1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: They're not at a point right now where they're waving 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: the white flag. Drew Smiley helps this team, Hector and 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Aris helps his team. That's gonna set some fans. And 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: I just said that. Welcome into Northside Territory, Powell Territory 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm Saade Sharma with Patrick Mooney, where 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: your Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick, we 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: had another weekend of Cubs baseball. This was the start 8 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: of eighteen straight against losing teams in a vacuum. That's 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: perfectly acceptable. Series, winning two three Sunday leaves a bad 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: taste in everyone's mouth. I think one nothing losses are 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: not not gonna work anytime like that. Those are tough 12 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: to swallow. And I think Craig Council kind of summed 13 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: it up best missed opportunity. When you pitch that well, 14 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: you got to come up with a big hit, find 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: a way to scratch some runs across. I know the 16 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: wind was blowing in on Sunday, not perfect, you know, 17 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: offensive environment. The Blue Jays were able to get that 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: one run. The Cubs got nothing, and that's kind of 19 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: been you know, a recurring theme. Uh yeah, fifteen against 20 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: bad teams. You know, we can do the math and 21 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: then say, you know, go eleven and four, twelve and three, 22 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: and we can talk about where they are after that, 23 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: but you know that they have to get hot here 24 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: that there's no excuses to be made. I think they 25 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: know that there's going to need to be a couple 26 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: sweeps in this next two week stretch. Yeah. 27 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: I mean at the Athletic we have this ongoing kind 28 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: of set piece feature that we do across various beats 29 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: and you know. 30 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 3: Called takeaways in mind from Rinley Field was are you ready. 31 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: For some football? 32 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: Because it just felt like once again as a game 33 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: you have to win, you have to bang that one. 34 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: And it's just like, you know, we already went through 35 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: this in June when you very act really laid out 36 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: this is the path. These are the all the bad 37 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: teams they're playing doing air quotes there, like this is. 38 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 3: Where they could really clean up, and they didn't this weekend. 39 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: You know, like it just you see where they are 40 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 2: like two weeks after, you know, really any point in 41 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 2: the calendar, right, it's like, okay, they creep up, you 42 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: know to one game. 43 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: Underneath five hundred, then. 44 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: Get swept in Cleveland then two or three, like the 45 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: math just doesn't really work. I think we are very 46 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: much gonna be open minded here. Well, we'll see what happens. 47 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: We'll cover the games, we'll write about what we find interesting. 48 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: But this idea of winning like ten in a row 49 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: or you know, winning fifteen of eighteen, just do not 50 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 2: see it happening. It has not happened yet, no reason 51 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 2: to think it's going to. Like, you know, enjoy hard Knocks, 52 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: watch Caleb highlights on your phone, read us on the 53 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 2: athletic and listen to us here on the Foul Territory Network. 54 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 3: We'll have you entirely covered. 55 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 2: I think, like sweating the games, it's just not there, 56 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: Like the energy was not there. That's the kind of 57 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 2: the joke that I made of, you know, Robbie Gold's 58 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: was kind of the loudest year I heard or noticed 59 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 2: ye the network, and. 60 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: I thought that actually stood out to me, Like I like, 61 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: I kind of like lifted my head up for my screen. 62 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: I was like, what's going on? 63 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, why okay, here we go and nothing. 64 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: It's him, the true Chicago guy, you know, high school 65 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: football coach in the area. Now, it's just like it's 66 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: how quietly they went down, and then even you know, 67 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: walking you felt it walking into that clubhouse like in 68 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: in nineteen when they collapsed, or you could even though 69 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: you didn't have clubhouse access during twenty one. I mean, 70 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: I mean, Wilson Cantrier's basically broke through that zoom screen 71 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: to you know, make you feel how awkward and distracted. 72 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 3: This is more just you know, there's this team that 73 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 3: was going. 74 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: To be around five hundred and if they got a 75 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 2: couple of breaks, maybe they'd sneak in, and they didn't, 76 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: maybe a little below like I don't know, not a 77 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: whole lot of uh, I don't know, not urgency, but 78 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 2: just like desperation. 79 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 3: You just don't feel that around this team or in 80 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: the stadium. 81 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, I'm not getting what's interesting is is, Yeah, 82 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: I think that this team is what they kind of expected, 83 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: maybe not the way it's played out exactly, but I 84 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: mean what external projections had this team around eighty two 85 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: ish wins that's where they're going to end up. I 86 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: don't think the internal projections were that different either, which 87 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: tells me a lot. You know that they're not they're 88 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: not going all in, that they haven't really pushed to 89 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: a level where you want to get to a point 90 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: where and I think I've said this, I can't remember 91 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: if I said it when when you were gone, Patrick, 92 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: but what you want to get to is a level 93 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: of like your projections, say, like eighty nine ninety ninety 94 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: one wins. It's hard to get even more than that. 95 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: It just is as far as projections go, Like projections 96 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: would have to be really aggressive to be above that. 97 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: But you want to be in the eighty eight to 98 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: ninety two range. If you're in the if you're at 99 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: ninety two, those are really good projections. I'm saying, like 100 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: eighty eight. The way teams look at it, it's like 101 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: your plus or minus fourish right by like just randomness 102 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: of baseball and stuff like that, injuries and things like that. 103 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: You're if you go further in any direction, then things 104 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: either went really against you really for you, right, Like 105 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: the Giant season from twenty whatever two or twenty one, 106 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: that that's right, yeah, yeah, yeah, the one where they 107 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: want like one hundred and seven, Yeah that was twenty one. Yeah, 108 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: So like that, that's like a ninety ninth percentile thing 109 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: where everything goes right and everything clicks right. You don't 110 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: project that so so weird things happen plus or minus. 111 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: I think this in the end, We've been saying it 112 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: for weeks, but I expect them to be around eighty 113 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: two eighty three wins. They're right there. They got this 114 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: easy stretch. They'll probably end up like at five hundred, 115 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: a little above, a little below. Like they are what 116 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: they are, And what's frustrating I think for fans is 117 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: is like, well, why aren't you building a team that 118 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: projects for eighty eight to ninety wins? Like And I 119 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: think fans just want that that fans just expect that. 120 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: Perhaps that's what this offseason will be. I don't think 121 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: they're going to have the spending spree that fans want, 122 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,559 Speaker 1: but they need to build a team that fans feel 123 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: better about, and they need to get a little bit 124 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: closer to having a team that you project to be 125 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: where it needs to be. 126 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: I think when you get into that, I mean you 127 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: have that people running on the Athletic Tuesday morning. It 128 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: addresses comments that team president Jed Hoyer and general manager 129 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: Carter Hawkins made on six seventy, the team's flagship radio station, 130 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 2: of how the team's expected to be over this year's 131 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: Luxury tax threshold, which we had a sense it was 132 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: kind of trending in that direction. It's an ongoing calculation, 133 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: but like, what did you find out in your latest round. 134 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 3: Of reporting, and like what is the rationale behind that? 135 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean what I found out isn't too crazy, 136 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: uh as far as what we've all already known. And 137 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: like I went back to like I was surprised at 138 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: how the reaction was to them saying that, right, like 139 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: it like what this is? Like people were shocked by this? 140 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: And I went back to piece you and I wrote 141 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: back in February, like three graphs down, we say, with 142 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: the addition of Bellinger, the Cubs are not pushing up 143 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: against the luxury tax. In fact, when you factor in 144 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: all the roster turn that happens over the course of 145 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: the season, there is an understanding that they're essentially over it. 146 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: Like that's like that that was written on February I believe, 147 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: twenty sixth, right, Like we yes, yes, we wrote this 148 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: before the season started, right after Bellinger was signed. And 149 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: that's kind of what Carter and Jed were both saying 150 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: on the radio. Once they signed Ballinger, they knew they 151 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: were essentially over And that's like I think what's really 152 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: hard to understand and like I think people just think 153 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: this is the number, this is what the salaries are, 154 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: this is the CBT number. It just doesn't work that way. 155 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: It's more complex than even like the best like the 156 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: best reporters or like even front office people really full 157 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: like they have like when Carter said, like they have 158 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: people on this, and I think people like made fun 159 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: of it, like oh what kind of like who do 160 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: you need on that? Like it's complicated because so when 161 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: someone goes on the sixty day iluh, they that counts 162 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: against it, right, like that's someone and then you have 163 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: to add someone to the forty man and then you 164 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: call them up and then that like that's all projected. 165 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: They expect that it's called like they look back at 166 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: injury trends and say like, well, how much churn should 167 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: we expect? How much should we like go through? But 168 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: then there's also things that you don't even like I 169 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: didn't really fully understand that. I kind of like I 170 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: remember seeing the CBT once and like what is that? 171 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: And it's like player benefits are part of this, and 172 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: like I was like enough to yeah, well there's there's that. 173 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: There's like say like someone needs like there's some some 174 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: reason why they need like a private jet, and they 175 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: give them private jet hours. That's a player benefit. Say 176 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: someone has a suite because their families coming into town. 177 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: That's that's a benefit for them. Things like that, Like 178 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: that goes towards the CBT. So it's all like all 179 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: these things add up over the course of the year. 180 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: They knew they were going over the I think the 181 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: bottom line is what I what I found out is like, 182 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: this is their budget. They got a budget. It was 183 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: over the first threshold, and it was just like, so, 184 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: we're going to spend at that level. So it wasn't 185 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: like this came as a shock. It wasn't like Tom 186 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: Rickets is like, hey, what are you doing? You know, 187 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: like everyone knew that this is the budget. It was 188 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: over that two hundred and thirty seven million dollar threshold, 189 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 1: and that's where they are. Like it's I think the difference. 190 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: This was interesting to me last year as like their 191 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: budget was essentially like right at that threshold, which I 192 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: think was last year two thirty three to thirty four something. 193 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: It was different. Yeah, yeah, so it was that there. 194 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: It was a concern to them, not because it's like, oh, 195 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: we can't go over. It was like, why go over 196 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: because we're we're essentially like a couple hundred thousand or 197 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: whatever like. So they made that. Remember the Adrian Samson move, 198 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: that was a move to get under right because it 199 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: was not something thing that was going to impact the team, 200 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: and it was like, Okay, we can do this. We 201 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: can get under by doing these things. So they thought 202 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: about it this deadline. According to what I was told, 203 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: it was not a consideration. It wasn't a topic of 204 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: conversation as they were making moves. 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In Pittsburgh, and you know, 236 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 2: the Braves kind of keep kind of run away with things. 237 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: Would you expect them to do some sort of Angels 238 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: style waiver dump? 239 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? So, I mean, I think we did talk about 240 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: this last week, right and and and I don't like 241 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: the idea of that. I don't think that's a good 242 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: way to run run things in baseball. It's a fine 243 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: way to run a business, I guess, but I don't 244 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: like to look at these things as a business. That 245 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: besides the point, my opinion doesn't matter from what I've 246 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: gathered that that's not something If they make moves at 247 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: this moment right now, the way they're looking at things, 248 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: if they make moves that look like salary dumps, it's 249 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: it's to get players that they want to get at 250 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: playing time, that they want to get burn up and 251 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: make sure there's a runway for them. So it would 252 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: be get like it would be removing players. So maybe 253 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,599 Speaker 1: you'd be getting rid of salary, but it would be 254 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: removing players to get playing time for younger players. They're 255 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: not at a point right now where they're waving the 256 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: white flag. They Drew Smiley helps this team, Hector and 257 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: Aris helps this team. That's gonna upset some fans. And 258 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: I just said that, but I'm just saying he does. 259 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: And they want to make sure that they're not giving 260 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: up on the season because they don't think that that 261 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: makes sense yet. Now, like that's counter to kind of 262 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: what we heard at the deadline, right, But I don't 263 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: think fully it's it's counter to what we heard. The 264 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: whole point that Jed was trying to make is I'm 265 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: not he wasn't spending aggressively to help just the twenty 266 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: twenty four team, right that what that's what his point, 267 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: ye was we weren't the right. So that doesn't mean 268 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: like there's a difference between spending a great to help 269 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: and then waving the white flag and saying we're done. Right, 270 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: And they took like this middle path where it's like, 271 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: let's try and help for twenty twenty five. See where 272 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: the odds go. Now, if Tom Ray gets if ownership 273 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: comes to them and say I want to get underneath 274 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: the luxury tax this year, I think it makes sense 275 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: for us to do that. Let's reset this it's not 276 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: a reset, it's just staying under to make sure. Then 277 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: then that changes things. Right, But right now they have 278 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: not That is not what they're working under. That is 279 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: not something that they've considered. It's not something they consider 280 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: it the deadline, and it's not in their thought process 281 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: right now. I have to keep saying right now because 282 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: the way these are also yeah, yeah, yeah, and you 283 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: never know what what if if a ten game losing 284 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: streak happens instead of a ten game winning streak. I 285 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: you know, I can't rule it out just because who 286 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: knows what Tom Rikiss decides. Who knows if they suddenly 287 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: decide like, hey, let's let's try and figure this out 288 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: to if they hear like, hey maybe this will up 289 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: the budget for next year if we stay under this year. 290 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: Whatever it is, however that but it has been that 291 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: it has not been part of the calculus up to 292 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: this point. 293 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: There's always those Devil's advocate type arguments within any front office, 294 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: and they're always soliciting opinions and trying to form a consensus. 295 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 2: And as they're trying to keep their options open, what 296 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: is your understanding of Okay, Hector NRIs and Cody Bellinger 297 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: both come back next year, or Cody Bellinger and Hector 298 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: Naris both depart as free agents after this season. 299 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: What could the. 300 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: Landscape look like if we're talking here about Naris's player 301 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: option vesting or sorry, his option vesting or Cody Bellinger's 302 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 2: opt in opt out decision, which I think I would 303 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: probably assume he will opt out if things continue at 304 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: this pace, but there is still a lot of time 305 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 2: for something that happened to where maybe he does kind 306 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 2: of take the safety and comfort of another platform here regally. 307 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, last time I wrote about this, you know, that's 308 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: when you were on vacation, and my feeling was like, 309 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: we're right on the fence right now, and he's had 310 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: a good week. He's had a good week, and like 311 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: he looks better than he did pre into good player. Yeah, 312 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I think right now, if I had to 313 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: make a guess, he's opting out. But that's neither here 314 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: nor there. That if if he opts in and Hector 315 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: Naris that converts into player option, and he likely opts 316 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: in right that that would be I think he needs 317 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: fourteen more appearances whatever I could be wrong, maybe thirteen 318 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: that that shifts it to like that they'll have like 319 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: fifty million to spend. I shouldn't say fifty million to spend. 320 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: There'll be fifty million coming off the books instead of. 321 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: A larger exodus of contracts that will be falling off 322 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: the book. 323 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: Tucker Barnheart, Trey Mancini, Drew Kyle Hendrix. It would be 324 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: about fifty This is all you know, guestimation roughly and 325 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: then and it'd be around ninety million if both of 326 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: them are gone, if both of them are free agents. 327 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 2: Uh sodding, roughly ninety million dollars of salary if Ners 328 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: and Bellager leave. 329 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: Yes, that's that's I believe a larger group. Yes, yeah, 330 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: that's that's kind of what the public numbers say. And 331 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: that's kind of the Those were the guestimations that I've 332 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: gathered conversations. So I guess so they're pretty big swing. Yeah, yeah, 333 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: But I mean I think we like we will talk 334 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: about this more in the off season, right Patrick, like 335 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: what they need to do, what the plan is. We 336 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: talked about Catcher, right, But that's just like fifty million 337 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: maybe enough for them to do what they want to do. 338 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: There's going to be trades. We've talked about that a 339 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: ton they're going to make trades. I'm almost certain unless 340 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: they cannot find trade partners, a big trade is going 341 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: to be swung this winter. I think what fans want 342 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: to hear me say right now is they're gonna be 343 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: big players for Juan Soto. I think both of us 344 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: have done enough, you know, digging in, whether it's talking 345 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: to people around the league, talking to people within the organization. 346 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: I just don't see it happening. It'd be a departure 347 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: of what they've done over the year. Yeah, I mean yeah, 348 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: Like it just doesn't seem like that's their mo and 349 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 1: I don't think there is it is it? Does it 350 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: make sense? I think it makes sense to go after 351 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: want so I would I would say, go after Wan Soda. Yes, 352 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: left the slugger that you can just figure out, figure 353 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: out where to play him, d HM if you want to, 354 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, make a weird moves and try and trade 355 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: someone whatever. Figure it out. He's won Soto and he's 356 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: twenty five or twenty six, you know, I think it 357 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: makes sense. It's just not the route they got. The 358 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: next guy that I keep hearing about fans wise is 359 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: Corbyn Burns, Like again, like, what what are we talking 360 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: about here, this is the way this front office is operated. 361 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: Has it ever made sense that they're going to go 362 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: after a guy he's he's thirty, he's thirty years old, 363 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: he's going to command one of the biggest free agent 364 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: pitching contracts ever. He'll he'll be thirty in October. Okay, So, like, 365 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: does that make sense to you? Like how Jed Hoyer 366 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: runs things? Does that make sense? How you like when 367 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: you when we talk to Carter Hawkins and the way 368 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: he talks to reporters and the things he says, is 369 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: that the way they want to run things, Like, I just. 370 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: This is the our reporting and our institutional knowledge and 371 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: not our opinion. It's totally valid to be like they 372 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 2: should go sign Sodo, go sign Burns. These are too 373 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 2: obvious needs. These are two stars. You have a relationship 374 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 2: with the manager and the star pitcher and the slugger 375 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 2: has that perfect like age window star attraction. So I 376 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 2: think we're on the same page with that. It's just 377 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 2: that I just don't wanted to get misinterpreted. We're like 378 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 2: trying to like tiss people for oh they go, just 379 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 2: that we can't get your hopes up. Fans of being like, oh, hey, 380 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 2: Wan Sodo wink wink, Like there is really no historical 381 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: evidence or like hard reporting that suggests this is going 382 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 2: to be like them rolling up their sleeves on October first, 383 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: being like, we're gonna spend every waking hour in this 384 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 2: office trying to figure out how to sign this guy. 385 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: Like they're trying. 386 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 2: Come up with as many possible contingency plans and kind of, 387 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 2: you know, run through all their projection systems to avoid 388 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 2: doing that, because that's just not how they roll, and 389 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 2: that starts at the top with ownership as well. 390 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: I would add, Yeah, and you know, I don't want to, 391 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: like I feel less desire to rule out Corbon Burns 392 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: than Juan Soto. But that's only because I don't see 393 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: Juan Soto's market just like not being insane to the 394 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: point where they're like, yeah, we're not doing that, right, 395 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: That's just not how we do things. We're not going 396 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: to do that. Corbyn Burns picture markets are just weird sometimes, 397 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: but he's at the top of it. I just don't 398 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: I don't see it happening. But I could be wrong. 399 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: I could maybe they shift gears, maybe they maybe they 400 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: do have their site set on him. But I think 401 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: the way this front office works, I just feel like 402 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: that that have to see it as like this is value. 403 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: This is oh he's he's not signing an eight year deal. 404 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: He's not signing a seven year deal. Like what are 405 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: the best pictures usually signed? It's like a seven year deal? 406 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: What was Garrett Cole's Like yamamotos was eight, right, Yamamoto 407 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: was eight and then and then Garrett Cole was eight 408 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: as well, if I'm remembering correctly, those are the types 409 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: of deals that nine years, three hundred and twenty four. 410 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: That's that is Garrett Cole. So I was wrong. 411 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 2: It's like this is I mean, I mean represents both 412 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: those guys in Scott. 413 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, Cody Bellinger is a Boris guy, but like Geez, 414 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: that was wrong till February. Yamamoto is a twelve year deal. 415 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: Holy crap. So like these so I'm talking nine and 416 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: twelve years, right, I think I think Cole was a 417 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: higher av but you're talking in the thirty million range. 418 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: Eight let's say minimum, it's going to be eight years. 419 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: And did you just say this? But it's Boris right? 420 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: Is Boris Burns? Yes? He switched. 421 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say recently but like towards the later stages 422 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 2: of his argued knowing. 423 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: Roll. 424 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 2: So, I mean, look like Blake Snell's deal was not 425 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 2: what people expected. 426 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: Like things, Yeah, things happened. 427 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 2: I'm not predicting that for Corbyn Burns, but like and 428 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 2: Bellinger did come back when we thought it would, only 429 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 2: in one certain circumstance. And I will give Jen Carter 430 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 2: credit for this that they're pretty good at and they 431 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: built the organization to a point where they can pivot. And 432 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 2: that goes back to Showda in Managa. I mean, that 433 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 2: was something that you know, they were on him. They 434 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: had you know, the scouting reports, they had the kind 435 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: of uh plan they wanted to implement if they signed him, 436 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 2: and you know they did not go all out on him, 437 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 2: but they kind of just wanted to monitor and if 438 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 2: it had gone to a certain place, you know, there 439 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: were rumors that were disputed, but that there were rumors 440 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 2: of like one hundred million of mon deal in the cubs. 441 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 3: We're not going to go there. 442 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 2: But when it came back towards where they wanted, they 443 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 2: pounced and so that you know it can still work. 444 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 2: You know, they they signed you know, an excellent picture. 445 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 2: They traded for a very good now rookie first baseman, 446 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 2: Like it can work. 447 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: It just has to work right, right right, I mean yeah, 448 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: i'd be I'm more confident ruling out Wan Soto than 449 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: i am Corbyn Burns. I just don't like it has 450 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,959 Speaker 1: to be It's something weird has to happen there, like 451 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: right now, when I look at those numbers of the 452 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: two guys I mentioned, and then think about what Boris 453 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: is going to try to do, and then you look 454 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: at the trends with Burns, which Scott Boris is gonna 455 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: sell someone on them being irrelevant. But his strikeout rate 456 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one was like thirty six percent and 457 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,719 Speaker 1: it's like twenty three ish percent this year, so like 458 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: it's it's gone down. It's thirty five point six percent 459 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: and twenty twenty one twenty three point one percent this year. 460 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: Those are the types of things that a front office 461 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: like the Cubs is gonna look at and be like, 462 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: we're not giving a nine year deal to this thirty 463 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: year old pitcher or whatever it is, right, So it 464 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: would have to be, uh something where they're not finding 465 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: the market that they want. And Corn Burns is like, yeah, 466 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna take one of those incentive 467 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: laiden opt out deals to go be with the manager 468 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: that I trust will use me properly and I'll have 469 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: a monster season. And but that's not I mean, it's 470 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: not like he's not coming off a bit. It is 471 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: just not like, but but here's what he wins. 472 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if he's gonna win the 473 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: side say he wins like Game seven of the World series, Like, 474 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 2: do you think he's thinking, oh, guy, it'll you know, like. 475 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, council like won't be uh, you know. 476 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 2: He does not strike me as someone who's going to 477 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 2: be overly sentimental or like I think he's you know, 478 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 2: solving for wins out there in the right they be 479 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 2: found on the table. 480 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 3: For not saying you won't say we need X, Y 481 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 3: and Z. 482 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: It just thinks that he's he's very very rational about 483 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 2: this process as well. 484 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: I ultimately, and I said this last episode or whatever 485 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,719 Speaker 1: episode it was, I've said it before, I think they 486 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: should go get a picture right. And I'm looking at 487 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: this time, I'm looking at the list. There are names. 488 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: There are so many names you can say, like, I mean, 489 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: I just like whether it's guys coming off down years, 490 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: whether it's guys coming off, Like there's gonna be a 491 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: lot of one, two, three year deals given out, maybe 492 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: even four year deals. I don't know if they'll go 493 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: like if I'm not sure if there it's not like 494 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: the priority it was when they signed Jameson Tayo, Right, 495 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: it just isn't that. That's not the way they're looking 496 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: at it. But there's going to be a value deal 497 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: with all these names. I mean, whether it's Luis Severino, 498 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: someone who's having a bounce back season, is that Alex Cobb? 499 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: Is it Nathan Ivaldi? I mean, there's so many different names. 500 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: They're they're good names here. I mean Robbie Ray has 501 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: an opt out, Like does he have a hot stretch 502 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: for San Francisco and and they and they decide to 503 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: and he decides to opt out and and and try 504 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,479 Speaker 1: and make some money. There's there's random names here that 505 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: could fill that. Essentially, you want to find someone that 506 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: you're like, this guy's going to eat one hundred and 507 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: sixty innings minimum next year, right, Like that's what you 508 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: want to find or or hope like, hey, h Walker 509 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: Bueller is going to bounce back. We like that, and 510 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: he's willing to take this deal, you know something like that. Whatever. 511 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: I'm just I don't have we don't have names yet 512 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,479 Speaker 1: because it's August whatever it is. 513 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 3: And well, there are so many of them that they 514 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 3: have to be. 515 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 2: Like actively and exploring that because it's going to be 516 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 2: in a place to sign. 517 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know how they are, They're they're looking 518 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: for value all always looking for value. Showed him Monaga 519 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: was value for the can they find value in a picture? 520 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: Was was starting pitcher their number one priority last offseason? No, 521 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: but they saw value and Showedoimnaga, there will be someone 522 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: that they find value in and they're smart enough to 523 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, they kind of do. They absolutely have 524 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: to go in the next season with with a starting pitcher. 525 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: They probably don't feel that way. I I kind of do, 526 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: and I think you're I think you and I kind 527 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: of feel that, like they really need to sign a 528 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: no doubt starter. 529 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, that would be like not even a discussion. 530 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 3: But yeah, maybe I'm a little more. 531 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: Jaded. 532 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 2: I would think the security and the certainty or relative 533 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 2: certainty would be very valuable. Because again we saw Jordan 534 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 2: Wicks at Wrigley Field this weekend. Obviously, a talented guy 535 00:29:53,960 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 2: and intelligent guy. Hayden was an esky. Love his stuff, 536 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 2: I love his attitude, his kind of energy on the mound. 537 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 2: I think he's super interesting. And both those guys have 538 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: shown a lot of flashes. I mean Ben Brown as well, 539 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 2: someone who really is interested in the craft of pitching 540 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 2: and you know, made himself from I mean, I think 541 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 2: he was drafted in a round that doesn't exist anymore, 542 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 2: like whatever, like thirty seventh round something like that. 543 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 3: To to get to this point, you know, it takes 544 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 3: a lot. 545 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 2: I mean, Kate Horton, if he like goes on a run, 546 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 2: whenever that happens, like it'll probably be pretty awesome, you know, 547 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 2: like not, but just when all those guys are hurt, 548 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: it's really hard to like, if I think, if you're 549 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: the Cubs to walk into like an off season planning 550 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 2: meeting like, oh, we got these guys, so let's ignore 551 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 2: these like twenty established starting pitchers who are not gonna 552 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 2: all find the deals. 553 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 3: That they want. 554 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 2: They're not gonna be a place is They're not all 555 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 2: gonna be at places or cities that they want to 556 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: go to. They're gonna make their family he's happy or whatever, 557 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 2: or teams that aren't in a winning situation and like, 558 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 2: you know, the Cubs finishing strong with a manager we're 559 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 2: assuming I don't know, assuming the pitching coaches back, like 560 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 2: an infrastructure that is appealing. You have guys like tie 561 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 2: On who love to talk and really are very thoughtful 562 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: and understand the marketplace and can sell the Cubs like 563 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 2: can have good defense behind you. Like to me, if 564 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 2: you're gonna like run the kids out next year and 565 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 2: say like and cross your fingers, that showed us steal 566 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 2: and tie On all do the same thing next year, 567 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 2: Like that would. 568 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:42,239 Speaker 4: Be that would be foolish, right as the might say yeah, yeah, no, 569 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 4: and like it would be the reverse of this year, 570 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 4: right like thing and then and say like. 571 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, look at how good our starting pitching was 572 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: last year. And then it doesn't repeat and we're and 573 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about the opposite issues next next year because. 574 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 2: They didn't in the majors slash. Yeah, we can't understand why, 575 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 2: you know. On our thirteenth depth starter from from des Moines. 576 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, then I think we're gonna have to write a 577 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: fix your Projection Systems Cubs column if that happens in July. Yeah, 578 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: ultimately I'm trying to think what else fans were freaking 579 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: out about with the CBT and and when I say 580 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: that that's not like a task task again, I'm just 581 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: you know, you guys have questions, and I understand them, 582 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: but you know, is this going to impact spending going forward? Right? 583 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: Because if you go over it once, then you know, 584 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: the more you go over it, the more it impacts 585 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: the team. So my understanding and that, and like it's 586 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: a little frustrating to try and find these exact rules online, 587 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: but if you go over once, what it impacts most 588 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: of all is qualifying offer stuff. So if they give 589 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: someone a qualifying offer, the draft pick you get back 590 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: is lesser. There's no one that they can give a 591 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: qualifying offer too. That makes sense unless I'm missing someone, right, 592 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: And then it would impact qualifying offers, like the guys 593 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: that you sign that are given qualifying offers, you'd lose, 594 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: you'd lose a draft pick, and you'd lose international money. 595 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: From my understanding, again, like this isn't impacting their decision making, 596 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: that won't hold them back from doing things. But I 597 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: also have not gotten the impression that like, oh yeah, 598 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: no doubt, are we going over the the luxury at tax. 599 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: Next year it goes over, it goes up by four million. Obviously, 600 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: they have a lot of money coming off the books, 601 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: like we described, so maybe that doesn't impact how they 602 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: behave in the off season. But I just think it's 603 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: again like they are given a budget and here's what 604 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: it is. As far as how Jed and Carter act. 605 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: That isn't regarding the threshold. It is what their budget is. 606 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: You know. Uh, if they're close like they did last 607 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: year and there's reason too, then they can maneuver around it. 608 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: But this year they didn't see the need. Next year, 609 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 1: we'll see how it is. I I'm curious. I'm really 610 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: curious to see how they what these budgets are, how 611 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 1: close they end up next to it next year. Uh. 612 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: It's it's fascinating to me. But this doesn't seem like 613 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: some sort of thing where they're handcuffed or they made 614 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: or they were unaware of this, or they or they 615 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: were you know, given instructions to do one thing and 616 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: they couldn't. They couldn't pull it off, so now they're 617 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: they're in a bind. None of that seems to be 618 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: the case. So if you're frustrated by it, I completely 619 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: get it to one sense. In one sense because it's 620 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: like they gotta go over next year because they're gonna 621 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: they need to win and the and the way you 622 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: win is by spending aggressively. I just think they have 623 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: a different philosophy than that. And I just think they're 624 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: they're doing things in a way that are going to 625 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: frustrate fans. I will say this, and I know you've 626 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: heard it. They're well aware next year they need to win. 627 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: There's no like, there's no like, Okay, we're building to 628 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: where it's something the kids are coming like this, that 629 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: and the other. They need to win. And they know 630 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: that this isn't something they're blind to. Now, do they 631 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: behave in the manner that fans want them to with 632 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 1: that edict of you need to win? 633 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 3: That? 634 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: I cannot. I cannot full I can't say full throated yes, 635 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: they because the way fans want them to behave isn't 636 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: always the way that they think is the best way 637 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: to lead to wins. That's just the way it is. 638 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: And I you know, sometimes that's a good thing. Other 639 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: times it leads to a lot of frustration and seasons 640 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: like this, Yeah. 641 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 3: They just they just have to be right. 642 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I think the takeaways for me are there 643 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 2: are real baseball related penalties to some of the CBT stuff, 644 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 2: but a lot of it is just lip service or 645 00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 2: cosmetic or distractive things. Just basically that's, you know, a 646 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 2: soft salary cap. That's kind of just where they want 647 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 2: to have their baseball operations spend land every year, and 648 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 2: next year it's probably gonna be around that. 649 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 3: And when it takes. 650 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 2: That huge unexpected jump, like it's used it because the 651 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 2: team does that. That was after the twenty fifteen and 652 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 2: I'll seees and you had someone like THEO kind of 653 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 2: like making things happen behind the scenes. A lot of 654 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 2: people were involved in that as well, but like it 655 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,399 Speaker 2: kind of took Theo'd be like, let's do two off 656 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 2: seasons and one and like let's kind of accelerate this 657 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 2: and those things can happen. I think when I'm hearing 658 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 2: from you is that they view this as much longer 659 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 2: continuum than any one season, but that there's kind of 660 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 2: nowhere to hide after this season, and I think that'll 661 00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 2: you know, playoffs or busts will be a legitimate theme 662 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 2: that will just be hammering all off season. 663 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and we can talk about projections. We can 664 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 1: talk about all those things. Listen. I get that they're 665 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: they're valuable to these front offices. But just comes back 666 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: to what Patrick and I have been saying for years, 667 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: and THEO and Jed have hammered when when we when 668 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: we talk to them about these things, I say THEO 669 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: because he used to say this a lot. But you 670 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: just have to be right and you just got to win. 671 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,399 Speaker 1: Like like you can say whatever you want about what 672 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: went right what didn't go right this season, right, Like 673 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: the win losses are the bottom line. Craig Council understands that, right, 674 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: Like if Jed Hoyer understands that they may see things 675 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: in a different way that that frustrate people, right and 676 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 1: say like, well, you know, some of this is randomness, 677 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: some of this goes this way. If this thing goes 678 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: this way, this is how we actually see the team. 679 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: I think the underlying numbers this year, say this is 680 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: what they are maybe a little bit better. Right if 681 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: they're five hundred team this year, whatever, that's that's not 682 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: good enough and they know that and and you know 683 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: whatever else, whatever, you know, whatever numbers you want to 684 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: look at, they don't matter outside of wins. And losses 685 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: and that they understand that. So I guess it's time 686 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: to kind of get going in that front. Patrick, I'll 687 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: wrap it up here. This is north Side Territory. Thanks 688 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: for all the listeners. Thanks for everyone that does all 689 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: the work in the background. We appreciate you. Make sure 690 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: to subscribe, rate and review, subscribe to the YouTube page. 691 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: We'd appreciate that. Make sure to subscribe to The Athletic 692 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: will be on top of all of this and everything 693 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: else that happens over the next five weeks and change 694 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: and see where this team goes, if anywhere, and then 695 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: into the off season. Thanks everyone for listening. Take care,