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What's the big story today, Yeah, 25 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: overwhelming all other news, and they dumped it on a Friday. 26 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: Was the US Supreme Court ruling concerning abortion. As you 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: might have figured out by now, the Constitution doesn't guarantee 28 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: the right to an abortion. So over the years, as 29 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: abortion became something that had to be dealt with legally 30 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: in the United States, these rulings end up in the courts, 31 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: and of course the landmark ruling was in nineteen seventy 32 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: three Row versus Way. There was another ruling in nineteen 33 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: ninety two called Planned Parenthood versus Casey, which reaffirmed the 34 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: Row ruling, and that ruling basically gave women United States 35 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: people the right to have an abortion. And under these rulings, 36 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: states can regulate, but they can't ban abortion before the 37 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: point when a fetus can survive outside the wound, which 38 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: is roughly twenty four weeks. What brought this latest case 39 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: to this US Supreme Court. We can thank Trump for that, 40 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: is that they decided to take up a case out 41 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: of Mississippi which was banning abortion after fifteen weeks. So 42 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: we're now going to talk to Eugene Volloch UCLA law. 43 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: He's a First Amendment specialist, but I'm sure he can 44 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: weigh in on this. A lot of questions about this. 45 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Eugene. Great player, to be honest, Yeah, 46 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: so is this kind of Have you ever seen something 47 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: that stood for nearly fifty years get overturned? Sure, that 48 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: was the famous Lochner case. You may remember, you may 49 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: have heard of it from nineteen o six. I guess 50 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 1: we don't actually remember it, but which basically recognized there's 51 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: a right economic freedom in the Constitution. That struck down 52 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: certain kinds of maximum our laws, and then for decades 53 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 1: after the court struck down various other kinds of economic regulations, 54 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: certain minimum wage laws, and then in the late nineteen 55 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: thirties the Supreme Court struck that down. It was thirty 56 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: years worth of precedent and a lot of precedent, and 57 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: it reverse course, you know that's happened. Likewise, of course, 58 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: the famous famously the separate but equal case A plus 59 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: C v. Ferguson was struck down fifty eighty years after 60 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: it was after it was decided in Brown v. Board 61 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: of Education. So yeah, the court sometimes reversus course, not 62 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: not often because you know, just as a matter of 63 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: running the court system, no judge wants every case to 64 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: always be up for grabs because then you'd have all 65 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: of this litigation constantly challenging things. But yeah, the Supreme 66 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: Court makes a precedent, the Supreme Court can reverse a 67 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: precedent nineteen seventy three versus Weighed ruling. And as I 68 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: mentioned at the outset here, there's no guarantee obviously in 69 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: the Constitution for the right to have an abortion. So 70 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: what was the basis of that ruling? What did they 71 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: use to permit this? So the Constitution talks about liberty, 72 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: So the court said, well, this liberty includes a right 73 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: of privacy, which is our right to make certain decisions 74 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: about your among other things, you're a productive life. And 75 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: you know, there have been some precedent for that. So 76 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: for example, a few years before, in nineteen sixty five, 77 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court struck down very unusual laws at the 78 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: time banning contraceptives, so a few states continue to ban contraceptives. 79 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: Court struck the down saying, you have a right to 80 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: choose whether you're going to have a child or not. Likewise, 81 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: before that, the Supreme Court struck down certain laws that 82 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: mandated desterialization of people under certain circumstances. And of course, 83 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: the Court has also recognized the rights of parents to 84 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: raise their children in various ways. That's also not in 85 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: the Constitution, although there at least there's a long stending 86 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: tradition of recognizing that right. The tradition has been of 87 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: not recognizing abortion rights. So the Court was, like with 88 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: the economic liberty case, it was talking about liberty generally 89 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: and was saying, yeah, you know, we as justices can 90 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: recognize new kinds of rights under this rubric of liberty 91 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: and privacy writ large that ought to be protected this 92 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: And now the Court says, or at least five justice 93 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: of the Court said not, certainly not in this instance, 94 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: that this is something that should be left to the 95 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: political process, state by state generally speaking, rather than being 96 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: constitutionalized by the by the US Supreme Court. Yeah, so 97 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: abortion is not banned by this decision, but it's up 98 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: to the states to determine how far this can go 99 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: right exactly, It simply says that that there's no right 100 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: to an abortion in the federal constitution. Of course, states 101 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: could recognize it in their own constitutions or in states statutes. 102 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: At California it seems very likely to continue to protect 103 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:10,119 Speaker 1: very broad range a range of abortion rights, and other 104 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: states might impose pretty significant restrictions, and some states may 105 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: try to ban it outright, except maybe even situations which 106 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: involved threat to the life of the mother, life of 107 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: the woman. Let's say, yeah, so was this surprising to 108 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: you considering the makeup of the court. I know when 109 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: Trump was appointing these justices and they got to name 110 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: three of them, there were big concerns in DC by 111 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: Democrats grilling them over their stance on abortion. A lot 112 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: of times didn't really give much of an answer. But 113 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like necessarily anybody saw this coming. I 114 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: guess they just had to get the right case in 115 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: front of them. Well, no, I think people did see 116 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: it coming, of course, ever since the nineteen eighties, ever 117 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: since a few years after h I mean, whenever they 118 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: have been Republican presidents. One of the things that opponents 119 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: of abortion have hoped for is that they would appoint 120 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: justices who would who would return the issue of abortion 121 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: back to the states. That didn't quite work out with 122 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,119 Speaker 1: some of the appointees, like O'Connor and Kennedy and Suitor, 123 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: for example, were Republican appointees, but they voted to preserve 124 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: abortion rights. But other appointees such as just As Scalia 125 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: and Thomas, and then Roberts and Alito and replacing Justice Scalia, 126 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: just As Gorsuch now and Calvin on Barrett, you know, 127 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: they were appointed in part with the expectations they would 128 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: do that. Now, Chief Justice Roberts wasn't willing to go 129 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: that far in this case. In this case, you would say, 130 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: look the law here, which I believe allowed abortions up 131 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: up to around three months into the pregnancy. That law 132 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 1: is constitutional. But we don't have to ask what about 133 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: a law that bans abortions from the moment of conception. 134 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: But the remaining five Republican appointed justices did exactly what 135 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: you know, the major constituency of the Republican Party had 136 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: expected them to do. And now apparently in his opinion, 137 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: just As Thomas seem to have opened the door to 138 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: the possibility and you kind of mentioned these before interpretations 139 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: of the Constitution under the fourteenth Amendment in your right 140 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: to liberty same sex marriage, contraception, that maybe those ought 141 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: to be revisited. But I understand the other justices who 142 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: voted for this didn't necessarily go along with that right. 143 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: Justice Thomas wrote a separate opinion, but it was joined 144 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: by or it was signed by Justice Thomas. Justice Thomas 145 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: has very thoughtful and worked out of views of the Constitution, 146 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: but you know, he hasn't generally been able to persuade 147 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: all of his colleagues, or pretty much even any of 148 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: his colleagues as to many of them. So his view is, indeed, look, 149 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: if it isn't in the constitutional text, then it shouldn't 150 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: be recognized as a constitutional right. It should be left 151 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: to the democratic process. And he also is the justice 152 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: on the course that probably cares the least about precedent. 153 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: So he says, I don't care if we got it 154 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: wrong some years back, even got it wrong in a 155 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: way I like, well, we should correct that error. But 156 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: I think most other justices their view is, you know, 157 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: precedent is important. We should generally here to precedent. It's 158 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: just in certain situations, it's so egregiously wrong that it 159 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: needs to be reversed. And I think as a contraceptive 160 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: I can't imagine any state actually even trying to band 161 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 1: contraceptives today. But if it did, I don't think the 162 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: Court group is a that issue. Oh thatwise, with regard 163 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: to same sex marriage, of course, that was quite controversial 164 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: on the Court when it was decided, But right now, 165 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I think people have sort of reached a 166 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: reached kind of a piece a truce on that subject. 167 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: It's not really big in the news in the way 168 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: that abortion continues to be big for obvious reasons. You know, 169 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not anti abortion myself, but people who 170 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: oppose abortion think it's murder, or the very least think 171 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: it's it's the wrongful killing of an innocent, innocent child. 172 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: It's unsurprising that that's the kind of thing that would 173 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: continue to create controversy in a way that something like 174 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: same sex marriage does not anymore. Yeah, I think you're acaus. 175 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: Justice Alito made a reference to the fact that the 176 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: whole idea of fetus and life this is quite different 177 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: than some of the other things we just talked about. 178 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: But by the way, I think there was a politician 179 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: in Mississippi who is saying, we're coming after contraception next. 180 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: So don't doubt that this could happen, or attempts could happen. Right, 181 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: There are a lot of politicians in this country. One 182 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: person says, even when one justice says and in Justice 183 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: I might respect that Justice Thomas. Uh, you know, it's 184 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: it's not really terribly telling of what's likely to actually happen. Yeah, 185 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: and did we see some of this because the one 186 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: purist I can remember is Justice Scalia, And I think 187 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: that Justice Thomas is a bit of a protege of Scaliah. 188 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: Scalia kind of had this purest interpretation of the Constitution. 189 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: If it's not specifically there, you're not going to you're 190 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: not We're not going to give it to you, right 191 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:52,599 Speaker 1: all right now, I'll give you an example. There was 192 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: a parental rights case about twenty years ago which had 193 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: to do with whether whether a state could authorize a 194 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: grand part visitation and parents soothsaying or that violates our 195 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: rights as parents to choose whether to allow anybody, including 196 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: our own parents, access to the children, and the majority 197 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: of the court said said yes, this statute violates violates 198 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: parental rights and justice. Scalia said said, no, no, I 199 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: don't think that there really is a parental rights for 200 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: clause in the Constitution, and I think to the extent 201 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 1: we've said otherwise, that was a mistake and we certainly 202 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: shouldn't extend it here. And this I am quite sure 203 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: that as a policy matter. Just as Scalia was very 204 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: happy about parental rights, I think he was a big 205 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: supporter of longstanding American traditions of recognizing parental rights. But 206 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: he said, you know, it's not in the Constitution, I 207 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: won't follow it. But again, I think that's a pretty 208 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: rare view as to pretty well settled precedents that just 209 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: don't arouse the same kind of oppositions that abortion for 210 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: understandable reasons. Again, whether you agree with him or not, 211 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: but understandable reasons does. Eugene Locke, thank you very much 212 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: for coming on the show. Appreciate it. Always a great pleasure, 213 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: all right from UCLA Law. He's a First Amendment specialist, 214 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: came on the show to talk to us about the 215 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: decision overturning Row versus Wade. We got more coming up 216 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: and closing your chance set a thousand dollars it's got 217 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: to stand by for the keyword to enter at the 218 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: KFI website. John and Ken Show on KFI, everything's in 219 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: place today. The moist line is coming along at five 220 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: twenty the first round, and we do they're back. We 221 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: do have the mob members. They will be arriving soon 222 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: to throw a hack in the dumpster halfway through the 223 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: five o'clock hour here on the John and Ken Show. Well, 224 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: it's all the world just talking about the US Supreme 225 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: Court decision to overturn the abortion decision from nineteen seventy 226 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: three known as versus Wade. I put it this out 227 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: before Gloria Alread was involved in that case, so it's 228 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: been around awhile on the forefront. I saw a picture 229 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: of her from like nineteen seventy three. So what we're 230 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: talking about is what we're talking about a lot when 231 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: it comes to national politics. The Red States versus the 232 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: Blue states. There were more Red states than there were 233 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: Blue states, but there are more people living in the 234 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: Blue states than in the Red states, so it's always 235 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: going to be this ugly divide. There are twenty six 236 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: states which would at least like to restrict or perhaps 237 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: ban abortion. It's estimated that it could affect forty million women, 238 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: and not long after this ruling, we had one spring 239 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: into action already today Missouri. Missouri became the first state 240 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: following the decision. The attorney general there filed paperwork effectively 241 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: ending abortion in the state. So if you're interested in 242 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: an abortion in that state, you either have to have 243 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: it done illegally or traveled to another state. Of course, politicians, 244 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: particularly here in California, use this moment to rile up 245 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: the masses. What the Democrats are hoping is that this 246 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: does lead to a big turnout in November at the polls, 247 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 1: because if you follow all this, the polls eventually lead 248 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: to the votes, and they want to control Congress. And 249 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: if they control the House and the Senate, and they 250 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: got Biden as president, maybe somebody on the Supreme Court 251 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: dies or otherwise resigns and they can get through a 252 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: nominee that can reverse these kinds of opinions. They hope 253 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: this drives turn out. I remember after Justice Scalia died, 254 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: they were thinking because the Republicans controlling the Senate blocked 255 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: any movement on replacing Scalia right away until after the elections, 256 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: and everyone was outraged and there was crowd saying, oh, 257 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: this is going to lead to a big turnout in November. 258 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: People are worked up about this, they're blocking the process, 259 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: and it didn't. So I don't know that this is 260 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: going to make a difference In the end. People vote 261 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: and what's affecting their daily, everyday lives. That's not abortion. 262 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: All these worked up people in the streets, they're a minority, 263 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: all right. As loud and as emotional as they are 264 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: and worked up as they are, they're just a minority. 265 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: Most people go about their lives and things that affect 266 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: them include like stuff like inflation and gas prices, crime, homelessness. 267 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: These are the things affecting their everyday life. But the 268 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: economy is always number one, because we're all affected by that. 269 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: Do I have a job? Am I going to get 270 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: a raise? How much does this costing me? Can they 271 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: make ends meet? And who's the better person to try 272 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: to figure this out? That's all that really is going 273 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: to matter. In the majority, there will be people that 274 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: vote on an issue like this in a decision like this, 275 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: and sometimes in the primaries and other small elections they 276 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: can make a difference. But in November, and of course 277 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: it's a midterm election, the turnout will be much lower, 278 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: so it's possible that there'll be an impact. The other 279 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: thing that happened on a national level is that we 280 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: did get a gun bill that was passed by both 281 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: the United States Senate and the United States House of Representatives. 282 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: It probably is going to be signed by Biden very soon. 283 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: Thirteen billion dollars that's suspending in it to toughened background 284 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: checks for the youngest of the gun buyers, allegedly keep 285 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: firearms from more domestic violence offenders, and help states put 286 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: in place these red flag laws that makes it easier 287 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: for them to take weapons away from people that are 288 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: thought to be dangerous. It's going to fund local programs 289 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: for school safety, mental health, violence prevention. After the shooting 290 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: at Uvaldi, there was a lot of screaming do something. 291 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: They shouted it at Biden. He yelled back on trying 292 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: do something, do something. Well, this is it. The way 293 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: things are in Washington, DC now and the divide that exists. 294 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: You're lucky to get anything passed because the Senate's kind 295 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: of in a gridlock with fifty seats held by each party. 296 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: So this is what you get. Is it worthless? Probably? 297 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: Is it something? Yes? So does that end all the screaming? 298 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. Is it going to end the mass 299 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: shootings at the schools? I doubt it, all right, And 300 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,959 Speaker 1: of course many have already picked this bill apart to say, 301 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: what's been happening in some of the more recent mass 302 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: shootings is not really covered by this bill. But you know, 303 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: they went and they did something. So it all remains 304 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: to be seen exactly how that plays out. All right, 305 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: We're coming up on the John and Ken show here 306 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: on KFI. You know, I just wanted to mention this, 307 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: and I heard Debra marks news Yeah. The other thing 308 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: is if you do get the turnout in November to 309 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: affect and keep control, I guess Democrats the House of 310 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: Representatives and maybe somehow take the US Senate. What they 311 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: could do is codify Roe versus Way. That's what Biden 312 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: aston to do today. We heard Knewsom talking about that 313 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: when this draft opinion came out a while back, that 314 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: you just make it state law or in this case, 315 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: federal law, that the women have a right to an abortion. 316 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: So that's another answer. Another answer is to take an 317 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: abortion pill. Some refer to it as a virtual abortion 318 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: because you don't actually have to go in for a 319 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: medical procedure. There's a pill you can take for up 320 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: to ten weeks after pregnancy to end it. So there's 321 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: a couple of pills you have to take because there's 322 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: another pill that prevents cramping and bleeding in the situation. 323 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: So it's another solution for those who may live in 324 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: a state on there are restrictions on the sale of 325 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: some of these drugs in those states, but some other 326 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: way to effectively end the pregnancy without all this stramonstable 327 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: emotion on the streets. All right, coming up after three o'clock, 328 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: we have an important guess. One of the things that 329 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: George Gascon is said as he tries to fight off 330 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: the recall effort Recall District recall George Gascon. He has 331 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 1: said that he's got the science on his side. The 332 00:18:55,280 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: research that says that the longer somebody spends in prison 333 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: and the more likely they are to commit crime. Again, well, 334 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: that's been refuted in a report we'll talk about after 335 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: three o'clock. It's a federal study about federal prisoners. But 336 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: I don't see why it wouldn't apply in many other 337 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: cases with criminals. We'll get into the details with our 338 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: guests from the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation after three o'clock. 339 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: All right, so here's the story. I was just mentioning 340 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: we got Fox eleven's always entertaining this is a serious story. 341 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,479 Speaker 1: Ed Lasco's report. Apparently they had to evacuate the Recall 342 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: Gascon offices yesterday. Let's listen. It literally looked just like 343 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: a white powder cloud that's shot out of the envelope, 344 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: and then it literally moved over to the right over 345 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: all of our other mail that she was opening. These 346 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: pictures roma inside the Recall Gascon campaign office. The white 347 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: powders see it there, spread all over the desk and 348 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: the other mail. A closer look at that suspicious envelope 349 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: shows not only is it packed with that threatening powder, 350 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: but also Shastika's at a threatening message to Campa volunteers. 351 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: I went back in with gloves on to pulled the 352 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: letter out, sold the swastikas all over it and basically 353 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: telling us to mail our petitions to Adolf Hitler and 354 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: hail And with a two few choice profan due works. 355 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: The campaign office and the entire high rise building you're 356 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: on Olympic Boulevard all sealed off, LAPD and La City 357 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: Fire rushing in even sending it a hazmat crew, taking 358 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: no chances with that white powder that may have contaminated 359 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: other mail with valuable petition signatures. We were afraid that 360 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: with the white powder going over all of our mail, 361 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: that they were going to have to confiscate that as evidence. 362 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: That is The campaign to get the recall question of 363 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: the La County District Attorney George Gascone on the ballot 364 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: is now down to its final two weeks, facing a 365 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: tight deadline to present it's hundreds of thousands of signatures 366 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: to the county for certification. We're in the two week 367 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: final stretch here, so every hour that office is open 368 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: and operating and counting and verifying signatures is critical. And 369 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: what they've done is they've not only disrupted that for 370 00:20:58,119 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: the latter half of the day here, just the fact 371 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: that somebody would take it this far is really shameful 372 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: and despicable. The recall campaign says that threatening white powder 373 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: shows just how high the stakes have become in the 374 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: effort to remove the controversial district Attorney George Gascon. It's 375 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: a never ending revolving door of random things. But we're 376 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: not stopping. So you know, at any way thinking about 377 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: pulling a plug on this. Heck, no, we are here. 378 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: We are going to recall him. He will be gone 379 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: now live, the campaign manager, saying his staff is doubling down, 380 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: more committed than ever to get all the signatures, get 381 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: the buffer they need, extra signatures, get them certified, and 382 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: get this recall on the ballot in the fall. Again. 383 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: That white powder looked to be threatening at first, not threatening, 384 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: according to La City Fire. They've run some test on it, 385 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: they realize now out saying it is nothing more than 386 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: baking soda. The campaign office expected to be back with 387 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: its volunteers first thing in the morning, counting again and 388 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: certifying more signatures on the petitions. All right, that's ed 389 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: Lasco's from Fox eleven. It's a three room office in 390 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: West LA. That's where they are tearing open the envelopes. 391 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: Of course, what they did was a mailing. They sent 392 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: out the petitions to many people in La County registered voters. 393 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: So that's why they've been getting a pretty good return. 394 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: I have to tell you, and I'm looking at the website. 395 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: It is recalled da George Gascone dot com. Petitions must 396 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: be mailed by today or dropped off at one of 397 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 1: their petition locations and is link by June thirtieth, which 398 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: is next Thursday. Because by July sixth, which I believe 399 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: is a Wednesday, they have to have all the signatures 400 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: that they want to be counted and verified turned into 401 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: the La County Registrar of Voters. So there's a lot 402 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: that they have to do before the signors don't hear 403 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: the July sixth deadline and think, oh, I still got 404 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: a couple of more weeks. You don't. And in fact, 405 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: if you do want to mail it in, you ought 406 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: to be doing it by today. So if you're an 407 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: LA County registered voter, go to that website and it's 408 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: a little link there to print the petition at home 409 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: Recall da George Gascon dot com. And while you're there, 410 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: check out the links. It's a good website, including the 411 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: one that's called Victims, and you can read about all 412 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: the stories we've mentioned this week that we have at 413 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: least four murders on the hands of George Gascon, the 414 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: two police officers in El Monty, an off duty LAPD 415 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: officer who's killed earlier this year, and then we have 416 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: the homeless Manipoquima who was killed by another person who 417 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: benefited from the George Gascon policies. This is not exaggerated, 418 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: This is not made up. And when you have over 419 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: ninety percent of the deputy das in George Gascon's own 420 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: office saying he's got to go, don't you believe this 421 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: is real? Yet? You know, the remaining cheerleader for Gascon 422 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: is the El Segundo Times. They sent the reporter good 423 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: old James Queely two that three room office in West 424 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: LA where he's describing what goes on there, and this is, 425 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: of course, is the recall George Gascon offices. He does 426 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: mention what we just played for you from Fox eleven, 427 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: but it's kind of like in the middle of the 428 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: article and looks to be just a passing thing. I mean, 429 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: you could always imagine that if there were people collecting 430 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: signatures for a cause that the Alsigundo Times really believed in, 431 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: they would play up at the big headline the fact 432 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: that they got an envelope with powder in it, and 433 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: it could have been a very dangerous substance. And this 434 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: is like a domestic terrorist attack, but in this case 435 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: it's just it's waved off. So the article basically goes 436 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: through how many signatures they need to collect, and then 437 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: it gets to the point where they talk to a 438 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: researcher at you see Berkeley who says this is going 439 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: to be tough because even though they've collected enough signatures 440 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: to affect a recall, they've got to have quite a cushion. 441 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: He says, on average, up to thirty percent of signatures 442 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: gathered in a recall do fail a verification test, meaning 443 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: they need at least seven hundred thousand signatures in hand 444 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: by July sixth. You know, last we talk to them, 445 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: they had about five hundred and seventy thousand roughly, so 446 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: you can see they need that cushion of at least 447 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand signatures. They did mail out 448 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: three point six million petitions not too long back, and 449 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: there's also a little criticism of that too, because kind 450 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: of understandable, this was before the June sixth primary, June 451 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: seventh primary, and some people may have just discarded and 452 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: thinking it was more campaign mail. Other people may have 453 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: signed it, sent it in, but they've already signed the 454 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: petition somewhere else along the line to recall gascon Now, 455 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: the recall people mentioned in the story here say that 456 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: they do go through those to make sure they don't 457 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: already have the signature from that person that responded to 458 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: the mail in. But oh yeah, here's the part. Late 459 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: Thursday in Los Angeles police responded to the recall offices 460 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: after they received an envelope containing what was described as 461 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: a white powder. The substance was rendered safe, no one 462 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: was injured. So it's like two sentences. So it's kind 463 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: of what I call a soft, backhanded slap because the 464 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 1: second half of the article pretty much is interviewing Gascone 465 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: and he's trying to claim in here that he had 466 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: already softened or adjusted his directives and policies. It has 467 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: nothing to do with the recall. It's just a learning 468 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: process kind of along the way. As we see what 469 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: happens with our policies, we can adjust course. But I 470 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: don't think so, and we know from a couple of 471 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: the cases he came right out and announced some changes 472 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: after the uproar, particularly particularly concerning the Tubs case. James 473 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: Tubbs is the pervert that blest a ten year old 474 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: girl years ago up in the Antelope Valley and he 475 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: wasn't caught until years later, and Eventually, George Gascone is 476 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: DA by the time his case comes in front of 477 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: the La County District Attorney's office. By then, he's already 478 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: gone on to commit crimes in several other places around 479 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: the West Coast, including including a murder charge up in 480 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: Current County, but that wasn't known by Gascon at the time. 481 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: Gascon was prosecuting him. But because he was a transgender 482 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: he claimed his name is now Hannah Tubbs is James Tubbs. 483 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: And because he was seventeen at the time he attacked 484 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 1: a little girl, he got soft treatment. So at Gascon 485 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: said after that was oh wow, we're gonna leave it 486 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: up to our prosecutors. If they want to go to 487 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: adult court, they can do that. There's not gonna be 488 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: any hard and fast rule that everybody underage has to 489 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: go through juvenile court. I see, we adjusted, We adjusted, 490 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: He adjusted to the blowback, all right, So after three 491 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: o'clock we're gonna have a pretty good guest on because, 492 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, Gascon likes to say that science is 493 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: on his side that criminals who get long prison sentences 494 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: are actually more likely to commit more offenses when they're 495 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: released than those who get short sentences. That doesn't make 496 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: common sense, at least from the perspective that if we 497 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: keep them away longer, they're not committing any crimes no 498 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: matter what they do when they get out. But we'll 499 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: talk about new research. Chef to the news at three 500 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: o'clock John and Ken's show here on kf I AM 501 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: six forty US and Chinese scientists have implanted human cells 502 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: into monkey embryos. An international team of scientists working on 503 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: a project say that they have discovered strong evidence for 504 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: the existence of a new force of nature. The patient 505 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: accusing the doctor of some bad bedside behavior, and it 506 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: is all caught on camera. Doctors started grouping cases together 507 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: about a brain illness. The discovery of a potentially new 508 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: and unknown syndrome is scary. Scientists are now trying to 509 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: unlock the secrets of this strange syndrome. Researchers say they've 510 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: found the skull of what they believe as a new 511 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: species of humans. It involves an eighteen year old baby 512 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: faced kid who the guse of masquerading as a doctor 513 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: treating patients out of his own clinic. The mystery disease 514 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: is devastating. We just want to know what it is. 515 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: The testing for dementia Alzeybus Parkinson. He even did antibody testing, 516 00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: historical antibody testing. As we come on the ear this evening, 517 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: the nation has now reached that grim new milestone, the 518 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: outbreak of a mystery virus that now has the World 519 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: Health Organization on edge. And now an update from the 520 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: John and Can Health and Science dash, Oh you bet, 521 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: John and Can. Yeah, Well it's ken KF I am 522 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: six forty. We're a live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app 523 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: again coming up after three o'clock. New evidence to refute 524 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: George Gascone, the Elle County District Attorney who likes to 525 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: tell every reporter he can find, science is on my side. 526 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: Research shows that the longer you sent in somebody to prison, 527 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: when they come out, they're more likely to commit crimes 528 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: again than people that get shorter sentences, which is bs' 529 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: You can't make a blanket statement like that, but there 530 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: is research we're going to talk about. The shows, of course, 531 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: the opposite that those who get longer sentences do commit 532 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: less crimes when they're eventually released versus those who get 533 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: short sentences. And it makes common sense. You get a 534 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: short sentence, you're like it's hardening any punishment for this, right, 535 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: thanks to measures like Prop forty seven. That's why we 536 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: have a big homeless and drug problem. Pretty simple, eight 537 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: years of that, all right, So we'll get into it 538 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: with a researcher from the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation after 539 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: the news at three o'clock and you'll find out all 540 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: the details behind the study. Well, we're at the Health 541 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: and Science desk, Deborah Mark, and I did this story 542 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: because I thought of you. Oh what is it you 543 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: seem to be. You seem to care about your skin. Oh, yes, 544 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: that's an understatement. And for a while you had shiny face. 545 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: You had a treatment done right, remember sometimes yes, yes, yes, yes, 546 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: And I remember seeing you in the all the way. 547 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it looked nice, but it was like shiny face. Well, yeah, 548 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: I was glowing. I'd like to say it was glowing, 549 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: not really shiny face. But you know you liked the 550 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: procedure then, didn't you? Well, I liked it the way 551 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: my skin looked. Yeah, I know, did that last or 552 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: how does that? No? My face is not quite as 553 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: shiny as it used to be, but I still think 554 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: I look youthful. I haven't had a facelift yet. Well, 555 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: do you know on your face and really all over 556 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: your body the pores right, skin pores? Yes, you're aware 557 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,239 Speaker 1: of what those are? Yes, I am all right. I 558 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: hope you've you're not eating, because we're going to give 559 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: you an update on what's living in there. Mites. What 560 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: I don't have mites and my pores. Everybody does not me. 561 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: Not only that this part is great, They not only 562 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 1: live in your pores, but when you're sleeping at night, 563 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: they come out and made on your face. Can really 564 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: this I'm talking about? This is not new research, that's 565 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: already happened. But the new research is that over the 566 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: years they become so simplified that they may actually become 567 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: one with people. That's how they're evolving. The mites are 568 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: passed on during birth that are carried by almost every 569 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: human being numbers peak and adults as the pores grow bigger. 570 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: So I imagine if you care about your skin, you 571 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: want to make sure you clean your pores. I guess 572 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: is what they're trying to say. And yes, if you 573 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: go and have a facial you get the pores cleaned out, 574 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: which I haven't done in a long time, but now 575 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to do that. Asap. Oh, you want to 576 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: hear about this. They measure about point three millimeters long, 577 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: so they're pretty microscopic. They're found in the hair follicles 578 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: on the face and the nipples, including the eyelashes, and 579 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: they eat something called sebum, which is naturally released by 580 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: the cells in your poores, so that's what they feed 581 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: off of. They become active at night and they move 582 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: between your follicles looking to mate with each other. Isn't 583 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: this really creepy science fiction? It's real though. This is 584 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: one of the most disgusting stories I've ever heard. We 585 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,719 Speaker 1: talked about the mic years ago, and John and I 586 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: were like, especially because we're thinking about while you sleep 587 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: they're moving around anyway. According to this new research, they're 588 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: isolated existence and resulting in breeding because they're just finding 589 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: each other on your body is causing them to shed 590 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: unnecessary genes and cells, and they might transition from what's 591 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: referred to as an external parasite to an internal symbian. 592 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: That's basically what they means. They're kind of meld with 593 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: human beings. We found that these mites have a different 594 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: arrangement of body part genes to other similar species due 595 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: to them adapting to a sheltered life living inside your pores, 596 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: and it results and changes to their DNA, resulting in 597 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: some unusual body features and behaviors. Due to their isolate 598 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: existence with no exposure to external threats, no competition to 599 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: infest hosts, and no encounters with other mites with different genes, 600 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: genetic reduction has caused and become extremely simple organisms. Oh, 601 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: with tiny legs. Well that's how they move. They do 602 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: have tiny legs. So if you pop as that's that's 603 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: coming out as well, I would imagine. Yeah, the mites 604 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: are probably in bright yeah. Uh and wow, this part 605 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,959 Speaker 1: is really hard to believe. Mites do have um penis 606 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: is an anuss, Yeah, they do. Males have a penis 607 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: that protrudes upward from the front of their body, meaning 608 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: they have to position themselves underneath the female when mating 609 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: and they copulated. Is they both cling onto a human 610 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: hair in our pores? Yeah, on your body, on your pores, 611 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: it could be in your eyelashes. I don't know your 612 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: body hair, you said, nipples. Yeah, they can also hang 613 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 1: out there. Yeah. Yeah. One of their genes has inverted, 614 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 1: giving them particular arrangement of mouth appennages that are especially 615 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,399 Speaker 1: protruding for gathering foods. As they mentioned, they live off 616 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: something you secrete from your cells and your pores. That's 617 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: what they live off of. Isn't it just amazing the 618 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: complexity of not just the human body, but what's living 619 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: on the body. Mits have many more cells at a 620 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: young age compared to their adult stage, and this counters 621 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: the previous assumption that parasitic animals reduce their cell numbers 622 00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: early in development. And originally they thought that mites did 623 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,439 Speaker 1: not have an anus and therefore would accumulate all their 624 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: feces through their lifetime before releasing it when they die, 625 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 1: which some blame for people's skin inflammation. Isn't that disgusting? Yes, However, 626 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: this new study says they do indeed have anuses, and 627 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: they've been unfairly blamed for many people's skin condition So 628 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: there you go. That's a that's a mark against the 629 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: mites that necessarily isn't true. Oh wow, So it's important, 630 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: it says in here to keep your pores in your 631 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: face unplugged, unclogged. And you're right, you should probably go 632 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: for a poor cleaning. Yeah, if I need to go, 633 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: If you really freaked out about the mating on your face? Well, yeah, 634 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: who wouldn't be freaked out? Yeah, it's what are you 635 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: gonna do? And you're gonna go run out and get 636 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: a facial Now are you gonna sit there at night 637 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: scratching your face thinking, Oh, there they are, they're on 638 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: my face. I don't know. I just interrupted some coitus. 639 00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: I'm so disgusted with the animal stories and forget Oh god, 640 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: this is awful. I like the animal stories better dead animals. Really, 641 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: it's not that I like dead animals, but this is 642 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: unbelievably disgusting. I want to throw up right now. All right, 643 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: we'll be at the recall da George gascon desk. Will 644 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: we come back for new research that refutes what he's 645 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: been saying now for a long term, even before he 646 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: got elected, that inmates who serve longer prison sentences are 647 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: actually more likely to recommit. 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