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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I welcome to Stephane

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Speaker 1: never told your production of ihear Radio. Yes, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to Oh my God, what's happening? We have to talk

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Speaker 1: about things because things are happening kind of segment um.

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Speaker 1: And if you've been paying attention to what is happening

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Speaker 1: very least. So before we begin, we want to time

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Speaker 1: stamp this because we know so many things are changing

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Speaker 1: and as you know, as you know, oftentimes before our

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Speaker 1: episodes even published, we are already out of date. But

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Speaker 1: just to go ahead and let you know we're trying

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Speaker 1: today is May five, twenty two, Andy, go ahead. We

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Speaker 1: always have to have a Star Wars plan if we

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Speaker 1: can have to. And recently political elated and a Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court brief which would overturn Roe v. Wade, which, by

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Speaker 1: the way, was the nineteen seventy three ruling that stated

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Speaker 1: unduly restricted state regulation of abortion is unconstitutional, which Justice

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Speaker 1: Harry A. Blackman wrote for a Texas hearing which against

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Speaker 1: states statutes are criminalizing abortion in most instances violated privacy,

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Speaker 1: which was guaranteed by the Fourteeth Amendment under the Due

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Speaker 1: Process Clause. We're gonna get into that a little more. So,

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Speaker 1: what exactly is this briefing that has so many people

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Speaker 1: executive director of a Georgia win List, Molina Easters. Welcome,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for pleasure to join you. Can you kind

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Speaker 1: the founding chair of Georgia Winless. WHI is a twenty

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Speaker 1: two year old state based pact to elect pro choice

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Speaker 1: democratic women in Georgia, and we have helped elect seventies

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Speaker 1: six legislators, forty six of whom currently serve over our

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Speaker 1: twenty two year history. And so, because reproductive freedom is

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Speaker 1: the core of our mission and the lens we use

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Speaker 1: for endorsing women, this case and this opinion puts what

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Speaker 1: obviously reproductive rights. We are very loud about where we

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Speaker 1: UH political positions and leadership is important and impacts a

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Speaker 1: definitely have been talking about this out loud and I

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Speaker 1: well for for the Judge Alito to say Row was

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Speaker 1: egregiously wrong from the start is pretty devastating to the

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Speaker 1: entire pro choice movement. And it means that existing laws

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Speaker 1: So there's so many layers, the wait time, the additional

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Speaker 1: they've been so effective and making this sound like it's

434
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Speaker 1: much more popular than it is. And I think the

435
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: fact that it got leads and they were going to

436
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: do it on the last day of their session, like

437
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: it's really telling that that this is about controlling women's

438
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: bodies and and they're just trying to paint all this

439
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: moral stuff on it. But they know it's not popular,

440
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: but they've been very effective in their messaging that it is. Well,

441
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: the messaging around choice and reproductive freedom has been more

442
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: effectively wielded by those who oppose abortion and oppose contraception

443
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: and oppose a woman's right to her own medical decisions.

444
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: They have more effectively wielded the language throughout the last

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Speaker 1: five decades. And that is a sad thing to say,

446
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: because we have a lot of smart, effective communicators on

447
00:30:46,480 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: our side so we're going to continue with some quotes

448
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: from this this briefing. On occasion when the Court has

449
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: ignored the appropriate limits imposed by respect for the teachings

450
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: of history, it has fallen into the free willing judicial

451
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: policy making that characterized discredited decisions such as Lochner v.

452
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: New York. The Court must not fall prey to such

453
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: an unprincipled approach. Instead, guided by the history and tradition

454
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: that matt the essential components of our nation's concept of

455
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: ordered liberty, we must ask what the Fourteenth Amendment means

456
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: by the term liberty when we engage in that inquiry.

457
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: In the present case, the clear answer is that the

458
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: Fourteenth Amendment does not protect the right to an abortion. Honestly,

459
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure out what it means by say, uh,

460
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: the clear answer right. It may will be the job

461
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: of our dissenting justices to provide the clear answer and

462
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: the opposite view, and I have no doubt they will

463
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: be l point and forceful in their descent and perhaps

464
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: sharpen the descent based on the outcry which has arisen

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00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: from the League draft. And there's a couple of things

466
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna go ahead and put in there just because

467
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: I think it's important. It says Roe either ignored or

468
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: misstated this history, and Casey declined to reconsider rose faulty

469
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: historical analysis. It is therefore important to set the record straight.

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00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: It continues with talking about some of the historical contacts

471
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: that he wants to talk about, which it's so problematic

472
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: that I don't understand why he thought it wouldn't be

473
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: looked into. But he puts two treatises by Sir Matthew

474
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: Hall likewise described abortion of a quick child who died

475
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: in the womb as a quote great crime and great misprison. C. Mhill,

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00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: please of the relating which is the book that he's

477
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: talking about, and the histories are the pleas of the

478
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: crown and writing near time of the adoption for a constitution. Blackstone,

479
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: another historian, explained that abortion of a quick child was

480
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: by the ancient law homicide or manslaughter. By the way,

481
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: this was in seventy six UM and at least a

482
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 1: very heinous misdemeter. So I wanted to talk about these

483
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: two historical references for a second because they seem article.

484
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: By the way, again, this was in the early sixteen hundreds,

485
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds that this was done. These are things written

486
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: through the lens of white men which probably had never

487
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: been in a birthing room and certainly had never carried

488
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: a child to term in In in that era, women

489
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: often were sheltered away from society while they were pregnant.

490
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: They went away to a vacation home or a second home,

491
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: or they certainly weren't seen in public. And so to

492
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: go back to that history for a modern day court

493
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: opinion shows how out of touch justice Alito truly is. Right.

494
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: I mean, let's talk about the history of Sir Matthew

495
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: Hale of himself during this whole brief he writes, Alito

496
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: actually rights that Matthew Hall calls specific medicine medicines that

497
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: may have caused or had brought about an abortion potions,

498
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 1: so that in its term made me laugh. I was like, really,

499
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: so you're gonna put the word potions in there, as

500
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: if it was a magic trike or But we have

501
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: to look at the fact that access to ending a

502
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: pregnancy has often relied upon herbal medicine or various chemical

503
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: substances known to some and provided. But many of those

504
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: really potions, if you want to call them that had

505
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: long term, lasting detrimental effects on the women who took them,

506
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: and so having a safe legal process for ending a

507
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:27,479
Speaker 1: pregnancy preserves the help of the women and keeps them alive. Right,

508
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: And then you're right on that they were calling these

509
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: potions because they didn't know what else to call it,

510
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: and they are they didn't want to justify it as Hey,

511
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: this actually is something beyond that which, yes, can be dangerous,

512
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: and we should have that conversation about why this is dangerous.

513
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: Maybe we should look into safe precautions and protecting people.

514
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: But no, Um, Matthew Hell was actually known as actually

515
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: executing at least my record two women for witchcraft. Uh.

516
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: He's also known as to saying that marital rape, really

517
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: that's not a big deal. So you defended marital rape.

518
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: And it's believed that capital punishment should extend to those

519
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: as young as fourteen years old. So the fact that

520
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: he Alito decided to take his name and use it

521
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 1: makes it be like, did you really know anything about this, dude? Well,

522
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: he might have known and not cared, right, right, which

523
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: seems to be a fair standing of the entire process

524
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: and perhaps the fair statement of his mind set. Stale

525
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: pale yes. Here's some other quotes who want to include

526
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: the inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is

527
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: not deeply rooted in the nation's history and traditions. On

528
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: the contrary and unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain

529
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: of criminal punishment persisted from the earliest days of common

530
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: law until nineteen seventy three. And here's another one. Respondents

531
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: have no persuasive answers to the historical evidence. Neither Respondence

532
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: nor the Solicitor Daniel disputes the fact that by eighteen

533
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: sixty eight, the vast majority of states criminalized abortion at

534
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 1: all stages of pregnancy. So I think it was important

535
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: that we remember he's taking this context to eighteen sixty eight,

536
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: and it is not a time we want to go

537
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: back to. The treatment of women in that time period

538
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: is not something we want to go back to. Women

539
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: did not have the right to vote, my goodness, women

540
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: could get credit cards only in the seventies. The treatment

541
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: of women in in the times Justice Alito refers to

542
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: is not a place the majority of the nation's population

543
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: wishes to revisit. When they truly look at the full

544
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: consequences of such backwards steps, yeah, and I just keep

545
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: thinking like, it's a medical procedure and that's really not

546
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: in your business. Like I don't know what is the

547
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: crux of the matter. It is a medical procedure, it

548
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: is none of your business. I can't think of a

549
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: single male member of the Georgia General Assembly I would

550
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: want in the examining room between me and my doctor.

551
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: M right, And I just I know, it's like an

552
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: awful picture, right exactly, it is a very picture, but

553
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: that is where they are placing themselves. That where Alito

554
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: would put all women with the state looking over their

555
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: shoulder about their medical decisions and making them feel guilty

556
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: about it. And I just can't. I know it's it's

557
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: been said before, but I if there was something like

558
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: this that impacted men, if we were like, no, you

559
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: can't do that. What if every time a man wanted

560
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: a viagra prescription, they had to go to the doctor

561
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: in person, they had to subject themselves to something similar

562
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: to an ultrasound, and then they could only build a

563
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: prescription in person at the pharmacy, and then such prescriptions

564
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: were not available on college campuses, or let's put it

565
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: in the proper context, you couldn't get a prescription for

566
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: viagrah dispensed at your old age home. How quickly would

567
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: they change their minds? M h. You know, we can

568
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: also saw that was saying people with penises that should

569
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: have vasectomies, and that would help prevent it would help

570
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: prevent unwanted pregnancies, particularly those that occur as a result

571
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: of rape. And I've even seen a mean today that said,

572
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: have every eighteen year old man receive a vasectomy, and

573
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: when he has proven he is financially and emotionally secure

574
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: enough to father a child, he can have it reversed.

575
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: Some men who have seen the children would never have

576
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: had it reversed, in my humble opinion, agreed. Um. And yeah,

577
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: there's so many things to this because when we're talking

578
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: about and I don't think I explained it correctly, even

579
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: though I did talk about it, the fourteenth Amendment and

580
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: the due process clause, we're talking about the right to privacy.

581
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: We are talking about that on the level of that

582
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: this should be between the person who is going in

583
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: for whatever procedure and the doctor, point blank. Um. And

584
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: this could also go into the lines of in vitual fertilization,

585
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: like being able to be to have a child in

586
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: this process that they want to This also goes into

587
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: the process of not being sterilized. If they don't want

588
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: to be sterilized, if they don't want that process, can't

589
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: be forced to do that. That that's along those levels

590
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: that were it's not about again they're trying to put

591
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: this as they just want to kill off babies, which

592
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: is again a weaponized terms. Well they're talking about is

593
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: a freedom for a woman to choose, or freedom for

594
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: people to choose in general, not just women, but just

595
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: to have a choice, to be able to have that

596
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: choice when it comes to their own buddies point blank. Um.

597
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: And it's that overarching conversation that everybody's like, this is

598
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: dangerous for so many reasons, especially what he's talking about

599
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: national history and ordered uh liberties, that in itself is

600
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: dangerous language to become a fascist type of government. Yes,

601
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 1: that's not a place where we want to move right,

602
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: which is dangerous. Um. And within the we've only got

603
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: a couple of more because I was like, I can't

604
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: keep we can't keep doing this or it's never gonna end.

605
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: But it does say the court did not claim that

606
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: this broadly framed right is absolute and no such claim

607
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: would be plausible. While individuals are certainly free to think,

608
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: if free to say what they wish about quote existence

609
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: quote meaning the universe and the mystery of the human life, uh,

610
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: they are not always free to act in accordance with

611
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: those thoughts. UH. License to act on the basis of

612
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: such beliefs may correspond to one of the many understandings

613
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: of quote liberty, but it's certainly not again ordered liberty.

614
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: Who makes the order, who describes the liberty? That's what

615
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: it comes down to. The Court is hoping to describe

616
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: a liberty that is not in accordance with the will

617
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: of the majority of the people of the United States.

618
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: The Court is trying to impose the liberty described by

619
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: the minority of the population and not the majority based

620
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: on polling about Roe v. Wade and reproductive freedom. What

621
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: you want to that's perfect, all right, So here's your

622
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: last one for now. I'm sure we'll re visit this

623
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: in future. Arguments made that women have more freedom now

624
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: and are protected by law from discrimination, and that with

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00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: safe haven laws and adoption, that children are safe and

626
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: quote has a little reason to fear that the baby

627
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 1: will not find a suitable home, and that the abortion

628
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: supporters are fearful of losing autonomy and unable to compete

629
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: with been in the workplace and an other in depths,

630
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: and because each has good arguments, decisions should be left

631
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: to the states. The problem with leaving decisions to the

632
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: states is that the states will not have uniform laws.

633
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: There should be a national standard on this issue. And

634
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: we didn't leave civil rights to the states, we didn't

635
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: leave voting rights to the states. Sometimes an overarching national

636
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: priority is needed and necessary, and on the matter of

637
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 1: reproductive freedom and medical autonomy for women, that national overarching

638
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: standard was set by Roe v. Wade, And if the

639
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: court overturns Roe v. Wade, then national action is necessary

640
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: because the states have demonstrated time and again that some

641
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: of them will discriminate, and they're ready. They're ready, and

642
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: we've already seen what's happened in Alabama in which they

643
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: tried to charge a woman who did want her pregnancy,

644
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: got into an argument, got shot, laws a fetus, and

645
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: she got charged with murder we know, and it took

646
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: it to go to national headlines for her to be released.

647
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: There are so many sad ways to see this play

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Speaker 1: out with the kinds of reversive laws states are willing

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Speaker 1: to pass, and it's the Court is opening the nation

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Speaker 1: up to great tragedy if if they overturn Rovy Way.

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Speaker 1: And again, what's happened with Missouri stating that their laws

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Speaker 1: are ready to ban abortion and that anyone who leaves

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Speaker 1: the state to get it will be prosecuted as well.

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Speaker 1: There's so many things how this is not just about states. No,

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Speaker 1: this is about controlling women and turning back the clock.

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Speaker 1: And women have to be prepared to help each other.

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Speaker 1: We need to look at how many women serve in

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Speaker 1: elected office, how many women will be making the new

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Speaker 1: laws required by in some instances this new decision. In Georgia,

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Speaker 1: thirty three point nine percent of the legislators are women.

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Speaker 1: In state legislatures nationwide, the average is thirty one point

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Speaker 1: one percent, and in Congress there are twenty six point

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Speaker 1: nine percent women. Women have to band together and elect

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Speaker 1: other pro choice women if we are to have a

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Speaker 1: voice in the room where it happens and these laws

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Speaker 1: are crafted. And we've been very effective in Georgia by

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Speaker 1: electing women to the extent that our women Democratic women

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Speaker 1: legislators out number the Republican legislators three point two to one.

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Speaker 1: So when we say that Georgia abortion laws are crafted

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Speaker 1: by stale pale GOP majorities, we're talking about mostly men

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Speaker 1: who truly have no idea about how Most of them

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Speaker 1: have no idea about carrying a child term or the

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Speaker 1: complications of pregnancies unless their own wives have had complicated pregnancies,

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Speaker 1: and even then they still have no clue. They think

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Speaker 1: they have a little bit of an understanding, but they

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Speaker 1: still do not understand those overall trauma. We don't even

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Speaker 1: talk about postpartum stuff, which even more traumatics of the

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Speaker 1: mental health level is even less considered. On top of

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Speaker 1: that fact, absolutely in the state level, we have to

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Speaker 1: look about what is what they're trying to do and

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Speaker 1: how they're trying to do it. And even though US

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Speaker 1: two elections had the highest number of women running for

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Speaker 1: the first time and so long, it's still ridiculously the

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Speaker 1: low low number. Well that is true, But in Georgia

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Speaker 1: we have a record setting number of women candidates yet again,

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Speaker 1: and we also have the highest percentage of contested races

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Speaker 1: on the ballot in November yet again. And so at

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Speaker 1: least in Georgia and hopefully in other states, voters have

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Speaker 1: the option, and the way we have the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: flip legislative bodies is by turning out progressive voters in

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Speaker 1: numbers the Republicans can't ignore, and turning out progressive voters

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Speaker 1: in numbers that defeat the other side. So when our

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Speaker 1: turnout is several percentage points higher everywhere, it lifts the

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Speaker 1: entire statewide ticket, and it gives Democrats an opportunity two

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Speaker 1: flip seats that Republicans thought could not be flipped. So yes,

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Speaker 1: they've gerrymandered maps and they've made them as favorable as

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Speaker 1: they can. But Georgia is fast becoming a majority minority

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Speaker 1: state and those demographics favor pro choice Democrats. We have

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Speaker 1: to make our voter turnout efforts match the opportunity. I

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Speaker 1: love this, So we've been talking about the elections ever since.

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Speaker 1: I've been on everything ever since, and and I have

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Speaker 1: been hosting this because it's it's been record breaking and

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Speaker 1: changing so much, obviously for us in the state of Georgia. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it has been quite different and moving to the point

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Speaker 1: that people were so shocked that it did turn blue

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Speaker 1: when it came to the Senate, racist and very excited

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Speaker 1: about it um and having to kind of have people

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Speaker 1: recognize that Georgia is a battleground state and we need

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Speaker 1: to talk about this. But other states are slowly coming

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Speaker 1: to that forward too, and it's been because of the women.

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Speaker 1: It's been because of the marginalized communities really pushing this well.

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Speaker 1: And what I like to say, and I even have

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Speaker 1: a map at the state of Georgia that we use

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Speaker 1: on some of our materials that shows even in places

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Speaker 1: that vote Republican, the tide is turning, the percentage of

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Speaker 1: Democratic performance is increasing. So what I say is a

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Speaker 1: rising blue tide lifts all votes. And so to the

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Speaker 1: extent that we had women candidates who kept their ground

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Speaker 1: owned game in operation during December and early January to

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Speaker 1: be sure that their voters turned out for Senators us

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Speaker 1: off in Warnock. And doesn't that just sound wonderful rolling

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Speaker 1: off the tongue, to have two Democratic senators in the

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Speaker 1: US Senate representing the state of Georgia after so many

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Speaker 1: years of Republican control. But yes, it was the women

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Speaker 1: voters who gave them those margins. And it was the

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Speaker 1: places like North Georgia and certain parts of South Georgia

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Speaker 1: where women candidates had turned out the vote and energized

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Speaker 1: the base that turned out again to give them their

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Speaker 1: margins and victory. I'm gonna end this on a high note.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the good things that can come

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Speaker 1: through through this, because the one thing we know, when

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Speaker 1: women get angry, when marginalized communities get angry, things happen.

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna make things happen no matter what happens

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Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court that we can't see that they

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Speaker 1: don't want us to see, which is a question of

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Speaker 1: huh in itself, But whatever traditions right, what are some

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Speaker 1: of the things that we can do as uh, pro

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Speaker 1: choice seeking to just have autonomy, just understanding that this

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Speaker 1: is gonna greatly affect the rights of the marginalized community,

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Speaker 1: what can we do? The silver lining of this dark

741
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Speaker 1: cloud is the fact that we have a record setting

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Speaker 1: number of women candidates. These women, many of them, are

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Speaker 1: some of the highest quality candidates, the most energetic, the

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Speaker 1: best educated we've ever seen. So we have these wonderful

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Speaker 1: women candidates on the ballot. We have more women running

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Speaker 1: against Republicans in November than we've ever had before. Win

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Speaker 1: List has already endorsed the four statewide women and thirty

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Speaker 1: eight women in legislative seats. We have more than forty

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Speaker 1: racests to still look at for general election or runoff endorsements.

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Speaker 1: So the silver lining of this dark cloud is that

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Speaker 1: because we've been recruiting, because we've been training, because we've

752
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Speaker 1: been encouraging women to run for twenty two years, we

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Speaker 1: have a bumper crop of pro choice democratic women to

754
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Speaker 1: choose from in November. And this opinion, if it doesn't

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Speaker 1: make people mad enough to get out and vote and

756
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Speaker 1: bring a few friends with them to the polls in November,

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Speaker 1: nothing ever will. This is a time of opportunity and

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Speaker 1: we must seize the moment. Our friend Melity Brave shout

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Speaker 1: out to her who is running here in the state,

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Speaker 1: uh in in Georgia who are nectedt us with the

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Speaker 1: Melita to the friend of the show I think we

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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. We got to watch her progress from I'm tired,

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Speaker 1: I gotta do something to from grassroots to you know what,

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Speaker 1: let me just go ahead and run because I'm done

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Speaker 1: and I'm about to make my voice heard. What can

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Speaker 1: we tell people and women out there, especially in those

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Speaker 1: in the marginalized communities, if they want to run what

768
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Speaker 1: should we tell them, Well, what we should tell them

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Speaker 1: is the best way to prepare yourself to run in

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Speaker 1: the future is to help a woman a woman run

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Speaker 1: this cycle. Learn about campaigning by helping a woman candidate,

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Speaker 1: learn about what it takes to be on the campaign

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Speaker 1: trail yourself by shadowing a woman candidate and helping her

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Speaker 1: get elected, and then you'll be prepared to be a

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Speaker 1: candidate in the future. And we need good, strong women candidates.

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Speaker 1: And this is an even year in Georgia, so it's

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Speaker 1: the state legislative seats, and we're going to need municipal

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Speaker 1: candidates in the odd year. School Board races are becoming

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Speaker 1: all the more important now because of book bands and

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00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: proposed changes to how history gets whitewashed to match the

781
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: whims of those who don't want to have children actually

782
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: learn the truth. And so there's gonna be plenty of

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Speaker 1: opportunities in the coming years for women to run for

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Speaker 1: office and even more large numbers. And the best way

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00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: to prepare yourself to be a candidate is to help

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Speaker 1: a current candidate and get involved in helping them get elected.

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Speaker 1: Because as women climb the ladder higher and higher, we

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Speaker 1: always need to have one arm down helping the next

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Speaker 1: person up that same ladder. Right, And you provided us

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Speaker 1: before we did this a lot of um fantastic resources. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And one is that a couple of years ago, some

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Speaker 1: interns working with you, right, found this actual statistical relationship

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Speaker 1: between women in government and pro choice. Yes, my, my

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Speaker 1: wonderful collagen turns back in twenty nineteen, when so many

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Speaker 1: of the states were passing um abortion bands, when the

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Speaker 1: Georgia six week ban passed, Ohio, Missouri, Kentucky, Louisiana, Alabama,

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Speaker 1: and Mississippi all also passed bans. Georgia, of all of

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Speaker 1: those states, had the closest abortion ban vote in the

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Speaker 1: one and eighty member House. The ban, the six week ban,

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Speaker 1: passed with only ninety two votes, one more than would

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Speaker 1: have been required, and that was because at the time

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Speaker 1: Georgia had a thirty point five women legislators. In the

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Speaker 1: other states where there were fewer women legislators, for example,

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Speaker 1: in Louisiana, there six week ban where only sixteen percent

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Speaker 1: of the legislators were women, passed by a seventy three

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Speaker 1: to twenty nine margin. In Alabama, where fifteen point seven

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Speaker 1: percent of the legislators were women, their total ban on

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Speaker 1: abortion passed with a vote of seventy four to three.

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Speaker 1: In Mississippi, the six week ban now an issue in

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, where thirteen point eight percent of the

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Speaker 1: women of the legislators are women. The vote was seventy

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Speaker 1: six to thirty seven in favor of the band. So

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Speaker 1: having more women in a legislative body matters, by contrast

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Speaker 1: to those Southern states. In Nevada, where fifty two point

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Speaker 1: four percent of the legislators are women, they're laws to

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Speaker 1: ease and make abortion access more available um passed by

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Speaker 1: overwhelming majorities. So your vote matters, and we have to

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Speaker 1: vote in numbers. Republicans can't ignore. And I used the

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Speaker 1: term Republicans and Democrats because in Georgia there are no

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Speaker 1: pro choice Republican women legislators. The last pro choice Republican

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Speaker 1: legislator was Kathy Ashe and she switched to the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party many many years ago. She's no longer serving, but

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Speaker 1: she was the last pro choice Republican female legislator. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for clarifying that. I think that's something that needs

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Speaker 1: to be said because I know there's a whole conversation

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Speaker 1: of the left and right and what does that look like,

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Speaker 1: but Georgia, it is pretty clear. Well, in Georgia, it

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Speaker 1: is very clear. Well, thank you so much for coming

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Speaker 1: on and illuminating a lot of this, Melita. I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners and us are kind of

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Speaker 1: feeling a little panick and overwhelmed, and this is such

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Speaker 1: a helpful conversation. So thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 1: Where can the good listeners find you? They can follow

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Speaker 1: Facebook with my name Melita Easters. And I am on

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Speaker 1: a public affairs television program Sunday mornings in Atlanta on

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Speaker 1: Channel five. It's a thirty minute show called The Georgia Gang,

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Speaker 1: and I'm one of the two Democrats who face off

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Speaker 1: against two Republicans every week on Sunday Mornings at night

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Speaker 1: thirty and a moderated discussion. Yes, that sounds intense. It's

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Speaker 1: very interesting. Well, listeners, if you have any thoughts about

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Speaker 1: what we talked about today, you can always email us.

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