WEBVTT - Dan Pfeiffer & Eli Tan 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.479 today's best minds. And Gallup has the Supreme Court's job 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:15.319 approval rating at a record level, which is thirty three 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:19.159 percent of Americans approving of the High courts work. We 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:23.360 have such a great show for you today. Pods Save 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:28.720 America's Dan Pfeiffer stops by to talk about Trump's dysfunction. 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:31.639 Then we'll talk to The New York Times Eli Tan 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:37.800 about the shocking story of Meta's Louisiana data center. But 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:39.080 first the news. 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:43.839 Somalley Governor Basheer has done an interesting maneuver here that 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.599 I don't know how effective it'll be to try to 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:50.800 get Mitch McConnell to show proof of life before this 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:54.200 upcoming deadline next week where there would no longer be 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:55.920 a special election for a seat. 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:01.360 So here is what's happening. There is a lot of 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:06.440 noise about whether or not Mitch McConnell is dead. Probably not, 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.080 but maybe nobody knows. 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:11.280 Doesn't it feel like it would be a fitting part 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:13.680 of his legacy to do this like that. That's just 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:15.520 basically why this is like it almost feels like we're 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:17.679 honoring him by assuming he would do this. 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:21.240 I don't think that Mitch McConnell is dead. I'm gonna 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.520 tell you the truth. I actually don't think he's dead. 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:25.920 But maybe he is. I don't know. I mean, I 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:29.760 think the more likely scenario is that he's like not 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:33.160 as well as those photos make him out to be. 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:37.759 So there have been two very bizarre photos that were 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:42.119 released by Mitch McConnell's office. Both make Mitch McConnell look 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.840 very relaxed in a way that if you look at 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:50.360 more recent photos of Mitch McConnell, they don't totally track. Now, 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:56.560 am I a Mitch McConnell Truther? I am maybe a 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:58.760 little bit of a Mitch mcconald truth. Maybe I'm a 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:02.760 Mitch mcconald truther. I don't know, but there's something off here. 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:07.360 So here's what's happening. Andy Buscher, who's the Democratic governor 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:09.839 of the state, is sort of trying to figure out 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.640 how to do this. So it's forty days since the 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.200 eighty four year old has been seen. Okay, forty days, 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.360 that's a little more than a month, and Boucher is 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.960 like trying every which way to do it. So he 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:26.200 has sent a letter to McConnell and his staff that 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:32.440 McConnell needs to verbally address his constituents and demonstrate his 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:36.720 ability to serve or resign his seat. This is i think, 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:43.080 probably again the best possible option. Remember, Boucher is in 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:46.840 a red state with a super majority that has actually 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.920 and again we don't know what the story is with 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.720 the appointment, but they did something to make it harder 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:57.959 or maybe impossible for the Democratic governor to fill the 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:00.880 seat because there are Republicans and so they cheat. So 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.760 we don't really know, if you know, he may have 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.600 trouble filling that seat. But either way, this is the 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:11.840 way that bur Cher is trying to thread the needle. 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:17.480 And again it is pretty strange that McConnell has just 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:22.079 completely disappeared. And so we'll see this letter was from Monday, 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.640 and it's the second one that Burscher has sent to 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:30.920 Mitch McConnell's office. Remember, Scott Jennings, I'm not sure you 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:33.000 want to take that guy to the bank, but he 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:36.520 has said that he has talked to McConnell for twenty minutes. 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:41.200 Other Republicans have also battered around that figure as well. 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:47.000 Yeah, so let's talk about some not some fun things 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.280 happening on the Democratic side. As we discussed in our 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:54.080 last episode, Ken Martin has been accused of being a 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:58.880 very ineffective leader at the DCC and as well having 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.160 a bit of a temperate seat. But what's interesting is 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.520 Democrats seem to be sticking by him. There's been very 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:09.040 few people calling for him to resign in the actual party. 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:13.600 Yeah, this is not good. Ken Martin can't raise money 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:17.960 and Ken Martin can't do media. So what does Ken 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.880 Martin do if he can't raise money and he can't 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:26.520 do media. Real question. But hell, Democrats do not want 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:30.240 to call for him to resign, and so we have 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:34.560 Democrats who are scared of asking him to resign. So 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:38.520 Greg Meeks said he doesn't think that he should resign. 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.200 You know, look, it's hard to get people to resign. 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:45.200 It's clearly time for Ken Martin to resign. This article 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:49.839 has a lot of quotes it's from notice about members 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:52.479 of Congress saying they don't think he should resign. But 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.560 obviously you should resign. I mean, this is just very 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.600 stupid and it's nice that Democrats support each other, but 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.960 this is probably time to stop when it comes to 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:02.640 this anyway. 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:07.880 Yeah, So the fdaight, who as we know, just can't 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:11.240 stop winning. There's just things going so well with our 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:15.760 food supply, it's amazing. So they're deciding to codify the 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:17.000 dojerra policies. 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.480 It's all fine as long as you don't have lettuce. 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:22.600 Yes, keep calm and carry on. 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.880 Yeah, just without lettuce, no stop all for you. So 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:33.200 the agency will stop it's specializing its field instructor inspectors 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:38.440 starting in October. They will officially consolidate administrative staff across 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:43.680 the agency's nine centers and stop specializing its field inspectors 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:47.360 starting in October. This is a doge change, and it 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:51.600 means that you will see more explosive diarrhea. This is 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:56.440 like just you know, richest man in the world came 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:00.839 into our federal government cut all sorts of or shod 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:07.159 and this is just such an insane thing the FDA. 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.160 It's so basically there's an expert who says that proper 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:15.839 assessment requires FDA investigators of matching skills and knowledge. You know, 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:17.760 the idea is you're going to save money by having 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:22.120 people who don't know what they're doing do this. It's 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.839 really it's just so stupid. I mean, it's like it's 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:31.799 absolutely the legacy of good old dumb RFK Junior. 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:37.640 Yeah, hendos making things totally stupid, or the Department of 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:42.200 Government lack of efficiency. Yeah Sobali. All we've heard is 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.800 how could Democrats ever ever choose someone with such poor 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:52.080 character as Graham Platner when sitting mega Congressman has accusations 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.359 that now keep pouring in that are very credible, that 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.840 are literally some of the most monstrous accusations I can 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:01.239 remember ever being at this And I'm of course starting 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:05.920 about Representative Max Miller, who is married to Bernie Marino's daughter. 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:10.840 Yeah, so Max Miller. These are court filings that say 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:17.200 that he poured water, hot waters, scalding water on his wife, 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.080 he put a gun to her head, and he has 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:27.200 allegedly broken the collar bone of his daughter. This is 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:33.400 pretty dark stuff here. It sounds like domestic abuse. It's 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:38.840 shocking to me that Congressman Marino would not defend his daughter. 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:43.680 Max Miller also has abuse allegations from other women too. 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:47.680 So here's what's happened. Republicans are worried about losing the House, 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.440 and they don't want him to resign because then their 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:56.120 numbers will get so tight that they won't be able 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.840 to keep the House, to keep the majority. Remember that 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:07.720 earlier this year, Eric Swallwell and a representative Tony Gonzalez 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:11.280 from Texas both resigned at the same time. They both 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:16.080 had allegations, pretty terrible allegations against them. They both resigned. 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:20.000 They swapped them out because they canceled each other out. Well, 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:23.040 turns out there's another. I know you'll be shocked to 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:28.160 hear this. A member of Congress. This guy is now 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.720 they won't ask him to leave because of course they 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:35.600 don't want to lose the House. So he had Democratic 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.480 strategist on Fox News because Fox News is having a 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:42.600 segment on Grand Platner, and he brought this up and 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:47.160 Fox News is not pleased. So look, it's all bad 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.880 and none of this should be happening. And like it, 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:54.000 like domestic violence should be a no go on the 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:57.560 left and the right. But it is particularly striking to 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:03.200 watch people like the Speaker the condemn Democrats who do it, 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:11.640 but then keep Republicans who do it in Congress. Dan 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.560 Pheiffer is a co host of Positive America and the 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:18.320 author of the newsletter message Box welcome, Welcome, Dan. 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:20.720 I'm excited to be here. It's been a while. 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:24.280 I'm thrilled to have you. It's groundhog Day, right, it's 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:28.319 the summer of groundhog Day. New tariffs war is over. 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:32.640 Net Yahoo in the Oval Office. 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.400 Discuss sometimes they try to put myself in the position 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.360 of someone who is running a Republican campaign in the 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:42.160 cycle running Republicans superpack at the NRCC or the NRSC, 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.480 and you just they just must wake up every day 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.319 and just want to bang their head against the deaths 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:52.600 because Trump seems so committed to making their lives harder. 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:55.680 Right, Affordabillli's number one issue. So what does he do. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:10:01.880 He launches more tariffs, something that voters absolute despies, watches 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.199 more of them. He can't end this war he started 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.280 that has raised gas prices. He then has net Yahoo 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.200 to the White House, which is another problem for him, 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.520 particularly with his base right. And this is like at 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:14.840 every turn he is doing what Trump wants to do, 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:16.599 not what's good for Republicans. 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.320 We talk a lot about the Democratic split over Israel, 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:23.240 and that is very much like a mainstream media talking point, 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:27.040 but there's a real maga split over Israel too, which 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:28.880 is in some ways more profound. 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.880 Yeah, I mean, it's certainly at the very top amongst 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:33.920 some of the most powerful media personality, some of the 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:38.000 most pro MAGA folks, the Tucker Carlson's of the world, 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.600 and they're in a constant war with the Ben Shapiro's 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.840 of the world. Obviously we have our own splits there. 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:46.000 But the other thing is is that the young MAGA 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.079 voters are almost as skeptical as Israel as the young 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:53.480 Democratic voters. And that gets is that the change in 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.000 public opinion on Israel, in particularly US aid to Israel, 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:01.480 is generational, not just ideological. And I think that's lost 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:02.760 in this to be a lot, and that's going to 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.040 affect up because those are the voters they need once 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:06.480 you turn it out on twenty twenty four, to turnout 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:09.319 twenty twenty six, if they have any chance of minimizing 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:10.040 their losses here. 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.800 Yeah, I mean, it's such an important point about Israel 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.800 because you know, I'm Jewish, my husband's Jewish, my husband's 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.360 a bit older than I am. And I think the 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.559 closer you are to the Holo Coast to living through it, 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:26.400 the more you under you know, I'm under fifty, quite 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:30.120 a bit let me just lie here. And he's over sixty, 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.640 and so there is a real split there. And with 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.800 the younger generation, I don't think they understand the Holocaust 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:39.880 and the history of Israel. 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:42.400 And if you are of a certain age, you have 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.160 only known the net Nyahoo government. You've never known a 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.800 time when there was a realistic or even plausible path 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:53.960 to a two state solution. You've only known a right 0:11:53.960 --> 0:12:00.080 wing Israeli leader who has associated himself very explicitly with Republicans, 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.920 whether it was going to Congress to attack Barack Obama, 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.560 like getting involved in these elections, being supportive of Trump, 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.760 all of those things, and that has colored views here 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:13.400 and it is like they're like the wherever you come 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:16.880 down on the US relation of Israel, people have to 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.439 recognize that this is not just it's not just a 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.760 right wing and left wing split. The biggest movement in 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.840 change both on the question of aid to Israel, US 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.800 military aid with or without conditions, and on who you 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.559 sympathize more with the Palacaitians and Israelis, which is this 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:37.640 question Gallup has been asking for decades, is among independence, 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:40.040 like that is where the big shift has been. That's 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.160 what it like Democrats have moved, Republicans have moved, and 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:44.200 independence have also moved at this basically the same rate 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.400 as Democrats, and that has changed the politics here in 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:48.920 a lot of ways that we'd like we're seeing play 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:50.400 out in Michigan of some places like that. 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:52.400 I want to talk to you about Michigan, but I 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:54.400 also just want to talk to you for a man 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:59.120 about the split, because it does strike me that first 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.800 I want to ask you you were working in the 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:06.200 Obama White House when net Yahoo came and took a 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.240 stand against Obama. 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:08.679 Can you? 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.760 I mean, I just remember that being so shocking. 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:14.559 Yeah, I mean it was part of it. Like Obama 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.880 and net Yeah, who never got along. They had very 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:21.280 very big disagreements that really you know, reached their crest 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:25.760 at with the Iran deal in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.640 but it started from the beginning. And you know, it 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.560 was relatively well known that some of Nan Yahou's top 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.120 aids are working very close with Mitt Romney in the 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.520 twenty twelve election. You know, here you have a country 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.520 that is an ally, but the leader of the country 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:40.760 is a political adversary of the president. And that's a 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:45.520 very complicated dynamic to manage wild so younger voters. 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:49.240 Though, it strikes me that there is this real shift 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.160 that's happening, which is not it's not left versus right, 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:55.640 but up versus down. And we've heard Dan Osborne talk 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.520 about this, we heard Troy Jackson talk about this in May, 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:04.200 we've heard other you know, it's more of a Bernie ish, 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:08.080 you know that it's really about the it's economic populism 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:13.320 and not ideological. It's ideological, but in a way that's 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:14.800 more about affordability. 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.000 Yeah, I think you nailed exactly right. Which is a 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:21.880 lot of the conversation within political circles, whether you're on 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.960 cable news or on podcasts like ours, or especially on 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:28.600 Twitter or even Blue Sky is left first right, and 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.520 that there are these candidates there are more left wing 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.440 and more and more to the center. And there is 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.120 certainly an element of that, and certainly the candidates who 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.520 won in New York were certainly far more liberal and 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.720 issues other than just the economy than your standard media 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:45.280 and democratic member of Congress. But there is this shift 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:49.000 in politics where it really is up versus down, and 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.760 there's this popcast and people think at all, you know, 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.520 two thirds of voters two thirds of voters think the 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:58.120 economic system in this country is raped. Yeah, declining numbers 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.720 of voters think that if you work hard you can 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:08.040 get by and there in, capitalism is decreasing in favorability 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.600 and socialism is increasing favorability, and all of these things 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:15.800 have created an environment where candidates who are can speak 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.360 with authenticity and passion about how the system is rigged, 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.040 can offer solutions on how to unrig it, both in 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:25.840 terms of government corruption but also just a very basic 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.120 idea around everyone getting healthcare, better wages, those sorts of things, 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.840 and can name the name the villains, the same villains 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:34.640 that the people have. You're willing to actually call out 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:38.360 the corporations special interests of the billionaires you're speaking. You 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.600 may or may not win your primary, but you are 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.680 you have the political win that you're back in this environment. 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.480 And too many Democrats, ically establishment democrats, have struggled to 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:50.240 do that because it's not natural for a certain wing 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.360 of the party that has been around for a while. 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:52.640 Now. 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:56.440 Yeah, so say more about that because that comes into 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:00.640 I think the Michigan primary last night. We have a candidate, 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:04.480 Hailey Stevens, who who was the establishment candidate. She has 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:09.040 the pretty much the establishment. I think every almost everyone 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:09.320 in the. 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.720 Slocked except slacking. Let's just slock on someone who wasn't endorsed. 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:16.240 Yeah, but you had Gretchen, you had I don't know 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:17.800 if Dana Nessel. 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.840 I think the ships Gretchen, Dana Nessel, Gary Peters, and 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.960 Wie Stabana have all endorsed Haley Stevens and. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:30.040 A lot of corporations, a lot of big packs. And 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:34.200 then you have doctor said, who is got Bernie and 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:38.840 Elizabeth Warren? And so it's really like, you know, a battle, 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:42.560 a real ideological battle here. What did you think about last? 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.640 This is a fascinating race, and it's partly a fascinating 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.240 race because there has been no high quality polling of 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.880 this race. No one has any idea who's actually winning. 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.800 There's this one poll from a polster who of a 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.920 sort of spotty reputation that does only live phone calls, 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.160 doesn't do a lot of weight, that showed Hailey Stevens 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.359 up I think by seven or eight points on abdul 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:08.639 Steed after Mali mcmorro, the third candidate dropped out. But 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.199 no one really has any idea what is happening in 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.720 this race. It's sort of like all of the battles 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:17.840 within the party have manifested themselves in this race. So 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:22.240 you have el said is very is against will vote 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:25.640 against Chuck Schumer, is anti establishment. Hailey Stevens is the 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:29.680 hand pick candidate of Schumer and the DSCC. The biggest 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:33.720 issue is probably between them is Israel. Apak is gonna 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.520 end up spending sixty million dollars in this primary alone 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:40.479 on Hilly Stevens and none of it have actually about Israel, 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:43.159 but because she is a candidate they want. Abdul has 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.760 been a very aggressive critic of Israel, has called it 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.000 a genocide, wants to end all aid to Israel, has 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.080 called Israel and apartheid. Say so, this is a big 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:55.080 dividing line there. I watched the debate last night, you 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.600 know all of that was there. We're sort of in 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:59.719 the final stretch here where watching the debate, it's hard 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.040 to tell who thinks they're winning and who thinks they're losing. 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:04.480 But it seems like they both think the race is 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:06.480 close enough that they're trying to score a few points 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.000 here and there and not take wild swings. The other 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:10.800 part of this race that really is is that you 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:12.720 have these all these super packs and a lot of 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:17.040 corporations supporting Haley Stevens. That is a big Abdul does 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.640 not take corporate pac money, although he does have super packs, 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:23.719 but their labor superpacks supporting him, and so the influence 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:26.520 of corporations corporate money is a big part of this 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:28.440 race too. And then all over top of it is 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.960 this unanswerable question about electability. It is the very strong 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:35.680 belief of a lot of the establishment that Hailey Stevens 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.719 is much more electable than Abdul, and that if we 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.360 were to not if the people Michigan were to nominate Abdul, 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.960 then we would make it less likely, not impossible, but 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.480 less likely that Democrats would win Michigan. If we don't 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.720 win Michigan or not, it's hard to get to send 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.679 a majority without Michigan. You know, whether that a right 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.920 or not is a question you can debate. But it's 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.280 like a truly fascinating race. I think we're going to 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.680 get a pulled maybe as soon as today. In this race, 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.040 they'll maybe tell us a little bit more. But it's 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:07.720 everything that everyone's in finding about in the party on 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:09.960 Twitter since twenty twenty four is happening in Michigan. 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:11.960 For a long time, I thought she was such a 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:17.800 bad speaker that it would be his to get because 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.600 but she seems like she's gotten a little better. 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.120 She has, she absolutely has. I think she is a 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:25.639 has come into her own as a candidate. In the 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:29.040 final stretch here, she was a She does very Up 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:32.000 until the recent party here, she did very few events, basically, 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:35.280 like very few town halls. Abdullah is everywhere all the 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:37.960 time on social media in events. I think he said 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:40.359 last night they di done four hundred some events across 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.119 Michigan town halls where he's taking questions. She's had a 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.280 much more cautious engage strategy of engagement with the voters 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:49.800 and the media. But she's definitely sort of There was 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.199 a clip that went viral of her that a lot 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:54.119 of people left really made fun of about her, like 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:57.719 a very aggressive Michigan accent saying talking about give him 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:00.840 some sticket to them or whatever it was. She leaned 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:02.560 into that and I think a way that was effective. 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:08.000 The question here really is in Michigan, you have one 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:11.360 in five in typical Michigan primary, one in five Democratic 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:13.719 primary voters is black, when well over half are going 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:18.480 to be women, and so the strategy from the pro 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:23.400 Hailey Stephens side is to win on women and black voters. 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:26.680 They've done this through two ways. One is they've run 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:30.439 the APAC super Pac has run a lot of ads 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:35.800 saying calling Abdul a misogynist, saying he's toxic women, sort 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:37.439 of trying to play a little bit on the like 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:40.760 this to swim in the wake of bank platinirm. And 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:43.720 then the other thing is black voters. They have run there. 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:45.400 If you can't turn on a TV in Michigan without 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:49.080 seeing a clip of Barack Obama in twenty eighteen campaigning 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.000 for Haley Stevens complimenting her for having worked the work 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:54.119 she had done on the Auto Task Force when she 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:57.480 worked in the Obama administration, and that has been that 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:01.040 clip is not dated in any of these of you know, Angeliy, 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:03.080 hear a lot of voters saying they think Obama has 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:06.080 endorsed here, which he hasn't. He is not, He has 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:09.359 not endorsed any candidate in his race. And so how 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:11.679 effected that'll be, what the turnout will look like in 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:13.959 Wayne County is all going to determine what's happened here. 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:17.680 But it's fascinating and Honestly, this election can't come soon 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:18.919 enough because I'd like this fight to end. 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:24.080 When she FORFM, what percentage of voters in Michigan are Muslim, You. 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:25.720 Know, I should know that off the top of my head, 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:28.040 but it is the highest percentage of any state in 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:30.720 the country. Early voting is not always a great predictor. 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:33.719 Michigan had early vote by mail and then they have 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:35.920 they had started in person a couple of days ago 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:39.560 in Dearborn County, which is where the sort of the 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:42.960 nexus of that population is. Turnout has been quite high. Now, 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.800 sometimes when there's a lot of enthusiasm, you cannibalize your 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:48.359 election day vote with your early vote. So it's it's hard. 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:51.200 It's hard to say but that this is what is 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:53.080 kind of what makes us race so fascinates because it 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:56.320 is this big giant debate over Israel with a candidate 0:21:56.560 --> 0:22:00.399 being largely bankrolled by an Apex super pac with the 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:02.919 as the as the hand pick Canada of the Senate 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:07.000 leadership in the state with the largest Muslim population that 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:10.760 was the birthplace of the uncommitted movement against Joe Biden, 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:12.880 and then Kamala Harris, right. 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:17.639 I mean this is rough, Like you know, and the 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:21.960 big question I think in my mind, what I care 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:27.119 about is will whoever wins be able to get the 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:28.560 voters of the other person. 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:30.840 Yeah, it's going to be a really interesting question. This 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:34.840 goes the electability Like this, The electability argument is Haley 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:37.200 Stephen slips a Republican district. That is absolutely true in 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:40.360 twenty eighteen. Since then, she's basically performed critically twenty four 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:43.720 as a generic Democrat like no, good, fine, this is 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:46.680 a fifty to fifty state that should be three to 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:49.480 four to five points more democratic if the national environment 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:51.000 states the way it is, you know, and that she 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:54.320