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Speaker 1: My name is Eva Longoria and I am my traon

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Hungry for History, a podcast that explores

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Speaker 1: our past and present through food.

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Speaker 2: On every episode, we'll talk about the history of some

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Speaker 2: of our favorite dishes, ingredients, and beverages from our culture.

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Speaker 3: So make yourself at home, even Brichel. Thanksgiving is coming up,

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Speaker 3: which means trips to the market, the crowded markets.

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Speaker 2: Every market right around Thanksgiving is a zoo and that

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Speaker 2: kind of energy has existed in markets ever since they started.

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Speaker 3: Today's episode is all about mercados.

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you something.

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Speaker 3: My first cookbook, I did a love letter to produce managers.

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Speaker 4: After that, I love I love a good produce section.

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Speaker 4: I love it. That's why I like mercados. I like

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Speaker 4: to go.

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Speaker 3: And this is living in Mexico and now in Spain.

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Speaker 3: You have to take a little your own shopping cart

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Speaker 3: because you have to go to the market to get

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Speaker 3: your vegetables. You got to go to the butcher to

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Speaker 3: get your meat, and you got to go to you know,

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Speaker 3: the flower place to get your flowers. Like they don't

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Speaker 3: have the souper market that has everything they do, but they're.

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Speaker 5: Not as popular. Yeah, I wish it was like that here.

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Speaker 2: You know, I try to go on Sundays, I try

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Speaker 2: to go to the farmer's market and there's one not

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Speaker 2: far from me.

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Speaker 5: There are a few sort of around around me. And

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 2: And I love it because you're supporting the local farmers,

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Speaker 2: you know, and and that the markets in Mexico or

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Speaker 2: the Wahaka Golula market is incredible. There's this one in

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Speaker 2: Wa Watemala that I went to, Chichi Castenango. That's unlike

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Speaker 2: anything I'd ever ever seen before. So yeah, and I'd

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Speaker 2: love that. It really gives you a sense of community.

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Speaker 3: So I feel like markets have historically in the soul

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Speaker 3: of every community. It was the blass i. It was

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Speaker 3: the place where everybody was seen. It was the place

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Speaker 4: And so what is the history of meticalgo's in the markets?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they, like you said, they are the

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Speaker 2: soul of every community. And really their initial history predates

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Speaker 2: the oldest records. And they they are something that, you know,

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Speaker 2: they connect social and economic lives of cities. They showcaser regions,

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Speaker 2: you know, food and because some of them are many

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Speaker 2: of them, especially historically are ephemeral. They are difficult to

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Speaker 2: find archaeologically, you know, because of this, because sometimes they've

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Speaker 2: only lasted for a few days or for or for

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Speaker 2: a week. A stall was set up and then taken down,

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Speaker 2: so there's not much of a trace. But there have

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Speaker 2: been markets, of course for and thousands and thousands of

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Speaker 2: years in every part of the world.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, when I went to Morocco, they have

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Speaker 3: the famous spice market, which has been around.

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Speaker 4: For thousands of years.

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Speaker 3: That's like one of the oldest markets, and it's called

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Speaker 3: the spice market because you see all the spices of

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Speaker 3: this beautiful, big relapsed sacks.

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Speaker 4: And I love to see that history.

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Speaker 3: And it's obvious that that they're living archaeological finds right

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Speaker 3: like they're continuing to this day.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, And this is one thing that really strikes me,

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Speaker 2: Like when I went to Toaka or to Chichatemala, it's like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, this is this is a history, this

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Speaker 2: is living history. This has to be you know, preserved forever.

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Speaker 2: And they bring people together.

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Speaker 3: The ancient Greeks probably you know as one of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the ancient Greek Agora was a major focus of

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Speaker 2: everyday affairs, and they traded everything from food to perfume.

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Speaker 2: You could get your haircut, you could go for a drink,

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Speaker 2: and they just did. They had everything like many markets

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Speaker 2: you know, do today in this ancient Greek agora, which

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Speaker 2: I find a fact that I find really kind of

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Speaker 2: funny is that bread sellers were notoriously loud and vulgar.

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Speaker 2: They needed to make a mark so that people would

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Speaker 3: Markets differ wherever you are in the world. Sometimes they

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Speaker 3: are the soups, so the bizarres, the mercados. I love

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Speaker 3: the fact that they support small businesses, yes, right, Like

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Speaker 2: They're really the soul of a community.

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Speaker 3: After the break, friend of the show chef Brian Ford

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Speaker 3: joins us to talk about his new cookbook, ban Dulse,

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Speaker 3: the Latin American baking book Today.

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Speaker 2: Bread is one of the most important things that you

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Speaker 2: could buy at a market. So we thought, why not

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Speaker 2: chat with Brian about what those early loaves of bread

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Speaker 2: were light.

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Speaker 5: That's after the break.

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Speaker 4: I'm great for history.

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Speaker 3: Got a chance to talk to chef Brian Ford, baker extraordinaire.

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Speaker 4: He joined us last season for our Toba episode.

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Speaker 5: Brian's new book is really special.

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Speaker 2: He includes native grains and roots that would have been

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Speaker 2: sold in pre Hispanic mercados to make contemporary breads grounded

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Speaker 2: in history. Enjoy our conversation.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Brian, who are you. I'm good. I'm so happy

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Speaker 5: to see you.

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Speaker 6: It's been a while. Thanks for having me. I appreciate

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Speaker 6: it so much.

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Speaker 2: So I want to talk about your book, Banni Dulse,

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Speaker 2: The Latin American Baking Book. You have over one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty recipes from all of the Latin American countries

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Speaker 2: from Mexico, Central South America to the Caribbean. You set

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Speaker 2: the reader up for success, but you also include a

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Speaker 2: lot of history and cultural insight, and that is what

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Speaker 2: I think makes the book really shine. The history of

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Speaker 2: Latin American breads are not straightforward, like you say, right,

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Speaker 2: Some breads trace their roots back to indigenous ingredients and traditions.

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Speaker 2: Some of the moros to a reaction to colonization, and

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Speaker 2: others are influenced by West African traditions. So there's a

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Speaker 2: lot going on there. And you really talk about all

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Speaker 2: of this, do you have a whole section on grains

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Speaker 2: and roots with native ingredients like cassava, quin amoranth corn

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Speaker 2: and these are all ingredients that would have been found

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Speaker 6: Yep?

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Speaker 5: Right? What kind of native breads were.

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Speaker 6: Being It's difficult to pinpoint exact and this is something

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Speaker 6: that I'm going to be pursuing forever, uh, you know,

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Speaker 6: and hopefully you know, find better avenues into.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 7: Documentation is really the word, right, It's like how how was?

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Speaker 7: How was pre Hispanic baking documented? And there's trace evidence

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Speaker 7: banda ambato was a was a bread that was made

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Speaker 6: The for fermentation.

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Speaker 7: And the initial colonists there they felt that it was

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Speaker 7: where they came from. Amorant is something that's always you know,

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Speaker 7: grown in Latin America, and you know, I tried to

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Speaker 7: utilize amorant in a way that it could utilize its

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Speaker 7: nutritional benefits in like the sour dough starters and sour

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Speaker 7: dough preferments or incorporating you know, fifty or one hundred

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Speaker 7: recipes just to let that indigenous grain shine through, you know,

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Speaker 7: concocted some of my own ideas of how amorant could

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Speaker 7: sorthum's indigenous to Africa, it is it's a grain that's

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Speaker 7: commonly used in Central America to combat hunger and to

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Speaker 5: So fascinating.

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Speaker 2: I was surprised to see sorgum in there, actually because

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Speaker 2: But you mentioned this whole, this whole thing about just

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Speaker 2: but we know about it because the colonizers talked about it, right,

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Speaker 2: So it's like who's telling these stories? Like who gets

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Speaker 2: to you know, tell these stories exactly.

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Speaker 6: It's tricky, It's tricky. It's not easy. Yeah, but hopefully

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Speaker 7: Opening the door, you know, this is this has definitely

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Speaker 7: I can research and like you know what almost like

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Speaker 6: And it's tough because you know, you have you have

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Speaker 7: Right, So you know, we're talking about so many different

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Speaker 7: Then you have the indigenous, which and then there's so

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Speaker 7: many different types of indigenous, you know, different tribes and

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Speaker 7: you have this kind of trifecta of influence and it's like,

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Speaker 5: And even at the beginning of your book you talk

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Speaker 2: It has Latin because it was colonized by people who

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Speaker 2: into complex web, which is super super fascinating. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: is like way before wheat, and wheat was introduced pretty

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Speaker 2: the first known harvester of wheat in the America's was

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Speaker 2: Juan Garrido.

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Speaker 5: It was an African. Let's talk about it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, let's talk about it.

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Speaker 7: It's the most fascinating, one of the most fascinating stories,

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Speaker 7: which I you know, I have I have ambitions, uh,

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Speaker 6: But Garrido was that's not even his real name, you know,

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Speaker 7: I mean, I'm trying to find his you know, his

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Speaker 7: how could if we know his name was one Garrio,

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I'm so excited about cooking from

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Speaker 2: your book.

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Speaker 6: Thank y'all.

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Speaker 2: And They sold everything there from precious stones and tools,

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Speaker 2: The largest and most important pre Hispanic market, or the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could get gold or cotton, but yeah, but yeah,

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Speaker 5: But women too.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so they set up their own fares and market

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Speaker 2: which reflected this new commerce and trade routes.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: So you had like the Manila galleons that connected Manila Takabuco. Right,

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Speaker 2: this is this voya three months to get from a

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Speaker 2: cup would go to Manila, six months to get from

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Speaker 2: Manila in the Philippines, which was a Spanish colony, and

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Speaker 2: a month and a half to unload and repack at

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Speaker 2: each location. So that was one trade route. There was

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Speaker 2: also the flood that the Indias which connected Gaddi's to

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Speaker 2: Cuba redcrus in Mexico City, but they took them a

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Speaker 2: while to unload and unpacked. It's a month and a half.

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Speaker 2: In Acapulco, it's like party time, it's like a fair.

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Speaker 2: So people would come over even Peruvians would come to

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Speaker 2: Mexico to buy Asian goods and take them back to sell.

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Speaker 2: So this is when we start seeing sevice in Mexico

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Speaker 2: and Acapulco brought over by you know, Peruvians, and so

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Speaker 2: this these fairs they had these roots in medieval Europe

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Speaker 2: and they were there was entertainment and merchants came together.

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Speaker 2: They would buy ingredients, They would pick up ingredients that

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Speaker 2: would that they had ordered, you know, a year before,

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Speaker 2: six months before.

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Speaker 5: So there were major fares.

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Speaker 2: There was a major fair in Acapulco that sold furniture,

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Speaker 2: you know, China spices. There was another fair in Jalapa,

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Speaker 2: Verracruz that sold hams and choriso olive oil, almonds, you

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Speaker 2: know all of these Spanish you know, wines and so.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it just the culture just completely changed.

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