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Speaker 1: slash the PSG podcast now. Please keep in mind that

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Speaker 1: all of my guests are a nomness. So let's again

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Speaker 1: this week's episode. So I am super excited to sleep

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Speaker 1: with my guest today on her journey on becoming the

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Speaker 1: first female rapper signed to death Down. But first time

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Speaker 1: I tell you all the backstory. So I don't even

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Speaker 1: know if you know the backstory. I don't think I

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Speaker 1: know it, but go ahead and tell it. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: I was there though, No, definitely. So her son is

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Speaker 1: my best friends fiance. So one year we all spent

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving together, me and Monica. I was talking about skincare,

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Speaker 1: of fitness, all this other stuff, and I think you

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Speaker 1: had left to go home. So all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: I started like singing rapping Danny's Little Girl, like mad random,

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Speaker 1: and so day I was like, you know, Mom wrote

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Speaker 1: that song, And I'm like, wait, what really? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: did not know. And ever since then, I've been stopping

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Speaker 1: her non stop, y'all. It's been a long process to

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Speaker 1: get her on this show. But but but the funny

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Speaker 1: thing is that you randomly start singing that song. That's

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Speaker 1: the funny thing, Like all the songs you could have

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Speaker 1: saying clearly, um, you could be my child too. But

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Speaker 1: that's why I call you mom. Oh my goodness, that's

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Speaker 1: so funny. And the movie Just Another Girl from IR

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Speaker 1: that's like one of my favorite movies and she was like,

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Speaker 1: how do you not know that? And I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I said, I'm just casual conversation. She didn't

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Speaker 1: everything we was in it. We was all in the

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Speaker 1: skincare stuff in the like chopping it up because we

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Speaker 1: both found out that we just have to have a

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Speaker 1: love for skincare. And I don't know what woman doesn't like.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, everyone should have and man, I should have

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Speaker 1: a love for skincare. Real talks random, But how are

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Speaker 1: you feeling? I'm feeling good, you know, um over here

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Speaker 1: in Harlem, getting through all this wild stuff that's happening

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Speaker 1: over here. Yeah, everyone was talking about the shooting of

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Speaker 1: alcohol last night. Yeah, well that's just that's just one

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Speaker 1: of many. He just happened to be, uh, one of

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Speaker 1: the more public or popular shootings. But I mean even

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Speaker 1: the night before he got shot, there was like shots

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Speaker 1: right on the corner of my block. And then this

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Speaker 1: morning somebody got shoting. Like I'm like, the random shootings

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Speaker 1: are up, like gotta be like over like it's crazy,

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Speaker 1: but everywhere I don't know. I don't know where all

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Speaker 1: My question is where are the guns coming from, Like obviously, yes,

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Speaker 1: guns don't kill people. People feel people got it, But

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Speaker 1: where are the guns coming from? Because we don't have

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Speaker 1: like everybody got everybody got him, you know, And it's

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Speaker 1: like I heard this like crazy like trafficking online all

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Speaker 1: So hopefully, you know, looking like Eric Adams who looked

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Speaker 1: like he's about to be the mayor in New York City,

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Speaker 1: I can't get it to these politicians. So yeah, oh

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Speaker 1: And then the aggressiveness, how they pushed him out the

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm definitely a little disappointed that he's

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Speaker 1: let do I need to see that he's gotta be lies?

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Speaker 1: I cannot No, I mean I see that. I am

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Speaker 1: super excited. I feel like I well, it's not I

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Speaker 1: feel I know I am talking to a true hip

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Speaker 1: respect you deserve? Because when I was on my research

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Speaker 1: and you you're really put in mad work. Well you

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Speaker 1: know what I find. And I'm not one of those

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Speaker 1: people that get angry and go online beefing and barking.

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Speaker 1: Just the one time I did when they did the

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Speaker 1: then from time to time people will like a lot

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Speaker 1: of times you see things where female rappers are involved

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Speaker 1: we couldn't find you, we didn't know where this da dada,

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, all the women you're interviewed all have

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Speaker 1: all have my number. Now is it their fault that

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Speaker 1: I'm not on these productions or these shows. No, it's not.

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Speaker 1: I'm just a different kind of person. Like I would

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Speaker 1: make sure at least you know, my co sisters get

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Speaker 1: Like if there's an event happening, orf there's a show

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Speaker 1: you do, you can't erase me. And you can't um,

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Speaker 1: you can't like you can't mother, you can't money the facts,

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Speaker 1: Oh it was all about them and not about forget

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Speaker 1: when it comes to stuff like that. I think that's

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Speaker 1: and not for nothing. People get to check and they'll

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Speaker 1: be like, oh wow, yeah they didn't call you, huh,

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Speaker 1: and that'd be their story. So it's like, it's cool again.

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Speaker 1: I don't get bothered by people, but there's been several

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Speaker 1: And something happened with they were doing some posts and

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Speaker 1: was like, it's cap He was like, they have Foxy

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Speaker 1: The first I was like, right, So I called Kevin

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Speaker 1: that because I still always was around the office and

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Speaker 1: oh no, how did that get there? Now? Heart a

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Speaker 1: cap nothing Now you don't know. But nothing goes by

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Speaker 1: without you sign it off on it. Nothing gets done

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Speaker 1: sign off on it. But I explain that to him.

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Speaker 1: I said, listen, I don't really care how many records

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Speaker 1: gonna rewrite it. So you have to change this or

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Speaker 1: So long story short, he said, he said, absolutely absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And I also felt like they can't mentor other women

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Speaker 1: and she's doing a lot of stuff now, she's been

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Speaker 1: And then the thing about headlining, for those who don't

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Speaker 1: that a top. I said, she got ter, but she's tiny.

426
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 1: She got a little body able to do it. She

427
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 1: don't look crazy and I wasn't mad at and I'm

428
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 1: not mad at that, you know what I mean? So

429
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: that I believe it's her and she's always got a

430
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,440
Speaker 1: post stuff and defend herself too, Like she posted something

431
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 1: today saying, you know all you'll be talking about how

432
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 1: you know I'm a TikTok artist, But just so y'all know,

433
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 1: every artist music gets loaded up to TikTok when it

434
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,119
Speaker 1: come out. It's just the platform that's used. So people

435
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: always find a way to hate, you know what I mean.

436
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 1: So for the women that are doing it, I'm proud

437
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 1: of them, um, and I'm glad that they have other opportunities.

438
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 1: But when I look at these networks and ever be

439
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 1: like ship Queen Keith and need three more movies to

440
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 1: catch up with these he he was like, how do

441
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 1: you get know all this money, especially if you're not

442
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 1: selling hard copies and stuff? But in the hard copies

443
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: is where the money used to be alone. You're publishing

444
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: and now show. So the thing is the shows make

445
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,120
Speaker 1: the money. Like back then, I might have capped out

446
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 1: of twenty thousand a show right now, the female wrapper

447
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 1: coming out now, she's capping out the cap not The

448
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 1: cat might be a million, The cat might be a

449
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: half a million. The cat might be too hunted. The

450
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: cat might be a hunted. It depends on who the

451
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 1: artist is. I can't imagine Cardy getting anything under show,

452
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. She wants to I know

453
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 1: she wants at least a million the show. That's a

454
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: lot of bread. That is a lot of money too, though.

455
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I sound like a downs dinosaur now,

456
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 1: Like what the hell long this money is a cryptocurrency,

457
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 1: like gonna turn into something else? Like I don't confused.

458
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: But it's a lot more money out there. And even

459
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: somebody like myself is still put out a press project

460
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: and make some money because I feel like there's a

461
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: base for everybody, you know, because everybody at my base

462
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: is not going to a party b or mad concert.

463
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm just appreciating it from an artist standpoint, from being

464
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: one of the people who laid the bricks in the game,

465
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: you know, to open doors for these women and other

466
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: artists in general. Um, and I'm excited that you're putting

467
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 1: your documentary too, because I feel like people need to

468
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: know more about your story. Yeah, they're gonna be so

469
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 1: surprised me. Yeah, because I felt like, well even when

470
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: I was doing my research, I'm like, they gotta be

471
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 1: more information than what just being a rapper Like, I

472
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 1: feel like people only associate you, associate you with that.

473
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: But I also feel like they started they you don't

474
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 1: get the respect that you deserved. Well, you know, there's

475
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 1: a lot of ghost right, and you know when you ghost, right,

476
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: that's what the whole thing is. You're not supposed to

477
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 1: see a ghost, right. So there's a couple of songs

478
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: out there that definitely got my name or my my,

479
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 1: my my style and my lyrics attached to it. Um,

480
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: some of your bigger artists and back from back then. Um,

481
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: So this thing that I would not ever be able

482
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: to frankly say, I can tell you that I've definitely

483
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: been a ghostwriter for some of your bigger rap artists

484
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: back then, and um, that's just it is what it

485
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: is when your ghost, right, So those things you won't

486
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: be able to say. But I've also worked um and marketing,

487
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: you know, at Baby Fat Fatform when it was at

488
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: its height, I was a marketing manager over over there

489
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: and for eight years. And um also uh you know,

490
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: worked at Queen Latieth's label, was the head of her

491
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: label for a couple of years, but she was doing

492
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: her music. Um and her label also put together her

493
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: album for her. UM. Yeah, and UM, I've done a

494
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 1: couple of things like if you see, if you see this, um,

495
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: if you see Jez put out a post and this

496
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: is this is why I was doing my marketing because

497
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 1: it was my party. That's why I was laughing when

498
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: I saw when he was like jay Z was with

499
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 1: him at the party when he was fighting. That was

500
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: in my That was that my Vegas party. And it's

501
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: so funny. That was because I was I was the

502
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: marketing manager. Was that little Buddha in Vegas at the

503
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: Palms Hotel Malou Brothers on the Palms Hotel, which is

504
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: an amazing hotel. Now, um, we we did that hotel

505
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: for like fifteen years, uh, just every year twice a year,

506
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: three times a year. So anyway, this particular night we

507
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: did a little Buddha and it was one of our

508
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: active parties for sales and all of that stuff. And

509
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: we always do the biggest parties like nobody would with

510
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: Russell Simmonson started party puff and them was like, uh nope,

511
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: So you know they knew what it was. Our parties

512
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,479
Speaker 1: were always the biggest party. So that night, who come

513
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: through the door? I see Jeezy come through the doorm

514
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: like okay, and I see J and B come through

515
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,479
Speaker 1: the door like okay. And then and the funny thing

516
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: is a real quick story. This is funny. So Jay

517
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: wills up. He's like, hey, buddy, what's up, gives me

518
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: a little hug, and I'm like, oh, hang, what's up?

519
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: How you doing? So of course White you're looking like

520
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: so she's like, who is this random door girl that

521
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: you know like me? While you don't know? I put

522
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: the two fifty thousand down for this party, right and

523
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: this is my twollar budget for this party, so let's

524
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm affording this for everybody. Um my company is

525
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: rather so anyway, So it's so funny, and I know

526
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: she had to ask Jay who's this When she came

527
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: back out, she introduced herself to me and I was like, ok.

528
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: I was like hello, yeah, So I know they had

529
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: to be listen. We all know that Be is crazy

530
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 1: with Jack and she don't let burgo burgo. She like me,

531
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: like we see it all, Well, who that why she did?

532
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: What's her name? Never? Well, what we're doing, we gotta

533
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: go back out there talk. But that was just a

534
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: funny quick story to that. So the fight did break

535
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: out that night, and Jeezy got hands just as well

536
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: as Jay Diane like they was like it was it

537
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: was these two artists that m Russell had signed, and

538
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: they was just drunk and it was just out of it.

539
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: It was just out of it. And they would call

540
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: themselves like you you know how it is. You've got

541
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: these new artists and they want to stunt on the

542
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: artists that got money because they think because they got money. Yeah,

543
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: and then y'all got knocked out. So that wasn't really

544
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: what it was supposed to be. So how do you

545
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: get knocked Yeah, people right is gonna mess with you

546
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: no more like you got my god. See, people just

547
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: think that dude just don't got no hands. You forget

548
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: like he might be so spoken, but he's still now

549
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: still for Marcy, like some things just don't get old. Right. Well,

550
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: let's start from the beginning. So what inspired you to

551
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: start rapping? Because I know you was born in Newark

552
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: and you moved to l A UM I see um.

553
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: I always loved hip before I moved out of the

554
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 1: state estates. Before I moved out of North New Jersey,

555
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: I always loved hip hop. I was already with the mixtapes.

556
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: I was already, you know, spicing my tape when they

557
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: break put it back together with the small I was ahead.

558
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: Loved hip hop all the way through and through the

559
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: stuff that that wasn't on the radio. So that's why

560
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: the mixtapes was such a big deal, because you've got

561
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: all the artists that you've never heard of before, and

562
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: it was just like, oh, so you got you know,

563
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: so I would sing all the songs. And when he

564
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: moved to l A and I ran into iced team

565
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: Meta metam all. Long story short, He's just like, yeah,

566
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: you're always singing everybody's songs, but you know, come hang out.

567
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: You know the first people like come hang out away

568
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: in my homies. We got you know, my homie dj Um.

569
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: We go to a club every now and again. We

570
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: were young still then, right, So this is like a

571
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: two years after I got into l A, Like I

572
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: was literally about to come out of high school and

573
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, you can come to the

574
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: club whatever. So he was cool, complete gentleman, big brother,

575
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: hundred percent, you know, with nothing shady about that. I've

576
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: always put that out there because people swear people always

577
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: be trying to sleep with girls, and that's not the

578
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: case at all. Um. He was like, you always singing

579
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: other people stuff, don't you see? You don't write your

580
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: own rounds? And I was like, write my own rounds.

581
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, So I wrote something that I

582
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: brought it back to him. He was like, oh you

583
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: really do you really conrap? He's like writing me something else.

584
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: So the more I wrote, the more it just became

585
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: spit of stuff like spit spit, spit black bars on this.

586
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: I'm that you're not you know what I mean? I am.

587
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: And he was like, okay, now I need you to

588
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: get into it, write and like other stuff. And I

589
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: was like, oh, other stuff. But you're a rapper, you're

590
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: like other stuff. What what that was? Other stuff? This

591
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: is it? But what he meant was to become conceptual.

592
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: Wright saw things like that, So you know, I started

593
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: to kind of grasp it even more because this is

594
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like I come from where it really

595
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: really was about. Um, it really was. It really really

596
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: was about the bread and the butter of it all,

597
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: the mixing of the cake because I like to say

598
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: it as um where I come from, we had to

599
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: actually get the bread, you know, we had to get

600
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: the flour, the butter, the water, the we had to

601
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: get everything and bake it. Today it's just at water,

602
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: you understand. So there's a difference. So back then we

603
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: had to literally sit down and make things happen. We

604
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: didn't have the quick fix like they have today. So

605
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: working with iced Tea, he kind of started putting me

606
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: on shows. I got connected to the radio station, I

607
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: started doing promos with them. That's when, Yeah, he actually

608
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: let me open up for him. Um and these are

609
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: just freestyles again, you just be just rumen, ain't nothing else.

610
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: He's just taking me everywhere with him. And then opened

611
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: up for him at the mix and I met li

612
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: Or Cohen, who is now you know, nobody knows h

613
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: Leo Cohen is in hip hop You Live under a

614
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: Rock Google. He also was the head of death Cham

615
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: when I was on the label too after US switched out.

616
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, just google you or I think he's the

617
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: CEO at um YouTube now or something. But anyway, Leo

618
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: was actually the club manager and he said to me, said,

619
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: cause Hudini performed that night run DMC. I was just like, yeah,

620
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: I can't believe him opening up for all these people.

621
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: So you feel like, I know you had to be

622
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: like hip hop heaven. I was, but my personality doesn't

623
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: really allow me to go crazy, so it's like not

624
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: because I feel like I'm better than I just don't

625
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: possess that starstruck kind of thing where inside I'm doing cartwheels.

626
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: I'm like yo, And I felt because you know what

627
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: it is for me, when you walk in your purpose

628
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: and you start walking in your dream, you feel like

629
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: you belonged there, so it doesn't affect you the same way.

630
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: It's if you know what I mean, if it was

631
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 1: somebody outside just wanted to come see the group. For me,

632
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: I felt like I belonged, like this is where I belonged,

633
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: So it just didn't hit me the same way. But inside,

634
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: trust me, I'm like, oh, this is bugged out. So ironically,

635
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, I did all that and I finally got

636
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: to um l A met somebody else, talk to somebody

637
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: because I tell the story so much that it's it's

638
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: like I don't want to short change you. But this

639
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: is basically what it is. You know in short um,

640
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: wind up, wind up meeting somebody else in the l

641
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: My home girl who got me on the phone with

642
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: to produce was just who were doing ll cuj's album

643
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: at the time. Spit them over the phone. He's like, yeah,

644
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: I gotta get out here. We hopped in the greathound

645
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: bus came to New York. That's when my career kind

646
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,479
Speaker 1: of started because I got to the studio. They had

647
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 1: ll cool J time l a, things like tile will

648
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: never show up, He'll never show up on time. Coming here,

649
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: let's cut the demo. We'll get it to Russell. That's

650
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: basically how it happened. And then I got signed to

651
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: Deptha and maybe like six or seven months later after

652
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: I hit the work, I thought it was funny. I've

653
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: read somewhere that you lied to him your mom and

654
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: told her that she was already signed. So what did

655
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: she I don't know, she haven't really I told her

656
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: that a long time after, like, I'm like, I never

657
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: had no deal, right, And she was like he did

658
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: it and I was like, nah, I never had a

659
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: deal of mine. I've totally lied to her. I was like, Yeah,

660
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: I was like Russ some sittings waiting for me in

661
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: New York, and I was like, Damn, I have to

662
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: go to depth jam. Now I absolutely did, and and

663
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: I absolutely did. And this is the strip that people

664
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: in the magical power that people have that they don't

665
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: really as they have. It's it's when you want something

666
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: and you could actually see it. The only way to

667
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: really get it is to work towards it. It doesn't

668
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: really come to you. You walk to it, and then

669
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: the universe continues to push you and put the things

670
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: in your path, but you have to be walking that path.

671
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: So it just in general, you know what I mean,

672
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: Just in generally speaking, if you are a gun toten

673
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: hold ask you know, knocker, then what you're gonna do

674
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: is you're gonna wind up being that person in that

675
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: street and that's how you're gonna keep moving and that's

676
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: how your life is gonna be. But if you are

677
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: the brothers said, you got a brother and one tope

678
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: guns and one tope uh numbers, then he gonna probably

679
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: become a dope c p A, or he's gonna become

680
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: somewhere in finances, or he's gonna run some kind of

681
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: business because that's that's his path. So and when it

682
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: comes to manifesting things, whether it be good or bad,

683
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: you literally are gonna manifest what comes out of your

684
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: mouth and out of your thoughts. So people need to

685
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: really really understand how that works. And to them it's

686
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: probably like some freakish like what. No, be clear, if

687
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: you want something, you can absolutely have it. You just

688
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: have you have to speak into the existence and you

689
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: have to walk towards it. It doesn't happen like you

690
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: just thinking about it. You have to put the work in.

691
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: And my mission it was steadfast, Like I stayed the course.

692
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: I was homeless. I slept in the World Trade Center.

693
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: I slept in the Penn station in New York. I

694
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: lost all my lugging somebody Robin's for luggage. I got

695
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: the pigeon dropped. I went to all those states. I

696
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: slept in the back of a video store and woke

697
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: up in the morning to open up the store and

698
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: went to work because that's the home that I had

699
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: at the time. Like I've done some things, um not

700
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: anything that I'm not proud of, So be clear, I

701
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: never want no problems like that about that. Look you

702
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: gotta put that out there because people be like, girl,

703
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: but what you're talking about you've done something. No, I've

704
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: done thing that that that the thing that a weak

705
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: person would not be able to do. Dat A called

706
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: home like my I'm on at home, I'm in the

707
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: video st You're coming from your your bedroom, plush sunny California,

708
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: palm trees, and you come in New York with all

709
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: of this funkiness going on, and you're talking about you're

710
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: gonna stay here the hustle. Listen, you just gotta have

711
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: a vision and you gotta believe. And I promise you,

712
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: oh my god, I promise you you will walk right

713
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 1: to it. Think that will take you right to it?

714
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: Like it's no way, it's no way. You're gonna get

715
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: it if you keep walking towards it. Not walking towards

716
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: it in a fantasizing kind of way, but walking towards

717
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: it where you're putting the working, the work has to happen.

718
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: I think that's where people get twisted when they when

719
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: we're talking manifesting, like anyway, that's a whole. Now, you're right,

720
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: you're right, No people do. But how big of a

721
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: deal wasn't when signed you it was the only deal

722
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: was a big deal and you know it's crazy, is

723
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: um Russell sign me? And he just is so funny

724
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: because he um when we heard the vid the voicemail,

725
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: because we were there one day, we were broken, I

726
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: mean super broke. We was all putting money together for

727
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: forty so you know he was broken. Um grown as

728
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: people putting like a dollar and something together, like with

729
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: what part of the game is that? And that's you know,

730
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 1: pre meeting my bagor daddy. But that's a whole another story.

731
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: I don't know, only that it is because people look

732
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: at people they think it's easy, isn't it. But it

733
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: takes a lot of work to go after the dream

734
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: that you the guy gave you. It takes a lot

735
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: of work. Absolutely takes a lot of work and a

736
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: lot of perseverance, Like you have to really again say

737
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: this is what you want to work towards it. So

738
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: when Russell finally hit us up and was like, yo,

739
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: I listened to the demo the girl y'all gave me,

740
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: and I know he was listening to it with andre Horal.

741
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: She was like and he said, we listened to it,

742
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: and she stoked. She thought I wanted like he said

743
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: some other stuff, but you know, I want to put usself.

744
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: That's how us talking. But I didn't feel anywere because

745
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: it's like he called it the bitch, right, so he's

746
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: like the ship I gave men because this is this

747
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 1: is what they were doing back then, angel everything, but

748
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: but angels not smoking all of that ship back in

749
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: the day. Please, They could never even look at you

750
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: like a lady back then. Then who this bitch? She

751
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: fine like that and I'm not saying it's okay, but

752
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: that's just what's the legal um And anyway, he was like,

753
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: I don't know her name, but so then we was

754
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: all jumping around like crazy. So then whoop, go back

755
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: to the next message. Oh yeah, she said it's the ship,

756
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: she said, So we got damn time. That's what it is.

757
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: You'll want to sign her get it the same deal.

758
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: We all jumped around with screaming happy. So we all

759
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: got together, got a couple of forty ounces and celebrated

760
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: and um, I didn't have you know, these big dog

761
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: ways they had, Like my mom had a friend who

762
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: had a friend who used to be a lawyer. So

763
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: we actually met on a park bench and did the

764
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: deal and went over to paperwork and he put his

765
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: um you know, he marked off all the stuff that

766
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: he wanted to change, you know, and then we sent

767
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 1: it back and then they gave it back. And that's

768
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: how we was doing it. Like he didn't even have

769
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: an office. He literally was meeting me outside of the park.

770
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Are you surprised that people are still giving

771
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: out bad deals and the people are taking it? Oh?

772
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. It's called the music business. So it's like

773
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: tem percent music. And I was telling my son, is

774
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: like the fun the fun thing is being an artist.

775
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: That's the fun part. I just made this dope ass

776
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: song what what while ship could be lit? But now

777
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: that so that takes no time to do. It takes

778
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: no time when you think about it, right, and the

779
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: grand scheme, it takes no time to do. Mean and

780
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm not saying what you what we're doing and what

781
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: he's doing and what any artists doing isn't time consuming.

782
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: And that it's it's it's not that big of a deal.

783
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: It's just that that language is the language of the artist,

784
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: of the creative, from the creative to the fan. That's easy,

785
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: we can do that, but the language of the business,

786
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: it's it's a whole another, it's a whole another book,

787
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So of the industry is

788
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: business and ten percent is uh music. So today when

789
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: I see people still getting these deals to me, my

790
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 1: thing is, I want to learn crypto. Right, I don't

791
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: know crypto. I know I like what I see. I know,

792
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: I see I can make some money off of it.

793
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: But how does it really work? You know? It's like,

794
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: here's the thing, you know, and it's like, but you

795
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: have to educate yourself. So if you're an artist and

796
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: you're getting into the music industry, educate yourself. Google some

797
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: bad contracts, Google some bad deals, google some information, like

798
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: look for it because out there, it's out there. It's

799
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: out there. Like look at Meek Mill now and talk

800
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: about he mad at his label who was a thunk? Ye?

801
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: After all these albums, our Man has never received the

802
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: royalty check I put a life of me. I understand that.

803
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: I don't get that. Yeah, I didn't understand that either.

804
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: I didn't get that. So you mean to tell me

805
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: you've been living off the show money all this time?

806
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: Do you understand your royalties? Are there is the money

807
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: that says now, I don't want to go on the show.

808
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to go on to roll for the

809
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: next six months, but you allow because your royalties. It's

810
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: some it's some checks that if in fact, you wrote

811
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: all your stuff, which I'm absolutely sure Meek did, and

812
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: then maybe he even brought some songs, so a hundred

813
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: percent of the songs might have been his. So what

814
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: did you sign over to your label that you're not

815
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: getting royalty checks? Do you understand much money you're missing

816
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: out the records that you sell? Meek mills cells platinum albums?

817
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: How do you not get a royalty check? So I'm

818
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: bothered that we do it to each other. M h,

819
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm bothered that we do it to each other. Absolutely.

820
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: I would tell my I would tell the artists. I

821
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't give you a contract and have all your signature

822
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: tabs there without saying, did you talk to your attorney first?

823
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: You got to shore this the deal you want to do?

824
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: All right, then let's up, I would tell you. He like,

825
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what depth Jim did. This is

826
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: why I respect them. They gave me a list of

827
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: attorneys and some I was like, all the attorneys work

828
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: with them. I said, boy, yeah, these are music industry

829
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: attorneys doun. I'm sure they're gonna deal for a few

830
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: different people here and there, and this is why they

831
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: have these relationships, so they could communicate and make things

832
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: work out in the end for the label and the artists,

833
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: because it has to be fair and fair both parties.

834
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: It has to be fair to both parties. So when

835
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: you have somebody like a Meek Mill publicly saying that

836
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: he's never received a royalty check, that breaks my heart

837
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: because I know who you're talking to. You signed to

838
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: a black man. So when we do the same thing

839
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: that they did to us, it's a hundred percent, it

840
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: hits different, you know what I mean. It's just like damn.

841
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: So I'm not surprised that these deals are still happening.

842
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that these artists are not actually negotiating better

843
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: for themselves because I'll tell any artists that's listening right now,

844
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: if you are listening any artists out there, you aren't

845
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: what you negotiate. So you cannot sign something on paper

846
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: and say this is the deal I want to do

847
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: and then go back and say, nah, I don't want

848
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: to do that. Now. We gotta fix that. We can't

849
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: fix it. You signed it, and you can't go running

850
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: up down, running down on people but in a house

851
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: because you were ignorant it. You didn't understand the language.

852
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: This is why it's business. That part is business. And

853
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: then there's temper Cent. You're just a TEMPERA center is

854
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: the artist. That's it you have. The product is temper cent.

855
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: I can make tied detergent right now and call it

856
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: mobibble like Mobubble is coming out. I got mobible convergent.

857
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: And while mo bubble is better than tied, oh my god,

858
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: mobibble is it? But ye are you gonna get it

859
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: on the shelf? How are you gonna get it out there?

860
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: Who you're gonna connect, how are you gonna market it?

861
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: How are you gonna promote it? All of that is

862
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: the business part of the product. So I'm just sitting

863
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: in my house or my warehouse with a truckloads of

864
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: more bubbles and no where to put them because I

865
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: don't understand the business. So I get what I got,

866
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So going back said day

867
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: Warren Buffer said, and this is the thing that got me.

868
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 1: Every year I hear something from some billionaire, a trillionaire

869
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um, so well, off person or somebody that

870
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 1: I admired and they say something and it sends me there.

871
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: Somebody asked him, um, what do you have to say

872
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: to people who want to be wealthy, who wants to

873
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: be well off? He said, educate yourself. M hm, he said,

874
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 1: spend money on a course, spend spend a thousand dollars,

875
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 1: go get some education. It just doesn't happen that way

876
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: because if you think these people are billionaires from yesterday, no,

877
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 1: the old billionaires. Now, they're old billionaires, which means they've

878
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: been doing this for a long long time. So there's

879
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: a lot of education that goes into it. And I

880
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: would like to manage artists. The problem is artists think

881
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: that uh there, the managing artist is the hard part

882
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: because they're they're a little hard headed right now. Well,

883
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: I'm just helping out my son at this point, and

884
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: I call it help because he'll listen to me at

885
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: the time anyway. Either, But um, I'm managing artists is

886
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: bad because they just see the artists part of it

887
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 1: and they don't see the business part of it. And

888
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: I try to always say, remember you're a business man, yeah,

889
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: not a business man like Jay says, right, you could

890
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: be a businessman or you could be a business. So

891
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: you are a hundred of business. Once you incorporate yourself LLC,

892
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: you you're a business. Your business period. So you have

893
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: to move like a business. You can't keep moving like

894
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: an artist. So you get these artists like, yeah, so

895
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna send an ober for me? Yes, so you're

896
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: gonna make sure I got champagne? Yet for what what

897
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: are we doing here? We don't even have together, we

898
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: don't have nothing done. Like I'm trying to get to

899
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: get to the studio. What are you going to get

900
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 1: on that train or whatever it is? Figure it out,

901
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: you know. So it's it's it's hard to manage artists

902
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: today because they're looking at images, they're looking at everybody

903
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: else not understanding. Like even take me Goes for example,

904
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: before anybody knew about them, wasn't they grinding for like

905
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: eight nine years, already already on YouTube, already making money?

906
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: And then it's like where they come from? What? Why

907
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: don't you look up their history? Why don't you look

908
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: up and see where they came from? It's a NonStop

909
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: grind a thousand percent her name Ebony, But she's trying,

910
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: you know, um, everybody you know black people like say

911
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: her name is bon people looking at name right right,

912
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: you gonna definitely say that right well. Also like for

913
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: your first album because that's a classic. It was interesting. Um,

914
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 1: I had some dope producers on their large Professor Eric Sadler,

915
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: the Bomb Squad who did America's Most Wanted, does a

916
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: lot of public enemy stuff, um Sam sever one of

917
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: the dope producers back then, who was with the group

918
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: called Downtown Science and produced them. I had said, who

919
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: does a lot of little dirt stuff today? Like someone

920
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: produced our work with back then? They're still making like

921
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: big records today with these new artists you have like

922
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: the little dirts and all of that stuff. Um, who

923
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: get in music today or whatever? Who doing songs or whatever?

924
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: But with the same artist that I the producers I

925
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: worked with, So it was fun. It was interesting because

926
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how to structure an album at this time.

927
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 1: I'm just making songs, you know. So it came about

928
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: how it came about. But I feel like it was

929
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: such a dope album. All worked with leaders in the

930
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: New School who will Bust the Rhymes A was a

931
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: part of at the time. Charlie Brown did guilty. Um,

932
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: I was instructuring the album back then, so it was

933
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: exciting in a sense that, Wow, I'm on Depth Jam.

934
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: I'm working on Depth Jam Records. I was like, I'm

935
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: the first three all rapp but like that was my

936
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: mission when I left l A because of you know,

937
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 1: listen to the radios like I on that label, Slick

938
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: Rick Ellen, I want to go there. Um. So working

939
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: that album, I always had these guys in the back

940
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: of my mind, and Chuck the was always um very

941
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: uh triggering, Like he would always ask me questions that

942
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: I just never thought about and he'd be like, next time,

943
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: you see what you could be answered to that. That's like, damn,

944
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: why do you always do that? But I thought it

945
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: was great that I always got, you know, question about

946
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: the things that I was doing. So working on the

947
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: album and then working with some of the biggest artists

948
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: in the game, it was it was very testy, if

949
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: you will, and very trying, but in a good way.

950
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: You know. It just made me be better and stronger.

951
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: And yeah, and and the album itself got messed up,

952
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: I'll tell you in the midst of dropping it as

953
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: according to you know, because we might have just got

954
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: sound scanned maybe a year after the album came out,

955
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: so we don't know totally what all the numbers were

956
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: at this point. However, dropping a single in February, which

957
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: Russell was over excited to do, and then dropping an

958
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: album seven eight months later was a problem. You don't

959
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: start the fire, you don't put out the smoke and

960
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: then start the fight and keep it going. So that

961
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: was the that was the downfall there. I'll say that

962
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: that that the album. That was a problem with that

963
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: making an album back then, that it was it was

964
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: just dope, Like I just was doing it, you know again,

965
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: just doing what I thought I should have been. Mhmm.

966
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: So why do you think so many women appreciate the

967
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: song Daddy's Little Girl? Like, are you do you ever

968
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: get like surprised the reactions for women to come up

969
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: to you and tell you how much they appreciate it? No. Um,

970
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: that saw me and Russell came up within London m

971
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: hm um, because we were still at that the crossroads

972
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: of what kind of song we needed to put out

973
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: there and we came up with Daddy's Little Girl. But

974
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: he says, but it needs to be you know, conceptual,

975
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: it needs to be blah. Blah blah, and I was like, okay.

976
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: So when I first wrote the song, again here we

977
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: go with these bars, excuse me? And Russell was like, no,

978
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: rewrite it. So I wrote the song twice. So the

979
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: second one is what you guys got today and more meaningful.

980
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: Uh definitely. Uh. You know, to a lot of young

981
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: women out there, so I'm not surprised that it. Um.

982
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: It comes off as something that helped them get through

983
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: a tough stage and you know, the few pug years,

984
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: if you will excuse me, um, the years of like

985
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who they are and going through

986
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff because mhmm. When I was doing

987
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: the song, I would go on. I would go to

988
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: schools talk to the young women. I don't know if

989
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: the school is still there either be wells um a

990
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: school in Queens now. Back then the women I don't

991
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: know what the criteria is now with the curriculum is

992
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: or whatever, but back then the young ladies were pregnant.

993
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: We're young, and I would have conversation, you know, I

994
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 1: would go out there and I would talk to them

995
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: about the song. And it's something that I always like

996
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: doing anyway, so it was perfect. So I would go

997
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: out there and talk to him about you know, teenage

998
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: pregnancy and da da da da da. So I had

999
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: this one young lady and this is how when I

1000
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: knew the song really mattered. Um, it mattered to me.

1001
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: It mattered to me when people started singing it, and

1002
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: it was matter to me when people your work and

1003
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: you're you know so, but this was just really heartfelt.

1004
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: So talking to the young lady, I think she was

1005
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: like seventeen at the time, sixteen seventeen, and she was like,

1006
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'm pregnant and you know me and my

1007
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: m but my family is really against it. And you know,

1008
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: she's like, I don't know, Um, I'm stuck because it's

1009
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: like my families like you're too young. And this is

1010
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: why I'm at the school because I said, let me

1011
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: just go here. Because I think she was only like

1012
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: three four months, like she was still trying to figure

1013
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: out if she was going to be like keeping it

1014
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: not keeping it. And I said her, I said, well,

1015
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,280
Speaker 1: what do you want to do? I said, be because

1016
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: you're already pregnant, you already had the child. I said,

1017
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: you're right at this point, you know so she I said,

1018
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: so are you with the father, and she was like yes,

1019
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: I said, is it a real relationship? I said, is it? Oh,

1020
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm having this baby because I really liked this guy.

1021
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: I want to keep her. She said no, no no, no,

1022
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna write it a long time, and we didn't start,

1023
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: you know, having getting physical until like maybe a year

1024
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 1: or two ago or whatever, because they were childhood friends.

1025
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: So they obviously now they're rolling it into their teenagers,

1026
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: so they're really really were close. So I was like, okay.

1027
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: I said, well, what you can do is you could

1028
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: Everybody doesn't start a family the same way. I said,

1029
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: you can start your family how you choose to start

1030
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 1: your family. I said, but here's the great thing about

1031
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: what you're already doing. You knew that you still have

1032
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: to go to school, so you have to check out

1033
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 1: a pub regular school, and you're over here now. I said,

1034
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: So you still came to school because you know you

1035
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: still have to take care of yourself. You have to

1036
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: get an education. I said, so you're already on the

1037
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: right track, and this school is made for young women

1038
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: like yourself who want to still in education. But I'm

1039
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: pregnant and I can't just be walking around public school

1040
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: because in the eyes of the public. Oh, it's such

1041
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: a bad thing, I said, absolutely not. I said. Now,

1042
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: your family might not be pleased with what you're doing,

1043
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: I said, but it's really your life, I said. I'm

1044
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: not you know, I said, And I know you're young,

1045
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: so I'm not telling you to defy your parents or

1046
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: define what you're usually family standards are or whatever. I said.

1047
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: But you have to do it's best for you. I said.

1048
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: If you feel like you and this gentleman, this young

1049
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: man that you're with, are really strong, I said, because

1050
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: that's really the big ticket, I said, because people have children.

1051
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: These men get with these women and they break up

1052
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: with them based upon their relationship with the woman, not

1053
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: realizing they're breaking up with the family. So if you

1054
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: understand that you're building a family as opposed to having

1055
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: a baby by somebody you really love because he's so cute.

1056
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: And your baby that have good hair, I said, then

1057
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: if you know that's the whole thing. Baby that have

1058
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: good hair like s, that's the whole person tomorrow, baby

1059
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: that have their hair, I want to care to have

1060
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: nappy nots from here to you can't like I needed. Okay,

1061
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: that part So anyway, that was that we had the conversation,

1062
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: she was crying and all that stuff, and I said,

1063
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: and you're a favor, I said, don't cry. I said,

1064
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna keep the baby. I said, be happy that

1065
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: you're about to start a whole new life to somebody.

1066
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: And you want this, I said, I can tell you

1067
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: on it. It just bothering you so much because you

1068
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: don't want to not have it. I said, so I

1069
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: think you really want it. I said, so have it.

1070
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: It's where you want to be, it's what you want.

1071
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: And she was just like and she gave me a

1072
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: big old hug and everything right. So girl, fast forward. Um,

1073
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: I want to say, like three years later at the Palladium,

1074
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: the young man walked up to He was like, like

1075
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: easy he was there, like it was so dope, Like

1076
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: it was a dope night. So to me, he walked

1077
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: up to me. He was like, hey, how are you doing.

1078
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: I was like, how are you doing? He was like, Oh,

1079
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: I just want to introduce you to you know, I

1080
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: want to introduce myself to you. I was like. He's like,

1081
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm such and such like you would my fiance school.

1082
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: And I said, your fiance school. So he referred to

1083
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: the young lady to do it. He said, I just

1084
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: want to thank you because she came home and told me,

1085
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: or when I saw her, she told me the conversation

1086
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: she had with you, and she was fully invested. And

1087
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: so suddenly he's like, right now, she's my fiance. We

1088
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: already got one, we gotta place together, and we probably

1089
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: gonna have another one. And I'm just gonna thank you

1090
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: for talking about because you know now our family, Like

1091
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be you know, I don't think

1092
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: it would be able to be broken. And I was like,

1093
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 1: so those are really hardfelt moments, like when your music

1094
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: touches people like that, Like I never did anything for

1095
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: the dollar, right, so let's not be twisted. This for

1096
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: the business, and you do want to make money, so

1097
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: don't do don't do what we did back in the day.

1098
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: We were so happy to wrap and get on the record.

1099
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: We're just like we're killing yours three dollars. Yes, the

1100
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: people love us. It's bigger than that, way more fulfilling.

1101
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 1: Like I did a whole free show at carol Win's

1102
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 1: out in North Carolina, I think it was, and carol

1103
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: Win's is like a six flag park. It was the

1104
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: graduating senior class of whatever year that was Daddy's a

1105
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: Little Girl, all these other songs. They were loving all

1106
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: the songs, and I was like, where did they get

1107
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: all of this from? I didn't even know they knew

1108
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 1: the album like that. And this is a free show,

1109
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 1: because what it is when you do stuff for school,

1110
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: they'll give you a check free compared to what I'm

1111
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: used to getting. Right, So they paid for transportation, prayed

1112
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: the hotel, and give you a little per deem your

1113
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: pretty It might have been like a little right, So

1114
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: you did get paid something, but it wasn't what your

1115
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: show money would be. Normally it's school stuff, so it's

1116
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: not like a big deal. So anyway, you do the

1117
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: show and we're talking thirty thousand kids, thirty thousand graduating

1118
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: seniors singing your song at that age and at that

1119
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: time major you know what I mean. So that is

1120
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: more fulfilling to me. And the story about the young

1121
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: woman and her boyfriend fiance probably her husband now um

1122
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: they probably on like the fourth baby, but um, coming

1123
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: to me and having that conversation with me, it's much

1124
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: more fulfilling. So I say, I like to say, I

1125
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: love the fact that that He's a little Girl had

1126
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: a positive impact on women, young women and helped them

1127
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: through whatever it may be, or or made them feel like, dag,

1128
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy. You know, the other people do feel

1129
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: like this or this has happened to somebody else or whatever.

1130
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, I love that. What were some challenges you

1131
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: faced or your rap career because I know you mentioned

1132
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: and I read about your sophomore album and how they

1133
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 1: didn't want to financially support it. Well, you run into

1134
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: those things, Um, the challenges are those things like the

1135
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: challenges are um, just being understood and heard and respected,

1136
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: And it was hard to do back then because again,

1137
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: they still didn't know what to do with female rappers,

1138
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: so when we had our own ideas, it was more

1139
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: like you don't know what you're talking about, girl, you know.

1140
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: So that was those were I think were the most

1141
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 1: challenging things. And then I'm also not a yes person,

1142
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: so I tend to wind up around people only for

1143
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: a short period of time. Um, because not because I'm

1144
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: to be vocal about your career. No, absolutely absolutely, I'm

1145
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: just not one of those people that get in the

1146
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: circle and everybody's like, oh, ship that rad had is fly,

1147
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: and I'd be like dad, like ship but everybody, you know,

1148
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: but everybody else is like that had is fly and

1149
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, what they see. But it's because people

1150
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: always go with the more popular moment, the popular you know,

1151
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: thing at the time, and not that I'm imposing or

1152
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: anti like, no, it's not that I'm just not easily

1153
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: convinced of stuff and I'm not easily moved. Like and

1154
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: my son will tell you that. He'd be like, I

1155
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: don't even want to tell you nothing because you're going

1156
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: to year year yeah, and most of the time it's yeah, yeah, yeah.

1157
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: So I try not to get too excited about things.

1158
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: So back then, the challenges were being heard and being respected,

1159
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: being in the room and not having to play you know,

1160
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: uh fan two people you know, and not having to

1161
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: fan out over things people are saying because right now,

1162
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Nah, that's not something I

1163
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: would do. And then it's like come on, you know

1164
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: you and I'd be like, no, it's not something I

1165
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: would do. But it's like people tend to need that

1166
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: energy around them, and that's a lot of what the

1167
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: industry has. So that's why a lot of these people

1168
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: were crazy. A lot of these people are sitting around miserable.

1169
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: Like people will post pictures and they'll be keep key

1170
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: and who who in and look at wonderful on the Instagram,

1171
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: but they'll turn off their Instagram and lay down at

1172
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: night and be crying and so be empty and the

1173
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: heart be bad and bleeding because they've not been real

1174
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: with themselves. So a lot of challenges I had was

1175
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,959
Speaker 1: just being able to be me and then not being

1176
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: able to be me. Now, the one thing I'll say was,

1177
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: I think my ignorance to the business also was a

1178
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: part of the problem. Because I'm not gonna completely blame

1179
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: it on the business, my ignorance to understanding how the

1180
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: business works and being able to know what the future

1181
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: holds if in fact, I worked with this little bit

1182
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: of little less of money here now and these little

1183
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: things that I'm not getting down and then later on

1184
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: I'll get more, you know what I mean. So it

1185
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: was just like one of those things where I was

1186
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: just like, I probably should have learned how to pick

1187
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: my battles, basically, but the battle was not that big.

1188
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: It's not. But the thing is too I'm saying, I'm

1189
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: just gonna loan a little bit at that to it.

1190
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: But at the same time, The money that I was

1191
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: asking for back then was pities compared to what people

1192
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: were getting to put together a video. So it was

1193
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: challenging in a sense that I always had to make

1194
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: sure I was on point. Again, my label mates were amazing.

1195
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: Who j slippering? These two boys, Um you know now

1196
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: Red Man and EPMD and Boss who are love Oh

1197
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: my god, I loved Boss to death. Um you know

1198
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: you're you're up against all these these dope artists. So

1199
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it's like, wow, you just gotta

1200
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: make sure you you are on point. So those were

1201
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: some challenges for sure. For sure. Yeah, so my mom

1202
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: and a date, right, tell us the mom because you

1203
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: know what with the mouse and sleep was sixteens, so

1204
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: somebody was cheating. No, right, I saw me and my

1205
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: family saw him at the cheesehead factory. I think it

1206
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: was like a Green Green Acres or something, and so

1207
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: my uncle was like, yo, go up to him and

1208
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: get a artograph. I was I was a kid. I

1209
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: was never to go to him, like I ain't gonna

1210
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: be that kid or whatever. And he's like, he's gonna

1211
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: know you go up to him. So I went up

1212
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: to him. That's the autographic and I was like, oh

1213
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: he does because I look like my mom, so that

1214
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: I always be like, why is he not my daddy? Right? Yeah, yeah, everything,

1215
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: Like you really didn't look at that part of the playbooks,

1216
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: like you just said him a graze over the task,

1217
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: like you just I'm just gonna go through it. No,

1218
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: you had one job respectfully right right, hious, the one

1219
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: made you decide to not want to wrap anymore that reason,

1220
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: and I just felt like, um, well I'm still nice,

1221
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: so let's not nobody I'm kidding. But it was just

1222
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: a yeah, it was all of the shenanigans in the industry,

1223
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, early on what I was just explaining how

1224
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: things just wasn't what I thought it would be. And

1225
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: that was a transition struggle too, because now I wanted

1226
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: to be an executive. People like Rapper want to be

1227
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: in an office and pick up phones and do you know,

1228
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: figure out publishing notes and administrative work and PR stuff.

1229
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: I was all four, which is a blessing because it

1230
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: gave me so much more insight to the industry that

1231
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, and why I could have managed.

1232
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: So that was a great thing. Like it gave me

1233
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: fall on everything, which is today. Part of the reason

1234
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: why I'm definitely working, you know, gonna work with more

1235
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: artists because somethings just don't change, you know. Um, all

1236
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: of it is the same. You need to always be

1237
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: understand your business. You need to have good attorneys and

1238
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 1: they have good accounty and good all those things have

1239
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: to be in place. All those things. That's what's gonna

1240
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: make your your your business growth. So um, yeah, looking

1241
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: back now, would you have would you have done anything differently? Yeah,

1242
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: I would have shot the video for the less of money.

1243
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: I would have done of a couple of things that

1244
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: we're looking back. Um, but again I can't pull somebody

1245
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: for not knowing and we're still talking about small things.

1246
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: The only thing I would and I can't really say

1247
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: I would have done much different because again I was learning,

1248
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: So I can't say, yeah, I would have done that different.

1249
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: It's not like a relationship with me and a guy,

1250
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: and you know it was my attitude, you know, it

1251
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: was you know, it's different. Like, I can't say I

1252
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: would have done it much different. I probably would have

1253
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: done it the exact same way. Maybe I would have

1254
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: been a little less sturen about budgets, but for the

1255
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: most part. I would have probably still been the girl

1256
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: who had to say what she had to say and

1257
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: do what she had to do. I don't think I

1258
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: would have stepped away from that part of me because

1259
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't raised like that. Um. I just wasn't. I

1260
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: didn't come from that place. So how's the relationship now

1261
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: with those who didn't support you fully with your vision

1262
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: when he came to your career? Did you ever talk

1263
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: to them? I talked to Russell all the time. I

1264
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: get Russell Simms on the phone right now. He had

1265
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: Balley somewhere, probably sitting in a figure four or something

1266
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: or figure eight, you know, yogeet out. Um. He actually

1267
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: just did an n f T with me Masterminds of

1268
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: Hip Hop, So we just did that too. We launched

1269
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: n f T back in September, So that's moving right now. Um.

1270
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: Other people that I see in the industry, I really don't.

1271
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 1: The one thing I'll say everyday is I don't have

1272
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: issues with people like I didn't burn any bridges, you know,

1273
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: which is why I can pick up the phone and say, hey,

1274
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: metha man, can you do a song with my soun

1275
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: Like I didn't burn any bridges. These new cats that's

1276
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: a different story. I don't even know how to get

1277
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: to them. Girl trying to get to them, like hold

1278
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: on and me calling my man who knows my man?

1279
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: And then when you get to my man, you gotta

1280
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: talk to my man's man, and then you gotta come

1281
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: over way back to me and hit me off. Anything

1282
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: happened like what? So I don't know how to do that.

1283
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't deal with these people today. That's

1284
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: why I need straight up like executives. I need to

1285
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: talk to people. But I don't burn I haven't burned

1286
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: any bridges, like I don't have any issues with people,

1287
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: you know. Like I was looking up the other day

1288
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: and me and m she went to the Gumbo. I

1289
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: think it's a weed brand or something like that. She

1290
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: was so much spoken there. I had a straight contact,

1291
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: but it was so much like fabulous was there? Takeoff

1292
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: was there? From from me goes um? Jim Jones performed,

1293
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: Davies performed like all these people were there, which was dope.

1294
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: And I look up and the home girl hit me

1295
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: with a picture from getting Getty Images. She was like, oh,

1296
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: look Getty. I was like, I didn't even know I

1297
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: was taking pictures. I didn't take a picture, you know

1298
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, I didn't pose for nothing, but

1299
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm not. And thank God for that. That means that

1300
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: I didn't turn into a crackhead. And you know, start

1301
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: looking crazy now and oh my god, what she did

1302
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: this though? She aging, I'm not better. And the one

1303
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: reason why I'm not better and why I still have

1304
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: this bright face, if you will, is because I rely

1305
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: on happiness. I rely on smiling and laughing. Um, it's

1306
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: a big part of who I am. And if you

1307
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: even see cheats eat a lot of times, he always

1308
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: chees it right. You think this boy don't take nothing serious.

1309
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: You don't, but it's okay. I think that's that's that's okay. Um,

1310
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: the things he needs to take seriously will and when

1311
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: the time comes to well, the same thing I did.

1312
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: But I think a big part of growing gracefully it's

1313
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: growing knowingly right all the things that you up against,

1314
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: but still being able to smile and say, well, it's

1315
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: it's something else I gotta get past instead of saying now,

1316
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: I gotta deal with this. Yeah, it's called life. So

1317
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: looking up and seeing images today and people still recognizing

1318
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: and still seeing pictures being posted It's like, wow, I

1319
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: even know I was taking the picture. So it's you know,

1320
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: it's a good thing that people still recognize you. You know,

1321
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: but if this one from your career, what would you say?

1322
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: It was that the music business has no emotions. So

1323
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: do yourself a favor and take them ships out before

1324
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: you go in. There are no emotions in the music industry,

1325
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: so please for yourself a favor. Don't be like, but

1326
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: we sat down, make hey, Chippage and Kevin you are

1327
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: and the next day it gives me this deal. Yeah,

1328
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: get the deal, because that's the deal. Ain't got nothing

1329
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: to do with the cavvy on the champagne you had

1330
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 1: the night before. Business. Business ain't no emotions in it.

1331
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: Take it out, take it out. Look at Mbride carry

1332
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. She slept with Tommy Mattola,

1333
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: that was her husband. What happened? Divorce, drama, grief, you know,

1334
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: money like the business ain't got no feeling. So make

1335
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: sure you know you check them with before you go

1336
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: in and know what you wanna do. Be focused like

1337
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: they're walking the game, scared walking the game. Being exactly

1338
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: who you believe you are, and be that person that

1339
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: doesn't mean, walking the game and being an asshole, be arrogant,

1340
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: be nasty to people. That's who you want to be

1341
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: that too. But for the most part, I'm gonna tell

1342
01:06:55,960 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: you now, people like to work nice people, not not

1343
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: push overs, not gullible, not naive, fair and nice people.

1344
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: Now the asshole is for the management part. The management. Comeha,

1345
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: you need to have a good guy bad guy. It

1346
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 1: has to happen that way. So you might hear New

1347
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 1: York's fines in the background. Somebody is at work today, obviously,

1348
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 1: Um here the siren because of York. There's somebody with

1349
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: the work today. So okay, um, but you know, be

1350
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: stronger who you are and focus, and there's nothing wrong

1351
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: with constructive criticism. M but don't don't let it change you,

1352
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Just if somebody says, you

1353
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: know what, maybe you should do this kind of thing

1354
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: on the next thing or the next one because it's

1355
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: gonna show growth, then think about it. But if you

1356
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: feel like, no, you want to jump out the window

1357
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,439
Speaker 1: and be that person at that time, then do that.

1358
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: And if the next single or two down aline you

1359
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: realize maybe I should have, then you just open up.

1360
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: You'll think a little bit different. Everybody has grown pains.

1361
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: But just keep in mind the game has no love

1362
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: for you, So don't go in there with your heart

1363
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: on your sleeve, because they should gonna see it. And

1364
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: you show the get you, You're gonna get your feelings hurt. Craig,

1365
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 1: I ain't even gonna lie, Craig. You it is not

1366
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: the last, been, the lasting last look like for you.

1367
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good question. Um, I don't know. I

1368
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 1: hope for what I'm seeing is that it's going to

1369
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: change to a little bit of diversity, because I do

1370
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: see some things happening. Um, I do see some things happening.

1371
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: But the way the future of female looks to me

1372
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: and hip hop, I would hope that a few of

1373
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: these women would put some other women on. I think

1374
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: that's another thing that we on, you know. I think

1375
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: that's another thing we don't do. All women are put

1376
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: on by men. Women are not hey all day long,

1377
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, and women don't put women on. So if

1378
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 1: women would get into that, that would be dope. Start

1379
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: putting other female out there and and it really need

1380
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 1: it and not be let your ego get tapped into it.

1381
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: We can grow that, but put somebody on absolutely, then

1382
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: your check do too. Um be clear, your legacy grows.

1383
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: But um, as far as what I can see, I'm

1384
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: hoping that this is gonna be some diversity, you know,

1385
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: That's what I'm wishing for. Unfortunately, when it comes to

1386
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: this thing, you can't predict the future when it comes

1387
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: to that, because I feel like female rappers has always

1388
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 1: been a male rappers kind of like view of what

1389
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 1: a female rappers should be. So hopefully start to like

1390
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, they will start to put

1391
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,560
Speaker 1: their own vision out there and who they should be

1392
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 1: because a lot of them just you know sometimes listen,

1393
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: ain't not wrong with a bad body if you gotta,

1394
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: but do we have to see it and reread. We're

1395
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 1: not gonna put some clothes on, Megan, because everything is

1396
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: even listen, even a commercial. You couldn't find no other song,

1397
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: Hands on the knees, some some shot, some thought ship,

1398
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: like all the songs you've got, but this is the

1399
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: perpetuation of that energy to our community. This is what

1400
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like you could you got all these songs

1401
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: that you could have put on that commercial, but they

1402
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: used that song and look, they got to bleep it

1403
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: out because it's not even clean, so what's the point?

1404
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: And because we know what it is, we could sing it.

1405
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like, oh, y'all could

1406
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: have used something else. You know, you could even did

1407
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: another you could have even did it a whole another

1408
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: song for the hot source. But you know it's like,

1409
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 1: hopefully we will change, uh pun intended the way people

1410
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: see us. I agree, Well, my I appreciate you, y'all.

1411
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 1: I've been literally stalking this woman when she looked at

1412
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: the deals. I've been her like crazy, no style. I'm like,

1413
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 1: you know what when I see her um engaging as

1414
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 1: a surprise engagement party her daughter in law, and I

1415
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: was like, oh my with me, like why did they

1416
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: get an interview? I love to day, he love today.

1417
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: I love both of you. I like the fact that

1418
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,839
Speaker 1: the one thing I say about you ladies and um,

1419
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: you you guys are pretty intelligent, right, and not saying

1420
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: that there's not other ones out there, but for all

1421
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: the people who think that every woman out there just

1422
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 1: wants to be naked and you know, getting out there

1423
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,879
Speaker 1: trying to catch somebody, these women are now engaged. Um,

1424
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 1: you just had your when did you have the other day? No?

1425
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: Not me, that's uh. But I'm speaking a manifesting because

1426
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: I want a husband because I'm that's right. But these

1427
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: women listen, But y'all click, you know you women are

1428
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: you get women are engaged, you're about to get married.

1429
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: You know, people, even if you're having babies or not

1430
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. But you're with your

1431
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: man and you're intelligent. You're sorry, you're educated, like you

1432
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 1: know what you wanna do. You're putting your best foot

1433
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: out there. So I just love that. And these young

1434
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: women today, like y'all are so much more bossed up

1435
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:22,640
Speaker 1: than then. Um then our generation was back then, Like

1436
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: we were bossed up. But I did I didn't. I

1437
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: did my own thing, no management, nothing, did it all

1438
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: on my own, but really put the work in. I did.

1439
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 1: I ain't even gonna you know what, Yeah, go ahead, people,

1440
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: but I'm just like, hi, everybody can help you with

1441
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 1: your documentary and stuff. I don't mean I know the day,

1442
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: uh we go call on the team, I don't call

1443
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 1: on the team. You ain't saying none but a word. Um,

1444
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 1: But no, I just love that, and I'm saying it's

1445
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: just young women in general life. Man, y'all, y'all are

1446
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: so smart, so educated. Don't ever say yourself short for nothing.

1447
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 1: Whether it be a job or relationship, it does not

1448
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: matter what it is. Just always be the best that

1449
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: you are. Because I just love how these women today

1450
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: are so bossed up. Like I literally get all my

1451
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: information from people like twenty years younger than me, you

1452
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I get my I follow

1453
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: these attorneys that are like twenty five, you know, I

1454
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: follow you know, um bloggers that are like twenty two,

1455
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 1: Like I follow. It's just I get like yourself, Like

1456
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 1: I get information from people all the time, like me

1457
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: and you having a conversation about skincare, Like even me

1458
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: and to day we're talking about you know, businesses and

1459
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: how to build them and blah blah blah. Like I

1460
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: get a lot of information and insight from you guys.

1461
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: And I'm not one of the old school rappers. It's

1462
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 1: like they don't know what they're talking about. She you

1463
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: better talk to one of them, because the game ain't

1464
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 1: the same, you know. I really I forgot that she

1465
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 1: could literally be my mom and we was having every everything.

1466
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: You wait, I'm sitting next so who that's so funny

1467
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: that you were singing a song after I left. I

1468
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: thought that it was like, you know, she wrote there

1469
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wait, who, I said, that's so so

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Speaker 1: I said no, and then I was already going by that.

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Speaker 1: You was already because you was like, no, you should

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Speaker 1: do my podcast, and I was like, okay, just to

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Speaker 1: talk was just like we should just chop it up.

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Speaker 1: It's a whole legend. I'm sitting next to. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you. Everybody to hear it is. If you'll have Thomas,

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Speaker 1: please make sure to email me at hello at the

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Speaker 1: PhD podcast dot com. And until next time, I would

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Speaker 1: definitely keep your posted with this documentary because we don't

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Speaker 1: get this same popping Yes, ma'am, until next time, everyone later,

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Speaker 1: all right, baby girl,