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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back George Glory with you. Nick Jenkle with

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Speaker 2: us as an authority on unlocking and integrating meaningful change, innovation,

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Speaker 2: and transformation in our daily experience and existence. He has

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Speaker 2: three decades of experience as a thought leader, futurist and

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Speaker 2: entrepreneur and has coached and developed more than one hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand senior leaders. How many books do you have out now?

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Speaker 3: Well, I've got six books written on the sixth one

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Speaker 3: it will be out in the next six weeks.

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Speaker 4: Probably good for you.

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Speaker 2: You let us know when that's ready and we'll mention

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Speaker 2: that what's that title.

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Speaker 4: Going to be? Speak, Electric, Lead, Magnetic.

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Speaker 2: You come up with the greatest titles for books.

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Speaker 4: It was actually a co creation with Ai. That one excellent.

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Speaker 2: That should be a big hit too. AI is all

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Speaker 2: over the map these days, isn't it exactly?

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Speaker 4: Exactly?

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Speaker 2: How did you get involved in studying human consciousness?

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Speaker 4: Wow? I mean most obviously through my own curiosity. I remember.

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Speaker 3: Sitting in Barmetzva class when I was twelve, listening to

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Speaker 3: the synagogue service in Hebrew and English, and it's going

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Speaker 3: this isn't really that interesting to me?

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Speaker 4: There must be something more interesting about how I think

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Speaker 4: and what I think and why I think. And then

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Speaker 4: I realized it's not just about thinking.

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Speaker 3: It's about feeling and sensing and connecting and relating. And

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Speaker 3: so I just exploded into psychotherapy. Having psychotherapy, I studied philosophy,

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Speaker 3: I studied science, studied medicine, and then spent the last

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Speaker 3: thirty years exploring and experimenting on a daily basis with

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Speaker 3: my own consciousness, and I guess helping other people explore

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Speaker 3: and experiment with their own.

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Speaker 2: What does human consciousness.

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Speaker 3: Mean to you, Nick, depends which day you asked me.

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Speaker 3: No one knows how to describe it. That's been one

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Speaker 3: of the great challenges of philosophy for you know, five

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Speaker 3: thousand years. But the easiest way I think of it

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Speaker 3: is what goes on when I close my eyes and

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Speaker 3: I turn the light of awareness. Let's say, back on myself,

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Speaker 3: and I feel some staff, I sent some stuff, I

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Speaker 3: think some stuff.

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Speaker 4: That's consciousness. It's what's happening on the inside.

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Speaker 2: You call it your inner subjective world. What does that mean?

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Speaker 3: Well, because people get stuck in consciousness being thought and

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Speaker 3: consciousness is a lot more than just thought. So it's

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Speaker 3: your inner world, and it's your subjective world. It's your

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Speaker 3: idea of there's a subject that's.

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Speaker 5: You, me, everyone, And it's the experience of what it's

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Speaker 5: like to be me or you inside, not what other

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Speaker 5: people can see or measure necessarily, but what I experience

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Speaker 5: of myself being myself, which can start off to be

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Speaker 5: quite small, but over.

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Speaker 4: A lifetime of studying your.

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Speaker 3: Own awareness, your own experience, you can find some incredible

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Speaker 3: depths and riches, like a rainbow of possibilities.

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Speaker 2: Do you find that most people tap into their consciousness

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Speaker 2: to get things done or do they even know.

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Speaker 4: They do?

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Speaker 3: But I think it's a very limited aspect of it.

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Speaker 3: It's the repetitive habitual set of scripts, if you like,

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Speaker 3: which is you know, I'm the controlling script, I'm the.

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Speaker 4: Having fun playing sport, watching TV. So we get stuck

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Speaker 3: Grooves, if you like, and we don't realize we've got

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Speaker 3: a limitless number of records to play in our consciousness,

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Speaker 3: and we get stuck playing five records.

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Speaker 4: So I think what I've.

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Speaker 3: Learned, and I'm still learning, and I'm in my fifties

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Speaker 3: and I'm still finding new aspects of my consciousness when

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Speaker 3: I look inside.

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Speaker 2: Does consciousness make somebody a better person?

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Speaker 4: Great question?

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Speaker 3: I think if you commit to exploring the inside of you,

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Speaker 3: and that means you're going to find some things that

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Speaker 3: are painful, and you're going to find some things that

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Speaker 3: are sad, and you're going to find some things that

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Speaker 3: are maybe a bit ugly, if you are willing to

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Speaker 3: experience those aspects of your consciousness. What I've learned, what

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Speaker 3: I've discovered, it's probably one of the most important things

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Speaker 3: that I could give anyone to, one of the greatest

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Speaker 3: sit with those things inside your awareness, they kind of disappear,

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Speaker 3: or they transform, or they transmute, or they alchemize, and

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Speaker 3: they become wisdom, they become grief, they become growth, they've

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Speaker 3: become strength. So I do believe that if we can

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Speaker 3: actually become better people.

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Speaker 4: Ultimately.

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Speaker 2: You argue in your book Spiritual Atheists, which is a

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Speaker 2: great title, that modern science basically pooh pooed human consciousness

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Speaker 2: and there was a mistake.

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Speaker 3: What happened, well, This is interesting because I actually went

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Speaker 3: to a college that is one of the great science

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Speaker 3: and very much into just if you can't measure it,

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Speaker 3: you can't see it, you can't prove it, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: mean it doesn't exist. And once I got into my

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Speaker 3: inner world and what most people will call spirituality that

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what that means anymore. I started

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Speaker 3: writing this book, Spiritual Atheists, and I was like, because

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Speaker 3: I wanted to try and find the way through being

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Speaker 3: a science lover, but also knowing there's something there are

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Speaker 3: things that science can't speak to or talk about. And

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Speaker 3: I went back into the history of science and I

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Speaker 3: discovered that one of the great early scientists, Galilea, he

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Speaker 3: was you know, studying things as scientists were doing in

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Speaker 3: those days, you know, looking at the moon and looking

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Speaker 3: that anything that's in that internal subjective experience, it can't

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Speaker 3: be pinned down. So he decided to split the world

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Speaker 3: which are you know, speed, need mass, acceleration, which we

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Speaker 3: thinks we can measure with us some kind of measurement machine.

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Speaker 3: And then he created this other thing called secondary qualities,

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Speaker 3: all those things, and basically one think of the rest.

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Speaker 3: He said, look, we can't study those things because they

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Speaker 3: don't they're not measurable, so let's just not talk about them.

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Speaker 3: He didn't necessarily mean it don't exist, but you fast

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Speaker 3: forward a few hundred years, and the general modern mind says,

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Speaker 3: if you can't measure it, it doesn't exist. It's not real,

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Speaker 3: and it's caused us a massive problem because we don't

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Speaker 3: know where psychology lives, we don't know where spirituality lives,

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Speaker 3: because you can't re measure a lot of these things.

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Speaker 4: So part of my.

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Speaker 3: Life's work really is to what's the word, to sort

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Speaker 3: of rehabilitate this inner consciousness into science so that we

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Speaker 3: don't see them as two totally different things, but two

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Speaker 6: And I know you're gonna want someth after hearing this,

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Speaker 6: this is an amazing story.

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Speaker 1: We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.

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Speaker 6: Now I understand that Malachi, who is eight almost nine

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Speaker 6: years old now, was suffering with not just one or

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Speaker 6: all over his body, so significant it impacted his ability

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to right.

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Speaker 7: It was Tie's book actually that got me thinking about it.

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Speaker 4: I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 1: It is an amazing immuno modulator, and so I can

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Speaker 6: And so at what point did you see that there

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Speaker 7: Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.

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Speaker 7: You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller

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Speaker 7: The whole things are gone, and we're talking about what's

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Speaker 7: one the size of the wanner. I thought, no way,

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Speaker 7: that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to see him

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Speaker 7: get into a pair of shoes.

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Speaker 6: Yes, how wonderful.

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Speaker 4: It's great to see. I'm so happy and yes.

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Speaker 2: Nick In the subjective awareness of consciousness, some people are

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Speaker 2: more aware of their thoughts, feelings, in existence and surroundings

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Speaker 2: than others. Is that something you can train somebody to do.

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Speaker 4: I mean I didn't start out.

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Speaker 3: I mean I was always curious, and that's probably like

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Speaker 3: one oh one curiosity. If you're curious, you follow the

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Speaker 3: break drums of your own awareness.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, there are all these different practices that you can do.

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Speaker 3: And I use the word practice very specifically because you

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Speaker 3: have to keep practicing.

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Speaker 4: You don't just do it once. And the way I've.

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Speaker 3: Always talked about it with clients and with people I

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Speaker 3: work with is that if you become a martial artist,

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Speaker 4: Of your whole kung fu life.

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Speaker 3: You keep you practice every day, same as if you're

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Speaker 3: a jazz musician, you practice every day. So if you

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Speaker 3: view that in the world. And it's extremely practical, and

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Speaker 3: at some point. You have to keep practicing daily, So

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Speaker 3: I practice daily hours, you know, pop out hours every day.

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Speaker 3: And there are lots of different tools if you like

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Speaker 3: practices you can use. I have a color coded way

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Speaker 3: of explaining them. But there are just different ways to

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Speaker 3: keep returning to this inner life and don't just watch Netflix.

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Speaker 3: And I love Netflix, but if I don't do my

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Speaker 2: Is intuition close to consciousness or separate?

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Speaker 3: Funny enough, inturition was what I was going to do

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Speaker 3: my PhD on thirty odd years ago.

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Speaker 4: Didn't do one in the.

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Speaker 3: End, But yes, intuition is a part of consciousness. It's

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Speaker 3: this uncanny sense that something is real or true or

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Speaker 3: interesting or important, but there's no sort of logic flow

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Speaker 3: or rationality for it. It doesn't have a you didn't

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Speaker 3: watch it on the news. It's not something you learned,

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Speaker 3: and yet it feels true and important as something to

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Speaker 3: pay attention to, and different cultures have different words for it.

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Speaker 4: So I think intuition is one of the most.

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Speaker 3: Important guides to learn how to listen to and use.

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Speaker 3: But it's a cheeky thing because sometimes what I call

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Speaker 3: instinct masquerades is intuition. And instinct is like fast and

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Speaker 4: It's not urgent and scary. It's much more, you know, it's.

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Speaker 2: Is intuition psychic?

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Speaker 3: My wife and I work together and she's much more

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Speaker 3: or intuition as I would call it, doesn't really matter

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Speaker 2: Really, do you find nick that most successful people are

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Speaker 3: Which funny, actually, there's some research that came out years

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Speaker 4: So I think it is for everyone.

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Speaker 2: You wrote a book for your teenage son sometime ago

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Speaker 4: But I've I've done gone a bit further and map them.

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Speaker 3: one of the tools that we teach people is how to.

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Speaker 4: Befriend the elementals that they're.

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Speaker 3: Least least familiar with with with using in the world.

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Speaker 2: Do we have these four elements within us all the time?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean I think they actually do map onto these

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Speaker 3: I want everyone to know none of them are bad.

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Speaker 3: We wouldn't have them, we wouldn't have evolved these incredible

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Speaker 3: hours if they were bad.

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Speaker 4: But we can get a bit wedded to some of them.

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Speaker 4: That's that's the bit.

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Speaker 2: And I would guess Nick, some people would use these

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Speaker 2: elementals naturally without much effort.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think most people favor one as they get older,

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Speaker 3: or it's just their talent, you know, Like some people

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Speaker 3: just love talking to people and being connected and listening

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Speaker 4: You know, a parent or a care and other people really.

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Speaker 2: What is a person lacking if they don't tap into consciousness.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm going to give you two things and

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Speaker 4: So the first one is an endless.

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Speaker 4: When you when you, when you learn how.

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Speaker 3: To feel fully comes all this creativity and all this

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Speaker 3: that basically the bit of nature that as you be

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Speaker 4: So that's the first thing that you get access to.

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Speaker 3: But the second thing is is, I guess let's just

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Speaker 3: call it something larger than me.

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Speaker 3: The one God that you know, their one God or

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Speaker 3: But without that thing bigger than you, it feels to

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