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Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm Alie and I'm Rachel, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: The Bachelor Happy Hour. Alie, it feels so good to

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Speaker 1: be back and to say that again, Yes, welcome Rachel.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited you're back. I know you're in New

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Speaker 1: York right now doing press for your new show. I

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Speaker 1: was listening, I was tuning in. You did a fantastic job. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you. That's very sweet. And Crystal came on. She

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Speaker 1: was my guest host once and she was awesome. So

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Speaker 1: thank you to Crystal. But I am so so happy

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Speaker 1: to have you back. Rachel. Tell us all about your wedding. Hell.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, it was amazing. I don't even know

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Speaker 1: where to begin. It was such a whirlwind. I have

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Speaker 1: to say it was beautiful. It was everything that I wanted.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted there to be a lot of love,

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun, and everyone to just celebrate. You know,

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Speaker 1: this unity between Brian and I'm off camera, which was

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Speaker 1: which was very very nice. Everybody had a good time.

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Speaker 1: My main concern was people just needed to have fun.

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Speaker 1: I wanted them to dance the night away, drink the

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Speaker 1: night away, you know, make new friends and relationships. I

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Speaker 1: actually think there might have been some couples that hooked

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Speaker 1: up at the wedding. Connections. Yeah, I really think there

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Speaker 1: might have been some love connections at the wedding. But

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Speaker 1: it was a fantastic time. People were still talking about

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Speaker 1: it a week later and that saw Brian and I

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Speaker 1: wanted you could feel the love. Oh, I love that

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Speaker 1: so much. And it looked I know you wanted it

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Speaker 1: to be just like a massive party. And I saw

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Speaker 1: your Instagram like the next morning Instagram stories, it looked

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Speaker 1: like it was a party. Yeah, my weave was out,

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Speaker 1: the liquor was still there in the bedroom. We had

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Speaker 1: a good time. I mean, people jumped in the pool

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Speaker 1: because the wedding was hot. There's there's no denying that.

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Speaker 1: August Mexico. It was hot. But it was fun and

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Speaker 1: the energy was good and it was all great vibes.

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Speaker 1: And I'm really really happy with everything. And I have

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Speaker 1: to give a shout out to my wedding planner because

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Speaker 1: he did that. I had no vision. I just kept saying, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I just want people to have fun. I just want

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Speaker 1: come to life and it was amazing. So what was

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Speaker 1: your favorite part, you know, tell me. You know, you

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Speaker 1: know you said that you were you guys were writing

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Speaker 1: your own vows. How did that go? It went really well.

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Speaker 1: We wrote our vows early. I was actually proud of us.

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Speaker 1: I did it a week before the actual wedding day.

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Speaker 1: And funny story, Brian was very big on He wanted

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Speaker 1: our vows to be in this beautiful booklet in us

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Speaker 1: vows from his brother's phone and he was so upset.

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Speaker 1: But I was like, people didn't notice. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: And that's why I really wanted to write our own vows.

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Speaker 1: The only tears were from Brian's mom. She was very emotional,

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Speaker 1: But I think I was just so excited. There was

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Speaker 1: so glad that you guys had such a good time

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Speaker 1: at the wedding and the honeymoon. How was that your guys?

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Speaker 1: Photos looked unreal? The honeymoon was better than I even imagined.

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Speaker 1: And Greece was stunning. It was everything that I wanted

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Speaker 1: It's funny that you mentioned not being as young as

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Speaker 1: of Rachel. We're not there yet. I did party in Mikado,

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Speaker 1: how does it feel, missus Appa solo feels good? I

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Speaker 1: and I said, you know, it's still big Rache, right

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Speaker 1: And he said, oh, I didn't know if things changed

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Speaker 1: will always and forever be big Rache. That's not going

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Speaker 1: to change. So a lot hasn't changed, but it is

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Speaker 1: still a beautiful thing that now I'm a missus. Brian's

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Speaker 1: wearing a ring, you know, just calling each other husband

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Speaker 1: So I'm so happy for you guys. And you're right

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Speaker 1: I keep saying Brian instead of husband. I know, I do, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you guys will be reunited soon. Um well, Rachel, thank

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Speaker 1: I have. We have a lot of photos to share.

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Speaker 1: We were big on not putting things on social media.

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Speaker 1: it happily if we're after I'm really rooting for Kaylin

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Speaker 1: and Dean and he's on the show today. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: So don't go anywhere, guys. We have Dean coming up next. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: we are back, and I am so excited. Rachel, I

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Speaker 1: Hi guys, thanks for having me. I like very awkwardly

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Speaker 1: So Here's the thing with the mustache is I can't

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Speaker 1: And I appreciate the kind of words, Rachel, but I

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Speaker 1: what's truly going on, because editing is a powerful force.

426
00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,440
Speaker 1: You put a scene of somebody and put Lovey Dove

427
00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,320
Speaker 1: music behind it, and they could be a complete ahole,

428
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,680
Speaker 1: but with that loveywe music, they seem like a good

429
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,400
Speaker 1: person because the loveyw music is playing, and vice versa

430
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,200
Speaker 1: same way. And maybe that's why I have a different take,

431
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,919
Speaker 1: because I feel like what you saw of me was

432
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:58,360
Speaker 1: who I am, and so maybe that's why maybe I'm

433
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 1: a little bit hard sure, I mean, at the end

434
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:02,679
Speaker 1: of the day, At the end of the day, of course,

435
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 1: they could only air and show things that you say

436
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 1: and do, right, So whatever they air, you've done, but

437
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,120
Speaker 1: maybe they didn't have. Maybe you just had the ability

438
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 1: to show more of your I guess range emotionally, intellectually, etc.

439
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,119
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I haven't really put much

440
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,400
Speaker 1: thought into it. But so well, and let me tell

441
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 1: you where what my basis comes from. Let's talk about that.

442
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 1: So one side. So we did see something with Kaylin,

443
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 1: and we saw something on social media with Kaylin. And

444
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,440
Speaker 1: before just to give you some background on our podcast,

445
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 1: before Blake released the tweets, Ali and I had podcasted

446
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,439
Speaker 1: and I kept saying that I had issues with Kaylin.

447
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 1: I said, something doesn't add up to me, something doesn't

448
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 1: make sense. And then Blake released the text messages, which

449
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 1: I don't agree with, but he did it, and we

450
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 1: saw them and they're they're so, this is a girl

451
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 1: that you're interested in and you're watching her say one

452
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 1: thing on TV and then you're seeing something else shown

453
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 1: on social media. What was your initial reaction to the

454
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:21,479
Speaker 1: text messages? Yeah, you knew about the text messages before

455
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 1: Blake released them to the world, right, Yeah, I mean

456
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: I discussed with Blake before he did it and encouraged

457
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 1: him that it was a bad idea. So what did

458
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 1: you think about the text messages when you saw them

459
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 1: versus what he was telling people on TV. I think

460
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 1: that it's easy to pick and curate a certain small

461
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 1: portion of a conversation to define the narrative that you

462
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 1: wanted to find. I'm not saying that Kaitlin's innocent in

463
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 1: all this. I never said I'd never said that. I've

464
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 1: been pretty critical of her actions obviously for those types

465
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 1: of like she was over dramatic right on the first

466
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 1: couple episodes of About and Paradise with the whole Blake situation.

467
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 1: And she knows that obviously, Like her and I have

468
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 1: had a lot of like private conversations with each other.

469
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: Like that's a big thing with her, is she's you know,

470
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: she's been in the pageant world for so long. She

471
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: needs to try and put on like this brave face

472
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 1: and like pretend like everything's okay. And I'm constantly trying

473
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 1: to remind her, like, look, you can be open and

474
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 1: honest with me, like be vulnerable with me. Tell me

475
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 1: all these things, like show me all your skeletons in

476
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 1: your closet, right, I want to see them. I'd rather

477
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: hear it from you than hear it from someone else.

478
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 1: So well, before Blake shared these text messages, I was

479
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:28,239
Speaker 1: obviously well aware of the situation. So you talk to

480
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 1: him before he released them? Yeah, I was made aware

481
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 1: that he was planning on releasing them. He was planning

482
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: on releasing them for a while as far as I know,

483
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: And I was like, look, man, I know this sucks.

484
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: Like your situation is brutal right now. People are like

485
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 1: giving you a lot of shit online about this that's

486
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 1: going on right now. There's just better ways for you

487
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: to handle the situation, to like to plead your case

488
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: than to post private text messages on your social media.

489
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,880
Speaker 1: I get it. Like, yes, it absolves you, it makes

490
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: you appear more innocent in the situation, but it just

491
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: is like a tacky thing to do. In my opinion,

492
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,719
Speaker 1: you don't share private text messages. And you know, he

493
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 1: decided to do it anyway obviously, and I come to

494
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: find out, like a lot of his friends, his PRS management,

495
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 1: all of these people are telling him not to do

496
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 1: it at all. And you know, I don't think Like's

497
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: a bad guy. I think that he obviously wanted to

498
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 1: like prove he was a little bit more innocent than

499
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 1: he was being made out to be. But again, like

500
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 1: I said, Caitlin's innocent and all of it either like

501
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: she made a lot of bad decisions. She is obviously

502
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: we're all human, you know, But there was never any

503
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: like deceit involved on my end. If that's a t're asking, No,

504
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: Oh you mean you didn't think she was deceitful? Is

505
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: that what you're saying towards me? Oh? Yeah, I wasn't

506
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 1: asking about you. I just I just was curious, as

507
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 1: you know, someone that you're starting a new relationship with

508
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: and you're building you know, trust or trying to build

509
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 1: a foundation and all of that, and then all of

510
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: this comes out. Did it make you question the type

511
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: of person that she is? Oh? Hell yeah, well especially

512
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: me too, always keep people out in arms length. And

513
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: then so it's like, you know, I went back to

514
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: the beach to add should be my girlfriend before like

515
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: I had a versions of this. I spent time on

516
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: the beach with Blake and her. They squashed everything, Everything

517
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: was fun by the time I had gotten there. But

518
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: that's like I made this promise to this person that

519
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: I want to be in a relationship with them, and

520
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: then all this stuff comes out and it's it's challenging,

521
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: but I think just at the end of the it's communication, right,

522
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: Like that's what I was telling I was like, just

523
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: be open and honest with me about everything, so that way,

524
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: when I hear it from you, it's gonna not feel

525
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: bad at all versus hearing it from someone in the

526
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: news or something like that, you know what I mean.

527
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: And there were like speed bumps and there were setbacks

528
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but at the end of day,

529
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 1: it's just like stuff they have to work through, and like,

530
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying my hardest. I've never really been the best

531
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: at relationships before, so I'm like I'm really like hunker

532
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: like like hunkering down and being like, all right, well,

533
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna figure this shit out and hopefully come out

534
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: the other side stronger. Okay, Dean, I'm not going to

535
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 1: let you off the hook just yet. Ali and I

536
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: have so many more things to talk to you about,

537
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 1: but we're going to take a super quick break and

538
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: then we'll get back to this in just a minute.

539
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, guys, welcome back, Dean. I feel like

540
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: this has been like intense so far. That's fine, I

541
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: get it. I know exactly what happened question. I just

542
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: want to say, like, Hotsie in a good way, Like

543
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: I like seeing yours and Dean's relationship, like you know

544
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: from you guys being on the Bachelorette together and like

545
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: seeing you guys chat like, I feel like it's like

546
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 1: you can get really in there. But I'm as excited

547
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,959
Speaker 1: to talk to Dean because I know that he's going

548
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: to keep it real and he's going to be honest

549
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: about it and he's not going to be offended by

550
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: anything I say. He's just going to be like, Oh,

551
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: that's just Rachel, She's just asking a question. So I'm

552
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: really too easy on me. Sometimes I feel like, oh,

553
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: let me, let me, let me crack my knuckles and

554
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: get that. Yeah, don't tell her that because it's coming

555
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: in hot. Well, let's let's go back. I guess a

556
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: little bit for a second, because I want to get

557
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: all of the story. Um, let's let's talk about you

558
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: leaving Kaylin in the first place. So you were there,

559
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: you guys were together, you had a really great relationship,

560
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: as it seemed to all of us, you had some questions,

561
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: and you left. First, why did you leave? And too,

562
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: why did you leave on her birthday? I knew that

563
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: question it was gonna come. I can't help it when

564
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: her birthday is. Couldn't you just have like waited till

565
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: the next day? No, I couldn't have. Why And it

566
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: was like, do I do it then? Or do I

567
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: wait another week and a half while this girl continues

568
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: to like build feelings and emotions for me, and then

569
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: do it then and make it fifty times worse. So

570
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: it was to this point, and I think I mentioned

571
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: too that you know she was interested in Connor. I

572
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: knew Connor was coming down to the beach eventually. I

573
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: knew that if I was there on the beach with

574
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 1: her and Connor, who she had expressed interest in, I

575
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: would be kind of not getting in the way, but

576
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: it would not allow her to fully explore a relationship

577
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: that she was very excited about initially. So I was like,

578
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not gonna be here. I'm not

579
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: gonna be your boyfriend. She's not gonna be my girlfriend.

580
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna leave and allow her to explore a

581
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: relationship with someone else that I know she's interested in.

582
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: That's a really nice thing to do. I thought it

583
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: was nice too. The birthday thing made it a little trickier,

584
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: so you didn't really know right until her birthday, Like

585
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: you were undecided up until that point. So the morning

586
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: of the rose ceremony that I broke up with her at,

587
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, everything was fine. I didn't really

588
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: question it because, like I said, I was overly communicating

589
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: my thoughts the entire time, so I thought everyone was

590
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: on the same page. And then I had a conversation

591
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: with one of my buddies because, like I said, we

592
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: were all open about it, and eventually we came to

593
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: the conclusion that it was like, if I don't do

594
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: it now, it's just gonna suck. Every day that I wait,

595
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna suck even more. It just sucked that her

596
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: birthday obviously fell on the same day that it made

597
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: sense for me to do it on. I wanted to

598
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: give her the rose so she could continue to stay

599
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: on the beach and explore that, and I guess I

600
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: could have waited till the morning, but it just didn't

601
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: work out that way. So that's why I mean, if

602
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: you would have done it the next day, they would

603
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: have been like, oh my god, her birthday was just yesterday.

604
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: It was just a bad situation. You know anything, I

605
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: should be piste off at her parents for having her

606
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: at that time of year. Why didn't I have her

607
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: in like April or something. Wow, she's a Gemini, I

608
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: think so. Yeah. Okay, okay, classic Taurus. So one thing

609
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: I actually want to touch based on that you said

610
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: earlier in the podcast when we talked about you in

611
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: the last season, and you like, I wrote it down

612
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: because I thought it was interesting you said you had

613
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: an inability to make a proper decision when you're referring

614
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,479
Speaker 1: to like Christina. I'm assuming, but do you think it

615
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: was that or do you also think that Christina just

616
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: wasn't the right girl for you? Because I've referred to you,

617
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: and don't let this go to your head, but I've

618
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: referred to you on my blog as like the George

619
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: Clooney of the Bachelor. But this is why. This is why,

620
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: and the reason I think that is because you're like

621
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: the notorious Bachelor, right, Like notorious Bachelor, he's never going

622
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: to settle down. You know, he's going to be single

623
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: for his whole life. He's a wanderer, he lives, you know,

624
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: George Clooney kind of flies a pipate jet everywhere you're

625
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: in your van, same thing, but it took all it

626
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: took was a mall. Once he met a wall them

627
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: all Everybody's like, it's not that he didn't want to

628
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: settle down. It was that he didn't find the right person.

629
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: So is it more of that? Do you think of

630
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: why I didn't work out with Christina last year or

631
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: you or a combination? Oh? I mean, it's a million

632
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: reasons why Christine and I never worked out. And I

633
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: like Chris, and don't get me wrong, I was I

634
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys saw the episode where she

635
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: comes and talks to me on the day bed, right

636
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: as I'm trying to win Kaylin back. I was actually

637
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: really annoyed with her in that situation, just because it

638
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: didn't really feel like she belonged there. At that moment.

639
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, you don't really have a horse

640
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 1: in this race. I don't understand why you over here

641
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: talking to me. I liked Christina a lot, It's just

642
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: we were so incompatible when it came to our just

643
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: who we are emotionally, in every aspect of who we

644
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: are as individuals, we just weren't compatible. And I like,

645
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: I was genuinely in love with her. It just is

646
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: one of those things that didn't work out. Like there

647
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: were times where I was convinced that she was gonna

648
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: be my wife, we were going to have a future together,

649
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: have kids and all that kind of stuff. And then

650
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: as like time progressed and things moved on, and we

651
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: began to like show each other sides of ourselves that

652
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, like we hadn't seen and we're both

653
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: like super stubborn people, and it just was like was

654
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: one of those things where it just didn't make sense

655
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: for us to be together, you know what I mean.

656
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: And so I don't think that at I don't know.

657
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: I guess I don't really know where I stand with

658
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I know that I don't know it

659
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: was my training. Obviously something was different with her, you know.

660
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: Do you think it was that you had changed, because

661
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: you hadn't changed coming into Paradise. Coming into Paradise, you

662
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: were very steadfast about I'm not leaving here with a relationship.

663
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: But something about her change that for you. I think

664
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: that I'm a much different person now than I am

665
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: than I was when I was dating Christina. Like now

666
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: I have interests and hobbies and goals and all these

667
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: things that I maybe had before, but not to the

668
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: extent that I have now, And like, I have more

669
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: of a better sense of my own identity now than

670
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: I did then, And I think that that's a big reason,

671
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: Like that's why Kaylin and I could potentially work, is

672
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: because I'm able to go off and do my own

673
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: thing and she's able to go stay and do her

674
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: own thing or go off and do her own thing.

675
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about like leaving town for

676
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: more than a couple of weeks at a time if

677
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: I'm traveling or doing whatever I'm doing. And I just

678
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: never got that from Christina, who again, like I think

679
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: that she's someone that obviously wants to be in a

680
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: relationship as well, So she leaves Blake on the beach,

681
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: which is sad. I don't know about that whole thing,

682
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: but that doesn't matter at the end of the day.

683
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: I like Christina. I just don't think that her and

684
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: I were ever destined to be together, you know what

685
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: I mean. I think it's about talking circles. No, I

686
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: think it's all about what you said. Is It's so true.

687
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: It's all about timing too. I think maybe in a

688
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: different time in place you and Christina could have worked out,

689
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,239
Speaker 1: but you were in a different place, and so was she,

690
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: to be honest, and this is just me speaking as

691
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: her friend, and I think that right now, timing works

692
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: for you and kayl for whatever it is that you

693
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: have going on in your lives. It just works. I

694
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: keep saying, relationships or like a muscle, and unless you

695
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: work them out, you're never going to get stronger with them.

696
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: And that's always been my mindset, similar to the Clooney

697
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I'm just gonna stay single until I

698
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: find someone that's exactly perfect for me. And I'm not

699
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: saying that Kaylin's definitely not one hundred percent perfect for me.

700
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: We're so very, very very different to the core almost,

701
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: but I am putting forth the effort to be in

702
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: a relationship to hopefully continue to progress and improve at it.

703
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: And I did prioritize a relationship with Christine in the past,

704
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: but there were there was too much codependency, I think

705
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: on each other that Christine and I had that isn't

706
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: as present with Kaylin and myself. Potentially, I really hesitated

707
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: on weighing in on my opinions when it comes to

708
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: you and Kaylin, because I got so much flat during

709
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: Winter Games. I was so pissed off at every single

710
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: cast member that night at Bachelor Winter Games, we did

711
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: the kissing competition or whatever the thing that you were

712
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: there for, and we're all upstairs, like you guys are

713
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: doing itms and like everyone it was like like standing

714
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: around each other like you do in high school. It's

715
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: like gossiping or whatever, and everyone was like, dude, Rachel

716
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: was so mean. What the hell she was being such

717
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: a jerk? And I was looking around. I was like, you, guys, oh,

718
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: she wasn't first of all, and second of all, she's

719
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: like she's playing a part of being that. She's like

720
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: the Simon Cowell of the kissing competition for Bachelor Winter Games.

721
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: How do you not understand that? And like none of them,

722
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: none of them stood, and I was getting so I

723
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: was like, she's You're just all so wrong. It was

724
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: so frustrated. I'm sorry that well, thank you for saying that.

725
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: I feel like you and I, for different reasons, are

726
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: misunderstood in this Bachelor Nation world. But you know that's

727
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: why I truly I didn't want to talk about you

728
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: and Kaylin because I didn't want people to come at

729
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: me again, and they will. Whatever it is, what it is.

730
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm used to it at this point. But what do

731
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: you say to people who misunderstand you and who say,

732
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: you know what, this is just Dean Dean? Here goes

733
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: Dean again, his pattern of love him and leave him,

734
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: can't figure out what it is that he wants to do.

735
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: He leaves Paradise, has an epiphany, comes back, takes Kaylin away.

736
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you say to the haters because

737
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: you know they're going to say something. I used to

738
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: take it to heart, especially after it's It was such

739
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: a weird contrast between going off of your season where

740
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: for the large majority I felt like I was like

741
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: a beloved contestant, and then going through Paradise, where I

742
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: was very heavily scrutinized for the decisions that I made properly,

743
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: like rightfully, so I should have been scrutinized. So I've

744
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: seen like both sides of like the good and the bad,

745
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: and the first time through Paradise, I like took a

746
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: lot of it to heart. I was like, Wow, these

747
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: people really hate me. This is really I'm struggling with

748
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: this a lot now when people talk crap it's like

749
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: the most I just think it's hilarious. I really enjoy

750
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: being misunderstood, honestly, likes it's one of my favorite things.

751
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: Like by nature, I'm a contrarian, So if I'm expected

752
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: to do one thing, I would rather prefer to do

753
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: the other thing. And if someone expects something of me,

754
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: I almost kind of like try to be the opposite

755
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: of that, for better or for worse. Like it's not

756
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: really a positive characteristic of mine. I just I like

757
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: to be unpredictable in that sense. And so when I

758
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: see people being like heavily critical of like me living

759
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: in my van or one of the biggest I guess

760
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: insults quote unquote that I've been getting lately is that

761
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: Dean is turning into his father and that one, that

762
00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: one kind of pisses me off because it's bringing my

763
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: fami into it, and it's like, just don't talk about

764
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: my family. I talk about me all you want, but

765
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: don't talk about my family. But at this point, I

766
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: just like laugh at it. I'm like retweeting negative comments

767
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: on me because it's like these people have nothing better

768
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: to do than talk craft about someone that they see

769
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: on TV, which is great, Like do that, but I'm

770
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: not taking any of it to heart, you know what

771
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: I mean? I think that Calm's getting it more than

772
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: you though. Oh absolutely yeah. So how do you you know?

773
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: I know you can't confirm or deny the status of

774
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: your relationship today, But obviously, regardless of what that, you

775
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: guys are together in this moment, you guys had a

776
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: very you guys were together after Paradise. I'm guessing for

777
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: some time you obviously care for her regardless of the status. Now, like,

778
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: how do you feel about that? Like? Do you feel

779
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: protective over her of people being so critical? I think

780
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: that I have a duty to stand up for her

781
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: publicly and obviously privately too, while encouraging her to do

782
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: her own you know, path of growth and understanding and

783
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: acceptance of all these things. So yes, Like I couldn't.

784
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 1: I can't go on a podcast where we're talking about

785
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff and not defend her. Are

786
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: you what are you telling her to get through these things?

787
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: I think that having been through as many times as

788
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: I have, it's very apparent the attention span of the

789
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: average viewer that watches the show none, none of the

790
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: stuff matters, No one cares about the show a week

791
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: after it's done airing right, Like the fact that people

792
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: like take it to heart so deeply, it's understandable, especially

793
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: at first, like she's been on two seasons now. On

794
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: my second season, like I said, I was struggling with it.

795
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: It's just like the lended perspective that I have now

796
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: going through it as many times as they have it

797
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: just no one cares. So it's like I try to

798
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: continuously remind her, even Blake, Like when Blake released the

799
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: text message was like, Blake, just wait a week. Man.

800
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: In a week, no one's gonna be talking about this anymore.

801
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: Do it then if you still feel so motivated too.

802
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: But then on the other side of it, for Kalen specifically,

803
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, she's going through this difficult time and Rachel,

804
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can attest this too. When you catch

805
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: heat on your season, but you know that the season

806
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: ends well for you. It's like, how could you really

807
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: be that upset about it? Like, yeah, people are talking

808
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: shit about Kylin right now, but she knows that at

809
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: the end of the show she could be leaving with

810
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: a boyfriend and because of that, like just be happy,

811
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: Like Rachel, people were being very negative to you. I'm

812
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: sure at times, but at the end of the show,

813
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: you were engaged to a man that you love, and

814
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: so it's like, yeah, it sucks to see people say

815
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: bad things, but you still got what you wanted and

816
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: you're happy and you're in love. So it's like, how

817
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: upset could you really be? You know what I mean?

818
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: People were mean when I made my decision. Actually they

819
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: were nice to me the whole time, and then when

820
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: I made my decision, people turned on me again. A

821
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: testament to the the average audience member that is the

822
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: same person that's talking shit to you on Twitter and Instagram,

823
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: and how you should never put much stock into the

824
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: things that they're saying. I think that you're I don't know,

825
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: like Alice said, I don't know the status of your

826
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: relationship with Kaylin, and I have already expressed that I'm

827
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: not a fan, but I'm a fan of you and

828
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: I like listening to you talk. I think that you

829
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: are really good for her. Thanks, Rachel. I know I'm

830
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: so serious, just because like certain things that you said,

831
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: and I really hope this comes through on the podcast,

832
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: certain things that you said about how she tries to

833
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: play one card and you're like, you know what, just

834
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: be yourself, Just let loosen yourself, because sometimes you just

835
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: need that person to bring that out of you, to

836
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: show that, to tell you that it's okay, you can

837
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: do it and the world's not going to end at

838
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: the end of the day, just if you if you

839
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: allow yourself to be yourself. And I think that that's

840
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: one of the things that initially, even from Colton season,

841
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: I had an issue with Kaylin about I felt she

842
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: was so plastic and I felt like she wasn't letting

843
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: loose and being herself. So I was like, I can't

844
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: get you because there's just such a facade on your

845
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: entire behavior. So I think somebody like you can bring

846
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: that out of her, and then I think that, you know,

847
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: she could be a little bit more relatable. I don't

848
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: think she's like that in real life though. Is that

849
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: like just a bachelor? I think because sometimes people can

850
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: put up a facade in a wall on you have

851
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: cameras falling you around. It's kind of weird. You can

852
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: just like turn it on like a switch. Um. I

853
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: think that it's it's not going to change overnight. I

854
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: think that's someone like her who's kind of been. You know,

855
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: she's been trained to be like via the pageants, She's

856
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: been trained to like answer questions and have this you

857
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: know script in her head where she recites answers that

858
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: are appropriate for the setting and that can be good

859
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: in a certain world, like I eat the pageant world,

860
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: but on reality television it can come across as a facade.

861
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: As Rachel said, it's a process, right, Like, it's not

862
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: going to happen overnight, and she's like aware, like she's

863
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: very well aware of it. She even says I think

864
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: on the show at one point that she's like, Yeah,

865
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: I'm this pageant person and I'm just like trying to

866
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: figure out how to not like assimilate back into regular life.

867
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: But you know, it's if you are this person for

868
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: so long, then you kind of like get I don't know,

869
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: accustomed to acting that way consistently. So it's just it's

870
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: it's a process, and she's gotten I mean, my experience

871
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: with her, every day, she's become realer and realer and

872
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: realer and more honest and more honest and more vulnerable, etcetera.

873
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: And like I'm not like the the shining pinnacle of vulnerability, right,

874
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: Like I struggle with all of this stuff as well,

875
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: and so it's like kind of two broken winged birds

876
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: trying to learn how to fly together sort of thing,

877
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: which it's like the blind leading the blind in the sense, right,

878
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: but it's it's a process and things are yeah, consistently

879
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: getting better. So so do you think that the maybe

880
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: Kylin that is portrayed in the show is different than

881
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: the Klein that you got to know after the show.

882
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: I think the Klin that we see on the show,

883
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 1: she she's very emotional and she can be very judgmental

884
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: at times, which is frustrating to see, Like I express

885
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: that to her sometimes too, where it's like, look, I

886
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: don't I don't know if I necessarily want to be

887
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: dating someone that is this judgmental, like critical person of

888
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: other people. Like I'm critical too of other people all

889
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: the time, but judgmental and all that kind of stuff.

890
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: It's not like the best skill characteristic to embody and

891
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: who she is off camera as much different than who

892
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: she is on camera. But at the same time, Larah

893
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: is still similarities and parallels to be drawn between the two.

894
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: So you know, she's young, she's twenty four, She's trying

895
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: to figure it all out, and she's very committed and

896
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: dedicated to like a bettering herself, be being a good

897
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: partner and see like trying to navigate her life all

898
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: at the same time. And I'm very much in that

899
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: same boat. I think maybe I'm a little further along

900
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: than she is, just because I've been in the world

901
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: a little bit longer than she has. But like I said,

902
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 1: it's not going to happen overnight. It's always a process,

903
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: and that's kind of why we're like, you know, I

904
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: came back to the beach and I made a commitment

905
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: to this person to try and figure it out with her,

906
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: and that's what we're working on. So and I will

907
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: just say, because I want to kind of show the

908
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: flip side of things. I oh, I of course respect

909
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: all Rachel's opinions, but I am a fan of Kaylin.

910
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: I think that she you know, she's young. I think

911
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: she's figuring herself out. I think that she's a people pleaser.

912
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: She wants to be loved, and I empathize with that.

913
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: When I watch her, I just want to like give

914
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: her a hug and say, like, you don't you don't

915
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: have to say that judgment mental thing about that person.

916
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: You don't have to, you know, say that thing about Blake,

917
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: like you know, and just say you're good enough as

918
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: you you know. I feel like she just she did

919
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: some soul searching on the show, and I'm sure, as

920
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: you keep saying, she will continue to in her life.

921
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: But I just feel for her. I feel like she's

922
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: a young girl who wears her heart on her sleeve

923
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: and just wants to be loved. And I can just

924
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: relate to that in so many ways. Yeah, and I

925
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: agree with what you said, the people pleasing aspect of it,

926
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, throughout the whole time that

927
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: we spend together, we're trying to break away at that, like,

928
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: don't be a people pleaser. It's it's good at times, sure,

929
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, if you're like

930
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: sacrificing parts of yourself to please other people that you

931
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: don't even know, like strangers on the internet, just don't

932
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: be that person. Just do what's right by you. And

933
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: if people like you, they like you, and if they don't,

934
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: they don't. And I do that, and I think that's

935
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: why I relate to her so much. I'm ten years

936
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: older than her, and I think over the years I've

937
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: learned a little bit more. I mean, in general, people

938
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: try to say that I like do that because I'm

939
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: nice everybody, and nice everybody because I I have a daughter,

940
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: and I always just imagine I'm a son and that

941
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: them being you know, put out in the public this way.

942
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: So I always think of the contestants on the show

943
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: as all my little children YouTube Dean. But but at

944
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I think I also am

945
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: similar to her in the sense that, like, I worry

946
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: about what people think about me, So I think that's

947
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: where I just sort of relate to her in a

948
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: lot of ways. Yeah, well, we actually have to take

949
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: a quick break, but when we come back, we want

950
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: to find out what you think about all the current

951
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: couples on Bachelor in Paradise, So you guys don't go anywhere.

952
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about my relationships post Bachelor from the Bachelor,

953
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: all of the girls that I've dated publicly from the

954
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: Bachelor franchise, I'm not going to name names, but they've

955
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: always been regarded as like these great women, and they

956
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: are good, they're great people. I'm fucking fantastic. Well, you

957
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: and I like technically date post show. Is the point

958
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to make I'm sorry, I thought you

959
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: said during the show, no, no, no, post show. There's

960
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: two girls that I dated, you know, very publicly post

961
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: show pulled after Paradise the first time in Winter Games

962
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: the only time. And it was always kind of regard

963
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: arted as I was the lesser version of them, and

964
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: they were always like kind of slumming it to be

965
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 1: with me, and how they were always so much better

966
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: than me, And like the toll that just puts on

967
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: a relationship is kind of frustrating from my perspective because

968
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: it's like what the public perceives and what the relationship

969
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,959
Speaker 1: actually is is it's misaligned. It's not it's not right.

970
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: And so there's like a certain amount of undue pressure

971
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: that gets put on a relationship, and me specifically, when

972
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: the entire world thinks that the girl that I'm dating

973
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: is slumming it by dating me, and like why is

974
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: that girl with him? Blah blah blah blah blah, when

975
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: in reality, it's just like it's just another girl, it's

976
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: just another guy that are dating. There's no specialties for

977
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: really between the two of them, right, And so now

978
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: in this case exactly, and I've told you this, but

979
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: I've communicated this with her before. I was like, the

980
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: fact that you're regarded as kind of like a mean

981
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: caddy person at times on the show is almost relieving

982
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: to me because it removes so much pressure from me

983
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: to I guess, to try to prove to the people

984
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: that I'm worth your time in a sense if that

985
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: makes sense. And I don't really know if I'm if

986
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm accurately describing it, but it removes a lot of

987
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: pressure from me to be in this relationship. Makes a

988
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: lot of sense, honestly. But the thing is, obviously you

989
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: don't think that about her, right, What do you mean

990
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: that she's a mean, catty person? No, I mean she

991
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: has her moments. I think obviously we've seen it all

992
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: on television, and she knows that she's been that person.

993
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: And I've pointed out to her that she's that person

994
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: sometimes and that she needs to figure that out and

995
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: hopefully can like fick amend the situation in some sort

996
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: of way. And I, oh, sorry, Dean, I'm so sorry, No,

997
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: go so sorry. I don't mean to cut you off

998
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: such a really please, I was just gonna say I

999
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: and I said this to Ali before it's not what

1000
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: people say. I watch the way people move right, and

1001
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: then I and then I maybe I couple it with

1002
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: what people say. Let's let us not forget the and

1003
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: I'm using air quotes here, the paget drama that Hannah

1004
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: and Kaylin had on Colton season and thing, and Hannah

1005
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: kept referring to her as, you know, more so being

1006
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: a mean girl, and it's like, okay, whatever, this is

1007
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: just seems like these two were too competitive. Then you

1008
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: fast forward and you see this and you're like, maybe

1009
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: there was a little bit of truth in that. Then

1010
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: what she apparently said during Colton's season, which was debated

1011
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 1: as well, and it's like, not once, not twice, three times.

1012
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: I mean, when people show you who they are who

1013
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: they are, you kind of have to start believing them.

1014
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: Good segue into talking about these couples, So let's start

1015
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: with because this is actually a couple that I think

1016
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 1: is well, I'm gonna leave you to give your opinion.

1017
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: Hannah and Dylan. Hannah and Dylan. I this time around,

1018
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't really focused on like making too many friends.

1019
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: Although I didn't make a lot of friends while I

1020
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: was down on the beach, Dylan was one of the

1021
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,479
Speaker 1: person one of the people that I could always talk

1022
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: to and have a great time talking to. He became

1023
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: one of my better friends on the beach, and so

1024
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: I love him. Hannah Dylan seemed very cute together. I

1025
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: didn't really get to know Hannah very well, but I

1026
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: think that they're adorable together. They're like Barbie and Ken.

1027
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: They are very cute with None of us are getting

1028
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: to know Hannah very well. She has like one sentence

1029
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: every episode. I wonder if there's a reason for that.

1030
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: She doesn't talk very much. But what you do see

1031
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: on TV is I was gonna say it, but thank you.

1032
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: There's not much to say. Okay, what do you think

1033
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: about Clay and Nicole oh Man. I'm not a fan

1034
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: of their relationship, to be perfectly honest, And it's funny.

1035
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of them actually this season, and

1036
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 1: you see Clay come in with Angela coming in as well.

1037
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: That whole drama seemed to me seemed like it kind

1038
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: of blew up way more than it should have. It's like, yeah,

1039
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: you used to date this girl and now she's on

1040
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: the beach trying to date someone else, but you're dating

1041
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: someone just didn't really seem fair to me in a

1042
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: lot of ways. The relationship between Clay and Nicole doesn't

1043
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: make sense to me personally. I'm just having spoken with

1044
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: Clay and knowing why his and Angela's relationship didn't work out.

1045
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: I see a lot of similarities between Angela and Nicole

1046
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: as individuals and how their relationship would be similar with

1047
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: Clay as well, So it just didn't make sense to me.

1048
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see how it goes next week, but

1049
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: I've got my doubts. I'm with you honestly, Like I

1050
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: always want to root for people, but for them, I

1051
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: just feel like it's not going to work out. Demi

1052
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: and Christian they're amazing. I know that they've kind of

1053
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: it's been a weird mixed bag for them, right They

1054
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: caught a lot of heat for Christian coming down and

1055
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 1: Demi going on the show with a girlfriend or however

1056
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: that all transpired. I'm not sure exactly, but they seem

1057
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: to balance each other out really well. Like Demi's super

1058
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: outspoken and loud and vulnerable and very in touch with

1059
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: their emotions, which is great to see, Like, you know,

1060
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: she's very communicative and all that kind of stuff, and

1061
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: Christian seems to be kind of be that rock or

1062
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: the anchor for her, so they seem to balance each

1063
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: other out. Really well, all right, let's talk about Katie

1064
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: and Chris. When I read Katie and Chris, and I'm

1065
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: so sorry Katie and Chris if you're listening to this,

1066
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: But at first, I'm like, wait, who's Katie and Chris?

1067
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: I'd do it every sing I don't know who Hannah

1068
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: and dillanmore for two seconds. Isn't it crazy that Chris

1069
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: has been on like what seven seasons six seven seasons

1070
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: of this show, and I like still forget him. I'm

1071
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: so sorry, Chris, But anyway, do you remember them? Dean?

1072
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question. I've never seen Chris

1073
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: before in my life. I never even knew who he was.

1074
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: Is he always like this on the eight other times

1075
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 1: he's been on the show? If this his personality? And

1076
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: that's a thing. He was a little angry in the past,

1077
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: like he got in some fights and stuff. He showed

1078
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: like kind of angry or side of himself. Honestly, he's

1079
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: so forgettable. I don't remember, Okay. I'm just really just

1080
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: trying to understand, just trying to get some insight Yeah,

1081
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: what do you think about Katie and Chris? I don't

1082
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: think that we really know a lot about them. Chris

1083
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: was pretty guarded the whole time that I spent on

1084
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: the beach, So whenever, you know, he would try to

1085
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: open up to like us his friends on the Guys

1086
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: on the Beach about his relationship, he was pretty short,

1087
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: so we never really got a good insight into where

1088
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: he was at. And it's funny because watching it back,

1089
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: I feel kind of the same way. Even when he's

1090
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: talking to Katie, He's like, not really all in. Katie

1091
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: seems to be like exhausting herself trying to like figure

1092
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: it out. I like Chris. I think that Katie deserves better,

1093
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: in my opinion, She's a great girl. Maybe not better,

1094
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: but just maybe deserves more out of the out of

1095
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: her partner. I don't know if I'm terribly confident in

1096
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: the relationship going distance, but I don't think they're gonna

1097
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: end up together at the end of the show. I mean, obviously,

1098
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, because he were at the reunion special that's

1099
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: airing next week, But I just don't think. What do

1100
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: you think, Rachel Oh, I think Dean hit the nail

1101
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: on the head it's just she's trying so hard, and

1102
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: we have to try that hard. Like I wish I

1103
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: could just like scream that when a guy is really

1104
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: into you, he's into you. There, there's songs about it,

1105
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: there are poems about it. You just you shouldn't have

1106
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: to work that hard at your relationship. He's it's it's

1107
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: she's everything he says he wants, but then he's just

1108
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: not that into her. It seems like it's it's sad

1109
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 1: because I like Katie. Yeah, it's hard to watch sometimes. Okay,

1110
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: what did you think about the end of JPJ and Tasia?

1111
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: The montage of their love story almost had me breaking

1112
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: down into tears. And I'm not a crier. I don't

1113
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: cry watching anything, but watching that back, I was like, damn,

1114
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 1: that was really well done. I'm just pulling so hard

1115
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: for them right now. Oh, Tasia is a great girl

1116
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: and John Paul Jones is a very interesting man. Does

1117
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: that make them all suited for each other? I don't know.

1118
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: I think that they I think that they could work

1119
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: outside of the show, and so seeing Tasia not being

1120
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: able to commit to the idea of John Paul Jones

1121
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: is kind of saddening. I get it like, I understand

1122
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: why Tasia wasn't able to like say I love you

1123
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: back and go to the fantasy suits and progress from there.

1124
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: But it's just, you know, John Paul Jones was like

1125
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: all in and very you know, he's had his ups

1126
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: and downs this Paradise as well, Like the wedding was

1127
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: kind of brutal for me to watch and for all

1128
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: of us to watch. But I'm want to ask you

1129
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: about that because I feel like, just I mean, I

1130
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: obviously don't know you that well, but just spending the

1131
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: last hour here chatting with you, I feel like I

1132
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: really sort of trust your read on people based on

1133
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: the things that you have said. What is your read

1134
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: on him? Obviously you weren't there for the wedding thing

1135
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: because I loved him, and then that whole thing happened,

1136
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: and I was like, who is this guy? And even

1137
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,959
Speaker 1: in the episode last night or this week, he said

1138
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: to her like and I know he was trying to say,

1139
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: but something along the lines of like don't tell me

1140
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: what I feel. And I was like, WHOA Like the

1141
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: way he said it was kind of like how he

1142
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: was like yelling at Derek, like don't tell me, don't

1143
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: question my intelligence and don't oh he said, that's Tasha. Yeah.

1144
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: When he's talking to Tasha, he said, um, like, don't

1145
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: tell me how I feel. And it was just and

1146
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: I get where he was going with it. He's because

1147
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: she was like, no, you think you feel that way?

1148
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: And he was like, don't tell me how I feel.

1149
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, whoa, there was another way that

1150
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: could have been said. So what is your take on

1151
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: JPJ knowing him in real life? I don't think I've

1152
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: ever had like a real full conversation with him. I

1153
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: don't think, I don't. I mean I have right, like

1154
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: I've had his version of a full real conversation, but

1155
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 1: that's not really a full conversation. Like what you see

1156
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: is what you get with John Paul Jones's he's very

1157
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: you know, he's been like oh whoa, oh cool, like

1158
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: and that's great, Like he's a great guy, a nice guy,

1159
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: but you just don't really get to know who he

1160
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: has passed all of that stuff, and he's like he's

1161
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: a very smart person. I was very impressed by his

1162
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: intelligence many many times. But then it's like his his

1163
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: inability I guess to like maybe go deeper than that

1164
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: or unwillingness too, I think would probably be a better word,

1165
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: and I think that maybe he's able to do that

1166
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: with Taisha. But I've asked too, because you've obviously been

1167
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: watching the season back. Yeah, where do you watch it?

1168
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: Do you have a TV in your van? I do

1169
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: have a television. Well, it's like I have an iPad

1170
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: that I use as like an entertainment center. If you will, Dan,

1171
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: how long are you going to keep this van? Is

1172
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: there an endpoint? Is there a goal? An end goal?

1173
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: I should say in mind, if I could make it

1174
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: twelve months in the van, I'll have considered the era,

1175
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: the Van Era a success. I do at some point

1176
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: plan on traveling south with the van, very far south

1177
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: to Argentina. Perhaps I don't know if that's going to happen.

1178
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: I hope it does come like January February March. I

1179
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: do plan on spending most of my time traveling through

1180
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: like the Rocky Mountains, probably south, working my way up

1181
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: north into Canada and just skiing basically as much as

1182
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: I can, And that would kind of put a hindrance

1183
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: on my ability because like part of that, the idea

1184
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: of traveling south is just kind of just chase summer,

1185
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like obviously this winter in North

1186
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: America's summer in South America. But I can't. I haven't

1187
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: decided fully if I want to commit to the idea

1188
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: of skiing as much as I possibly can in this

1189
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: winter or venturing down south, And I think that decision

1190
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: will hinge on how long I can stay in the van,

1191
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: for which, honestly, at this point, like the van life

1192
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: is going great, like I'm loving it. I'm three months

1193
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: into it, and I've never been happy. Right. Granted, I

1194
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: travel internationally a lot, so it's nice to not have

1195
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: to spend you know, two and twenty five hundred dollars

1196
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: a month on rent in Los Angeles if I'm not

1197
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: living in that house, so I'm living rent free. If

1198
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: I'm traveling international, I don't have to worry about that.

1199
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 1: When I'm traveling domestically, I can just like tomorrow, tomorrow morning,

1200
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: I'm traveling to Utah and then to Colorado and then

1201
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: to Idaho to rock climb for the next two weeks.

1202
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: And so it's like to have the ability to basically

1203
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: take my home with me to those places is like

1204
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: a very appealing thing. So I think the winter months

1205
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: will be very telling because it's gonna get cold. I

1206
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: have a heater in there, but I don't know like

1207
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: how that's like getting wet with the snow is going

1208
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: to be interesting. So we'll see. It's all kind of

1209
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: it's all dependent. You've got nine months left of this year,

1210
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: twenty five percent of the way through, and honestly it's

1211
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 1: looking pretty good. Is there enough room for Kaylin if

1212
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: you guys end up together in this van to make

1213
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: all these travels? Uh, there's a full size bed in

1214
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 1: the van, and there's actually a secondary bed on top,

1215
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: so in case we get in a fight or an argument,

1216
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: I could sleep on top. She could sleep in the cab.

1217
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: Okay you really thought this throat? Oh my gosh, yes,

1218
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: of course, And like I get it, like the like

1219
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: to Rachel's point, you say you're living in a van.

1220
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 1: The first thing you assume is like a windowless van

1221
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: that's like rusted over, that's like orange and green and

1222
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: gross and like one flat tire. But you're still driving

1223
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: on it anyways because you don't have the money to

1224
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: put air into it. And I get that, but like

1225
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: if you look up, like look up van life on YouTube,

1226
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: just like spend an hour looking at it, You're gonna

1227
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: get hooked. It's it can be a pretty romantic lifestyle.

1228
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: It's like a tiny home. That's like a whole wave

1229
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: of things right now. I mean, I just say, when

1230
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: you're with Kaylin leaving in the in the car at

1231
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: the end of Paradise and you were talking about making Ramen,

1232
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: I mean that was like a romantic date for me.

1233
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm not even joking at Ramen. Like three times a

1234
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: day I would think about it. It's so nice, like

1235
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: you're just having a long You're going somewhere. Oh I'm tired.

1236
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna pull over to the side of the

1237
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: road and taking nap for a little bit. You can

1238
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: do that because your bed is right there. Or I

1239
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: just want to chill and watch Netflix for a little bit,

1240
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 1: you can do that because your TV is right there.

1241
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: There's a lot of perks to live in a van,

1242
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: you guys. And I'm not trying to sell you on it. No, No,

1243
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued. I don't even think you should should stop

1244
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: calling it a van because that's not what it is.

1245
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: It's a lot. It's a lot more rich than that's

1246
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: a mobular home. It's mobular a word. I don't know,

1247
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: is it. I gotta say the van life sounds very appealing.

1248
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't ever leave my house. I have

1249
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: two small children. I haven't been on a vacation in

1250
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: like four years. So to like go in a van

1251
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: and just drive and do whatever I want for however

1252
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: a minute, you know, however much time sounds amazing. If

1253
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: you ever want to borrow it, you're more than welcome.

1254
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you, thank you. Will you babysit my kids?

1255
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: That's kind of weird. Rather, Rachel, you said you wanted

1256
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: to name the mustache by the end of this podcast,

1257
00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: has anything come to you? My friend? I'm gonna name

1258
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: it MO. It's short for something else for the guy

1259
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: who came with six back twothcases. No, the guy that

1260
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: came with six sus cases on the Bachelorette. No, not him,

1261
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: for something else. You know what this she's referring to,

1262
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: this MO being short for something else? Am I supposed

1263
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: to know? Reach? No, you're not. It's short for motor boat.

1264
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: Was really good appropriate. I'm just gonna call him. I've

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Speaker 1: named Dean's mustache MO. All right, There you have it.

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Speaker 1: I guess we'll call it MOO. From this point forward.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, Dean, it was nice to have you

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Speaker 1: and Mo here with us today. Thanks for killing me

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Speaker 1: so hard. Rage always a pleasure to have you because

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Speaker 1: you keep it real. The conversation is moving, and it's

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Speaker 1: always refreshing to talk to you because you say what

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Speaker 1: people are thinking and they're too afraid to say. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that you, guys. Thanks for having me. All right,

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Speaker 1: Next week, guys, we have another great podcast for you.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the finale of Bachelor in Paradise, and

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Speaker 1: I really need you guys to know that I've actually

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Speaker 1: never seen a finale of Bachelor in Paradise. I've never

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Speaker 1: actually watched the show to this far end, so I'm

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Speaker 1: quite excited. Plus, we have a special guest coming on

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Speaker 1: the show, and I can tell you now it's going

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Speaker 1: to be a good one. You don't want to miss out,

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Speaker 1: so make sure you tune in for that. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be so good. I cannot wait to

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Speaker 1: talk to this person. And I gotta say, like, I'm

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Speaker 1: sad to see the show go, but I'm also really

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Speaker 1: excited to get four hours of my week back. Every week.

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Speaker 1: It's been intense watching the show. But in the meantime, guys,

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Speaker 1: you can all get the latest Bachelor Nation news on

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Speaker 1: bachelornation dot com right now, And we really want to

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Speaker 1: hear from you, guys, so please tell us what you

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Speaker 1: like and you don't like about the show, and just

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Speaker 1: in general, tell us what you want to hear more of.

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