WEBVTT - Ep. 415  "Racism In The Healthcare System "

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<v Speaker 1>What's Good Family. I'm Tamika d Mallory. This your Boy

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<v Speaker 1>might sell General and we're a host of street politicians.

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<v Speaker 1>The place we got a deep show today. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it seems like as we start focusing on

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<v Speaker 1>certain issues, we travel into these real, real dark spaces,

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<v Speaker 1>and UM, I think the show that we're focusing on

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<v Speaker 1>today is no different. It's like when we got into

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<v Speaker 1>the issue around medical kidnapping, which is a new term

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm just learning about, UM, and also just the

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<v Speaker 1>unjust removal of children from their homes and from their

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<v Speaker 1>families for a variety of reasons. I now we start

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<v Speaker 1>to learn about all these other issues and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>you open up a can of ones. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing happens in the police accountability movement when

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<v Speaker 1>you start talking about police saying, then mental health issues

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<v Speaker 1>come up, people start asking questions about gun violence. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>the issues around guns come up, issues around driving while black.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's so many windows and and and rooms

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<v Speaker 1>in the building, and I think that's what we're experiencing

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<v Speaker 1>right now as we sort of focus on racism within

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<v Speaker 1>the healthcare industry, because it's racism everywhere, and these particular systems. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they have some real horrible ways that they treat black

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<v Speaker 1>and brown folks, particularly black women, Uh, that we're learning

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<v Speaker 1>so much about. So today's show it's pretty it's deepened.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, it's haunting because, UM, you know, I know

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<v Speaker 1>all about what it is to be a black woman

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<v Speaker 1>whose voice is not listened to. Um, you sound like

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a little that. I've been doing a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of talking m the last few weeks actually, um, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I have lost my voice. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>know all about what it is as a as a

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<v Speaker 1>black woman to be um, misunderstood, to be mistreated, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>to be ignored, to have my feelings and and and

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<v Speaker 1>other things ignored, And it is painful. So listening to

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<v Speaker 1>these stories what somebody think is a small thing or

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<v Speaker 1>you're being ignored or nobody, but it translates into so

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<v Speaker 1>many places in our lives. And so today's show is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna focus on that. Yeah. And also we also have

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<v Speaker 1>a male black man who who speaks on the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing on how his voice is ignored and how his

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<v Speaker 1>even place, you know, as his story is crazy as

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<v Speaker 1>a father's it's pretty much you know, So there's so

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<v Speaker 1>much going on, man, I didn't even never really focused

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<v Speaker 1>on the you know, the the medical mortality and things

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<v Speaker 1>of that nature, even though I've heard about it. But

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, just looking at these two individuals who

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<v Speaker 1>we have here and just listening to these stories is

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<v Speaker 1>really deep. So you know, I'm definitely interested and can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait to get into these topics and just inform you know,

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<v Speaker 1>our viewers and our listeners on what's going on. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a and that's the thing I love about what we're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do with street politicians. It's different. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of people who focus on the entertainers.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they talk about some issues, but their focus is

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<v Speaker 1>very different from ours. And we watch those shows, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we love those shows, funny, um, you know, entertaining. But

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<v Speaker 1>on this show, while we do you know, we cut up,

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<v Speaker 1>we talk stuff, but we are trying to focus on

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<v Speaker 1>serious issues but breaking it down in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>can be translated to the every day person. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a it takes us. It's a skill set that

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<v Speaker 1>is required to be able to translate these big words.

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<v Speaker 1>Like today we're learning about the help syndrome, which is

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<v Speaker 1>h G L l P. Obviously, the accre and um

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<v Speaker 1>you know, means helping women and listening to their voices.

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<v Speaker 1>But h G l l P is a longer word

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<v Speaker 1>that describes a particular syndrome and condition and women go

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<v Speaker 1>through when their blood pressure and other issues happen during

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<v Speaker 1>the latter part of their pregnancy, and you can die

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<v Speaker 1>from it. We've learned about uh pre sklenia. Oh lord,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta get that right. Hold clan, it's clamp women,

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<v Speaker 1>and hold on. We need we need, we need our

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<v Speaker 1>production team to tell us how. I'm gonna tell you

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<v Speaker 1>how to say it. Pre et clamps here there we

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<v Speaker 1>go there and make sure y'all don't take that out.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep that in there, and yeah, we need that in there.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's Janice right there, pre claims here her name

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<v Speaker 1>is Janet. But pre eclamps fia, that's a new you

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<v Speaker 1>keep saying one more time, Genie said one more time

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<v Speaker 1>for pre eclamps See, yeah, that's what I said. That's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly so. Um, you know, so that's a new term

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<v Speaker 1>a medical condition that we are We're now learning that

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<v Speaker 1>women are dying and or their babies are dying, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're experiencing a lot of of of unfortunate circumstances

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<v Speaker 1>during uh the birth period. So there's it's just there's

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<v Speaker 1>so much to learn. And to your point, not just

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<v Speaker 1>learning it, but now that we know, we got to

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<v Speaker 1>do something with it. Go takes me back to Dick

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<v Speaker 1>Gregory when he said, once you put those glasses on,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like glasses that help you see things that everybody

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<v Speaker 1>else can see. Um and. So as we are learning

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<v Speaker 1>more and more about UH racism and in the health

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<v Speaker 1>care system, um and and and not just racism, but

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<v Speaker 1>as you said something on Lash show, classism because they're

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<v Speaker 1>white women who are uh, you know, most of them

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<v Speaker 1>don't have means, who are experiencing similar situations, particularly around

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<v Speaker 1>the separation of children from their fans, out from their

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<v Speaker 1>from their families. So it's it's a deep dark hole trafficking, sex, trafficking.

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<v Speaker 1>We talk with Tony last week, Tony Rivera, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>deep dark hole. Yeah, it definitely is. Man just hearing

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<v Speaker 1>these stories that That's one thing I love about this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, our podcast, that it informs me. I learned

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<v Speaker 1>every day, like I'm learning from different individuals. I'm learned

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<v Speaker 1>about things that pretty much a common in our society,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the black community. That I haven't even been

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<v Speaker 1>privy too. So I know a lot of people, and

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<v Speaker 1>I pride myself on trying to inform myself and reading

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<v Speaker 1>up and being knowledgeable and understand what's going on. So

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<v Speaker 1>I know a lot about people aren't giving getting this

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<v Speaker 1>information prior to even hear an about it. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's I'm proud of that. You know we're actually doing

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<v Speaker 1>a little something good here. Number one ship, number one ship, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we definitely are so my thought of the day because

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<v Speaker 1>I've been thinking because as we've been in this new space,

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<v Speaker 1>learning more about particularly the Child Protective Services, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I've been I've been, I mean really, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>doing a lot of reading and engaging myself in a

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<v Speaker 1>real study practice around CPS. And not to demonize all

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<v Speaker 1>CPS workers. We've been saying that every week, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>we know that they're child protective workers out there who

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<v Speaker 1>are doing a damn good job and they have little

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<v Speaker 1>resources to none. In fact, my cousin Raven, who loves

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<v Speaker 1>you dearly, um, she worked for Child Protective Services for

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<v Speaker 1>a while and in the state of Georgia, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the stories you know of the things that she went

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<v Speaker 1>through and she is not able to tell you everything

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<v Speaker 1>that's how happening. But you could see the burden on

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<v Speaker 1>her when she would come home from work and she

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<v Speaker 1>would just be like, you know, there's so much happening,

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<v Speaker 1>There's so many problems. And I know CPS workers just

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<v Speaker 1>like police officers, just like teachers, just like everybody. They

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<v Speaker 1>out there trying their best, trying to damn this to

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<v Speaker 1>save lives. But the systems are so corrupt, the actual system,

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<v Speaker 1>to foundation of the way that they're told to do

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<v Speaker 1>their jobs is so corrupt at the core. And as

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<v Speaker 1>a result of that, UM, we're seeing a situation where

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<v Speaker 1>families are being and people are being harm and so,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just recently we got tagged, I know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been being tagged to the story of a woman that

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<v Speaker 1>a woman is telling about an incident that happened in

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<v Speaker 1>the Costco. Um. In the Costco she happened to see

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<v Speaker 1>a family basically for a white people with children, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was a young girl, a young black girl with them.

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<v Speaker 1>UM who told this woman this is what the this

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<v Speaker 1>is the woman's account of this story. She told the

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<v Speaker 1>woman that the people that she was with, this white

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<v Speaker 1>family that she's been placed with that they were sexually

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<v Speaker 1>assaulting her, the wife and the husband, and that the

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<v Speaker 1>husband held her against her will. And uh, now when

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<v Speaker 1>you when you look at the imagery and even the

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<v Speaker 1>video that the woman is taking this advocate, the woman

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<v Speaker 1>who's speaking up for this young girl. You look at

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<v Speaker 1>the video, it's clear that sounds wrong. So this family,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not feeding their adoptive child. She's crying. They're being

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<v Speaker 1>racist towards her daughter. You guys need to we need

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<v Speaker 1>to expose these people, this family. Look at her, she

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<v Speaker 1>looks hungry and they're making her say that she's not hungry.

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<v Speaker 1>And these people are just owning her and they're probably

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<v Speaker 1>using her as a slave like they were back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day. So, yes, the sheriffs are on the way.

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<v Speaker 1>I called the cause because yes, I'm a Catholice as

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<v Speaker 1>person and I'm not about to watch this go by.

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<v Speaker 1>That is very rude and very disgusting of these people.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe to them it's not, but maybe they don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know. Let's just say that they are not actually

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<v Speaker 1>engaged in um any type of uh you know, negligence

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<v Speaker 1>or or even worse than that criminal activity. Right, Let's

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<v Speaker 1>just say they're not, but they might not know that

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<v Speaker 1>to have their their children, the white children look, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty decent, clean up with their clothes on, and then

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<v Speaker 1>to have this young girl with her hair matted and

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<v Speaker 1>her clothes look like mammy. That's exactly how she was dressed,

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<v Speaker 1>like a little mammy, dressed like something from imagery from

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen sixties. That's how she's dressed with this family.

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<v Speaker 1>The wife looks like she's suffering with some type of

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<v Speaker 1>mental issue herself. And of course while this video was

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<v Speaker 1>going on, they're standing around and they look to me

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<v Speaker 1>like they know somebody sees them, right, So of course

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<v Speaker 1>the woman can't stop them from taking the child. But

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<v Speaker 1>she gets to the police. She tells the police about

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<v Speaker 1>the situation, and they go to investigate, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>their report is they found no wrong doing, everything is fine,

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<v Speaker 1>and this young girl is off with this family. Someone

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<v Speaker 1>tagged me yesterday to something saying that the family has

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<v Speaker 1>now moved from where they were and they went to

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<v Speaker 1>another state. And this happens often, and so there were

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<v Speaker 1>many people who wanted us to get involved to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with this situation, and it would just so happen that

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned this in the last and our last week's

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<v Speaker 1>show where we talked with Tony Rivera and we happen

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<v Speaker 1>to mention that this was happening, it was a developing situation,

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<v Speaker 1>and when she said she was dealing with it and

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<v Speaker 1>would get back to me. So my thought of the

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<v Speaker 1>day is, as I look at many people who have

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<v Speaker 1>reached out, even some of them are advocates themselves, and

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<v Speaker 1>they are helping with this situation, why do people feel

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<v Speaker 1>like the right way to address me or us and

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<v Speaker 1>other leaders is to try to either shame us and

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<v Speaker 1>disrespect us in order to make us pay attention to

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<v Speaker 1>an issue. So people are tagging me in the comments.

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<v Speaker 1>Are your trash because you're not helping this girl? You

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<v Speaker 1>haven't done your job? Where are you? How dare you?

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<v Speaker 1>You only get involved in cases when something you know

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<v Speaker 1>benefits you, which, by the way, that's the biggest line

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<v Speaker 1>has ever been told. Because most of the people that

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<v Speaker 1>come to us for support are people who have no name.

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<v Speaker 1>No one really knows what's going on. Maybe their child

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<v Speaker 1>was killed or some incident happened, and maybe there's some

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<v Speaker 1>talk online, but there's no organization around them. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>have really the resources, the financial resources which we have

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<v Speaker 1>to often raise and bring to the families and beyond

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<v Speaker 1>that they have no international name the way that we

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately did for Brianna Taylor. And I've been involved in

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<v Speaker 1>many cases for my career. Over my career twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>plus years, I have been helping to take cases and

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<v Speaker 1>families from one space to the next. We got involved

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<v Speaker 1>in Trayvon Martin, same thing. Trayvon had been dead. People

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<v Speaker 1>were kind of talking about it. But when we got

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<v Speaker 1>there and we put that extra work on and Traybonn

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<v Speaker 1>became an international name. His mother Sabrina folks who will

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<v Speaker 1>tell him that, okay. And again, like I said, same

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<v Speaker 1>thing with Brianna Taylor. So I'm trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>why people feel like they need to shame you and

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<v Speaker 1>talk down on you to make you get involved in

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<v Speaker 1>something when they don't know who you're talking to, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what's happening behind the scenes. And also they

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand the process that it takes before people like

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<v Speaker 1>us can go and get involved in certain situations. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think, and I'll let you respond. Then one of

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<v Speaker 1>the problems that folks deal with is not understanding that

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're the fact that they have five hundred followers

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<v Speaker 1>or two thousand followers, and even five thousand followers. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand that when they go out and say something,

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<v Speaker 1>the risk is not the same as someone like me

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<v Speaker 1>and like us who have a million plus people and

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<v Speaker 1>major platforms, because guess what, we will get sued if

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<v Speaker 1>we have not done the due diligence of having our

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<v Speaker 1>attorneys get involved in these situations. Imagine us going out

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<v Speaker 1>there and calling this family rapists, kidnappers, all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>words that we need to We would be using or

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<v Speaker 1>at least implying in order to bring attention to a

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<v Speaker 1>situation without giving our legal team the ability to look

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<v Speaker 1>at the law and what we can say and what

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<v Speaker 1>we can't say. And also, the woman that's telling the story,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know her. I believe she's doing the right thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to support her, but we don't know her,

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<v Speaker 1>so we can't say a hundred percent that what she's

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<v Speaker 1>telling us is absolutely true. All of this has to

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<v Speaker 1>be dealt with, and there are people out there in

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<v Speaker 1>the world who don't seem to know understand that there

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<v Speaker 1>is a process that we have to go through before

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<v Speaker 1>we get involved. It doesn't mean that we won't take

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<v Speaker 1>on situations. That's difficult because guess what they told us.

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<v Speaker 1>Brianna Taylor's boyfriend was a drug deal Our ex boyfriend

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<v Speaker 1>was a drug dealer. They told us, Oh, Kenny Walker,

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<v Speaker 1>he might have something over here. Brianna's actual boyfriend. They

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<v Speaker 1>told us, well, uh, what's his name? Eric Garner? He

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<v Speaker 1>was selling Lucy's cigarettes. Nicole Bell's man. They tried to

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<v Speaker 1>put off the sparaged up with all types of things

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<v Speaker 1>that Joe Guselan Trump benefield their arrest records from the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Every case we get involved in, Mike Brown, Oh, he

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<v Speaker 1>attacked the man at the store. Every case we get

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<v Speaker 1>involved with, there's a story. There's always a back story.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a backstory. There's some ship. You can come

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<v Speaker 1>right now and say you're gonna help Tamika and it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be some ship. Right. Everybody got a story. But

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<v Speaker 1>it takes a process so that you can know what

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<v Speaker 1>your risks are and how you intend to approach a situation.

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<v Speaker 1>So my thought the day is like, what the hell

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<v Speaker 1>a y'all talking about? And why do people who have

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<v Speaker 1>never been in our positions have so much to say

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<v Speaker 1>about things that they don't have to assume the risk

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<v Speaker 1>for well, my assessment of the situation is that there

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<v Speaker 1>are two types of people. Then people who actually just

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, right. And then there's the type of people

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<v Speaker 1>who just want to hate, right. They just want to

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<v Speaker 1>do anything to to make you look negative and vilify you. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So the people who don't know, they make statements and

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<v Speaker 1>why are you hiring doing anything? And why don't you

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<v Speaker 1>doing this? And what's going on with this? And they

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand exactly high works. And then there are people

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<v Speaker 1>who have unrealistic expectations. Right. They expect you to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about everything that's going on in the world. There's so

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<v Speaker 1>many different things that people were able to see our

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<v Speaker 1>d m s and our emails and see how they're

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<v Speaker 1>flooded with so many different individuals who have an issue, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and and and they will understand that we don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the capacity as organization, let alone individuals, to bring to

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<v Speaker 1>light every issue, every situation that somebody brings to us.

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<v Speaker 1>And everybody feels in the situation that they think is important,

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<v Speaker 1>it's equally as important. There's nobody who doesn't think that

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<v Speaker 1>the boy who was running down the block and he

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<v Speaker 1>got hit with somebody threw a rocket at him, doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>think that's more important than the police that shot him,

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<v Speaker 1>or that the kid that show. Everybody thinks that their

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<v Speaker 1>issue is paramount to everything else. So they're gonna come

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<v Speaker 1>at you. So that's that's why I've taken that. But

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<v Speaker 1>then there's just those people who are actually agent provocateurs, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they sent to try to you know, to defame you

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<v Speaker 1>and make it seem like you're not doing your world.

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<v Speaker 1>They have a little bit more followers. They utilize social media,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's in a in a different plat or a

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<v Speaker 1>different way in which they utilize it to it the

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<v Speaker 1>message that they have is spread all over the place,

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<v Speaker 1>so starts to become a recurrent theme, theme and the

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<v Speaker 1>narrative that people grab onto. So those are two things.

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<v Speaker 1>So what I say is this, we have to continue

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<v Speaker 1>to just do the work right. And I understand how

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<v Speaker 1>it can be demoralizing, and I understand why, like before

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<v Speaker 1>I seeple, like you don't understand why a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>celebrities just don't step up, like you've got a platform

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<v Speaker 1>you to do this and they're vilified, right, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is not their everyday work. Some of them step up

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<v Speaker 1>and just want to say, you know what, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I don't agree with what happened. Man, let me say

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<v Speaker 1>something about it, and people start tearing them down. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>you don't do this, what are you doing this for?

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<v Speaker 1>Or you you should have been did this? Or nobody

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<v Speaker 1>cares what you're saying. Just shut up and dribble or

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<v Speaker 1>shut up and and wrap or whatever it is. So

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<v Speaker 1>it is it is. You know this, this work that

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<v Speaker 1>we do is an everyday process. It has to be

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<v Speaker 1>God's purpose for you because it is very painful, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when you have you know, when you care about your name,

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<v Speaker 1>you care about how you are portrayed, when your reputation

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<v Speaker 1>is like because for me, my reputation is all I

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<v Speaker 1>ever had, you know, prior to getting involved in this

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<v Speaker 1>in the I mean this work doing a client to

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<v Speaker 1>wrap or anything, I was a respected individual because the

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<v Speaker 1>way I carried myself, in the way that I I

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<v Speaker 1>dealt with integrity. And that's that's one thing throughout my

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<v Speaker 1>history of my life that people were always able to

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<v Speaker 1>say about me. And this was the first time, even

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<v Speaker 1>in hip hop music whatever, my integrity was never in question, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it was my talent, my skill level or did he

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<v Speaker 1>wassh up or nobody kids, and I went through all

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<v Speaker 1>of that, but this space people started to attack my

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<v Speaker 1>integrity as a man and calling you scammers and stealers

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<v Speaker 1>and liars and cloud chases and and all of these names.

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<v Speaker 1>So it takes a lot, and it really takes a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>This has to be your caller, you know, so we

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<v Speaker 1>and we we deal with it very well. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that a lot of people, there are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of UM leaders who passed in present who just said,

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<v Speaker 1>fuck it. You know, I'm not doing this, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna I'm not saying nothing will let them deal

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<v Speaker 1>with it. They some of them have quote unquote sold

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<v Speaker 1>out because of that, because they said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing all this fighting for people, and people don't

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<v Speaker 1>give a funk about what I'm doing. They call them

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<v Speaker 1>me all types of names, and I'm not. I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>benefited anywhere, so let me stop benefit. I don't care

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<v Speaker 1>what nobody thinks now because I've lost so much, and

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<v Speaker 1>they attack my own people that I'm trying to say,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to help and I'm trying to do all

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<v Speaker 1>these things for are the ones attacking me. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>just so much that goes in that that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that question that you know your thought of the day

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<v Speaker 1>is very thought provoking. I just asked people, man, just

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<v Speaker 1>to take the time before you write something, before you

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<v Speaker 1>to say something, before you attack somebody for your accused

0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:33.040
<v Speaker 1>somebody solf like somebody wrote today to say you're a scammer,

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, just prove it, show me one person

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<v Speaker 1>I have a scamed or you have to do. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>just don't just go on the internet and just write something,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just throw something into the atmosphere that you

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<v Speaker 1>have no cluefro you have no knowledge of. You just

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<v Speaker 1>heard a narrative and you grabbed onto it and then

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<v Speaker 1>you're spreading it and you're putting it on people you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just asked you know, as individuals, as people,

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<v Speaker 1>as black people, as people in our communities, before you

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<v Speaker 1>attack people that are doing work that you've never done

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<v Speaker 1>and it never will do and don't even understand the

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<v Speaker 1>capacity of which it needs to be done. Just ask yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>do I know what I'm saying? Am I sure about

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying? Am I clear? And I it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make sense that I do my due diligence, that I

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<v Speaker 1>research that I do all of this. Don't understand what

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<v Speaker 1>it takes to do what this individual is doing. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>just just do that, you know, because we were still humans,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're we're human beings just like you. We

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<v Speaker 1>just happened to have a different calling on our lives

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<v Speaker 1>and we move into different space. So you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>just ask people, please, man, before you write someone the internet,

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<v Speaker 1>before you attack somebody, before you call somebody. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, many times brothers have called me names and

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<v Speaker 1>just said names. I'm like, brother, why did you have

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<v Speaker 1>to say that? And I and I said, hey, well

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<v Speaker 1>this what's going on on my fault what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>But you didn't even take the time out to know

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<v Speaker 1>what you meant. You just got so caught up in

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet and and the you know, the moment and

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<v Speaker 1>attacking somebody and disrespecting the individual. Luckily for you, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the type of individ you who understand where you're coming from,

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<v Speaker 1>understand that you come from a place of ignorance and

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<v Speaker 1>not understand it. So I'm not trying to meet you

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<v Speaker 1>with the same energy. But imagine if I was. Imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and this is how misunderstands and everything starts.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just say people just need to take the

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<v Speaker 1>time out, do some research, do some your due diligence

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<v Speaker 1>and research, and this don't attack people, and you don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know what the hell you're talking about. And that

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<v Speaker 1>brings us today's show Man. We have some really special

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<v Speaker 1>guests who have endured so much, you know, and I didn't,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, I'd even understand what was going on

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<v Speaker 1>in what they called the medical mortality situation, and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know about it. I've heard situations, I've heard a

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<v Speaker 1>few things. I've known people who lost their life, but

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<v Speaker 1>just to hear this in this, you know, the facest

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<v Speaker 1>in which they described it and just talked about, I've

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<v Speaker 1>read it up on them and I've heard this story

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<v Speaker 1>and they're really compelling. And both of them are two

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<v Speaker 1>people that I'm definitely are gonna give us some insight

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<v Speaker 1>and be tech as well. Yeah, and what we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about specifically today is focusing on racism within the healthcare industry. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, we know racism exists everywhere everywhere. Anywhere you go,

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<v Speaker 1>anything you're involved in, you can find the signs of

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<v Speaker 1>where racism UH readers its ugly head, even in spaces

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<v Speaker 1>where people are attempting. White folks too are attempting there

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<v Speaker 1>there there with all their heart and mind, and there

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<v Speaker 1>might they're attempting to uh provide equitable space, they're still

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<v Speaker 1>going to be issued just because of how our systems operate.

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<v Speaker 1>And so today, uh, the individuals that we're hearing from, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>these are two people who experience the unthinkable, real painful.

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<v Speaker 1>Trudy Russell, our first guest, she lost her baby and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to preempt her by telling too much

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<v Speaker 1>of her story, but she's teaching us about these new

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<v Speaker 1>terms the help syndrome, as I mentioned, and also, uh,

0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:06.600
<v Speaker 1>how do we say it again? Look it just clins

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<v Speaker 1>via pre e clintens via. I just said it and

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<v Speaker 1>lost it already. But she's teaching us about these new terms.

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<v Speaker 1>And her baby died as a result of it, and

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<v Speaker 1>and and and it just didn't just happen. There was

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<v Speaker 1>serious neglect that got her to this point. And so

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna hear from Trudy Russell and then Bruce McIntyre.

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<v Speaker 1>So would you all are gonna hear is his story

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<v Speaker 1>which we've read up on, um and that's why we

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<v Speaker 1>had him here today. Um. You know his wife was

0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:40.080
<v Speaker 1>also diagnosed with this syndrome, and so he's dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot and we want to support him. Or he

0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:47.760
<v Speaker 1>started an organization UH named after his wife UH and

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<v Speaker 1>I am just to know that he's out there in

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<v Speaker 1>the world raising this baby without a woman that could

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<v Speaker 1>have been helped. Is it's it's heart wrenching, but it's

0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:01.240
<v Speaker 1>also scary. It's scary, and so we're gonna learn a

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<v Speaker 1>lot today and we're gonna be educating on these issues

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<v Speaker 1>for the next few weeks. So let's get to our guests.

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<v Speaker 1>First up, Trudy Russell. We are so we're as we mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>we've been joined by an advocate for women UM, Miss

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<v Speaker 1>Trudy Russell, whose story is truly truly heart wrenching. What

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<v Speaker 1>she has gone through we want to hear more about today.

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<v Speaker 1>But as with so many of the guests that come

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<v Speaker 1>on to UH this platform and that our guests on

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<v Speaker 1>street politicians, she's taken her pain and turned it into

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<v Speaker 1>a passion of helping women, supporting the community UM and

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<v Speaker 1>specifically dealing with women who are challenged with the help syndrome.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a new term. We've been learning a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>it today and pre ecleinspia. That is also a new

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<v Speaker 1>term that I'm learning more about today. And so here

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<v Speaker 1>to tell us about these issues is Trudy Russell. Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>Trudy with us. Hi, how are you? Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>having me so in I was pregnant. I became pregnant

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time, and I was very excited about it. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>when you are pregnant for the first time, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what to expect. There's so many things going on.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened with me was in my sixth month of pregnancy,

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<v Speaker 1>I started getting these very unusual symptoms. UM Bloating is

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<v Speaker 1>normal in pregnancy, but I had bloating and a swelling,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly from my knees to my feet, that were just

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<v Speaker 1>almost like I couldn't walk. I looked like you could

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<v Speaker 1>if you put a pin in me, I would deflate.

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<v Speaker 1>There was something clearly wrong own um, and a girlfriend

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<v Speaker 1>of mine told me, truly, I think you need to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the doctor. Aside from that. Aside from that symptom,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. There was also um vomiting vomiting and my

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<v Speaker 1>sixth uh month of pregnancy that was unusual. I had

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<v Speaker 1>an excruciating headache that would not leave all of these

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<v Speaker 1>were symptoms of what's called pre clincia and help syndrome.

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<v Speaker 1>I go to my doctor under the suggestion, under the

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<v Speaker 1>suggestion of my girlfriend. My doctor is out, I see

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<v Speaker 1>a midwife. I'm from Los Angeles, so I was on

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<v Speaker 1>my way to travel to l a h for the

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<v Speaker 1>Thanksgiving weekend. And I tell her all that's going on

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<v Speaker 1>with me, that I have this nausea. I had a

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<v Speaker 1>headache that was excruciating that just would not leave, and

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<v Speaker 1>I have the swellingness all through my body. She looks

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<v Speaker 1>at me and she tells me that this is normal.

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't say much about the headache uh or the

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<v Speaker 1>nausea that I was experiencing, and she cleared me to

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<v Speaker 1>go to Los Angeles. I once to Los Angeles. I

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<v Speaker 1>was there for Thanksgiving, and the following day tragedy struck.

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<v Speaker 1>My blood pressure spiked up to about two thirty I

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<v Speaker 1>was about to have a stroke. Um when the paramedics came,

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't believe how high my blood pressure was. They

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<v Speaker 1>thought that there that their machines were wrong. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>high the blood pressure was, and I could have had

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<v Speaker 1>a stroke at any moment. They rushed me to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>And I still did not understand what was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, Okay, my baby's coming early. I don't feel well,

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<v Speaker 1>but my baby's coming early. I get to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>I only find out that, oh my god, this is

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<v Speaker 1>something serious when I see the staff running and circling

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<v Speaker 1>around me. So we ran through the hospital on a gurney. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew it was even more serious when they all

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<v Speaker 1>circled around me and prayed, Oh my gosh, the nurses

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<v Speaker 1>and the doctors. The nurses and the doctors were around

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<v Speaker 1>me on the gurney, praying. I had no clue of

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<v Speaker 1>what was happening. Okay. I remember going into the operating

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<v Speaker 1>room and the anesthesiologists saying, say Hawaii. I said, ho what?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was out. When I came to, I was

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<v Speaker 1>in a dark I see you room where my mother

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<v Speaker 1>was there. My my family had come, and a nurse

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<v Speaker 1>and doctor had come to explain to me what had happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea what happened to me. They told

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<v Speaker 1>me you had help syndrome. They told me that your

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<v Speaker 1>baby did not make it. Her name is Journey, and

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<v Speaker 1>that I was also on the brink of death. So

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<v Speaker 1>now to tell me, Well, first, of all, let's just

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<v Speaker 1>stop for a second in that. Um, you know, God

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<v Speaker 1>rests the soul of journey. Obviously, Journey is living through you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry about what you've been through. It. As

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<v Speaker 1>I'm listening to you speak, I'm first of all thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about the many reasons why I've never had children, But

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<v Speaker 1>one of them is because of how bad the treatment was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was very young pregnant, you know, I was eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>years old. So it's even worse at that age when

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<v Speaker 1>they just shuttle you and shuff shuffle you replaced the

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<v Speaker 1>place no one cares about your issues, your concerns. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it just was a traumatic experience that we

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<v Speaker 1>won't go into too much right now, but I know

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<v Speaker 1>what you're talking about. It is so you mean you

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<v Speaker 1>never had any more children because you have you do

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<v Speaker 1>have a sup Sorry, The reason why I never had

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<v Speaker 1>any right a second child, I have more exactly excuse me,

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<v Speaker 1>why I didn't have any more children is because of

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<v Speaker 1>how I had been treated. And so this this, this

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of that the help syndrome. It's so like

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<v Speaker 1>it's so real to me. Yes, so the so the

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<v Speaker 1>help syndrome is an even more exaggerated form of pre

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<v Speaker 1>clempsia what pre clemson is, and many women experienced. Beyonce

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<v Speaker 1>experienced it in her pregnancy with the twins. Um Mariah

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<v Speaker 1>Carey has experienced it. I think j Lo as well.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens is later on in your pregnancy, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>condition that comes on, right, there is no sign of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It just comes on in the pregnancy where your blood

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<v Speaker 1>pressure spikes up. Right. When that happens, they have to

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<v Speaker 1>test you for different things, They have to see if

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<v Speaker 1>protein is in your urine. They have to follow you

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<v Speaker 1>because what can happen is you can end up dying

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<v Speaker 1>on the birthing table. Right, So what was Once I

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<v Speaker 1>processed everything that had happened to me, and it took

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<v Speaker 1>a while, right, I had to go to therapy. It

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<v Speaker 1>was extremely traumatic. One of the questions that I was

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<v Speaker 1>left with and I'm still left with, is why was

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<v Speaker 1>I cleared to get on a plane and go across

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<v Speaker 1>the country. I told a medical provider about my experience

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<v Speaker 1>and my symptoms, and immediately she should have known what

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<v Speaker 1>to do, but she cleared me right. I have since

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<v Speaker 1>had another child, her name is Mahogany. The care that

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<v Speaker 1>I got through Columbia doctors. Because of my medical history,

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<v Speaker 1>I was high risk. These people monitored me from the

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<v Speaker 1>time I let them know that I was pregnant up

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<v Speaker 1>until delivery. But the care that I got was so

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<v Speaker 1>it was vastly different than what I had previously experienced

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<v Speaker 1>in in my second pregnancy, I had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>trauma in particularly in the six months, because I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it was gonna come on again. Um. I

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<v Speaker 1>had to do things like keep stress levels down. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I was on bid rest for particular time. UM, if

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<v Speaker 1>there was any symptoms of a headache of anything, I

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<v Speaker 1>had to let them know immediately. I mean they were

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<v Speaker 1>on me like white on rice. So I have there

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<v Speaker 1>was a there's a juxtaposition between the care that I

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<v Speaker 1>got in and the care that I got in extremely different.

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<v Speaker 1>The midwife that I had, it's very it's very very

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<v Speaker 1>involved in black issues with black women. She's not black herself,

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<v Speaker 1>But what made me trust her with me was her awareness,

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<v Speaker 1>her understanding what I went through. Actually, question, I've I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard of this, you know, Um, I have two younger children,

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<v Speaker 1>have three actually children. But and I've actually heard women

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<v Speaker 1>who have been on bed rest for months like they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't do anything. Literally, for two to three of the

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<v Speaker 1>last months of their pregnancy, they weren't allowed to even

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<v Speaker 1>get out of bed understaid they were that high risk.

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<v Speaker 1>How common is this? Okay? So here's the thing. What

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<v Speaker 1>I've been told is it's very common in women of color,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly the Black community. Mm hmm. So why I have

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<v Speaker 1>become such an advocate of my community for birthing women,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because a lot of us do not know about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Right from my understanding, You're gonna have a guest coming

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<v Speaker 1>up after me. Now the story that you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>hear from him. His girlfriend died from what I had,

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<v Speaker 1>so we went through the exact same thing. But I

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<v Speaker 1>am living and she is not. So it is very

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<v Speaker 1>very serious. So what so what exactly do you do?

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<v Speaker 1>What you do? You know, I see what you I

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<v Speaker 1>see where the motivation comes from, you know. And once again,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to send my condolencence for the lawsuit

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<v Speaker 1>of your daughter. But like like Tamka says, and we

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<v Speaker 1>always say, we usually find our purpose through our pain

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<v Speaker 1>and our tragedy. You know. So your your daughter inspired

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<v Speaker 1>and motivated you to help hundreds of thousands, maybe even

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of thousands of people along the way. So what

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<v Speaker 1>exactly is the service that you provide? So the service

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<v Speaker 1>that I provide, I have teamed up with organizations like

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<v Speaker 1>the pre Clincia Foundation. Year after this happened, I've teamed

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<v Speaker 1>up to with them. UM. I have also teamed up

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<v Speaker 1>with the March for Mom's organization. This is a new

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<v Speaker 1>organization that was brought to my attention more recently where

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted me to lend my voice and my story

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<v Speaker 1>to their platform and calling on UH policymakers to change, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>the the what is the word I'm looking for? They

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<v Speaker 1>want they basically want to change the treatment for women

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<v Speaker 1>of color within the health care system. So so they're

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<v Speaker 1>called so they were calling on Congress to see what

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<v Speaker 1>they could do and see if there are any policies

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<v Speaker 1>that can be made so that families can keep their

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<v Speaker 1>dignity in the midst of such tragedy. Right, UM, so

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<v Speaker 1>that women can can can walk away feeling like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they did get the best health care that they could,

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<v Speaker 1>that they weren't just ignored you know all these Um,

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<v Speaker 1>the narrative is that black women can can take more,

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<v Speaker 1>that we have a higher tolerance for pain. Uh. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is what's happened, but you'll be okay, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so at that time, I wasn't aware of all

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<v Speaker 1>of this, But now that I have the knowledge, I

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<v Speaker 1>understand that that's what I experienced, That's what happened to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I told them, this is what's happening, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>brushed off and I could have died. What are we

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<v Speaker 1>doing about younger women? Again, I was eighteen years old,

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<v Speaker 1>So you know the organizations that you work with, the

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<v Speaker 1>pre Eclipsia Foundation and others, are they focused on young

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<v Speaker 1>girls and particularly young girls of color and making sure

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<v Speaker 1>that they get the information. Because you mentioned that Columbia

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<v Speaker 1>did a different you know, did it did it differently

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<v Speaker 1>for you? Right? They did a better job of caring

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<v Speaker 1>for you. But I have to make sure that you

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<v Speaker 1>always acknowledge that you were more educated. So while they

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<v Speaker 1>may have been better, you also were coming to them

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<v Speaker 1>with mahogany in your stomach, knowing what you had gone

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<v Speaker 1>through and being not able to ask the right questions.

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<v Speaker 1>But so many of our young girls we get pregnant

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<v Speaker 1>and we don't even know about pre native vitamins exactly, exactly, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think that so with these organizations, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that there's so much geared towards younger women. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that the idea is just pregnant women, birthing women,

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<v Speaker 1>UM midwife or even even people who are helping birth

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<v Speaker 1>and women right getting the education that that they need

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<v Speaker 1>to support people in my position. Right, Um. I also

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<v Speaker 1>think that education is key. Aware, this is key. I

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<v Speaker 1>went into my pregnancy with Journey not knowing anything, just

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<v Speaker 1>like you said to me, because we don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>about you know, prenatal vitamins right let alone, you can

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<v Speaker 1>die from giving birth just being pregnant. No one talks

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<v Speaker 1>about that. It's very tabooed, right, So I think that

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<v Speaker 1>you know me lending my story and my voice and

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<v Speaker 1>my passion towards this, um, whether it's young woman, middle

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<v Speaker 1>and age or older, it's something that is necessary and

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<v Speaker 1>it's real, especially in our community. We can act you

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<v Speaker 1>one more thing, um, you you just you broke that

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<v Speaker 1>down so eloquently. Can you give us like some warning

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<v Speaker 1>signs because some people might not And after you give

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<v Speaker 1>us like some warning signs, can you just give it?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have like a website where can you know

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<v Speaker 1>certain places that young girls or women in general who

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<v Speaker 1>are experiencing this and just want to know some more

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<v Speaker 1>information about can they go to Absolutely so. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>in my experience, some of the warning signs with pre

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<v Speaker 1>clumsia that can even lead to help syndrome is if

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<v Speaker 1>you have a headache, say something that is the first thing. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a headache later in your pregnancy, you speak up.

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<v Speaker 1>You go to your health provider and you say this

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<v Speaker 1>is happening and I need you to do something about it.

0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Monitor me, okay. UM. If you have swelling that seems

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:32.000
<v Speaker 1>not normal right to the point where if you feel uncomfortable,

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:35.880
<v Speaker 1>if you're feeling tight, right, you go to your medical provider.

0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:39.960
<v Speaker 1>You tell them what's happening. UM. If you are vomiting

0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:44.280
<v Speaker 1>in your six months of pregnancy that is not normal,

0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:48.520
<v Speaker 1>go to them and tell them this is what's happening.

0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:51.680
<v Speaker 1>In terms of research, UM, if you want to do

0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:55.799
<v Speaker 1>more research on this, go to the Precumcy Foundation. They

0:40:55.840 --> 0:41:00.279
<v Speaker 1>have all the symptoms and everything, um that you can

0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:02.840
<v Speaker 1>find with regard to this. And if you're on the

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:06.520
<v Speaker 1>opposite side of it, if you are an expecting mother

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:09.759
<v Speaker 1>or someone who has been in my position but did

0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 1>not survive this, or a loved one did not survive it.

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Go to the March from moms uh dot org foundation

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:21.640
<v Speaker 1>it is they are the advocates who are going to

0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:25.360
<v Speaker 1>fight for you and go to Congress to make sure

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:28.440
<v Speaker 1>that something can be done, that this is not swept

0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:31.359
<v Speaker 1>under under the rug and that we don't matter. We

0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:34.440
<v Speaker 1>do absolutely. How can people help you? Give us some

0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:38.640
<v Speaker 1>information for how they can donate support you. So I

0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:41.400
<v Speaker 1>would say you can donate to um the March for

0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:44.760
<v Speaker 1>mom March from moms dot org. You can even donate

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 1>to the pre clumsy of Foundation. UM. My social my

0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:54.239
<v Speaker 1>social media is at journeys dot mother Jo. You are

0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:59.600
<v Speaker 1>in e y s dot mother. UH. That's that is

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:05.400
<v Speaker 1>my Instagram. I have also written an article with surrounding

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:09.839
<v Speaker 1>this UH for Women's Health magazine, so you can find

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:13.480
<v Speaker 1>that in my bio on my Instagram and please just

0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:17.960
<v Speaker 1>just make yourself aware. Thank you, Thank you very much.

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:21.879
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for having me. Your energy is amazing, your

0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:25.040
<v Speaker 1>story is amazing. Just seeing how you're able to persevere

0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:29.160
<v Speaker 1>and utilize tragedy and just find a purpose and continue

0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:31.880
<v Speaker 1>to help other people and you know and inform people,

0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 1>it's just a blessing. So we want to say thank

0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 1>you for me thank you, thank you, And I just

0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:39.680
<v Speaker 1>want to say one last thing. When I lost Journey,

0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:45.239
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to leave this earth, right. It was so traumatic,

0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:48.839
<v Speaker 1>so much happened to me, right. I never thought, and

0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:51.920
<v Speaker 1>this is for somebody out there. I never thought that

0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:55.399
<v Speaker 1>what I went through would be my platform to help

0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:58.120
<v Speaker 1>someone else. So if you are going through something and

0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:00.759
<v Speaker 1>you feel like you cannot make it to that next level,

0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:03.759
<v Speaker 1>you will. You know why because I'm here and I'm

0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:08.400
<v Speaker 1>here telling it Trudy Russell. Folks, make sure that you

0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:12.480
<v Speaker 1>all follow her journeys dot mother on Instagram and keep

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 1>up with her work and less support. Trudy, thank you

0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 1>so much for your certain thank you, thank you, bye bye.

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:21.799
<v Speaker 1>Before we go to the next segment and have our

0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:24.279
<v Speaker 1>special guests joint, we're gonna take a quick break for

0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:28.719
<v Speaker 1>our sponsors. That's how we are. So just listening to

0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Trudy's story, you know, and seeing that she still has

0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:36.240
<v Speaker 1>this energy man losing the door, I couldn't even imagine

0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:40.160
<v Speaker 1>what she was feeling. But seeing how that pain, you know,

0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 1>pushed her to a passion to try to save and

0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:47.160
<v Speaker 1>help others and inform others, It's something that's definitely commendable. Yeah,

0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:50.239
<v Speaker 1>I want to drill down with her and others on

0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:53.280
<v Speaker 1>how we really help young girls. I know what she said,

0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:56.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, when I asked her what do we what

0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:59.880
<v Speaker 1>do we do to help get this information to young girls,

0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:03.840
<v Speaker 1>particularly young Black and brown girls who are having children,

0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:08.279
<v Speaker 1>she said that the organizations that she works with they

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:12.719
<v Speaker 1>deal with women in general, and and I totally understand that,

0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:16.239
<v Speaker 1>but I think that folks don't don't know how important

0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:20.040
<v Speaker 1>it is to drill down on particularly in communities, and

0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:24.480
<v Speaker 1>young girls need a specific way that they reached. Which

0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:28.000
<v Speaker 1>means that some of our celebrities, who we only hear

0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Beyonce talking about this all the time, you know, I'm

0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:34.120
<v Speaker 1>sure you know, it's truly mentioned that Beyonce experienced a

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:38.440
<v Speaker 1>similar situation. Well other artists, even people who have children,

0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:40.880
<v Speaker 1>people who don't. They need to be out there talking

0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:44.200
<v Speaker 1>about it. Influencers need to be talking about the fact

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:47.480
<v Speaker 1>that young girls need to turn to these organizations and

0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:50.160
<v Speaker 1>get help and also be educated. And the other thing

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:53.720
<v Speaker 1>is I think that the Black Duela movement, the Black Duelers,

0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:57.000
<v Speaker 1>these are these are women, midwives and women who are

0:44:57.080 --> 0:45:02.799
<v Speaker 1>helping people to have children. They can Adula can be

0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:05.359
<v Speaker 1>with you in the hospital and or they can set

0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:09.160
<v Speaker 1>up a home birth right UM, and that we need

0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:12.319
<v Speaker 1>to invest in that because you need an advocate when

0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:14.960
<v Speaker 1>you go to the hospital for any reason, not just

0:45:15.800 --> 0:45:18.239
<v Speaker 1>for having a child. If you go because your toe

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:21.799
<v Speaker 1>is stuff. If you don't have the right information, if

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:24.440
<v Speaker 1>you don't have the right help, you can end up

0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:28.000
<v Speaker 1>losing your foot. So you need an advocate. You need

0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:30.560
<v Speaker 1>people that can help us speak for you. So I

0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:35.520
<v Speaker 1>guess that brings us to our next guest. So you

0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:39.040
<v Speaker 1>heard Trudy I mentioned this next young man. We talked

0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:43.320
<v Speaker 1>about him earlier, UM and his story another heart wrenching

0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:48.120
<v Speaker 1>story that unfortunately is something we have to learn more about. UM.

0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:51.400
<v Speaker 1>We are getting into a lot of things within the

0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:56.479
<v Speaker 1>health care system. We've been talking about medical kidnapping, We're

0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:59.239
<v Speaker 1>we've been talking about trafficking and how much of that

0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:02.879
<v Speaker 1>is happening straight from the hospital. And now today we're

0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 1>covering this issue of maternal death UM and maternal issues,

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:12.360
<v Speaker 1>maternal health and the racism that exists within the health

0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:16.000
<v Speaker 1>care system. And right now we're gonna hear from Bruce McIntyre.

0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:18.719
<v Speaker 1>He's gonna tell us more about his story and what

0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:23.720
<v Speaker 1>happened to Um the mother of his child. Unfortunately she's

0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:27.040
<v Speaker 1>not with us anymore. And the story, the journey that

0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Bruce has been through has truly been one that we

0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:33.800
<v Speaker 1>should be paying attention to and learning from. He's also

0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:37.120
<v Speaker 1>the founder of Savor Rose Foundation and certainly we want

0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 1>to support him. So welcome Bruce. Thank you so much

0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:42.240
<v Speaker 1>for being with us today. Thank you all for having

0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:47.400
<v Speaker 1>we So Bruce, how are you doing today? Man? Hanging

0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:49.399
<v Speaker 1>in there, my brother hanging in there. But I'm I'm

0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:51.400
<v Speaker 1>always working, I'm always moving and trying to do his

0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:54.600
<v Speaker 1>best for the community and my people. So amen. A

0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:59.640
<v Speaker 1>fellow Bronx native actually from my hood, all the Hybrid

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 1>section into the Bronx Um. I know your father, I

0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:04.640
<v Speaker 1>know a lot of your family members. We've talked, we

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:07.759
<v Speaker 1>met before, and I'm just to see this work that

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:11.800
<v Speaker 1>you're doing. You know, it's phenomenal and you know, unfortunately,

0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:14.359
<v Speaker 1>like you know, we just had another guest on them

0:47:14.920 --> 0:47:19.960
<v Speaker 1>on this Truty who work was inspired by you know,

0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:23.080
<v Speaker 1>pain and trauma. You know, unfortunately we have to go

0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:25.560
<v Speaker 1>through something like that's pretty much the story of my life.

0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:30.440
<v Speaker 1>My my incarceration, you know, and falsely imprisonment led me

0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:34.160
<v Speaker 1>to be an advocate against such. So you know, give

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:38.080
<v Speaker 1>give us uh synopsis of your story and and tell

0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:42.120
<v Speaker 1>us what led you to the Sable Roles Foundation. So

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:47.720
<v Speaker 1>what let me too finding saver Rose was I lost

0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:50.919
<v Speaker 1>my my wife, my my life partner, my soul made

0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:54.920
<v Speaker 1>ambirose Isaac on April twenty one, two thousand twenty and

0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:59.880
<v Speaker 1>due to medical negligence while she was giving birth, she

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:04.759
<v Speaker 1>actually passed away while giving birth to my son um,

0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:06.840
<v Speaker 1>so she never even got to meet my son, hold

0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:12.480
<v Speaker 1>my son. Ah. You know, this wasn't something that was

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:15.240
<v Speaker 1>that happened out of the blue. It was a pregnancy

0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:18.240
<v Speaker 1>that we planned for back in August two thousand nineteen.

0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:22.280
<v Speaker 1>We found out we were expecting in September two thousand nineteen.

0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:25.759
<v Speaker 1>Very excited for both of us. We were both doing

0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:29.759
<v Speaker 1>great things. I had just uh secured a position in

0:48:29.840 --> 0:48:33.319
<v Speaker 1>Wall Street. I was a financial loan advisor before the

0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:37.080
<v Speaker 1>pandemic hit. And she was she actually had earned her

0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:41.280
<v Speaker 1>her bachelor's in psychology. She wanted to teach art therapy

0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:44.520
<v Speaker 1>to the youth as a way of self expression. Um

0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:47.200
<v Speaker 1>and then she became on to becoming a an early

0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:49.279
<v Speaker 1>life educator. She was a school teacher. She was the

0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:53.200
<v Speaker 1>head school teacher. UM took care of the youth and

0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:56.800
<v Speaker 1>and was really concerned for the youth in their future. UM.

0:48:56.880 --> 0:48:59.960
<v Speaker 1>She while she was pregnant, she was also earning her

0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 1>master's degree in business development. She didn't like the way

0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:07.480
<v Speaker 1>that the schools were operating in Harlem, and she wanted

0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:11.680
<v Speaker 1>to make those changes and she wanted to UM she

0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:14.680
<v Speaker 1>wanted to have programs for these children's with you know,

0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:18.759
<v Speaker 1>extracurricular activities and um you know things and such, so

0:49:18.840 --> 0:49:22.240
<v Speaker 1>these these children can you know, be prepared for their futures.

0:49:22.280 --> 0:49:26.120
<v Speaker 1>So she really wrapped her whole career around the children.

0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:29.000
<v Speaker 1>She believed that by saving the children is how we

0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:31.880
<v Speaker 1>save our future. And UM she was she was a

0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:38.320
<v Speaker 1>firm believer in that. And she was actually expected to

0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:42.040
<v Speaker 1>graduate May two thousand twenty, but she passed away a

0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:45.319
<v Speaker 1>from two thousand twenty. And uh, you know, during this

0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:49.759
<v Speaker 1>whole time while she's pregnant, UM able to be by

0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:52.120
<v Speaker 1>her side. My my job is lenient enough for me

0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:55.200
<v Speaker 1>to go to these um you know, her appointments and

0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:57.920
<v Speaker 1>drive her to her appointments and all that stuff. UM.

0:49:57.960 --> 0:49:59.680
<v Speaker 1>So I was there with her every step of the way,

0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:05.200
<v Speaker 1>as I should be as a bother. And uh, you know,

0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:08.560
<v Speaker 1>I didn't feel comfortable with our first visit with the

0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:10.400
<v Speaker 1>O b g y N because you know, the O

0:50:10.520 --> 0:50:13.120
<v Speaker 1>b g y N was more concerned with us having

0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:17.040
<v Speaker 1>a child and our marital status because we weren't married.

0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:19.600
<v Speaker 1>We were having a child and we weren't we weren't married,

0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:24.080
<v Speaker 1>and we were feeling judged immediately. Well, see what they

0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:28.200
<v Speaker 1>actually what was the what was the conversation like about it?

0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:31.080
<v Speaker 1>How did it even come into She was actually Amber's

0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:34.240
<v Speaker 1>O b g y n since uh, since two thousand fourteen,

0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:37.320
<v Speaker 1>probably a little earlier before then, So she's known Amber

0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:40.720
<v Speaker 1>for a long time. Um, and she knew that Amber

0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:43.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't have any children, and she asked me if I

0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:46.720
<v Speaker 1>had children. So I did have children from a previous

0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:50.279
<v Speaker 1>engagement down south, and you know I told her that

0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:54.120
<v Speaker 1>I have children, uh, and she kind of just give

0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:57.759
<v Speaker 1>me the gave me the screw face. And Um, that

0:50:57.840 --> 0:51:00.000
<v Speaker 1>made me feel really uncomfortable, and that made me feel

0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:02.800
<v Speaker 1>like I was being judged as a black man. And

0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:07.359
<v Speaker 1>basically the O b g Yan was unprofessional. She had

0:51:07.440 --> 0:51:12.480
<v Speaker 1>got her personal feelings involved in the profession that she

0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:14.200
<v Speaker 1>should have been doing her job as a o b

0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:17.040
<v Speaker 1>g y N and she wanted to have her personal

0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:19.800
<v Speaker 1>feelings and world, how you having a kid and she doesn't.

0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:25.320
<v Speaker 1>All these things got involved exactly and we felt like then, Um,

0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:27.880
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't being as attensive to Hamper and it was

0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:31.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of just passing Amber um along to two other

0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:35.320
<v Speaker 1>O b's and um, you know, just not really caring

0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:39.200
<v Speaker 1>for Amper. And you know, skip fast forward, we're coming

0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:44.560
<v Speaker 1>into her second trimester and you know she's feeling and

0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:48.160
<v Speaker 1>she's feeling ill. She you know, her her body and

0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:53.759
<v Speaker 1>her conditioning is weakening, and you know where bringing these

0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:58.560
<v Speaker 1>concerns up to her O B g y N and

0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:00.239
<v Speaker 1>her O B g y and just kept brush her

0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:05.040
<v Speaker 1>all people more, Um wasn't really answering her questions, was

0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:07.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of just giving her the runaround, having her do

0:52:08.120 --> 0:52:12.080
<v Speaker 1>extra things that she didn't necessarily have to do. Um,

0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:13.960
<v Speaker 1>just because I guess they didn't want to fill out

0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:16.560
<v Speaker 1>paperwork or they were just being lazy. I don't know

0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:28.640
<v Speaker 1>what the case was. Um. She Uh, it's it's tough

0:52:28.680 --> 0:52:31.719
<v Speaker 1>to have to relive these things, and but it's it's

0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:34.600
<v Speaker 1>very much necessary because it's it's it's something that does

0:52:34.760 --> 0:52:40.319
<v Speaker 1>need to be told. Uh, you know where we're transitioning

0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:44.279
<v Speaker 1>from the second trimesses to the third. Uh, COVID is

0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:49.959
<v Speaker 1>right around the corner. And I do want to add

0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:52.560
<v Speaker 1>this in there and make sure that it's highlighted. Amber's

0:52:52.560 --> 0:52:58.400
<v Speaker 1>platelet levels actually started deteriorating December two thousand nineteen. COVID

0:52:58.520 --> 0:53:02.840
<v Speaker 1>wasn't announced until late February, and then it wasn't implemented

0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:06.279
<v Speaker 1>in the city until March two thousand twenty. So they're

0:53:06.280 --> 0:53:09.240
<v Speaker 1>trying to use COVID. Is this excuse to why Amber

0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:12.240
<v Speaker 1>was being neglected when she was neglected well before COVID

0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:15.960
<v Speaker 1>was even they had an excuse for her being neglected.

0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:20.719
<v Speaker 1>They said, because of COVID, she didn't receive Wow. Yes,

0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:23.879
<v Speaker 1>the stock market had crashed three times in the span

0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:26.080
<v Speaker 1>of three weeks. That's the first time that this has

0:53:26.120 --> 0:53:29.120
<v Speaker 1>ever happened since the Great Depression. And um, you know,

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:31.279
<v Speaker 1>my job is preparing me and telling me to get

0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:35.000
<v Speaker 1>everything ready, and um, you know, because we don't know

0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:36.640
<v Speaker 1>how this whole thing is about the playout. So I'm

0:53:36.680 --> 0:53:39.040
<v Speaker 1>letting Amber know. You know, we need to get our

0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:41.400
<v Speaker 1>from l A papers ready. We need to get everything

0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:43.760
<v Speaker 1>ready for this pregnancy. You need to get everything ready

0:53:43.800 --> 0:53:47.640
<v Speaker 1>from from your job. Um, and so she's trying to

0:53:47.719 --> 0:53:52.040
<v Speaker 1>get you know, fm L a job security disability, things

0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:53.719
<v Speaker 1>like that while she's going to be out of work

0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:58.879
<v Speaker 1>during the pregnancy. And you know, she she brings these

0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:02.160
<v Speaker 1>concerns to her O. B g y N because they're

0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:04.759
<v Speaker 1>they're getting ready to to uh to put us in

0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:11.759
<v Speaker 1>um what was it, uh telehealth. They were getting ready

0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:13.759
<v Speaker 1>to set up telehealth. This is the first time they've

0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:16.880
<v Speaker 1>done telethealth where they're gonna do everything from home and

0:54:16.920 --> 0:54:19.799
<v Speaker 1>all this stuff while her platelets a hard deteriorating. But

0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:22.000
<v Speaker 1>we we don't even know this that at this time

0:54:22.040 --> 0:54:23.680
<v Speaker 1>because our O B g y N is not making

0:54:23.760 --> 0:54:30.400
<v Speaker 1>us aware of her conditions. And you know, we we

0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:36.600
<v Speaker 1>end up going in February, late February to get some

0:54:36.600 --> 0:54:39.320
<v Speaker 1>blood work done to see what's going on with Amber's

0:54:39.320 --> 0:54:42.479
<v Speaker 1>body while she's not feeling well. Um, and we don't

0:54:42.480 --> 0:54:44.839
<v Speaker 1>hear anything from the doctors. We don't hear anything from

0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:48.759
<v Speaker 1>the hospital. Uh. You know, they put us on telehealth

0:54:48.800 --> 0:54:54.200
<v Speaker 1>and and all throughout March asked her platelet levels are deteriorating,

0:54:55.000 --> 0:54:58.520
<v Speaker 1>and she her body and you know, her body's weakening.

0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:03.319
<v Speaker 1>They're telling her, oh, here take these iron pills and

0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:05.680
<v Speaker 1>go buy your own blood pressure monitor and keep up

0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:08.080
<v Speaker 1>with your blood pressure. Let us know how you feel

0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:12.120
<v Speaker 1>next week's but not to go to the hospital. But

0:55:12.200 --> 0:55:14.879
<v Speaker 1>not to go to the hospital. You know, she's letting

0:55:14.920 --> 0:55:18.520
<v Speaker 1>them know. They're they're not they're not you know, they're

0:55:18.520 --> 0:55:20.480
<v Speaker 1>not doing anything about it. They're just telling her, oh,

0:55:20.640 --> 0:55:23.440
<v Speaker 1>take take your pills and follow back up with us

0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:27.319
<v Speaker 1>next week. And it was the same thing continuously. It

0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:30.680
<v Speaker 1>was just it was such a perpetuated cycle. And uh,

0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:34.719
<v Speaker 1>we're trying to get everything secure for her fm l A.

0:55:35.160 --> 0:55:38.240
<v Speaker 1>We go to the O. B. G. Y n Um Ambers,

0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:41.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, expressing her concerns because she does work with

0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:45.000
<v Speaker 1>students and she's working around children. There are parents who

0:55:45.000 --> 0:55:48.480
<v Speaker 1>are bringing their their children to school without um. We're

0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:50.920
<v Speaker 1>in the pandemic. There's there's people who are bringing their

0:55:51.000 --> 0:55:56.040
<v Speaker 1>children to school with no doctor's notes, which is not allowed. Uh,

0:55:56.239 --> 0:55:59.800
<v Speaker 1>you know the schools accepting this. There are children coughing, sneezing,

0:56:00.000 --> 0:56:03.120
<v Speaker 1>being saliva all over Amber. Um, she's you know, in

0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:05.919
<v Speaker 1>her second trimester, transitioning to her third. When she goes

0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:09.040
<v Speaker 1>to grab children, um, they're kicking her in the stomach

0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:14.640
<v Speaker 1>for um. You know, her her her health was deteriorating,

0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:17.520
<v Speaker 1>so it was very hard for her to breathe as well.

0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:20.560
<v Speaker 1>But she's compantly having to carry and pick up kids

0:56:20.680 --> 0:56:24.200
<v Speaker 1>up and downstairs um with you know, with no help.

0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:26.640
<v Speaker 1>And she's expressingly to her her O b g y

0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:29.879
<v Speaker 1>M because we're we're do May thirty, two thousand twenty,

0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:35.160
<v Speaker 1>that's how duty. And instead of leaving in May, her

0:56:35.239 --> 0:56:38.840
<v Speaker 1>her due month, she's trying to leave for April instead

0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:42.680
<v Speaker 1>because of how she's feeling. And you know, the O

0:56:42.800 --> 0:56:45.480
<v Speaker 1>b g y N is telling her, you know, well,

0:56:45.520 --> 0:56:47.640
<v Speaker 1>there are other pregnant women who are working in this

0:56:47.800 --> 0:56:51.040
<v Speaker 1>office right now. Why shouldn't you be able to work?

0:56:51.120 --> 0:56:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Why should you have to get off early? Her health

0:56:55.120 --> 0:56:58.800
<v Speaker 1>is deteriorating still at this time, rapidly, and we're still

0:56:59.160 --> 0:57:04.560
<v Speaker 1>kunaware of it. And so rolls Rolls goes into labor

0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:10.120
<v Speaker 1>and she passes away. And what does the O b

0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:12.359
<v Speaker 1>g y N say at this point? Does she ever

0:57:12.440 --> 0:57:14.160
<v Speaker 1>even look you in the face and say, damn, I

0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:17.600
<v Speaker 1>should listen. She's ducking in dodger right now. She's ducking

0:57:17.600 --> 0:57:19.920
<v Speaker 1>in dodging right now. And I'm still dealing with the system.

0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:23.760
<v Speaker 1>But the thing is also is you know, she has people,

0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:26.200
<v Speaker 1>we have family members that are working in this medical

0:57:26.240 --> 0:57:30.120
<v Speaker 1>system as well. And there are white women who whom

0:57:30.120 --> 0:57:35.400
<v Speaker 1>are due after Amber, who are healthy, getting early fim A,

0:57:35.480 --> 0:57:40.240
<v Speaker 1>early em A, getting early disability. But yeah, Amber's health

0:57:40.320 --> 0:57:44.160
<v Speaker 1>is actually deteriorating and she doesn't get granted such options.

0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:47.760
<v Speaker 1>So that's O B G I and a white woman.

0:57:48.760 --> 0:57:52.160
<v Speaker 1>She was actually an Indian woman, actually an Indian woman.

0:57:52.320 --> 0:57:55.200
<v Speaker 1>But there there were some some some white people within

0:57:55.280 --> 0:58:00.080
<v Speaker 1>the within the system that I've done us wrong as well. Um,

0:58:00.120 --> 0:58:02.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, her mother actually worked at Monseifia as well,

0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:04.560
<v Speaker 1>she worked at a different Monts of Fire facility. We

0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:07.320
<v Speaker 1>actually received the same treatment from two different Months of

0:58:07.320 --> 0:58:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Fire facilities, which makes me believe that this is systemic, uh,

0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:15.920
<v Speaker 1>because we we ended up leaving the first Monseifia that

0:58:15.960 --> 0:58:19.320
<v Speaker 1>we were at due to the negligence, and we ended

0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:24.240
<v Speaker 1>up going to Montfire Einstein, where her mother has worked

0:58:24.280 --> 0:58:27.120
<v Speaker 1>for twenty five years out of Amber's twenty six years

0:58:27.120 --> 0:58:29.600
<v Speaker 1>of life. And you still weren't able to get the

0:58:29.680 --> 0:58:33.120
<v Speaker 1>right treatment, not at all. So did she now? Trudy

0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Russell told us that pre eclem pre eclemsia um is

0:58:39.320 --> 0:58:42.880
<v Speaker 1>was her health issue. Is that the same thing that

0:58:43.000 --> 0:58:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Rolls had or does she have something different? So Amber

0:58:46.360 --> 0:58:50.400
<v Speaker 1>had help syndrome, which gets mistaken for proclemsia, and I'm

0:58:50.400 --> 0:58:55.280
<v Speaker 1>sorry Amber Rose, Amber Rose, yes, just road but but

0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:59.080
<v Speaker 1>but I think I think Trudy had health syndrome also too.

0:58:59.240 --> 0:59:02.600
<v Speaker 1>She said first that knows and then they said she

0:59:02.640 --> 0:59:05.560
<v Speaker 1>had helped him. Yeah, but they didn't know what what

0:59:05.680 --> 0:59:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Amber had until until the day that they induced her labor.

0:59:09.400 --> 0:59:11.520
<v Speaker 1>So they had all this time to figure it out.

0:59:11.960 --> 0:59:14.280
<v Speaker 1>But they decided that they were gonna wait, and they didn't.

0:59:14.400 --> 0:59:16.360
<v Speaker 1>They didn't find what she had until the day that

0:59:16.400 --> 0:59:19.240
<v Speaker 1>she that they induced her labor. UM. We actually went

0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:24.880
<v Speaker 1>um in April. In April UM, we decided that we

0:59:24.880 --> 0:59:27.920
<v Speaker 1>were going to uh. We were facing so much negligence

0:59:27.920 --> 0:59:29.960
<v Speaker 1>from the hospitals. We decided that we're going to hire

0:59:30.000 --> 0:59:33.760
<v Speaker 1>midwives and doulas and we sent our information over to

0:59:34.160 --> 0:59:37.520
<v Speaker 1>a midwife. After finally getting our my child updated, which

0:59:37.520 --> 0:59:41.560
<v Speaker 1>took months to to to complete. UM, we sent that

0:59:41.560 --> 0:59:43.840
<v Speaker 1>stuff over to our midwife and our midwife was the

0:59:43.840 --> 0:59:45.800
<v Speaker 1>one that protected it and she, you know, she told

0:59:45.880 --> 0:59:48.400
<v Speaker 1>us that she couldn't take Amber on as a client

0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:51.680
<v Speaker 1>because Amber was too high risk at that point, so

0:59:51.720 --> 0:59:54.640
<v Speaker 1>she couldn't be seen by uh, you know, a midwife,

0:59:54.720 --> 0:59:56.720
<v Speaker 1>or she couldn't go to a birthing center. We had

0:59:56.760 --> 1:00:00.000
<v Speaker 1>to go to a hospital. We had no other choice. Uh.

1:00:01.040 --> 1:00:03.600
<v Speaker 1>And she was telling us to like, she doesn't understand

1:00:03.760 --> 1:00:08.960
<v Speaker 1>why Amber is not being seen weekly, you know. And

1:00:09.040 --> 1:00:11.320
<v Speaker 1>she was the one that caught it and really explained

1:00:11.320 --> 1:00:13.320
<v Speaker 1>what was going on to us because the O G

1:00:13.560 --> 1:00:16.520
<v Speaker 1>y N wasn't educating us on anything that was going on.

1:00:16.600 --> 1:00:18.720
<v Speaker 1>She was barely even telling us anything that was going

1:00:18.760 --> 1:00:24.080
<v Speaker 1>on with Amber's body. Uh, you know. And uh, two

1:00:24.080 --> 1:00:27.360
<v Speaker 1>weeks later, Amber makes it sweet wanting to write and

1:00:27.440 --> 1:00:30.000
<v Speaker 1>tell all about the incompetence and the negligence that she

1:00:30.040 --> 1:00:35.200
<v Speaker 1>had been facing during her pregnancy, her entire pregnancy, and

1:00:35.240 --> 1:00:38.480
<v Speaker 1>then a few days after that she passed away. So

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<v Speaker 1>can I can of actual question, can you kind of

1:00:41.880 --> 1:00:43.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, I know it's kind of traumatized, but I

1:00:43.840 --> 1:00:48.120
<v Speaker 1>just want you to, like the date of her pregnancy, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what what actually happened? What was you know, how did

1:00:51.960 --> 1:00:54.720
<v Speaker 1>when they got to the doctor they diagnosed it, what

1:00:54.920 --> 1:00:58.000
<v Speaker 1>happened when she actually had the baby? So when when

1:00:58.040 --> 1:01:01.360
<v Speaker 1>actually when when when we went to the hospital because

1:01:01.360 --> 1:01:04.880
<v Speaker 1>she had to get blood work done three times um

1:01:04.920 --> 1:01:07.840
<v Speaker 1>within the span of a month, and they still weren't

1:01:07.840 --> 1:01:10.160
<v Speaker 1>really paying attense to her. They were, you know, mixing

1:01:10.240 --> 1:01:12.640
<v Speaker 1>up her her blood work, not finding her blood work,

1:01:12.640 --> 1:01:16.760
<v Speaker 1>not finding her paperwork, um, just misplacing things and having

1:01:16.840 --> 1:01:21.440
<v Speaker 1>us do all these runarounds. So they called us on

1:01:21.440 --> 1:01:26.400
<v Speaker 1>on April eighteen. They called us the day after she

1:01:26.400 --> 1:01:28.400
<v Speaker 1>she got some more blood work done. The day after that,

1:01:28.480 --> 1:01:32.640
<v Speaker 1>she did she wrote her last tweet that went viral um.

1:01:32.680 --> 1:01:34.600
<v Speaker 1>The day after they called us like a thirty in

1:01:34.640 --> 1:01:37.360
<v Speaker 1>the morning and said that, hey, Amber needs to come

1:01:37.360 --> 1:01:43.800
<v Speaker 1>in for treatment immediately for treatment. So you know, we're uh,

1:01:43.840 --> 1:01:46.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, packing up, getting ready to head out. Amber's

1:01:46.760 --> 1:01:48.520
<v Speaker 1>mother was staying with us at the time because she

1:01:48.560 --> 1:01:50.880
<v Speaker 1>was gonna stay with us, um, you know, to help

1:01:50.880 --> 1:01:52.760
<v Speaker 1>care for Amber while she was pregnant, while I was

1:01:52.800 --> 1:01:56.440
<v Speaker 1>taking care of you know, the household. Uh. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we all rolled out to the hospital together and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as we get there, I'm speaking to the

1:02:01.880 --> 1:02:06.000
<v Speaker 1>receptionist about what's been going on. And and you know,

1:02:06.080 --> 1:02:09.880
<v Speaker 1>because because of COVID regulations, they're not trying to allow me,

1:02:09.920 --> 1:02:12.280
<v Speaker 1>as her partner, come up with her. They're not trying

1:02:12.320 --> 1:02:14.720
<v Speaker 1>to allow her mother to come up with her. Even

1:02:14.720 --> 1:02:17.160
<v Speaker 1>though her mother has worked here for twenty five years,

1:02:17.240 --> 1:02:20.840
<v Speaker 1>has the proper ppe and has access to the hospital,

1:02:21.200 --> 1:02:23.200
<v Speaker 1>They're still not allowing her to come up. They're not

1:02:23.280 --> 1:02:26.800
<v Speaker 1>allowing us to call our midwife to come or anything.

1:02:26.920 --> 1:02:30.200
<v Speaker 1>They they needed to be alone with Amber by themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>and which is something that she was scared up because

1:02:32.640 --> 1:02:36.680
<v Speaker 1>she was aware of the statistics of of of black

1:02:36.720 --> 1:02:39.680
<v Speaker 1>women in these hospitals. Um So, I'm speaking to the

1:02:39.680 --> 1:02:42.120
<v Speaker 1>reception that's about everything that's going on and how they

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<v Speaker 1>need to make some sort of exception considering the fact

1:02:45.520 --> 1:02:47.640
<v Speaker 1>that this is no mistake of our own. This is

1:02:47.640 --> 1:02:51.680
<v Speaker 1>a mistake clearly that they've made this whole time. Um So,

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<v Speaker 1>security walks up to me and tells me, okay, Mr

1:02:54.200 --> 1:02:57.320
<v Speaker 1>baby Daddy, you need to calm down, go sit in

1:02:57.320 --> 1:02:58.800
<v Speaker 1>the lobby. A matter of fact, we don't want you

1:02:58.840 --> 1:03:01.080
<v Speaker 1>in the lobby. You need to wait outside. So they

1:03:01.080 --> 1:03:04.400
<v Speaker 1>made me wait outside. Um and you know, Amber is

1:03:04.400 --> 1:03:07.840
<v Speaker 1>giving me updates, texting me, calling me, and uh, you know,

1:03:07.920 --> 1:03:10.960
<v Speaker 1>she's very nervous and very scared because you know, she

1:03:11.080 --> 1:03:13.800
<v Speaker 1>may have to stay overnight and Amber's. Amber is one

1:03:13.840 --> 1:03:15.800
<v Speaker 1>of the most healthiest people I've ever known in my

1:03:15.960 --> 1:03:20.320
<v Speaker 1>entire life, Pasbyterian, and and held a strict vegan diet

1:03:21.000 --> 1:03:24.200
<v Speaker 1>while she was pregnant. So it was just really confusing.

1:03:24.320 --> 1:03:26.440
<v Speaker 1>And she's never had to stay in a hospital overnight,

1:03:26.440 --> 1:03:29.520
<v Speaker 1>so she was scared, and UM, you know, She's trying

1:03:29.560 --> 1:03:32.760
<v Speaker 1>to make sure that I'm gonna be there for her

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<v Speaker 1>and with her, and they end up telling her that

1:03:37.080 --> 1:03:39.680
<v Speaker 1>she has to stay for the whole weekend because they

1:03:39.720 --> 1:03:42.439
<v Speaker 1>don't know what she has. You know, this whole time

1:03:42.480 --> 1:03:45.400
<v Speaker 1>they're testing her for COVID. They tested her for COVID twice,

1:03:45.920 --> 1:03:48.200
<v Speaker 1>came back negative, and they wanted to test her a

1:03:48.280 --> 1:03:51.560
<v Speaker 1>third time. UM. And you know the high risk doctor

1:03:51.600 --> 1:03:54.960
<v Speaker 1>that never even showed up for Amber was you know, Um,

1:03:55.000 --> 1:03:57.680
<v Speaker 1>they passed Hamber down to a much younger doctor. I

1:03:57.720 --> 1:04:00.480
<v Speaker 1>don't even know if that doctor was was a resident,

1:04:00.800 --> 1:04:05.040
<v Speaker 1>was an undergrad because they were allowing residents and undergrads

1:04:05.080 --> 1:04:09.040
<v Speaker 1>to operate UM during those times. And UM, you know

1:04:09.080 --> 1:04:12.720
<v Speaker 1>that was very nerve wracking for us. UM. And they

1:04:12.760 --> 1:04:14.880
<v Speaker 1>told her, even though you don't have COVID, we're still

1:04:14.920 --> 1:04:16.800
<v Speaker 1>going to treat you as as if you were a

1:04:16.840 --> 1:04:21.240
<v Speaker 1>COVID patient and hearing that, you're you're hearing all of

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<v Speaker 1>this on the phone, yes, from her because at this

1:04:24.440 --> 1:04:28.400
<v Speaker 1>point because my my mom Um, she had a stroke

1:04:28.520 --> 1:04:31.320
<v Speaker 1>during the same time on March tenth of two thousand

1:04:31.400 --> 1:04:34.000
<v Speaker 1>and twenty, and we also were in Monte Theory and

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<v Speaker 1>at some point we unfortunately had to leave the building

1:04:37.440 --> 1:04:39.760
<v Speaker 1>and it was the same thing. And by the way,

1:04:40.040 --> 1:04:42.800
<v Speaker 1>my mother at that time wasn't in her right mind

1:04:43.280 --> 1:04:46.120
<v Speaker 1>right she she was had been in a coma for

1:04:46.160 --> 1:04:48.360
<v Speaker 1>a while, and now she's out of the coma, so

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<v Speaker 1>she's unable to use the phone. She's had she's partially paralyzed,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're trying to communicate and understand what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're learning all of this on the phone, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And then um, you know, they're they're telling her she's

1:05:02.880 --> 1:05:05.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna they're gonna treat heads if she's a COVID patient.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I first heard that, I'm thinking to myself,

1:05:07.560 --> 1:05:10.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying not to think negative. So I'm thinking, Okay,

1:05:10.040 --> 1:05:12.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe they're gonna wear extra ppe, which is something that

1:05:12.560 --> 1:05:15.440
<v Speaker 1>they should be wearing for a pregnant woman who doesn't

1:05:15.480 --> 1:05:19.400
<v Speaker 1>have COVID and um, but what did it mean, What

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<v Speaker 1>did it ultimately mean? After she passed. I'm starting to

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<v Speaker 1>believe otherwise. Um, because you know, on the twenty on April,

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<v Speaker 1>she called me in the morning and said that she

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<v Speaker 1>had Hope syndrome, sent me a Google review of what

1:05:33.600 --> 1:05:35.880
<v Speaker 1>it was. I had to study what help syndrome was

1:05:35.920 --> 1:05:38.280
<v Speaker 1>before I got to the hospital. They were finally gonna

1:05:38.280 --> 1:05:40.520
<v Speaker 1>allow me to come to the hospital to be with

1:05:40.560 --> 1:05:44.320
<v Speaker 1>her during delivery. Um. After I passed my COVID tests.

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<v Speaker 1>I passed my COVID tests, went straight over there. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they wouldn't even let me buy her though.

1:05:50.760 --> 1:05:53.760
<v Speaker 1>They I had to sit in a chair in a corner. Um.

1:05:53.800 --> 1:05:55.920
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't hold her hand. I couldn't you know, I

1:05:55.920 --> 1:05:58.280
<v Speaker 1>couldn't talk to her. I couldn't speak you know, positive,

1:05:58.480 --> 1:06:01.560
<v Speaker 1>positive affirmations to her. Um. You know, I'm really just

1:06:01.600 --> 1:06:04.560
<v Speaker 1>trying to prepare her. And uh, you know, the nurses

1:06:04.600 --> 1:06:07.600
<v Speaker 1>are telling us, m oh, yeah, you can't be close

1:06:07.640 --> 1:06:10.000
<v Speaker 1>to her because we don't know who has COVID. We

1:06:10.000 --> 1:06:12.960
<v Speaker 1>don't even know if we have COVID. We've never been tested,

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<v Speaker 1>so that the nurses at Montifie weren't being tested, which

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<v Speaker 1>is very unsettling. To us, considering the fact that we

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<v Speaker 1>took all of the proper precautions to say, to stay

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<v Speaker 1>safe and to keep our baby safe. Um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we did all the right things and and so now

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<v Speaker 1>this is the day that they're inducing her and she

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<v Speaker 1>passes and you're there, um, and this happens, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you now have your baby. Thank you. No, they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>give me my baby, um, which is something that that

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<v Speaker 1>fathers have to go through. So after she passed away, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there were you know, black nurses who were telling me, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for me to get on my my son's

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<v Speaker 1>birth certificate things, I had to go through this process

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<v Speaker 1>because Amber was no longer alive to attest that I

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<v Speaker 1>was the father, even though that was the only while

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<v Speaker 1>they allowed me to be inside of the hospital is

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<v Speaker 1>because I was the father. So because she was no

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<v Speaker 1>longer alive to attest that I was the father, I

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<v Speaker 1>have spoke to this whole process. So I have a

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<v Speaker 1>team of black nurses telling me to fill out this

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<v Speaker 1>paperwork and give it to the head nurse, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a white woman. Yeah. Yes, So I fill out the paperwork,

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<v Speaker 1>I bring it to the head nurse. The head nurse

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<v Speaker 1>tells me, oh, no, no, no, no, no, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to do this here. Um, just whenever you get home,

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<v Speaker 1>send it to this address. Um. You know. So I

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<v Speaker 1>did that, and they couldn't release the baby to me.

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<v Speaker 1>They actually had to release the baby to Amber's mother.

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<v Speaker 1>They couldn't. They couldn't release my child to me. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is crazy. Gratefully though, Amber's mother was already staying

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<v Speaker 1>with me, so he was coming home anyways. Um. But

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<v Speaker 1>even till this day, this is something that I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>fighting because I'm still not on my son's birth certificate.

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<v Speaker 1>A year over a year later, he turned He turned

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<v Speaker 1>one in April on April. He turned one on April

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<v Speaker 1>twenty and so they tell me to fill out this

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<v Speaker 1>paperwork send it to this address. I get a decline

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<v Speaker 1>letter four months later, um, saying that they need more

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<v Speaker 1>more information. So I go to Sarah surrogate's court, and

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<v Speaker 1>the representative being a black woman, she says to me

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<v Speaker 1>because she she's very familiar with my story and my

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<v Speaker 1>advocacy work at this time, and she's telling me, hey, Bruce,

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<v Speaker 1>how does Elias have your last name McIntire. Well, that's

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<v Speaker 1>because that's something that Amber and I agreed on and

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<v Speaker 1>that's where Amber put down on the paperwork. Um, you

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<v Speaker 1>know Elias Backe's hire. She tells me, well, Bruce, your

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<v Speaker 1>son has your last name. I don't understand why they're

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<v Speaker 1>why they're making you go through all of this. So

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<v Speaker 1>they're making me go through this process for no reason.

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<v Speaker 1>So so now you have you have just lost your

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<v Speaker 1>soul mate. You have a new child that you have

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<v Speaker 1>to take care of. You have to deal with the

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<v Speaker 1>trauma of that, and now you have to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>all of the red tape and all these things just

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<v Speaker 1>to be acknowledged as the father of your child. How

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<v Speaker 1>much how traumaful is that? How much pain? Like what

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<v Speaker 1>is going through your mind? It's a lot of It's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of trauma because I I thought, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at least after Amber passing, there would be some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of safety net for me, some sort of help. There's not.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing for us that's going to help us. They've

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<v Speaker 1>they've been trying to really um cover up what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to Amber. They've really been trying to, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>hurt me as well, because because since I'm not all

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<v Speaker 1>my son's birth certificate, I don't get you know, social

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<v Speaker 1>Security for my son. I don't get that that extra

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<v Speaker 1>relief that they're sending parents. I don't get those, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And and not to mention, I lost my job during

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic, so having to take care of a household,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm having to help with with Amber's mother, I'm having

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<v Speaker 1>to help, you know, help with my sign and take

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<v Speaker 1>care of all these things. Um. But which is another

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<v Speaker 1>reasons why I'm just going so hard at this system,

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<v Speaker 1>because they won't make any changes until you're taking money

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<v Speaker 1>out there pocket, which is exactly what I've been doing. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they after Amber's passing, I'm looking at her

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<v Speaker 1>her death certificate, and I'm noticing some red flags. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>noticing under partner or father of child. They left my

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<v Speaker 1>name blank, even though they knew who I was and

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<v Speaker 1>I was there. They left Amber the section for the mother,

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<v Speaker 1>Amber's mother. They knew who Amber's mother was, She's been

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<v Speaker 1>working there for twenty five years. I left her name

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<v Speaker 1>blank as if she was just another black woman, no family.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, and I'm starting to notice that they're also

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<v Speaker 1>even though she does not have COVID, they are still

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<v Speaker 1>trying to send her body to Heart Island, where they're

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<v Speaker 1>dumping COVID bodies and homes and mask graves. So they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're getting ready to try to put her in the

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<v Speaker 1>back of an ice truck to send her to that island.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm also noticing that the depth certificate was never

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<v Speaker 1>signed off by a medical examiner, but it was signed

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<v Speaker 1>off an optopsy was performed by the head surgeon that

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to care for Amber but never showed up,

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<v Speaker 1>so he could kind of just write whatever he felt

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<v Speaker 1>like writing. And that's very that's very problematic. Um. Luckily,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody has seen my advocacy where it at a funeral home,

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<v Speaker 1>and he decided that he wanted to help us, and

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<v Speaker 1>he picked up Amber and and held Amber for us

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<v Speaker 1>until we got her a proper grave site ready, which

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<v Speaker 1>is something that I was great before because I could

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<v Speaker 1>lean on my community to help me with that. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>But there there was just so many, so many red flags.

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<v Speaker 1>And then after Amber's passing, Cuomo jumps on TV and

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<v Speaker 1>he's in a he's in a council meeting and he's saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's talking about our situation, and UM, how

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<v Speaker 1>heartbreaking our situation is. And and because of our situation,

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<v Speaker 1>now they're starting to allow midwives to be in the

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<v Speaker 1>hospitals again. UM. And you know Cuomo's on TV stating

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<v Speaker 1>that his Maternal Task Force is going to take care

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<v Speaker 1>of it. They've done nothing for us. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>after getting into this advocacy work and partnering with with

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<v Speaker 1>birth workers. UM. You know, Cuomos, Cuomo's Maternal Task Force

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<v Speaker 1>was was very problematic as well, and haven't done anything

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<v Speaker 1>for the past eleven years. Um. But Cuomo right turns

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<v Speaker 1>around and creates an executive order trying to block families

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<v Speaker 1>like mine from taking legal action um, and trying to

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<v Speaker 1>protect the doctors over at Montifire granting them medical malpractice

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<v Speaker 1>community um to where we can't take legal action up

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<v Speaker 1>against them. This is just a whole clusterified here. Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like this is a real deep rabbit hole.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we we can have a whole episode on

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<v Speaker 1>this alone. You know, unfortunately, have to go and move on.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you have a lot to do. I know

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<v Speaker 1>you're dealing a single father, just dealing with that man.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to say, as a father, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as a black father, I just want to say that

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<v Speaker 1>we appreciate the work that you're doing. You just the

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<v Speaker 1>information that you've just given me is so vital. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've I've had three different children and and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>fortunately I've been able to be there for all three

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<v Speaker 1>of them. And there have been a lot of just

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<v Speaker 1>different discrepancies that I also had to deal with as

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<v Speaker 1>a black father. You know, nothing nothing as severe as

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<v Speaker 1>what you you dealt with. But you know, just seeing

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<v Speaker 1>how you're taking this, you know, have inspired you to

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<v Speaker 1>start to Save a Rhodes Foundation. How its inspired to

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<v Speaker 1>you to just educate yourself and others on what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on with you know, our black families and immortality and

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<v Speaker 1>the rate that goes on in the maternal you know

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<v Speaker 1>area with our families. You know, it's something that's commendable. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna say, Yo, we thank you. We appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>what you're doing. You know, how how is it can

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<v Speaker 1>we help your foundation? Could you give us some information

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<v Speaker 1>on how to help the foundation? Um? Yeah, while always supporting.

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<v Speaker 1>You can follow me at Bismack the Third on I

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<v Speaker 1>g um B I Z M A C the Third

1:14:42.360 --> 1:14:44.280
<v Speaker 1>and UH or you can follow us at Save a

1:14:44.360 --> 1:14:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Roads Foundation on on Instagram or Facebook. We post a

1:14:48.360 --> 1:14:50.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of updates on there. UM We also have a

1:14:50.840 --> 1:14:52.960
<v Speaker 1>go fund me up as well, because I'm still waiting

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<v Speaker 1>on some stuff to clear through the I r S

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<v Speaker 1>because that's something else that's been prolonged as well. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're just waiting on our website and stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>that to pop. But you know, during the meantime, I

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<v Speaker 1>am educating. I just got back from Boston last month.

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<v Speaker 1>I was teaching a racial bias class to Harvard Medical students.

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<v Speaker 1>Um you know talk classes at Yale and and Columbia

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<v Speaker 1>New York School of Men. I've done you know, trainings

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<v Speaker 1>for midwives and doulas and things of that nature. So

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<v Speaker 1>I've been I've been really working, uh working on a

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<v Speaker 1>on a mental health app as well with my brother,

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<v Speaker 1>with Mark Bishop. He's done he was a programmer for

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<v Speaker 1>things like Black People Meet dot com, Match dot Com,

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<v Speaker 1>things like that. So we're working on a on a

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<v Speaker 1>mental health app that's getting ready to drop called Joyfully

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<v Speaker 1>that should be out next month. So we're really trying

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<v Speaker 1>to help, you know, dedicate our time towards the people

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<v Speaker 1>you know doing this work. Especially in the BRONX. I've

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<v Speaker 1>noticed that you know, over sixty of these women don't

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<v Speaker 1>need C sections, and over sixty percent of these women

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<v Speaker 1>are are dying, and you know it's it's preventable. UM

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of these privately owned hospitals are being

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<v Speaker 1>so substantially underfunded in our communities, so this is a

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<v Speaker 1>way for them to make up for their budget cuts

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<v Speaker 1>is through c sections because they're you know this, this

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<v Speaker 1>turns into a surgical issue. So every time that they

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<v Speaker 1>cut a black woman open there, they're earning an extra

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<v Speaker 1>eight thousand dollars versus what they would have made for

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<v Speaker 1>a natural birth. So they're clearly putting copit over people.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just highlighting the highlighting all that stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing. So I appreciate y'all letting me use our platform,

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<v Speaker 1>and I appreciate the work that y'all do, especially you know,

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<v Speaker 1>seeing you come from the same background as me, and

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<v Speaker 1>come from the same places as me, and and really

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<v Speaker 1>out here doing things for people. So that's that's amazing

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<v Speaker 1>to speak to see and it inspires me truly, So

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, well, thank you man. I'm truly inspired by

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<v Speaker 1>the work that you're doing. Unfortunately, to Maka had to

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<v Speaker 1>drop off to do press. We're doing um A rally

1:16:49.800 --> 1:16:54.040
<v Speaker 1>for the much on Washington rally that we're doing in

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<v Speaker 1>d C. So she had to drop off and handle

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of that. But she says she she wants

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<v Speaker 1>you to say she had apologizes that she couldn't stay

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<v Speaker 1>along with your Your story is so compelling. We actually

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<v Speaker 1>choosed to only do this interview for like ten or

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes, but I was like, we can't. We can't

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<v Speaker 1>stop you from saying because this is very important, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just hearing your insight, hearing your experience and just understanding

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<v Speaker 1>this is important. So we wasn't even able to finish

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<v Speaker 1>the thing because we're supposed to finish earlier. But she

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<v Speaker 1>just wants to say that she's with you, we support you,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, whatever we can do, we're here. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>Bruce McIntyre for coming on our show. You know, um,

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<v Speaker 1>what what's your what is your You have a son, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>my Sonny liars, liars and liars. Mcintime man, blessings to him.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that you're gonna turn him and give him

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<v Speaker 1>all of the energy and jews that he needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be a strong man. So we appreciate you once again

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to coming on the show. Follow um, save the Roads,

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<v Speaker 1>support Stave Roads Foundation. He has to go from me

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<v Speaker 1>as all of those things. Man, thank you. We definitely

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<v Speaker 1>need to support people like you that really doing work

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<v Speaker 1>that's unseen that people don't even realize because I had

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely no idea all these things that happen, and even

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<v Speaker 1>being my father, So I appreciate everything. Everything was going

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<v Speaker 1>viral to we were we were really going viral around

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Um and then uh, you know, George Floyd

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<v Speaker 1>passed away right after and and you know the focus

1:18:20.320 --> 1:18:23.479
<v Speaker 1>need more towards George Floyd versus in the hospitals to

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<v Speaker 1>black women. So hopefully we could get it viral again

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<v Speaker 1>and people start paying attention. Man, we appreciate you. So

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you. Thank you that shout out to Bruce Man,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, he's a fellow Bronx native actually from Highbridge, Agin.

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<v Speaker 1>I know his father. You know, we were familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people, actually met Bruce before. And just

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<v Speaker 1>hearing story, you know, when Yandy had posted it, it

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<v Speaker 1>was heart felt. It was heartfelt, and just knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>he's from the same community, just hearing him, he seems

1:18:54.560 --> 1:18:57.479
<v Speaker 1>like it's a lot that he's them, a whole lot.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm losing your your woman didn't actually having

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<v Speaker 1>to be a father and didn't having to go through

1:19:04.479 --> 1:19:08.639
<v Speaker 1>all of these issues just a single father exactly has

1:19:08.640 --> 1:19:10.439
<v Speaker 1>to be a single father. Didn't have to go to

1:19:10.439 --> 1:19:13.160
<v Speaker 1>the issue just to have your name putting your son's

1:19:13.160 --> 1:19:18.120
<v Speaker 1>birth certificate. Man, still hasn't been accomplished. Still hasn't been accomplished.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I just want to send shouts out

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<v Speaker 1>to him and make sure that you support his foundation,

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<v Speaker 1>Saver Rhodes Foundation, and all the work that he's doing. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a lot. This is a very heavy show,

1:19:30.800 --> 1:19:34.320
<v Speaker 1>very heavy show, you know, and kind of brings me

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<v Speaker 1>to my I don't get this is a little off topic.

1:19:43.600 --> 1:19:45.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's kind of a lot off topic. It

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<v Speaker 1>brings me because last week when we was talking to

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<v Speaker 1>um Tony, she was explaining to us how she was

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<v Speaker 1>here working as an expert for our Kelly's tribe. Y

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<v Speaker 1>is she's well known for her work around sex traffic. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>sex traffic. Watch that. If you haven't watched that episode,

1:20:07.920 --> 1:20:11.599
<v Speaker 1>go back and watch. Very informative. Tony is so dope,

1:20:11.680 --> 1:20:16.000
<v Speaker 1>just how she utilized her pain and her passion and

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<v Speaker 1>her skill level to you know, understanding the intricacies of

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<v Speaker 1>what goes on in traffic and utilize it to save

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and rescue quote unquote rescue some of these

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<v Speaker 1>sex workers. Um it brings me to miew. I don't

1:20:33.560 --> 1:20:38.519
<v Speaker 1>get it. Actually they're not. This is different. Sex workers

1:20:38.520 --> 1:20:46.240
<v Speaker 1>are different, but sex different well those being sex traffic. Okay, right, listen,

1:20:46.280 --> 1:20:49.240
<v Speaker 1>you know I'm learning. I'm learning it's different because sex

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<v Speaker 1>work is working, sex working. You supports us, okay, I

1:20:54.520 --> 1:21:00.920
<v Speaker 1>supports sexual We all supported. No, we don't know. I mean, well,

1:21:00.960 --> 1:21:06.360
<v Speaker 1>this show streaked politicians, we support sex workers, so um,

1:21:06.400 --> 1:21:09.600
<v Speaker 1>but but we don't support is our county. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand for the life of me. What I don't

1:21:13.600 --> 1:21:18.360
<v Speaker 1>get is why it's R. Kelly going to trial? Like

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<v Speaker 1>who is the judge, the lawyer? That's our Kelly. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna need you to go on to trial. Man, take

1:21:25.680 --> 1:21:27.960
<v Speaker 1>this to travel. You got a chance to win in

1:21:28.000 --> 1:21:31.559
<v Speaker 1>this case, Like as a like someone a smart person

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<v Speaker 1>will sit there and saying, man, what they trying to

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<v Speaker 1>give you? Man, you got all of this against you

1:21:37.000 --> 1:21:41.519
<v Speaker 1>got videos, you got accusations, you got everything in the world.

1:21:41.720 --> 1:21:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Like if if you talk about the deck being stacked,

1:21:45.240 --> 1:21:49.840
<v Speaker 1>there's no more deck stacked against anybody. He doesn't give

1:21:49.960 --> 1:21:55.000
<v Speaker 1>people be um venereal disease. It's it's so much ship

1:21:55.479 --> 1:21:59.840
<v Speaker 1>against all Kelly, that I could not even fathom me

1:22:00.040 --> 1:22:03.080
<v Speaker 1>saying to myself, I'm going to trial, Like I really

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<v Speaker 1>just don't get it, Like, what is what is the

1:22:04.920 --> 1:22:08.400
<v Speaker 1>mind state behind some money that's decides to go to

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<v Speaker 1>trial for this? That's what narcissists do. Someone said that

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<v Speaker 1>to me the other day, that that's what narcissism looks like.

1:22:19.000 --> 1:22:23.200
<v Speaker 1>And also what he is facing in terms of time,

1:22:24.240 --> 1:22:28.759
<v Speaker 1>he could receive life in prison in so many different

1:22:28.760 --> 1:22:33.040
<v Speaker 1>places that he really doesn't have any other option, you know,

1:22:33.080 --> 1:22:34.840
<v Speaker 1>but to kind of throw it at the wall and

1:22:34.880 --> 1:22:38.720
<v Speaker 1>fight and see if they can knock down a few situations,

1:22:38.720 --> 1:22:41.800
<v Speaker 1>a few scenarios where they might be able to get

1:22:41.880 --> 1:22:46.559
<v Speaker 1>a little less time. So instead of him having triple life,

1:22:46.880 --> 1:22:50.679
<v Speaker 1>he might just get, you know, fifty years or something

1:22:50.760 --> 1:22:54.120
<v Speaker 1>like that. That's the goal at this point. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm trying to say, to go to go. If

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<v Speaker 1>you go to trial, you leave it on the mercy

1:22:59.439 --> 1:23:03.000
<v Speaker 1>of So if you're trying to get fifty years, right,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're trying to get fifty years, what you do

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<v Speaker 1>is try to negotiate prior I don't give. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>tell you what I Well, well, there's there's two things

1:23:12.240 --> 1:23:14.800
<v Speaker 1>to that. First of all, I don't know who's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to negotiate, but so much with him. But the second

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<v Speaker 1>thing is that every detail of everybody's story is not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be true, and it's also not going to be proven.

1:23:27.400 --> 1:23:29.160
<v Speaker 1>They're not going to be able to prove even stuff

1:23:29.200 --> 1:23:33.360
<v Speaker 1>that is true. So that's what gives them some ability

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<v Speaker 1>to say, you were not able to prove that I

1:23:36.479 --> 1:23:40.400
<v Speaker 1>did X, Y Z and or att. You know, during

1:23:40.400 --> 1:23:43.919
<v Speaker 1>the trial it came out that this person is not credible,

1:23:44.080 --> 1:23:46.559
<v Speaker 1>or she lied because she wasn't even in the place

1:23:46.640 --> 1:23:50.320
<v Speaker 1>at the time, whatever, you do understand I'm saying. So

1:23:50.400 --> 1:23:53.800
<v Speaker 1>that's what they're banking on, is to use that as

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<v Speaker 1>leverage to be able to kind of get him in

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<v Speaker 1>a better situation than what he's in right now, because

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<v Speaker 1>based upon where he's sitting today, it's nothing that I

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<v Speaker 1>can see. But that's what I was trying to say,

1:24:06.360 --> 1:24:09.280
<v Speaker 1>Like the negotiation process would be that, like your lawyer

1:24:09.320 --> 1:24:12.680
<v Speaker 1>would say, look, dear, we we we were looking and

1:24:12.720 --> 1:24:16.000
<v Speaker 1>say these two cases, these ain't gonna the credibility of

1:24:16.080 --> 1:24:19.000
<v Speaker 1>his witnesses. Look at these situations. All right, y'all might

1:24:19.120 --> 1:24:21.960
<v Speaker 1>have these these right here. It's gonna be hard for

1:24:22.040 --> 1:24:24.000
<v Speaker 1>us to prove. And we're willing to make a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's make a deal. You know, my client doesn't need life,

1:24:27.600 --> 1:24:29.639
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't need this. We want to, we want to.

1:24:29.680 --> 1:24:33.080
<v Speaker 1>He definitely realized that he's if you listen to testimony,

1:24:33.160 --> 1:24:36.519
<v Speaker 1>he's dealing with his own abuse. You know, he's that

1:24:36.920 --> 1:24:39.920
<v Speaker 1>he had been abused. So the mentality that he has

1:24:39.960 --> 1:24:42.920
<v Speaker 1>come from somewhere. He's obviously sick. Let's work on getting

1:24:42.960 --> 1:24:45.720
<v Speaker 1>him programs, just put him in a hospital. Let's work

1:24:45.760 --> 1:24:48.040
<v Speaker 1>on all of those things, and let's try to limit

1:24:48.040 --> 1:24:50.360
<v Speaker 1>the amount of jail timp like that. Those are things

1:24:50.360 --> 1:24:55.800
<v Speaker 1>that you negotiate. The dealing with narcissism, you're dealing with stupidism. Well,

1:24:55.800 --> 1:24:58.840
<v Speaker 1>what do you want to call it? Narcissist? Narcissism and

1:24:58.880 --> 1:25:02.960
<v Speaker 1>stupidism can run together, they can be parallel, and and

1:25:03.040 --> 1:25:06.040
<v Speaker 1>you're dealing with that because in his mind, he thinks

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<v Speaker 1>that as he's been able to get away with it before,

1:25:08.720 --> 1:25:10.759
<v Speaker 1>he might be able to get away with it again.

1:25:11.439 --> 1:25:15.280
<v Speaker 1>That's what he thinks. He honestly believes in his mind. Hey,

1:25:15.400 --> 1:25:19.800
<v Speaker 1>you never know and guess why when you talk about negotiations. Oh,

1:25:19.920 --> 1:25:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Jay's ass was going to jail. They didn't know that

1:25:22.920 --> 1:25:24.840
<v Speaker 1>the moment was gonna come up at some point where

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny Cochrane had sat in his he there was one

1:25:28.080 --> 1:25:30.679
<v Speaker 1>that they had to prove his word over and listen

1:25:30.720 --> 1:25:32.320
<v Speaker 1>to what I'm saying. He was going to jail based

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<v Speaker 1>upon a lot of things, including whether or not they

1:25:35.840 --> 1:25:38.439
<v Speaker 1>could prove it or whatever. But he was going to jail, right.

1:25:39.280 --> 1:25:41.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying that there was never really no proof that

1:25:41.640 --> 1:25:44.720
<v Speaker 1>there was just always it was. It was all circumstances.

1:25:44.720 --> 1:25:46.400
<v Speaker 1>But this is the thing, But this is my point.

1:25:47.920 --> 1:25:52.519
<v Speaker 1>What was the turning of the tie in ol J's

1:25:52.560 --> 1:25:56.439
<v Speaker 1>situation was if it doesn't fit it, you must SI quit. Period.

1:25:56.560 --> 1:26:00.439
<v Speaker 1>That was a moment that happened within the trial. The

1:26:00.560 --> 1:26:03.559
<v Speaker 1>Johnny Cochrane probably stayed up all day and all night

1:26:03.640 --> 1:26:06.960
<v Speaker 1>thinking about them closing remarks or whatever whatever time he

1:26:07.040 --> 1:26:10.160
<v Speaker 1>said that ship because that ship was good, okay, And

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<v Speaker 1>when he said it, it struck the nerves of all

1:26:13.240 --> 1:26:16.960
<v Speaker 1>the jewels and the court in general to say, we

1:26:17.200 --> 1:26:21.840
<v Speaker 1>really it didn't fit. It didn't fit. But if you did,

1:26:21.960 --> 1:26:25.400
<v Speaker 1>if you take out if you remove Johnny Cochrane's point,

1:26:26.040 --> 1:26:30.200
<v Speaker 1>they were skinned of ship. That entire defense table was afraid.

1:26:30.600 --> 1:26:33.160
<v Speaker 1>They thought O. J Was going to jail, even whether

1:26:33.200 --> 1:26:35.160
<v Speaker 1>he was guilty or not. They thought he was going

1:26:35.160 --> 1:26:37.000
<v Speaker 1>to jail because two white people have been killed and

1:26:37.080 --> 1:26:39.479
<v Speaker 1>he was a nigger, and that's what they thought, right.

1:26:39.520 --> 1:26:41.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they're gonna run nigger, so they

1:26:41.479 --> 1:26:45.280
<v Speaker 1>might make us say he was a negro, Kay, that's

1:26:45.320 --> 1:26:51.320
<v Speaker 1>it right? So what that's what they're waiting on, are

1:26:51.400 --> 1:26:55.240
<v Speaker 1>telling them waiting on if it doesn't, they're waiting on

1:26:55.320 --> 1:26:58.639
<v Speaker 1>a moment that might hit and strike at the right time.

1:26:59.000 --> 1:27:03.559
<v Speaker 1>To be able to get is nasty, sick self off

1:27:03.960 --> 1:27:06.879
<v Speaker 1>because I've been first of all, after I've watched saving

1:27:07.680 --> 1:27:12.040
<v Speaker 1>what was this surviving? R Kelly, those two I know

1:27:12.120 --> 1:27:14.960
<v Speaker 1>you you couldn't watch you well, actually I got you

1:27:15.040 --> 1:27:17.320
<v Speaker 1>to watch like five minutes. I called you. I said,

1:27:17.400 --> 1:27:19.920
<v Speaker 1>got to see you. Guy said you started watching? You said,

1:27:19.960 --> 1:27:21.479
<v Speaker 1>and you called me back and you said, listen, I can't.

1:27:21.520 --> 1:27:25.320
<v Speaker 1>I can't even do this. I understand. R. Kelly. It's situation.

1:27:25.800 --> 1:27:29.200
<v Speaker 1>He's done and that's that I cannot. I can't. I

1:27:29.240 --> 1:27:31.200
<v Speaker 1>just can't. And there's a lot of people that said,

1:27:31.200 --> 1:27:32.839
<v Speaker 1>if my mother said she couldn't do it, she couldn't

1:27:32.840 --> 1:27:35.639
<v Speaker 1>do it for many different reasons, and probably her own

1:27:35.720 --> 1:27:39.120
<v Speaker 1>traumling things she's thinking about from her hometown and her childhood.

1:27:39.560 --> 1:27:41.519
<v Speaker 1>She couldn't do it. But I sat and I watched

1:27:41.520 --> 1:27:45.720
<v Speaker 1>it because so many people that I know was trying

1:27:45.760 --> 1:27:47.920
<v Speaker 1>to fight me for R. Kelly, and I said, well, me,

1:27:48.720 --> 1:27:52.280
<v Speaker 1>let me go educate and inform myself because maybe I

1:27:52.320 --> 1:27:54.760
<v Speaker 1>don't know everything. Now. I know the people who put

1:27:54.760 --> 1:27:58.120
<v Speaker 1>the documentary together, and so from what I know about

1:27:58.160 --> 1:28:00.639
<v Speaker 1>their credibility, I don't think that they would have gotten

1:28:00.680 --> 1:28:03.280
<v Speaker 1>that deep into something that they know was just a

1:28:03.360 --> 1:28:06.880
<v Speaker 1>both faced lie. But nonetheless put that to the side.

1:28:07.120 --> 1:28:10.040
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to see for myself. I sat myself and

1:28:10.080 --> 1:28:12.719
<v Speaker 1>I watched every night. In fact, I was live tweeting

1:28:13.240 --> 1:28:21.760
<v Speaker 1>during the show, right ship the stories his wife, his

1:28:21.920 --> 1:28:27.560
<v Speaker 1>ex wife, and all these other people parents, the stories

1:28:27.600 --> 1:28:31.000
<v Speaker 1>that they would tell me. Nah, I can't tell you

1:28:31.120 --> 1:28:33.800
<v Speaker 1>every person was telling the truth, because there's no such thing.

1:28:34.560 --> 1:28:36.680
<v Speaker 1>There's no such things. You get a hundred people that

1:28:36.720 --> 1:28:39.320
<v Speaker 1>say you did something, somebody in the one hundred is

1:28:39.320 --> 1:28:41.599
<v Speaker 1>not telling the full story. You're not telling the truth,

1:28:41.920 --> 1:28:45.400
<v Speaker 1>it's been enhanced. They heard somebody else say some stuff.

1:28:45.439 --> 1:28:47.360
<v Speaker 1>They stole a little bit of that and put a

1:28:47.400 --> 1:28:50.240
<v Speaker 1>little stink on their story. That's always gonna be the case.

1:28:50.640 --> 1:28:54.240
<v Speaker 1>But the crux of the map, like the like, the

1:28:54.280 --> 1:28:57.639
<v Speaker 1>meat of it, right, is that this man is sick

1:28:57.960 --> 1:28:59.840
<v Speaker 1>and he should have been stopped a long time ago.

1:29:00.280 --> 1:29:02.479
<v Speaker 1>And there's a lot of other people. There are people

1:29:02.640 --> 1:29:05.559
<v Speaker 1>who work for him. There's families and a lot of

1:29:05.600 --> 1:29:09.040
<v Speaker 1>folks who were around who knew about this stuff, and

1:29:09.080 --> 1:29:11.960
<v Speaker 1>they let their children be around him. They let other

1:29:12.120 --> 1:29:15.200
<v Speaker 1>children get harmed by him, They let other women be

1:29:15.280 --> 1:29:19.240
<v Speaker 1>harmed by him because of money and other things that

1:29:19.320 --> 1:29:21.840
<v Speaker 1>folks wanted that was more important than the lives of

1:29:21.920 --> 1:29:25.759
<v Speaker 1>those women. Now, women who were impacted by this men.

1:29:26.120 --> 1:29:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Even the way he grew up and the things that

1:29:28.200 --> 1:29:30.800
<v Speaker 1>happened to him as a child, somebody should have paid

1:29:30.840 --> 1:29:33.400
<v Speaker 1>for that. So there's a whole lot of blame. But

1:29:33.479 --> 1:29:36.080
<v Speaker 1>nonetheless it's a grown ass man and he's gonna have

1:29:36.080 --> 1:29:39.320
<v Speaker 1>to pay the piper for the ship that he has done,

1:29:39.680 --> 1:29:44.960
<v Speaker 1>and he needs to to be clear. Well, well, that said,

1:29:46.920 --> 1:29:48.880
<v Speaker 1>that brings us to another end and of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's another informative show, a dope show, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out to all of our guests, Bruce McIntyre, Trudy Russell,

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<v Speaker 1>who I'm king here and gave us a out of

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<v Speaker 1>information and share their own personal stories. And I hope

1:30:04.120 --> 1:30:07.960
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<v Speaker 1>hearts and on the charts. No, you can't tell people

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