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We've had quite a week of football. 17 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: Mike Silver recently, Dave wanst at Mary Kay Cabot in Cleveland. 18 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: We love football first though. I was thinking about this 19 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: so there was a story out yesterday that Kevin Durant 20 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: and the Nets are going to work things out. Now. 21 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: A lot of it is Kevin Durant doesn't have any leverage. 22 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: He's got four years left in his contract, and the 23 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: really good franchises aren't willing to gut their entire franchise 24 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: and forego their future for a guy that leaves a 25 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: lot and is never happy Kevin Durant. But you know, 26 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: if he was able to leave, it would actually for 27 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: sports fans set a lousy precedent. Let me give you 28 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: an example. In the seventies, maybe the eighties, you hear 29 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: a story about these rock bands trashing hotel rooms. Keith 30 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: Richards of the Rolling Stones, throwing you know, a TV 31 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: off a balcony, Keith Moon drummer for the who Wants, 32 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: used to dynamite to blow up a toilet, Led Zeppelin. 33 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: Things I can't repeat here on the podcast. I guess 34 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: I could, I don't want to. And they were sort 35 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: of immortalized because of this activity. But what about the 36 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: people who had to clean up their mess? Can you 37 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: imagine being the hotel manager or you know, crews who 38 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: clean up hotel rooms. You know, for them, it's not 39 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: really that legendary. It's irresponsible and reckless and careless and 40 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: so Kevin Durant leaves Brooklyn. Everybody's excited. He's a Milwaukee Buck, 41 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: he's a Boston Celtic. But do we really want our 42 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: NBA players bouncing around the league leaving with four years 43 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: left on their contracts? Say what you want about Lebron. 44 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: Lebron goes somewhere and doesn't leave until he wins a 45 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: title and doesn't break his contracts for years and years. 46 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: Let's be honest about it. For years and years he 47 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: had like one year deals. Okay, there's a difference between 48 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: a leader and a leaver. Lebron's a leader. He makes 49 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: everybody better. He comes, changes your culture, leads you to 50 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: a championship, and then mobility, he can move. I'm okay 51 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: with that. Kevin Durant's a leaver, like I support him 52 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: leaving Oklahoma City. Westbrook's hard to play with, But Golden 53 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: State give me a break. I mean, how much do 54 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: you have to baby an athlete? Steph and Clay and 55 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: Draymond and Steve Kerr and Bob Myers and a great 56 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: owner feeding him a Silicon Valley business opportunities still wasn't 57 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: happy at this point. Kevin Durant is a lever. That's 58 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: not good for sports. I am pro mobility for pro athletes, okay, 59 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: but you can have too much of anything. It's the 60 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: old ice cream for breakfast. Players have contracts. You have 61 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: to be accountable and responsible. I mean, you blow up 62 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: the Warriors, you blow up the nets. You know, the 63 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: hotel manager's got to go and clean that room up. 64 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me wrong, if you're traded to 65 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: a terrible organization with bad ownership from a winning organization 66 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: like I get guys, I control where I go. I 67 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: feel bad for pro athletes traded from good organizations to 68 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: bad ones. But Golden State wanted Kevin Durant to stay. 69 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: He's a lever and the idea that it's good for 70 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: sports for guys to blow up one franchise the Warrior, 71 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: go to another, blow up the Brooklyn Nets. Pal, you 72 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: made this mess, live with it. It's self created. Good 73 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:13,559 Speaker 1: luck with Ben Simmons. So I saw Nick Saban signed 74 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: a contract makes him the highest paid college football coach 75 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: at eleven point seven million per year. That's a lot 76 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: of money. It's really a lot of money. In Alabama, 77 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: you can buy a really nice condo near the water 78 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: for eleven point seven million annually. But you know it's funny. 79 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: I said this years ago about Mac Brown, and apparently 80 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: Mac Brown at the time was at Texas, was driving 81 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: around and heard it or somebody told him what I said. 82 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: And I said, before mac Brown got to Texas ship man, 83 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: there was fifteen twenty thousand empty seats at games, and 84 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, if you just look at how much those 85 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: seats cost and what Mac Brown did to fill them, 86 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: plus you can charge almost double for the suits. When 87 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: Texas football was winning with Vince Young and Colt McCoy 88 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: at the time, he was making like four and a 89 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: half five million a year. I said, he's really underpaid. 90 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: He's actually underpaid because I look at Nick Saban and 91 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: you know, you look at eleven point seven million dollars 92 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: per year. My guess is Alabama makes close to that 93 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: in a game and a half one and a half 94 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: home games per year. I don't think they quite make 95 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: twelve million dollars per home game. They probably make seven 96 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: and a half. Now underpaid, let's put it in context. 97 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: You know, the average person makes thirty forty thousand whatever 98 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: they make a year. But when people are outraged by 99 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: these college coaches and their salaries. First of all, players 100 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: now get paid. USC's Caleb Williams, I've been told is 101 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: going to make about five million dollars a year. Now 102 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: think about that. He has never played a game for USC, 103 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: and I think he's going to be great. But he's 104 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: making forty percent of what Nick Saban makes. And Nick 105 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: Saban has a fifteen year dynasty at the number one 106 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: football power in America that makes about seven and a 107 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: half million bucks per home game. So when people get 108 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: outraged by these college coaches, especially college football coaches, and 109 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: what they make, go look at the revenue of an 110 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: Alabama on Ohio State at Texas for those eight home games. 111 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: It's over or around one hundred million dollars a year. 112 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: And those football programs pay for everything at the university 113 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: athletically except maybe men's and women's basketball, which themselves can 114 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: make money. So I don't begrudge any of this stuff. 115 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: I never bought into the outrage over college football coaches 116 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: salaries when Texas football is rolling Steve Sarkeesian and now 117 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: that they're in the SEC, I've been told they're athletic 118 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: director Chris del Conte when they moved into the SEC 119 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: and they'll get BAM at home in Georgia and LSU 120 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: and Florida and all these powers at home. There's already 121 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: no limit to what they can charge boosters for suites. 122 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: You ask, they'll pay. So there is nothing that makes 123 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: money faster in sports in America outside of maybe the 124 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: NFL than a college football powerhouse brand that gets the 125 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: right football coach Ohio State, USC Texas eleven point seven million. 126 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: You go look at the annual revenue of Alabama football. 127 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: You can make an argument he left some on the table. 128 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: I picked the Vikings as my most improved team in 129 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: the league. They just hired a new coach, Kevin O'Connell, 130 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: who was the Rams offensive coordinator in twenty twenty one. 131 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: The Rams, of course, won the Super Bowl with him 132 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: as offensive coordinator. He's a former quarterback, used to play 133 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: for the Patriots. Round three, about fifteen years ago, we 134 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: got picked by Belichick. Kevin O'Connell now new coach Minnesota 135 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: Vikings joining us. All right, let's start with this. McVay 136 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: cracks me up. You know, he's not like six to five, 137 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: but Jesus does he fill a room out. He's got 138 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: all that alpha and I think he's just I'm kind 139 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: of fascinated with him. I can't take my eyes off him. 140 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 1: He's got so much energy. And when you first met him, 141 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: just give me your first reaction when you mean, you're 142 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: a big, tall, strapping quarterback in the NFL and this 143 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: McVey dude is just dude. He's like red bull in 144 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: slacks and a golf shirt. Like, what was your first 145 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: impression of him? Yeah, The first time I actually ever 146 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: met him was actually through one of our coaches, O 147 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: tight end coach, pass game coordinator out here. Now, I'm 148 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: guy named Brian Angelico. I was my first year coaching 149 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: in Cleveland, and he said, Hey, there's this guy I 150 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: want you to meet. I think you guys would hit 151 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: it off. His name Sean McVay. He just became the 152 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: coordinator of the Washington football team. And they said, you 153 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: know what, I've heard of that guy before, didn't He 154 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: used to coach in Tampa and and kind of our 155 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: paths had never crossed. And then we actually played them 156 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: in the preseason, Kirk Cousins, Robert Griffin, the third Colt 157 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: McCoy battling it out for those guys to see who 158 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: was going to start. But I spent about fifteen twenty 159 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: minutes with him on the field before the game, and 160 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: I was just blown away by exactly what you're talking about. Energy, confidence, 161 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: just at a lot of positive energy coming out of 162 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: Sean McVay. And then, you know, over the course of 163 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: the years, our relationship really grew. We caught up in 164 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: the off seasons, and then before you know it, the 165 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: phone rings late in twenty nineteen and he was offering 166 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: me a chance to go out there and coach with them, 167 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: And best thing to ever happen to me in my 168 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: coaching career was getting a chance to be around him 169 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 1: for two years, be his right right hand man and 170 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: really get to learn, you know, kind of the you know, 171 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: people want to call it, you know, the secret sauce 172 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: or see behind the curtain, but really what it is, 173 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: it's just an incredible work ethic and incredible culture that 174 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: he builds on a daily basis, and ultimately not only 175 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: just what the players, with the coaches as well, and 176 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: everybody in that building is moving in the right direction, 177 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: you know, serving and trying to be the best version 178 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: of themselves, not for any selfish purpose, but to help 179 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: the guy next to him do their jobs. At a 180 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: at a high level. And when that happens Colin, it's 181 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: a special thing and had a forever impact on me. 182 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: You know, the only thing I ever worried about Sean 183 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: was burnout. He's so intense. He's not a guy that 184 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: half asses anything. You can just tell. I mean, I 185 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: don't care if you're playing golf, you could tell that 186 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: guy is fighting you to the last. It's why. It's 187 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: why he doesn't play golf, because he's not good enough 188 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: and it's not moving fast enough for him, so he 189 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: chooses not to play, even though his dad's a pretty 190 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: good play but he you know, Kevin, it feels like 191 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: in the last year or two he has come to 192 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: terms with, hey, yeah, I got to balance this stuff 193 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: out a little bit. And I think that's incredible. At 194 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: his age, I didn't have the ability or the self 195 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: awareness to do that. I was a workaholic and then 196 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: one day just it hit me. I was exhausted. But 197 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it is tough in your position. There's you 198 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: can grind yourself. I mean, I see some of these coaches. 199 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: They put on weight, they look like presidents. After eight years, 200 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: they look like hell do you think about that? Like 201 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: you want to have a quality of life and be 202 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: a great coach. Yeah, I do, because I watched it firsthand, 203 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: and i'd like, I'd like to think I was right 204 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: there with the most days. But you know, he's an 205 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: incredibly early riser. He gets there awfully early. It's kind 206 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: of had that effect on me. People around here calling 207 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: me crazy, and I said, you guys haven't seen anything. 208 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy had beaten me by to the 209 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: office by an hour or two and when I get in, so, um, 210 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: I've seen it. You know, I have seen it. You know, 211 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: over the course of the season, there's just no way. Um. 212 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: And he'd be the first one to tell you he's 213 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: constantly trying to work on that balance. He's married now, Um, 214 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: I've got a fourth kid on the way to join 215 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: the three. Uh little bundles of energy we already have. 216 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: I don't know how my wife does it, but I 217 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: know when I get home on Friday, I better have 218 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: some energy left over for them. Yea, um to you know, 219 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: whether it's football in the basement or going outside to 220 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: play whatever it is. So UM, I can imagine Sean's 221 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: going to continue to evolve, you know, as he's got 222 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: a wonderful new wife, Veronica, and I'm sure they're going 223 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: to start their own family and he's gonna have to 224 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: evolve because as we all know that that's a that's 225 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: the reality of life and being a dad. 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These are really good coaches, 271 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: but there is something about offensive coaches and the sensibility 272 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: and the fragility of quarterbacks. They make a lot of 273 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: money and they get a lot of criticism. And I said, 274 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if Kirk ever had a guy that 275 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: he could kind of feel like he could complain and 276 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: it's okay to complain. You've quarterbacked you know this kind 277 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: of the the ups and downs of it. I mean, 278 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: it's you have a bad Sunday, it lives with you. 279 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: It is hard to get that out of your system, 280 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: and I said, I've said I think I think he 281 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: needed an offensive coach. It's no criticism to anybody in 282 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: this league. Russell, Wilson and Pete struggled at the end, 283 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: Belichick and Brady struggled. There is something So when you 284 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: have your relationship with Kirk, when you sat down the 285 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: first time, like what did you guys address? What did 286 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: you How did you connect with him? That's the word 287 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: you just said at the very end, It's about connecting. 288 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: I think this. I think offense to football in our league. 289 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: I think it always has, but maybe more so than ever, 290 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: runs through the quarterback position, and runs through the comfort 291 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: of the quarterback position, not the play caller. You can 292 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: have a bunch of stuff drawn up on the board 293 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: that looks really great and try to put it in 294 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: a game plan, but I think the quarterback ownership of 295 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: not only the weekend and week out plan, but the 296 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: comfort of being able to be themselves. You know, how 297 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: they hit, how they lead, Because I do think it's 298 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 1: not a prerequisite to being successful at this position in 299 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: this league. But I think, just like as a head coach, 300 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: just like what I try to do any every single day, 301 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: I think if your quarterback, you know, is authentically being himself. 302 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: And he's as talented as Kirk is and gains the 303 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: respect of his teammates because they see how he works, 304 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: they see how he prepares, they see all he wants 305 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: to do deep down inside is win is win football games. 306 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: I think my role as a coach and really is 307 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: the offensive play caller, and coaches just really try to 308 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: connect with him so much that he's an extension of me, 309 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: and I can be an extension of him, and I 310 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: can learn kind of what makes him tick. And then 311 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: ultimately what we do on Sundays is gonna be about 312 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: what he's comfortable with. You know, I'm gonna I think 313 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: those meetings, calling those one offs, those Friday afternoons, those 314 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: Saturday mornings, game plans set. I may have my likes, 315 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: I may have my favorites of the week, but you 316 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: know what, Colin, if they don't show up on his list, 317 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: and when we talk things out, guess what plays aren't 318 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: gonna get called. They're gonna be winning doubt. And by 319 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: no means do we ask him to call the game 320 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: or try to you know, you know, put everything together 321 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: for us. But we lay out the plan, we give 322 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: him repetition, we give him the intent, and then it's about, 323 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: you know, finding that balance between what we think is 324 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,239 Speaker 1: the best way to attack an opponent, but also what 325 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: we think is the best way to get him in 326 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: a rhythm, keep him from getting hit, and then ultimately 327 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: allow him to allow himself to to feel great throughout 328 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: that game. The ebbs and flows, because what you said 329 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: is right, it's the hardest position in sports, both during 330 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: a game, after highs and lows of a season. We're 331 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: just trying to create an environment for Kirk where he 332 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: can be himself on a daily basis, he can lead 333 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: our group, and then ultimately preparing a way that when 334 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: his best is required on Sundays, he'll be there for 335 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: us time and time again. And you know what, I 336 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: know how hard it is if he's not or he 337 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: hits that adversity that every NFL quarterback, no matter who 338 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,479 Speaker 1: you are, you hit throughout a season. You know I'm 339 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: gonna be the first guy standing there to let him know, Hey, 340 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna figure this out together, we're gonna work through it, 341 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be right there with you every step 342 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: of the way. And I do think that offensive defensive coaching. 343 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: I just think that's my philosophy from our whole team, 344 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: but I think it magnifies itself for our quarterback. You know. 345 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: It's so you have an offensive philosophy and then I 346 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: mean the Rams didn't have a coordinator for a couple 347 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: of years before you got there, so they had to 348 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: have really liked you, right, So because I look back 349 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: here and they went, did they go twenty nineteen? Because 350 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 1: you work there twenty twenty twenty one, you're the offensive coordinay, 351 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: So I'm not sure who was the OC before you. 352 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: I know, different guys like jet Fish were working on 353 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: the staff. But so McVay obviously had great trust in you. 354 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: So you have this offensive philosophy and then you work 355 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: with McVeagh, this powerful sort of mind, so like how 356 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: do you mesh like what you would do? And then 357 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: you move some Sean stuff in. I mean, is there 358 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: anything you've had and you've said, shit, I'm bailing on that. 359 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm just taking chance. I like that. Oh, I mean absolutely, 360 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: I think that my offensive philosophy. It was one of 361 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: those things calling where I thought a lot of things, 362 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: but then I got to experience kind of walking into 363 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: a great offensive staff with some really good players in LA, 364 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: but a scheme that had been you know, they've been 365 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: running that scheme for three years by the time I 366 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: got there with a lot of success early on. Then 367 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: it was kind of like the league you know, tried 368 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: to do some things, different front mechanics, different personnel groups, 369 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: to try to talk showing out of some of the 370 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: things that they were doing early on, mainly at the 371 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage when they would go fast. And then 372 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: really I come in during the uh you know, not 373 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: you know, break it all down to build it out 374 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: back up again, but just really through a process of 375 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: which assessing how we can kind of you know, kind 376 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: of negate some of these advantages that people are trying 377 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: to get by the tactics they're using to slow what 378 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: we did down, and then uh, just you know kind 379 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: of you know, the past game philosophy at its core, 380 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, concepts, how you read things, how you tie quarterbacks, 381 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: feet and eyes together. I really felt like I was 382 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: able to you know, have an impact, have a role 383 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: with that evolution that took place in twenty twenty, but 384 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: then also you know, be able to just learn and 385 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: kind of intake everything that kind of had transpired for 386 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: three years and then just being around shown as a 387 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: play caller, how things get packaged together, how you make 388 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: sure you've got answers for some things that can be 389 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: catish draft pick if you don't, just how you put 390 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: the quarterback at ease with providing a plan with those 391 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: types of answers. I learned a lot. I took a 392 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: lot from it. I learned a lot from being around 393 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: a guy like Matthew Stafford last year, seeing a veteran 394 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: quarterback played twelve years and a lot of different offenses. 395 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: Then he comes in and in one year, you know 396 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: that evolution continued to go forward, and we figured out 397 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: ways to push the ball down the field, new ways 398 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: of running tempo and attacking, you know, keeping our attacking mindset, 399 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: but maybe understanding we had a guy that you know, 400 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: we didn't want to put a governor on at the 401 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: quarterback position because we knew we had Cooper and Robert 402 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: and Higbee. We signed, you know, we've got Van Jefferson 403 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: and Tyler or and uh, you know obviously you signed 404 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: to Sean Jackson and then it's Odell Beckham and it's hey, 405 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: this quarterback can make it all go. But we also 406 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: still want to maintain our identity. And that was the 407 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: really cool part is from day one watching that between Sean, 408 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: myself and Matthew. You know, there was a lot of 409 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: meetings that took place over the course of you know, 410 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: really a year or there where you know, my football 411 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: philosophy changed more adapt it based upon a really high 412 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: level ball between Sean, myself and Matthew, and Matthew being 413 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: at the driver's seat of all that was a really 414 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: special year and it culminated with us winning a Super Bowl. 415 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: But I think back calling on all those times, talking 416 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: about plays and progressions and hey, maybe I love something, 417 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: and the two of them were like, no, I don't 418 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: think that's great this week, or vice versa. Or maybe 419 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: it was Matthew and myself banging on the table for 420 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: a play and Sean saying easy now, like this is 421 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: why it's a no for me this week, or this 422 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: is why I love it this week. But ultimately, nobody 423 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: ever got hurt feelings. Everybody just continue to say, you 424 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: know what, we trust one another, and when the team 425 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: time to kick off on Sundays, we had great plans 426 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: and like I circled back to on Kirk, you know, 427 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: player ownership and Matthew owning that thing from start to 428 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: finish is what helped us not only have success, but 429 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: overcome the adversity. Like I talked about that's gonna come, 430 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: we didn't win a game in November. We turned it 431 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: over probably too much, put the defenses in tough spots. 432 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: Then we had to circle back and kind of really 433 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: figured out what we wanted to be late in the 434 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: year and go win at nine out of our last 435 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: ten and hoisted Lombardi. So I learned so much through 436 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: that experience, both the positives but then also that adversity 437 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: that really defined, you know, what I think that team 438 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: was and really taught me a lot about the chair 439 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: that I'm in now and how I can lead a 440 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: football team moving forward. I'm going to give you the 441 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: name of a quarterback who you've played on the same 442 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: team with or coached, and I let's pretend I've never 443 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: seen him play, and in a sentence, you have to describe, Oh, 444 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: what makes him special? I've never seen him play. Tom Brady, 445 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: you were drafted by the Patriots. Tom Brady, you know, 446 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: elite competitor with an unbelievable way of playing this game 447 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: at an incredibly high level. When circumstances are not always 448 00:24:54,040 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: in his favor. Matt Stafford incredible, incredible talent to go 449 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: along with a makeup that makes everybody around him better. 450 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: Alex Smith underrated, underrated for sure has the traits and 451 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: qualities to do what I just talked about with Matthew 452 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: as far as make everybody around him better, but just 453 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: unbelievably consistent, authentic, and you know successful. Kirk Cousins extremely talented, tough, durable, 454 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: and a guy that I think is on his way 455 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: to reaching his potential. So so I saw McVey dog 456 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: cuss goff a few times and I listen Stafford, there 457 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: are a couple of times I've seen him, if not confront, 458 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: you know, go up to Matt and say who has 459 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: the emotional discipline to handle anything? Sean says, but what 460 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: about those days when you have to be Kirk. Here's 461 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: one of my knocks on Kirk. Let it rep ther 462 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: s options rok like letter rep. I do think it 463 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: is it a fair criticism to say it sometimes Kirk 464 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: can be a tad cautious. Is that fair? I think 465 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: it's it's it's all through the lens of you know, 466 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: getting all the information for whatever those decisions may be. 467 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: I think Kurt's got a really good sense of situational football. 468 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: He's constantly pushing us around here to have practice periods 469 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: every single day where there's a situation involved. You know 470 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: what is two minute? It's third down, it's low red zone. Hey, 471 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: we're in a no sack mentality right here. Hey, I 472 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: can be a little bit more aggressive. It is a 473 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: two minute to go, try to win a game. We're down, 474 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: we need a touchdown. What I've really challenged him with 475 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: since I got here was to be the same guy, 476 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: be the good decision maker. I would never ever call 477 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: a talented guy like Kirk a game manager. But I 478 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: think every great quarterback manages the game, if that makes sense, 479 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: and a lot of that is managing risk reward of 480 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: the situation. What's the play call, what's the intent, what's 481 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: the look? You know, do we have that premier look 482 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: to take a shot? And you know what, I'm okay 483 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: with with the result. To your point, I'm okay with 484 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: the outcome the result if we h you know, we 485 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: we wait two quarters to take a shot to Justin 486 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: Jefferson one on one in a certain coverage situation, and 487 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: if that doesn't work out our way, the ball maybe 488 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: bounce is funny. I'm okay with that. What ultimately we're 489 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: hoping for, and I think Kirk completely understands that is 490 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: it's those situations where, hey, we don't pull the trigger, 491 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: but why let's talk about it. Well, we've we've we've 492 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: grown already immensely together just by having those on one 493 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: on one meetings. We meet a lot just him and 494 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: I and we watch practice and we watch games, and 495 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: we watch old footage from him or the Rams or 496 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: any other team, and we just absorbed the situation. And 497 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of what would you call here? There's 498 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: a lot of well if I call this, would you 499 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: be thinking about it like that? Um? And or and 500 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: and and don't forget about this callum. The beauty of 501 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: the coach the quarterback situ system in our league is 502 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: I can talk to him when he's out there between 503 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: the lines and I could say a play call. You know, Hey, 504 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: we're running this, this and this, here's what I'm thinking here, 505 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: And that can take a lot of that pressure off 506 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: his plate because it's the head coach saying it, and 507 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: it's the head coach calling to play and ultimately, we 508 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: can live that situation and more importantly, the result together. 509 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: And I think it's really important once you have the 510 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: process of getting to that result is right, you can't 511 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: really deal with the results negatively at that point. You 512 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: just got to deal with them together and say, you 513 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: know what, that's exactly what we wanted. This is the 514 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: shot to take. It didn't work out in our favor 515 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: this time, but you know what, Colin, next time, it's 516 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: gonna if we just maintain what we're what him and 517 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: I continue to build together and forget the fact that 518 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: we can rely on a lot of really talented players 519 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: around him as well, and then no one we've got 520 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: a defense on the other side, We're gonna ask them 521 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: to pick us up from time to time. 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Every draft gives 550 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: us about one star quarterback and yet about three to 551 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: four drafted. It's hard. It is a hard position to evaluate. 552 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: I can remember Justin Herbert having critics he's too mechanical, 553 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, well, I'll take it. I mean, the 554 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: first play in the league, you're like, he's going deep, 555 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: he's up against Mahomes. If I said to you, because 556 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: you're the coach now and at some point you're former 557 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: NFL quarterback, three years, five years, you're still there, they're 558 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: gonna ask your opinion. If I said, Kevin, give me 559 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: the one quality. If you're sitting out at a combine 560 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: interviewing these guys, but you're watching tape, give me an 561 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: underrated quality so that you don't with if you have 562 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: to draft a quarterback in the first round. What's this? 563 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: What is something that people don't talk about that maybe 564 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: you know that a lot of other coaches don't because 565 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: you played in the league at the most crucial position. Well, 566 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: I think there's really two answers, and the first one 567 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: was an underrated quality or that you said, just a 568 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: quality which I think the standard because I've gone back 569 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: and forth over it through the years. But deep down 570 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: inside calling, what plagued me the most as a player 571 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: was I was not naturally accurate enough throwing the football. 572 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: Take arm strength, take some of the other traits. You know, 573 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: we talk a lot about fundamentals and techniques, how you 574 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: deliver the football, the rhythm and timing, your ability to 575 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: be twitchy and speed it up when you have to. 576 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: Those are all great things. But when that rock leaves 577 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: your hands, when you throw that football, you have to 578 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: be in control of it at this level and be 579 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: able to put it where you want it and be 580 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: able to do it in different rhythms and time means 581 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: and anticipations. And and that's where it leads me to 582 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: the most underrated quality that I think not a lot 583 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: of people talk about, and that's, you know, the big 584 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: field vision, being able to see either. And it's not 585 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: always the tall guys. Because I was six five calling 586 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: A lot of times I couldn't see anything. I am 587 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: six five. I shouldn't say was, even though I'm probably 588 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,239 Speaker 1: shrinking with all this stress. But I'll tell you this much. 589 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: If guys can see and they can feel voids and 590 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: vacancies and leverages and techniques, you know, and he's accurate. 591 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: Guess what, you know, We're gonna be able to get 592 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: the ball out and rhythm a lot. The pass rush 593 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: may be humming, but they're not going to get home 594 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: in time if you can anticipate and feel and see. 595 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: And I think you know you talk about justin Herbert. 596 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: I think the one thing that you couldn't see on 597 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: his tape enough of in college, just by the nature 598 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: of how they played, and not no slight on anybody, 599 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: You just didn't get to see a lot of those 600 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: reps where he did that. I'll tell you what. You 601 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: turn on the tape now and you see him do 602 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: it time and time again, and when he turns that 603 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: thing loose, I mean his head coach is a very, 604 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: very one of my best friends in this profession, Brandon Staley, 605 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: And some of our greatest conversations are when I just say, 606 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: talk to me about what your guy did today. You know, 607 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: I just want to hear about it, and then vice versa. 608 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: He's a fan of our guy as well, you know, 609 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: having played against him a lot and and knowing a 610 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: lot about Kirk so those would be my two things. 611 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: Just a naturally accurate wake up at a bed in 612 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: the morning and be able to throw the rock, you know, 613 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: which a lot of times is a gift that guys 614 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: have and and it comes out and expresses itself through 615 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: that evaluation process. And what you really have to be 616 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: able to study is really embracing what they're being asked 617 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: to do, and then what is their field vision and 618 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: their pocket presence allowing them to then do That translates 619 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: to our league when guys are coming over the walls 620 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: at you, four man rush, you got one or two hitches? 621 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: That's what I ask our guys, you give you give 622 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: my guy one or two hitches. Hopefully I called something 623 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: that will be open in rhythm so he can turn 624 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: it loose and we can move on to the next play. 625 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: Kevin good luck, can't wait? The tall Sean McVay, Well, listen, 626 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: if you could be half the coach, you're going a 627 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: lot of games because the guy's a total baller. I 628 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,919 Speaker 1: find him wildly entertaining. He's I know, he's great. He's great, man, 629 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: he really is. I love him and he's become you know, 630 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: I owe him so much, not only preparing me, you 631 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: know x's and os and all that, and just as 632 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: a human being. I mean, you're not gonna find anybody 633 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: better in this league. He's got a heart of gold, 634 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: comes from a great family. He's probably gonna even get 635 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: a better version of himself now that he's married, and Veronica, 636 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: can you know, hopefully get him to loosen up a 637 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 1: little bit. But I'll tell you what, man, it's it's 638 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: no shock that you're a huge fan of his and 639 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: I think most people that I talked to definitely are. 640 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: Good luck to coach. Yeah, thank you very much. Appreciate 641 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: you guys having me on and you know, always appreciate, 642 00:34:50,480 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, any support for the bikes the volume. Make 643 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: sure to check out The Draymond Green Show. 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