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Speaker 1: first the news.
Speaker 2: Somalley Governor Basheer has done an interesting maneuver here that
Speaker 2: I don't know how effective it'll be to try to
Speaker 2: get Mitch McConnell to show proof of life before this
Speaker 2: upcoming deadline next week where there would no longer be
Speaker 2: a special election for a seat.
Speaker 1: So here is what's happening. There is a lot of
Speaker 1: noise about whether or not Mitch McConnell is dead. Probably not,
Speaker 1: but maybe nobody knows.
Speaker 3: Doesn't it feel like it would be a fitting part
Speaker 3: of his legacy to do this like that. That's just
Speaker 3: basically why this is like it almost feels like we're
Speaker 3: honoring him by assuming he would do this.
Speaker 1: I don't think that Mitch McConnell is dead. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you the truth. I actually don't think he's dead.
Speaker 1: But maybe he is. I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think the more likely scenario is that he's like not
Speaker 1: as well as those photos make him out to be.
Speaker 1: So there have been two very bizarre photos that were
Speaker 1: released by Mitch McConnell's office. Both make Mitch McConnell look
Speaker 1: very relaxed in a way that if you look at
Speaker 1: more recent photos of Mitch McConnell, they don't totally track. Now,
Speaker 1: am I a Mitch McConnell Truther? I am maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit of a Mitch mcconald truth. Maybe I'm a
Speaker 1: Mitch mcconald truther. I don't know, but there's something off here.
Speaker 1: So here's what's happening. Andy Buscher, who's the Democratic governor
Speaker 1: of the state, is sort of trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how to do this. So it's forty days since the
Speaker 1: eighty four year old has been seen. Okay, forty days,
Speaker 1: that's a little more than a month, and Boucher is
Speaker 1: like trying every which way to do it. So he
Speaker 1: has sent a letter to McConnell and his staff that
Speaker 1: McConnell needs to verbally address his constituents and demonstrate his
Speaker 1: ability to serve or resign his seat. This is i think,
Speaker 1: probably again the best possible option. Remember, Boucher is in
Speaker 1: a red state with a super majority that has actually
Speaker 1: and again we don't know what the story is with
Speaker 1: the appointment, but they did something to make it harder
Speaker 1: or maybe impossible for the Democratic governor to fill the
Speaker 1: seat because there are Republicans and so they cheat. So
Speaker 1: we don't really know, if you know, he may have
Speaker 1: trouble filling that seat. But either way, this is the
Speaker 1: way that bur Cher is trying to thread the needle.
Speaker 1: And again it is pretty strange that McConnell has just
Speaker 1: completely disappeared. And so we'll see this letter was from Monday,
Speaker 1: and it's the second one that Burscher has sent to
Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell's office. Remember, Scott Jennings, I'm not sure you
Speaker 1: want to take that guy to the bank, but he
Speaker 1: has said that he has talked to McConnell for twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: Other Republicans have also battered around that figure as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's talk about some not some fun things
Speaker 3: happening on the Democratic side. As we discussed in our
Speaker 3: last episode, Ken Martin has been accused of being a
Speaker 3: very ineffective leader at the DCC and as well having
Speaker 3: a bit of a temperate seat. But what's interesting is
Speaker 3: Democrats seem to be sticking by him. There's been very
Speaker 3: few people calling for him to resign in the actual party.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not good. Ken Martin can't raise money
Speaker 1: and Ken Martin can't do media. So what does Ken
Speaker 1: Martin do if he can't raise money and he can't
Speaker 1: do media. Real question. But hell, Democrats do not want
Speaker 1: to call for him to resign, and so we have
Speaker 1: Democrats who are scared of asking him to resign. So
Speaker 1: Greg Meeks said he doesn't think that he should resign.
Speaker 1: You know, look, it's hard to get people to resign.
Speaker 1: It's clearly time for Ken Martin to resign. This article
Speaker 1: has a lot of quotes it's from notice about members
Speaker 1: of Congress saying they don't think he should resign. But
Speaker 1: obviously you should resign. I mean, this is just very
Speaker 1: stupid and it's nice that Democrats support each other, but
Speaker 1: this is probably time to stop when it comes to
Speaker 1: this anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the fdaight, who as we know, just can't
Speaker 3: stop winning. There's just things going so well with our
Speaker 3: food supply, it's amazing. So they're deciding to codify the
Speaker 3: dojerra policies.
Speaker 1: It's all fine as long as you don't have lettuce.
Speaker 3: Yes, keep calm and carry on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just without lettuce, no stop all for you. So
Speaker 1: the agency will stop it's specializing its field instructor inspectors
Speaker 1: starting in October. They will officially consolidate administrative staff across
Speaker 1: the agency's nine centers and stop specializing its field inspectors
Speaker 1: starting in October. This is a doge change, and it
Speaker 1: means that you will see more explosive diarrhea. This is
Speaker 1: like just you know, richest man in the world came
Speaker 1: into our federal government cut all sorts of or shod
Speaker 1: and this is just such an insane thing the FDA.
Speaker 1: It's so basically there's an expert who says that proper
Speaker 1: assessment requires FDA investigators of matching skills and knowledge. You know,
Speaker 1: the idea is you're going to save money by having
Speaker 1: people who don't know what they're doing do this. It's
Speaker 1: really it's just so stupid. I mean, it's like it's
Speaker 1: absolutely the legacy of good old dumb RFK Junior.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hendos making things totally stupid, or the Department of
Speaker 3: Government lack of efficiency. Yeah Sobali. All we've heard is
Speaker 3: how could Democrats ever ever choose someone with such poor
Speaker 3: character as Graham Platner when sitting mega Congressman has accusations
Speaker 3: that now keep pouring in that are very credible, that
Speaker 3: are literally some of the most monstrous accusations I can
Speaker 3: remember ever being at this And I'm of course starting
Speaker 3: about Representative Max Miller, who is married to Bernie Marino's daughter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Max Miller. These are court filings that say
Speaker 1: that he poured water, hot waters, scalding water on his wife,
Speaker 1: he put a gun to her head, and he has
Speaker 1: allegedly broken the collar bone of his daughter. This is
Speaker 1: pretty dark stuff here. It sounds like domestic abuse. It's
Speaker 1: shocking to me that Congressman Marino would not defend his daughter.
Speaker 1: Max Miller also has abuse allegations from other women too.
Speaker 1: So here's what's happened. Republicans are worried about losing the House,
Speaker 1: and they don't want him to resign because then their
Speaker 1: numbers will get so tight that they won't be able
Speaker 1: to keep the House, to keep the majority. Remember that
Speaker 1: earlier this year, Eric Swallwell and a representative Tony Gonzalez
Speaker 1: from Texas both resigned at the same time. They both
Speaker 1: had allegations, pretty terrible allegations against them. They both resigned.
Speaker 1: They swapped them out because they canceled each other out. Well,
Speaker 1: turns out there's another. I know you'll be shocked to
Speaker 1: hear this. A member of Congress. This guy is now
Speaker 1: they won't ask him to leave because of course they
Speaker 1: don't want to lose the House. So he had Democratic
Speaker 1: strategist on Fox News because Fox News is having a
Speaker 1: segment on Grand Platner, and he brought this up and
Speaker 1: Fox News is not pleased. So look, it's all bad
Speaker 1: and none of this should be happening. And like it,
Speaker 1: like domestic violence should be a no go on the
Speaker 1: left and the right. But it is particularly striking to
Speaker 1: watch people like the Speaker the condemn Democrats who do it,
Speaker 1: but then keep Republicans who do it in Congress. Dan
Speaker 1: Pheiffer is a co host of Positive America and the
Speaker 1: author of the newsletter message Box welcome, Welcome, Dan.
Speaker 4: I'm excited to be here. It's been a while.
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to have you. It's groundhog Day, right, it's
Speaker 1: the summer of groundhog Day. New tariffs war is over.
Speaker 1: Net Yahoo in the Oval Office.
Speaker 5: Discuss sometimes they try to put myself in the position
Speaker 5: of someone who is running a Republican campaign in the
Speaker 5: cycle running Republicans superpack at the NRCC or the NRSC,
Speaker 5: and you just they just must wake up every day
Speaker 5: and just want to bang their head against the deaths
Speaker 5: because Trump seems so committed to making their lives harder.
Speaker 4: Right, Affordabillli's number one issue. So what does he do.
Speaker 4: He launches more tariffs, something that voters absolute despies, watches
Speaker 4: more of them. He can't end this war he started
Speaker 4: that has raised gas prices. He then has net Yahoo
Speaker 4: to the White House, which is another problem for him,
Speaker 4: particularly with his base right. And this is like at
Speaker 4: every turn he is doing what Trump wants to do,
Speaker 4: not what's good for Republicans.
Speaker 1: We talk a lot about the Democratic split over Israel,
Speaker 1: and that is very much like a mainstream media talking point,
Speaker 1: but there's a real maga split over Israel too, which
Speaker 1: is in some ways more profound.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's certainly at the very top amongst
Speaker 4: some of the most powerful media personality, some of the
Speaker 4: most pro MAGA folks, the Tucker Carlson's of the world,
Speaker 4: and they're in a constant war with the Ben Shapiro's
Speaker 4: of the world. Obviously we have our own splits there.
Speaker 4: But the other thing is is that the young MAGA
Speaker 4: voters are almost as skeptical as Israel as the young
Speaker 4: Democratic voters. And that gets is that the change in
Speaker 4: public opinion on Israel, in particularly US aid to Israel,
Speaker 4: is generational, not just ideological. And I think that's lost
Speaker 4: in this to be a lot, and that's going to
Speaker 4: affect up because those are the voters they need once
Speaker 4: you turn it out on twenty twenty four, to turnout
Speaker 4: twenty twenty six, if they have any chance of minimizing
Speaker 4: their losses here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's such an important point about Israel
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm Jewish, my husband's Jewish, my husband's
Speaker 1: a bit older than I am. And I think the
Speaker 1: closer you are to the Holo Coast to living through it,
Speaker 1: the more you under you know, I'm under fifty, quite
Speaker 1: a bit let me just lie here. And he's over sixty,
Speaker 1: and so there is a real split there. And with
Speaker 1: the younger generation, I don't think they understand the Holocaust
Speaker 1: and the history of Israel.
Speaker 4: And if you are of a certain age, you have
Speaker 4: only known the net Nyahoo government. You've never known a
Speaker 4: time when there was a realistic or even plausible path
Speaker 4: to a two state solution. You've only known a right
Speaker 4: wing Israeli leader who has associated himself very explicitly with Republicans,
Speaker 4: whether it was going to Congress to attack Barack Obama,
Speaker 4: like getting involved in these elections, being supportive of Trump,
Speaker 4: all of those things, and that has colored views here
Speaker 4: and it is like they're like the wherever you come
Speaker 4: down on the US relation of Israel, people have to
Speaker 4: recognize that this is not just it's not just a
Speaker 4: right wing and left wing split. The biggest movement in
Speaker 4: change both on the question of aid to Israel, US
Speaker 4: military aid with or without conditions, and on who you
Speaker 4: sympathize more with the Palacaitians and Israelis, which is this
Speaker 4: question Gallup has been asking for decades, is among independence,
Speaker 4: like that is where the big shift has been. That's
Speaker 4: what it like Democrats have moved, Republicans have moved, and
Speaker 4: independence have also moved at this basically the same rate
Speaker 4: as Democrats, and that has changed the politics here in
Speaker 4: a lot of ways that we'd like we're seeing play
Speaker 4: out in Michigan of some places like that.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about Michigan, but I
Speaker 1: also just want to talk to you for a man
Speaker 1: about the split, because it does strike me that first
Speaker 1: I want to ask you you were working in the
Speaker 1: Obama White House when net Yahoo came and took a
Speaker 1: stand against Obama.
Speaker 6: Can you?
Speaker 1: I mean, I just remember that being so shocking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was part of it. Like Obama
Speaker 4: and net Yeah, who never got along. They had very
Speaker 4: very big disagreements that really you know, reached their crest
Speaker 4: at with the Iran deal in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen,
Speaker 4: but it started from the beginning. And you know, it
Speaker 4: was relatively well known that some of Nan Yahou's top
Speaker 4: aids are working very close with Mitt Romney in the
Speaker 4: twenty twelve election. You know, here you have a country
Speaker 4: that is an ally, but the leader of the country
Speaker 4: is a political adversary of the president. And that's a
Speaker 4: very complicated dynamic to manage wild so younger voters.
Speaker 1: Though, it strikes me that there is this real shift
Speaker 1: that's happening, which is not it's not left versus right,
Speaker 1: but up versus down. And we've heard Dan Osborne talk
Speaker 1: about this, we heard Troy Jackson talk about this in May,
Speaker 1: we've heard other you know, it's more of a Bernie ish,
Speaker 1: you know that it's really about the it's economic populism
Speaker 1: and not ideological. It's ideological, but in a way that's
Speaker 1: more about affordability.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you nailed exactly right. Which is a
Speaker 4: lot of the conversation within political circles, whether you're on
Speaker 4: cable news or on podcasts like ours, or especially on
Speaker 4: Twitter or even Blue Sky is left first right, and
Speaker 4: that there are these candidates there are more left wing
Speaker 4: and more and more to the center. And there is
Speaker 4: certainly an element of that, and certainly the candidates who
Speaker 4: won in New York were certainly far more liberal and
Speaker 4: issues other than just the economy than your standard media
Speaker 4: and democratic member of Congress. But there is this shift
Speaker 4: in politics where it really is up versus down, and
Speaker 4: there's this popcast and people think at all, you know,
Speaker 4: two thirds of voters two thirds of voters think the
Speaker 4: economic system in this country is raped. Yeah, declining numbers
Speaker 4: of voters think that if you work hard you can
Speaker 4: get by and there in, capitalism is decreasing in favorability
Speaker 4: and socialism is increasing favorability, and all of these things
Speaker 4: have created an environment where candidates who are can speak
Speaker 4: with authenticity and passion about how the system is rigged,
Speaker 4: can offer solutions on how to unrig it, both in
Speaker 4: terms of government corruption but also just a very basic
Speaker 4: idea around everyone getting healthcare, better wages, those sorts of things,
Speaker 4: and can name the name the villains, the same villains
Speaker 4: that the people have. You're willing to actually call out
Speaker 4: the corporations special interests of the billionaires you're speaking. You
Speaker 4: may or may not win your primary, but you are
Speaker 4: you have the political win that you're back in this environment.
Speaker 4: And too many Democrats, ically establishment democrats, have struggled to
Speaker 4: do that because it's not natural for a certain wing
Speaker 4: of the party that has been around for a while.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so say more about that because that comes into
Speaker 1: I think the Michigan primary last night. We have a candidate,
Speaker 1: Hailey Stevens, who who was the establishment candidate. She has
Speaker 1: the pretty much the establishment. I think every almost everyone
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 4: Slocked except slacking. Let's just slock on someone who wasn't endorsed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you had Gretchen, you had I don't know
Speaker 1: if Dana Nessel.
Speaker 4: I think the ships Gretchen, Dana Nessel, Gary Peters, and
Speaker 4: Wie Stabana have all endorsed Haley Stevens and.
Speaker 1: A lot of corporations, a lot of big packs. And
Speaker 1: then you have doctor said, who is got Bernie and
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren? And so it's really like, you know, a battle,
Speaker 1: a real ideological battle here. What did you think about last?
Speaker 4: This is a fascinating race, and it's partly a fascinating
Speaker 4: race because there has been no high quality polling of
Speaker 4: this race. No one has any idea who's actually winning.
Speaker 4: There's this one poll from a polster who of a
Speaker 4: sort of spotty reputation that does only live phone calls,
Speaker 4: doesn't do a lot of weight, that showed Hailey Stevens
Speaker 4: up I think by seven or eight points on abdul
Speaker 4: Steed after Mali mcmorro, the third candidate dropped out. But
Speaker 4: no one really has any idea what is happening in
Speaker 4: this race. It's sort of like all of the battles
Speaker 4: within the party have manifested themselves in this race. So
Speaker 4: you have el said is very is against will vote
Speaker 4: against Chuck Schumer, is anti establishment. Hailey Stevens is the
Speaker 4: hand pick candidate of Schumer and the DSCC. The biggest
Speaker 4: issue is probably between them is Israel. Apak is gonna
Speaker 4: end up spending sixty million dollars in this primary alone
Speaker 4: on Hilly Stevens and none of it have actually about Israel,
Speaker 4: but because she is a candidate they want. Abdul has
Speaker 4: been a very aggressive critic of Israel, has called it
Speaker 4: a genocide, wants to end all aid to Israel, has
Speaker 4: called Israel and apartheid. Say so, this is a big
Speaker 4: dividing line there. I watched the debate last night, you
Speaker 4: know all of that was there. We're sort of in
Speaker 4: the final stretch here where watching the debate, it's hard
Speaker 4: to tell who thinks they're winning and who thinks they're losing.
Speaker 4: But it seems like they both think the race is
Speaker 4: close enough that they're trying to score a few points
Speaker 4: here and there and not take wild swings. The other
Speaker 4: part of this race that really is is that you
Speaker 4: have these all these super packs and a lot of
Speaker 4: corporations supporting Haley Stevens. That is a big Abdul does
Speaker 4: not take corporate pac money, although he does have super packs,
Speaker 4: but their labor superpacks supporting him, and so the influence
Speaker 4: of corporations corporate money is a big part of this
Speaker 4: race too. And then all over top of it is
Speaker 4: this unanswerable question about electability. It is the very strong
Speaker 4: belief of a lot of the establishment that Hailey Stevens
Speaker 4: is much more electable than Abdul, and that if we
Speaker 4: were to not if the people Michigan were to nominate Abdul,
Speaker 4: then we would make it less likely, not impossible, but
Speaker 4: less likely that Democrats would win Michigan. If we don't
Speaker 4: win Michigan or not, it's hard to get to send
Speaker 4: a majority without Michigan. You know, whether that a right
Speaker 4: or not is a question you can debate. But it's
Speaker 4: like a truly fascinating race. I think we're going to
Speaker 4: get a pulled maybe as soon as today. In this race,
Speaker 4: they'll maybe tell us a little bit more. But it's
Speaker 4: everything that everyone's in finding about in the party on
Speaker 4: Twitter since twenty twenty four is happening in Michigan.
Speaker 1: For a long time, I thought she was such a
Speaker 1: bad speaker that it would be his to get because
Speaker 1: but she seems like she's gotten a little better.
Speaker 4: She has, she absolutely has. I think she is a
Speaker 4: has come into her own as a candidate. In the
Speaker 4: final stretch here, she was a She does very Up
Speaker 4: until the recent party here, she did very few events, basically,
Speaker 4: like very few town halls. Abdullah is everywhere all the
Speaker 4: time on social media in events. I think he said
Speaker 4: last night they di done four hundred some events across
Speaker 4: Michigan town halls where he's taking questions. She's had a
Speaker 4: much more cautious engage strategy of engagement with the voters
Speaker 4: and the media. But she's definitely sort of There was
Speaker 4: a clip that went viral of her that a lot
Speaker 4: of people left really made fun of about her, like
Speaker 4: a very aggressive Michigan accent saying talking about give him
Speaker 4: some sticket to them or whatever it was. She leaned
Speaker 4: into that and I think a way that was effective.
Speaker 4: The question here really is in Michigan, you have one
Speaker 4: in five in typical Michigan primary, one in five Democratic
Speaker 4: primary voters is black, when well over half are going
Speaker 4: to be women, and so the strategy from the pro
Speaker 4: Hailey Stephens side is to win on women and black voters.
Speaker 4: They've done this through two ways. One is they've run
Speaker 4: the APAC super Pac has run a lot of ads
Speaker 4: saying calling Abdul a misogynist, saying he's toxic women, sort
Speaker 4: of trying to play a little bit on the like
Speaker 4: this to swim in the wake of bank platinirm. And
Speaker 4: then the other thing is black voters. They have run there.
Speaker 4: If you can't turn on a TV in Michigan without
Speaker 4: seeing a clip of Barack Obama in twenty eighteen campaigning
Speaker 4: for Haley Stevens complimenting her for having worked the work
Speaker 4: she had done on the Auto Task Force when she
Speaker 4: worked in the Obama administration, and that has been that
Speaker 4: clip is not dated in any of these of you know, Angeliy,
Speaker 4: hear a lot of voters saying they think Obama has
Speaker 4: endorsed here, which he hasn't. He is not, He has
Speaker 4: not endorsed any candidate in his race. And so how
Speaker 4: effected that'll be, what the turnout will look like in
Speaker 4: Wayne County is all going to determine what's happened here.
Speaker 4: But it's fascinating and Honestly, this election can't come soon
Speaker 4: enough because I'd like this fight to end.
Speaker 1: When she FORFM, what percentage of voters in Michigan are Muslim, You.
Speaker 4: Know, I should know that off the top of my head,
Speaker 4: but it is the highest percentage of any state in
Speaker 4: the country. Early voting is not always a great predictor.
Speaker 4: Michigan had early vote by mail and then they have
Speaker 4: they had started in person a couple of days ago
Speaker 4: in Dearborn County, which is where the sort of the
Speaker 4: nexus of that population is. Turnout has been quite high. Now,
Speaker 4: sometimes when there's a lot of enthusiasm, you cannibalize your
Speaker 4: election day vote with your early vote. So it's it's hard.
Speaker 4: It's hard to say but that this is what is
Speaker 4: kind of what makes us race so fascinates because it
Speaker 4: is this big giant debate over Israel with a candidate
Speaker 4: being largely bankrolled by an Apex super pac with the
Speaker 4: as the as the hand pick Canada of the Senate
Speaker 4: leadership in the state with the largest Muslim population that
Speaker 4: was the birthplace of the uncommitted movement against Joe Biden,
Speaker 4: and then Kamala Harris, right.
Speaker 1: I mean this is rough, Like you know, and the
Speaker 1: big question I think in my mind, what I care
Speaker 1: about is will whoever wins be able to get the
Speaker 1: voters of the other person.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going to be a really interesting question. This
Speaker 4: goes the electability Like this, The electability argument is Haley
Speaker 4: Stephen slips a Republican district. That is absolutely true in
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen. Since then, she's basically performed critically twenty four
Speaker 4: as a generic Democrat like no, good, fine, this is
Speaker 4: a fifty to fifty state that should be three to
Speaker 4: four to five points more democratic if the national environment
Speaker 4: states the way it is, you know, and that she
Speaker 4: would be functions essentially a generic Democrat who like who
Speaker 4: seems very Michigan in a state where the majority of
Speaker 4: the electorate in general election are women like you know.
Speaker 4: And that's a good argument that Abdul has these weaknesses
Speaker 4: because he is endorsed by Bernie, endorsed by AOC, is
Speaker 4: seen as the lefty candidate, is you know, has you
Speaker 4: know had There are some comments about defunding the police
Speaker 4: from twenty twenty that he has walked back, but that
Speaker 4: that exists, that he has more vulnerabilities now. The counter
Speaker 4: argument I think is he's very very talented. She's talented too,
Speaker 4: but it's in a different way. But he is, like
Speaker 4: he is very deft as a communicatus, and that can
Speaker 4: help you navigate some of these things.
Speaker 1: It's really good. I mean, he's really good at speaking. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I think she's gotten better.
Speaker 4: But she has definitely gotten better. She's definitely gotten better,
Speaker 4: for sure. But you can just see he's someone who
Speaker 4: could go everywhere all the time, do all the hard interviews,
Speaker 4: take all the questions. She may be able to do
Speaker 4: that too, she is not shown a willingness to do
Speaker 4: that thus far. I think one question is you know
Speaker 4: you asked the big questions. Can you unite after this? Yeah,
Speaker 4: it might be easier, some would argue, And I think
Speaker 4: someone Ubdul said it for Hailey Stephens supporters to come
Speaker 4: to Abdul right then the other way because of how
Speaker 4: young voters in particular, not just Muslim but all young
Speaker 4: voters in Michigan feel about Israel and getting them to
Speaker 4: turn out support a candidate that Apax spent fifty to
Speaker 4: sixty million dollars to support is could be a tole
Speaker 4: order business. So I think people will you know, everyone
Speaker 4: will recognize, you know, there's always a rough period aphte
Speaker 4: the primaries, people do tend to come together. That tends
Speaker 4: to have in particularly in it when they party has
Speaker 4: the other party has the White House and the Senate
Speaker 4: and the House. But that is a big question, and
Speaker 4: both the winner and the loser of this thing are
Speaker 4: going to have to be very gracious in how they
Speaker 4: in how they build rebuild the coalitions gonna take to win.
Speaker 1: Ken Martin had a tough news cycle A chair what
Speaker 1: do you think is happening? I mean, it strikes me
Speaker 1: there are a couple of places I'm actually going to
Speaker 1: ask a sort of broader question, a couple of places
Speaker 1: here where, like Ken Martin and also in Montagne, we
Speaker 1: have an independent who could win if the Democratic candidate
Speaker 1: dropped out or at least the polls showed the possibility
Speaker 1: that he could win. And I just wonder they are
Speaker 1: a couple of plays there where it feels like were
Speaker 1: they're a really good leader in the party, someone could
Speaker 1: call that woman and be like, look you got to
Speaker 1: drop out, or stated Ken Martin, you're not raising money,
Speaker 1: you can't do media like what are you doing? Like
Speaker 1: I think about Republicans and if they had something like this,
Speaker 1: they would be all over that person. So what do
Speaker 1: you think.
Speaker 4: There's a couple things happen here, Like historically Republicans pre
Speaker 4: Trump were very bad at this. This is why they
Speaker 4: blew the Senate races in ten and twelve and twenty two. Honestly,
Speaker 4: even though Trump was around me, I mean Trump, he
Speaker 4: picked all the wrong people. But they had all bad candidates.
Speaker 4: But there is something happening where the voters do not
Speaker 4: trust the Democratic Party leadership and are actually sort of
Speaker 4: negatively polarized by candidates who are support by democraticalership and
Speaker 4: there's no one with the credibility like it is if
Speaker 4: everyone keeps asking like how did Ken Martin end up there?
Speaker 4: And if you're someone who's like like us, who's been
Speaker 4: very well the politics for the last decade, you're very
Speaker 4: familiar with Ben Wickler who was the former Wisconsin Party
Speaker 4: Cherry ran against them, and Ben had the support of Schumer, Jeffries,
Speaker 4: basically everyone, and that was actually ended up being a
Speaker 4: state party chair a negative yeah yeah, and up being
Speaker 4: a negative for him. And you have the same thing Herry,
Speaker 4: it's happening like they're really we are sort of an
Speaker 4: old lord of a flies moment for the party, whatever
Speaker 4: else you think about Ken Martin and I supported Ben.
Speaker 4: I called for Ken to resign after the autopsy. He's
Speaker 4: doing the best he can. But I think the well
Speaker 4: has now become so poison that you can't look at
Speaker 4: and say the best thing for the party is to
Speaker 4: maintain the status quo.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: We can debate howping a disaster is if we don't,
Speaker 4: But if you were maximizing your chances of winning now
Speaker 4: and beyond, someone would go to him and say, now,
Speaker 4: the best thing you can do for the party is
Speaker 4: to step down. Please step down, and will replace someone.
Speaker 4: It's not an easy do that. But then you mentioned
Speaker 4: Montana in Michigan. In the seventh district of Michigan, which
Speaker 4: is Alissa slockins old seat. We lost it in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four when she ran for Senate. It's a very
Speaker 4: close race. There are three candidates in that race. One
Speaker 4: is Joe Biden's ambassador to Ukraine, Bridget Brink. Another is
Speaker 4: Matt Masden, who carried the nuclear football for Obama. Is
Speaker 4: a veteran right right yeah. And the third one is
Speaker 4: a progressive supported by Bernie. I haven't studied enough to
Speaker 4: know to really be able to validate these claims. But
Speaker 4: a lot of people believe that the Progressive is the
Speaker 4: least likely to win that race. The two like more moderate,
Speaker 4: you know, credentialed candidates both stayed in the race, and
Speaker 4: they're going to split the vote. And Lawrence is likely
Speaker 4: by according to some internal polling that I've read about,
Speaker 4: but not seen, going to win by a lot. And
Speaker 4: so in a different world, someone would have had the
Speaker 4: credibility to go to one of the other two candidates
Speaker 4: and say, one of you, you know, if we our
Speaker 4: best things to win in the seat, is one of
Speaker 4: you is the nominee. One of you's got to get
Speaker 4: out flip a correct right, right, right, because no one
Speaker 4: has the credibility in the party right now to do that,
Speaker 4: and not just with voters, but even with other Democratic politicians.
Speaker 4: And you're going to see this be a real issue
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty eight when there's no one's going to
Speaker 4: be able to like ride her and over the process. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, it's so crazy, right, and that we'll see
Speaker 1: that in twenty twenty eight. Dan Pfeiffer, thank you.
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Eli tan is a reporter covering the technology industry for
Speaker 1: The New York Times. Welcome, Welcome, Eli, Thanks much for
Speaker 1: having me. We're having you on to talk about this
Speaker 1: data center in Louisiana, but I want you to tell
Speaker 1: us about this first data center story you wrote two
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 6: Yeah, two years ago, I saw this on Facebook actually,
Speaker 6: that there was a town that was fighting against a
Speaker 6: data center. The town was a Peculiar, Missouri south of
Speaker 6: Kansas City, and it was like the first instance I
Speaker 6: had seen of this. So I went to the town,
Speaker 6: wrote this big story about it. You know, they were
Speaker 6: some of the first people to print out these signs
Speaker 6: that said no data centers and stick them in their
Speaker 6: yard and kind of stage this big, you know, revolt
Speaker 6: against this project. At the time, I thought, this is interesting,
Speaker 6: these data centers are becoming a thing. And past forward
Speaker 6: two years now this is like a huge issue ahead
Speaker 6: of the midterms. It's like every state is fighting about
Speaker 6: this stuff. So it's been pretty crazy to just to
Speaker 6: see how it's all developed. Did they win, Yeah, they
Speaker 6: did win. They fought back against this data center. And
Speaker 6: after my story came out, actually they ousted the mayor
Speaker 6: and they ousked the city administrator and they kind of
Speaker 6: they all the people that were the leaders of this
Speaker 6: charge to stop the data centers. They like promoted them
Speaker 6: to leadership positions in the town. So it's like reshaped
Speaker 6: this town in a lot of ways. But they're doing well.
Speaker 6: I still talk to those people every once in a while.
Speaker 1: Actually, that's really cute. So let's talk about Meta's giant
Speaker 1: data center in Louisiana. There's so much here, but I
Speaker 1: think this secrecy is the thing I'm the most interested in.
Speaker 1: First of all, I would love you to also explain
Speaker 1: like how many data centers Meta needs, and a little
Speaker 1: bit about sort of Meta's data center relationship to.
Speaker 6: Yeah, right now, Meta is building about a dozen of
Speaker 6: these huge hyper scale data centers to power AI. Each
Speaker 6: of these data centers is billions and billions of dollars.
Speaker 6: The one in Louisiana is its largest. It's going to
Speaker 6: be you know, fifty billion dollars. It'll have like over
Speaker 6: one hundred billion dollars of you know, these Nvidia chips
Speaker 6: in it. And yeah, they need you know, the company
Speaker 6: needs these to train AI. And it makes sense to
Speaker 6: build massive ones in specific places as opposed to you know,
Speaker 6: hundreds of smaller ones all across the country.
Speaker 1: First of all, where would be, how big will it be,
Speaker 1: and what is the effect it don't have on the neighborhood.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So it'll be in this parish called Richland Parish
Speaker 6: in Louisiana. It's in the corner of the state. It's
Speaker 6: kind of this poor rural farming community. Comparison that everyone
Speaker 6: makes is Manhattan. Mark Zuckerberg, he gave Donald Trump a
Speaker 6: photo of the data center, you know, kind of imposed
Speaker 6: over Manhattan. We didn't say that in the story because
Speaker 6: it's not quite as big as Manhattan. It's about like
Speaker 6: the top of Central Park to the Financial district you're
Speaker 6: familiar with, you know, New York. But it's huge. I
Speaker 6: mean I went there in person and it's like it's
Speaker 6: like six miles long, a mile wide. It's like its
Speaker 6: own city. I mean, you know, I did a tour
Speaker 6: on a you know, on a truck kind of driving
Speaker 6: around and it's it's huge. It is. It's like it's
Speaker 6: it is kind of like being in a you know,
Speaker 6: a Manhattan sized construction site.
Speaker 1: Will this sort of all of the AI needs of Facebook?
Speaker 1: I mean, what will it work for Facebook? Instagram? I mean,
Speaker 1: what's it doing?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it'll be Facebook Instagram Meta has these new AI
Speaker 6: models that it's coming out with. But you know, when
Speaker 6: you're in Instagram or Facebook and you're asking, you know,
Speaker 6: the AI chatbot they have any questions, That's the type
Speaker 6: of thing it's it's going towards.
Speaker 1: So is this happening and what will mean for the
Speaker 1: area surrounding it.
Speaker 6: So it's completely remaking the area just on the construction alone.
Speaker 6: I mean, they're going to have seven thousand construction workers
Speaker 6: in this tiny parish. The parish is something like twenty
Speaker 6: thousand people. This is one of the poorest parts of
Speaker 6: the entire country and you have, you know, one of
Speaker 6: the richest companies basically coming in and totally remaking it.
Speaker 6: The thing about the project is that there's no sales
Speaker 6: tax on the hundreds of billions of chips. They're not
Speaker 6: really paying property taxes.
Speaker 1: Wait, why aren't they playing property taxes?
Speaker 6: That was part of Meta's deal if they were going
Speaker 6: to come to Louisiana, they didn't want to pay certain taxes.
Speaker 6: So the way it benefits the area is that there's
Speaker 6: these sales tax from thousands and thousands of people that
Speaker 6: are coming in and spending money and you know, buying
Speaker 6: equipment and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 6: That's the main one. We're talking tens of millions of
Speaker 6: dollars in sales tax every year. It's not nothing, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you're like a poor you're paying more
Speaker 1: property tax than metas.
Speaker 6: In some cases. Yeah, I think it's I think that's
Speaker 6: probably true to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what about the electricity and the water.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the electricity is the big one. This company called
Speaker 6: Entergy Louisiana, the largest in the state. They're building for
Speaker 6: Meta ten new natural gas turbines, so it's enough to
Speaker 6: power New Orleans like six or seven times over or
Speaker 6: something like that. The incredible amount of natural gas.
Speaker 1: And natural gas turbines are super polluting. They're not like
Speaker 1: a solar turbines or polluters.
Speaker 6: They are polluters. But the governor of Louisiana he actually
Speaker 6: declared natural gas or renewable energy before the project. He
Speaker 6: like signed something so that it would be considered a
Speaker 6: renewable energy or something like that. Don't have to look
Speaker 6: up the specifics, butt. I mean, that's just like one
Speaker 6: example of all the ways that the government of Louisiana
Speaker 6: has done everything they could to kind of accommodate META.
Speaker 1: What about the water, the water.
Speaker 6: I mean, this is a you know, this is a
Speaker 6: part of the state that has really old infrastructure. So
Speaker 6: Meta has kind of gone in and like paid. They've
Speaker 6: spent actually a billion dollars of their own money to
Speaker 6: just upgrade things like the water tables, waste water, the roads.
Speaker 6: I mean, they just they didn't have roads that could
Speaker 6: handle like NonStop construction. So yeah, I Meta spent you know,
Speaker 6: its own money to basically pay for all the stuff
Speaker 6: the water included.
Speaker 1: When this thing is done, it's not going to have
Speaker 1: a lot of people from Louisiana working in it, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not super clear. These projects. They hire these
Speaker 6: really specialized technicians and electricians to work in the data centers.
Speaker 6: But what the state is kind of banking on is that,
Speaker 6: you know, these construction jobs, they're actually like changing the
Speaker 6: curriculum at all the community colleges nearby to train people
Speaker 6: to work on data centers because they think that when
Speaker 6: this project's done, they can just go build another project
Speaker 6: and they'll have this this sort of like economy on
Speaker 6: wheels where there's gonna be like ten thousand people that
Speaker 6: all they do is they work on data centers and
Speaker 6: they go, you know, travel around the state. That's that's
Speaker 6: kind of the governor's vision.
Speaker 1: But won't you only need a finite amount of data centers?
Speaker 6: I mean, we'll see where it's all going. Meta is
Speaker 6: building this one. Amazon is building one in the other
Speaker 6: in the northwest corner of the state, and they're hoping
Speaker 6: that you know, this deal with Meta, they can just
Speaker 6: kind of keep doing it with other projects.
Speaker 1: Explain to us, like, if you're a farmer and you
Speaker 1: live near this data center, how will your life change?
Speaker 6: Well, most of the farmers that live near the data
Speaker 6: center actually sold their land to Meta, right and made
Speaker 6: a killing millions of dollars in a lot of cases.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, so the landowners are getting off great, right,
Speaker 6: It's a story. It's like a lot of people are
Speaker 6: benefiting a lot from the data center. Other people aren't. So,
Speaker 6: you know, if you're a farmer and you're making millions
Speaker 6: of dollars, you own a construction company nearby, you're you know,
Speaker 6: you're selling contracting the Meta. Maybe you own a restaurant nearby,
Speaker 6: Met is buying like hundreds of meals from you every
Speaker 6: every week. But then if you're just a person that
Speaker 6: lives in this parish, there was someone in my story.
Speaker 6: Her name's Tracy Williams. Her rent got raised from two
Speaker 6: hundred dollars to almost fifteen hundred dollars a month. You know,
Speaker 6: so that these construction workers have places to live, It's
Speaker 6: like where do you go? So a lot of them,
Speaker 6: you know, they get displaced, They have to live in
Speaker 6: houses with ten people, you know, living in a three
Speaker 6: bedroom house like I've seen. Maybe they leave the parish altogether.
Speaker 6: So those are the people that are really kind of left,
Speaker 6: you know, wondering what to do.
Speaker 1: So talk us through what you saying. The larger pollution
Speaker 1: matrixes here.
Speaker 6: I mean natural gas turbines I don't think are great
Speaker 6: for the environment compared to you know, solar are other
Speaker 6: renewable energies, but I'm not really up to speed on
Speaker 6: the pollution aspect.
Speaker 1: This will radically reshape the town and the government too
Speaker 1: of the town. The local government is meta trying to
Speaker 1: mess around with the local government or is the local
Speaker 1: government totally bought in? I mean, is this a story
Speaker 1: of a town versus a day data center? Are now?
Speaker 6: In this case, it's really not a story of a
Speaker 6: town versus a data center. And that's because the way
Speaker 6: they did this deal. It was entirely secretive. It was
Speaker 6: with NDAs, it was behind closed doors. Meta just announced
Speaker 6: and the stages announced, Yeah, we've got this deal done.
Speaker 6: We're coming to this parish. There was no opportunity for
Speaker 6: people to you know, get their posters and fight back.
Speaker 6: But for the most part, the people that live in
Speaker 6: this town, I mean, you know, they're a little overwhelmed
Speaker 6: by it, but they're pretty optimistic. They hope that this
Speaker 6: is going to help all their lives. You know, you
Speaker 6: drive through town and it's you know, you have these
Speaker 6: Baptist churches that have the signs that have you know,
Speaker 6: welcome META, and then they have these Bible verses that
Speaker 6: they've put out about opportunity and labor. And you know,
Speaker 6: it wasn't really up to them whether or not this
Speaker 6: project was going to come here, but they're trying to
Speaker 6: make the most of it.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like they're being taken advantage of Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think that the most concerning part of this project
Speaker 6: was that data centers. They're this really controversial thing nowadays.
Speaker 6: A lot of people don't like them. They want to
Speaker 6: have some input into how these things are built and
Speaker 6: the state government and Meta's response to that was okay,
Speaker 6: let's just cut them out of it entirely. Let's just
Speaker 6: do the deal behind their backs. And maybe the deal
Speaker 6: is going to be a great thing for this area.
Speaker 6: Maybe it won't be. But I think that, you know,
Speaker 6: it's a fair question to ask, like, should people that
Speaker 6: actually live there have some kind of input into.
Speaker 1: This, Like is this sort of a new way they're
Speaker 1: going to do it with data centers or is this
Speaker 1: how metas always done it.
Speaker 6: This could be it could be a blueprint for how
Speaker 6: everybody wants to do it. If you look in places
Speaker 6: like Arizona, Michigan, people hate data centers. People don't want
Speaker 6: them at all. They don't want to negotiate the terms.
Speaker 6: They just want them out of there. And it's a
Speaker 6: tough environment. I think if you're one of these tech
Speaker 6: companies to you know, convince people that these things are
Speaker 6: good when they're you know, really setting their ways already
Speaker 6: that they don't want them at all.
Speaker 1: Does it seem like the promise of these data centers
Speaker 1: is possible to deliver or now?
Speaker 6: I think so, Okay, the thing about these data centers
Speaker 6: is that they're just not paying very much tax revenue
Speaker 6: to the places they're going like relative to how expensive
Speaker 6: they are. And you know, you'd think that the state
Speaker 6: could say, Okay, we're gonna just do an open call
Speaker 6: for data centers to come into this huge property we
Speaker 6: have and whoever can give us the best package, like,
Speaker 6: we'll accept them. But it says the opposite. It's like
Speaker 6: these companies say, Okay, unless you're willing to do this
Speaker 6: with just me behind closed doors, we're not even going
Speaker 6: to entertain it. And in some places, like data centers
Speaker 6: have been great, like they're counties in Northern Virginia and
Speaker 6: in Looten County that they have great tax incentives, and
Speaker 6: you know, these data centers are like paying for new
Speaker 6: schools and roads and all this stuff. And then you
Speaker 6: have other places where they're not and they're taking up
Speaker 6: a lot of the energy and raising people's energy bills,
Speaker 6: They're using a lot of water. It's like the real
Speaker 6: story of data centers to me, has been that you
Speaker 6: have these high tech companies going into these really underserved
Speaker 6: parts of the country that have really aging infrastructure, and
Speaker 6: the companies aren't really willing to pay to upgrade that infrastructure.
Speaker 6: But nowadays, like with this data center, it's starting to
Speaker 6: change a little bit where the companies say, Okay, if
Speaker 6: we want to have the energy, we're going to just
Speaker 6: have to get these turbines built ourselves.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the Virginia data centers, because there's
Speaker 1: this thing called Data center Alley where they're using so
Speaker 1: much power that it's causing the power other people's power
Speaker 1: to flicker across the East Coast. Took us through that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is happening in Virginia. I think in a
Speaker 6: lot of the southern United States that people's energy bills
Speaker 6: are going up because the data centers, the way they
Speaker 6: use energy, it's so much of it, the way it
Speaker 6: impacts the great I mean, it's just raising people's rates,
Speaker 6: and it's something that it's become a big problem because
Speaker 6: it's like it's kind of been wrapped into this whole
Speaker 6: affordability narrative where it's like the cost of groceries, the
Speaker 6: cost of eggs, power bills from data centers. It's like
Speaker 6: it's all become kind of one movement.
Speaker 1: Seems like, if you live in a state with a
Speaker 1: lot of data centers, like Virginia, is your power bill
Speaker 1: more expense because of the data centers.
Speaker 6: In some cases, yes, but the energy companies kind of
Speaker 6: dispute that. Honestly, I'm not I'm not super familiar with
Speaker 6: the way that it increases the prices, but it's something
Speaker 6: that there's like a ton of legislation.
Speaker 1: A but it's certainly been reported that it does increase.
Speaker 1: Can you just tell me what these data centers do?
Speaker 1: The Meta one, like, what will do? What is it
Speaker 1: or is it not clear?
Speaker 6: I mean, it's built around these these chips from Nvidia.
Speaker 6: They basically they take the chips and actually build the
Speaker 6: data centers essentially around the chips. So they're like these
Speaker 6: racks of servers and they're all just made to uh,
Speaker 6: you know, accommodate these chips and cool them and power
Speaker 6: them with electricity. And Meta's data centers like there's like
Speaker 6: five buildings and there's like a brain in the middle,
Speaker 6: and yeah, if you go in them, it's based you know,
Speaker 6: it hasn't been built yet, but it's basically just like
Speaker 6: racks and racks of servers.
Speaker 1: That's it. It's just like racks and racks of servers.
Speaker 1: And then eventually there'll be a few people to watch
Speaker 1: those chips.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, this project's big. I mean Meta says that
Speaker 6: there will be as many as a thousand people employed.
Speaker 6: I mean, who knows how many of that's security versus
Speaker 6: electricians or whoever it is. But still, when you think about,
Speaker 6: you know, the size of the fifty billion dollar project,
Speaker 6: a thousand people, it's not all that many.
Speaker 1: It's just such a crazy story. And like, if you're
Speaker 1: a person who wants to not live next to a
Speaker 1: data center, what are the lessons from this data center disaster?
Speaker 1: The lessons like, are there regulations that that governors have?
Speaker 1: I mean, I know in New York State we have
Speaker 1: like a banning of data centers. Are democratic governors doing
Speaker 1: things to prevent stuff like what's happening in Louisiana or
Speaker 1: have you not seen that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely they are. New York has put a temporary
Speaker 6: pause on data centers. Seattle did the same thing. But
Speaker 6: it's really not it's really not the liberal states that
Speaker 6: are getting these investments for the most part. It's going
Speaker 6: to be you know, Republican led governors that are leading
Speaker 6: most of these projects. And I think a lesson that
Speaker 6: I've taken away from this is that you know, if
Speaker 6: you're someone who lives near your data center, it's likely
Speaker 6: that you're not going to know about any of these
Speaker 6: talks if they're happening, and if you ask, you're elected official,
Speaker 6: they might not even be able to tell you because
Speaker 6: they've signed an NDA with the company talking about it.
Speaker 6: But that doesn't necessarily mean that the talks aren't happening
Speaker 6: or that the data center's not going to be built nearby.
Speaker 6: And they are all sorts of blueprints for the ways
Speaker 6: that people are fighting back, but most of them involve
Speaker 6: like just figuring out what's going on.
Speaker 1: Pretty good case from not having NDAs. Thank you, Thank you, Eli,
Speaker 1: thanks for so much for me on.
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