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Speaker 1: issues at trial. The jury has spoken. This is about

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Speaker 1: at the case of the State of Georgia versus Justin

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Speaker 1: Ross Harris. Place your left hand on the bay of

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Speaker 1: I you solemnly swear the jury trying it. Defendant not

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Speaker 1: The first thing in a jury foleis jury selection. We've

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Speaker 1: to the Ross Harris hot car death case. A complicated,

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Speaker 1: justin Ross Harris, Cooper's father, was charged with murder. Media

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Speaker 1: was alleged to be Mr Harris's double life, namely his

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Speaker 1: M On October sixteen, the opening statements began for the

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Speaker 1: what it means. In January, Maddox Kilgore filed a motion

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Speaker 1: for new trial. After that, new appellate council was appointed

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Speaker 1: potential error so that there could be an appeal. Until then,

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Speaker 1: Ross Harris remains behind bars in Valdosta State Prison, sentenced

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Speaker 1: to life without parole for the murder of his twenty

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Speaker 1: two month old son Cooper Harris may he rest in peace.

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