 164 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: a mistake because I'm not really a doom scroller, but 165 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: something on threads, like even if I'm not reading doom 166 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 3: scroll news kind of stuff, I just cannot stop. I'm 167 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 3: just I'm it's it grabs into some part of my 168 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 3: brain that is, like just keep reading these people, Yeah, 169 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: random stories that you don't really care about. 170 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 2: So is it like MySpace coming back to life? 171 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: No, I mean it is Twitter. 172 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: Don't do threads, Okay, No. 173 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 3: It's just a Twitter like copy and paste. 174 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: Oh so, but threads is Instagram right, Yeah, these are sponsors, 175 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: by the way, y'all. I'm just trying to figure this 176 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: out because that's the one thing I refuse to do. 177 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 3: Friends is owned by Instagram and I So it's funny 178 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 3: when I left, unladylike and knowing all the things and 179 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: having opinions about the things was no longer my job. Yeah, 180 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 3: I fell off of Twitter so fast. I was so girl. 181 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 3: I used to be so online. I knew, I know 182 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 3: the things, and I would bring like I would be 183 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 3: so deeply embedded in whatever Twitter drama was happening every day, 184 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 3: and I would bring it to Kristen and she would 185 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 3: be like, what, Yes, And now I'm that person. Now 186 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 3: I blissfully have no idea what's going on. I mean, 187 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 3: especially Twitter, Like, who even wants to know what's going 188 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 3: on over there? But yeah, I don't know, you know, 189 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 3: the memes, I don't know the weird jokes. I don't 190 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: know the main character of the day. 191 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: I feel like our friend Matt does a really great 192 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: job in trying to keep us up with the memes, 193 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: because we definitely get a lot of messages with things 194 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,599 Speaker 1: that I'm like, okay, okay, okay, that's all. And I 195 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: have at least two of th friends who keep us 196 00:09:58,400 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: in check. 197 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say our friend John to who we 198 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 3: met through Matt, also does a good job. He messages 199 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 3: me all sorts of silly things. I didn't even know 200 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 3: Celine Dion was singing at the Olympics until he. 201 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: I feel like, that's such a John Cody thing, y'all. Sorry, 202 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: these are inside looks in our friendship once again. 203 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 204 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: So she is obviously on liin still Instagram and you 205 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: could see her adventures in gardening. I find that hilarious. 206 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: But you've always been really good with plants. 207 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 3: Well, no, that didn't start until the pandemic and I 208 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: needed something to care for or. 209 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: Do careful Carabelle. 210 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I lived lived in an apartment in downtown Decater 211 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 3: and just started buying all these plants. And then once 212 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 3: Joshua and I started dating, and he's super into what 213 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 3: that mean? Can I have a casual hobby? 214 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, adhd unite. 215 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 3: We just went deep on those on those gardening hobbies. 216 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 2: They got so many things. You have a great backyard 217 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: for it. Oh well, it's perfect. 218 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 3: We've got the hoop house, but the tomato in it. 219 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 3: We have all these raised beds. We're toying with the 220 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: idea of starting a CSA, but you know, like, but 221 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 3: not because we don't want to get in trouble. As 222 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 3: I say this to like a lot of people, people, 223 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 3: we don't want to teach anyone really because it's like, oh, 224 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 3: we don't want to get in trouble for like having 225 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 3: a backyard, right business. So I mean, did you ever 226 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 3: see me post about having a CSA on Instagram? I'm 227 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 3: just joking. Uh, but please give me money for my letters. 228 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: It's not it's just among friends. I would pay you 229 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: for the tomatoes for sure, which I've seen. Anyway, we've 230 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: gotten way way for sidetracked again. 231 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: This is what happens when I don't see you in 232 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 2: six months. 233 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: I'm trying to do this professionally. Yeah, I've been telling you, sorry, 234 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: but not. This has been a long time in making. 235 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 3: Podcasts parasocial relationships. It's the conversations that matter. Samantha. 236 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: Well, it's true, and you know what I feel like 237 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: this validates me when I'm like, no, really, I'm friends 238 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: with her. No really, I know her in real life, 239 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: so I feel like I have to really prove this, Like, see, 240 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: I know all this information about Caroline because I know 241 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: her in real life. 242 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 2: I do not stalk her. I mean, I'm mean, come on, 243 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 2: don't worry about it. 244 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: I do want to put a date, obviously, because things 245 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: are ever changing, as we've already said. We actually did 246 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: a Monday many about abortions in the state of Georgia 247 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: already and it was like, oh, completely out of date 248 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: very quickly. But today is October eleventh, twenty twenty four, 249 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: and again things are ever changing, very quickly. 250 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: Changing. 251 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: Elections are here. Early voting has pretty much arrived because 252 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: registrations have ended, especially for the state of Georgia. 253 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: See especially I can't I'm going to early vote out 254 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 3: of this election. 255 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: Yes, me too. 256 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: We haven't really, Caroline said any many episodes about the 257 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: election because I'm just so disheartened by everything. Yeah that 258 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: it's hard to really gain traction and excitement in anything 259 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 1: except for saving somewhat of our rights in well. 260 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: Crossing our fingers that way that can happen. But we'll see. 261 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, so Today is October eleventh of twenty twenty four, 262 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: and we are talking about abortions, specifically in the state 263 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: of Georgia. So with that, this is a conversation that 264 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: usually I think you and I would have over Margarita's 265 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: with a lot of cursing. And though we may not 266 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: have Margarita's in hand, I know that's the sad part. 267 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: I have a feeling there's going to be some cursing 268 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: because we are very passionate about this. I'm very upset 269 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: about so many things. 270 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 3: So out of the habit of not editing myself, so yeah, 271 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 3: just get the bleep finger ready. 272 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: So if you're listening to this with a child and 273 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: they're like, why is that beating so much, just pretend 274 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: like it's a rap song. 275 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 2: It's fine. 276 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: Content warning for our listeners again, this will be an 277 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: angry episode with carsoning as we talk about the ever 278 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: changing situation of the reproductive laws and abortion bands in 279 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: the state of Georgia and around. But we are kind 280 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: of focusing on Georgia because that's maybe a lot of 281 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: headlines recently. So, like we said, we've talked about this 282 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: a little bit without a Monday mini about how in 283 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: the state of Georgia. At least two women have died 284 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: due to the strict abortion laws that have been put 285 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: in place in the state of Georgia. So just as 286 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: a quick rundown. After the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. 287 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: Wade in twenty twenty two, Georgia, as well as many 288 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: other states, quickly enacted a six week abortion ban, which 289 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: had been held up in the Georgia Supreme Court until 290 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: that point. 291 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: But it was like a trigger law, right, it was, 292 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 3: but it wasn't. 293 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: Georgia was a little slower, so they couldn't classify that. 294 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: But they've been working on banning abortion for a long 295 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: long time. 296 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 3: So it's the Life Act that you're talking about, right, 297 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: Like Governor Brian Kemp signed that into law in twenty nineteen. 298 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 3: So when Roevie Wade was overturned in twenty twenty two, 299 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 3: and you and I and a couple of our other 300 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 3: friends went down and marched around the capitol, it took effect. 301 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 3: But we had a a superstar judge. Not that I'm 302 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: a fan of elevating any politician or elected official or 303 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 3: anybody on a court to superstar status. But when I 304 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 3: went back and read about that initial attempt at the 305 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 3: ban being struck down, the law being struck down, it 306 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 3: was Robert McBurney. It's the same Fulton County Superior judge. 307 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's been standing toe to toe against this 308 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: law for a minute. And this is where this one 309 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: was challenged. It was held up in the Supreme Court 310 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: because they were like they knew what was coming. Unfortunately, 311 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: this was a plan. We've talked about this as a plan. 312 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: This has been a plan since jump from the nineteen seventies, 313 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: Like they've been waiting for this moment, knowing that as 314 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: soon as Roe v. Wade was enacted, they were like, yeah, 315 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: we'll come back to this. 316 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: Well we got you. Of course, we talked about Dobbz v. 317 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: Jackson before, which was the catalyst in the overturning of everything. 318 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: So since then, yes, the six week ban had been 319 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: put in due place during that time. Again, I'm gonna 320 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: put this as a caveat like at least two women 321 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: because they're the ones that being named specifically due to 322 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: the abortion van We said in the Monday Many how 323 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: the family of Amber specifically was like please, like we 324 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: need something to be done. But she is not just 325 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: a martyr here. She was a person and this is 326 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: what should be noted. This is the conversation should that 327 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: should be had. And unfortunately she has become a martyr 328 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: for both sides. And I say both sides as in 329 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: like left leaning and right leaning. And I'm gonna talk 330 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: about that end. 331 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 2: A little bit. 332 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: But it's really sad that is taken this point. And 333 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: it's taken a while for this to be brought to 334 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: attention by the way this happened previously, and it's yes, 335 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: and then they are like, oh, oh, and the other 336 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: death and we'll talk about her a little bit. A 337 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: Candy Miller was something because she was afraid of being 338 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: prosecuted and persecuted for the want of having an abortion, 339 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: and she died tragically due to that. So again, since then, 340 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: many stays across the country have been putting more restrictive 341 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: bands as well. Stays like Texas, Tennessee, and Idaho and 342 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure that's just three out of a bucket are 343 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: using criminal charges for those who might go across state 344 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: lines to access abortion care as well. Alabama was also 345 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: mentioned in here. We know that governor at thoughts. 346 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 3: What the governor of Alabama say, essentially. 347 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: Like they deserve to be prosecuted, and this should be 348 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: a sederal thing, which everybody swore, you know, abortion overturning 349 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: of Rovi Vwade had everything with state rights, which I 350 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: feel like they use for anything because we know that 351 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: was a whole thing with you know, slavery. 352 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say, whenever the issue of 353 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 3: state's rights comes up, I. 354 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: Think we know what's happening, right, that's the biggest like. 355 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 2: Side. 356 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: But we know that that's that level that they talk 357 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: about except for state rights. They want to overreach and say, 358 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: but that state doesn't have that right only if it 359 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: messes with our state. So we know that's happened as well. 360 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: And then there are states that are trying to protect 361 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: abortion access by putting the issues to vote for the people, 362 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: including Nebraska, Arizona, Florida, Colorado, Maryland, Missouri, Montana, and Nevada 363 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: and out Dakota. So I believe Florida the SATIS is 364 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: trying to fight against that. I'm not sure if he 365 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: was able to. I probably should have looked at him more, 366 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: but whatever, because I don't like the saintest it was, however, 367 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: but he was really anti putting this on the ballot. 368 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The people 369 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: don't understand. 370 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 3: Hey, I mean, he sounds like a traditionalist to me, 371 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 3: because that's what the founding fathers. 372 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: Thought too, which is why we're in this mess. 373 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 3: The people don't understand. 374 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: So in the state of Georgia, that is not an option. 375 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: At one point I thought, actually there was a conversation 376 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: about putting it on the ballot, But I should have 377 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: known better because Kemp what uh never, he doesn't trust 378 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: the people, which is kind of ironic. 379 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 3: That's the thing. These I'm trying to bleep myself, These 380 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: bleepity bleepers won't put it on the ballot because they 381 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 3: know that in this country, like poll after pole, study 382 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 3: after study have shown just how quote unquote popular abortion is, 383 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 3: that it has the support right she remain legal. But anyway, God, 384 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 3: it's like it's like companies that don't want to survey 385 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 3: their employees, you know, It's like, right, yeah, because you 386 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 3: don't want to find out how terrible you've been doing. 387 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: Right on top of the size that if people do 388 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: find out how terrible you are doing, you don't want 389 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: to answer for it. So instead you're just going to 390 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: redistrict everything. It hopes that you will win, or just 391 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: put in maga like conspiracy people to go ahead and say, yeah, 392 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: this this election was invalid, which has already. 393 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 3: Oh my god, have you have you been reading about 394 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 3: Malania's memoir that I only saw parts of it, and 395 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 3: I'm like, what she she she pushes the big lie 396 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 3: in her book. I mean, not surprisingly, but everybody everybody's 397 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 3: focused on I mean that she's supposedly like pro choice, right, 398 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 3: and I'm like, no, we are not elevating this woman. 399 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: No, no, they're trying. 400 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: But which is really funny because once again, that whole 401 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: party would be very upset with her if that was 402 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: actually true. But it is actually true for her, you know, 403 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: she is pro choice for her, and everything we know 404 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: about that book is everything to do with Donald Trump's 405 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: political advisors being like, we're going to do this book 406 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: with her because she's a woman and people are gonna 407 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,479 Speaker 1: love it. And then we're gonna be like, look see, 408 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: and she supports the president. 409 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 2: We're like, she's been in my. 410 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 3: Finally, so yeah, I mean, I'm sure he's paying her 411 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 3: a great salary. 412 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, or at the very least like he's faking 413 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: something and giving her buildings or promises I don't know. 414 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 3: He sounds like a song lyric buildings, you know. Do 415 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 3: we need to talk about the headlines? 416 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 2: But yes, So in the state Georgia, this is not 417 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: an option. Putting it down the ballot was like, now 418 00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 2: we're not gonna let the people vote for this. 419 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: So again we talked about in our Monday Mini. After 420 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: the public was made aware of the preventable depths of 421 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: Amber Thurman and Candy Miller, Sister Song, Women of Color, 422 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: Reproductive Justice, Collective Peoples and some other organizations filed to 423 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: have the current abortion ban struck down and was actually successful. 424 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: So here's the quote from the Guardian about what happened. So, 425 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: the Fulton County Superior Judge Robert McBurney ruled that Georgia's 426 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: six week ban, which outlaws abortion before many people even 427 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: though they are pregnant, is unconstitutional. 428 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 2: And here's the quote. He said. 429 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: Women are not some piece of collectively owned community property, 430 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: the disposition of which is decided by majority vote. McBurney 431 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: wrote in his fiery twenty six page opinion, forcing a 432 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: woman to carry an unwanted, not yet viable fetus to 433 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: term violates her constitutional rights to liberty and privacy and 434 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: even taking into consideration whatever bundle of rights the not 435 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: yet vible feedus may have. 436 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: So he was all about it. He jumped in and 437 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 2: was like yeah. 438 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: He even says, very pointedly, this is obviously geared and 439 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: uh subjected to women only, like calling it out. 440 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 3: Can we like cross stitch his whole ruling on a pillow? 441 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: Yes? Please? 442 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: Really like, I feel like that should have been everybody 443 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: I know celebrated to this end. I'm not gonna lie. 444 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: I just sat and held my breath because I was like, I. 445 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 3: Was super sid I know, I felt the same way. 446 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 3: I looked at my phone and I was like, oh, yes, 447 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 3: so good. So this is great. I love good news, 448 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 3: good for Georgia, you know. And I follow Sister Song, 449 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 3: I follow Feminist Women's Health Center, and they were all 450 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 3: posting about it, and I'm, you know, I'm that heard 451 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 3: in every post like an old lady at home liking it, like, yes, 452 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 3: this is fabulous. Can't you know, can't celebrate too long 453 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 3: because what's gonna happen next? 454 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: But right, So, here's Governor Kemp's ironic statement, which Ida 455 00:23:58,680 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: said about earlier. 456 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 2: Hit to dad about this about this ruling. 457 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: He says, once again, the will of Georgians and their 458 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: representatives have been overruled by the personal beliefs of one 459 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: Judge Ran Alert right, protecting the lives of the most 460 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: vulnerable among us is one of our most sacred responsibilities, 461 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: and Georgia will continue to be a place where we 462 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: fight for the lives of the unborn. All right, I 463 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: love again he makes no statement. I'm sure he did 464 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: try to play into like, oh, yes, these women's deaths 465 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: are unfortunate. However, again that whole level of like one 466 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: Georgian and. 467 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, are you saying this? Who is checking your speech? 468 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 3: I don't know, I mean, and it doesn't help that 469 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 3: any time anybody talks about the unborn, I just think 470 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 3: about the undiad. 471 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 2: You have a picture of like zombie vetuses. 472 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: So that all went down and with that temporary victory. 473 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 1: Here's some of the responses for the advocates. A statement 474 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: from Monica Simpson, who is the executive director of Sister 475 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: Song Women of Color Reproductive Justice Collective. She said today's 476 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: win was hard fought and is a significant step in 477 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: the right direction towards achieving reproductive justice in Georgia. We 478 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: are encouraged that a Georgia Court has rules for bodily autonomy. 479 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: At the same time, we can't forget that every day 480 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: the band has been in place has been a day 481 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: too long, and we have felt the dire consequences with 482 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: the devastating and preventable depths of Amber, Nicole Thurman, and 483 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: Candy Miller. For years, black women have sounded the alarm 484 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: that abortion bands are deadly, while true justice would mean 485 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: Amber and Candy were still with us. Today, we will 486 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,959 Speaker 1: continue to demand accountability to ensure that their lives and 487 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: the lives of others who we have yet to learn of, 488 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: were not lost in vain. Black women have remained at 489 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: the forefront of the battle for our reproductive freedom, and 490 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: today's victory is historic, powerful, and just the beginning. We 491 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: know the fight continued use as anti abortion white supremacists 492 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: will stop at nothing to control our bodies and attack 493 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: our liberation. We are ready for them and will never 494 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: back down until we achieve reproductive justice, the human right 495 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: to maintain personal bodily autonomy, the human right to have 496 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: children or not and raise them in safe and sustainable communities. 497 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: So that was her response, and yes, it definitely was 498 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: one of those rallying and remembering type of speeches. We 499 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 1: had a statement from Alice Wayang, who is the staff 500 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: attorney at the Center for Reproductive Rights, and she writes, 501 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: the Superior Court of Fulton County has rightfully struck down 502 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: George's six week abortion ban as a flagrant violation of 503 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: George's long standing and robust right to privacy, restoring access 504 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: to abortion at a time when too many have been 505 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: prevented from accessing this critical health care and from deciding 506 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: what is best for their bodies, health, and family lives. 507 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: For too long, the ban has caused a public health crisis, 508 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: as evidenced by the testimony plaintifs presented at trial and 509 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: devastating stories recently reported about the preventable deaths of Candy 510 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: Miller and Ambernicole Thurman. Today's ruling is a step forward 511 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: ensuring that people can access and clinicians can provide critical 512 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: health care without fear of criminalization or stigma. This victory 513 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 1: demonstrates that when the course faithfully apply constitutional protections for 514 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: bodily autonomy, laws that restrict access to abortion and force 515 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: people to continue pregnancies against their will cannot stand. So 516 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: there was a lot of victorious speeches and I was 517 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: really like, yes, I think there are so many more statements. 518 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: If you go under the ACLU, they have a whole 519 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: slew of representatives talking about what this meant for the state, 520 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: what this meant for the country, and how this is 521 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: something that is about bodily autonomy and whether you can 522 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: or cannot like both of those things about pregnancy, about 523 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: pursuing your pregnancy and having a child or not, and 524 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: moving on with your life. There's so many things in 525 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: this conversation because there's also that bigger conversation about IVF 526 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 1: treatment and that being taken off the table as well. 527 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 2: And we know many many. 528 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: Of political figures as well as people in their lives 529 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: that have been through IVF trying to get pregnant because 530 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: they felt like that was what they were supposed to do. 531 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: I'm just this is an opinion, Like I think a 532 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: lot of people have families, especially in the Republican slash 533 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,959 Speaker 1: conservative sector, to fall in line with that ideal of 534 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: the household in the head of a household, that whole narrative, 535 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: which we talked about at length in our Religious Trauma, 536 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: because that's something that's completely fed into this abortion ban 537 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: as well. But there's this white supremacist ideal behind this 538 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: abortion ban and about how it empowers white supremacists, especially 539 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: in places like the state of Georgia. So there's definitely 540 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: a deeper level of conversation. We have a moment of 541 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: victory of like yay, did look at this Georgia which 542 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: has given me whiplash. Georgia is an amazing area when 543 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: you want excitement dot dot dot with whether we were 544 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: talking about the election, as we have done some amazing 545 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: things and done some model things as well as talking 546 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: about like the way the community uh and its population 547 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: has grown in such a different way than fifty years ago, 548 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: which we love to see, you would love to see 549 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: more of. 550 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's why you hear, you know, when 551 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 3: people right off the South as just it's all mega people, 552 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 3: it's all just racist white people down there doing terrible things. 553 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 3: And for sure there's plenty of that, but you know, 554 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 3: you do have organizations like Sister Song that represent like 555 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 3: the other viewpoint that we are not a monolith down 556 00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 3: here for sure. 557 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: Right and again we have to remind people, like I 558 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: think when we see things happening due to bad laws 559 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: and bad faith that happens in the state and then 560 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: people are like, this is what you get for voting 561 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: for these people, and we're. 562 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 2: Like no, no, no, no, no. 563 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,959 Speaker 1: Just a reminder about how heavily the powers that is 564 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: currently in place uses every trick in the book in 565 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: order to keep that power, and what that looks like 566 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: for us who don't have as much of a voice 567 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: even if we try. The amount of protesting that happens 568 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: here is a lot. Actually, they had to put up 569 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: a damn iron fence around the capitol because they were 570 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: afraid of the backlash that was going to happen. Atlanta, 571 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: which is where Atlanta is in Fulton County, which we 572 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: talk about a lot, has a dense part of the 573 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: Georgia state population. But because of the way that the 574 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: government has set it up, they don't give us much power. 575 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 2: They do and they don't. 576 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: It's kind of one of those things that limited Cobb County, 577 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: which is where Marietta actually where the Braves are now 578 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: playing out. It's where I'm from, It's where Caroline Yields from. 579 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: Y'all like, has gone from all red to being very 580 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: purple slash kind of blue. But they redistricted it so quickly. 581 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: I know that's not a term that they like. Again, 582 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: it would make your head spin what is happening in 583 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: that level. So when people want to throw out that 584 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: term like that, that's phrase of like this is your 585 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: fault because you voted for this. That's not always true. 586 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: And people who are suffering are those who are trying 587 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: to change it, much like the black community, which is what. 588 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: How things have changed to begin with. 589 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 3: And then we got with splash again just this week. 590 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and just not too long ago. 591 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: So as soon as we reported this small victory, we 592 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: immediately had a reversal. Again we knew this was coming 593 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,479 Speaker 1: from the same Guardian article. It says George's Republican Attorney 594 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: General Chris Carr quickly appealed mcburney's ruling. On Monday of 595 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: this week. Only one judge dissented in part from the 596 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: ruling to reinstate the ban. One judge did not participate, 597 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: while another had been disqualified from taking part in the case. 598 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: And this is what they wrote. Fundamentally, the Stays should 599 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: not be in the business of enforcing laws that have 600 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: been determined to violate fundamental rights guaranteed to millions of 601 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: individuals under the Georgia constitutions. Just as John Ellington wrote, 602 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: the status quo that should be maintained is the state 603 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: of the law before the challenge laws took effect. Once again, 604 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm kind of going back and forth with like, do 605 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: y'all hear what you're saying, because if we want to 606 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: challenge that, we should go back to what it was 607 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: before it was like what are you talking which which time? 608 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 2: At which time? 609 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? Now, I think conservatives are really good at doing that, 610 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 3: And honestly, from just like a pr key messaging talking 611 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 3: coin standpoint, I feel like liberals are bad at it. 612 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 3: We're too honest, we're too straight forward. 613 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 2: We do we hold ourselves to accountable. 614 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 3: We don't want to sound stupid by saying stuff like 615 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 3: that because then somebody will just say, well but it 616 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 3: was this other way before, to be caught in a lie. 617 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 3: But conservatives have no problem doing that. They play a 618 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 3: little dirtier, which I loved. That's in heavy air quotes. 619 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 3: I loved Clear Bartlett's quote. You know, she's the executive 620 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 3: director for the Georgia Life Alliance. She was telling the 621 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 3: AP how worried she was that, you know, there were 622 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 3: just going to be like streams of women coming across 623 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,239 Speaker 3: the border getting abortions, and I'm like, I love the 624 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 3: border of Georgia, of like, everybody's going to be coming 625 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 3: into our state to get surgical abortions, to get healthcare. 626 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 3: And her quote, she said, there's no right to privacy 627 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:55,479 Speaker 3: in the abortion process because there's another individual involved. It 628 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 3: goes back to protecting those who are the most vulnerable 629 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 3: and can't speak for themselves. And honestly, Samantha, it makes 630 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 3: me think of the headline this week about the UGA 631 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 3: player who was arrested for beating up his pregnant girlfriend. 632 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, he was. 633 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 3: He was only arrested because of you know, whatever physical 634 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 3: damage he might have inflicted on the fetus, not anything 635 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 3: he did to the living, breathing adult woman. And I mean, 636 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 3: that's a whole other conversation you and I could have 637 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 3: for three hours about the perception of just women themselves, 638 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 3: people who are giving abortions, themselves being pregnant. That person 639 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 3: is not who anyone is trying to protect, right obviously, 640 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,720 Speaker 3: I mean, look at the women who are dying, right. 641 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: That the fact that that's not even a factor in 642 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: this conversation, that they are not being looked at as 643 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: a part of society to care for at all. 644 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 2: To be to be protected. 645 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: We already know statistically pregnant women are the most vulnerable 646 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: to being murdered and abused by their partners. So it's 647 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: really really shocking, No, it's not. And I say that sarcastically, 648 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: that that they are so quick to ignore this and 649 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: the fact that people are going to use this, uh 650 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: and I mean people as in conservatives to be like see, 651 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: but it protects both of like this like rational, like 652 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: this is what you wanted, right to protect both of them. 653 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: And this is the fact that they are being pushed 654 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: into this headline and the conversation shouldn't be about abortion 655 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: in this conversation because this woman we don't know where 656 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: she is, we don't know who she is, we don't 657 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: know what she wants to do in her pregnancy, but 658 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: that is become the forefront of her like trauma, instead 659 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: of the fact that oh, I'm being abused by this man, 660 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: which happens a lot, which is already hard enough to prove, 661 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: which is usually not at all punished other than fines 662 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: in a slight probation. 663 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 2: Like it's just it's. 664 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: Everything in my social work brain wants to like crash 665 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: out over that kind of headline even more so Caroline, 666 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,720 Speaker 1: So I was making you listen to it TikTok because 667 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: you won't go on TikTok. 668 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 3: We just can you please people if you if there's 669 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 3: something on TikTok, you want me to see chess through 670 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 3: instag so that I can see it. 671 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 2: They do, they do well, but you don't. I don't. 672 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 2: I don't do either. 673 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 1: Actually, But anyway, So Jessica Valenti, who has become a 674 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: giant voice within the reproductive justice world, releasing a book 675 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: by the way, which I want to pick up. 676 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 2: I'm excited about. 677 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: But she was talking recently that she I don't get 678 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 1: on TV, so I don't watch ads if at all possible, 679 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: I have become that person. I'm like as are awful, 680 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: I said, ironically on a podcast that has a lot 681 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 1: of ads. 682 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 3: She loves ads. 683 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: Uh meal kids, Yes, it's been a minute for you anyway, 684 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: And I apologize to those who complained about the ads 685 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: is a lot. I know it's not our fault. But anyway, 686 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: moving on. So in this ad, the Susan B. Anthony 687 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: Foundation for Pro Life America decided to put out like 688 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: half a million dollars in this ad campaign, in which 689 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: they take the depths of these two young womens and 690 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: sated that it is because of the Democrats slash left 691 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: leading people who have catastrophicized and dramatized these bands into 692 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:34,240 Speaker 1: scaring women to dying, essentially that it is their fault 693 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: for making it too big of a deal. And then 694 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: they try to go in and say no. Ban says 695 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: that women cannot go for care if they're in danger, 696 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: in which my response was, these women went in for 697 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: care and the doctors refused. Yeah, because the Georgia state 698 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: laws are unclear, and they have already seen people being 699 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: prosecuted for just accidental miscarriages, right, so they already know 700 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: that there's a possibility they can be convicted if the 701 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: political system decides to turn it that way. Also, as 702 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:22,760 Speaker 1: well as the fact that right leaning medical staff feel 703 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: like they had the moral high ground to judge a 704 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 1: woman to be sentenced to death, and I'm putting that 705 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: in my own terms. 706 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 3: The Amber Thurman situation was horrifying to read about, just 707 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 3: like the layer upon layer of just absolutely subpar care 708 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 3: that she received. I mean, setting aside the fact that 709 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 3: they delayed the DNC because they, oh, we need to 710 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 3: make sure that it's okay, you know, then giving her 711 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,760 Speaker 3: the blood pressure medicine, and then that affected blood flowed 712 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 3: or the area where they would do surgery. It's a mess, 713 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 3: and it's it's a horrifying, horrifying tragic. I was going 714 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,760 Speaker 3: to say side effect of these laws, but it's something 715 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 3: more direct than a side effect. 716 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 2: I mean, it's definitely a result of, yeah, of these laws. 717 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: And we already know of the case of the woman 718 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: who went in had a miscarriage with an actual like 719 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 1: she was trying to get pride of that she was 720 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 1: trying to start her family, but had a miscarriage. 721 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 2: They refused to help her. 722 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: She went home, like to an unviable fetus, went home, 723 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: delivered this miscarriage, and then they charged her for murder, 724 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 1: even though it was proven that it was a miscarriage, like, 725 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 1: and they had to go through this whole thing. This 726 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: is a constant thing. This is not the only one 727 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,319 Speaker 1: case that we've seen. These are just one of the 728 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 1: many cases we've seen. The case with which the woman 729 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: got into a fight, got shot, her, lost the fetus, 730 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 1: and then she got charged with endangering the child. 731 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 2: Like. 732 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: This is that conversation, that bigger picture of what is happening. 733 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: Who's controlling this narrative and who is controlling fetuses and 734 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: uteruses essentially is what's going down. And the fact that 735 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:17,760 Speaker 1: they had the audacity to spend money to put onto 736 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: TV to be like a this is the leftists fault. 737 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 2: Don't blame us. 738 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: It's not because of a bad rule or the law 739 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 1: that we are literally forcing women to carry a pregnancy 740 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: to full term whether or not they want to or not, 741 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,439 Speaker 1: as well as not supporting them during or even after 742 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: the fact. Like, there's so much to this conversation that 743 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: it's like wow. But with all of that, we're here 744 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: today with China face. What's going down? I have a 745 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: feeling this is going to go up. This is going 746 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: to try to revamp this conversation, perhaps going back to 747 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. It's definitely going to be a conversation 748 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: with the elections to come. This has been a battleground 749 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: for a long time in the state of Georgia. So 750 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: we'll come back. I know, we'll talk about it again, 751 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 1: and maybe I can convince Caroline to come back with us. 752 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 3: Anytime. If I get to actually talk to you. 753 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:17,760 Speaker 2: I know I'm. 754 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: Excited, yes, and I know we have to wrap up. 755 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: So Caroline, thank you so much for joining us in 756 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: this kind of hard It is a very hard conversation. 757 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 3: It's just it's infuriating. It's it's worse than infuriating, and 758 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 3: it's discouraging to seek to see how successful the Conservatives 759 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 3: have been over the past fifty some odd years, ever 760 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 3: since Roe v. Wade first first happened. Yeah, it's discouraging 761 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 3: to see how effective their campaigns have been. 762 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 1: Right, So where can our listeners find you who are 763 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 1: not already following you? 764 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:54,919 Speaker 2: That'd be odd. 765 00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 3: Well, y'all. I'm posting gardening pictures on Instagram, yes, and 766 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 3: I am on threads, but like what a Hell'scape, I 767 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 3: recommend not doing anything over there but reading other people's stories. 768 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 3: So I just appreciate you inviting me on today, Samantha 769 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 3: to come and talk about the news. I don't really 770 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 3: get to do that as part of my day job anymore, 771 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 3: as you might imagine, so it's nice to talk about 772 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 3: important stuff. 773 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: I'm going to try to try to get you back 774 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: on for more stuff. You know, I'm going to make 775 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 1: this happen. The listeners know I got my ways. Thank 776 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 1: you so much, Harolin for joining us and if you 777 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 1: have anything that you want to add to this conversation. 778 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: You have information what's happening in your state, if you're 779 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: one of the states that has it in your ballot, 780 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: we would love to hit from you. You can email 781 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: us at stuff Media Mom, Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. 782 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 1: You can find us on Instagram and TikTok at stuff 783 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 1: Mom Never Told You. We have a book. Find it 784 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: anywhere that you buy your books. You know we love 785 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: a good independent bookstore. 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