1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: All right, how you doing? Everyone? Welcome once again to 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live here on Giants dot Com. As always, 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: the number is two oh one nine nine four five 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: one three. That's the number for you to call out 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: to remind all of you that Big Blue Kickoff Live 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: is presented by Corpse Light. Download the Coors Light Rewards 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: app to win amazing Giants prices throughout this season. I 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: am Russ Salzburg, joined by two times Super Bowl champion 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: David Deal um as uh as Mr Rogers would say, 10 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: It's a wonderful day in the neighborhood. Yes, uh, plenty 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: to talk about. Um, unless if you're a Giants fan 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: and you've been on Mars or Pluto or sat in someplace, 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: then you know a lot of changes the less couple 14 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: of days Eli Apple went yesterday. Um it's not official, 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: but all reports are it's close to being that way. 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: Snacks Damon Harrison sent to the um Detroit Lions, So 17 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: big time changes are coming. I was chatting a little 18 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: bit about it, you know, just before we got on 19 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: the air here with David, and I used the phrase 20 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 1: desperate times, you know, come with desperate measures. I would. 21 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna assess it this way. You tell me what 22 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: you think. I think Dave Gettlman and Pat Sherman, I 23 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: don't think. I know, they came into the situation that 24 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: knowing that there was gonna have to be a lot 25 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: of changes and thus far. Listen, there's like thirty five 26 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: new faces on the team from last year. Having said that, 27 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 1: um so, I think there was going to be an evaluation, 28 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: and you know, there were certain things that they wanted 29 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: to do and certain things that they liked, or let's 30 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: wait and see how this pants out. I don't think 31 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: anybody expected one in six. You know, they didn't put 32 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: a number on it. They didn't say we're going to 33 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: the playoffs that you know, you always look to compete. 34 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: But I think one in six is shocking to everybody. 35 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: And so now the assessment was made, well, we didn't 36 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: expect this, So at this juncture, let's start fixing things, 37 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: and you know, so be it. You know, and when 38 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: people talk about getting rid of bodies, it's not just 39 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: a case of getting rid of bodies because they don't 40 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: like somebody, of course, I think it's the case of, 41 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: you know, people people tend to not look at the 42 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: dollars and cents the business of professional football. It's a 43 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: whole bunch of things. But obviously change is in place. 44 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: Of course it is, and you hate to say it 45 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: because it is a cliche, but this is business. It 46 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: wasn't personal. And when you truly look at the overall 47 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: landscape of what's taken place up until this point, especially, 48 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: I mean just these last two days, you see a 49 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: football team and an organization that understands where they are 50 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: right now. One in six they did not believe that 51 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: this is where they would be at this point. I mean, 52 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: I think that's pretty clear to say. It's safe to 53 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: say that they said it. It's safe to say that 54 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: the team feels it's safe to say that we all 55 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: feel it. But when you truly look at it, and 56 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: when you look at the offensive line and people like, well, 57 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: you can't just blame the offensive line. We recharge that 58 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: we're going to redo everything. Well, when you really think 59 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: about it, it's been more than just five guys. It's 60 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: been Brett Jones and then he went to Minnesota. Then 61 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: it's Halapio he gets hurt, and then it's John Greco, 62 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: and then it's Greco and then it's Spencer Pulley. So 63 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: it's not the same group. You don't have the same continuity, 64 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: You don't have the same consistency up front from week 65 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: one to where we are going now into week eight, 66 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: and that plays a major factor into it. Granted, this 67 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: offensive line needs to play better. Everybody knows that. They 68 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: know that, the coaches know that, we all know that. 69 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: But the thing that they can do, which they've struggled 70 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: at because of the negative plays, is effectively on the football. 71 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: That's something as an offensive lineman that you lean on 72 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: as a player because you know that's your opportunity to 73 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: punish the defensive player. So you don't want to sit 74 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: back every single time in a game. You don't want 75 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: to let him be the one pinning his years back 76 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: attacking your quarterback. You want to be the one going 77 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: after them. But when they call those run plays, you 78 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: have to come up, You have to sell out, and 79 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: you have to give Sa Kwan an opportunity to be successful. 80 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: That that was my question to you, because everybody has 81 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: been focused on and uh, everybody has been focused on 82 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: the lack of protect protection. You and I have spoken 83 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: that nausea lack of protection afforded to Eli, but it 84 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: was brought to my attention, uh this past week that 85 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: and I didn't realize it. I knew there was problems. 86 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: But se Kwan Barkley, who we all know, is if 87 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: you don't want to call him a superstar, he's a 88 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: budding superstar. And and if God forbid, if he's not 89 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: injured and he stays healthy, boy, he isn't going to 90 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: be a candidate for the Hall of knock Wood, for 91 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Having said that, sae Quon Barkley 92 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: leads the league in rushes negative yard rushes. So it's 93 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: not just pass protection that gets me to you. The 94 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: run blocking. That's what I was going to bring up 95 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: to you today before you started with it. I mean, 96 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: so it hasn't been just pass protection, it's been the 97 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: whole conglomeration of on the offensive line. It most certainly is, 98 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: and that's something that's should be put on their plate 99 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: as well, because as an offensive line, like I said, 100 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: the best way for YouTube ease into a game is 101 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: by being able to effectively run the football. And there's 102 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: a lot of times that it's not just up front, 103 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: it's on the edges. It's a wide receivers blocking a 104 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: little bit more. You need to buy into that when 105 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: you are a football team, especially when you have a 106 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: lot of different combinations now on the offensive line, so 107 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: that onus is on them. And I talked about this 108 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: last week. When you sit here and you look and 109 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,799 Speaker 1: you see that Si Kuan is only averaging fourteen rushes 110 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: a game, that's not just coach Shermer's fault because you 111 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: know that he would love to run more. But that 112 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: is where that onus goes on the offensive line to 113 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: where you have those negative plays. Now you're in third 114 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: and eleven, third and twelve, third and thirteen as a 115 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: young offensive line that hasn't played together, you can't put 116 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: yourself in those positions. You know, it's glaring to me. 117 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: And and to go back to the s Kuon thing, 118 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: like you said, the negative place, could you imagine if 119 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: he wasn't the running back back there and we were 120 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: looking at running backs that we had last season. Those 121 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: are all tackle for a three yard loss, tackle for 122 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: a four yard loss, tackle for a two yard loss. 123 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: But he gets something out of that. And he also 124 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: his big plays, well, the you know, the big plays 125 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: that he's made this season, like the fifty yard or 126 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: something like that hasn't been because all of us on 127 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: the line open up and they shot him a gap. 128 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: He made something out of nothing. He made a great 129 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: thing out of nothing. But I mean a perfect prime 130 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: example of how that works. Look at the Houston Texans game. 131 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: They rushed the ball seventeen times in the first half. 132 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: It's because they were covering people up. They were getting movement. 133 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: And when you sit there and you watch that Atlanta 134 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: game and you're sitting there at home, it takes is 135 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: one run. All right. So let me ask you this. 136 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: You are a former player. You had a very good 137 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: locker room. Uh, you went through your losing streaks, of course, 138 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: but you had a very good locker room. Um, you 139 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: were part of two six game losing streaks, and I 140 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: correct two right. One season we started owing six because 141 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: I remember doing doing six postgame shows when you're owing 142 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 1: six is kind of difficult to do. But but having 143 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: said that, actually three, my my rookie season two thousand 144 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: and three, we lost the what was the last seven 145 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: when it was coach fossils last season last seven or right? Yeah? Okay, 146 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: So let me ask you this mindset of a player. 147 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: What's going through their minds now as they just watched 148 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: two teammates yesterday, Eli Apple today, uh Snacks Harrison. What's 149 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: going through their minds? Are they sitting back wondering what's next? 150 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: Or do they take the attitude? Listen, this is business. 151 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: Our job is to go out and compete, and we 152 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: got to block it out. Now, blocking it out sounds 153 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: easier said than done when you're going through when you're 154 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: losing two pieces like that under defense, who are starters? 155 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: With Snacks and with Eli Apple? Yeah, it's gonna open 156 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: up eyes in the locker room, and it should because 157 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: when you're sitting here as a football team, your record 158 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: says who you are as a football team right now. 159 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: But when that happens and when players are traded, it 160 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: should open it up alarm to your mind, into your 161 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: head that if it can happen to him, and if 162 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: it can happen to him, it could easily happen to me. 163 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: And how you prepare, how you practice, how are you 164 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: going to games from this point forward better be indicative 165 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: of what a New York Giants players should be and 166 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: the way that he should handle himself in adversity, or 167 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna be a part of the problem, which you are, 168 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 1: and you will not be here next season or you 169 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: will be a part of the solution. So so that 170 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: was gonna be my next question. Uh at from this 171 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: juncture right now and we don't know what's gonna happen 172 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: later today, tomorrow, the next day, up until the trading deadline? 173 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: Is the message kind of like is the mindset from 174 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: the team? When I say the mindset, you know, in 175 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: particular Dave Gentleman and and coach Pat Sherman, is the 176 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: mindset like, Okay, look here are the changes. These are 177 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: the changes we've made. We're gonna ascertain who we think 178 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: we need to replace or who we think needs to stay. 179 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: But now it's a chance for everybody show us just 180 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: how much do they want to be here or do 181 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: they want to be elsewhere? Because if you want to 182 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: be elsewhere, we're gonna accommodate. It's going to be based 183 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: upon your performance. That's how they're gonna but that that's 184 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So we're giving you the chance to 185 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: show us. Of course, show us by your performance. Do 186 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: you want to be here or do you want to go? 187 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: Think about how many people right now that are free 188 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: agents that are working out on Tuesday that would die 189 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: to get that opportunity to play on special teams, just 190 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: to get one shot to prove who they were as 191 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: a football player. And that's something that you never forget 192 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 1: as a professional athlete. There's always somebody sitting on their 193 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: coat tails. There's always waiting, there's always somebody waiting for 194 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: your opportunity to take your job. They want just that 195 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: one opportunity, and once they get it, sometimes they never 196 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: give it back because they're hunger and their desire, knowing 197 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: how hard it was to get there, may take over 198 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: than somebody who may be more athletic, may be more talented, 199 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: but doesn't have that burning desire and that heart that 200 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: this kid does. I thought of you this morning as 201 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: soon as I heard about the snaxt thing, and you know, 202 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: couple it with ELI yesterday and we'll get to the 203 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: phones in one second. I thought of your your favorite saying, 204 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: this is you're not on scholarship, this is as you said, 205 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: this is this is the business you've chosen and it's 206 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: professional football. And there are great moments and they're unfortunately 207 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: these type of moments. And UH, as a player, as 208 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: a coach, as a GM, as a broadcaster, as a fan, 209 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: we all got to deal with it. Two oh on 210 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: four or five? One? Three is the number? What do 211 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: you say we open up the phone lines right now. 212 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: Let's head out to California and speak with Stewart, who 213 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: has been holding on patiently. Still it you're on with 214 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: Russ and David. How you doing today? Okay, Russ, I'm 215 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: doing good. How are you doing days? How's everything going? 216 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: I know, okay, I know this has been some hard times. 217 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: I called last week in regards to Barkley and the 218 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: offensive line, and and everything remains the same. In other words, 219 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: what you were just talking about the four team carries 220 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: per game. That's not enough for a talented back like him. 221 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: And it seems to me that the offensive line is 222 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: always on his heels. And I think that's where the 223 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: other problem comes in in terms of their identity. I mean, 224 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: this team hasn't had an identity of any kind, whether 225 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: on offense, whether on defense. I don't know if you 226 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: can even throw special teams in there. And what's worrying 227 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: to me more now than anything is the direction of 228 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: this team and its leadership, not only from the coaching 229 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: staff but from above. Um. It's concerning me that that 230 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: instead of the Giants going out and really evaluating people 231 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: or players, if you want to call it, about evaluating 232 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: coaches and how their schemes benefit the team. And it 233 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: seems to me that when you have players like the 234 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: Giants do, especially on offense, that they just can't get 235 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: the ball to them, or every play that Barkley starts 236 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: with he's behind the sticks. There's something wrong. And maybe 237 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: David you can talk about this. I know you talked 238 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: about it before in terms of the offensive line doing 239 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: their job and everything, but they don't seem to stick 240 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: with one thing. They seem to be when something fails, 241 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: they go help skelp, They go from one to another, 242 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: and I think this hurts the team because they don't 243 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: have an identity, especially the offensive line doesn't have an identity. 244 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: And I think, um not to get on Shermer. He 245 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: has a tough job. I understand that. I mean, he 246 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: wasn't a very good coach in Cleveland and he had 247 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: one good basically one good season with Minnesota as an 248 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. And I'm wondering does coaching come into this 249 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: play in terms of getting the players the right scheme 250 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 1: and the right identity to make it work. And maybe 251 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: David you can expand on that. All right, Stuart, thanks 252 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: for the call, my friend. I mean, it's that's such 253 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: a difficult question to answer because they go hand in hand, 254 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: you know, because you want to call stuff and you 255 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: want to be aggressive, but at the same time, when 256 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: you have a negative play or a penalty, or a 257 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: missed a signmon or a drop ball, it's hard to 258 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: be creative and do more things because if you're not 259 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: getting the basic things down, how are you going to 260 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: be able to run schemes, reverses and all the different 261 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: types of things that you would like to to have 262 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: the flexibility in your offense. And like I was saying 263 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: up front with the offensive line, you know, believe that 264 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: things were going to get better, but then when Halapio 265 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: gets hurt and then you have once again a rotation 266 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: of players, that's not how you're going to build a 267 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: foundation and that trust and an offensive lineup from I 268 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: think the Halapeo injury, I don't think people look, uh, 269 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if if I want to use the 270 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: term catastrophic, but just how difficult it was because big impact, 271 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: because because they made the decision to keep Halapeo and 272 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: and you know, trade Brett Jones Now, Brett Jones was 273 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: a guy that you and I both out really really liked, 274 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: a good guy and a very good football player. But 275 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: they made the assessments. So that's fine. But then Halapio 276 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: goes down and as Dave just said, so now you've 277 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: gotta move John Greco in there. They were just hoping 278 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: would be a guy that number one that could back 279 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: up not only the center, but both guard positions. But 280 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: Greco's he's a pro, he's a professional to help will 281 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: Hernandez guard position, to help him develop and get him going. 282 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: Because of the fact that Greco has been in this 283 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: offense now for the third time. Yeah, and and still 284 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: I got I gotta tell you when when you talk 285 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: about they don't have an identity, well, yeah, unfortunately it's 286 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: the bad identity. The bad identity is they have major 287 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: problems up front. And also, you know, we were talking 288 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: about it yesterday. I was talking about it with the 289 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: Lance Meadow listen. While the defensive had its good moments, 290 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: especially early on, but they subsequently has given up. You know, 291 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: they think they only gave up twenty three points on 292 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: Monday night, but they gave up some big plays at 293 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: the worst time. I don't know that there's ever a 294 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: good time to give up a big play, but when 295 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: they needed it. So that's where the identity has been. 296 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: The one thing is Stewart said, which I think was 297 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: an unfair shot at the coach Sherma Well to say 298 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: he's only had one good season as coaching. That's very 299 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: well respects. So no, I didn't even get back to that, 300 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: and I didn't even regardless of the other thing that 301 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: I was just going to say to continue to go 302 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: along with this is yeah, you offensively can have a 303 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: bad identity when you become one dimensional. That's that you 304 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: look at any offense that isn't able to run the football, 305 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: they're gonna struggle. That's across the league, that's not just here. 306 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: And when you have those problems, and then when you 307 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: try to run it and you have negative plays, it's 308 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: like you're getting in quicksand and it just keeps pulling 309 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: you back because the minute that you make another big play, 310 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: something else happened someplace else, and it pulls you back. 311 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: In two, five, one, three is the number. Let's go 312 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: to Brooklyn and speak with John. Hello, John, you're on 313 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: with Russ and David. What's going on? Is um I 314 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: wanted to touch on two days one. Um understand Snax 315 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: who was getting up there in age and his contract 316 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: was up there. But I'm thinking we could have got 317 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: a third round pick for him if well that a 318 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: couple more days. All right, listen, this is the thing. 319 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: You don't think that they got and tried to get 320 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: the best that they could for him. I think, uh, 321 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: I think it was more of like a washing into 322 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: the opportunity just to get guys out. Honestly, No, no, 323 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: that that John. Are you on a speaker because if 324 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: you if you walk, could you go on your regular 325 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: phone please? If not, we'll deal with it. The only 326 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: the reason why I'll say that is number one, it's 327 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: a perfect an analogy. You have a garage sale. You 328 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: may have a price on that item, and yet it 329 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: may go great if you have two people bidding at 330 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: the same thing. But it usually happens you want fifty 331 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: dollars for it, somebody offers you twenty. You negotiate to 332 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: get the best offer that you can. So it's not 333 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: like you sit there and you you say to yourself, 334 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: all that's all we can get. Really, I was a 335 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: fifth round draft pick. I started a hundred and sixty 336 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: four games in my career for the Giants. I'd say 337 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: that there was a return on investment on that. And 338 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: when you look at the overall picture and now you're 339 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: building draft picks, what also does that do to you? 340 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: It gives you more leverage in the draft, you know what, John? 341 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: Of course, I mean, I love Dave Gettiman have the 342 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: came from all the time. I think there is uh. 343 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a couple of moves I 344 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: would have done different, But again, he's a professional. I 345 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: mean I would have took Donald, but now looking at it, 346 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: I think he made the right move. Honestly, Donald reminds 347 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: me a lot of Eli Manning without a deeper accuracy, 348 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: and uh, not to say that's a bad thing, but 349 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: I just can't take another fifteen years of that. Um. 350 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a fair assessment. That's just 351 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: my assessment, but UM, I don't And you can't take 352 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: another fifteen years of what uh dealing with uh like 353 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: another Eli Manning. I'll tell you what, John, I'll tell 354 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,959 Speaker 1: you what, my friend. You know fair enough, you're entitled 355 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: to your opinion, and thank you for the call. But 356 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would sign up. Right now, 357 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: Let's let's have another Eli Manning. Let's let's have a 358 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: young Eli Manning come in and be able to deliver 359 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: two Super Bowls. Okay, I mean, see, this is part 360 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: of the problem. And I was talking with with with 361 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: Dave just before and our producer here branded today. You 362 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: know what, folks, is Eli closer to the end than 363 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: the beginning? Well, of course he is. And you know, 364 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: maybe as a guy who's covered him for his entire career, 365 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: from the moment he came in, maybe I'm a little 366 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: too close to the situation because I've covered these guys 367 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: from the time they were all rookies. You know what, 368 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: if you want to feel that way about whether it 369 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: was David Deal or Eli Manning or whoever. If you 370 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: if you feel okay, time is up, that's fine. But 371 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: to talk about it as if the player isn't also 372 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: ran like I can't deal with this or let you 373 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: know another fifteen years it is you are a complaining 374 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: about the first ten Let me tell you that. Let 375 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: let me tell you that you know, from the time 376 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: Eli Manning came into the league, Okay, you have two 377 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: super Bowls, He's won two super Bowls. You know who 378 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: else what other quarterbacks have won two Super Bowls? It 379 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: was his brother one with each team. It was Ben Roethlisberger, 380 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: and Tom Brady has three. We should all be so 381 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: lucky to have another, you know, another guy like Eli 382 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: Manning to replace Tom Brady. Not not since Elia. No, no, 383 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: I'm talking about Eli from the Elis come into the league. 384 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking. Okay, so but but but really, 385 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: you know, you know that's what I don't get that 386 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: with fans. You know, a lot of fans want loyalty, 387 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: and I can appreciate that because I don't like when 388 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: players aren't loyal. But loyalty has to go both ways. 389 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: We love the guy when you're doing good, but let's 390 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: just scard him when he's no longer. You know, he 391 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: can't cut it anymore, you know, let's let's talk him 392 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: out like about his like trash goodbye. I don't think 393 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: that's fair. Two O one five one three to no. 394 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: I gotta remind everybody that Big Blue Kickoff Live Here 395 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: is presented by Corps Light. Download the course Light Rewards 396 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: app to win Amazing Giants prizes throughout the season. Let's 397 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: go down to uh, North Carolina and speak with Dan. Hello, Dan, 398 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: you're on with Russ and David as they're doing the 399 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: rest of David, You're one of my favorite players. I'd 400 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: love to hear your perspective. And um, so I guess 401 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: a couple of things. You know, I get the Giants, 402 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: they gotta do what they have to do to build 403 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: their draft capital. And UM, I gotta tell you Snacks 404 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite players though. UM. And I 405 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: think the big thing with him is that when you 406 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: when you start building a young team, you do want 407 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: to have these guys in the locker room to have 408 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: a presence that really, you know, you know how to 409 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: get things done. And and I really felt like Snacks 410 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 1: was that guy. He was a leadership guy and you 411 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: know he's a great player as well. UM, I can't 412 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: say I was super happy with the compensation. Now, hear 413 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 1: what you're saying, Dave about you know, you get what 414 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: you get what you can get. Um. And as far 415 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: as Eli Apple, UM, I thought Eli Apple was really 416 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: having his best years since he's been a Giant really 417 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,959 Speaker 1: this year, I mean as far as coverage skills and um, 418 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: in terms of he doesn't I don't think he makes 419 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: as many plays as you know, does as far as 420 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: on the ball. Okay, Dan, I'm gonna ask you a 421 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: quick question. After last season, did you want Eli Apple 422 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: on this football team? Oh no no? Okay, so now 423 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, no, no, no exactly, no, no, no, 424 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: without a doubt. So nobody did. And now that you 425 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 1: had him up saying that at all, um, no, no, no, 426 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm bringing up I'm bringing up a point 427 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: with trade that I was the straight I was just 428 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: bringing up a point with the Eli Apple thing. People 429 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: are like, well, how'd that work out him? Like, well, 430 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: number one Giants fans didn't want him back this year. 431 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: He came, he played, he's healthy, he got two picks 432 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: for him to where this offseason you weren't getting compensation. 433 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: And let's let me just say something, Dave. David makes 434 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 1: a good point, but it also fairness to Eli at 435 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: the Eli Apple at the end of last season, You're right, 436 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: nobody wanted him. To his credit, he came into camp 437 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: with a terrific No. No, no, I'm not saying in 438 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: that purely performance space that's that's right. But I'm just 439 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: saying he resurrected himself. Uh, in terms of his attitude 440 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: and his play. But they made the assessment, we gotta 441 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: fix this, and this is one of the ways we 442 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: think we can start fixing. So that's what they did 443 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: with coment on was I feel like edo Manning is 444 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: getting a ton of unfair criticism. And of course you 445 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: guys know this, and um, you know, just watching the 446 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: game this, you know, on on Monday night, and you 447 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: watch all the throws that he makes. You go back 448 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: through and you say, okay, so which one of those throws? 449 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 1: What you know, what can you look back to and say, oh, 450 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: my god, he's such a horrible quarterback. Because I listened 451 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: to all the stuff on um NFL radio on serious 452 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: and you know, and people say, oh, it's good enough 453 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 1: to look at the stat because you know, you look 454 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: at the stats, you think et I mean and played good, 455 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: but he was horrible. And I'm thinking back, I watched 456 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: the game and I can think of maybe two throws 457 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: that weren't on point. But you know what quarterback doesn't 458 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: miss two throws in the game. You know, just looking 459 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: back over this season, um, you know, the guy is 460 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: the guy is is constantly under siege. People talk about 461 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: his inability to maneuver in the pot. He's never been 462 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: a He's not any flower than he's ever been. He's 463 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,719 Speaker 1: never been a guy who, you know, he can maneuver 464 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: in the pocket. But he's not you know, Aaron Rodgers. 465 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: The way he escapes and all that. You know, he 466 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,239 Speaker 1: can deliver the ball on time. You know, I just 467 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: get a little perturbed when I hear the unfair criticism 468 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: the guy gets and just the way he handles it 469 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: would class you know, you couldn't ask for a better 470 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: a better thing. You know. I think the organization that 471 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: I and I agree and I think they would do this, 472 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: but I think they owe the guy, you know, to 473 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: to let him sort of go out on his own terms. 474 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: And I think he understands what the climate is and 475 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: you know, so I just I would just say that 476 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: the Giants fans out there, you know that you need 477 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: to take a you know, take a step back from 478 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: this thing and kind of get away from your emotion 479 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: and really look back and say, you know, the really 480 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: really that bad or are we criticizing him unfairly? Thanks 481 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: very much, And it's a very good point to appreciate 482 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: the quite frankly common sense. You know, Well, let me 483 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: ask you listen, you know the guy. I mean I 484 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: know the guy, but you were his teammate. In light 485 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: of what's happened just the last two days. Forget the 486 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: criticism because he lies a tough guy. I mean, he's 487 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: got alligators without a doubt. But what do you think 488 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: is going through his mind now when he's seeing some 489 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: dismantling going on. This isn't something that he hasn't seen before. 490 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: I mean, we've had times where we were releasing people 491 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: during the year. I wouldn't say it was to the 492 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: trading extent to this, but we've seen guys come and 493 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: go throughout the years. So I don't think that's the 494 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: big surprise to him. I think the thing for him 495 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: is he just wants to play good football and to 496 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: go back to day. I agree with you, it's not 497 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: on all on Eli's plate. But there are times that 498 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: when he has missed those throws, they've been a critical moment, 499 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: and but it's been across the board. It's not just 500 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: been him, it's been everybody. Look when you won in 501 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: six everything sucks, Yeah. I mean when the goal line 502 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 1: to the O. B. J throw that you gotta make 503 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 1: that throw. Everybody can see it. We all know that, 504 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: and that's something that he knows that himself. But at 505 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: the same time, there's other times that there are throws 506 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: to be had, there's a drop, there's penalties, there's times 507 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: where he's just getting a shot and snap and he's 508 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: already got somebody in his face. So it goes both 509 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: hand in hand. Two O one five one three is 510 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: the number. Let's uh, let's go more local now here 511 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: in New Jersey and speak with Chris. Chris, how are 512 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: you today? You're on with Russ and David. Hey, Russ, Hey, Dave, 513 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,239 Speaker 1: you guys once again, Yeah, just to hear the ring 514 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: with that last course, he's spot on about Eli. I mean, 515 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: you could see he can't even run the play action 516 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: if if he if he could, if he was able to, boy, 517 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: he'd he'd be lights out. I mean, you know he's 518 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: making throws the other night. Yeah, he might have missed 519 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: the couple, but even with no time in the pocket, 520 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: he still made some beautiful throws. And it just goes 521 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: to show, you know, with with the mixed up offensive line, 522 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: it's just uh, you know, it's the way it's the 523 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: way it is right now. But actually I was calling 524 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: on another note, you know with with today, with Snacks, 525 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: what kind of reiterates the road that we're going down. 526 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: And the initial reaction is, man, you'll, you'll, you love 527 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: the way Snacks plays, you love the heart, you love 528 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: how he takes on double teams and still makes plays. 529 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: But you know, this is a renaissance period now for 530 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: the Giants. I mean, you know, I give Gettleman credit 531 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: for pulling the trigger, not going with the motions of 532 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: the fans and and doing these things. And there's gonna 533 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: be more moves coming down. But I believe they may 534 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: have around twenty seven a million now under the cap. 535 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: I mean, we're probably looking at what maybe another thirty 536 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: five players added to this roster by next opening day. 537 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of spots to be filled, 538 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: and then the offensive line will be addressed, I hope, 539 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: you know, through free agency in the draft, need at 540 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: anchor at at the center position, also a free safety 541 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: and what are we gonna do with Collins? But there's 542 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: so much out there. But I do like the fact 543 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: that Gettleman is being aggressive and looking long term to 544 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: get us a you know, a solid team you know, 545 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: for years to come to take a few years, but 546 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's got to be done. It's got to 547 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: be you know what, Chris, you just said a mouthful, 548 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: but you said one sentence there. It's gonna take a 549 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: few years. I think everybody, including the media, Okay, uh, 550 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: misread this. I think they looked at this. Now the 551 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: Giants didn't say it, but but a lot of people said. 552 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: I think they thought, well, three and thirteen are we 553 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: gonna be a playoff team? You know, let me tell 554 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: you something, Chris, I looked, how about to pull out 555 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: the other day? Uh, just because I saved those things. 556 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: I pulled out the preview, the football preview in the 557 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: New York Post, which, by the way, to me, the 558 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: Post has um to me the best sports section in 559 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: the area. I I that's just my opinion, but I 560 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: believe that. But you know what, the Post had the 561 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: Giants going this season. The Post had them going nine 562 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: and set. Now, the Giants didn't tell them to pick 563 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: nine and seven. The Post had him going nine and seven. 564 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: And you know what last year, going into last year, 565 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: I remember the News and the Post they had them 566 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: ten and six. They had him going to the playoffs. 567 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: They made the assessment. Yeah, and you know, you know what, happens, Chris, 568 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: what happens a lot of the times media, for lack 569 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: of a better term, people get piste off because they 570 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: were wrong. You know, if the assess it was their 571 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: assessment that made them pick, you know, the giants to 572 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: be this that the other thing. It wasn't the giant 573 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: saying that. So you know that's the way it goes. 574 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I mean you make a very 575 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: good point. Yeah, two more things before leave. In today's NFL, 576 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: compared to let's say the eighties, assist free agency became prevalent. Now, 577 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: you know, teams stood dormant for for years. But in 578 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: today's NFL, you know, this could be turned around a 579 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: couple of years once they once they you know, get 580 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: of improvement. So you know, it may not be as 581 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: long as we all think. Right now. The day after, 582 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: you know, the roof seems like it's caving in and 583 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: the last thing gave. But I've been wanting to mention 584 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: this for a long time. When I call in, I 585 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: was you know, I'm a season ticket holder and one 586 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: of the games that I always remember and you'll remember 587 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: this one. I don't know if it was the last 588 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: year at the old stadium, or the or the or 589 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: in eleven the new stadium. But the Ravens came into 590 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: town and I never has never had that many games 591 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: against the Ravens. But Mad Bradshaw and Jacobs, along with 592 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: the offensive line that you played on the Ravens didn't 593 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: give up a hundred yards Rusher. I don't believe it 594 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: was like the maybe sixteen seventeen games you guys, Bradshaw, 595 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: I mean, we can't, we can't have you know it, 596 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: Barkley's making over the yards on his own and looking 597 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: at that game looking back was like, Wow, makes you 598 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: really appreciate, you know, what we had back then. But 599 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,239 Speaker 1: thanks again, guys, appreciate the show. A great show, and 600 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: thanks again. All right, Chris, Yeah, but but you know what, Uh, 601 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: it's a point well taken. And I with all that's 602 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: gone on, I still think that people just won't accept 603 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: how crucial the chemistry and continuity is up front on 604 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: the offensive line. You are part of an offensive line 605 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: that had great chemistry and longtime continuity. Yeah, but think 606 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: about it, and we talked about this from the start. 607 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: How did it begin? We're called the worst offensive line 608 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: in the NFL by Joe Thiersman and it was up 609 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: to us to change that perception, not by what we said, 610 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: but how we play. And that's obviously that's what this group. 611 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: You know, listen, this group is still going to be 612 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: given the chance to do that, and it's up to 613 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: Gettleman and and Pat Dermott to say, okay, well it 614 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: can be worked out, or maybe we were wrong, you know, 615 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: but obviously they're rethinking things right now, are certainly reviewing it. 616 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: At one and six, let's stay in New Jersey and 617 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: go chat with my Mike. How you doing today? You're 618 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: on with Russ and David? Hey, how are you guys? 619 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: I had two questions, Um, what was your guys opinion 620 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: on the trade value for this next person? Have you listened, 621 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: my man? We went over that earlier. We went over 622 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: this all right. Yeah, no, we said, obviously, anybody, it's 623 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: fifth round. That's it. When you have a garage sale, 624 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: you put a price on it, and if that prices 625 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: is a negotiable one and two people wanted, the price 626 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: goes up. You put a fifty dollar price on it, 627 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: and somebody wants it for twenty you negotiate. So at 628 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: this point it was the most in the max that 629 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: they could get for him, compared to if you cut 630 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: him at the end of the season and you don't 631 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: get anything in return for you know, Mike. It always 632 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: happens in all sports, less so in football because I 633 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: think there's less trading in football than than in all 634 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: the other sports. But like, like I always would laugh 635 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: in baseball when people are talking about, you know, making deals, 636 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: when fans, well, you know, we're talking about making a deal. Well, 637 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: let's get this guy, you know, Okay, yeah, let's get 638 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, a superstar. Let's get Mike Trout for a 639 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: bucket of balls and a backup catcher. You know, you 640 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: always want to make the deal in your mind. It 641 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 1: doesn't work that way. They want as much as you want, 642 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: so it's just, you know, that's the way to listen. 643 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 1: I'm sure Dave Gettleman tries to get as much as 644 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: he can, and then you have to say, Okay, this 645 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: is the assessment we want to make the change, and 646 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: you go from there that. I don't think it's really 647 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: more complicated than that. Okay, um, well, given he was 648 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: the number one run stopper in the league for like 649 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,959 Speaker 1: the past four years, I thought we should have gotten 650 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: a little more. But I do with the situation? And 651 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,439 Speaker 1: who else do you think might hold on real quick? Before? 652 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: I didn't even Mike, I didn't even elaborate on this 653 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: number one. It's not just that, but you have to 654 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: think of the fact that he is going to be 655 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,439 Speaker 1: thirty next month. He is not an all three down 656 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: players the first and second town eye. And when you 657 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 1: make this trade, what does the Detroit Lions always also 658 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,439 Speaker 1: take on his contract? That's sixteen million over the next 659 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: two seasons that he has eight and eight for the 660 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: next two that they take on. That frees up in 661 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: capod answering. And what was the other one? Who else 662 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: did you think might be on the trading block? I mean, 663 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: your guest is as good as ours, right, I mean, 664 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: to me, it's pretty well open season for everybody. I mean, 665 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: I listen is not going any place. O'Dell's not going 666 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: any place obviously, the O V and Genor Jenkins names, Yeah, 667 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: they're just they're gonna be out there. But you don't know, 668 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: I mean, at this juncture, um nothing really, you know, 669 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: you know when I heard it today, even the last 670 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: two days. I mean, I like both Eli Apple and 671 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: Snacks was a favorite of mine. But I wasn't shocked, 672 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: because that's as we say that the business. We've chuckles 673 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: and thanks for the appreciate it. Two oh one four 674 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 1: or five one three then number gotta remind you folks 675 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: a big blue kickoff live here presented by Corps Light. 676 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,720 Speaker 1: Download the Corps Light rewards that doing yourself amazing Giants 677 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: prizes throughout this season. Let's go down to Melbourne, Florida 678 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: and speak with Lauren. Hello, Lauren, how you doing your own? 679 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: With Russ and David? Hey, Russ and David, how's it going? David? Um, 680 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: one of my favorite offensive linement man, you know, as 681 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: the former offensive linement myself. You got real dirty man, 682 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 1: you got you got to play a lot of different positions. 683 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: So I appreciate it what you did for us in 684 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: your career. Um, speaking of the offensive line, I think 685 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: what we're seeing with Nate Sauder, it's a little disappointed. 686 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: You put the money in value and you have to 687 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: experience and Um, I'm kind of a little disappointed with that. 688 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: But one of the things I was at the game 689 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: in that lant. I'm actually driving back to Florida now, 690 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 1: but one of the things I saw at the game 691 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,879 Speaker 1: was that that the fans don't see is obviously eli 692 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: a man is not getting enough time. But a lot 693 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: of the offensive linement are looking around. It reminds me 694 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: of high school film when they're just looking to try 695 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: to find out who to block. I don't know if 696 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: that's continuity or if it's just they're getting out schemes, 697 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: but um, what is your your input on on the 698 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: I guess the blocking scheme because one of the things 699 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: you guys did as a as a unit was you 700 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: went to you went eight together, you gotts, spent a 701 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: lot of time together, and so you know, what are 702 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: you seeing as far as offensive linement. Are they just 703 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: missing their assignments or they just getting good? Good question? Lauren, Yeah, No, 704 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: I feel like this is kind of something that I 705 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: went through earlier in regards to now that we're looking 706 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: at what is this this fifth or six different offensive 707 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,879 Speaker 1: line combination for the season now, So when you're thinking 708 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: about that that in itself, you're not building that continuity. 709 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: Everybody talks well the offensive line, they went and got 710 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: these guys, it was gonna be fixed. Brett Jones lost 711 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: the starting job to Hallapeo. Halapeo gets hurt. John Grego 712 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: comes in, oh Momy is not playing well, Greco goes 713 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: the right guard, Spencer Pool it comes in. I think 714 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: that says enough right there, when you're trying to build 715 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 1: an offensive line and crypt that group going. And in 716 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: regards to like you said, looking around, a lot of 717 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 1: that time is because they don't have the confidence and 718 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: because they're not playing free, they're overthinking instead of reacting. 719 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: I I think I think it's also fair though what 720 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: he just said, uh uh day that they has been disappointed. Yeah, 721 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: he's not playing, he's not playing well. I think he 722 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: would probably tell you that, Lauren. I mean he let's 723 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: let's listen. They're getting beat on the edges. Something fair. 724 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: You know what what really stuck out to me? Uh 725 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: this past game and you you said you were down 726 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: in in Atlanta. Remember the third and two play and 727 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: it was a little out pass uh to um two 728 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,879 Speaker 1: say Quan and it was it was like a four 729 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: yard loss. I mean you can't. I mean three guys 730 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: on them. You know what you can't. This is a 731 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: stud running back. It's crazy. You gotta study. You have 732 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: a stud running back, but you don't have a good 733 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: running game. Yeah. And the other the other point, I 734 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: have too is I love Eli Mann and UM obviously 735 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: appreciate what he's done. But any time anybody starts with 736 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: I love this guy, but anything after the butt is 737 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: what you're really trying to get out of the thing. 738 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: But I think what I'm seeing is like, for an example, 739 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: when we were down in the red zone, what happened 740 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 1: to the fade routes to Odell Beckham like he practices 741 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: that every game. UM. The other thing was like when 742 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: we were doing the UM. I just think we're getting 743 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: out of schemes sometimes with the offense, and it's not 744 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: fair to Eli. That's why at the end of the 745 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: game you see him in that Harry Up offense and 746 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,760 Speaker 1: he could meticulate the ball all the way down the field, 747 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: but we kind of start off slow and flat. I 748 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: just felt like if we started the game out getting 749 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: him going with a few completions, that gets the ball 750 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:03,720 Speaker 1: rolling and everyone would with respect what he's doing. Okay, Lauren, 751 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: thank you for the coast. Let me let me ask 752 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: you this, uh Dave uh, I thought about it yesterday. 753 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,919 Speaker 1: You know everybody was talking about the quarterback sneaks. Now 754 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: you can I'm not here to to rehash and go 755 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: over the debate. Should they have gone one, should they 756 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: have gone twice? But in my mind, listen, at that juncture, 757 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: even if it was a quick pass and they scored, 758 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: they were still going to have to recover an on 759 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: side kick, which which was not likely. But having said that, 760 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: I thought, you know, Sherman was saying, Okay, here we 761 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,319 Speaker 1: are at this juncture the game. You know what, go 762 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: put it in the end zone. Let's see the guys 763 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,280 Speaker 1: up front, give me a push. They had two chances 764 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: to push from the one yard line and they got 765 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: pushed back. And that's the name. That's what we were 766 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: talking about. Two h one four or five one three 767 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: is the number. Let's go down back down to North 768 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 1: Carolina and check in with the Tyler. Hello, Tyler, you're 769 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,479 Speaker 1: on with Russ and David. Hey, guys, thanks for taking 770 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: my call today. Um First of all, David, thanks for 771 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: your years of service to the Giants. Is an honor 772 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: to get talked to you today. Thank you very much. Tyler. So, 773 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: obviously season has obviously been a little bit of a disappointment, 774 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: but I'd like to turn the tables a little bit 775 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: and talk about some positives that have been going on lately. Um, So, 776 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 1: I'd be interested to hear what you guys think as 777 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 1: far as some good takeaway is heading into the rest 778 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,879 Speaker 1: of the season and into next season, whether it be 779 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,239 Speaker 1: players that have performed well like Barkley, or aspects of 780 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: the game that have been effective, like the running backs 781 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: in the passing game, um, and things that we can 782 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: build off of heading you know, into the rest of 783 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,359 Speaker 1: this season and into next season. UM. And I'll take 784 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: your answer off the air, to be honest. The reason why, 785 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: the reason why I can't answer that question, it's because 786 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,840 Speaker 1: there's still a lot of football left to be played. 787 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:59,360 Speaker 1: The identity of the character of a football player comes 788 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: out in the verse times, just like right now, you 789 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 1: will find out who the true football players are, who 790 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: truly love this game and are fully invested in who 791 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: are not. And this is the sign And these are 792 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: the players that you will have to look forward to 793 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: for the future, because it's gonna be evident. You know 794 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: what was what's your expression? Either you're the problem or 795 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: either you are either you are a part of the solution, 796 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,799 Speaker 1: or you are the problem. And if you are the problem, 797 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: you know, David get begun. I'll say this about David 798 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: and the reason I like Dave and why I firmly 799 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: believe this can get fixed because Dave is not. There 800 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 1: are certain guys, you know, And I've said this as 801 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,399 Speaker 1: as honest and straight shooting as it get. And he 802 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,799 Speaker 1: doesn't let other people dictate. I don't want anybody, any 803 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 1: fans to take this the wrong way. Of course he 804 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 1: cares about the fans, but as a GM, you can't 805 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,720 Speaker 1: let the fans dig take to you how you're gonna 806 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 1: make a move. He's not worried about his popularity. Have 807 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: to make it based on facts, not emotions and opinion. 808 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 1: You know, I've said this to uh John Mara more 809 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: than a few times. I've discussed it with um. You know, 810 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:23,839 Speaker 1: past GM former gym Ernie Corsi, George Young made arguably 811 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 1: the toughest move in the history of the Giants to 812 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: that point when he had to make the decision to 813 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: let Phil Simms. I mean, I remember that day and 814 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 1: I remember it was the worst day, one of the 815 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: worst day as an owner. It probably was the worst 816 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,799 Speaker 1: day in Wellington Mara's life. He was despondent on his 817 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: drive home. But I said this to John Mara, and 818 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 1: I was upset about the move because you know, to 819 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: this day, Phil and I are good friends. I said, 820 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: but whether to Wellington's credit, he led his GM, George 821 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,240 Speaker 1: Young do his job. And and you know what, even 822 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: though they didn't even like the move, but they let 823 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 1: him do his job. And I said to them, in 824 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 1: your heart, do you think George Young ever made a 825 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: move that in his heart was not in the best 826 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: interests of the giants? And they said, absolutely, that's the kid. 827 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: Even though they didn't like it. They he was the GM, 828 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,399 Speaker 1: he was the guy that they entrusted, and they said, 829 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: go ahead, if if that's what you believe in, that's 830 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,840 Speaker 1: what you believe in. I believe Gettleman is the same way. Gettleman. 831 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you a story about about George 832 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 1: Young since just bring him up. George Young was bringing 833 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 1: Ernie a Corsi over to be his assistant GM. I 834 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,880 Speaker 1: forget what year was, but he told Ernie, well, what 835 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what it was. It was the year 836 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:55,439 Speaker 1: Phil was let go. But George had told Ernie because 837 00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: Ernie actually Ernie told me this is on my podcast. Uh, George, 838 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: you told Ernie I don't want you to come yet. 839 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 1: There's something that I have to do. And I don't 840 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 1: want your imprints on it, your handprints on it in 841 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 1: any way of George didn't want Ernie coming until he 842 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: had to make that. He didn't want him to be 843 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: associated with choice and what exactly? You know, that's that's 844 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 1: the type of hard decisions one has to make. You know, 845 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 1: you get it because you exactly And I'll tell you 846 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: something else, Dave, has there ever been a player? It 847 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,879 Speaker 1: could be Eli, it could it could have been you, 848 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: It could have been any one of your linemates. I 849 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: remember Amani too. In the end, unless the player wakes 850 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,279 Speaker 1: up one day and says, I'm walking out on my 851 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: own terms, it's never pretty. There's always anxiety that the 852 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 1: player always thinks I got some more left. It's just 853 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 1: those are the hard decisions. As David said, you're no 854 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: longer on scholarship. As every athlete knows, you have an 855 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,879 Speaker 1: expiration data on you. And if not, many people get 856 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,439 Speaker 1: to pull themselves off to the shelf. Usually somebody else 857 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: is taking you off of the show. Two oh one, 858 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,960 Speaker 1: five one three. Let's go back out to California and 859 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:21,359 Speaker 1: speak with Sean. Sean, you're on with Russ and David. Hey, guys, 860 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 1: can you see me ye hey, um hey, I don't 861 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: want you to take this the one way and cut 862 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: me off, but this is really fast. I love how 863 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: savage you're you so savage, But the thing is you're 864 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 1: realistic and fans, Giants fans, they need to understand that 865 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 1: you've been around for a long time. No offenseless, and 866 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,399 Speaker 1: you've been watching this football game for a long time. 867 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,360 Speaker 1: I was actually I'm at work, so I'm actually really busy, 868 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: so I'm unable to call in live. But I was 869 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,360 Speaker 1: actually listening to yesterday's so Sean and I actually have 870 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: to look at the time, and I had to give 871 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,160 Speaker 1: the phone a wing because Giants fans on yesterday. I 872 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 1: don't know what you guys are talking about. I won't 873 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,880 Speaker 1: make this fast. I have to go back to work. Um. 874 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 1: You know I've been I've been on the half of 875 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,960 Speaker 1: the younger side generation. What kind of what kind of work? 876 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 1: I'm curious. Um. I actually do logistics for Continental. What 877 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: we're doing is we're doing self driving vehicles of the future. 878 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,000 Speaker 1: So we're trying to put sensors on vehicles because they 879 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,439 Speaker 1: can drive themselves. So I'm out here in California trying 880 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,799 Speaker 1: to make sure that we can get vision zero zero 881 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: accidents on the road. But besides, beside me and back 882 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,840 Speaker 1: to the greatest spantrise that ever existed in the history 883 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 1: of sports. The New York Giants during such a disappointment, 884 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: and it's been really hurting me to even watch the games. 885 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,480 Speaker 1: But I just want to leave it at this. I 886 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: don't want to veil the Giants that you know what 887 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,359 Speaker 1: that shammer is white. You know what our guys are 888 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,160 Speaker 1: giving out there, They're giving effort. There's a lot of effort. 889 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,920 Speaker 1: But when you pay someone sixty two million dollars made soldier, 890 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,280 Speaker 1: what are you doing? You need to be the leader 891 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 1: out there. You need to be blocking. We can put 892 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: Dave on the field and Dave could block better than him. 893 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,440 Speaker 1: No offense, Dave. But you know what I'm saying, like, 894 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,160 Speaker 1: what are you doing? You get paid sixty two million dollars? 895 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,799 Speaker 1: Step up here, He's not even blocking. It's not like 896 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,920 Speaker 1: von Miller's rushing him. You know what I'm saying, Like, 897 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,080 Speaker 1: he needs to be blocking these guys. He needs to 898 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 1: be set in the example, helping these offensive line and 899 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,399 Speaker 1: he's not about sixty two million dollars. In my point, 900 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,759 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season, Yes, but right now, no, 901 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,000 Speaker 1: what we alway getting from from the two collars ago, 902 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,040 Speaker 1: what we always getting from this year is Berkeley is 903 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,879 Speaker 1: getting experienced. That's the best thing we're gonna get from 904 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,560 Speaker 1: this year. Berkeley is experience. He's gonna come in next 905 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: year and hopefully we'll revamped offensive line, hopefully made soldier, 906 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,080 Speaker 1: but stay and get better. Well, but he's not Barkley's 907 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 1: you know what, Sean, thanks for the call, buddy, But 908 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:48,239 Speaker 1: bark bark Barkley is not the only one getting getting experienced. 909 00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,799 Speaker 1: You know, a guy like and he's Hernandez, thank you, 910 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:57,840 Speaker 1: and Lorenzo Carter. But in particular, Will is placed in 911 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:03,200 Speaker 1: a difficult situation. Here's a rookie offensive lineman whose strength 912 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,200 Speaker 1: coming out of the draft was the fall, you know, 913 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,840 Speaker 1: and here he is, he's what what's now? He's playing 914 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 1: with his third center of the season, and he's got 915 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,640 Speaker 1: Solder on his other side. I mean, he's learning, he's 916 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:23,719 Speaker 1: gaining valuable, valuable experience. Okay, and you know, to me, 917 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,719 Speaker 1: he's been trying his ass off. A better term, it's difficult, 918 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,400 Speaker 1: you know, no one, no one's gonna say that. But 919 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,880 Speaker 1: it's not just Barkley gaining experience. To me, everybody's gaining experience. Listen, 920 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:42,040 Speaker 1: what's the expression what don't don't kill you makes you stronger? Well, 921 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,239 Speaker 1: this is a learning experience for Nate's older with every 922 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,920 Speaker 1: career that he's had in New England and now facing 923 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:53,320 Speaker 1: this all of a sudden, he went from going to 924 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,520 Speaker 1: the postseason on a regular basis. He comes in with 925 00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:01,000 Speaker 1: a big priced egg and uh, listen, but it's not 926 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 1: it's not that he's not He understands where he doesn't 927 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:12,080 Speaker 1: get it. But it's a difficult situation for everybody. Of course, nobody. 928 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,600 Speaker 1: I don't know any athlete who likes losing. You know that. 929 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,960 Speaker 1: I remember parcels would say to me, he go, you 930 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 1: know Taylor and Sims, they would compete in a parking lot. 931 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,960 Speaker 1: They would play in a parking lot. And I looked 932 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,760 Speaker 1: at him and said, what are you talking about? Because 933 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 1: I remember holdouts and this and that. But then I 934 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,880 Speaker 1: got to understand what he was saying. That the point 935 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 1: of competition, once they get on the field, they just 936 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,680 Speaker 1: want to compete, and they'll compete at checkers, on the 937 00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:51,319 Speaker 1: golf course, horseshoes, anything whatever. You guys are like that. 938 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,600 Speaker 1: Of course, of course. I mean we could be sitting 939 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,319 Speaker 1: out at that that. You just can tell I love 940 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,080 Speaker 1: to win, but I hate to lose more. Yeah, it's 941 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:06,440 Speaker 1: the truth. You know what Phil mcconcky once said, former 942 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,840 Speaker 1: Giant from their first Super Bowl. Phil mcconcky one said, Uh, 943 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,439 Speaker 1: you don't why athletes jump up all over each other 944 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: when they win a championship and they rejoice and celebrate. 945 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,879 Speaker 1: It's not because they're just so happy they won. They're 946 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: so relieved that they didn't lose. Because that feeling is 947 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,440 Speaker 1: the worst feeling. I couldn't imagine. No, I could not imagine. 948 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,840 Speaker 1: You know. That's why it always to me they've they've 949 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,759 Speaker 1: never been given Well, years and years and years later 950 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,120 Speaker 1: they were given the credit. But the Buffalo Bills going 951 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,040 Speaker 1: to four Super Bowls in a row and three times 952 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,520 Speaker 1: they had to get off the deck, let me tell you. 953 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,399 Speaker 1: And for years people were saying, Oh, that's an embarrassment, 954 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,080 Speaker 1: that's this and that. Get somebody else in there. Now 955 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,480 Speaker 1: it becomes to be appreciated four years in a row 956 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: and getting up picking yourselves up off the deck. Listen, 957 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,960 Speaker 1: listen what we're talking about. These Giants aren't going to 958 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,919 Speaker 1: any Super Bowl but they're all gonna have to pick 959 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,319 Speaker 1: themselves up off the deck. Um, where did you think 960 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:15,640 Speaker 1: we'd be realistically at this juncture after seven games? Honestly? Yeah, maybe, Yeah. 961 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,440 Speaker 1: I knew it would take time. You have a new 962 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,240 Speaker 1: scheme offensively, new scheme defensively, you have thirty new players 963 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,040 Speaker 1: to start the season. It takes time, you know, And 964 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,719 Speaker 1: don't forget folks. To start the season. It was not just, 965 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,960 Speaker 1: as Day says, the thirty new place because after they 966 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:36,239 Speaker 1: had the fifty three, thirty on the fifty three, Yeah exactly. 967 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,200 Speaker 1: I mean that that's huge. It's a completely different roster. 968 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,840 Speaker 1: So so they were, you know, uh, Gettleman and Sherman 969 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:50,319 Speaker 1: were retooling. Well they still are. You know, as Dave 970 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:55,360 Speaker 1: always says, every Tuesday, there's a group that are working 971 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,359 Speaker 1: out highway body fat. They're good, in their forties done, 972 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:03,160 Speaker 1: they're doing online D line wide receiver drills every single Tuesday. 973 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:07,200 Speaker 1: They're trying to bolster their roster every single week. You 974 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,279 Speaker 1: let me ask you this. You got Washington coming up 975 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:17,880 Speaker 1: the Redskins and then you have a bye week. Do 976 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:22,200 Speaker 1: you think, okay, they're gonna play the Redskins this week? 977 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:26,399 Speaker 1: And everything stays the same. Uh, Eli, when I say 978 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:32,920 Speaker 1: everything today is the same. Uh, if they lose, do 979 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,320 Speaker 1: you think after the bye week there's catastrophic changes or 980 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's I mean, it's hard to say catastrophe. 981 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,800 Speaker 1: Maybe I shouldn't use that word. But if it continues 982 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,319 Speaker 1: to go like this, you're definitely gonna have to at 983 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,000 Speaker 1: some point play Kyle Aletta. You gotta see what you 984 00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,640 Speaker 1: have and what you're going to see moving forward compared 985 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:57,239 Speaker 1: to what took place last season. That's a given. That's uh, 986 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,279 Speaker 1: one way you are the other. He's gonna have to 987 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,319 Speaker 1: get some snacks one way or the other because if 988 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,759 Speaker 1: they're looking to rebuild and they have to figure out 989 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,960 Speaker 1: they got to see what they got in him. Maybe, 990 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,439 Speaker 1: you know, they really not let history repeat itself. Maybe 991 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,759 Speaker 1: they really really like what they have in him. You know, 992 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,280 Speaker 1: remember something, folks, everybody was saying, well, and I loved 993 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,520 Speaker 1: Davis Webb. I mean, he was a favorite of mine, 994 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,160 Speaker 1: but they made the assessment that Kyle Loletta, they like 995 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:33,319 Speaker 1: Kyle Loletta more. Okay, And I don't mean to disparage 996 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,800 Speaker 1: Davis Webb, but where is David's Webb. He's on a 997 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,040 Speaker 1: practice squad of the Giants. Nobody was knocking down on 998 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:44,040 Speaker 1: the Jets rather. Yeah, you know, it just becomes one 999 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:49,680 Speaker 1: of those situations that listen, this is it's it's difficult 1000 00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:54,320 Speaker 1: times for all parties concerned with your New York Giants, 1001 00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,440 Speaker 1: for the fans, for the media, for the coaching staff. 1002 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,520 Speaker 1: And again I always say is you know, some people 1003 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,320 Speaker 1: have disputed with me. You know, Russia always say losing 1004 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,080 Speaker 1: doesn't hurt anybody as much as it hurts the players. 1005 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,680 Speaker 1: I still believe that, you know, you know, fans live 1006 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,200 Speaker 1: and die, but they live and die vicariously through the players. 1007 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:22,240 Speaker 1: It's the players themselves, you know. It's it's Eli Manning 1008 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,919 Speaker 1: getting the slings and arrows. It's it's Snacks Harrison being 1009 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:31,000 Speaker 1: traded today. It's Eli Apple being traded today. Nobody's thinking 1010 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:35,040 Speaker 1: about you know, while Eli single uh, Snacks has a family, 1011 00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,480 Speaker 1: it's got a bunch of kids. Nobody thinks it's reality. 1012 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,840 Speaker 1: Nobody thinks about those things. But that's that's the nature 1013 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,719 Speaker 1: of professional sports. I mean, I'm thinking about it, you know, 1014 00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,360 Speaker 1: Eli um, you know, nobody thinks about that. You know, 1015 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,919 Speaker 1: as I said last year, when a coach loses his job, 1016 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,360 Speaker 1: you're talking about twenty assistants and twenty families. You know 1017 00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:56,799 Speaker 1: it's not a matter of fact. Well let's get rid 1018 00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,560 Speaker 1: of this guy. That's easier said than done. There are 1019 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:07,080 Speaker 1: ramifications anyway, Um two oh one four or five one 1020 00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,080 Speaker 1: three is a number? One more reminded before we sign off, David, 1021 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,160 Speaker 1: they've got to remind all our callers and listeners and 1022 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,000 Speaker 1: fans that Big Blue Kickoff Live here is presented to 1023 00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,799 Speaker 1: you by cores Light. Download the cores Light Rewards apt 1024 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,920 Speaker 1: to win yourself Amazing Giants prizes throughout this season. It 1025 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,759 Speaker 1: has been a busy first few days up until we're 1026 00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,600 Speaker 1: only at Wednesday. At week is not over yet. You've 1027 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,680 Speaker 1: got the Redskins coming up this week at MetLife Stadium. 1028 00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,840 Speaker 1: We shall see what happens for Brandon Roth, our producer 1029 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,960 Speaker 1: for my buddy here form a two time Super Bowl champion, 1030 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 1: David Deal Amru Salzburg. Thanks for being part of the show. 1031 00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,080 Speaker 1: We will see you next time.