1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Like games over the world, you twenty to win the game. 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 1: He's got a Jet touchdown Chamblin. You're listening to the 3 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: Official New York Jets Podcast, a Jets three sixty production 4 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: Beethan Greenberg and Eric Allen. Here on the Official Jets 5 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: Podcast again the NFL Draft Imminent, Imminent, Imminent e A. Today, 6 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: we're diving in on one of the more polarizing quarterback prospects, 7 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, the seventeen Heisman Trophy winner. This guy has 8 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: video game statistics when you look at him online, walked 9 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: on at Texas Tech, transferred to Oklahoma, walked on there. 10 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: We're gonna speak to the Monday Morning Quarterbacks Robert Clemco 11 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: later on in this episode. But this is a guy 12 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: e a that he knows how to win. But he's 13 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: also someone that said, you know what's his elite skill 14 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: compared to the other three, Well, he would tell you 15 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: that he is more accurate than everybody. He did, in fact, 16 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: tell everybody that in Indianapolis at the combine. He is 17 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: also on record is saying that if you want to 18 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: turn your franchise around, you will pick me. He has 19 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 1: an unbelievable belief in himself which I think is going 20 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 1: to draw a lot of folks towards him. Pass At 21 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: Oklahoma last year he led the Sooners to the national 22 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 1: semifinal where I thought he played very well and George 23 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: and he missed a couple of passes here and there, um, 24 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: but really good feet and highly intelligent as well. I 25 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: know some people are gonna look at it as a 26 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: knock the air raid offense that he comes from in Norman, Oklahoma. 27 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: And then before that you mentioned Texas Tech, But anybody 28 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: you talked to who spent some time with him will 29 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: say that he can diagnose very quickly, not just on 30 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: a board, but the way he plays the game. And 31 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: you actually spoke to Chad Pennington down in Orlando for 32 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: the NFL Annual League Meeting and he said that he 33 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: believes Baker Mayfield is the purest passer of the bunch, 34 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: and he came to that conclusion in Indianapolis when he 35 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: saw him throw at Lucas Oil Stadium. And Baker Mayfield 36 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: is one of those guys where the first thing you 37 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: think of is not only his accuracy, but his competitive spirit. 38 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: And we talked about it in our prior episodes. Sam 39 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: Donald's competitive Josh Allen's competitive as well, but this guy 40 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: is very I would say he's the most infectious of 41 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: the bunch. He's someone that really wears his heart on 42 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: his sleeve, and you can tell that he plays the 43 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: game with a lot of emotion. Some people may think, well, 44 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: sometimes a little too much emotion. Because as you saw, 45 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: or maybe as you didn't see, Oklahoma played Kansas. He 46 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: went out for the coin toss as a captain, stuck 47 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: out his hand for a handshake and the Kansas players 48 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: kept their arms behind their back refused to shake his head. 49 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: That seemed to spark him that game Oklahoma one Baker 50 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: looked at the Kansas sideline, grabbed his cross and said, 51 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: go cheer on your hoops team. Kansas did go to 52 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: the Final four, so if they stuck the best ball, 53 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: they'd a good job this year. No, but on a 54 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: serious level, I think, uh, he's got a lot of moxie. Uh. 55 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: Some people would say that he takes it a step 56 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: too far. I think even Baker Mayfield would admit that 57 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: he would like to have that one back. But he's 58 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: an excitable guy. After they went to Ohio State and 59 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: beat the buck guys this year, after getting drilled at 60 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: home in Norman the year before Baker found a flag. 61 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: You know you fled. He tried to plan it at midfield. 62 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: It didn't really work because if you're gonna plan a flag, 63 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: you gotta find grass. Unfortunately in this case, and so 64 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: you're saying it's a technicality. In this case, it was 65 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: just filter. Him and his guys were just having some fun. YEA. 66 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: The more you read about Baker Mayfield, the biggest questions 67 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: teams have aren't about off the field. It's about him 68 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: on the field. And the one thing that you see 69 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: from him a couple of things is that here's a 70 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: guy who's about one inch taller than Russell Wilson. He's 71 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: got a quick release, he doesn't mind pressure. In fact, 72 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: he thrives off a second chance opportunities. I would say 73 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: this is when pro scouts and GM are making the projections. 74 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: I don't think the NFL is built on second chance 75 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: opportunities where Baker could get away with that. I think 76 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: something's at the collegiate level that he might not be 77 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: able to get away with on the next level. With 78 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: that being said, he does a lot of things that 79 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: you like. His feet are good, he can move around 80 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: in the pocket, he can create throwing lanes, incredibly smart, 81 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: he was prolific. Bottom line is I like college players 82 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: who come out and today had success in college, and 83 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield is a guy who had a lot of 84 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: success on the field. Yeah, I think it's time to 85 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: check in with Robert Clemco because this is someone, like 86 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: you said, is doing a deep dive on Baker Mayfield. 87 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: What better guy to talk to than so Well that's 88 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with Baker, had coach Lincoln 89 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: Riley of Oklahoma and all those close to those two. 90 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: Let's check in with Robert clemcol Let's bring in the 91 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: aforementioned Robert Clemco, who's doing tremendous work for Monday Morning Quarterback. 92 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: Right now, Robert, where did this project all start? The 93 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: genesis of you guys taking Baker Mayfield and doing an 94 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: extended series on him. So, you know, I think in 95 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: our industry, we have gotten in the habit of, you know, 96 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 1: cranking out these profiles of draft prospects, and you know, 97 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: you write a story on a guy and then you 98 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: just kind of move on. And I wanted to do 99 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: something that felt more like I was a scout and 100 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: I was trying to learn everything I could about a 101 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: guy because my job depended on it. Kind of a 102 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: far fetched plan because we didn't think anybody would actually 103 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: agree to it. And our number one choice was Baker 104 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: Mayfield in part because you know, he's so talented and 105 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: we knew would be a first round pick, but also, 106 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: you know, the big personality, the off the field question, 107 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: the fact that he has a six ft quarterback, you know, 108 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: trying to fighting against the odds, and that he was 109 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: getting these really crazy comparisons to you know, Johnny Manziel 110 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: and Drew Brees and Russell Wilson. I mean, the comparisons 111 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: that this kid has just kind of run the gamut. 112 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: So we asked him, and you know, to our surprise, 113 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: he was completely down with it. And I think that 114 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: over the course of the series, I realized why, and 115 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: I think they felt that he was getting an unfair 116 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: wrap in terms of that Manzel comparison, and they felt 117 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: like an honest examination would kind of reveal that it's 118 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: really good stuff. We're gonna get into it right now 119 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: on the Fishal Judge podcast, but we follow you on 120 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: Twitter as well, and I like that you put out 121 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: in a tweet the other day, he said people are 122 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: complex and evolving and can't be reduced to a quote 123 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: or a paragraph, and that I think to a T. 124 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: Fitz Baker Mayfield. Yeah, yeah, Well, And what I was 125 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: talking about was we had just put out a story 126 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: that talked about how he's motivated by criticism and slights, 127 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: whether it's media, whether it's other players, and you know 128 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: what I mean. He goes so far as to keep 129 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: screenshots of tweets by media members in his phone as motivation, 130 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people are motivated that way. 131 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: But I talked to Joe Thomas and Russell Wilson, and 132 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: those guys talked about how as a quarterback, especially as 133 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: a rookie, going into a situation where you may not 134 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: have a lot of success early on, you have to 135 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: be more insular than that. You can't rely on outside 136 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: criticism to motivate you, because there's gonna be a lot 137 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: of it and at some point it's gonna get overwhelming. 138 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: What's kind of annoying about Twitter is that you write 139 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: a story like that as part of a larger series, 140 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: thinking what you hope is an honest look at a guy, 141 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: and everybody latches onto that and says, oh, he's a 142 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: bus right. Uh, there's no way he's going to succeed 143 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: in the NFL because of this one thing. And I 144 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: think social media in a lot of ways, and I 145 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: don't want to sound like an old fogey here, but 146 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: it's kind of cheapened our discourse on this sort of 147 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: thing and allows people to just confirm the biases that 148 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: they already have. That's something that I wanted to try to, 149 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: you know, overcome with this series. What something you were 150 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: expecting to learn about Mayfield and maybe it was kind 151 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: of your own thoughts are in versus what you know now? 152 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: Is there kind of a discrepancy there? Well, you know, 153 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: I don't follow college football extremely closely, Like I probably 154 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: watched three or four of Baker's games in prime time 155 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: just because you know, we cover the NFL and on 156 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: Saturdays it's kind of like my day off. So I 157 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: went into what was kind of a clean slate. But 158 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: you do read about the crotch grabbing and specifically the 159 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: arrest back in you know, last spring in Faytteville, Arkansas, 160 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: running away from the cops, and usually I think you assume, 161 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: and you rightly assume, that this is not like the 162 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: first time that he's ever been in a jam like this. 163 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: It's just the first time he got caught, right. So, 164 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: the first thing I did when they agreed to, you know, 165 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 1: be interviewed for the series and kind of aid in 166 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: the logistics of it and all that, was to file 167 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: open records requests with police jurisdictions in Austin, Texas, where 168 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: he's from, Lubbock, where he went to Texas Tech Norman 169 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: with the Sheriff's Department in the city police department there, 170 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: and also Arkansas pett Ville, Arkansas, for any records that 171 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: mentioned the name Baker Mayfield, and all of these police 172 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: stations and entities are obligated to pass along those records 173 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: within a pretty reasonable amount of time. So I think that, 174 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: you know, we would find something that you know, I'm 175 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: acting like a scout. I'm trying to find a dig 176 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: up dirt, and I was pretty confident that I would 177 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: find something. And I didn't. You know, we got back 178 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: only the stuff that had already been reported about Baker 179 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: in Arkansas and nothing else. And I think that was 180 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: a surprise to me, and I began to understand why 181 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: they even agreed to do this in the first place. 182 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: Has he lost any of it? Through your examination of 183 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: what made him Baker may Feel the guy who went 184 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: to Texas Tech and battled for the job there, then 185 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: transferred to Oklahoma. He came in there, took that job, 186 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: and then never looked back. Now he is a star 187 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: and he's about to get drafted, probably in the first round. 188 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: You would think Barne something really unforeseen right now along 189 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: the way as he's grabbed all this attention and a 190 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: fandom from folks out there. Has he ever lost what 191 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: made him Baker Mayfield. He told an interesting story to 192 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: me that you know I'm gonna feature in the magazine, 193 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: and he talked about how he wanted to go to 194 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: Florida Atlantic because they had offered him them in Washington 195 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: State were the only two teams that had offered him 196 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: coming out of high school, even though he'd gone to 197 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: this extremely prestigious program like Travis and they won the 198 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: state championship every other year, and Michael Brewer was a 199 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: quarterback there and Garret Gilbert, like just a string of 200 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: incredible quarterbacks that went on to college success. Baker didn't 201 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: get recruited, I think as a byproduct of how successful 202 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: that program was and a lot of people felt that 203 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: he was a system quarterback even then. So he wanted 204 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: to go to Florida Atlantic, and he was kind of 205 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: afraid to tell his dad because he knew his dad 206 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: wanted him to, you know, go bigger. And his dad said, look, 207 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: you can do better than this. I mean, you've been 208 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: able to prove people wrong your entire high school career. 209 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: Why not walk on somewhere you want to go. And 210 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: they got enormous argument about it because Baker wanted to 211 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: go somewhere he was wanted. And then at the end 212 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: of it, Baker decided that he was going to walk 213 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: on at Texas Tech. And then he had that decision 214 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: immediately validated by starting as a freshman winning the Big 215 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: twelve Freshman of the Year award. And I think that 216 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: that success and that that kind of bet that he 217 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: made on himself, he just kept doubling down on that 218 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: and doubling down on that, and he was so smart 219 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: and how he went about winning those two jobs. We 220 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: talked about, you know, the hard work and all of 221 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: the preparation that he had to go through, not knowing 222 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: if he was gonna have an opportunity, but he also 223 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: talked about making sure that you're asking the right questions, 224 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: not just so that you're getting necessary information, so that 225 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: people know that you're asking the right questions and people 226 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 1: notice it. I think he was really great at putting 227 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: in the work but also being noticed and recognized for 228 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: that work. And people say, you know, he's not a 229 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: CEO and he's not enough of a politician to be 230 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback. I think the opposite it. I mean, 231 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: I think this guy is crafty as hell. Yeah, so 232 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: we're speaking to Robert klem Go Monday Morning quarterback who 233 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: also doubled down in sports illustraight, and we'll be looking 234 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: for more work from him in the weeks. I had 235 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 1: as we get closer to the draft, you said that 236 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield has leaned on chair Pennyton somewhat as a mentor. 237 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: Can you talk about that a little bit. Yeah, Chad 238 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: is sort of a mentor to a lot of guys 239 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: at the combine. Through this NFL Legends program, he ends up, 240 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: you know, kind of shepherding these quarterbacks through all these 241 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: various parts of that process. And then he was also 242 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl talking to players. So I think 243 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: he's trying to step into this role of coach mentor 244 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: to the stars, and I think Baker has found in 245 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 1: him kind of an impartial ear and somebody he can 246 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: bounce things off of, and somebody who can give advice 247 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: that Baker knows isn't coming from a place of you know, 248 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: trying to benefit off of Baker success or anything like 249 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: that or piggyback off of his name. And one of 250 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: the things that Chad has tried to do is to 251 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: curtail these instincts and Baker that leave people to think 252 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: that he's not the CEO type. One of my stories 253 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: in the series I lead with Baker kind of blowing 254 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: off the Brown Scout because you know why the Browns 255 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: trying to interview me, knowing they just drafted mental Trabiski, 256 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: and Chad Pennington has tried to dissuade him of that 257 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: and just tell him, you know, there's thirty two teams 258 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: out there and in four years you might end up 259 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: playing for that Scout that you just blew off. So yeah, 260 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: I think that it's been a learning process for Baker 261 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: and it was really important for him to meet Chat 262 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: early on in this offseason. You went through a film 263 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: breakdown with Oklahoma head coach Lincoln Riley, And I know 264 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: one of the Knox per se on Baker is that 265 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: you know he's coming from an offense stats quarterback friendly. 266 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: So can you just dive into a little bit more 267 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: detail on what Lincoln Riley and maybe even you think 268 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: that Baker will translate to a successful quarterback just bite 269 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: his offensive scheme in college. Yeah, well, I think we 270 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: all have this view of the up tempo variations on 271 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: the spread offense. You know, whether it's the blur or 272 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: the air raid where the quarterback looks over to the 273 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: sideline and he gets a call, or he looks at 274 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: a picture of you know, Oscar the Grouch or something, 275 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: and then everybody knows that that's the play they're running, 276 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: and then the sideline is completely orchestrating the whole thing. 277 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: That's a little bit of a stereotype in a lot 278 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: of cases, especially with quarterbacks that have a lot of 279 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: experience in a program and with a particular coach in 280 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: that offense. And I think Baker has been an exception 281 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: in the same way that Patrick Mahomes a Texas Tech 282 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: was an exception. In sitting down with Lincoln Riley, it 283 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: it really helped me understand, and I hope it help 284 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: readers understand how much he grew within that offense, because 285 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: that's what a lot of these coaches are asking of Riley. 286 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: How much can we put on him early on and 287 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: how quickly is he going to be able to process it. 288 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I know that he got a real sense 289 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: from the Jets in his vis it with them that 290 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: it wasn't a boiler plate interview, that they had already 291 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: done some research and watched a lot of film of 292 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: Oklahoma football, and that Jeremy Bates was already, you know, 293 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: putting together some offensive concepts that would translate to the 294 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: NFL from Oklahoma in the event that they did draft Baker. 295 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: So that interview really stood out to him because they 296 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: were doing some of the same things that I was 297 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: doing with Lincoln Riley and trying to learn, you know, 298 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: what Baker's responsibilities were and how quickly he could take 299 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: on information at the next level. That was great layout 300 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: on that article because not only are you speaking to 301 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: it with pros, but the video of the actual plays 302 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: was incorporated in those articles. So that was very good. 303 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that. I just don't click on it 304 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: in six months when all the television broadcast was playing 305 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: the YouTube right, so it's working right now, so it's 306 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: all good. Something else that stood out to me Baker Mayfield. 307 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: He's a pretty intelligent cat, isn't he. You wrote that 308 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: there was a quarterback prospect this year who was scored 309 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: in the top a hundred on an a i Q test, 310 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: which is basically an intelligence test for prospects coming out, 311 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: and that's out of more than four thousand tests, and 312 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: this person was the second highest scoring quarterback out of 313 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: sixty three who have taken the tests since two thousand twelve. 314 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: You said, you've got a couple of sources saying that 315 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: guy is Baker Mayfield. Yeah, and it's a it's a 316 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: new intelligence test that's been used with the combines since 317 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: two thousands twelve that's meant to replace the wonder like 318 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: because the wonderlick does have a lot of cultural and 319 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: language biases and hasn't really been shown to correlate directly 320 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: to NFL success. So this doctor, Scott Goldman, was a 321 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: sports psychologist, spent the last ten fifteen years developing this 322 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: test that he has now found a positive correlation between 323 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: a high score and success and playing time. Early on 324 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: in an NFL career. So it's only been since two 325 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: thousand twelve, so obviously the sample side isn't that huge, 326 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: but sixty three quarterbacks have taken this thing, and Baker 327 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: was the second highest score. It's valued by a couple 328 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: of teams in the NFL who subscribed to all the 329 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: testing results, and those teams two teams are secret, and 330 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: then five or six other teams in the NFL will 331 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: then pay at a premium for say their top one 332 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: draft prospects results on that test. So I think it's 333 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,479 Speaker 1: something that you know, we're gonna hear about more often 334 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: in years to come. It's a very new thing into combine. Robert, 335 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: what do you think his most elite physical quality is? 336 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: Because when I'm always asked about Baker Mayfield, I said, well, 337 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: the first thing that stands out to anybody is this 338 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: guy is so driven. He is super competitive. You can 339 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: see that without knowing him. But you've been in his 340 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 1: camp per se for a few months, You've t talk 341 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: to people around him. What about his physical qualities? What 342 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: stands out to you the most? You know, he doesn't 343 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: have a spectacular arm. He's not going to allow you 344 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: with a seventy yard throw downfield, you know, on the money, 345 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: like a Josh Allen is. He's not a big guy. 346 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: He's not a fast guy. You know, he runs for 347 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: eight and people compare to Russell Wilson, but Russell Wilson 348 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: is way faster than Baker Mayfield, way more athletic. I 349 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: think the thing that stands out and the kind of 350 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: this analytics and statistics fact this up is that his 351 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: accuracy when throwing on the run or when pressured when 352 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: backing up, moving side to side, moving forward is almost 353 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: identical to his accuracy when he's got a clean pocket. 354 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: And that's a special thing and a and a very 355 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: necessary thing when you're six foot tall, because you know 356 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to be moving around and trying to 357 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: find passing lanes, trying to create opportunities that maybe comes 358 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: more easier to six foot five quarterbacks. But just watching 359 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: film with Riley, that's one thing that he pointed out 360 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: is that in practice, Baker would rarely just drop back 361 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: in a seven on seven drill and just sling it 362 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: from a comfortable position, even if there was nobody around him. 363 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: He was falling to his right or falling away, falling 364 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: left evading imaginary pressure in order to replicate some of 365 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: the things that he would face in games. And I 366 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: think that work really showed in two thousands seventeen. You 367 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: wrote early on in the series that potentially you thought 368 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 1: Baker may feel hit ten Destinations says that let's grown 369 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: or shrunk. Do you think, yeah, I think it's shrunk. 370 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: I think that as it's become clear that he's, you know, 371 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: closer to being a top five pick than top fifteen pick, 372 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: there are teams that probably would have taken a lookout 373 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: at him, but you know, aren't willing to trade up 374 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: into that spot. I would say that list is probably 375 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: five teams at this point. I think you have to 376 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: consider the Bills and Dolphins, but they would have to 377 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: trade up early in the first round. I think that 378 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: the Jets, the Broncos, and the Browns are probably your 379 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: top three right now in terms of candidates for Baker. 380 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: And I know that everybody has mocked Sam Donald to 381 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: the Browns, but I don't think they've made that distinction 382 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: yet there. I think they're loving that everybody thinks they've 383 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: made up their minds. Well, and you know this very well, 384 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson said Baker Mayfield the pied Piper of Oklahoma football. 385 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: When do you think about that? It's weird. I heard 386 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: that same phrase from GM at another team, just kind 387 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 1: of independent of that. It's a it's a popular kind 388 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: of football colloquialism, but there's some meaning to it. But 389 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: I guess what they're trying to say is that he 390 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: kind of has a cult of personality down at Oklahoma, 391 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: and that's what you want to see out of a 392 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: quarterback that's going to be your franchise guy. I mean, 393 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: when scouts went down to Texas A and M, for instance, 394 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: to investigate Johnny Manzel, there was no shortage of people 395 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: that would talk trash about Johnny that were connected to 396 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: that program. But you can't find anybody to talk trash 397 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: about Baker Mayfield at Oklahoma. And I'm sure that's, you know, 398 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: similar with a lot of these other quarterbacks in the 399 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: top of the first round. I think it's kind of 400 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: a prerequisite if you're gonna draft a quarterback in the 401 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: first that he's got a really humongous following among the 402 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: people that he worked with every day in college. I'm 403 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: telling you what. Robert Klemco Monday Morning Quarterback, also you 404 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: can find his work in Sports illustrated. Speaking to that, 405 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: you talked to tight on Mark Andrews is gonna be 406 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: playing on Sundays as well. He said that makefield puts 407 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: you in good spaces. And he's a guy who comes in, 408 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: he works hard, and he thinks he can flip a 409 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: program around on the next level. Yeah, Andrews is, you know, 410 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: was his probably top receiver in two thousand seventeen. And 411 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: it was interesting talking to him because so much had 412 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: changed for them from two thousand and sixteen and two 413 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: thousand and seventeen. I mean, they had been a very 414 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: vertical offense. In thousand and sixteen. They had Dede Westbrook, 415 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: who was like one of the fastest players in college 416 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: football that year, and and when he and a group 417 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: of senior wide receivers moved on, Andrews was by far 418 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: the most talented and most experienced receiver in that offense. 419 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: And they really had to adapt, you know, what they 420 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: were doing to kind of fit the personnel. And I 421 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: think that's another thing that NFL teams looked at, how 422 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: did Baker respond to kind of deficiencies around the roster 423 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: where there had been done previously Robert through all your 424 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: time with Baker and Lincoln Riley and people close to 425 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: Baker is do you have like an anecdote or a 426 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: story that maybe not a lot of people know about 427 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: that really sticks out to you about Baker Mayfield, either 428 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: the player or the person. You know. I I've been 429 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: really impressed with his patients. I think that it was 430 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: one of the most unique things about this whole thing, 431 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: has been working with his agents, because he did not 432 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: pick mega football agents. You know, he didn't pick Cia 433 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 1: or Drew Rosenhouse or any of those other guys. I mean, 434 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: he went with some guys that have a really small 435 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: firm in Bowld of Colorado, who has some Oklahoma connections. 436 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: And I think that he's more of a home body 437 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: than people realize. I remember a story from Jack Mills, 438 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: the agent who recruited Baker, and they were, you know, 439 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: in a pitch meeting and Jack handed Baker a sheet 440 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: with salary the top thirty two guys drafted last year, 441 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: so you know, every every one of these first round 442 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: picks has a slotted salary and bonus compensation. And people 443 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: were talking at that time in early January about Baker being, 444 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: you know, a mid round pick, maybe the nineteenth pick 445 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: to the Chargers or Washington. Uh there in the middle 446 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: of the first round, and Baker drew a line under 447 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: the fifth pick and said, I'm not going below this pick. 448 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: He kind of has this unreal self confidence that he 449 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: can make things happen that he actually has no control over, 450 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: and things just kind of happened to work out for him, 451 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: but really over his whole life. And I think that 452 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: as much as you want to say people down in 453 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: Oklahoma kind of believe in him unconditionally, he believes in 454 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: himself even more than that. And lastly, for me, Robert 455 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: is I'm not asking you to predict the future, but 456 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: what kind of pro quarterback do you think he is 457 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: going to be? I can't say, you know, I think 458 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: that so much of it depends on the situation these 459 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: guys are in. I mean, you look at how many 460 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: talented n c A quarterbacks who came in the NFL 461 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: with high pedigrees and a lot of expectations kind of 462 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 1: wilted when there was changeover within an organization, when his 463 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: offensive line was absolutely trash, and when the media criticism 464 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: weighed heavy, when there was competition there that he didn't expect, 465 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: and wasn't really ready to cope with. You know, all 466 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: of those are factors. It's the great unknown. You know, 467 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: there are people that still swear that Chad Henning would 468 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: be a franchise quarterback in the NFL if he hadn't 469 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: been drafted by the Jaguards. Um so I can't say 470 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: I do. I would say that I have met, you know, 471 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in this league before and been around successful quarterbacks. 472 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: I live in Denver cover Peyton Manning, and I think 473 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,239 Speaker 1: that Baker has a lot of the same qualities of 474 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: these guys in terms of the work ethic, and that's 475 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: gonna be one of the most important things, right, fascinating stuff. 476 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: You're doing. Tremendous work, Robert Klumco. And uh, you know, 477 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: it's always great to catch up with a former terror pin. 478 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: I graduated from the University of Maryland, probably a little 479 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: bit before you, Robert, I graduated in But hey, listen, 480 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: we really enjoyed catching up with you. Maybe we can 481 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: talk in the future. And uh, keep up the great work. 482 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,479 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me go to great stuff there. From 483 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: Robert Klumco of Monday Morning Quarterback. YEA, something I thought 484 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: was very interesting. He said, a lot of pro comps 485 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: lead to Russell Wilson and Baker Mayfield from a comparison 486 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 1: perspect to, but they're very different. And I told you 487 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: this before on the Official Jezz podcast a couple of 488 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: weeks ago. My own personal comp for what it's worth, 489 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: take it or leave it from a pure pocket awareness 490 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: and mobility perspective, is someone who calls games for CBS, 491 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: and that is Tony Robo because he can dance in 492 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 1: the pocket, He makes guys miss, he's accurate, and if 493 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: he needs to hold chucking and run after he looks downfield, 494 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: isn't wrong A little bit taller. I understand what you're saying, 495 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: and that's if you're a Baker Mayfield fan, you like 496 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: that comparison because I think Tony Romo was a very 497 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: good quarterback. With all that being said, it is so 498 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: hard to project these guys on the next level. So 499 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,479 Speaker 1: scouts and GMS, when you're looking at Baker Mayfield, when 500 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: you're looking at josh An, when you're looking at josh Rosen, 501 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: when you're looking at Sam Donald, you have to say, 502 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: what structure do we have in place, what is our system? 503 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: And who is the guy to best match it. I 504 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: think it's fascinating where Clump goes said, hey, listen, Mayfield, 505 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: he drew a line after that number five pick that 506 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: was that was a good anecdote right there. So Mayfield, 507 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: of course, that's what you expect from him, that he 508 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: thinks that he is one of the top player. He 509 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: thinks he thinks he's the top player in this draft, 510 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: and he doesn't think it will get past five. And 511 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who agree with him. 512 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: Tony Romo six. Not a big height discrepancy there between 513 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: those two. So I talked. I talked to Jim Miller 514 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: at the league meetings and he said he thought that 515 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: the West Coast system that Jeremy Bates will run next 516 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: year here with the Jets, and obviously he's a protege 517 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: and Mike Shanahanna and denver Um he thinks would be 518 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: a great fit for Baker Mayfield. And you also spoke 519 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: to Albert Brier, and I thought what he said it 520 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: was very interesting too, is he said, we'll look at 521 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and try to see what is similar to 522 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and in these four quarterbacks, because Jeremy Bates 523 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: comes from the Shanahan tree, and Shanahan coach Kirk Cousins, 524 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: and they're multiple Shanahan. So let me be clear here, 525 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: Bates worked under Mike Shanahan, Shanahan's son, Kyle coach Cousins. 526 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: So just to make sure the dominoes are in full effect, 527 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: there there is some kind of tie to a Shanahan 528 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: system and Jeremy Bates. And therefore Albert Brier said, try 529 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: to look for some qualities and some of these guys, 530 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: like Kirk Cousins. One of those guys that has similar 531 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: qualities and none of these guys are a perfect match 532 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: is Baker Mayfield. We'll tell you what. And the other 533 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: thing is, I think that there are a lot of 534 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: people who are Jets fans right now who love the 535 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: kids passion, his compete level, his moxie, his hey, get 536 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: on board with me and I'm gonna lead you to 537 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: the promised Land. I think there are a lot of 538 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: people out there, not only in the Jets fan base, 539 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: but and fan bases throughout the National Football League where 540 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: you know, this becomes an attractive player and an attractive 541 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: person at a prominent position. But you cannot argue with 542 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: what he did in college on the field and Klemco said, Hey, listen, 543 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: he was so well liked within the building and Norman, 544 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: within that program, anywhere where he played. He was a 545 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: natural leader. And you know, he isn't Russell Wilson because 546 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: he doesn't have that kind of athleticism in terms of speed, 547 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: but he does possess very good feed and he's got 548 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: a quick release. He's not afraid to stand in there 549 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: and take a shot or try to avoid a guy, 550 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: and he's gonna compete his tail off to the very 551 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,719 Speaker 1: end no matter what happens, what happens with a pro career, 552 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: we don't know. It's gonna be fascinating to find out, 553 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: but I'm really interested to see where this guy goes 554 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: on draft weekend. I am too. And something I thought 555 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: Clemco said which was extremely interesting is in practice, he's 556 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: making all these off balance throws because he's trying to 557 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: simulate what it would be like when he's escaping pressure 558 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: in a live situation. And you know, being six one, 559 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: maybe that's some of the things that you need to 560 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: do and try to put yourself in different situations and practice. 561 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: So when a big defensive lineman's running at you, you're 562 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: rolling out to your right or your left and you're 563 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: you're throwing dimes. If you're Baker Man, I'll tell you what, 564 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: he'd be the guy you want to play with, you know, 565 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: when you were growing up and you're playing tackle football 566 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: at the park, because he's the guys all you're gonna 567 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: keep the play alive and you're never gonna get him down, 568 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: and he just guy's gonna stay out there that pass 569 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: the time. When his mom calls him in for dinner, 570 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna say, I got I got some 571 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: more play than Baker Mayfield. Yeah he was. He wasn't 572 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: in this video game, but he would be a tremendous 573 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: asset to NFL Street to the video game. It was 574 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: a great game. If you've never played it, you should 575 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: go play. And that's all we have here on the 576 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: Official Jets Podcast, Baker Mayfield Edition. Next episode, we're gonna 577 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: keep it in sunny California. That's gonna be the Josh 578 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: Rosen Dissect again. We'll have Sam Farmer on yet again 579 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: on the Official Jets Podcast. There you have it for 580 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: Eric Allen, I'm Ethan Greenberg.