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Speaker 1: All right, So Jake Shuten right now, are you a

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Speaker 2: Tell us when you're in character? Hey, will you scratch

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Speaker 2: my balls? I have on that box?

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Speaker 1: No, you know what the things that The thing that's

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Speaker 2: Yep. Only we're not bringing in a big star bringing

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Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't because we couldn't get anybody else,

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Speaker 1: because we just love this guy.

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Speaker 2: Because the people they love, they though, look at those shorts.

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Speaker 2: Man commute to shorts.

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Speaker 1: So these have become the official shorts of morning combat.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna say that I have the muscularity

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Speaker 2: But I commit to the part. I commit to the brand.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I got myself into here.

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Speaker 3: Well, if it's not porn Hub, it's definitely whatever event

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Speaker 2: Up, because I think he studies on the why like this.

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Speaker 2: Right before we talked about.

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Speaker 3: Something, I looked a bunch up baking the edible suck fucking.

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Speaker 2: This is what I deal with.

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Speaker 3: When I come in here.

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Speaker 2: People are always like do you script these interactions?

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Speaker 3: No, this is this.

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Speaker 2: Is a journey our song. Guy's dropping deduce right now.

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Speaker 2: This is the migration growth of men. You well, maybe

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Speaker 4: Normally when we do these we have people who are

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Speaker 2: They didn't show up this time.

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Speaker 4: Instead, what we decided to do was we decided to

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Speaker 2: You know him very well.

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Speaker 4: You've seen him on pregame previews, You've seen him on

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Speaker 4: all this work in various places over the years, ESPNMMA Fighting.

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Speaker 2: He is our friend and yours.

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Speaker 4: Let's get to know a little bit more about the

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Speaker 4: iceman himself, the man in the hat, Chuck Minton, All, Hi, Chuck,

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Speaker 4: how are you?

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Speaker 3: Bella's invited to the room. I'll take that. This is

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Speaker 1: You fit in seamlessly in terms of this weird MK environment,

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Speaker 2: The opposite of fit in this chair. You compliment our eccentricity.

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Speaker 5: But this time we said we want you to be

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Speaker 5: So you know, I could hang out with the stoners,

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Speaker 5: I could hang out with the death metal guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I could hang out with the jocks, you know what

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Speaker 5: I mean. So did you go to the same high

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Speaker 2: Three years years? Chick sticks changed whips? Yeah, no, my

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Speaker 3: Where did you grow up? I grew up in Denver, Colorado?

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Speaker 3: So Horizon High School? Is that where you were born?

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Speaker 2: What year did you graduate high school? If you don't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, bitch, nineteen ninety one.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, okay, so that's not a good seventh grade,

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Speaker 3: Now, you guys are always talking about how washed you are.

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Speaker 1: Chuck, tell me about prime Chuck. Seventeen year old Chuck,

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Speaker 4: So when did you start writing, like realized you had

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I might as well work in pornography. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Excited because people know the man in the hat, they

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Speaker 1: know you're writing for years. I've always looked at you

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Speaker 2: This industry ain't ain't easy there's.

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Speaker 1: Not a lot of jobs out there. There's not a

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Speaker 2: You've found work, made your own work. I was your

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Speaker 3: You and I have worked with Chuck prior to ever

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Speaker 2: What's is unique?

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Speaker 1: What do you think your role right now in combat

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Speaker 2: Double double merkin. I've got to cover that monkey pot.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, to be honest really realistically, and I

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Speaker 1: It's just kind of changed. Still valued as an art form, yea.

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Speaker 1: Now it's either a means to something else.

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Speaker 3: it was a Ben Folks thing. You said that, like

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: It's a million different changes. The media ones you've talked about,

443
00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,880
Speaker 4: I really I think are quite big. Actually, it's changed

444
00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,360
Speaker 4: some fan behavior also sports betting. I think we never

445
00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,680
Speaker 4: talked about. It's changing fan behavior a little bit as well.

446
00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,600
Speaker 4: The biggest change in MMA is everything seems. I don't

447
00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:20,960
Speaker 4: know how fans feel today. I can just say how

448
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,320
Speaker 4: it feels relative that it used to be. For example,

449
00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,040
Speaker 4: MMA media used to at my discretion, I thought this.

450
00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:27,600
Speaker 2: Was a good idea.

451
00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,199
Speaker 4: When I was working in an editorial role, was like

452
00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:35,040
Speaker 4: rabbit about covering TV ratings because dude, you just didn't

453
00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:36,720
Speaker 4: know if these promotions were going to be here in

454
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Speaker 4: six months.

455
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Speaker 2: You just never knew what that meant. You didn't know

456
00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,159
Speaker 2: if my job was going to be here.

457
00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like dude, Then you would see ratings start

458
00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,160
Speaker 4: to slumping, like what the fuck does this mean?

459
00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,560
Speaker 2: And you know, so all of us were kind of

460
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Speaker 2: figure out real time.

461
00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,520
Speaker 4: But I think the biggest difference is everything seems so

462
00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,320
Speaker 4: much more locked in. Right before, you kind of had

463
00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,520
Speaker 4: to tie down whatever you wanted before the before the

464
00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,880
Speaker 4: tide came in and took it all.

465
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Speaker 2: And now, you know, partly USC.

466
00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,159
Speaker 4: Has been so successful that you know, certainly there's an

467
00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,080
Speaker 4: argument about them being monopoly, but like, dude, there's like

468
00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,760
Speaker 4: way more locked in media coverage, way more like clear

469
00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,800
Speaker 4: developed fan bases, way more people do. When we were

470
00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,040
Speaker 4: starting to cover it, people are like, what's that ultimate

471
00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:15,280
Speaker 4: fighting cage fighting ship?

472
00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,119
Speaker 3: Didn't even know what the fucking sport was called. And

473
00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,560
Speaker 3: now there is so much.

474
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Speaker 1: More colds a like there's still bare knuckle right you

475
00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,720
Speaker 1: could punch in the balls, like yeah, but at least

476
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:25,919
Speaker 1: like the thing is Like.

477
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Speaker 4: Dude, it used to be I swear to guy, I

478
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,040
Speaker 4: would get you know, on occasion, I would do local

479
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,520
Speaker 4: TV in DC and someone would stop me at the

480
00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,640
Speaker 4: grocery store and be like, you're that ultimate fighting guy,

481
00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,520
Speaker 4: and I'd be like sort of kind of. And now

482
00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,040
Speaker 4: every time someone asked me what I do and I

483
00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,040
Speaker 4: tell them blah blah blah, They're like, oh, you cover MMA,

484
00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,399
Speaker 4: like they know they there's MMA, dude. MMA was like,

485
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,320
Speaker 4: you know it was on the rise, but you just

486
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,959
Speaker 4: didn't know if the bottom was ever going to drop out.

487
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,480
Speaker 4: It seems like that's not huge a huge fight and

488
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,280
Speaker 4: a collective fight for legitimacy, get anybody.

489
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,600
Speaker 2: And then legalization in various states.

490
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,280
Speaker 4: There was always this like us against the machine, the

491
00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,960
Speaker 4: big guy type of thing, and it's like, dude, it's

492
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:01,920
Speaker 4: all pretty settled here.

493
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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of fights that have been turning

494
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Speaker 1: point fights. Obviously, the UFC puts a lot of romantic

495
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,800
Speaker 1: nostalgia on Griffin Bonner one for rightful reasons of what

496
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:10,400
Speaker 1: it did for them.

497
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Speaker 2: I've been at ESPN since two thousand and five. I

498
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:13,440
Speaker 2: remember a.

499
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,040
Speaker 1: Time when you know, everyone knows, when you couldn't even

500
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 1: get ESPN or MMA or UFC talk at all. But

501
00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:24,720
Speaker 1: I remember the Rampage Chuck match. It coincided with Chuck

502
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,719
Speaker 1: on the cover of ESPN magazine and it sports all

503
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:27,399
Speaker 1: straight got involved.

504
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 2: It was a big deal.

505
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 1: I think that was the first one where I felt

506
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 1: like the mainstream people at ESPN, the bosses behind the

507
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,679
Speaker 1: scenes were like, we need to at least watch this,

508
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 1: We need to we need to at least take note too.

509
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 2: Bad Chuck, Chuck got beat.

510
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Speaker 1: But yeah, and you know, there were similar shifts when

511
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,399
Speaker 1: Lesnar and Rousey came around, and everything's changed through the

512
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,360
Speaker 1: McGregor era with the vitality of all that. But when

513
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 1: you look back at the early days for either of

514
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 1: your Chuck, start with you dealing with Dana, what's the difference.

515
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 1: What was Dana like this in the pre twenty ten

516
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,120
Speaker 1: and the pre UFC one hundred.

517
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,240
Speaker 2: What was pre social media too? In large part, well,

518
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 2: I mentioned going to UFC eighty two.

519
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,160
Speaker 3: They had an event at whatever it's called the Nationwide

520
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 3: Arena wherever that is out there. They had an event

521
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 3: there before it was like the Thursday Night or Wednesday

522
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 3: Night or something like that with all the fighters in

523
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 3: some media and like. But it was like just kind

524
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 3: of a mingling atmosphere, and Dana was the chief mingler.

525
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 3: He was just out there kind of shaking hands, talking

526
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 3: to everybody. You know, I had a like a five

527
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 3: minute conversation. I remember Vinnie Magalish, who was you know,

528
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 3: you know Vinie Magalish's.

529
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 2: Still around it. Yeah, yeah, he was.

530
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,959
Speaker 3: He'd got He was working with a team quest at

531
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 3: the time, helping Dan Henderson, So he was kind of

532
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 3: walking around with me and he introduced me to Dana White,

533
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 3: and you know, it just kind of sat there and

534
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,199
Speaker 3: talked to Dana for a few minutes. It was I mean,

535
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 3: that's the way it was back then. There was no

536
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,119
Speaker 3: real big expectation. It was just very conversational and it

537
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 3: was still him kind of selling you on the product,

538
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 3: which was just a complete difference of what it is today.

539
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Speaker 1: I think that's why Dana Is still has such a

540
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 1: heart on for newspapers or guys that came from newspapers.

541
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 1: He was out there on the front lines, going up

542
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 1: to the Kevin Niolis and convincing them and their bosses

543
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: to cover it. I mean, obviously the tables have shifted

544
00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: through the years in.

545
00:21:58,960 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 2: Such a big way.

546
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Speaker 1: Do you guys miss out all that old renegade did it?

547
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: And I don't mean the one who's putting on the

548
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 1: video against Lurid Hunt and a lot of missteps that

549
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: we can all be glad we're generations to go. But

550
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: that Dana that was fighting to keep the brand above water,

551
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: do you guys kind of miss.

552
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: That spirit out of them? Kind of? I do. I

553
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 2: will tell you this.

554
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Speaker 4: I don't know if I miss it in the sense

555
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 4: that I was ever a fan or not, but I'll

556
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 4: say this for him, the guy you know, and really you.

557
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 2: Can make it. There might be I don't.

558
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 3: I don't know the ins and outs of his medical history,

559
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 3: but there are certainly issues with his hearing. He was

560
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 3: He did have a public spat with Meneer's disease, which

561
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 3: you had to seek treatment overseas for which obviously you.

562
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 2: Know, we don't wish ill health on anyone.

563
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 4: I would say this, dude, that guy, and like from

564
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 4: like you know, even before Tough, but like really like

565
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 4: two thousand and six, maybe maybe you can go back

566
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 4: to five post Tough, all the way up till shit

567
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 4: like the sale of the UFC, That dude was all

568
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 4: gas pedal As a promoter, man, I don't know if

569
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,239
Speaker 4: I've seen a promoter work harder than him in like

570
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 4: Bob barm obviously was with people who knows like Barbaram

571
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 4: like Red Ali and shit like Bob Barrams put it

572
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 4: in his he'd been in the trenches too. But dude,

573
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 4: like you can say that Dana overstepped, and I certainly

574
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 4: think he did. And there's been a lot of times

575
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 4: I've had disagreements with whatever thing he said, and this

576
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 4: and the other, plenty of plenty of plenty, But what

577
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 4: you cannot say is, Dude, that guy was a relentless.

578
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 2: Advocate for MMA in the public.

579
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 4: Sometimes we're better for worse, but the relentlessness was unimpeachable.

580
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 4: He promoted MMA as in the UFC, certainly and more more,

581
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 4: as hard as he could.

582
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 2: Enthusiasm was infectious. It was his enthusiasm.

583
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 3: The way he's the way he viewed it, the way

584
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 3: he was presenting it, the way he cared about it

585
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 3: was infectious. I always give him credit for that because

586
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 3: I think that the way he talked to media and stuff,

587
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 3: the way he sold the fight, so it wasn't even

588
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 3: selling it. I really believe he was telling you what

589
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 3: he thought at the time. I think he he cared

590
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 3: to that extent. It was his baby, Uh, you know,

591
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 3: he wanted this thing to go across, and he did

592
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 3: everything he possibly could. If there was a new piece

593
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 3: of media there, like a new media outlet that was

594
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 3: looking at it. He would make time to go and

595
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 3: talk to that person and give them whatever they needed,

596
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like he would do those

597
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 3: steps and he very like you mentioned Laret Hunt, he

598
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 3: would get very upset when he felt like people were

599
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 3: not looking at him, which was also very strangely like

600
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 3: so Dana's personality, it kind of came through during those times,

601
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 3: right like his whole the whole gamut of who he

602
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 3: could be. Like, I know that he got mad at

603
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 3: like sure Dog. I mean he got mad at sr

604
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 3: Dog for running a piece on Ben Askern when there

605
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 3: was an event and he I mean he was black,

606
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 3: you know, you know what I mean, Like he was

607
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 3: doing stuff like that. That was just it showed you

608
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 3: the full extent of how he thought. But also he

609
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 3: did care. But I do kind of miss that feeling

610
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 3: of you'd show up and it was like you felt

611
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 3: like he was in. Everybody was kind of in on

612
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 3: it together to get this thing into a legitimate I.

613
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: Mean space fighters obviously, and this has been a it's

614
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 1: weird now in light of all the fighter pay talk

615
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: currently in twenty twenty two.

616
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: But he made the fighters fight there fricking ass was.

617
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: Off, not just to keep their job and to get

618
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: to the next level, but to keep the brand aflow.

619
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 2: It became almost a.

620
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: Contagious sort of like say it without saying maybe still

621
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 1: say in a locker room to fire the guys up.

622
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: You hear those speeches on the old Tough episodes. But

623
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: I feel like it was contagious to the level where

624
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: people like, if I go out there and fight my

625
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: ass off and match Dana's spirit and his.

626
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 2: Energy, we're going to do We're gonna get paid tomorrow.

627
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 3: Because they would have all the after the WANs, they

628
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 3: would have everybody just sit on the whatever whatever arena was.

629
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 3: I saw this a couple of times where they would

630
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 3: just have everybody who is going to be competing sitting

631
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 3: in an area and Dana would address them. Do you

632
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 3: remember these things Like he would address it was a

633
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 3: pep talk, a pep talk saying like he was basically saying, hey,

634
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 3: there's performance bonuses available, go out there and you know,

635
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 3: put it all on the line, Like crazy to actually

636
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 3: think about in today's day age. But he used to

637
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 3: do that too, Like he would just every single thing

638
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 3: from monitoring the walkout songs, you know what I mean

639
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 3: to just just about every element he was in touch with.

640
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: He was literally paying attention to the only thing I

641
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 3: would say in media too, like you paid attention that way.

642
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: So what do you think about this idea though?

643
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 4: Like it can be both things, which is to say,

644
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 4: on the one hand, can we commend Dana for like

645
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 4: you know, just in your words, like enthusiasm, relentlessness, just

646
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 4: pushing the brand and the sport in a way that

647
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 4: perhaps no one else even could have at the time.

648
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 4: At the same time, some of those practices as they

649
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 4: got grandfathered in, that just kind of turned into a

650
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 4: like arguable monopoly over time how much control the exert.

651
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 4: So I appreciate it, I appreciate the effort. I appreciate

652
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 4: the effort, But there is a larger question about some

653
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 4: of that stuff, right of course.

654
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 3: Sorry sorry bro, Absolutely, And that's really with the so contexts.

655
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 3: Once the contexts and everything starts to catch up, obviously,

656
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 3: that delivers us in the state we're in now, which is,

657
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 3: unless you're a shill for the UFC, you're paying attention

658
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 3: on levels that you weren't back then. Right, you're letting

659
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 3: a lot of things go back then because everybody was

660
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 3: everybody was sharing in that enthusiasm and be honest, and

661
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Speaker 3: if you read, if you really went back and looked

662
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Speaker 3: at pieces pre twenty ten, I mean, there's really not

663
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Speaker 3: a lot of negative media. I mean, you know, unless

664
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Speaker 3: they unless they're not trying to cover the spport for real,

665
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Speaker 3: they're just dipping their toe. Almost everything was completely positive,

666
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So it's like it was

667
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 3: that kind of environment. So yes, looking back when I

668
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: think that's why some in some ways the UFC doesn't

669
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 3: like to be too nostalgic to because of those types

670
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: of things, the lawsuit, the things that were going on

671
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: that some of the things, you know, absorbing strike for

672
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 3: all that stuff, you know what I mean, like just

673
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: everything they were doing at the time.

674
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Speaker 2: What was the first good paycheck you got in mm.

675
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: A, I got to take a whiz.

676
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: I mismanaged my before you go. Let's have a little conversation.

677
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys can keep talking, you know, that's fine,

678
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 2: that's we will.

679
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 4: Let's have a little revisiting of the events here before

680
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 4: we actually went live. You got mad at me for getting.

681
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: Up to go here.

682
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: You are mismanaging on your phone, and then when we're

683
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: finally about to go, you're like, hold on, I gotta

684
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Speaker 1: little yurnal. My grandfather would piss in the bottle on

685
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: the drave with a full family in the car.

686
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 2: Just depends and that's the end of this conversation.

687
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Speaker 4: Yees s gopee couch is getting world a beast.

688
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 2: Milk boy Seltzer over him.

689
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Speaker 3: It runs through me. Quiz Actually, I bet it does. First,

690
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 3: big paycheck, Well, I would say that, like, okay, when

691
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 3: I say big pitcheck, the first thing was you make

692
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 3: some amount of money where it was worth it.

693
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: You're worth your while.

694
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: And this is important because I feel like a lot

695
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 3: of people to this day still accept almost no pay

696
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: just to be able to cover the sport, even as

697
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 3: a part time hobby.

698
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: So many people do this.

699
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 3: I didn't want to do that, but the jobs I

700
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 3: was doing early on in the sport were like I

701
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 3: did a brock Lesner piece for Fight Magazine.

702
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: In two thousand and eight.

703
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: I went out to Alexandria, Virginia, Alexandria, Minnesota, where he

704
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: was living at the time, and did this piece on him.

705
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: Wrote the piece and and everything.

706
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, one of the rare times where I

707
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: was like, I mean, he doesn't really grant that sort

708
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: of thing.

709
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: So it was like one of these big moments.

710
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: But it was one of the first things I did

711
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 3: that you're really on site and you're doing a like that,

712
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: and they really liked that. They paid pretty well, like

713
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: considering it was a fight very specific magazine. A lot

714
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: of national magazines pay, you know, a couple of dollars

715
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 3: per word. They were paying something like a dollar fifty

716
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 3: per word. It was like, you know, very comparative to

717
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: like the you know what I mean, like the the

718
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: bigger magazines that were out there. I wrote for Blender Magazine,

719
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 3: I've had Bylin's Rolling Stone. It was better than all

720
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: of that, you know, Like so that was probably the

721
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: first time I was like, you know, maybe there is

722
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 3: a dollar in this racket.

723
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 4: You know, maybe there is. And so how long did

724
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 4: you write it magazines before you ended up? I guess,

725
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 4: I guess I I we met. I want to say,

726
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 4: do we meet at the GSP shields fight? Like, do

727
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 4: we formally introducers?

728
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: Like you introduced yourself to me, I believe at UC

729
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: And that was like twenty eleven and something like that.

730
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: One that might be right, you were already well, I

731
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: thought I didn't go to many shows at that time,

732
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: like it. Once possibly met on the set of MMAB

733
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Speaker 3: Really right, Oh we met at the fight.

734
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Speaker 2: You introduced yourself to me one time. I'm we were

735
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,959
Speaker 2: like a postfight presser or something like that.

736
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Speaker 3: Okay, that's I mean, I don't remember the MMA beats

737
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: full thing, but that sounds about right. It was in

738
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Speaker 3: that It was in that time, Yeah, yeah, I think so.

739
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 3: But you know, at that point, I was already working

740
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 3: at ESPN, so uh from twenty ten, so after I

741
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 3: was doing the Fight magazine covers. I think I did

742
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 3: like twelve of them, like I did a bunch, so

743
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 3: I was I was flying out to Vegas to talk

744
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: that Joseph Beinavitez, you know guys like this.

745
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: There were players at the time. Was that pre Megan?

746
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 3: No, she was, but she was a secret Meghan early

747
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 3: feel nobody knew, like nobody was really talking about it.

748
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: But do you think they would last back then? Chuck? No,

749
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,719
Speaker 2: come on, I didn't think. No, I didn't. I didn't really,

750
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: I didn't care. But she was glad you hear, Brian.

751
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 3: And then I started ESPN, and then uh, you know,

752
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: and then it like you know, it took off from

753
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 3: there because at that point you're writing for ESPN and

754
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 3: you're like you're doing whatever they're you know, the.

755
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: Dream team going esp Okay, the lead editor was Darius Ortiz,

756
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: remember him.

757
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: I was the backup editor.

758
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Speaker 1: Your writing team was Bretto Kamoto, Josh Gross, Chad Dunnis

759
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:04,239
Speaker 1: and Chuck Mindon All.

760
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: That's right. That the staff. That's a staff right there.

761
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: Franklin O'Neill.

762
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Franklin McNeil there who was contributing yet John Anna

763
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Speaker 1: My Live with Rashod and with Pat Mills.

764
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Speaker 3: And this is an arrow when they didn't give a

765
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: fuck about it, man, they didn't. I mean we had

766
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: to fight for every like every scrap, you know, like

767
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: that type of thing you mean, like for for folks

768
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 3: who I know, like to get an article on the

769
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 3: front page of the host site. So I remember when

770
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Speaker 3: it's be hard to do, like they're gonna be stingy

771
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: with that real est UFC one thirty four in Brazil,

772
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Speaker 3: which ESPN was good enough to send me out for.

773
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: I did a bunch of stuff there and I remember

774
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: on fight night going on there and it was a

775
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 3: big deal. If you saw it on the front page

776
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Speaker 3: of ESPN dot com and it was.

777
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: And I was I was, now you go, and it's

778
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: like lasted on Saturday. A lot of time.

779
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 3: I saw my bioline, I saw that, I was like, whoa,

780
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: I've made it, and that was like whatever.

781
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: Year that was.

782
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 4: To listen, there's all kinds of good and bad parts

783
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 4: of the ESPN embrace of UFC, but it's a it's

784
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 4: a fucking full.

785
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: Well boxing too.

786
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't that ESPN didn't always have Friday

787
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: night fights and occasionally they dip in and get a

788
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: good boxing match, a championship level. But I left ESPN

789
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. Then UFC comes a year and a half later,

790
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: Top Ring Boxing. Now they're doing pay per views. We

791
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: were there at a time when you're right, they weren't

792
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: taking notice. They didn't really care, they didn't really trust

793
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: that there would be traffic there, that the audience would

794
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: want that.

795
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: That's not specific to ESPN. That's basically that's basically athletic.

796
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: It's just happens to be wherever I'm.

797
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 2: At at the time. So yeah, well that's why you're

798
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: a survivor ESPN athletic.

799
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 4: What were some of the things you got to do

800
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 4: at ESPN similar kinds of piece.

801
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: Did you do anything? I mean, look, I know there's

802
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: always some grunt work involved, but a non gruntsto. Do

803
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,959
Speaker 2: you remember a cat named Josh No, what was his name,

804
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: Josh Rosen?

805
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: Maybe he did a block Jake ros Rosen was also

806
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 3: a not Dana White's favorite guy.

807
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, but he was I see, okay,

808
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: so he could should over from Shirt Dog.

809
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 3: He should get a lot of credit because I felt

810
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: like he was the one guy who was not afraid

811
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: to make fun of the product.

812
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: Not even he was a five blog. Every single he.

813
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 3: Was like, I mean, it was on point, and I

814
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: remember seeing it. He was doing that, and when I

815
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: came in ESPN, I was like, I'm going to do

816
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 3: the exact same thing, Like I was going to do

817
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: exactly what he was doing.

818
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Speaker 2: And so that's what I did.

819
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 3: And he kind of disappeared because I guess they were

820
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 3: just kind of doing like a partnership with the Shirt

821
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: Dog at the time, but once they had actual writers

822
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: on their own payroll, I guess I kind of replaced him.

823
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 3: He still showed up like we did, like the hot

824
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: button debates and stuff like that. He was still show up.

825
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: I don't think he had a big interest in continuing

826
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: at some point. But basically I tried to just take

827
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 3: the baton what he was doing and do it exactly

828
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: like that. So I was I was hammering columns, opinion

829
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: things just as much as I possibly could. I was writing,

830
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 3: you know, three things a day. Sometimes you were just

831
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: like constantly just hammering that out. But that the most

832
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 3: fun I've ever had was in those early days of ESPN.

833
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: It was just like they weren't over monitoring like, so

834
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 3: they were sort of letting you just kind.

835
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Speaker 2: Of puttle money into it. They tried the.

836
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: Money into it. I went to a ton of events.

837
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: It was the first time I started really traveling with

838
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 3: the UFC and going to a lot of events and

839
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: all that stuff and getting to know everybody. So during

840
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 3: that boom, like I guess it's my own boom period

841
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 3: but kind of coincides honestly with the boom.

842
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: Period of MMA does. Yeah, that was. I mean, I

843
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: was gonna say it was great. I mean the whole thing.

844
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: We mean it when we say you got an incredible

845
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 1: crew Q rating you fill in on our show.

846
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: People like man, I just love Chuck can't they find

847
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: more roles for my MK? Can't they just mix them

848
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 2: in there more? Why just need you guys be on vacation?

849
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: Why have you lasted so long?

850
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: Why do the people love them some Chuck Mindenhall put

851
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: it into real words.

852
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I tell you it hasn't always

853
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: felt like they love me that much. I'll tell you, man,

854
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 3: There's been a ton of times where I've taken a

855
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: lot of heat. But I would say overall over the

856
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 3: course of time. Now this could be a criticism too,

857
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 3: like maybe people don't hate you enough, you know, but

858
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: over the course of time, I don't know. Like it

859
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: just I think I've somehow connected because of the writing aspect.

860
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 3: I think I was the one guy who was, like

861
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 3: you mentioned Ben folks are a couple of other people

862
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: who were hammering opinion type pieces and stuff. But I

863
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: was pretty consistent with it for ten years, like just

864
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 3: doing that. I think they got used to it. I

865
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 3: never I never came at it from a mean spirited

866
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 3: or vindictive place. I tried to keep it and I

867
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 3: was not afraid to write very scathing columns. But I

868
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: think that I always tried to keep it relatively look

869
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: at this relatively, I think they would say like benevolent,

870
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: you know, like we're trying to be not uplifting, but

871
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 3: just you're not trying to be a negative little space,

872
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 3: not trying to be cruel, and actually having that empathy

873
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 3: and things, and those things really are nuanced things over

874
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,959
Speaker 3: the course of time. There are a lot of people

875
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: who write about the hype of games before the fights,

876
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 3: before they happen, but there's very few people writing empathetically

877
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 3: on Sunday morning about what just happened to this guy

878
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: who lost or whatever.

879
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: You know.

880
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 3: I did that, you know, but I was very conscious

881
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 3: of it, like they were very you know, I would

882
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 3: put a lot of thought into what's the real thing

883
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 3: I should be covering here, not just jumping on some

884
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 3: kind of you know, fiery topic and just hammering somebody

885
00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: or whatever.

886
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: I didn't really do that. I mean, that's I would

887
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: like to think that that's that part of it. Do

888
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 2: you ever get head like that from a colach? Okay,

889
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: that's really what I want to know. Okay, no names here,

890
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 2: but you could.

891
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: Not be more disinterested in this life and this job

892
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: and this show.

893
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it's great for your joke. Can I get

894
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: more of that milk boys hard Dad, Seltzer. I mean,

895
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: what do we got going on?

896
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 3: Heart tender? Yeah?

897
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: Who is your brain?

898
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm drinking it because I want to get that bag baby,

899
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: the one that Dana gave him.

900
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 4: If they didn't catch that yet, you know you're trying

901
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 4: to have Seltzer to get two hundred and fifty k large.

902
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: I want to connect with a younger. All right, could

903
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: you walk in more awkwardly to do that thing in

904
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: front of it? Thank you? The hell was that? You

905
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: got more beer down here on the ground, right, Chuck?

906
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: Favorite things you've written? Any stand out? Oh? Man, this

907
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: is great. See I think I thought all shows should

908
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: be about me and like what it's fun? Right, this

909
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: is great? Is tricky? Sorry, he goes, hold on to

910
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: that one. D C, d C, d C.

911
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 3: The best thing, my favorite thing. There's so many columns

912
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 3: that I really like. But then there's sometimes you write

913
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: a column that you think you're you know, I couldn't

914
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 3: have been better, but if you felt like people didn't

915
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: read it, you know, it would just fall flat. And

916
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 3: there's a couple of times when you wrote something where

917
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: you thought it was just okay and everybody loved it.

918
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: You know, it's got to be the strange roup piece.

919
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 3: So the strange if you're talking about the longer form

920
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 3: people around, that was the one. So tell the people

921
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 3: the story. What is well, you like the full story

922
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: because I mean honest. Season one okay, so season one

923
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: talk about so there was one guy Season one being

924
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: what it is, right like, you got to put it

925
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 3: in the conta. Season one was the one that I

926
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 3: think most people have paid attention to. If you're following

927
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 3: the sport, you've paid attention to Tough, the original Tough

928
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 3: because of the Bonnard Griffin, all that stuff that played

929
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 3: out and it being this big moment for the UFC

930
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: in the finale, all that stuff. But the one forgotten

931
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 3: figure in this weird way, who's not totally forgotten because

932
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 3: people remembered his name, was the strange brew Jason Thacker, right,

933
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 3: So he was this guy who never belonged on that show.

934
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: It almost felt like he was being thrown to the wolves.

935
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: And this is also a time at MMA. Sorry in

936
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: a rope. Yeah, I make a brief where yes, he's

937
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: used to it, he's been on the show. You're used

938
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: to be trampling all your good ideas with my bullshit.

939
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 4: But but the long story shortfit of people who may

940
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 4: not have seen season one or understand the context season

941
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 4: one of MMA or is tough. Yes, there's a last

942
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 4: pick every time, right in every season, but you understand,

943
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 4: this was at a time when like, yeah, the guys

944
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 4: who were good were really good. There's a lot of

945
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 4: fringe players in the sport at the time, people who

946
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 4: now would have been weeded out much earlier in the process.

947
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 4: So the dude was like he was I cannot explain

948
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 4: to you how much he was out of his element.

949
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 3: He was way out of his element even at physically

950
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 3: he didn't look like he belonged there. The coaches kind

951
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: of picked on him in the season, you know, Chris

952
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 3: Leebin spritzed in his bed, you know what I mean.

953
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 3: He was just kind of the butt of all jokes.

954
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: And I think that coming out of it because we

955
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: had never heard from him again. I mean literally, he

956
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 3: had no there is no trace in him you could

957
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 3: find in like social media or anything like that that

958
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: I was like, what happened to this guy? So for

959
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 3: a year, like not for years, I would say for

960
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 3: a good year and a half though, I was asking around,

961
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 3: like where is he isbody talked to him talking to

962
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: old school guys Greg Savage, guys who are around back

963
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: in the day, and be like, hey, man, have you

964
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 3: do you know anything about him?

965
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: Thomas? You're baizy Thomas Rios. Thomas Rios. I don't know.

966
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 2: If I asked him, he wouldn't have been much good

967
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: in that. But uh, I was.

968
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 3: Uh, I was asking a lot of these guys. That's

969
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 3: another negative voice that was Actually I forgot all about that.

970
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: If you're Thomas Rios, if you're watching this, I used

971
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: to read your shit. You were great, you were edging

972
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 2: sure that guy. Anyway, I'll tell you yeah, actually I

973
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: kind of remember.

974
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: So apparently what's happening is they're staging a podcast behind

975
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 3: us while we record this podcast.

976
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: It's a podcast on noisily moving furniture. I love, Like.

977
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,479
Speaker 3: Wow, So he couldn't be found, And I kept talking

978
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 3: about this because I was like, this is probably I

979
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 3: was able to basic make a gut decision like I

980
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 3: can guarantee he's out of the spotlight on purpose because

981
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 3: he was humiliated by what happened to him on the show.

982
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: But you know you're pitching it.

983
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 3: You're pitching you want to do this feature and a

984
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 3: guy that is a very marginal figure in the sport,

985
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 3: even though you know it's going to be a good story.

986
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: It's the white whale, right, and nobody had People had

987
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: tried to get him before, even for reunion stuff, and

988
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 3: they couldn't get him. So I did this whole thing

989
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 3: where I had to trace him down and track him down.

990
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 3: I tried a million different avenues, and finally, I'm sort

991
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: of embarrassed that this is because it shows like the

992
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: level of journalism I'm doing. I called Nevada. I think

993
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 3: it was Nevada and I called or was it, No,

994
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 3: it was Nevada. I called Nevada and I just asked them,

995
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: like they're whatever, They're uh called the state of Nevada, Yeah, yeah,

996
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 3: or whatever, and I asked them, I forget exactly I

997
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: found it, but they gave me a number that I

998
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 3: hadn't had yet, and I called this number and he

999
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 3: answered and I was like, what the hell. And then

1000
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 3: it became this process of convincing him to let me

1001
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 3: come visit, telling him, hey, man, I'm going to tell

1002
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 3: your story in a truthful way.

1003
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: And that went on for a couple of months.

1004
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 3: It was like the I've never been involved in a

1005
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 3: piece that required that much kind of legwork just to

1006
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 3: get it rolling. And then I had to talk to

1007
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 3: guys to do the full context of the story of

1008
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 3: Craig Poleisian is his name like that? The dude the

1009
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: original uh yeah, like and guys like that, to get

1010
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: the full story of how they viewed it, how they

1011
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: were kind of seeing it. And then once I went

1012
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 3: out there, and I wasn't sure if he would Once

1013
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 3: he agreed to it, which took some convincing, I went.

1014
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: Out there, found him.

1015
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 3: He's like an hour out of Vancouver in this very

1016
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: remote little area and and all that, and it was

1017
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: I was able to get him, and I was so

1018
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 3: afraid he wouldn't show it. He looked like Roy Neilson,

1019
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: like you'd get big beard. And it turned out to

1020
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 3: be exactly what I feared. You know, the guy's life,

1021
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 3: it did not severely affected by He did not seem

1022
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: to miss mma, not at all, not miss it, but

1023
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 3: scarred like where he said, you know, he's telling his

1024
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: stories about being bullied all you know, people wanting to

1025
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 3: pick fights with him in bars afterwards him stuff. Yeah,

1026
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 3: just and things were so he just retreated into a

1027
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: into his own little wilderness and lived basically with his

1028
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 3: family on a little compound and he just had no

1029
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 3: reason to want to come out.

1030
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: And so this.

1031
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, very similar, I'm in but this is how it

1032
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 3: all came up. And so I told that story and

1033
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 3: I tried to put the balance in it from the

1034
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 3: other side of how why they did it?

1035
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: You wrote, wrote it was what did he say about it?

1036
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:25,479
Speaker 2: About the piece?

1037
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 3: He was grateful for the piece, and somebody started a

1038
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 3: GoFundMe for him because he was he was, I mean,

1039
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: they were not thriving where they were, you know, and

1040
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 3: it raised I don't know, five figures.

1041
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: It was like in the five figures.

1042
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: And and he sent me a note one time, one night,

1043
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: one time, he sent me a note on email that

1044
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 3: it was just basically like, thank you very much. I

1045
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 3: appreciate what you've done. And I asked him, would you

1046
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 3: just send a post some kind of video to say

1047
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 3: that you know what you think? Because I knew this

1048
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: would be the last time we hear from him.

1049
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: He did that.

1050
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 3: He posted a video that we like, you know, everybody

1051
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 3: posted around saying thank you. And in his little barn

1052
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: where he has a heavy bag and all this stuff,

1053
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 3: and then that was it. I don't think anybody's heard

1054
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 3: from him again since just the weirdest.

1055
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: You should take that spirit and start tracking down missing people,

1056
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: all right, I thought about others, Wayne Williams. Whatever happened

1057
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: to Wayne Williams? I mean no, but I mean there

1058
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: probably Jesus you could. You could.

1059
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure you could go down. But see that this

1060
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 3: one was unique because it was tough one. Right, it

1061
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: was tough one. It's the white whales, So the white

1062
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 3: whale story. So I was like I needed to do that.

1063
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 3: How many stories?

1064
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: Is like?

1065
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 4: You know, I got an exclusive interview with so and so.

1066
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 4: Yeah for this media cycle. The next media cycle, someone

1067
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 4: else will get the exclusive for whatever. Fucking so find

1068
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 4: just bleed?

1069
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 3: Guy?

1070
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 2: Was that you who who find? No? I wasn't somebody

1071
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: found him? Oh?

1072
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 4: The dude who was like the original liked some time

1073
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 4: the original?

1074
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: It was you as a fan. Basically it was close

1075
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 2: enough spirit certainly, Thomas. Yeah, I have a story about

1076
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: that board. Wow, Chuck, speaking of R.

1077
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: Kelly's favorite ninety song, all over You, Okay, he just

1078
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: went to jail, Chuck, what would you say, because I've

1079
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: always said the most ninety song you guys are.

1080
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 2: Much much more strict with your favorite anyway, Semi charm

1081
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: Life by Third Eye One.

1082
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: It's just when you hear that, it's the most nineties

1083
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: pop rocks, amazing radius, What is what is.

1084
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: The defining nineties song? For your mind?

1085
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 3: Oh my God, for your ears, for your well, for

1086
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: you Because there's difference, there's really different eras.

1087
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: Because if you're talking about the Nirvana stuff, I mean.

1088
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 3: That's there is a split in early late nineties because

1089
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 3: once you get to the mid nineties, there was a

1090
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 3: lot of vanilla what you enjoyed.

1091
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: We had real grunge in the early to mid nineties.

1092
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,959
Speaker 1: Then that obviously became pop grunge, which they found money

1093
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 1: in it. But unfortunately then that became the Westock ninety

1094
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: nine boy bands, like New.

1095
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: Metal, all that bullshit. Man.

1096
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: So in between there were a few hits or a

1097
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: few jams. I mean, if Machine Head by Bush was

1098
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: on right, I'd be like, I.

1099
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: Mean, breath, There's so many, but they were all different.

1100
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 2: They felt like because I guess it was the last

1101
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: great time for radio, you know, a monoculture where everybody's

1102
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 2: listening to the rain.

1103
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 4: When we grew up, I told people this like the

1104
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 4: guy who was the local morning DJ in your rock station.

1105
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 4: It was a fucking celebrity in town. Yeah so, but

1106
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 4: it felt like there are many eras within one one decade.

1107
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 4: But maybe filter heymn nhom nice shot. That is a

1108
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 4: hell that's a deep dive, right there?

1109
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: Is it? I felt I would have you there Wasn't

1110
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 2: that the lead singer's song to Kurt Cobain. Isn't that right?

1111
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: Is that what it was? I don't even know that.

1112
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 3: Okay, so let me just preface that by saying I

1113
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 3: read it on the internet. I cannot vouch for his veracity.

1114
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 3: I felt like it was about some politician or something,

1115
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 3: but I don't remember the story, to be honest, man, you're.

1116
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: The guy like I thought you would go a little

1117
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: more mainstream for your like song of the nineties that

1118
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: defines the nineties that.

1119
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 2: When I hear it, I minds it is that maybe

1120
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: are alive. I mean there's a few in this category. Okay, yeah,

1121
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: flukeas and it looks like I guess you like shitting

1122
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: on a gold by No So.

1123
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 4: Back at the time, I was probably listening to the

1124
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 4: same kind of bullshit rock that BC was to be

1125
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 4: canned a little on the heavier side for sure. I

1126
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 4: definitely like I like Slayer in high school. I like

1127
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 4: Metallica in high school, but I didn't.

1128
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean pretty hate machine. It got a lot

1129
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: of people to see.

1130
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I was also like listening to Helmet and

1131
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 4: then eventually Pantera and stuff like that.

1132
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 3: So I'm a little a little bit. You're a little

1133
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 3: bit on the outskirts of the mainstream ring a little bit. Look,

1134
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 3: that's all right, so was I. I saw My first

1135
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: concert was Collective Soul A bit.

1136
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: You like the live? You like live? I did. I've

1137
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: seen live a bunch of times, you know, Yeah.

1138
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: They got to pop in the back, ye yeahs I

1139
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: am Wow, Chuck, what's the look? I don't care if

1140
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: you think this is a bullshit question because it gets

1141
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: me going inside.

1142
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: All right, See where were you pointing? It wasn't his drink.

1143
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that much. What's the best what's the

1144
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: best fight you've ever seen in person? For me?

1145
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: We already know, we already know it's out of sunny gas.

1146
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: We are they fucking know the answer, Chuck? What's your answer?

1147
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: You got to be in the arena.

1148
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: Well, there's a couple of them. I was at the

1149
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: pat Berry Uh, Pittsburgh. Yeah, how were you in Pittsburgh?

1150
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 2: Down because the ESPN I used to do all this stuff.

1151
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: But wait, was that the Nate Mark show? Yeah?

1152
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: The was it?

1153
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: Like Mark, like Charlie Brenneman has had to step up

1154
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: or something like that? Wasn't Yeah he had? It was

1155
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: the t R T era and right, I think yeah,

1156
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 2: Mark whort was it was Rick story? Maybe I don't remember.

1157
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 3: What I remember the most is that fight and Chris

1158
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 3: Birdman Anderson was partying with us with the Acre shots

1159
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 3: and all this stuff.

1160
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: You know, Chris Birdman, he was at the fights and

1161
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: he's laughing at our content back gallery, back there. How

1162
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 2: many Dell dates are on? I'm on, I'm on an

1163
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: elevator in Pittsburgh.

1164
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 3: First of all, the Pittsburgh one really stands up because

1165
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 3: there was a furry can. Okay, the President of the

1166
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 3: United States has stated in our hotel Jesus, dude, this

1167
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 3: story is like the state.

1168
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: The President of the United States furrys and m m

1169
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 2: a Pittsburgh. Oh my god, she wrote about this. I'd

1170
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 2: have to find the piece. But the firs, like the

1171
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 2: President United States, had just left and then there was

1172
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: a furry convention right on the heels of that, so

1173
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: there was like, what's a fury can. It's like inloo

1174
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: dress up like it's people.

1175
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 4: Who cosplay as like Teddy Bears and they fuck each

1176
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 4: other that way and ship it's so weird.

1177
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: That's so weird.

1178
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 3: So there's one of these and then the uf I mean,

1179
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 3: by the way, that's the least scientific credible answer, but

1180
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: that's all you really need.

1181
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: To know about it.

1182
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 3: It's like the shining at the end with a Teddy

1183
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 3: Bear like whatever like that, but itways, uh they and

1184
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 3: then and then the UFC was there on top of this,

1185
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 3: so it was like that's their fighter hotel and all this.

1186
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 3: And then so all this is going, You're seeing all

1187
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 3: this crazy things within you know, within the hotel itself.

1188
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 2: And then I'm on the elevator.

1189
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 3: I'm wearing a Colorado Rockys hat and there's this tall

1190
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 3: dude and he's like, are you from Colorado? And I'm

1191
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: like originally, you know, he's like and he just kind

1192
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 3: of looks at me, and I'm like, I'm sitting there.

1193
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 3: He's like six ' ten.

1194
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: You know. That's his way of saying, do you have drugs?

1195
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: That I was looking at it. I was looking at

1196
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 3: him and there I'm like, no way, and he's like

1197
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 3: he just shook his said like you expected me to

1198
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 3: like figure.

1199
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: Out who he was. And then we got off.

1200
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: It was Chris Birdman Anderson and we go to the

1201
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 3: bar and he's buying you know, Ciager bombs and all

1202
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 3: this stuff.

1203
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: It was great. I was We were hanging out with

1204
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 2: him all night at that great. He was an awesome guy. Man,

1205
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 2: do you always have a.

1206
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: Way and maybe that's just your personality of hanging out

1207
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: with cool people.

1208
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 2: Like you brought up with clever to share at the

1209
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 2: local bar. Cool, This is true. Cool people love hanging

1210
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: out with Chuckman. Our guy for Corey Graves from w

1211
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: W was.

1212
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 3: He's your boy too. R Yeah, but these cats lived,

1213
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 3: I mean in my town. You know they're right there

1214
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: in my town.

1215
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: So it's easy. But I chucked that off with Corey. Right,

1216
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 2: he touched that really good weed. This is possible. He's

1217
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 2: from Colorado. We haven't talked.

1218
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 4: We have talked about it all. We talked about ESPN.

1219
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 4: We should talk a little bit about we worked together briefly. Yeah,

1220
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 4: yeah for now a few years.

1221
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: Right. He actually touched the reason why you and I

1222
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: are married right now. That might be true, That actually

1223
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 2: might be true. You were the matchmaker Chuck, Yeah, I

1224
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: guess that's true. That actually remembers that is true. You're

1225
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: looking for M M A B.

1226
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 3: Remember we were looking for M beat people on the

1227
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 3: East Coast and I said, have you try checked him

1228
00:49:59,080 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 3: with Brian Campbell?

1229
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 2: And that's what was reaction?

1230
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 4: What was it?

1231
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: He's like, Brian, what you know? He didn't know what

1232
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 2: that was. No, I knew who you were. I didn't

1233
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:07,919
Speaker 2: know you by name. I don't know your name because

1234
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 2: we had met previously. Yeah, really didn't know that about.

1235
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 4: I'm not you know me with names. I mean, it

1236
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 4: took me a while to get you to your name.

1237
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 4: Let's oh wow, okay, but no, so I have authored

1238
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 4: but so.

1239
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,479
Speaker 2: But then BC came on. Of course, the rest is history.

1240
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 3: But we had some good Listen, we all have our

1241
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 3: different differences, but we had because we had some good

1242
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 3: times there. Oh yeah, manff, tell me about what it

1243
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 3: was like to be on the real A team, the

1244
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 3: real A team for the original MMA beat A team.

1245
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 3: So you me Ariel and then the old Wags.

1246
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of like you're the Beatles of

1247
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: m Man. I'm joking. I mean, shut yours, okay, okay, okay,

1248
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 2: But like that was that was a pretty good time

1249
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: to be alive in the MMA meeting. It was all right.

1250
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 3: I thought that that crew, I know you were talking

1251
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 3: about ESPN screw, but I thought that that particular crew

1252
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 3: was about as good as guess because everybody had their

1253
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 3: lane essentially.

1254
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: Like uh Wagenheim was the drug lane. Just yes, yes, yes,

1255
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: so Jeff kind of entering the space as that guy.

1256
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 3: But I'm talking about the MMA fighting crew in general,

1257
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 3: because you had Ariel and you who are you know,

1258
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 3: your guys are doing what you do and you're still

1259
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 3: doing it and people are paying attention to that. But

1260
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 3: you had you know, Mark Romandi was there and Sean

1261
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: El Shaddy and Esther Lynne is the best, you know photographer.

1262
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: You had everything like that. So it was kind of

1263
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 3: like an extension of that, right like to do the

1264
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 3: MMA beat.

1265
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 2: I thought, Conker shout out. So yeah, everybody was pretty good.

1266
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 3: But the the MMA beat was it was like kind

1267
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 3: of like I felt like it was it hit all

1268
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 3: the spots because we were all very different, you know

1269
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 3: what I mean.

1270
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: I felt like it was it was cool to be

1271
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 2: on that Uh, it was. It was.

1272
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 3: The original idea was kind of to be like the

1273
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 3: sports reporters or something like that. And I mean people

1274
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 3: still ask me about that all the time. I'm sure

1275
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 3: you get it too, Like people asked, when you guys

1276
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 3: can bring back the MMA beat? You know, so it's

1277
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 3: a it's one of those things.

1278
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 2: But it was fun.

1279
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: Well, the original idea was it for to be classy

1280
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: under the aerial flag. But by episode two hundred, when

1281
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 1: they dropped a little bits on that, the landscape was different,

1282
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: the flavor was different from Brian Tucker.

1283
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 2: Was he trying to tone you down? There? There was

1284
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: a time I went through I may have gone to

1285
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: see that one, sorry Box, I may have.

1286
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 4: Gone to fairness. It was probably you know, deserve. But

1287
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 4: like the truth of that show is that was Ariel's brainchild.

1288
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 4: And more to the point we talked about with Ja Pettes,

1289
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 4: I never got that straight.

1290
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 3: I was on episode one, I kind of thought aerial more.

1291
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know for certain, I think he

1292
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: was the one who wanted to be like the sport.

1293
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: But this is my point.

1294
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 4: Ariel obviously was alway has always been a big fan

1295
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 4: of regular sports media, like he could cover.

1296
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: He's a fan of other sports and so he understands

1297
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: what what that sort of looks like.

1298
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 4: And at the time, major sports entities they kind of

1299
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 4: had animate reports and stuff, but they weren't doing that

1300
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 4: kind of show, and so it was almost like we

1301
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 4: talk about what's different. At the time, it was a

1302
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 4: little bit of a you know, you're lucky to do

1303
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 4: a project like that, but it's also one of necessity, right, Yeah.

1304
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: Yes, there was a space for it. I think that

1305
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: people really dug it.

1306
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 3: To this day, there are people like Lorenzo Fortita is

1307
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 3: one of the people who's talked to me about the

1308
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 3: MMA be the guy would watch it during his walk

1309
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 3: like when he was working out things like that. Nate Diaz,

1310
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 3: who I saw in Vegas last month, same thing. He

1311
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 3: knew a lot of the show was about. MBD was

1312
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 3: naming episodes. He had it on his phone.

1313
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 2: He was finding No.

1314
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: Seriously, yeah, you resolve that when you're at that level

1315
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: and you make a show like that. But to actually

1316
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: see it permeate where people in the business, like.

1317
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: I got to hear what these guys are saying. That

1318
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 2: was what was fun.

1319
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 3: It's like I felt like our audience was like that,

1320
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 3: like everybody was paying attention to it, you know what

1321
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 3: I mean?

1322
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: So that that was cool. Yeah, yeah, I had a

1323
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 2: lot of fun too. When did you come on? What? Episode?

1324
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: Episode two hundred flat two hundred flat two hundred?

1325
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: Remember I made the brock Lessner joke off the start,

1326
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: and people thought I was chirping idiot, no about you

1327
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: know how he came to raise the rent on UFC

1328
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: two hundred.

1329
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: He came back for it, so I did the same.

1330
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: Hilarious And maybe you're like that in refstart, You're like,

1331
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 1: you're not that important BC.

1332
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you know it's fir So let's talk about

1333
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: some lessons you've learned in the game.

1334
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 3: What have you learned about MMA in the way that

1335
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 3: which you've seen it over the course of its life?

1336
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: Stay the hell out? Just kidding? Uh? What have I

1337
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 2: learned about it? What do you know?

1338
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 4: What do you understand about MMA now that like I

1339
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 4: don't know that maybe you didn't when you first got

1340
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 4: well I think just like I don't know how you

1341
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 4: guys got in, but I romanticized it so much you

1342
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 4: realize that as time goes on, Like how much you

1343
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 4: were looking at like this guy'sesn't invite him, and like

1344
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 4: you just you wanted you saw what you what wanted

1345
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 4: to see within the sport, and you kind of went

1346
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 4: with that through your We talked about this, I think

1347
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 4: on a morning combat reason.

1348
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 3: Through your five years of enthusiastic die Hard moments, you

1349
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like I did that. I went

1350
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 3: through that period of you know, just the idea of

1351
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 3: matchmaking this guy against this guy was like, oh my god,

1352
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 3: can you imagine.

1353
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 2: Period.

1354
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 3: I'm not out of it either entirely. I think it's

1355
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 3: good to stay in there, like we do this a lot.

1356
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 3: I still there's still plenty of matchups from I'm like,

1357
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 3: oh man, that's really good. But I'm not like I'm

1358
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 3: not like I was at that point, you know, but

1359
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 3: I would say, like, you.

1360
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: Know, it's just like anything.

1361
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 3: It's like with boxing or you know, back in the

1362
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 3: day and all that stuff, Like you just learn once

1363
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 3: you start to see how the sausage is made.

1364
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: Obviously it was some enthusiasts. Yeah, you do this conversation.

1365
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: Speaking of were you going to get any Christmas cards

1366
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: out to Joe Silva this or you got a great

1367
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: Joe Silva story which.

1368
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, yeah, you're talking about the Foxwood thing. Yeah,

1369
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: that guy cussed you, motherfucking Okay he did.

1370
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 3: I've told you this before though, Yeah, I mean in

1371
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 3: a nutshell. I wrote a piece I think it was

1372
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 3: UFC one seventy seven where Joe Soda was fighting on

1373
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 3: the in the main event of a paper against DJ,

1374
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 3: and I said, I made some remark because it's Joe Soda,

1375
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 3: was like, it doesn't matter how the fight plays out,

1376
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 3: because everything plays out in prospect. It doesn't matter what happens.

1377
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 3: I said, was it TJ? TJ Delshow could show up

1378
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 3: and shoot red beams out of his eyes and to

1379
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 3: centegrate Joe Soda and people would be like, well, it's

1380
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 3: Joe freaking Soda.

1381
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: Who cares, you know, Like blah blah blah.

1382
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 3: I made this column that was just kind of a

1383
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 3: humor thing and a lot of the there's a lot

1384
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 3: of levity in those columns back then. And they took

1385
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 3: umbradge to this and called me back say instead of

1386
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 3: doing a press conference, Dana called me backstage and they

1387
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 3: addressed me down for about half an hour at Foxwood.

1388
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 3: So just basically two of them was the nature of

1389
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 3: their complaint that you were, you know, just that I

1390
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 3: was for first of all, like just kind of not

1391
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 3: speaking out a turn essentially not like seeing the big

1392
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 3: picture sort of thing, focusing in not you know what

1393
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 3: I mean, like just kind of like that sort of thing,

1394
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 3: and then you know, shooting on my plate type thing.

1395
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 2: Will you guys make your money at this? Why would

1396
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 2: you want to shoot on this?

1397
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 3: You know, the actual in front of you, and then

1398
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 3: but not of that, To be honest, it was it

1399
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 3: started very severe and it was mostly Joe Silva who

1400
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 3: was actually like really doing the pacing and you know,

1401
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 3: veins popping his head. Dana was kind of the cooler

1402
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 3: presence of the two, which was pretty funny. But it

1403
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 3: kind of ended, you know, in a nice way. It

1404
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 3: wasn't like they were really I'm not.

1405
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 1: Here to saying about that. He's a Hall of Famer

1406
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: for a reason and he should be considered that. But

1407
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: when he retired I love that the first eulogy from

1408
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: everybody was because a motherfucker man, which means in the end,

1409
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: like how we had to be, like how we talk

1410
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: about Dana historically, he had to be, they had to

1411
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: be to win to that success Dana included he had

1412
00:56:58,239 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: to be.

1413
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 2: But dude, he dominated that job and knew exactly he

1414
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 2: was doing and he wasn't afraid.

1415
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 3: Like, you think about that job and people are like, oh,

1416
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 3: they glamorized the matchmaking aspect, but you're also the guy

1417
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 3: cuts everybody.

1418
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy who's you know, the guy has to

1419
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 2: tell your star that he's not worth the money.

1420
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 3: It was like seventy five twenty five in terms of

1421
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 3: what you wouldn't want to be dealing with towards you know,

1422
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 3: and then the matchmaking being the fun part of that job.

1423
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, no doubt about it. Did you ever

1424
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: get an angry phone call or did you ever get

1425
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 2: any issue.

1426
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: Outside of that four minute hit job video post Taichi Palace?

1427
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 2: I started, wait, wait what? I didn't even get an

1428
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 2: IMDb made the like the defiant video about how all

1429
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 2: the media was over hyping covid.

1430
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: Or doubting him to cod and out in their capacity,

1431
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: they pulled it. Yeah, but they pulled all the comments

1432
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: from the Taichi Palace.

1433
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 2: That's what they have sense conspicuously deleted. Outside of that,

1434
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: I have stayed out of Look, dude.

1435
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: Danny used to come to ESPN once a year before

1436
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: the ESPN, the long before twenty twelve thirteen sit down

1437
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: with us on the staff for like an outward shoot

1438
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: the ship We love Dana back.

1439
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 2: Then, you know, he wouldn't talk to Josh Gross. I

1440
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: know he wouldn't know. He wouldn't unfortunately, and so.

1441
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 4: They're just the one gloomy lesson. Give me you, like,

1442
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 4: what do you what do you say to young people

1443
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 4: who want to get involved in media, who potentially want

1444
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 4: to write or anything else any sort of Like I

1445
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 4: feel like all of my negative experience hasn't really been

1446
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 4: from the coverage itself.

1447
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 3: It's from the outlets themselves, Like, it's more from the

1448
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 3: places I'm working. Oh, chuck out here just but honestly.

1449
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 2: Man, I mean, il fuck you to be honest. I

1450
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 2: mean like that's that's kind of the game.

1451
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 3: Like I feel like the game itself, if you're rolling

1452
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 3: with the punches, no pun intend But if you're rolling

1453
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,479
Speaker 3: the punches of the fight game, you're gonna be fine.

1454
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 3: But it's really your outlet itself, Like are they allowing

1455
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 3: you to be creative and be who you want to be?

1456
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

1457
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 5: Like?

1458
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 3: Are they allowing you to do what you can do?

1459
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 3: And you know your talents are That's really what it

1460
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 3: comes down to. My biggest scripes would be more in

1461
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 3: that realm than actually what the sport has delivered or

1462
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 3: how it's turned or anything like that. Yeah, yeah, I'm

1463
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 3: surprised to hear that a little bit.

1464
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, not that you would be at odds with other

1465
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 4: people's creative vision, especially when they have power, but that

1466
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 4: the industry itself. Yeah, you've had, but you've had some

1467
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 4: pretty cool experiences though, cool experiences.

1468
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 3: And you know, I mean, if I had it my way,

1469
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 3: it would have been a I would just say to

1470
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 3: ESPN the whole time, like it would just started there.

1471
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 3: That's where you would still be. But that's not how

1472
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 3: the industry works. And then you know the way that

1473
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 3: they kind of shut that down before they brought it

1474
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 3: back was you know, that was a hard thing. You know,

1475
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 3: there was things that box me. You know what I mean,

1476
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 3: we've talked about a lot of it's happened. Okay, yes, yeah,

1477
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 3: ship's creek up full.

1478
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: That's full circle. But I want to you mentioned, I'm

1479
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 2: a survivor and I want to go full and I

1480
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: want to go full circle.

1481
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 4: How popular you are on the sport does kind of matter,

1482
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 4: but what really matters is you're how long you can

1483
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 4: stick around.

1484
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 2: That's so Chuck.

1485
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: I want to buildge your fan one more time before

1486
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: Luke pulls the plug on this. I asked your favorite fight.

1487
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: I want to ask you what fight were you the

1488
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: most hyped ever for leading up to it. I'm going

1489
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: to quickly give you my answer to frame it the

1490
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: second Silver Sonon because of how the first one went.

1491
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, I was at a one hundred out

1492
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: of one hundred, fully erect ready to watch this fight,

1493
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: and then it sucked. Lesnar Carwin. Lesner Carwin was like

1494
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: Andre the Giants versus whole Colvid.

1495
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 2: I was so in on every level. What was the

1496
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 2: one fight where.

1497
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: You're like, this is my job, but the fan in

1498
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: me can't stand up at the moment, okay, looks like

1499
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: I hate this shit?

1500
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 2: Well, actually that one?

1501
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 4: Would you really that that filibuster about yeah, your your

1502
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 4: penis complex is really it's quite something goo Ahead.

1503
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 3: I mean, they're a bunch, but I would say that actually,

1504
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 3: UFC one seventeen because of the way Chail so the

1505
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 3: first fight with Jail and Silva, because of the way

1506
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 3: he presented it chills on the way he'd sold that fight.

1507
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 2: He's poking the bear.

1508
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 3: Nobody has ever gone against Anderson civil way, and I

1509
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 3: knew he was gonna apologize, unapologetically wrestle.

1510
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 2: He was going to do the thing that he does well.

1511
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 3: And I was like very intrigued as to how that

1512
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 3: would play out, and it played out epically. I would

1513
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 3: say that that one I was way into and including

1514
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 3: the rematch, So I put that like as one A

1515
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 3: one B like in that category.

1516
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the McGregor habibe only in the

1517
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 2: sight if it's not your top three, you weren't alive

1518
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 2: during it.

1519
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,479
Speaker 3: And then the coremeate Jones one, because you're talking about

1520
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 3: that time, man, it was so big. It just felt

1521
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 3: like you couldn't have guys with there were They were

1522
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 3: the two best at the time that you could actually pair,

1523
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 3: and they did that.

1524
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: I think you got to put McGregor, although in that

1525
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: McGregor DS two in that the build up to that,

1526
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: Luke did anything else.

1527
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 2: I mean, people want to hear you actually enjoy your job.

1528
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: Is there any other job you remember? Trying to think

1529
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 2: of my like the biggest, the biggest ones we've been

1530
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 2: been like.

1531
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 6: A sort of a pore you as a fan, You're like,

1532
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 6: I just fucking need to see this fight. I just

1533
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 6: need to see what I will tell you. I really

1534
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 6: loved the build to UFC one hundred. I really loved

1535
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 6: the bill to one hundred. What was the one fight

1536
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 6: you were most jammed on, though, brock Lesner. Brock Lesner,

1537
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 6: I had slowly been turned over time.

1538
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 3: Because I again so like the I've told Swim many times,

1539
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 3: but like that was the first time when I saw traffic,

1540
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 3: his traffic delivering on the site, I was like, Oh,

1541
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 3: you can do this for a living.

1542
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 2: Don't you care about is traffic? That's always the debate between.

1543
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 3: Us guys, Just like leaving all the lights on and

1544
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 3: like doesn't know who pays power bill?

1545
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 2: This turned the blender. I just want to hear the noise, Luke.

1546
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: I want our viewers to feel something and and be like,

1547
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: no one else like that, no one else bangs me

1548
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: like you guys.

1549
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 2: God damn, we just had a gang beat. You'll see one.

1550
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 3: Hunter was awesome though good transition. Never did jump off

1551
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 3: to Natale Bay, by the way, he never did.

1552
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 2: All right, let's let's end on this.

1553
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 4: This is something you mentioned at the beginning when we

1554
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 4: talked about the changing role of the writer and the

1555
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 4: opinion writer, specifically in M M A, you mentioned it

1556
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 4: comes from reading.

1557
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 2: Why don't you give people some reading recommendations? That's the

1558
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 2: last question. Why don't you these ask him? Historically? Which

1559
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 2: members of the women's strawwet division ran? Come on, okay,

1560
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 2: we don't have to make the last one. Well we have,

1561
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 2: that's right, Okay, I don't. I don't. I didn't know

1562
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 2: reading was lame. Okay, that's remember when you.

1563
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: Had fade or you're like you fad or tell me

1564
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: about Russian litera.

1565
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 2: This is like the old Bill Hicks joke. What you're

1566
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 2: reading for? No?

1567
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 4: Now what am I reading? What am I reading for?

1568
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 4: Read for a lot of reasons? Uh would give me

1569
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 4: some recommendations? Man, the Sweet Science. I don't think that's

1570
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 4: the first thing anybody should read.

1571
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 3: I just I feel like it not only informs you

1572
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 3: of boxing's past, but it's just it carries but also

1573
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 3: just carries the vibe of the fight game. It's everything

1574
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 3: you'd want to know about the fight game, you know,

1575
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 3: like I would say.

1576
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 2: By George Kimball, come on, put it there. You know

1577
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 2: I've never read that. It's great. It is so good.

1578
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 2: I read that one.

1579
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 3: Gosh, man the Joyce Carolos and I don't remember on boxing.

1580
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 3: On boxing, I think it's just that, right, like just

1581
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 3: very good. I mean it's just because it's a whole

1582
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 3: different perspective. It points out a lot of good stuff.

1583
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 3: Mark Kram The Ghosts of Manila is very good. I

1584
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 3: mean these are just kind of the the old school

1585
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 3: boxing ones. Uh Eisenberg, what's that he did one too?

1586
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 3: I'm horrible with the titles actually when I yeah, he

1587
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 3: did one about kind of like he kind of connects.

1588
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 2: Heavyweight the history of heavyweights, and yeah, yeah, I read

1589
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 2: that one. It's really good. Because boxing is older, you

1590
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 2: get a little bit more of those like deep features.

1591
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 2: See that's what you should be the dude.

1592
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: You should I want you should write not a book,

1593
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: the book, Chuck, you should write the book.

1594
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 2: I'd love to actually, I really would love to do that.

1595
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:12,959
Speaker 2: At some point.

1596
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 3: I think that's I'm thinking about, and the ploy publishing

1597
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 3: kind of marinate in the sauce. But you know what

1598
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 3: I mean, Like we've been in this sport now, I've

1599
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 3: probably been what fifteen sixteen years, and now it's you're

1600
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 3: getting to a point now where you could actually do

1601
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 3: something like that, and and it would be wise because

1602
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 3: you've been around it that way.

1603
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 2: I'd like to ghost write Chian for list Missus autobiography. Yeah,

1604
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 2: because yeah, I'll ghost ride that whip, you know what

1605
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 2: I mean? Yeah? My fuck? Wow? Would you glad you

1606
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 2: stayed up for this? Yeah?

1607
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: When you usoul to join the action and drink margarite

1608
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: doesn't have fun now your organs are failing.

1609
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 4: Now I'm just just shipping the line every two hours.

1610
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 2: That's great. All right. On that note, Chuck, my yellow

1611
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 2: teeth mesh. Well with this couch, I mean.

1612
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 3: Let's be fair, right, I hope I've answered all of

1613
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 3: your questions. Welcome to the MK couch. Yes, thank you,

1614
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 3: We are good, delight to have you. Hey man, we

1615
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 3: will as you know, we'll have you back up very soon.

1616
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 3: And if people want to check we're.

1617
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 2: Filming something in five minutes right away. People want to

1618
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 2: check out your stuff just very quickly. How can they

1619
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 2: find you?

1620
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 3: Well, they can find me on Twitter at Chuck Mendenhall

1621
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 3: at Chuck Minden Hall and uh, I don't even know

1622
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 3: what my Instagram dot com bro the man myth dot

1623
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 3: com is where I I do some. Yeah, you can

1624
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 3: purchase the hats there. Thank you for the plug.

1625
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 2: Again. I can't believe we'd even get into the Boston

1626
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 2: Skelley can't even get in.

1627
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 4: We should okay, we should do a bonus clip very quickly. Yeah,

1628
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 4: when did you start wearing those?

1629
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 2: Like it's all over? When did you get old?

1630
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 3: Uh?

1631
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got old very early. No, I was.

1632
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, to be honest, man, I think actually

1633
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 3: it just kind of started off back in like twenty

1634
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 3: ten ish. Maybe nobody wore these caps, you know what

1635
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 3: I mean, nobody really wore them, but I I just

1636
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 3: wore one once and then people I don't know, I

1637
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 3: don't even know.

1638
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 2: It just kind of became a cool Ja wore the

1639
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 2: ken Goles, Yeah, I guess. Yeah, but he banged a

1640
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 2: lot while wearing that, You know what I mean?

1641
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: Do you think Chuck could play the kid Skywalker a

1642
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,439
Speaker 1: remake of episode six you start works?

1643
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 2: Okay?

1644
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 3: I think help me, I see them without it, this

1645
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 3: combination of my pale skin and the fact that you

1646
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 3: don't see me without it.

1647
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 2: Dude, just just look at yourself in the camera, right, No, obviously,

1648
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 2: I mean look at you.

1649
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 3: What a dub.

1650
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 2: Let me down. I love it is like woater once again.

1651
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 2: You do this again.

1652
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 4: Need to pull the plug at the right time. All right, Chuck,

1653
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 4: good to have you, my friend will see you again.

1654
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 4: Appreciate everyone, Chuck, Ben All, okay, we're up.