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Speaker 1: and why can't it stop? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace?

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Speaker 1: of so many joining me literally an all star panel. First,

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Speaker 1: I want to introduce to you a very special guest,

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Speaker 1: GYM Piazza, the father of Timothy Piazza, one of the

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Speaker 1: first victims to bring our attention to this national epidemic

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Speaker 1: claiming the lives of teens every day at colleges and universities.

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Speaker 1: He is an anti hazing activist, founding member of the

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Speaker 1: Rex Elliott Folts family lawyer at Cooper and Elliott, co

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Speaker 1: and he's directing us to the Stone Faults go fund me.

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Speaker 1: You can search it at the Stone Faults Memorial Fund

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Speaker 1: to doctor Susan Lipkin's psychologists, hazing expert, author of preventing hazing,

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Speaker 1: Priya Banerjee Board Certified Forensic Pathologist Anchor Forensic Pathology dot

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Speaker 1: that call, so it's something I have to live with

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Speaker 1: the rest of my life. Crime stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: the more I look into it. Every state that has

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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut nineteen is chip Reed CBS.

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Speaker 1: Eric Oakes says his son Adam last texted him I

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Speaker 1: Chi fraternity party. If you knew Adam, all he wanted

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Speaker 1: to do was be one of the guys. Courtney White,

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Speaker 1: to drink an entire bottle of Jack Daniel's whiskey. Around

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Speaker 1: nine am, this young boy, Adam, found facedown unresponded. The

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Speaker 1: fraternity brothers had rolled him over. It said his face

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Speaker 1: cut twenty Dan Harris ABC the horror that played out

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Speaker 1: fueled hazing. The fraternity brothers allegedly did little to help. Instead,

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Speaker 1: their concern was reportedly how to cover it all up.

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Speaker 1: Tonight we hear from the one student who says he

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Speaker 1: That victim was Timothy Piazza, and with me as Tim's father, Sir,

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Speaker 1: when you hear that, I almost hate to play it

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Speaker 1: for you, but somehow I feel it's my duty to

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Speaker 1: warn parents what's happening. Yeah, I mean, look, this is

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Speaker 1: know of so many situations where people were near death

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Speaker 1: terribly sad. We also learn about deaths that happened years

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Speaker 1: ago which no one ever recorded, but we see a

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Speaker 1: never a criminal prosecution. You're right. Listen to this Our

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Speaker 1: cut twenty five. This is Mark Strassman at CBS. Champion

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Speaker 1: died at the hospital from internal bleeding and blunt forced trauma.

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Speaker 1: Sean Johnson testified some fellow band members tried to cover

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Speaker 1: up their role in Champion's death. It kind of amazed

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Speaker 1: people that are telling on things that are happened in

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Speaker 1: the band, and then I'm mad about his death. Pam

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Speaker 1: and Robert Champion Senior, his parents today claimed band members

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Speaker 1: are still involved in a cover up. I can't say

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Speaker 1: what the charge should be. Another young student did. There's

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Speaker 1: so many Listen to this. This is our cut twenty two.

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Speaker 1: David Right at ABC. This victim Colin went. This was

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Speaker 1: the frantic phone call in the early hours of the

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Speaker 1: morning's coming. No one emergency. Hello, I see my friend.

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Speaker 1: Thanks well too much. The caller a friend of Colin

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Speaker 1: Wyant and eighteen year old pledge at Ohio University's Sigma

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Speaker 1: Pi fraternity. Okaye responses, he was and then he laid backs.

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Speaker 1: I passed out. Went was in his freshman year at Ohio,

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Speaker 1: an honors student. He played basketball and sang in the choir.

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Speaker 1: His family devastated. Then our cut twenty three. Maxwell Graver,

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Speaker 1: just eighteen years old at LSU. Listen, this is ABC's

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Speaker 1: GMA this morning. New details and the depth of eighteen

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Speaker 1: year old fraternity pledge Max Gruver. What his life had

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Speaker 1: to end so early? A preliminary autopsy report revealing that Gruver,

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Speaker 1: a freshman who was pledging the Phi Delta Theta fraternity

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Speaker 1: at Louisiana State University, had a highly elevated blood alcohol

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Speaker 1: in his system. Ruver was rushed from Phi Delta Theta's

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Speaker 1: LSU immediately shutting down all Greek activities. Campus police now

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Speaker 1: investigating if hazing played a part in his death. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it did, like it did in all of these cases.

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Speaker 1: I've got a stack of paper of all these young

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Speaker 1: people teens dead from alcohol poisoning due to hazing incidents.

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Speaker 1: To Rex H. Elliot, the Folks family lawyer, and he

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Speaker 1: is directing us to Stone Faults Go fund me search

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Speaker 1: Stone Foults Memorial Fund. Rex Elliott, this has been going

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Speaker 1: on for years and years and years. What are we

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Speaker 1: going to do? Do you have any solution? Well, Nancy

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Speaker 1: and I represent the Wyatt family as well, and in

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Speaker 1: that case, the fraternity members organized after they found out

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Speaker 1: Colin was guiding. They initiated all the pledges and they

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Speaker 1: got their story straight and it's a code of silence.

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Speaker 1: The reality is this, these are eighteen to twenty two

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Speaker 1: year old boys. They don't have judgment and when they

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Speaker 1: organized collectively and they don't have adult supervision and guidance,

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Speaker 1: this is a recipe for disaster. I applaud all of

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Speaker 1: the legislative efforts. I completely agree that there should be

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Speaker 1: criminal prosecutions and civil cases in the whole nine yards.

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Speaker 1: But until universities say, on our campus, one incident in hazing,

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Speaker 1: I don't care if it's somebody walking around with a

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Speaker 1: backpacker running on a lunch run, because guess what those

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Speaker 1: lead to the types of things that we're seeing every

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Speaker 1: day until universities say one more time and you're gone forever.

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Speaker 1: And if that means we eradicate the fraternity system altogether

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Speaker 1: in this country, then so be it. It's twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: one and we shouldn't have one more innocent kid dead

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Speaker 1: on a college campus because of this nonsense. Jay McQuire,

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Speaker 1: with pass, what is your best recommendation, because what's being

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Speaker 1: done now obviously is not working. Yeah, I think banning

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Speaker 1: fraternities is a distraction from what has to happen individual

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Speaker 1: accountability and prosecutions. Universities have been hesitant to actually pull

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Speaker 1: the trigger on enforcing their own rules, and local prosecutors

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Speaker 1: always give a pass to the to the perpetrators, even

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Speaker 1: even in cases that are so clear cut. So you

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Speaker 1: can you can. You can ban fraternities if you like.

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Speaker 1: It's going to keep happening. Um. Young men who get

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Speaker 1: together without supervision under any circumstances are always going to

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Speaker 1: take risks that they shouldn't take. What's different about this

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Speaker 1: situation is the massive over consumption of hard alcohol that

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Speaker 1: has become normalized in this forgetting the culture right now

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Speaker 1: that is relatively new. What I hear you saying, Jay

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Speaker 1: McGuire is basically, boys will be boys, and there's really

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Speaker 1: nothing we can do about. Don't. Actually, I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that at all. I'm saying I'm not saying that at all.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying it's time to start throwing the book at

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Speaker 1: people when they do things that are clearly wrong. That's

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Speaker 1: what needs to happen. The universities and the National Fratorneys

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Speaker 1: are providing the vehicle for these eighteen to twenty two

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Speaker 1: year old kids to over consume alcohol and to behave

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Speaker 1: in ritualistic tendencies like this. That is what's happening. You

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Speaker 1: take away that, or you put a zero tolerance policy

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Speaker 1: in place, and they're gone at some point because they

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Speaker 1: can't behave responsibility responsibly. Eighteen to twenty two year old

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Speaker 1: boys will have a difficult, very difficult time coming together

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Speaker 1: and organizing and and you know, engaging in behavior like

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Speaker 1: this to Justin Bordman and former Special Victims Unit detective

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Speaker 1: earlier is brought out about me too, how it became

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Speaker 1: more okay for sex assault victims to speak out. Why

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Speaker 1: can't there be a hotline for people to call anonymously

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Speaker 1: to say this is happening here, We're being hazed. Help

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Speaker 1: us stop it. There's nothing being done to stop this. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think that Nancy the hotline is a great idea.

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Speaker 1: I think that the reporting and going after the enablers

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Speaker 1: as well of the of this whole drinking culture is

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Speaker 1: very important as well. Doctor Susan Lkins, I think I

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Speaker 1: heard you jumping in. Was that you? Yes, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to tell you. I went to Washington in like two

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Speaker 1: thousand and three trying to get a National Hazing Prevention Act,

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Speaker 1: and I realized as I walked around Congress that most

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Speaker 1: of these people themselves have been in Greek organizations, and

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Speaker 1: their children were currently in the Greek organizations, and it

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Speaker 1: would be very rare that they would vote in any

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Speaker 1: kind of legislation which would get rid of this whole

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Speaker 1: fraternity and sorority system. So you're basically saying to get

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Speaker 1: rid of the whole Greek system, that's your answer, because

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Speaker 1: that's not I would definitely get rid of the whole

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Speaker 1: Greek system. Okay, I understandy Wood and a lot of

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Speaker 1: other victims parents feel the same way. But I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to tackle this in a way that I think it's achievable.

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Speaker 1: To Jim Piazza, I really believe a hotline solution no tolerance,

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Speaker 1: And to me, no tolerance means once it happens, you're

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Speaker 1: booted permanently from campus. I think it should be part

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Speaker 1: of every freshman's let me just say, entrance into college,

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Speaker 1: their orientation, that they are given a class on this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of things that can

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Speaker 1: be done that are not being done. Help me, Jim

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Speaker 1: so Nancy, there are hotlines in certain schools. We've been

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Speaker 1: lobbying for that. We absolutely need zero tolerance in the universities.

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Speaker 1: They need to say one and done, you're out, get

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Speaker 1: rid of them. Also, in the state legislation that we're

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Speaker 1: pedaling around the country, if the national fraternity or the

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Speaker 1: alumni that are overseeing a particular local chapter know about

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Speaker 1: any hazing that's going on, they can be held criminally,

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Speaker 1: criminally liable and under a felony law. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's important because if we start seeing some of those

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Speaker 1: organizations held under a felony law as well as the

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Speaker 1: individuals being held accountable, we will see movements. It's not

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Speaker 1: plausible I should be saying get rid of the Greek

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Speaker 1: system of their ground. I've seen so many instances of

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Speaker 1: organizations going underground because they were pulled their letters. So

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Speaker 1: that'll just continue, They'll reform for something else. We need.

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Speaker 1: We need some people that we could show went to

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Speaker 1: jail for a significant period of time for committing these crimes.

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Speaker 1: Would happen to Robert Champion is the most egregious thing.

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Speaker 1: He was beat to death. In any other environment, that's murder.

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Speaker 1: Why wasn't it murdered with Robert Champion? I mean, I

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Speaker 1: just don't understand. We wait as justice unfolds. God willing

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime story signing off, goodbye friend,