1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:06,199 Speaker 1: AM paranormal podcast network. Now get ready for another episode 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: of Strange Things with Joshua P. Warren. Welcome to our podcast. 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: Please be aware of the thoughts and opinions expressed by 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: the host are their thoughts and opinions only and do 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: not reflect those of I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage you to 9 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: do your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 10 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: You're ready. I don't w weird, this is strange Thing. 11 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: I am Joshua Fie Warren and East. Week on this show, 12 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: I'll be bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news, exercises, 13 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: and weird experiments you can do at home, and a 14 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: lot more on this edition of the show, The Strange 15 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: and Twisted History of Money. Do you realize that money 16 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: is really a magical construct? The story of money is 17 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 1: really strange, and it demonstrates a lot about the mind, 18 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: body environment relationship, this big psychological system we have created. 19 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: And I want to give you an insightful summary of 20 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: the history of money, how it relates to the mind 21 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: and to magic and what we can learn from that. 22 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: It's just a great story that exemplifies so much about 23 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: manifestation and how we envisioned things in our heads that 24 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: may actually appear differently than physical, tangible reality. Speaking of money, 25 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: before I get to that, you know, if you heard 26 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: the last show that I had a one hundred thousand 27 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: dollar bet on the line with Tom Vrillock, I challenged 28 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: Tom Vrillock to a wizard off and the last show. Now, 29 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: Tom Vrilock is a really good friend and uh so, 30 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: and he's he's a magician, okay, he he practices psionics. 31 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: He invented the miraculous prayerboard, and Tom real Lock he 32 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: is into all kinds of manifestation work. And so I 33 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: thought it would be fun, since I'm here in Las Vegas, 34 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: for us to have a friendly, you know, gentleman's bet 35 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: where I say, okay, let me go to a casino 36 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: here in Vegas and I'll go up to a roulette 37 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: will and we'll spin the wheel one time. Okay. He's 38 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: in California. He was was not with me, but Lauren 39 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: and I you know, we went and I said I'll 40 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: spend the will one time and on a roulette whell 41 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: here in America. It's a little bit different in other countries, 42 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:45,279 Speaker 1: but an American roulette will traditionally usually has thirty eight spaces. 43 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: There are eighteen red spaces, and there are eighteen black spaces, 44 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: and there are two green spaces. And so if you 45 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: bet on red or black, then you have almost a 46 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: fifty fifty chance that you are going to hit one 47 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: of those and then you double your money. But I 48 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: told Tom, hey, I am going to use my magic 49 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: and I am going to make that ball land on red. 50 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: And Tom, I want you to use your magic and 51 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: you make that ball land on black, and whoever wins 52 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: receives one hundred thousand dollars from the other person. And 53 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: so Tom said, let's do this. Said okay, all right, 54 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: it's all So Lauren and I went to the casino. 55 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: I called Tom and I told him, all right, I'm 56 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: at the casino. I said, I'm gonna be at the 57 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: roulette will at a certain time, you know. So we 58 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: were all coordinated here. So at that exact time, I 59 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: walked up to the will. Now there were several other 60 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: people playing there, and I have played the roulette will. 61 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, thousands of times in my life. So 62 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: I walked up. I put down my bet, because you 63 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: have to bet something. I don't want to say how 64 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: much I bet just to do the thing, but I 65 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: just I put a bet down and I put it 66 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: on red because I knew I was gonna make a 67 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: hit red, right. And I'm telling you, the strangest thing happened. 68 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,559 Speaker 1: I've never seen this happen before. I'm not even sure 69 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: what happened to this day. So the I believe they're 70 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: called the croupier. That the person there who spends the wheel, 71 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: she spun the wheel, she tossed the ball onto it. 72 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: The ball goes bouncing around. I was not and I 73 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: was intentionally not looking at the wheel. I was looking 74 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: off into the distance and I was in the zone, 75 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: like I wasn't even thinking directly about the will and 76 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: the ball like starts bouncing around, bouncing around, and then 77 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: I hear it settle somewhere, and I'm waiting to hear 78 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: that sound you get from the crowd, like, and the 79 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: woman who spun the wheel, she goes, oh, sorry about that, 80 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: And I was like what, And I turned around and 81 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: she had plucked the ball and spun the wheel again, 82 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: like the ball had gotten jammed or something weird like that. 83 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: I've never ever ever seen that happen before. I'm not 84 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: even sure if it's legal to do that without having 85 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: everybody reset their bets. I've just never seen that. So 86 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: right off the battle was like what is going on here? 87 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: So anyway, she spends the wheel again. I hear the 88 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: ball bouncing around, bouncing around, bouncing, and then finally it 89 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: lands and I look over, what do you think it was? 90 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: Why do you think it was? It landed on green? 91 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: I swear to you hand on a stack of Bibles again, 92 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: there are eighteen red spaces, eighteen black spaces, and two 93 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: green spaces. I wanted it to be read. Tom wanted 94 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: it to be black, and it landed on green. Do 95 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: you know what the chances of that are? On that 96 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: one spin? I mean I I walked away from that 97 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: and I said to Lauren, like, could you believe that? 98 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: Like I just I was speechless for a while. I mean, 99 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: it's like I can't even wrap my head. Tom and 100 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: I were were definitely um focusing our our energy, you know, 101 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: our forces together on that will at that time, and 102 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: it became a draw you know, neither one of us won, 103 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: so I I let Tom know what had happened, and 104 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: he was laughing and we were like, okay, that's fine. 105 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: We both actually were kind of happy about it because 106 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: I don't think either one of us really wanted to 107 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: have to give up a hundred grand, you know, just 108 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: in case, you know, So we were both kind of 109 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: relieved and we're like, that was a great experiment. That 110 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: was a great experiment, and um, so there you have it. 111 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend, Mr Tom Brilock for participating in 112 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: that gentleman's bet. And I know some of you listening 113 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: are probably saying like, oh, come on, Josh, you're just 114 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: making this up so that you know, you and Tom 115 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: can get along. And I'm telling you know, I swear 116 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: to you that's how it happened. One spin and it 117 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: hit green, So that was something magical was happening. And uh, 118 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: I do intend to maybe do some more experiments along 119 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: those lines with Mr Brailock, but perhaps we'll keep them private. 120 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I'll let you in on it. 121 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: So anyway, that's what happen with the wizard off. It 122 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: was a draw that night at the Roulette Whell Our 123 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: Powers were matched, but I think some kind of telekinetic 124 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: burst was let loose and uh and definitely did something 125 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: to that ball. Speaking of money altogether, though, Okay, I 126 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: want to share with you what I think is the 127 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: fascinating story of the history of money. I bought this book. 128 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: It's called The Chaos Protocols. The Chaos Protocols and listen 129 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: to the subtitle of this book, Magical Techniques for Navigating 130 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: the New Economic Reality by Gordon White. Gordon White, and 131 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: the back of the book says magic, power, money and 132 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: meaning in a world on the brink. The back of 133 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: the book text says, the years since the financial crash 134 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: have seen the realization dawn that the great promise of 135 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: my e civilization will go unfulfilled. Study hard, work hard 136 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: by a house, retire happy. It's all a lie spun 137 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: for the benefit of a tiny elite. The richest eighty 138 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: five people on Earth have as much wealth as the 139 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: poorest three point five billion. Each month, the numbers change, 140 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: but they never improve. Magical and spiritual discourse has failed 141 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: to keep up with this new reality. The Chaos Protocols 142 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: aims to fix that. Join Gordon White as he shows 143 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: you how to use Chaos Magic not only to navigate 144 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: these trying times, but to triumph as well. Discover how 145 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: to become invincible through initiation and wage the mind war 146 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: that will keep you moving towards what you really want. 147 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: From sigil magic to working with spiritual allies. The Chaos 148 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: Protocols helps you act on the unwavering belief that your 149 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: life should matter and you're not going to let something 150 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: as trifling as the apocalypse get in the way of it. 151 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: And my understanding here is that Gordon White is based 152 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 1: in the UK. His website is run Soup. 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Welcome 227 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: back to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio and 228 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast a m paranormal podcast network. I am 229 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: your host, the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P. Warren. And 230 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: you know, my late great friend Jim Mars wrote a 231 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: wonderful book called Rule by Secrecy, and in that book 232 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: he told the story of how money developed. And I 233 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: was always fascinated by how he wrote it, and it 234 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: reminded me a lot of that when I started reading 235 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: this book, The Chaos Protocols by Gordon White. This book 236 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: was published in and it's kind of it makes you 237 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: think of like what it would be like if a 238 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: finance year or a stockbroker was a chaos magician and 239 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: started like explaining money in in in magical terms. But 240 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: this book goes into all I mean, this is a 241 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: deep book. This book gets into all kinds of ritualistic magic. 242 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: And there's a whole section on sigils um. I mean, yeah, 243 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: this is this is not a beginner's guide in my opinion, 244 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: and I contacted Gordon White and said, I would like 245 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: to read like seven or eight pages of your book 246 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: on my show. Pretty significant excerpt here, Um, is that 247 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: okay with you? And he was great, he wrote me back, 248 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: he said, yeah, go for it. So that's what I 249 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: am about to do. Hopefully I'll have enough time to 250 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: do this. And again, his his website is rune soup 251 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: dot com. And I'll tell you a couple of things. 252 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: If you're listening to the show and you're kind of distracted, 253 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: then some of this may not quite make sense to you, 254 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: Like you might zone out a little bit, because again 255 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: we're this some of this is kind of complex finance stuff. 256 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: And also because he is UK based, Um, you sometimes 257 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: the way he phrases things may sound a bit odd, 258 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: you know, because he might be using the language in 259 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: a slightly different way than you're used to hearing it. 260 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: If you're like me, I'm an American, So just keep 261 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: those things in mind. But that said, let's jump right 262 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 1: into this excerpt from The Chaos Protocols about the story 263 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: of money. From the beginning of Western civilization right up 264 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: until the end of the seventeenth century, money and wealth 265 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: were more or less the same thing. You could exchange 266 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: your gold and silver for other items of wealth cattle, property, cinnamon, 267 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: other humans, and so on. If you did not exchange 268 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: your gold or silver for these items, then you still 269 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: retained your wealth, the gold and silver and your currency. 270 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: Even in a barter system, you are effectively swapping one 271 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: store of wealth for another, two goats for your camel, 272 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: for instance. Now, certainly there was lending and credit before 273 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: this date, but wealth for wealth was largely how money worked. 274 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: The very idea that pieces of paper held value seemed alien. 275 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: In fact, legendary explorer Marco Polo could not quite believe 276 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: it when he encountered an early currency on his adventures. 277 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: He wrote in his diary about the peculiar monetary experiment 278 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: of the Great Can And let me pause here for 279 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: a secon it now, just in case you need a refresher, 280 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: Who's Marco Polo? Will Marco Polo? He was born in 281 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: the year twelve fifty four and he died in the 282 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: year thirteen twenty four, so he was sixty nine years old. 283 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: And here's what Wikipedia says. He was a Venetian merchant, explorer, 284 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: and writer who traveled through Asia along the Silk Road 285 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: between twelve seventy one and twelve. His travels are recorded 286 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,239 Speaker 1: in a book called The Travels of Marco Polo. This 287 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: is a book that described to Europeans the then mysterious 288 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: culture and inner workings of the Eastern world, including the 289 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: wealth and great size of the Mongol Empire and China 290 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: and the Wan dynasty, giving their first comprehensive look into China, Persia, India, Japan, 291 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: and other Asian cities and countries. Okay, so that's this 292 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: is how far we're going back here, just in case 293 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: you needed that. So here's what Arco Polo wrote way 294 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: back then. He's talking about what he's seeing in China 295 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: regarding the emperor. They're the Great Khan, he wrote. He 296 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: makes them take the bark of a certain tree, in fact, 297 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: of the mulberry tree, the leaves of which are the 298 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: food of the silkworms, these trees being so numerous, the 299 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: whole districts are full of them. What they take is 300 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: a certain fine white bark or skin, which lies between 301 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: the wood of the tree and the thick outer bark, 302 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: and this they make into something resembling sheets of paper, 303 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: but black. When these sheets have been prepared they are 304 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: cut up into pieces of different sizes. The smallest of 305 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: these sizes is worth a half tornsul, the next a 306 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: little larger, one torn soul. One a little larger still 307 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: is worth half a silver groat of venice, another a 308 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: whole groat, others yet to groats, five groats, and ten groats. 309 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: There is also a kind worth one bazant of gold, 310 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: and others of three bisons, and so up to tin. 311 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: All these pieces of paper are issued with as much 312 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: solemnity and authority as if they were pure gold or silver. 313 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 1: And on every piece a variety of officials whose duty 314 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: it is have to write their names and to put 315 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: their seals. And when all is prepared duly, the chief 316 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: officer deputed by the Khan smears the seal entrusted to 317 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,239 Speaker 1: him with vermilion and impresses it on the paper, so 318 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: that the form of the seal remains printed upon it 319 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: and read. The money is then authentic. Anyone forging it 320 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: would be punished with death. And the con causes every 321 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: year to be made such a vast quantity of this money, 322 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: which costs him nothing, that it must equal in amount 323 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: all the treasure in the world. With these pieces of 324 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: paper made as I have described, he causes all payments 325 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: on his own account to be made, and he makes 326 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: them to pass current universally over all his kingdoms and 327 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: provinces and territories, and whithersoever his power and sovereignty extends, 328 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: and nobody, however important he may think himself, dares to 329 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: refuse them on pain of death. How's that for an 330 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: excerpt about what we now call fiat currency. Piece of paper? 331 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: What's it worth? Really? How about a digit on a 332 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: computer screen? What's up anyway? Let's get back to what 333 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: he wrote, described by Marco Polo fiat currency. Really, he 334 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: does sound a bit preposterous, like one of those meandering 335 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 1: thought experiments you and your buddies came up with one 336 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: night while stoned in college. But a straight thiat currency 337 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: is not quite the system we have today. If anything, 338 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: ours is even stranger. Ours really begins towards the end 339 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: of the seventeenth century in the heart of London and 340 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: in Europe's Low countries, goldsmiths and jewelers would store deposits 341 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: of their customer's wealth in their vaults and issued them 342 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: receipts for the stored value. These receipts began to be 343 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: swapped and traded as a more convenient method of paying, 344 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: then taking the receipt back to the vault, extracting your gold, 345 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: and paying with that. What quickly became apparent to these 346 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: vault owners was that only a small fraction of depositors 347 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: ever came back to extract their gold, and so, for 348 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: better or worse, they began issuing more receipts than they 349 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: had gold in the vaults. The vault owners could either 350 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: spend these receipts or loan them out to individuals or businesses. 351 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: The profits from the interest on these loans was substantial. 352 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: From this point, the final step was inevitable. These vault 353 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: owners could make much more money from lending against these 354 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: receipts than they could in charging vault fees, so they 355 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: began paying people and businesses to store their wealth, which 356 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: is how we ended up with interest interest bearing savings accounts, 357 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: and so taken together, what we know of as fractional 358 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: reserve banking was born. You put one hundred gold coins 359 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: in a vault, and they hand out receipts for eight 360 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: hundred gold coins. The system compounds again if these receipts 361 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: are deposited in another bank who keeps only a small 362 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: fraction of the receipts and lends the rest of them out, 363 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: while saying they still have the initial deposit. In fact, 364 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: this process of depositing and redepositing receipts, which are also 365 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: lent back out, accounts for more than of all the 366 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: money and the global economy today. When you take out 367 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: a loan, you literally debt money into existence. It would 368 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: only be a matter of time before this highly successful, 369 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: legally dubious but essentially private practice was taken up by 370 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: kings and governments. In the sixty nineties, to pay for 371 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: their increasingly expensive continental wars, the newly created and technically 372 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: privately owned Bank of England began issuing bank notes as 373 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: legal tender. These were effectively io use for a portion 374 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: of the physical wealth stored at the bank's home on 375 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: Walbrook and the City, which by the way, was built 376 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: on the remains of an old temple to Mithross, the 377 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: god of contract. In theory, you could front up to 378 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: the Bank of England with your bank notes and exchange 379 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: them for the wealth stored within. Over the next two centuries, 380 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: this really was more theoried. In fact, notes continued to 381 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: be printed even when the gold was being spent on wars. 382 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: Laws were even enacted to prevent the bank from paying 383 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: out gold. Where once we used to pay for things 384 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: with little pieces of wealth, well we began to pay 385 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: for things with little pieces of debt and the forms 386 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: of I O use, And there were a lot more 387 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,719 Speaker 1: I O use than there was gold and the vault. 388 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break when we come back. I 389 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: think you see where this is going. What is this, 390 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: this magical, mysterious manifestation called money. I'm Joshua pe Warren. 391 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: You're listening to strange things on the I Heart Radio 392 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: and Coastal code. Stay in the normal podcast network and 393 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: I'll be right back after this. 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Warren, 434 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: and this is the show where the unusual becomes usual, 435 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: and I'm telling you about the strange story the Strange 436 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: History of Money. Reading excerpts from this book here The 437 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: Chaos Protocols by Gordon White, and I was saying before 438 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: the break that there were a lot more I O 439 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: U s than there was gold in the vault. The 440 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: book goes on to say this increased the money supply 441 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: relative to the actual amount of wealth in the economy 442 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: and moved control of the money supply from the market 443 00:31:53,680 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: to the government. Monetary policy became intertwined with the functioning 444 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: of the imperial state. Modern inflation was born to give 445 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: credit where credit is due. The central banking model was 446 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: hugely successful. Britain raised a national debt, crushed her enemies, 447 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: and built the greatest empire the world ever knew. The 448 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: policy continues to this day in the form of America's 449 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: numerous oil wars. Catherine Austin Fitz, former Undersecretary of Housing 450 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: and Urban Development, refers to this as quote the central 451 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: banking and warfare model. In quote, you invade a country 452 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: and force it to accept your printed currency in exchange 453 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: for its natural resources, leaving the victor with the harvested wealth, 454 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: as well as complete control over the value of the 455 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: I O U s, which are now stronger thanks to 456 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: the resources you have just extracted. Since Nixon left off office, 457 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: the largest foreign buyers of US bonds tend to be 458 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: banks and countries that we have effectively occupied militarily. Nice 459 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: work if you can get it, just as the Royal 460 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: Navy did before it in India and the Caribbean. So 461 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: the US military and its NATO allies due today in Eurasia. 462 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: A secondary hit on the status of money as well 463 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: happened in the twentieth century with the complete and abandonment 464 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: of the gold standard. The story of the secondary hit 465 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: begins in nineteen thirteen and ends in nineteen seventy one. 466 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: When the Federal Reserve was first created, it kept to 467 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: the monetary best practice that had been so successful in 468 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: Central Europe, known as the classical gold standard. If you 469 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: look at dollars printed prior to the First World War, 470 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: you will see it clearly written on a twenty dollar 471 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: note that it can be exchanged for twenty dollars of 472 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: physical gold. This redemption facility was suspended during the war, 473 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: as the quote civilized countries paid for killing people in 474 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: other civilized countries by printing more and more currency. Government's 475 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: also learned that they could mobilize the entire financial wealth 476 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: of countries toward political ends through huge spending projects that 477 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: were funded with dramatic increases in taxation. In between the wars, 478 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: the classical gold standard was replaced with what is known 479 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 1: as the gold exchange standard in the US. That meant 480 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: that the Federal Reserve could print fifty dollars for every 481 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: twenty dollars of gold that it had and its vaults. 482 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 1: That's a reserve ratio. Even this was to last. After 483 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: the end of World War Two, Europe was flooded with 484 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: US dollars and completely out of gold. In fact, the 485 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: US had two thirds of all declared gold in the 486 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: world at that point, in Europe had almost none. The 487 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: Breton Woods Agreement was quickly signed. Given that the world 488 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: was already awash with dollars, which were ultimately convertible into gold. 489 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: It was agreed that almost every currency in the world 490 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: would be backed by US dollars, which themselves would be 491 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: backed by gold. However, no reserve percentage was included in 492 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: the agreement, as there had been between the Wars. The 493 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: Federal Reserve was free to print as many dollars as 494 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: it pleased, figuring, just like those jewelers in London centuries 495 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: before that, not everyone in the world would wish to 496 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: call in all their dollars for gold at one time. 497 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: Over in France, Charles de Gaul soon realized there were 498 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: too many dollars or quote receipts for gold stored in 499 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: the US compared to the amount of gold actually stored, 500 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: so he asked for France's gold back. Almost immediately, other 501 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: countries started asking for their gold back. The US lost 502 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: fifty percent of its gold from nineteen fifty nine to 503 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one, but even then there were still twelve 504 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: times the amount of dollars out there. Then there was 505 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: gold to back it up. Enter Nixon. He abandoned the 506 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:53,720 Speaker 1: gold standard and instituted the dollar standard, thus detaching every 507 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: single currency in the world from any underlying relationship to 508 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: physical wealth. The value of the currency became an expression 509 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: of confidence and the government that issued it. Nixon's main 510 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: reason for abandoning the gold standard was due to his 511 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: and his advisers misunderstanding of the so called balance of trade, 512 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: which is whether a country exports more than imports. Having 513 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: the dollar peg to gold meant that competing exporter countries 514 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 1: such as Germany and Japan could lower their currency value 515 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: in a way the US could not, giving them a 516 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: perceived advantage. This is an unfortunate misunderstanding of American history. 517 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: The reality is that trade deficits or surpluses do not 518 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: really reflect much about underlying economic health. The United States 519 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: has run a trade deficit for three hundred and fifty 520 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: of the last four hundred year years, during which time 521 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: it has risen to become the largest and most successful 522 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:12,720 Speaker 1: economy in history. People in other countries want to sell Americans. 523 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: UH want to sell to Americans because the nation's economy 524 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: is large and successful. Transactions do not take place between countries, 525 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 1: but between people. If I sell you a pencil, you 526 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: are in a trade deficit to me because I have 527 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: your money, but you now have a pencil, So go 528 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: and write a best seller. America's historic trade deficit is 529 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 1: a reflection of the same phenomenon on a much larger scale. 530 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 1: Until nineteen seventy one, the value of the dollar was 531 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: pegged to a fixed amount of precious metal, just as 532 00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: it was at the beginning a fractional reserve banking. When 533 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:07,800 Speaker 1: the famous voodooist Marie Levau and her daughter were alive 534 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: in the nineteenth century. A dollar was either made with 535 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: a guaranteed amount of silver or was convertible into a 536 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:22,720 Speaker 1: specified amount. This fixed the value of a dollar into 537 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: something real. So if either Laveau senior or junior had 538 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: used the customary folk magical practice of putting a dollar 539 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,280 Speaker 1: under a candle, well, she would have been growing wealth 540 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: from a fixed amount. If you have tried this same 541 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: piece of folk magic anytime after nineteen seventy one, then 542 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: you're doing the opposite. In today's money, you need almost 543 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: five dollars and seventy eight cents to buy the equivalent 544 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 1: of what a dollar could buy you in nineteen seventy one. 545 00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: Such a magical act encodes an erosion of wealth rather 546 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: than an accumulation. The atom at the heart of your 547 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: financial universe is no longer a reliable unit of wealth, 548 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,879 Speaker 1: and it does not exist for your benefit. Savings are 549 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: certainly better than no savings, but until they are converted 550 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 1: back from io us into wealth, their face value is 551 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 1: just not what it appears. And this is before we 552 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: even consider the rise of a global digital currency looming 553 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: in the medium term. Even as the Western world flirts 554 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 1: with the possibility of mild deflation. It is worth remembering 555 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: that since the creation of the Federal Reserve and nineteen thirteen, 556 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: the buying power of a single US dollar has declined 557 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 1: by ninety five percent. It is a dodgy, imperfect indicator 558 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: of what we value, but it is what we have, 559 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:04,720 Speaker 1: so we must understand it if we are to use it. Effectively. Alright, 560 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: that is the end of what I'm going to read 561 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 1: to you from this book, The Chaos Protocols Magical Techniques 562 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: for Navigating the New Economic Reality. Thank you Gordon White 563 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 1: for allowing me to read that. And again, his website 564 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: is Rune soup dot com. Are you in E S 565 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: O U P. Rune soup dot com. Does that give 566 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: you an idea? I mean, some of you listen to 567 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: this show and you're like, oh, yeah, I think about 568 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,919 Speaker 1: this all the time, I know how, But others don't 569 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,359 Speaker 1: really ever stop and say, well, what is this thing 570 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: called money that we we place value on to such 571 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: an extent You can go and get real things, a 572 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: real house, a real car, real food. But why are 573 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: we basing all this on? It's based upon an energy 574 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: which is based up all of thought form and it 575 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:08,319 Speaker 1: is really proof that the world is glued together by 576 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: magic and magical thinking. Have you ever thought of it 577 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: that way? The world is glued together by magic and 578 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:19,800 Speaker 1: magical thinking. We have to take a break here and 579 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: when we come back, I have something really interesting to 580 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: read to you about what people believe these days, and 581 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: also something very weird that happens in my life all 582 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: the time. That shows me just how connected that we 583 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: all are. Does this happen to you, We'll see. 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Just go to 619 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast d M dot com, click the emerging 620 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 1: Artists banner in the carousel, follow the instructions and we 621 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,480 Speaker 1: just might play your music on the air. Go now 622 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: to Coast to coast am dot com to send us 623 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: your recording. That's Coast to Coast am dot com. Welcome 624 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 1: back to the final segment of this edition of Strange 625 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,800 Speaker 1: Things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, 626 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: a m paranormal podcast network. I am your host, Joshua 627 00:45:55,120 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 1: pe Warren. And in this book The Chaos Protocol by 628 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 1: Gordon White, there's a really interesting quote. I think you 629 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 1: might appreciate this if you think about it for a second. 630 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,880 Speaker 1: It's a quote by somebody named Peter J. Carroll. And uh, 631 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: here's the quote. Magic works in practice, but not in theory. 632 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 1: Magic works in practice, but not in theory. Of course 633 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,320 Speaker 1: I disagree with that. I think it works in theory also, 634 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,280 Speaker 1: But but that is a is a very good point. 635 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 1: What I glean from that is you don't have to 636 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 1: understand how everything works. Uh. Sometimes things just work and 637 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: you say, Okay, that's all I that's all all I 638 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: needed to do, get it done. Whatever works. That's actually 639 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 1: the quote at the start of a chapter called wish 640 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,399 Speaker 1: granting squiggles, which gets into sigils in this book. So 641 00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 1: pretty cool book. Again, it's uh, it's it's out of deep. 642 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,359 Speaker 1: It's kind of deep, but when you think about this 643 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:11,719 Speaker 1: concept of money being this really intangible thing that literally 644 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 1: makes the world go around. Boy, is that an expression 645 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 1: of magic or what? You know? It would be one 646 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: thing if we all just martyred commodities, you know, physical 647 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,360 Speaker 1: things that you needed for physical life, shelter and food 648 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,320 Speaker 1: and water, it said, I mean, I mean that would 649 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,920 Speaker 1: that would make sense. But now we we have all 650 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:37,000 Speaker 1: these intangible things, and uh, it said, it's sort of 651 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,480 Speaker 1: like how what is the song worth? What is a 652 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 1: what is this podcast worth? What is a painting worth? 653 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:51,360 Speaker 1: You know what? But anyway, we are all connected to 654 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 1: the world in ways that are so mysterious because sometimes 655 00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,960 Speaker 1: you think you just get little glimpses of it. And 656 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,759 Speaker 1: I want to tell you about something thing weird that 657 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 1: happens to me and Lauren, my wife, all the time. 658 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 1: And I've never heard anybody talk about this before. I 659 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,880 Speaker 1: doubt surely I can't be the first one. You never know. 660 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 1: But living here in Las Vegas, you know, you have 661 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,279 Speaker 1: these big, big parking lots. I mean we're out here 662 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 1: in the desert. There's lots of space once you get 663 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,399 Speaker 1: away from the crunch of the strip. I mean, there's 664 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,080 Speaker 1: a lot of space so you go to a grocery store, 665 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: there's a big parking lot. You go to a casino, 666 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:35,480 Speaker 1: there's a big parking lot. And what we find on 667 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:44,520 Speaker 1: almost a daily basis is that when we leave whatever 668 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: establishments and we go back to our car, the people 669 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,720 Speaker 1: part next to us are also going back to their car. 670 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,200 Speaker 1: So you could have a parking lot that seems to 671 00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,920 Speaker 1: go on for acres and acres. Okay, but right when 672 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 1: we go to get in our car, the people in 673 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,480 Speaker 1: the car next to us are doing the same thing, 674 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,319 Speaker 1: and so now we're like one of us has to 675 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 1: wait for the other, you know, to open the door 676 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,719 Speaker 1: and to get in around it happens so much that 677 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,560 Speaker 1: I mean I started taking note like are we are 678 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:22,800 Speaker 1: we manifesting this because it's frustrating or is there something 679 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,640 Speaker 1: else weird going on? I Am not sure what to 680 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,719 Speaker 1: make of this kind of a synchronicity, but I think 681 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 1: step number one is asking all of you if you 682 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,680 Speaker 1: experience something like this, you know, and do you have 683 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,160 Speaker 1: this Truman Show kind of situation happening where it seems 684 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:46,439 Speaker 1: like the world is happening around your perception something else 685 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,680 Speaker 1: that's kind of odd about our connection, you know? But 686 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,799 Speaker 1: just the mind body environment connection is that. You know, 687 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,960 Speaker 1: Lauren and I were recently at Laguna Beach in California 688 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:05,840 Speaker 1: and they have big, epic, beautiful crashing waves there. And 689 00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,760 Speaker 1: Lauren and I love to go to to whatever beach 690 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,160 Speaker 1: and whenever we're the beach and they have these big, 691 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,080 Speaker 1: giant crashing waves. Well, Lauren is a wonderful photographer, and 692 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,480 Speaker 1: so she wants to get one of those dramatic, dynamic 693 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,920 Speaker 1: shots of one of these waves. And as as soon 694 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,480 Speaker 1: as she takes her camera out, whether it's a camera 695 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,480 Speaker 1: or her phone or whatever, because she wants to get 696 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,400 Speaker 1: a picture of one of these big waves, the ocean 697 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:41,839 Speaker 1: calms down instantly, the ocean. It's so frustrating for her. 698 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,560 Speaker 1: It somehow reminds me of that story when you know, 699 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:54,960 Speaker 1: Jesus calmed the stormy seas, uh, and she wants it 700 00:50:55,080 --> 00:51:00,440 Speaker 1: to be a big, raging, frothy wave raw hang in 701 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,960 Speaker 1: but no, as soon as she decides to photograph it 702 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,640 Speaker 1: calms down, calms down. Is that something similar to cloud busting? 703 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,360 Speaker 1: You know? Because what is a cloud? What a cloud 704 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,719 Speaker 1: is just a big hovering bit of moistures in it. 705 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:20,560 Speaker 1: So it makes you wonder about um the relationship between 706 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,320 Speaker 1: us and the world around us, doesn't it. And also 707 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:31,760 Speaker 1: just how physical these interactions are. Perhaps you saw this story. 708 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,120 Speaker 1: It came out recently. You know, all these uh, especially 709 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,440 Speaker 1: rich people, they get out and they race pigeons, they 710 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,160 Speaker 1: take homing pigeons, and these pigeons can fly so well 711 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,640 Speaker 1: over a thousand miles, you know. So you you, you 712 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:52,279 Speaker 1: let loose a bunch of pigeons and uh, they have 713 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,000 Speaker 1: a tag, and then you win a bunch of money 714 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,719 Speaker 1: if your pigeon is the first one to win the race. 715 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:04,000 Speaker 1: And these pigeons are, you know, fantastic at finding the 716 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,760 Speaker 1: location they're supposed to go to. They're so adept that 717 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,960 Speaker 1: they have even been used in wars to pass messages 718 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:18,439 Speaker 1: to troops and whatnot. And yet just recently, one day, 719 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:24,440 Speaker 1: thousands of racing pigeons were released in the United Kingdom, 720 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:32,520 Speaker 1: and like ten thousand of them just disappeared. I mean 721 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:37,880 Speaker 1: thousands of these things. A huge chunk of these pigeons disappeared. 722 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,280 Speaker 1: They say, okay, let's see here, I'm looking at the article. 723 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:48,000 Speaker 1: Approximately two hundred and fifty thousand birds were released. Oh boy, 724 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:52,040 Speaker 1: it's even more vantage they said, only a fraction, only 725 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:58,880 Speaker 1: a fraction of two fifty thousand birds returned, and nobody 726 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:03,000 Speaker 1: knows exactly what I I mean. Some people are saying, 727 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,799 Speaker 1: like what what? For example, I mean, they have people 728 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,839 Speaker 1: who obviously are they're they're betting on this, so they 729 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,040 Speaker 1: know all the little tricks of the trade, and they're 730 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,000 Speaker 1: always looking at the weather and stuff, and they say 731 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,560 Speaker 1: that there's nothing in the weather that seems to give 732 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,479 Speaker 1: us a clue. But other people are believing that maybe 733 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,799 Speaker 1: it has something to do with a solar storm that 734 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:27,160 Speaker 1: that disrupted things. But something sure did. We're not certain 735 00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:32,880 Speaker 1: how these humming pigeons home. Is that a warning sign? 736 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,000 Speaker 1: Is that an omen that something is changing here on 737 00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:45,080 Speaker 1: earth that is is not good or makes you wonder 738 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,600 Speaker 1: if there's something else up in the sky that might 739 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:53,560 Speaker 1: sometimes mess with these birds. For example, here's a pole 740 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,799 Speaker 1: that came out recently conducted by Pew Research that is 741 00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:02,680 Speaker 1: a a non partisant tank in Washington, d c. And 742 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:08,920 Speaker 1: they concluded that sixty five percent of Americans believe in 743 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:16,880 Speaker 1: aliens sixtent. It's hard to find sixty of Americans that 744 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:22,960 Speaker 1: agree on anything. Um So anyway, it goes on to 745 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:30,120 Speaker 1: say in this particular article about sixty of respondents said 746 00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:34,239 Speaker 1: they think there is intelligent alien life on planets other 747 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:40,000 Speaker 1: than Earth, and about eighty seven percent said UFOs are 748 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:44,920 Speaker 1: not a security threat to the US at all or 749 00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 1: only represent a minor one. According to the poll, twelve 750 00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:54,719 Speaker 1: percent of Americans American adults had heard or read a 751 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,000 Speaker 1: lot about this new UFO report before it's release. That 752 00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:02,560 Speaker 1: seems like a small amount. Uh, And so they have 753 00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,440 Speaker 1: what they call here the bottom line. They say, in 754 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,040 Speaker 1: all likelihood, evidence of alien life won't come in the 755 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,800 Speaker 1: form of a grainy video taken high above an ocean, 756 00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:15,120 Speaker 1: but will instead be the discovery of tiny fossilized microbes 757 00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,719 Speaker 1: on Mars or some other little creature swimming through an 758 00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,919 Speaker 1: ocean engulfing a distant moon. Well, I certainly agree that 759 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,880 Speaker 1: that is the first way we're gonna hear about it. 760 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,320 Speaker 1: I don't think if they have aliens in a freezer, 761 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,759 Speaker 1: they're gonna pop up and show those two us anytime soon. 762 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,719 Speaker 1: But there will come a point when they introduce us 763 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:42,439 Speaker 1: to the concept of aliens. Uh, microscopically, that's on the way. Well, 764 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,719 Speaker 1: my friends, uh, we are growing short on time, and 765 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,120 Speaker 1: so yes, it's time for you to take advantage of 766 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,160 Speaker 1: the good Fortune Tone and make sure that your next 767 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,960 Speaker 1: week is as lucky as can be. So what I 768 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,320 Speaker 1: want you to do is, if you can close your eyes, 769 00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,800 Speaker 1: take some deep breaths re acts. If you have some water, 770 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,839 Speaker 1: maybe put it near the speaker and then you can 771 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,200 Speaker 1: drink the water later. You know, you can charge it up. 772 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,280 Speaker 1: But here you go. Here is the good Fortune Ton. 773 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,440 Speaker 1: That's it for this edition of the show. 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