WEBVTT - Draft Preview - Baker Mayfield 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:06.080 Like games over the world, you twenty to win the game. 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:18.319 He's got a Jet touchdown Chamblin. You're listening to the 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:22.360 Official New York Jets Podcast, a Jets three sixty production 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.720 Beethan Greenberg and Eric Allen. Here on the Official Jets 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:32.919 Podcast again the NFL Draft Imminent, Imminent, Imminent e A. Today, 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:36.880 we're diving in on one of the more polarizing quarterback prospects, 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:41.240 Baker Mayfield, the seventeen Heisman Trophy winner. This guy has 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:44.920 video game statistics when you look at him online, walked 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:48.440 on at Texas Tech, transferred to Oklahoma, walked on there. 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.559 We're gonna speak to the Monday Morning Quarterbacks Robert Clemco 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:54.160 later on in this episode. But this is a guy 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:57.120 e a that he knows how to win. But he's 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:00.360 also someone that said, you know what's his elite skill 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:03.400 compared to the other three, Well, he would tell you 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:07.640 that he is more accurate than everybody. He did, in fact, 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:11.640 tell everybody that in Indianapolis at the combine. He is 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:15.520 also on record is saying that if you want to 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:19.479 turn your franchise around, you will pick me. He has 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:24.559 an unbelievable belief in himself which I think is going 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:29.479 to draw a lot of folks towards him. Pass At 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:33.759 Oklahoma last year he led the Sooners to the national 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.839 semifinal where I thought he played very well and George 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:39.960 and he missed a couple of passes here and there, um, 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:45.679 but really good feet and highly intelligent as well. I 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:47.640 know some people are gonna look at it as a 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:52.520 knock the air raid offense that he comes from in Norman, Oklahoma. 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:56.880 And then before that you mentioned Texas Tech, But anybody 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.440 you talked to who spent some time with him will 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:03.320 say that he can diagnose very quickly, not just on 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:05.920 a board, but the way he plays the game. And 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.800 you actually spoke to Chad Pennington down in Orlando for 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:12.080 the NFL Annual League Meeting and he said that he 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:15.880 believes Baker Mayfield is the purest passer of the bunch, 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.720 and he came to that conclusion in Indianapolis when he 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:22.680 saw him throw at Lucas Oil Stadium. And Baker Mayfield 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:24.520 is one of those guys where the first thing you 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.919 think of is not only his accuracy, but his competitive spirit. 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.160 And we talked about it in our prior episodes. Sam 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:35.240 Donald's competitive Josh Allen's competitive as well, but this guy 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.920 is very I would say he's the most infectious of 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:41.640 the bunch. He's someone that really wears his heart on 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:43.800 his sleeve, and you can tell that he plays the 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.680 game with a lot of emotion. Some people may think, well, 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:49.840 sometimes a little too much emotion. Because as you saw, 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:54.320 or maybe as you didn't see, Oklahoma played Kansas. He 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:56.919 went out for the coin toss as a captain, stuck 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.280 out his hand for a handshake and the Kansas players 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.799 kept their arms behind their back refused to shake his head. 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:06.160 That seemed to spark him that game Oklahoma one Baker 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.840 looked at the Kansas sideline, grabbed his cross and said, 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.320 go cheer on your hoops team. Kansas did go to 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.200 the Final four, so if they stuck the best ball, 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.360 they'd a good job this year. No, but on a 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:20.520 serious level, I think, uh, he's got a lot of moxie. Uh. 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:22.720 Some people would say that he takes it a step 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.200 too far. I think even Baker Mayfield would admit that 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:30.000 he would like to have that one back. But he's 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:33.799 an excitable guy. After they went to Ohio State and 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:37.440 beat the buck guys this year, after getting drilled at 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:42.240 home in Norman the year before Baker found a flag. 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:45.520 You know you fled. He tried to plan it at midfield. 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.720 It didn't really work because if you're gonna plan a flag, 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.880 you gotta find grass. Unfortunately in this case, and so 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.760 you're saying it's a technicality. In this case, it was 0:03:55.840 --> 0:04:00.840 just filter. Him and his guys were just having some fun. YEA. 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:04.080 The more you read about Baker Mayfield, the biggest questions 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:08.080 teams have aren't about off the field. It's about him 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:12.000 on the field. And the one thing that you see 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.800 from him a couple of things is that here's a 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:19.080 guy who's about one inch taller than Russell Wilson. He's 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:23.600 got a quick release, he doesn't mind pressure. In fact, 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:28.120 he thrives off a second chance opportunities. I would say 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:32.760 this is when pro scouts and GM are making the projections. 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:37.800 I don't think the NFL is built on second chance 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:42.440 opportunities where Baker could get away with that. I think 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.200 something's at the collegiate level that he might not be 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:49.360 able to get away with on the next level. With 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.440 that being said, he does a lot of things that 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.960 you like. His feet are good, he can move around 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:59.279 in the pocket, he can create throwing lanes, incredibly smart, 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.600 he was prolific. Bottom line is I like college players 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:07.920 who come out and today had success in college, and 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.919 Baker Mayfield is a guy who had a lot of 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.640 success on the field. Yeah, I think it's time to 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:15.800 check in with Robert Clemco because this is someone, like 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.520 you said, is doing a deep dive on Baker Mayfield. 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:20.640 What better guy to talk to than so Well that's 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.839 spent a lot of time with Baker, had coach Lincoln 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:27.120 Riley of Oklahoma and all those close to those two. 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:35.680 Let's check in with Robert clemcol Let's bring in the 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:40.719 aforementioned Robert Clemco, who's doing tremendous work for Monday Morning Quarterback. 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:45.080 Right now, Robert, where did this project all start? The 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:49.400 genesis of you guys taking Baker Mayfield and doing an 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.960 extended series on him. So, you know, I think in 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:56.120 our industry, we have gotten in the habit of, you know, 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:00.359 cranking out these profiles of draft prospects, and you know, 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:01.960 you write a story on a guy and then you 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.400 just kind of move on. And I wanted to do 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.599 something that felt more like I was a scout and 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:08.360 I was trying to learn everything I could about a 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.200 guy because my job depended on it. Kind of a 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.960 far fetched plan because we didn't think anybody would actually 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.760 agree to it. And our number one choice was Baker 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.720 Mayfield in part because you know, he's so talented and 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:22.880 we knew would be a first round pick, but also, 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.800 you know, the big personality, the off the field question, 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:28.479 the fact that he has a six ft quarterback, you know, 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.599 trying to fighting against the odds, and that he was 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:35.400 getting these really crazy comparisons to you know, Johnny Manziel 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:39.440 and Drew Brees and Russell Wilson. I mean, the comparisons 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:41.440 that this kid has just kind of run the gamut. 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.880 So we asked him, and you know, to our surprise, 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:48.120 he was completely down with it. And I think that 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.000 over the course of the series, I realized why, and 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.320 I think they felt that he was getting an unfair 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:57.760 wrap in terms of that Manzel comparison, and they felt 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:01.839 like an honest examination would kind of reveal that it's 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:04.280 really good stuff. We're gonna get into it right now 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.040 on the Fishal Judge podcast, but we follow you on 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.760 Twitter as well, and I like that you put out 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.160 in a tweet the other day, he said people are 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:16.200 complex and evolving and can't be reduced to a quote 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:20.120 or a paragraph, and that I think to a T. 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:24.160 Fitz Baker Mayfield. Yeah, yeah, Well, And what I was 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.440 talking about was we had just put out a story 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:32.440 that talked about how he's motivated by criticism and slights, 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.920 whether it's media, whether it's other players, and you know 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:37.440 what I mean. He goes so far as to keep 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:41.440 screenshots of tweets by media members in his phone as motivation, 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.040 and I think a lot of people are motivated that way. 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:48.400 But I talked to Joe Thomas and Russell Wilson, and 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.880 those guys talked about how as a quarterback, especially as 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.920 a rookie, going into a situation where you may not 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:58.160 have a lot of success early on, you have to 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:01.640 be more insular than that. You can't rely on outside 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:03.840 criticism to motivate you, because there's gonna be a lot 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:05.760 of it and at some point it's gonna get overwhelming. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.760 What's kind of annoying about Twitter is that you write 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.440 a story like that as part of a larger series, 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:14.640 thinking what you hope is an honest look at a guy, 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.880 and everybody latches onto that and says, oh, he's a 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.840 bus right. Uh, there's no way he's going to succeed 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.520 in the NFL because of this one thing. And I 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.320 think social media in a lot of ways, and I 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:27.440 don't want to sound like an old fogey here, but 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.040 it's kind of cheapened our discourse on this sort of 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.360 thing and allows people to just confirm the biases that 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.720 they already have. That's something that I wanted to try to, 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.760 you know, overcome with this series. What something you were 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.640 expecting to learn about Mayfield and maybe it was kind 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.480 of your own thoughts are in versus what you know now? 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.480 Is there kind of a discrepancy there? Well, you know, 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.400 I don't follow college football extremely closely, Like I probably 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.800 watched three or four of Baker's games in prime time 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:56.520 just because you know, we cover the NFL and on 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.560 Saturdays it's kind of like my day off. So I 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:01.280 went into what was kind of a clean slate. But 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:05.120 you do read about the crotch grabbing and specifically the 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.800 arrest back in you know, last spring in Faytteville, Arkansas, 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:13.000 running away from the cops, and usually I think you assume, 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.200 and you rightly assume, that this is not like the 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.880 first time that he's ever been in a jam like this. 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.480 It's just the first time he got caught, right. So, 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.160 the first thing I did when they agreed to, you know, 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.719 be interviewed for the series and kind of aid in 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.000 the logistics of it and all that, was to file 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:35.240 open records requests with police jurisdictions in Austin, Texas, where 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:39.920 he's from, Lubbock, where he went to Texas Tech Norman 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.520 with the Sheriff's Department in the city police department there, 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.880 and also Arkansas pett Ville, Arkansas, for any records that 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.640 mentioned the name Baker Mayfield, and all of these police 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:55.120 stations and entities are obligated to pass along those records 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:57.800 within a pretty reasonable amount of time. So I think that, 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.160 you know, we would find something that you know, I'm 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:02.640 acting like a scout. I'm trying to find a dig 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.120 up dirt, and I was pretty confident that I would 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.800 find something. And I didn't. You know, we got back 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.200 only the stuff that had already been reported about Baker 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.520 in Arkansas and nothing else. And I think that was 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.079 a surprise to me, and I began to understand why 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.200 they even agreed to do this in the first place. 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:24.040 Has he lost any of it? Through your examination of 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:28.000 what made him Baker may Feel the guy who went 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:33.640 to Texas Tech and battled for the job there, then 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:39.440 transferred to Oklahoma. He came in there, took that job, 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:43.880 and then never looked back. Now he is a star 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.760 and he's about to get drafted, probably in the first round. 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:52.560 You would think Barne something really unforeseen right now along 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:57.440 the way as he's grabbed all this attention and a 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:01.800 fandom from folks out there. Has he ever lost what 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.720 made him Baker Mayfield. He told an interesting story to 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.000 me that you know I'm gonna feature in the magazine, 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:11.600 and he talked about how he wanted to go to 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:15.080 Florida Atlantic because they had offered him them in Washington 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.280 State were the only two teams that had offered him 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.240 coming out of high school, even though he'd gone to 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.120 this extremely prestigious program like Travis and they won the 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.480 state championship every other year, and Michael Brewer was a 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:28.920 quarterback there and Garret Gilbert, like just a string of 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:33.720 incredible quarterbacks that went on to college success. Baker didn't 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.480 get recruited, I think as a byproduct of how successful 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:38.840 that program was and a lot of people felt that 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.400 he was a system quarterback even then. So he wanted 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.000 to go to Florida Atlantic, and he was kind of 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.160 afraid to tell his dad because he knew his dad 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:49.400 wanted him to, you know, go bigger. And his dad said, look, 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.000 you can do better than this. I mean, you've been 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:55.000 able to prove people wrong your entire high school career. 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:58.959 Why not walk on somewhere you want to go. And 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.120 they got enormous argument about it because Baker wanted to 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:05.000 go somewhere he was wanted. And then at the end 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:08.280 of it, Baker decided that he was going to walk 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.640 on at Texas Tech. And then he had that decision 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:14.959 immediately validated by starting as a freshman winning the Big 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.280 twelve Freshman of the Year award. And I think that 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.680 that success and that that kind of bet that he 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.360 made on himself, he just kept doubling down on that 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.000 and doubling down on that, and he was so smart 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:29.320 and how he went about winning those two jobs. We 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:32.040 talked about, you know, the hard work and all of 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.600 the preparation that he had to go through, not knowing 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:36.679 if he was gonna have an opportunity, but he also 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:40.880 talked about making sure that you're asking the right questions, 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.040 not just so that you're getting necessary information, so that 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:46.520 people know that you're asking the right questions and people 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.839 notice it. I think he was really great at putting 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:53.040 in the work but also being noticed and recognized for 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.160 that work. And people say, you know, he's not a 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.760 CEO and he's not enough of a politician to be 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.360 an NFL quarterback. I think the opposite it. I mean, 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.600 I think this guy is crafty as hell. Yeah, so 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.680 we're speaking to Robert klem Go Monday Morning quarterback who 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.480 also doubled down in sports illustraight, and we'll be looking 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.120 for more work from him in the weeks. I had 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.719 as we get closer to the draft, you said that 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.720 Baker Mayfield has leaned on chair Pennyton somewhat as a mentor. 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.880 Can you talk about that a little bit. Yeah, Chad 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.440 is sort of a mentor to a lot of guys 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:29.400 at the combine. Through this NFL Legends program, he ends up, 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:33.120 you know, kind of shepherding these quarterbacks through all these 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.800 various parts of that process. And then he was also 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.760 at the Senior Bowl talking to players. So I think 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.440 he's trying to step into this role of coach mentor 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:46.040 to the stars, and I think Baker has found in 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.719 him kind of an impartial ear and somebody he can 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:51.960 bounce things off of, and somebody who can give advice 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:55.440 that Baker knows isn't coming from a place of you know, 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.120 trying to benefit off of Baker success or anything like 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.040 that or piggyback off of his name. And one of 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.319 the things that Chad has tried to do is to 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.320 curtail these instincts and Baker that leave people to think 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.640 that he's not the CEO type. One of my stories 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.800 in the series I lead with Baker kind of blowing 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:16.640 off the Brown Scout because you know why the Browns 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.760 trying to interview me, knowing they just drafted mental Trabiski, 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.240 and Chad Pennington has tried to dissuade him of that 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:25.080 and just tell him, you know, there's thirty two teams 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.640 out there and in four years you might end up 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:31.760 playing for that Scout that you just blew off. So yeah, 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.120 I think that it's been a learning process for Baker 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:36.720 and it was really important for him to meet Chat 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.320 early on in this offseason. You went through a film 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:44.080 breakdown with Oklahoma head coach Lincoln Riley, And I know 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.120 one of the Knox per se on Baker is that 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.560 you know he's coming from an offense stats quarterback friendly. 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:51.880 So can you just dive into a little bit more 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.560 detail on what Lincoln Riley and maybe even you think 0:14:55.680 --> 0:15:00.400 that Baker will translate to a successful quarterback just bite 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:04.600 his offensive scheme in college. Yeah, well, I think we 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.560 all have this view of the up tempo variations on 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.480 the spread offense. You know, whether it's the blur or 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.680 the air raid where the quarterback looks over to the 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.200 sideline and he gets a call, or he looks at 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.560 a picture of you know, Oscar the Grouch or something, 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.600 and then everybody knows that that's the play they're running, 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:25.360 and then the sideline is completely orchestrating the whole thing. 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:27.680 That's a little bit of a stereotype in a lot 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.000 of cases, especially with quarterbacks that have a lot of 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:33.040 experience in a program and with a particular coach in 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.960 that offense. And I think Baker has been an exception 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:38.480 in the same way that Patrick Mahomes a Texas Tech 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.560 was an exception. In sitting down with Lincoln Riley, it 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:43.440 it really helped me understand, and I hope it help 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.880 readers understand how much he grew within that offense, because 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.240 that's what a lot of these coaches are asking of Riley. 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:52.800 How much can we put on him early on and 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.080 how quickly is he going to be able to process it. 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.720 I mean, I know that he got a real sense 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:01.200 from the Jets in his vis it with them that 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.920 it wasn't a boiler plate interview, that they had already 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.400 done some research and watched a lot of film of 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.680 Oklahoma football, and that Jeremy Bates was already, you know, 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:13.320 putting together some offensive concepts that would translate to the 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:17.320 NFL from Oklahoma in the event that they did draft Baker. 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.680 So that interview really stood out to him because they 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.160 were doing some of the same things that I was 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.480 doing with Lincoln Riley and trying to learn, you know, 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:29.040 what Baker's responsibilities were and how quickly he could take 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:31.760 on information at the next level. That was great layout 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.360 on that article because not only are you speaking to 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:41.840 it with pros, but the video of the actual plays 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:46.080 was incorporated in those articles. So that was very good. 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.520 I really enjoyed that. I just don't click on it 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.360 in six months when all the television broadcast was playing 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:57.760 the YouTube right, so it's working right now, so it's 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:01.600 all good. Something else that stood out to me Baker Mayfield. 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.800 He's a pretty intelligent cat, isn't he. You wrote that 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.600 there was a quarterback prospect this year who was scored 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.920 in the top a hundred on an a i Q test, 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:15.520 which is basically an intelligence test for prospects coming out, 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:19.520 and that's out of more than four thousand tests, and 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.159 this person was the second highest scoring quarterback out of 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:27.480 sixty three who have taken the tests since two thousand twelve. 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.600 You said, you've got a couple of sources saying that 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:33.080 guy is Baker Mayfield. Yeah, and it's a it's a 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.480 new intelligence test that's been used with the combines since 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.440 two thousands twelve that's meant to replace the wonder like 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.119 because the wonderlick does have a lot of cultural and 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.800 language biases and hasn't really been shown to correlate directly 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:48.439 to NFL success. So this doctor, Scott Goldman, was a 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:52.439 sports psychologist, spent the last ten fifteen years developing this 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:56.680 test that he has now found a positive correlation between 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:01.160 a high score and success and playing time. Early on 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:03.840 in an NFL career. So it's only been since two 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.040 thousand twelve, so obviously the sample side isn't that huge, 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:09.840 but sixty three quarterbacks have taken this thing, and Baker 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:13.639 was the second highest score. It's valued by a couple 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:15.679 of teams in the NFL who subscribed to all the 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:19.480 testing results, and those teams two teams are secret, and 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.160 then five or six other teams in the NFL will 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:25.760 then pay at a premium for say their top one 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:31.040 draft prospects results on that test. So I think it's 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:34.479 something that you know, we're gonna hear about more often 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.080 in years to come. It's a very new thing into combine. Robert, 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:41.080 what do you think his most elite physical quality is? 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:45.000 Because when I'm always asked about Baker Mayfield, I said, well, 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:48.120 the first thing that stands out to anybody is this 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:51.840 guy is so driven. He is super competitive. You can 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:56.560 see that without knowing him. But you've been in his 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:00.160 camp per se for a few months, You've t talk 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.720 to people around him. What about his physical qualities? What 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.240 stands out to you the most? You know, he doesn't 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.680 have a spectacular arm. He's not going to allow you 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:13.240 with a seventy yard throw downfield, you know, on the money, 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.680 like a Josh Allen is. He's not a big guy. 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:17.720 He's not a fast guy. You know, he runs for 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:20.840 eight and people compare to Russell Wilson, but Russell Wilson 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:24.280 is way faster than Baker Mayfield, way more athletic. I 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:26.760 think the thing that stands out and the kind of 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:30.760 this analytics and statistics fact this up is that his 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:35.080 accuracy when throwing on the run or when pressured when 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:39.679 backing up, moving side to side, moving forward is almost 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:42.440 identical to his accuracy when he's got a clean pocket. 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.280 And that's a special thing and a and a very 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:48.040 necessary thing when you're six foot tall, because you know 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:49.840 you're gonna have to be moving around and trying to 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:53.280 find passing lanes, trying to create opportunities that maybe comes 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.960 more easier to six foot five quarterbacks. But just watching 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.560 film with Riley, that's one thing that he pointed out 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.400 is that in practice, Baker would rarely just drop back 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.280 in a seven on seven drill and just sling it 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.480 from a comfortable position, even if there was nobody around him. 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.639 He was falling to his right or falling away, falling 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:17.159 left evading imaginary pressure in order to replicate some of 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.480 the things that he would face in games. And I 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:22.359 think that work really showed in two thousands seventeen. You 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:27.160 wrote early on in the series that potentially you thought 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:30.719 Baker may feel hit ten Destinations says that let's grown 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:34.560 or shrunk. Do you think, yeah, I think it's shrunk. 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:38.560 I think that as it's become clear that he's, you know, 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:41.120 closer to being a top five pick than top fifteen pick, 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.679 there are teams that probably would have taken a lookout 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:45.800 at him, but you know, aren't willing to trade up 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:49.680 into that spot. I would say that list is probably 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:52.080 five teams at this point. I think you have to 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:54.960 consider the Bills and Dolphins, but they would have to 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.080 trade up early in the first round. I think that 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:03.040 the Jets, the Broncos, and the Browns are probably your 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:06.200 top three right now in terms of candidates for Baker. 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:09.080 And I know that everybody has mocked Sam Donald to 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:11.840 the Browns, but I don't think they've made that distinction 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:14.600 yet there. I think they're loving that everybody thinks they've 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:17.120 made up their minds. Well, and you know this very well, 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:22.679 Hugh Jackson said Baker Mayfield the pied Piper of Oklahoma football. 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:26.360 When do you think about that? It's weird. I heard 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:29.880 that same phrase from GM at another team, just kind 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:32.719 of independent of that. It's a it's a popular kind 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:35.199 of football colloquialism, but there's some meaning to it. But 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:37.800 I guess what they're trying to say is that he 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:41.040 kind of has a cult of personality down at Oklahoma, 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:42.280 and that's what you want to see out of a 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.800 quarterback that's going to be your franchise guy. I mean, 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:48.120 when scouts went down to Texas A and M, for instance, 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:51.720 to investigate Johnny Manzel, there was no shortage of people 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:54.439 that would talk trash about Johnny that were connected to 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:57.200 that program. But you can't find anybody to talk trash 0:21:57.200 --> 0:22:00.760 about Baker Mayfield at Oklahoma. And I'm sure that's, you know, 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:03.159 similar with a lot of these other quarterbacks in the 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:04.800 top of the first round. I think it's kind of 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.359 a prerequisite if you're gonna draft a quarterback in the 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:10.800