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Speaker 1: Podcast again the NFL Draft Imminent, Imminent, Imminent e A. Today,
Speaker 1: we're diving in on one of the more polarizing quarterback prospects,
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, the seventeen Heisman Trophy winner. This guy has
Speaker 1: video game statistics when you look at him online, walked
Speaker 1: on at Texas Tech, transferred to Oklahoma, walked on there.
Speaker 1: We're gonna speak to the Monday Morning Quarterbacks Robert Clemco
Speaker 1: later on in this episode. But this is a guy
Speaker 1: e a that he knows how to win. But he's
Speaker 1: also someone that said, you know what's his elite skill
Speaker 1: compared to the other three, Well, he would tell you
Speaker 1: that he is more accurate than everybody. He did, in fact,
Speaker 1: tell everybody that in Indianapolis at the combine. He is
Speaker 1: also on record is saying that if you want to
Speaker 1: turn your franchise around, you will pick me. He has
Speaker 1: an unbelievable belief in himself which I think is going
Speaker 1: to draw a lot of folks towards him. Pass At
Speaker 1: Oklahoma last year he led the Sooners to the national
Speaker 1: semifinal where I thought he played very well and George
Speaker 1: and he missed a couple of passes here and there, um,
Speaker 1: but really good feet and highly intelligent as well. I
Speaker 1: know some people are gonna look at it as a
Speaker 1: knock the air raid offense that he comes from in Norman, Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: And then before that you mentioned Texas Tech, But anybody
Speaker 1: you talked to who spent some time with him will
Speaker 1: say that he can diagnose very quickly, not just on
Speaker 1: a board, but the way he plays the game. And
Speaker 1: you actually spoke to Chad Pennington down in Orlando for
Speaker 1: the NFL Annual League Meeting and he said that he
Speaker 1: believes Baker Mayfield is the purest passer of the bunch,
Speaker 1: and he came to that conclusion in Indianapolis when he
Speaker 1: saw him throw at Lucas Oil Stadium. And Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: is one of those guys where the first thing you
Speaker 1: think of is not only his accuracy, but his competitive spirit.
Speaker 1: And we talked about it in our prior episodes. Sam
Speaker 1: Donald's competitive Josh Allen's competitive as well, but this guy
Speaker 1: is very I would say he's the most infectious of
Speaker 1: the bunch. He's someone that really wears his heart on
Speaker 1: his sleeve, and you can tell that he plays the
Speaker 1: game with a lot of emotion. Some people may think, well,
Speaker 1: sometimes a little too much emotion. Because as you saw,
Speaker 1: or maybe as you didn't see, Oklahoma played Kansas. He
Speaker 1: went out for the coin toss as a captain, stuck
Speaker 1: out his hand for a handshake and the Kansas players
Speaker 1: kept their arms behind their back refused to shake his head.
Speaker 1: That seemed to spark him that game Oklahoma one Baker
Speaker 1: looked at the Kansas sideline, grabbed his cross and said,
Speaker 1: go cheer on your hoops team. Kansas did go to
Speaker 1: the Final four, so if they stuck the best ball,
Speaker 1: they'd a good job this year. No, but on a
Speaker 1: serious level, I think, uh, he's got a lot of moxie. Uh.
Speaker 1: Some people would say that he takes it a step
Speaker 1: too far. I think even Baker Mayfield would admit that
Speaker 1: he would like to have that one back. But he's
Speaker 1: an excitable guy. After they went to Ohio State and
Speaker 1: beat the buck guys this year, after getting drilled at
Speaker 1: home in Norman the year before Baker found a flag.
Speaker 1: You know you fled. He tried to plan it at midfield.
Speaker 1: It didn't really work because if you're gonna plan a flag,
Speaker 1: you gotta find grass. Unfortunately in this case, and so
Speaker 1: you're saying it's a technicality. In this case, it was
Speaker 1: just filter. Him and his guys were just having some fun. YEA.
Speaker 1: The more you read about Baker Mayfield, the biggest questions
Speaker 1: teams have aren't about off the field. It's about him
Speaker 1: on the field. And the one thing that you see
Speaker 1: from him a couple of things is that here's a
Speaker 1: guy who's about one inch taller than Russell Wilson. He's
Speaker 1: got a quick release, he doesn't mind pressure. In fact,
Speaker 1: he thrives off a second chance opportunities. I would say
Speaker 1: this is when pro scouts and GM are making the projections.
Speaker 1: I don't think the NFL is built on second chance
Speaker 1: opportunities where Baker could get away with that. I think
Speaker 1: something's at the collegiate level that he might not be
Speaker 1: able to get away with on the next level. With
Speaker 1: that being said, he does a lot of things that
Speaker 1: you like. His feet are good, he can move around
Speaker 1: in the pocket, he can create throwing lanes, incredibly smart,
Speaker 1: he was prolific. Bottom line is I like college players
Speaker 1: who come out and today had success in college, and
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield is a guy who had a lot of
Speaker 1: success on the field. Yeah, I think it's time to
Speaker 1: check in with Robert Clemco because this is someone, like
Speaker 1: you said, is doing a deep dive on Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: What better guy to talk to than so Well that's
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with Baker, had coach Lincoln
Speaker 1: Riley of Oklahoma and all those close to those two.
Speaker 1: Let's check in with Robert clemcol Let's bring in the
Speaker 1: aforementioned Robert Clemco, who's doing tremendous work for Monday Morning Quarterback.
Speaker 1: Right now, Robert, where did this project all start? The
Speaker 1: genesis of you guys taking Baker Mayfield and doing an
Speaker 1: extended series on him. So, you know, I think in
Speaker 1: our industry, we have gotten in the habit of, you know,
Speaker 1: cranking out these profiles of draft prospects, and you know,
Speaker 1: you write a story on a guy and then you
Speaker 1: just kind of move on. And I wanted to do
Speaker 1: something that felt more like I was a scout and
Speaker 1: I was trying to learn everything I could about a
Speaker 1: guy because my job depended on it. Kind of a
Speaker 1: far fetched plan because we didn't think anybody would actually
Speaker 1: agree to it. And our number one choice was Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield in part because you know, he's so talented and
Speaker 1: we knew would be a first round pick, but also,
Speaker 1: you know, the big personality, the off the field question,
Speaker 1: the fact that he has a six ft quarterback, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to fighting against the odds, and that he was
Speaker 1: getting these really crazy comparisons to you know, Johnny Manziel
Speaker 1: and Drew Brees and Russell Wilson. I mean, the comparisons
Speaker 1: that this kid has just kind of run the gamut.
Speaker 1: So we asked him, and you know, to our surprise,
Speaker 1: he was completely down with it. And I think that
Speaker 1: over the course of the series, I realized why, and
Speaker 1: I think they felt that he was getting an unfair
Speaker 1: wrap in terms of that Manzel comparison, and they felt
Speaker 1: like an honest examination would kind of reveal that it's
Speaker 1: really good stuff. We're gonna get into it right now
Speaker 1: on the Fishal Judge podcast, but we follow you on
Speaker 1: Twitter as well, and I like that you put out
Speaker 1: in a tweet the other day, he said people are
Speaker 1: complex and evolving and can't be reduced to a quote
Speaker 1: or a paragraph, and that I think to a T.
Speaker 1: Fitz Baker Mayfield. Yeah, yeah, Well, And what I was
Speaker 1: talking about was we had just put out a story
Speaker 1: that talked about how he's motivated by criticism and slights,
Speaker 1: whether it's media, whether it's other players, and you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. He goes so far as to keep
Speaker 1: screenshots of tweets by media members in his phone as motivation,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people are motivated that way.
Speaker 1: But I talked to Joe Thomas and Russell Wilson, and
Speaker 1: those guys talked about how as a quarterback, especially as
Speaker 1: a rookie, going into a situation where you may not
Speaker 1: have a lot of success early on, you have to
Speaker 1: be more insular than that. You can't rely on outside
Speaker 1: criticism to motivate you, because there's gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of it and at some point it's gonna get overwhelming.
Speaker 1: What's kind of annoying about Twitter is that you write
Speaker 1: a story like that as part of a larger series,
Speaker 1: thinking what you hope is an honest look at a guy,
Speaker 1: and everybody latches onto that and says, oh, he's a
Speaker 1: bus right. Uh, there's no way he's going to succeed
Speaker 1: in the NFL because of this one thing. And I
Speaker 1: think social media in a lot of ways, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to sound like an old fogey here, but
Speaker 1: it's kind of cheapened our discourse on this sort of
Speaker 1: thing and allows people to just confirm the biases that
Speaker 1: they already have. That's something that I wanted to try to,
Speaker 1: you know, overcome with this series. What something you were
Speaker 1: expecting to learn about Mayfield and maybe it was kind
Speaker 1: of your own thoughts are in versus what you know now?
Speaker 1: Is there kind of a discrepancy there? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't follow college football extremely closely, Like I probably
Speaker 1: watched three or four of Baker's games in prime time
Speaker 1: just because you know, we cover the NFL and on
Speaker 1: Saturdays it's kind of like my day off. So I
Speaker 1: went into what was kind of a clean slate. But
Speaker 1: you do read about the crotch grabbing and specifically the
Speaker 1: arrest back in you know, last spring in Faytteville, Arkansas,
Speaker 1: running away from the cops, and usually I think you assume,
Speaker 1: and you rightly assume, that this is not like the
Speaker 1: first time that he's ever been in a jam like this.
Speaker 1: It's just the first time he got caught, right. So,
Speaker 1: the first thing I did when they agreed to, you know,
Speaker 1: be interviewed for the series and kind of aid in
Speaker 1: the logistics of it and all that, was to file
Speaker 1: open records requests with police jurisdictions in Austin, Texas, where
Speaker 1: he's from, Lubbock, where he went to Texas Tech Norman
Speaker 1: with the Sheriff's Department in the city police department there,
Speaker 1: and also Arkansas pett Ville, Arkansas, for any records that
Speaker 1: mentioned the name Baker Mayfield, and all of these police
Speaker 1: stations and entities are obligated to pass along those records
Speaker 1: within a pretty reasonable amount of time. So I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, we would find something that you know, I'm
Speaker 1: acting like a scout. I'm trying to find a dig
Speaker 1: up dirt, and I was pretty confident that I would
Speaker 1: find something. And I didn't. You know, we got back
Speaker 1: only the stuff that had already been reported about Baker
Speaker 1: in Arkansas and nothing else. And I think that was
Speaker 1: a surprise to me, and I began to understand why
Speaker 1: they even agreed to do this in the first place.
Speaker 1: Has he lost any of it? Through your examination of
Speaker 1: what made him Baker may Feel the guy who went
Speaker 1: to Texas Tech and battled for the job there, then
Speaker 1: transferred to Oklahoma. He came in there, took that job,
Speaker 1: and then never looked back. Now he is a star
Speaker 1: and he's about to get drafted, probably in the first round.
Speaker 1: You would think Barne something really unforeseen right now along
Speaker 1: the way as he's grabbed all this attention and a
Speaker 1: fandom from folks out there. Has he ever lost what
Speaker 1: made him Baker Mayfield. He told an interesting story to
Speaker 1: me that you know I'm gonna feature in the magazine,
Speaker 1: and he talked about how he wanted to go to
Speaker 1: Florida Atlantic because they had offered him them in Washington
Speaker 1: State were the only two teams that had offered him
Speaker 1: coming out of high school, even though he'd gone to
Speaker 1: this extremely prestigious program like Travis and they won the
Speaker 1: state championship every other year, and Michael Brewer was a
Speaker 1: quarterback there and Garret Gilbert, like just a string of
Speaker 1: incredible quarterbacks that went on to college success. Baker didn't
Speaker 1: get recruited, I think as a byproduct of how successful
Speaker 1: that program was and a lot of people felt that
Speaker 1: he was a system quarterback even then. So he wanted
Speaker 1: to go to Florida Atlantic, and he was kind of
Speaker 1: afraid to tell his dad because he knew his dad
Speaker 1: wanted him to, you know, go bigger. And his dad said, look,
Speaker 1: you can do better than this. I mean, you've been
Speaker 1: able to prove people wrong your entire high school career.
Speaker 1: Why not walk on somewhere you want to go. And
Speaker 1: they got enormous argument about it because Baker wanted to
Speaker 1: go somewhere he was wanted. And then at the end
Speaker 1: of it, Baker decided that he was going to walk
Speaker 1: on at Texas Tech. And then he had that decision
Speaker 1: immediately validated by starting as a freshman winning the Big
Speaker 1: twelve Freshman of the Year award. And I think that
Speaker 1: that success and that that kind of bet that he
Speaker 1: made on himself, he just kept doubling down on that
Speaker 1: and doubling down on that, and he was so smart
Speaker 1: and how he went about winning those two jobs. We
Speaker 1: talked about, you know, the hard work and all of
Speaker 1: the preparation that he had to go through, not knowing
Speaker 1: if he was gonna have an opportunity, but he also
Speaker 1: talked about making sure that you're asking the right questions,
Speaker 1: not just so that you're getting necessary information, so that
Speaker 1: people know that you're asking the right questions and people
Speaker 1: notice it. I think he was really great at putting
Speaker 1: in the work but also being noticed and recognized for
Speaker 1: that work. And people say, you know, he's not a
Speaker 1: CEO and he's not enough of a politician to be
Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback. I think the opposite it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think this guy is crafty as hell. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we're speaking to Robert klem Go Monday Morning quarterback who
Speaker 1: also doubled down in sports illustraight, and we'll be looking
Speaker 1: for more work from him in the weeks. I had
Speaker 1: as we get closer to the draft, you said that
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield has leaned on chair Pennyton somewhat as a mentor.
Speaker 1: Can you talk about that a little bit. Yeah, Chad
Speaker 1: is sort of a mentor to a lot of guys
Speaker 1: at the combine. Through this NFL Legends program, he ends up,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of shepherding these quarterbacks through all these
Speaker 1: various parts of that process. And then he was also
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl talking to players. So I think
Speaker 1: he's trying to step into this role of coach mentor
Speaker 1: to the stars, and I think Baker has found in
Speaker 1: him kind of an impartial ear and somebody he can
Speaker 1: bounce things off of, and somebody who can give advice
Speaker 1: that Baker knows isn't coming from a place of you know,
Speaker 1: trying to benefit off of Baker success or anything like
Speaker 1: that or piggyback off of his name. And one of
Speaker 1: the things that Chad has tried to do is to
Speaker 1: curtail these instincts and Baker that leave people to think
Speaker 1: that he's not the CEO type. One of my stories
Speaker 1: in the series I lead with Baker kind of blowing
Speaker 1: off the Brown Scout because you know why the Browns
Speaker 1: trying to interview me, knowing they just drafted mental Trabiski,
Speaker 1: and Chad Pennington has tried to dissuade him of that
Speaker 1: and just tell him, you know, there's thirty two teams
Speaker 1: out there and in four years you might end up
Speaker 1: playing for that Scout that you just blew off. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that it's been a learning process for Baker
Speaker 1: and it was really important for him to meet Chat
Speaker 1: early on in this offseason. You went through a film
Speaker 1: breakdown with Oklahoma head coach Lincoln Riley, And I know
Speaker 1: one of the Knox per se on Baker is that
Speaker 1: you know he's coming from an offense stats quarterback friendly.
Speaker 1: So can you just dive into a little bit more
Speaker 1: detail on what Lincoln Riley and maybe even you think
Speaker 1: that Baker will translate to a successful quarterback just bite
Speaker 1: his offensive scheme in college. Yeah, well, I think we
Speaker 1: all have this view of the up tempo variations on
Speaker 1: the spread offense. You know, whether it's the blur or
Speaker 1: the air raid where the quarterback looks over to the
Speaker 1: sideline and he gets a call, or he looks at
Speaker 1: a picture of you know, Oscar the Grouch or something,
Speaker 1: and then everybody knows that that's the play they're running,
Speaker 1: and then the sideline is completely orchestrating the whole thing.
Speaker 1: That's a little bit of a stereotype in a lot
Speaker 1: of cases, especially with quarterbacks that have a lot of
Speaker 1: experience in a program and with a particular coach in
Speaker 1: that offense. And I think Baker has been an exception
Speaker 1: in the same way that Patrick Mahomes a Texas Tech
Speaker 1: was an exception. In sitting down with Lincoln Riley, it
Speaker 1: it really helped me understand, and I hope it help
Speaker 1: readers understand how much he grew within that offense, because
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of these coaches are asking of Riley.
Speaker 1: How much can we put on him early on and
Speaker 1: how quickly is he going to be able to process it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that he got a real sense
Speaker 1: from the Jets in his vis it with them that
Speaker 1: it wasn't a boiler plate interview, that they had already
Speaker 1: done some research and watched a lot of film of
Speaker 1: Oklahoma football, and that Jeremy Bates was already, you know,
Speaker 1: putting together some offensive concepts that would translate to the
Speaker 1: NFL from Oklahoma in the event that they did draft Baker.
Speaker 1: So that interview really stood out to him because they
Speaker 1: were doing some of the same things that I was
Speaker 1: doing with Lincoln Riley and trying to learn, you know,
Speaker 1: what Baker's responsibilities were and how quickly he could take
Speaker 1: on information at the next level. That was great layout
Speaker 1: on that article because not only are you speaking to
Speaker 1: it with pros, but the video of the actual plays
Speaker 1: was incorporated in those articles. So that was very good.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that. I just don't click on it
Speaker 1: in six months when all the television broadcast was playing
Speaker 1: the YouTube right, so it's working right now, so it's
Speaker 1: all good. Something else that stood out to me Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: He's a pretty intelligent cat, isn't he. You wrote that
Speaker 1: there was a quarterback prospect this year who was scored
Speaker 1: in the top a hundred on an a i Q test,
Speaker 1: which is basically an intelligence test for prospects coming out,
Speaker 1: and that's out of more than four thousand tests, and
Speaker 1: this person was the second highest scoring quarterback out of
Speaker 1: sixty three who have taken the tests since two thousand twelve.
Speaker 1: You said, you've got a couple of sources saying that
Speaker 1: guy is Baker Mayfield. Yeah, and it's a it's a
Speaker 1: new intelligence test that's been used with the combines since
Speaker 1: two thousands twelve that's meant to replace the wonder like
Speaker 1: because the wonderlick does have a lot of cultural and
Speaker 1: language biases and hasn't really been shown to correlate directly
Speaker 1: to NFL success. So this doctor, Scott Goldman, was a
Speaker 1: sports psychologist, spent the last ten fifteen years developing this
Speaker 1: test that he has now found a positive correlation between
Speaker 1: a high score and success and playing time. Early on
Speaker 1: in an NFL career. So it's only been since two
Speaker 1: thousand twelve, so obviously the sample side isn't that huge,
Speaker 1: but sixty three quarterbacks have taken this thing, and Baker
Speaker 1: was the second highest score. It's valued by a couple
Speaker 1: of teams in the NFL who subscribed to all the
Speaker 1: testing results, and those teams two teams are secret, and
Speaker 1: then five or six other teams in the NFL will
Speaker 1: then pay at a premium for say their top one
Speaker 1: draft prospects results on that test. So I think it's
Speaker 1: something that you know, we're gonna hear about more often
Speaker 1: in years to come. It's a very new thing into combine. Robert,
Speaker 1: what do you think his most elite physical quality is?
Speaker 1: Because when I'm always asked about Baker Mayfield, I said, well,
Speaker 1: the first thing that stands out to anybody is this
Speaker 1: guy is so driven. He is super competitive. You can
Speaker 1: see that without knowing him. But you've been in his
Speaker 1: camp per se for a few months, You've t talk
Speaker 1: to people around him. What about his physical qualities? What
Speaker 1: stands out to you the most? You know, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have a spectacular arm. He's not going to allow you
Speaker 1: with a seventy yard throw downfield, you know, on the money,
Speaker 1: like a Josh Allen is. He's not a big guy.
Speaker 1: He's not a fast guy. You know, he runs for
Speaker 1: eight and people compare to Russell Wilson, but Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: is way faster than Baker Mayfield, way more athletic. I
Speaker 1: think the thing that stands out and the kind of
Speaker 1: this analytics and statistics fact this up is that his
Speaker 1: accuracy when throwing on the run or when pressured when
Speaker 1: backing up, moving side to side, moving forward is almost
Speaker 1: identical to his accuracy when he's got a clean pocket.
Speaker 1: And that's a special thing and a and a very
Speaker 1: necessary thing when you're six foot tall, because you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to be moving around and trying to
Speaker 1: find passing lanes, trying to create opportunities that maybe comes
Speaker 1: more easier to six foot five quarterbacks. But just watching
Speaker 1: film with Riley, that's one thing that he pointed out
Speaker 1: is that in practice, Baker would rarely just drop back
Speaker 1: in a seven on seven drill and just sling it
Speaker 1: from a comfortable position, even if there was nobody around him.
Speaker 1: He was falling to his right or falling away, falling
Speaker 1: left evading imaginary pressure in order to replicate some of
Speaker 1: the things that he would face in games. And I
Speaker 1: think that work really showed in two thousands seventeen. You
Speaker 1: wrote early on in the series that potentially you thought
Speaker 1: Baker may feel hit ten Destinations says that let's grown
Speaker 1: or shrunk. Do you think, yeah, I think it's shrunk.
Speaker 1: I think that as it's become clear that he's, you know,
Speaker 1: closer to being a top five pick than top fifteen pick,
Speaker 1: there are teams that probably would have taken a lookout
Speaker 1: at him, but you know, aren't willing to trade up
Speaker 1: into that spot. I would say that list is probably
Speaker 1: five teams at this point. I think you have to
Speaker 1: consider the Bills and Dolphins, but they would have to
Speaker 1: trade up early in the first round. I think that
Speaker 1: the Jets, the Broncos, and the Browns are probably your
Speaker 1: top three right now in terms of candidates for Baker.
Speaker 1: And I know that everybody has mocked Sam Donald to
Speaker 1: the Browns, but I don't think they've made that distinction
Speaker 1: yet there. I think they're loving that everybody thinks they've
Speaker 1: made up their minds. Well, and you know this very well,
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson said Baker Mayfield the pied Piper of Oklahoma football.
Speaker 1: When do you think about that? It's weird. I heard
Speaker 1: that same phrase from GM at another team, just kind
Speaker 1: of independent of that. It's a it's a popular kind
Speaker 1: of football colloquialism, but there's some meaning to it. But
Speaker 1: I guess what they're trying to say is that he
Speaker 1: kind of has a cult of personality down at Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: and that's what you want to see out of a
Speaker 1: quarterback that's going to be your franchise guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: when scouts went down to Texas A and M, for instance,
Speaker 1: to investigate Johnny Manzel, there was no shortage of people
Speaker 1: that would talk trash about Johnny that were connected to
Speaker 1: that program. But you can't find anybody to talk trash
Speaker 1: about Baker Mayfield at Oklahoma. And I'm sure that's, you know,
Speaker 1: similar with a lot of these other quarterbacks in the
Speaker 1: top of the first round. I think it's kind of
Speaker 1: a prerequisite if you're gonna draft a quarterback in the
Speaker 1: first that he's got a really humongous following among the
Speaker 1: people that he worked with every day in college. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you what. Robert Klemco Monday Morning Quarterback, also you
Speaker 1: can find his work in Sports illustrated. Speaking to that,
Speaker 1: you talked to tight on Mark Andrews is gonna be
Speaker 1: playing on Sundays as well. He said that makefield puts
Speaker 1: you in good spaces. And he's a guy who comes in,
Speaker 1: he works hard, and he thinks he can flip a
Speaker 1: program around on the next level. Yeah, Andrews is, you know,
Speaker 1: was his probably top receiver in two thousand seventeen. And
Speaker 1: it was interesting talking to him because so much had
Speaker 1: changed for them from two thousand and sixteen and two
Speaker 1: thousand and seventeen. I mean, they had been a very
Speaker 1: vertical offense. In thousand and sixteen. They had Dede Westbrook,
Speaker 1: who was like one of the fastest players in college
Speaker 1: football that year, and and when he and a group
Speaker 1: of senior wide receivers moved on, Andrews was by far
Speaker 1: the most talented and most experienced receiver in that offense.
Speaker 1: And they really had to adapt, you know, what they
Speaker 1: were doing to kind of fit the personnel. And I
Speaker 1: think that's another thing that NFL teams looked at, how
Speaker 1: did Baker respond to kind of deficiencies around the roster
Speaker 1: where there had been done previously Robert through all your
Speaker 1: time with Baker and Lincoln Riley and people close to
Speaker 1: Baker is do you have like an anecdote or a
Speaker 1: story that maybe not a lot of people know about
Speaker 1: that really sticks out to you about Baker Mayfield, either
Speaker 1: the player or the person. You know. I I've been
Speaker 1: really impressed with his patients. I think that it was
Speaker 1: one of the most unique things about this whole thing,
Speaker 1: has been working with his agents, because he did not
Speaker 1: pick mega football agents. You know, he didn't pick Cia
Speaker 1: or Drew Rosenhouse or any of those other guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: he went with some guys that have a really small
Speaker 1: firm in Bowld of Colorado, who has some Oklahoma connections.
Speaker 1: And I think that he's more of a home body
Speaker 1: than people realize. I remember a story from Jack Mills,
Speaker 1: the agent who recruited Baker, and they were, you know,
Speaker 1: in a pitch meeting and Jack handed Baker a sheet
Speaker 1: with salary the top thirty two guys drafted last year,
Speaker 1: so you know, every every one of these first round
Speaker 1: picks has a slotted salary and bonus compensation. And people
Speaker 1: were talking at that time in early January about Baker being,
Speaker 1: you know, a mid round pick, maybe the nineteenth pick
Speaker 1: to the Chargers or Washington. Uh there in the middle
Speaker 1: of the first round, and Baker drew a line under
Speaker 1: the fifth pick and said, I'm not going below this pick.
Speaker 1: He kind of has this unreal self confidence that he
Speaker 1: can make things happen that he actually has no control over,
Speaker 1: and things just kind of happened to work out for him,
Speaker 1: but really over his whole life. And I think that
Speaker 1: as much as you want to say people down in
Speaker 1: Oklahoma kind of believe in him unconditionally, he believes in
Speaker 1: himself even more than that. And lastly, for me, Robert
Speaker 1: is I'm not asking you to predict the future, but
Speaker 1: what kind of pro quarterback do you think he is
Speaker 1: going to be? I can't say, you know, I think
Speaker 1: that so much of it depends on the situation these
Speaker 1: guys are in. I mean, you look at how many
Speaker 1: talented n c A quarterbacks who came in the NFL
Speaker 1: with high pedigrees and a lot of expectations kind of
Speaker 1: wilted when there was changeover within an organization, when his
Speaker 1: offensive line was absolutely trash, and when the media criticism
Speaker 1: weighed heavy, when there was competition there that he didn't expect,
Speaker 1: and wasn't really ready to cope with. You know, all
Speaker 1: of those are factors. It's the great unknown. You know,
Speaker 1: there are people that still swear that Chad Henning would
Speaker 1: be a franchise quarterback in the NFL if he hadn't
Speaker 1: been drafted by the Jaguards. Um so I can't say
Speaker 1: I do. I would say that I have met, you know,
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in this league before and been around successful quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I live in Denver cover Peyton Manning, and I think
Speaker 1: that Baker has a lot of the same qualities of
Speaker 1: these guys in terms of the work ethic, and that's
Speaker 1: gonna be one of the most important things, right, fascinating stuff.
Speaker 1: You're doing. Tremendous work, Robert Klumco. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's always great to catch up with a former terror pin.
Speaker 1: I graduated from the University of Maryland, probably a little
Speaker 1: bit before you, Robert, I graduated in But hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we really enjoyed catching up with you. Maybe we can
Speaker 1: talk in the future. And uh, keep up the great work.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me go to great stuff there. From
Speaker 1: Robert Klumco of Monday Morning Quarterback. YEA, something I thought
Speaker 1: was very interesting. He said, a lot of pro comps
Speaker 1: lead to Russell Wilson and Baker Mayfield from a comparison
Speaker 1: perspect to, but they're very different. And I told you
Speaker 1: this before on the Official Jezz podcast a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago. My own personal comp for what it's worth,
Speaker 1: take it or leave it from a pure pocket awareness
Speaker 1: and mobility perspective, is someone who calls games for CBS,
Speaker 1: and that is Tony Robo because he can dance in
Speaker 1: the pocket, He makes guys miss, he's accurate, and if
Speaker 1: he needs to hold chucking and run after he looks downfield,
Speaker 1: isn't wrong A little bit taller. I understand what you're saying,
Speaker 1: and that's if you're a Baker Mayfield fan, you like
Speaker 1: that comparison because I think Tony Romo was a very
Speaker 1: good quarterback. With all that being said, it is so
Speaker 1: hard to project these guys on the next level. So
Speaker 1: scouts and GMS, when you're looking at Baker Mayfield, when
Speaker 1: you're looking at josh An, when you're looking at josh Rosen,
Speaker 1: when you're looking at Sam Donald, you have to say,
Speaker 1: what structure do we have in place, what is our system?
Speaker 1: And who is the guy to best match it. I
Speaker 1: think it's fascinating where Clump goes said, hey, listen, Mayfield,
Speaker 1: he drew a line after that number five pick that
Speaker 1: was that was a good anecdote right there. So Mayfield,
Speaker 1: of course, that's what you expect from him, that he
Speaker 1: thinks that he is one of the top player. He
Speaker 1: thinks he thinks he's the top player in this draft,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't think it will get past five. And
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who agree with him.
Speaker 1: Tony Romo six. Not a big height discrepancy there between
Speaker 1: those two. So I talked. I talked to Jim Miller
Speaker 1: at the league meetings and he said he thought that
Speaker 1: the West Coast system that Jeremy Bates will run next
Speaker 1: year here with the Jets, and obviously he's a protege
Speaker 1: and Mike Shanahanna and denver Um he thinks would be
Speaker 1: a great fit for Baker Mayfield. And you also spoke
Speaker 1: to Albert Brier, and I thought what he said it
Speaker 1: was very interesting too, is he said, we'll look at
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and try to see what is similar to
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and in these four quarterbacks, because Jeremy Bates
Speaker 1: comes from the Shanahan tree, and Shanahan coach Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 1: and they're multiple Shanahan. So let me be clear here,
Speaker 1: Bates worked under Mike Shanahan, Shanahan's son, Kyle coach Cousins.
Speaker 1: So just to make sure the dominoes are in full effect,
Speaker 1: there there is some kind of tie to a Shanahan
Speaker 1: system and Jeremy Bates. And therefore Albert Brier said, try
Speaker 1: to look for some qualities and some of these guys,
Speaker 1: like Kirk Cousins. One of those guys that has similar
Speaker 1: qualities and none of these guys are a perfect match
Speaker 1: is Baker Mayfield. We'll tell you what. And the other
Speaker 1: thing is, I think that there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people who are Jets fans right now who love the
Speaker 1: kids passion, his compete level, his moxie, his hey, get
Speaker 1: on board with me and I'm gonna lead you to
Speaker 1: the promised Land. I think there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people out there, not only in the Jets fan base,
Speaker 1: but and fan bases throughout the National Football League where
Speaker 1: you know, this becomes an attractive player and an attractive
Speaker 1: person at a prominent position. But you cannot argue with
Speaker 1: what he did in college on the field and Klemco said, Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: he was so well liked within the building and Norman,
Speaker 1: within that program, anywhere where he played. He was a
Speaker 1: natural leader. And you know, he isn't Russell Wilson because
Speaker 1: he doesn't have that kind of athleticism in terms of speed,
Speaker 1: but he does possess very good feed and he's got
Speaker 1: a quick release. He's not afraid to stand in there
Speaker 1: and take a shot or try to avoid a guy,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna compete his tail off to the very
Speaker 1: end no matter what happens, what happens with a pro career,
Speaker 1: we don't know. It's gonna be fascinating to find out,
Speaker 1: but I'm really interested to see where this guy goes
Speaker 1: on draft weekend. I am too. And something I thought
Speaker 1: Clemco said which was extremely interesting is in practice, he's
Speaker 1: making all these off balance throws because he's trying to
Speaker 1: simulate what it would be like when he's escaping pressure
Speaker 1: in a live situation. And you know, being six one,
Speaker 1: maybe that's some of the things that you need to
Speaker 1: do and try to put yourself in different situations and practice.
Speaker 1: So when a big defensive lineman's running at you, you're
Speaker 1: rolling out to your right or your left and you're
Speaker 1: you're throwing dimes. If you're Baker Man, I'll tell you what,
Speaker 1: he'd be the guy you want to play with, you know,
Speaker 1: when you were growing up and you're playing tackle football
Speaker 1: at the park, because he's the guys all you're gonna
Speaker 1: keep the play alive and you're never gonna get him down,
Speaker 1: and he just guy's gonna stay out there that pass
Speaker 1: the time. When his mom calls him in for dinner,
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna say, I got I got some
Speaker 1: more play than Baker Mayfield. Yeah he was. He wasn't
Speaker 1: in this video game, but he would be a tremendous
Speaker 1: asset to NFL Street to the video game. It was
Speaker 1: a great game. If you've never played it, you should
Speaker 1: go play. And that's all we have here on the
Speaker 1: Official Jets Podcast, Baker Mayfield Edition. Next episode, we're gonna
Speaker 1: keep it in sunny California. That's gonna be the Josh
Speaker 1: Rosen Dissect again. We'll have Sam Farmer on yet again
Speaker 1: on the Official Jets Podcast. There you have it for
Speaker 1: Eric Allen, I'm Ethan Greenberg.