1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: and speaker. 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 3: And I'm Sarah Hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 3: and course creator. We are two working parents who love 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 3: our careers and our families. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: how real. 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: Women manage work, family, and time for fun, from figuring 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: out childcare to mapping out long. 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: Term career goals. 12 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: We want you to get the most out of life. 13 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. 14 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: This episode is airing in mid March of twenty twenty six. 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 2: If things sound a little different, if there is perhaps 16 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: some background noise, like I heard the fan just came 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: on in my hotel room, I'll go turn that off 18 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: in a sec. It's because Sarah and I are here 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: to gather in Vero Beach, Florida, as we often are 20 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 2: at this time of year. We're recording several episodes, plus 21 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: some intro and questions for other guest episodes, and enjoying 22 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: spending some time together thinking about the podcast for the 23 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: next year. 24 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: So Hi, Sarah. 25 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 3: Hello, So excited, and we will get to this retreat 26 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: a little bit more maybe in one of the elements 27 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 3: of this episode itself. 28 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this episode is first airing on Saint Patrick's Day, 29 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: March seventeenth. If I've got that correct, You guys don't 30 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: do a whole lot to celebrate Saint Patrick's Day, and 31 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 2: you're it's not as much a Florida thing if you 32 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 2: are Irish people. 33 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: No, yeah, And I really didn't think about that until 34 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 3: you asked me the question, and it really made me 35 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 3: recognize that when where I grew up, we did have 36 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 3: a lot of Irish people, and like everyone were green, 37 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: and we ate these things called Irish potatoes, which were these. 38 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: Weird, almost coconut tasty. I think they had cinnamon on them. 39 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: They were kind of good. Actually, yeah, yeah, well this 40 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: sounds good. I mean, I think the whole Irish nation 41 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: subsisted on potatoes for a while. 42 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: So I guess it's a familiar food. I like the 43 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: soda bread. I like the soda bread up right. 44 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: I think my mom would often make like corn beef 45 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: to corn beef. Yeah, No, I'm not into that. 46 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: But Island's an awesome place to visit if anyone's looking 47 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: for a trip destination. It's about as easy to get 48 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: through too from the East coast, as like London, there's 49 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: a couple of flights from the New York area to Dublin. 50 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: And even to Shannon. 51 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: I believe a couple places in beautiful country to visit, 52 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 2: so throw. 53 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: That out there. 54 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 2: We celebrate Saint Patrick's Day a little bit in sort 55 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: of a whimsical way with the leprechaun. And I did 56 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: not know that leprecuns are another sort of magical creature 57 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: that visits the house. Obviously, Santa Claus might come in 58 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: your house, or the Easter Bunny or the tooth fairy. 59 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: But it turns out many years ago one of our 60 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: nannies introduced our children to the idea of the leprechaun, 61 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: which is that you build a leprechaun trap, and you know, 62 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: hopefully you catch the leprechaun. But if the leprechaun escapes 63 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: from your trap, he will leave you candy. I guess, 64 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: as I don't know that his payment to consolation or 65 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: got away and is bribing his way out of it 66 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: or something. 67 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: I don't know what happens. 68 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 2: If we actually catch a leprechaun, I guess then we 69 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: have another pet in the house. I'm not sure how 70 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: Max the dog would deal with the little Leprechaun. But 71 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 2: we've been constructing the trap. Henry has been putting an 72 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: elaborate one together in the pantry. So I presume no 73 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: leprechaun was caught last night and candy has been had. 74 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: But stay tuned. Maybe in a future episode, I'll tell 75 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: you about my new pet. 76 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 3: That's awesome and it's definitely a whimsical little tradition in 77 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 3: your household. 78 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's lots of different ways you can have 79 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: whimsy in your life. I know this is a topic 80 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: that's been batted around on social media lately. It's kind 81 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: of just this idea of playful, fanciful stuff in your life. 82 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: There's no real larger purpose to it, but it is 83 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: done just for fun. 84 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: And I know you have some things like that in 85 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: your life. 86 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I kind of like it when the whimsical 87 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 3: and the practical like merge a little bit. So I 88 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: have to say that the planners I use have a 89 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: very whimsical element, which is that Hobininji, the company that 90 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: makes them, comes out with limited edition covers every single year, 91 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: and that covers them like that's a whimsical concept, first 92 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 3: of all, because like you don't need a new cover 93 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 3: every year. But the designs themselves are also very whimsical, 94 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 3: almost too much for some people, but I often love it. 95 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: You know, there's different like animated things, or there'll be 96 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: things from your childhood, like they had a little House 97 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 3: on the Prairie cover last year that was super popular. 98 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 3: And yeah, even though if I don't choose one that's 99 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 3: super whimsical, I just love the tradition of seeing them 100 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: all and thinking about which one I want to get, 101 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 3: and then maybe looking at something a little bit quirky 102 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 3: on something I use every single day makes me very happy. 103 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 104 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 2: Well, in that category of practical, I bought this container 105 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: of mushroom pencils when we went to Department of Note 106 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 2: a few weeks ago up in my neck of the woods, 107 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: and I mean, they're just fun to use. A pencil 108 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: is a pencil, but these have all these sort of 109 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: woodland flora on them, and that's not a thing you're 110 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: normally looking at. So I'm now have the whimsy of 111 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: woodland flora on my pencils. 112 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: I love it, and it's just, yeah, there's no real 113 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 3: point except it makes you happy. 114 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: So what are some other whimsical things you've been up 115 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 1: too lately. 116 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think if you are going to an 117 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 3: event that might be construed as cheesy, if you instead 118 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 3: just choose to fully embrace it and lean into it 119 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 3: and not be cool, that you might have more fun. 120 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 3: And there's a whimsical element to that. So my example 121 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 3: is that this week, and this is a few weeks 122 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 3: before this episode airs, but fairly recently ssairs, I'm going 123 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 3: to a Tiffany concert and Vanilla Ice is going to 124 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 3: be there too, so it's going to be a rock 125 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 3: and party. And I bought a Tiffany T shirt that 126 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: had like the cover of the album that I listened 127 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 3: to nine thousand times growing up, and then decided I 128 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 3: needed to accessorize with an armful of Neon Glow in 129 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: the Dark jelly bracelets. Completely unnecessary, but I feel like 130 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 3: will greatly enhance the experience, and certainly in a whimsical 131 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 3: type of way. 132 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. Yeah. 133 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: No, if you're making the point of going to something 134 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 2: like that, you're not cool anyway. You may as well 135 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: just embrace it fully. There's no detachment whatsoever. Sometimes home 136 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: decor can fall into the whimsical category, like you're probably 137 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: not going to do your whole living room in whimsy 138 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 2: or your master bedroom because you get tired of it 139 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: pretty quickly. 140 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: But a small room like a powder room could. 141 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,679 Speaker 2: Be done with a cool wallpaper pattern. 142 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: That's a really great place to experiment. 143 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: And I lucked into having what I call my zoom 144 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: room is my closet in my office. Either the prior 145 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 2: owner or the one before that had put this wallpaper 146 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: up that looks like library shelves, that looks like bookshelves 147 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 2: with all these old books on it, and people see 148 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: me in it and they're like, are those books? 149 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: Are those real? And it's just no. 150 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: But it's a more fun background than I guess a 151 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 2: lot of the fake zoom backgrounds you can put in. 152 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 3: Yes, spluse, I feel like anything that tricks the eye 153 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 3: is a little bit whimsical in and of itself. I 154 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 3: do feel like whimsical decor, especially when people have thoughtfully 155 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: chosen art pieces they might have, like a humorous angle 156 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 3: can work really well. 157 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I love that, especially if some old 158 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: photo where people are doing something odd. Yes, it's gonna 159 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: make you laugh every time you look at it. 160 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: Totally well, I think that it can be whimsical to 161 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 3: choose manicure or pedicure colors that have nothing to do 162 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: with anything that would. 163 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 1: Be found in nature. Okay, so what kind of colors 164 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: are we talking here? What's your go to for? 165 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like a mint green can be fun 166 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 3: or leaning into something seasonal, so like maybe for Saint 167 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: Patrick's dale, I'll get some bright green nails or going 168 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 3: ridiculously hot pink or white, or like a dark dark 169 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: I don't know, but like not pink. 170 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 171 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: I don't know how my Apple maps got switched to 172 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: this voice, but it's a somewhat bossy lady and she 173 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: tells me she's like, turn right like that. 174 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: I mean literally, it is like that. 175 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: And I just get such a kick out of the 176 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: fact that it's not this random robotic voice. It sounds like, 177 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 2: you know, it is obviously AI, but it sounds like 178 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: a real person who might be like in my life. 179 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: Well, and I'm suspecting that perhaps you can get like 180 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 3: various celebrities to read your. 181 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: Directions at this point, but I actually think the fact 182 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: that you named her makes her extra wims O. 183 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: You can share or not share the name you've told 184 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: you No, maybe no, because we don't want to offend 185 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: anyone with that name with that name, so we'll just 186 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: because you know, I've just said it was really bossy beauty, 187 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: we will leave it to your imagination. 188 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: But it works. 189 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: You have bought books based on just liking the cover, 190 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: just like your hob Anici's right, totally. 191 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: I bought this. 192 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 3: I was at a birthday party and one of the 193 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 3: moms was like, oh, I'm reading this series and it's 194 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 3: called like the Unauthorized Diaries of Emma Lyon. And I 195 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 3: didn't even listen to her talk about like what was 196 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 3: in the books, but I saw the cover and I'm like, 197 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 3: I must have that, and I clicked. I just I 198 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 3: don't know, and it felt whimsical. I mean, it felt 199 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 3: impulsive as well. But I think sometimes it can be 200 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 3: fun and doing something like that will force you to 201 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 3: perhaps try something that you might not have otherwise chosen 202 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 3: if you knew more about it. 203 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: So I think sometimes when. 204 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 3: Decisions are not high stakes, just letting it kind of happen. 205 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: Can be a whimsical way to go about things. 206 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, now there's the idea of using something inappropriate to 207 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 2: the situation, like your fancy china, Like if you're having 208 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: pizza or something like that. That can be really fun too. 209 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: You know, most people don't use their good china nearly 210 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 2: often enough. I guess we're worried about breaking it, but 211 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: then like, it'll never get used, so pull it out, 212 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: maybe have something like regular Tuesday night dinner on. 213 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: It feels a little different. 214 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: I'll give my parents credit for that, because at some 215 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 3: point I came back and visited and I'm just like, oh, 216 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 3: you're just eating off of your like quote fancy plates. 217 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: Now, well good, because I mean, what are you saving 218 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: them for? Right? Yeah? So I like that. 219 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 3: I like, yeah, I think also just randomly pulling something 220 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: out and using it for pizza would be kind of fun. 221 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: Kind of fun. 222 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: Now we need to hear the story of why Sarah 223 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: had the whimsical thing happened in her life where she 224 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 2: set her alarm for TI two fifty am for an 225 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: online shopping experience. 226 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 3: Sarah, Well, we're going to share it after the break, 227 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 3: so cliffhanger, we will. 228 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: Be right back. 229 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 3: All right, we are back, and sorry for the teaser there. 230 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: It's not that big. But so tell us about shopping 231 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. 232 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, So Annabel was really excited about the Target Slash 233 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 3: Roller Rabbit pajama collab. Well, actually they didn't just do pajamas. 234 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 3: They did all sorts of housewares, but she particularly wanted 235 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 3: some pajamas. Roller Rabbit is like a higher end pajama brand. 236 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 3: We have a couple pairs of those as well, but 237 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 3: this Target collab was Roller Rabbit designed items at like 238 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 3: a fraction of the price, and we knew they were 239 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 3: going to go like hotcakes, And I mean, I just 240 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 3: decided to think of it as like, this will be fun. 241 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: And it was extra fun because it happened to be 242 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 3: on a night but the other three members of our 243 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 3: household were out camping, and so she set her alarm 244 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: and we went up, we got out, we shopped together, 245 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 3: and we went right back to sleep. And then bonus, 246 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 3: you get to gloat in the morning when everything's sold out. 247 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: So yeah, I. 248 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 3: Mean, the pajamas themselves are kind of whimsical, and the 249 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 3: experience of buying it in that way was really fun. 250 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I love it so indulging. 251 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: In a hobby that has no real point. I would 252 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 2: definitely put my miniatures in this category, and I put 253 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: them on shelves in my office, so when I'm just 254 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: sitting there working, I can look over to my left 255 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: and there are all these little miniature scenes. I mean, 256 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 2: there's a miniature library. Now, there's a miniature bedroom. There's 257 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: a miniature kitchen, there's a miniature bathroom, there's a miniature 258 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: laundry room accessorized with like some lovely attendees of BLP 259 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 2: Live last year gave me miniature Starbucks cups for the scenes, 260 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 2: so now I have those in there too. It's just 261 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 2: fun and even like doing I've done miniature tourism, Like 262 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: I went to the Philadelphia Miniature Show in Cherry Hill 263 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 2: was leaning all the way in. That's leaning all the 264 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: way in. Yeah, I'm gonna be in Chicago soon and 265 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: hopefully we'll stop by the Art Institute of Chicago and 266 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: see the Thorn Rooms again. I love seeing the Thorn 267 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 2: Rooms every time I'm there. At sixty eight miniature rooms 268 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 2: that are all carefully collected and put together. 269 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: There's actually a wide variety. 270 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: Of miniatures in Chicago because the Science Museum of Science 271 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 2: and Industry also has a huge dollhouse in the basement. 272 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 3: Well, maybe we'll have to go at the same time 273 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 3: if they have the there's like a big pen and 274 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: planner show. It's like huge, and actually it's sold out 275 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 3: in like two hours a year because that stuff is 276 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 3: so hot right now. Yeah, so we'll go together again 277 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 3: indulge are like random hogs. 278 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, we'll do stationary conference plus going to see 279 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: all the miniature stuff that is on display in Chicago. 280 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Now the gift you 281 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: gave Josh recently for Christmas? Right or hanaka? I guess yeah. 282 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: I think it was for his birth, which is at 283 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: the same time. Yeah, so that's why I was confused. 284 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I got peanut butter in the Month Club, 285 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 3: And I do think that getting really into something totally 286 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 3: mundane is so much fun and whimsical. But also these 287 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 3: peanut butters are like wild, like what's in that coffee people? Well, so, 288 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 3: every month there's usually one fairly traditional one, but often 289 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 3: sourced from another country. The best one, by far, in 290 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 3: my opinion, has been from a brand called One Trick 291 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 3: Pony that apparently sources all its peanuts from Argentina. 292 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: Like they have to be Argentinian peanuts, super good. 293 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 3: But then there's also a peanut butter that is weirdly 294 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 3: flavored like a maple one or a coffee one. 295 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: Or the chocolate one. Went real quick. 296 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so much fun. What makes a peanut butter good? 297 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 2: In your opinion, most peanut butter is good. Most peanut 298 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 2: butter is good. I mean, but why did the Argentinian 299 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: peanuts blow your mind? Yes? 300 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: Is the other ones? 301 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 3: It was a smooth peanut butter that was like beyond smooth. 302 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 3: I mean there was no so it's like pretty much 303 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 3: all these peanut butters are natural like, so they're not. 304 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: I don't think the subscription was framed that way. But 305 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 3: none of them have had like palm oil, so they 306 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 3: don't have that. Like I don't like the texture of 307 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 3: like Skippy or Ja, but this one managed to like 308 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just super silky. 309 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, to be even without the palma. I'll fascinate. 310 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: And now when you when they come, do you like 311 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 2: taste test them like on bread or crackers or what's 312 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: the just straight in a spoon out of the. 313 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 3: Usually Josh just like opens it and then yeah, often 314 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 3: people will taste it with a spoon or they'll have 315 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 3: it on His favorite is on cinnamon raisin Bagels's that 316 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 3: like every day. 317 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: Let's go well, a present that has been used that 318 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: story is great when you've got a whimsical present that 319 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 2: is not just sitting on the shelf. You know the 320 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: person well enough that it's become a household fun thing 321 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: every month. So the second part of this episode, we're 322 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: sort of transitioning to we call this spring one off 323 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: delights and not one off is then you'll never do 324 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: them again in your life. But they're sort of like 325 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: a moment or a thing that happens in spring that 326 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: we are either in our lives or in general things 327 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: that are cool that happen in spring, which official spring 328 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: will start, Yeah, a round at the time this episode 329 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: later in the week, I think the twenty first, twenty 330 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 2: second whatever the vernal equinox is. So for us, you 331 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: may hear again people screaming in the background because my 332 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 2: hotel room is right next to the pool our spring trip, right, Sarah. 333 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 3: Yes, this has become a little bit of a tradition, 334 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 3: and I feel like we've started to anchor it generally 335 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 3: to the beginning part of March, which works really well 336 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 3: because it's not quite the time of spring break and 337 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: the weather you're usually just getting sick of it in 338 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 3: Philadelphia and in the past few years. Actually we've made 339 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 3: it down to Florida, but not like well, one year 340 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: we did do it at my house, but that was 341 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 3: not on purpose. Usually we pick some really cute touristy destinations. 342 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: So we can both get a little bit of a 343 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: trip out of it. Yeah, so we've gone to Vero 344 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: Beach twice. 345 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: Now, we went to the Florida Keys, we went to Naples, 346 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: so lots of options. And this is where many people 347 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: come for spring break. So I'm of course happy to 348 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: come down here. 349 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: That Sarah lives in such a desirable tourist destination. It's nice. 350 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: It's a nice tradition. I like it. 351 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: So here are some other fun things. The certainly always 352 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: the flowers. What's one of the you're into. 353 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: I noticed this like two days ago. 354 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 3: I was taking a walk with Genevieve and we went 355 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 3: through this playground and I'm like, and all of a sudden, 356 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: it was like the scent of the honeysuckles returning. 357 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: I know, we're in Florida. That might be a couple 358 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: months away. Yeah, we're going to say, what's more like 359 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: May June for us? But okay, March works. 360 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 3: But it's such a characteristic and heady scent, and yeah, 361 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 3: I hadn't smelled it for a while. 362 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: I guess we do get a little break from it. 363 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: So it's just like nice to see that coming back. Yeah, totally. 364 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: All the flowers are of course the obvious spring one 365 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 2: off delights, but something that happens each spring for us, 366 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: you know, the time change happens the first or second 367 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: weekend of March, I guess the second weekend of March, 368 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: and we are able then to go outside after dinner 369 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 2: for our toad time time outside after dinner. And so 370 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: this past weekend, for the first time, on Sunday night, 371 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 2: we had gone out to dinner as a family and 372 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: then dropped Sam off at Scouts, and so it was 373 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 2: about seven to ten and it was still light, and 374 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: so we got our bikes out of the garage and 375 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: rode up and down the driveway and around our area, 376 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: and so yeah, it was fun to just have that. 377 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: Little extra time. 378 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 2: That's a spring one off delight as first, when you 379 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 2: can first do stuff outside in the evening, toad time return. 380 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 2: Toad time returns, it does, it does all right. 381 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 3: Well, there's also some seasonal treats that seem to come 382 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 3: around in the springtime. I already talked about on a 383 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 3: prior episode the delights of the Irish Potatoes, but there's 384 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 3: other ones as well, Easter treats. 385 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: What do you like, Laura, Well. 386 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: I've been too anything sweetheart related, so this time of 387 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: year with Easter you get sweet tart like bunny shape things, 388 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: I guess, or egg shape. But I like hearts and 389 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: Valentine's Day. However, we thought we'd you know, peeps or 390 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: Cadbury cream eggs. Are you into those, Sarah at all? 391 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 3: I used to like Cadbury cream eggs, like the big 392 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 3: ones when it's growing up, and honestly like it's just 393 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 3: a little too much cream in there. But I can 394 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 3: get around a Reese's egg. A Reese's egg okay, somehow, 395 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 3: like the egg shape is like a little bit better 396 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 3: than regular Reese's cup. I know there are people who 397 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 3: get really into peeps though, and like do like recipes 398 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 3: with peeps or like cake decoration with peeps. 399 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: But there is this whole thing about like exploding your peeps, 400 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: exploding microwave or something I don't know that crosses the 401 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 2: line from whimsical to just weird. 402 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: I agree, I'm not into it. 403 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,959 Speaker 2: So if you are a peep fan, have a picture 404 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: of some fantastical peep creation, please send it to us. 405 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: We will happily take a look at that. 406 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 2: So one spring, one off to light for me is 407 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 2: a seasonally appropriate iced coffee. So the first day, when 408 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 2: you want to order an iced coffee, not because other 409 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: people in your group are doing it or whatever like that, 410 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 2: but just because it is warm and you would like 411 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: something in the afternoon that is. 412 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 3: Iced, I think I'm going to work on finding a 413 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: good Starbucks order for the summer. Maybe I do tend 414 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 3: to gravitate toward hot, but it is kind of disgusting 415 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 3: when you're holding a hot cock like eighty five degrees. 416 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 2: Well, I still drink hot coffee in the morning, like 417 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: that's a season or your round thing for me. But 418 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: if I was going to have like a afternoon right 419 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 2: coffee related drink in winter, that might be a latte, 420 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 2: like a hot latte. But Jasper has gotten me into 421 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: iced vanilla oat milk lattes. 422 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:26,719 Speaker 1: Delicious, delicious, you know. 423 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: So it's the creamy but oat milk, so it's fine 424 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: for me, and the iced of course, and then the 425 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: vanilla just makes it a little sweet. 426 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, So you got. 427 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: The sweet and the bitter with the coffee, and it's 428 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 2: very good, very good. I'll have to try one. 429 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 3: All right, all right, well, this one's more for you. 430 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 3: But there is a moment that the weather changes and 431 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 3: you're like, socks are done with it. 432 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: Socks are done with now. It takes a while. 433 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 2: It might be into May in my part of the world, 434 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 2: because the weather is highly variable through April and early May. 435 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 2: But there is some point in there where you just 436 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 2: stop wearing socks all the time except for exercising, pull 437 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: out the summer shoes, put away the sweaters. It's a 438 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 2: moment when I decide, Okay, now is the time I 439 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 2: can go get these cleans, like, send all my sweaters 440 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 2: to the cleaners, then pack them up. They pack them 441 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: up to their stored for the summer. And it's kind 442 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: of a definite seasonal moment there. 443 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, I have toes. 444 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 3: Well, we wear sandals year round. But I will say 445 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 3: this will probably be like my push to put the 446 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 3: my ug minise back in the back of the closet. 447 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 448 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: Well, let's take one more quick ad break and then 449 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: we'll be back with a few more spring went off delights. 450 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 2: Well we are back, so coming into spring. Of course, 451 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: the schedule often picks up in terms of the sheer 452 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 2: volume of kid related end of year stuff. Some of 453 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: that can be a bit tedious at times, press less 454 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 2: of a delight, but there's often at least one or 455 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 2: two things you are really looking forward to, Sarah, you 456 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 2: have at least one or two, right. 457 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a couple, and I mean sports too, 458 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 3: depending on what the seasons look like. Like the gymnastic 459 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 3: season comes to a close, so that's kind of exciting, 460 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 3: and I'm. 461 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: Looking forward to this year. 462 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 3: I guess my first middle school graduate. I have a 463 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 3: number of events for wrapping up that chapter of my 464 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: oldest life and that'll that'll be kind of fun. 465 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we've got an eighth grade graduation as well, 466 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 2: no different graduations. Last year we had a high school 467 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: graduation and a pre K graduation, so I had the 468 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: whole gamut. We have obviously a couple of holidays that 469 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 2: it can be fun to celebrate Easter, Passover, and Mother's Day. 470 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: So this will be our annual. 471 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 2: Public service announcement that to avoid any sort of disappointment 472 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 2: around Mother's Day, people in your life may or may 473 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 2: not celebrate it for you as you might wish, or 474 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: if you need to be part of extended family celebrations 475 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 2: that are fun but maybe not exactly. 476 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: What you were hoping for, really like for you, for 477 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: they're not really for you. I know you're celebrating various 478 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: family matriarchs or whatever, which is wonderful we should. But 479 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 1: you know, if you want something for you, you can 480 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: always do. 481 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 2: What one of my blog readers suggested, which is have 482 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 2: a Mother's Day observed. So whenever a holiday falls on 483 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: like a Sunday, the post office will usually observe it 484 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 2: on Monday to give people that day off. So you 485 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 2: could have Mother's Day observed at some point in the 486 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 2: week before or after, where you maybe take a day 487 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: of PTO or a half day or something like that 488 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: and go do something that is for you, celebrating you, 489 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 2: hopefully at the time where your kids are in school 490 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: or in childcare already because it was a workday. 491 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it doesn't even have It could be 492 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 3: like a few days later. You could schedule it wherever 493 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 3: you want, but great way to have an excuse, not 494 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 3: that you need one, but to celebrate yourself, especially if 495 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 3: you're in the thick of it, and then you know 496 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 3: that you might have a tiny bit of resentment spending 497 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 3: Mother's Day maybe focused on someone else. 498 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 2: And then there's spring break, so Sarah, you have us somewhat. 499 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's ill advised or not. Hopefully 500 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: you'll have a great time. 501 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: Yes, And it's funny. 502 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 3: We were having a discussion about like when spring break 503 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 3: was and Laura was like, well, of course it's around Easter, 504 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 3: and I'm like, no, no, no, because like where we live, it. 505 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: Could be any time depending on the school district beginning of. 506 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 3: March and of March, middle of April, like it seems 507 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 3: to move around like crazy. 508 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: So we always have it in our area. 509 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 2: If Passover and Easter are together in the calendar, it 510 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: will be that week right now. The every seventh year 511 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 2: or so, they are far apart. It's I don't entirely 512 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: understand it. But and then we just get a day 513 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 2: off or Passover and have the week around to Easter. 514 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: But yeah, so we have that weekend, so do a 515 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 2: lot of other districts, which means where are you going, Sarah. 516 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 3: We're going to Disney World, which is probably not the 517 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 3: smartest And you're right because like that's when myce my 518 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 3: niece is off. So it all kind of clicks together. 519 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 3: But I had told myself, oh, well, you know, this 520 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 3: is just one of many spring breaks, so it won't. 521 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: Be that bad. 522 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 3: But it all makes sense as to why the flights 523 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 3: from Philadelphia to Orlando were like running at eight hundred 524 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 3: dollars for Frontier Airlines. 525 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: Like now it all it all makes sense. So yeah, 526 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: it's gonna be crowded, but you know. 527 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 2: But you got your reservations, as Sarah does. We have 528 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 2: booked long ahead of time for things. 529 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 3: Of course, I've got my hotel, which we booked many 530 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: months in advance. We have our Disney dining, which we 531 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 3: did I did right at the moment that you're allowed to. 532 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 3: I didn't use a planner this time, partly because well, 533 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 3: long story, but I didn't book the Disney direct so 534 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 3: I wasn't. 535 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: Sure if I could use a planner. 536 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 3: But we have stuff, and I also do not have 537 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 3: the world's most adventurous ride riders. I mean, Annabel does 538 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 3: like roller coasters, but most of the rest of this 539 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 3: crew does not. And the good news is like the slower, 540 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 3: tamer rides tend to be the rides with less of 541 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 3: a line. So I think we'll be able to kind 542 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 3: of get what we need to out of this Disney 543 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 3: World experience, even though there will be whares of people. 544 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: Please let the weather be good. 545 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, well if you have I feel like if you 546 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 2: get on like three rides and have a character dining 547 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 2: and you can do like Lightning Lane for at least 548 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 2: two or two right, So you have that and you 549 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: have the character dining on one thing, that's a good day. 550 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: That's a good day out of street exactly. Yeah, yeah, 551 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: that is a good day. 552 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 3: And we can I think our hotel. You can even 553 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,719 Speaker 3: see the fireworks from the hotel. 554 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: Like, well, we'll make it work. Yeah, No, we went. 555 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: I know we've gone more than one year on spring 556 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: break and I have one memory of a spring break 557 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: time when like you almost couldn't move through the park. 558 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: I remember so many people. Yeah came. 559 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 3: Actually I think I went President's Day weekend thinking oh 560 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 3: this is random. 561 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, once again, if kids are off school, Disney 562 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: is going to be crowded. 563 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 3: It's just you know, I've heard the Super Bowl is 564 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 3: actually the best time to go to Disney because so 565 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 3: someday I'm going to try that out. 566 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: If Josh Bull. Well, but he wants to watch the 567 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I mean, then we go to a sports 568 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: bar and Disney Springs and be fun. That could work. 569 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 2: That could work, all right, Well, those are some of 570 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: our whimsical ideas. 571 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: So we have a question. 572 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,479 Speaker 2: This was posted in our Patreon group, So we'd love 573 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 2: to have people come join us over there. If you 574 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 2: go to patreon dot com and then find Best of 575 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 2: Both Worlds podcasts, that's us. 576 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: We do multiple threads a week there. We have monthly 577 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: Zoom meetups. 578 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: Is a wonderful community of people who are combining work 579 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 2: and life and love both and we get great ideas 580 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 2: from our community members. 581 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: But this was posted in there. 582 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 2: It was what do you do when your child doesn't 583 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: want to do any activities? So, you know a lot 584 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 2: of people talk about, oh, we're so overscheduled. We have 585 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 2: all these activities as the kids were constantly in the car, 586 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 2: and that could be an issue on its own, but 587 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 2: sometimes you have the opposite thing. So this child complains 588 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 2: about not wanting to leave the house. So the person asked, 589 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: should we still require one to two activities or maybe 590 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 2: aim things that are life skills like swimming, or not 591 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 2: push for anything at all. 592 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: What would you say, Sarah, Well, I like that. 593 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 3: You mentioned swimming because that's one where I'm not sure 594 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 3: how negotiable I'd want it to be, because it could 595 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 3: be life saving someday depending on where you live in 596 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 3: the age of the child. So I like that you're 597 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 3: thinking about, well, what's actually important here versus like, you know, 598 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 3: what will be on their third grade resis may or 599 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 3: something like that, So that's good. I have kids that 600 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 3: have varying enthusiasm about activities, some who want to do 601 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 3: way more than actually really fit and then others who 602 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 3: is like, eh, you know, and we have with the 603 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 3: children that are less enthusiastic just gone pretty like low volume, 604 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 3: low preparation, So not activities where you need to come 605 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 3: to show up whatever having done a bunch of work 606 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 3: or are you having experience, but things you can just 607 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 3: show up and enjoy it. And also low time commitment, 608 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 3: so like for tennis is like the example I'm thinking of, 609 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 3: you can sign up month to month, so I'll tell 610 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 3: the child that we've paid for March, we're going to tennis. 611 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 3: But like you know, if they prefer to try something 612 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 3: else in the future, then they only have four that 613 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 3: they have to go to before they could. 614 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 1: Think of something different. 615 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 3: And I also don't mind dangling a little carrot, like 616 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 3: with tennis specifically, and it is hot where we live. 617 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 3: They can get their cold beverage of choice afterwards, and 618 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 3: if that makes the whole thing more appealing, I am 619 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 3: fine with it. Just generally sticking with the rec version 620 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 3: of whatever it is. Like, places like dance and gymnastics 621 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 3: have ways you can get very very intense, but mostly 622 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 3: a lot of those places also have wreck classes. So 623 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 3: if it's a kid that's not soenthusiastic, making sure that 624 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 3: you stick with the low key version. 625 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. We do Starbucks and wahwa trips sometimes after activities 626 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: and it definitely ups the motivation factor. I have a 627 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: child who definitely said he would continue doing something because 628 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: of a wah Wah trip that was promised after basically 629 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: every time, oh well you get something at Wahwah, it's okay. Yeah. 630 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 2: Also, second, the low volume, easy stuff. Some of our 631 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 2: kids do tennis lessons because that's something that tis relatively 632 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 2: low commitment and easy to do. We have a general 633 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: rule in our family that you do something physical and 634 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 2: something musical. Now, other families may not be pushing the 635 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 2: musical angle. But I would say something creative, perhaps in 636 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 2: something musical, so the I mean something creative in something physical, 637 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 2: So that could be drama, it could be an art class. 638 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 2: We've had some luck with a pottery class, like kids 639 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 2: who are not into other things might enjoy that or Yeah, 640 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 2: so I think that's been a good rule for us. 641 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: And that's really only two things like that could be 642 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 2: satisfied by a thirty minute instrument lesson and a forty 643 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: five minute tennis lesson in the course of the week, 644 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 2: and with one hundred and sixty eight hours, that means 645 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 2: multiple days they're not doing anything after school or on 646 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 2: the weekend they might have a free day. So I 647 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 2: think two is fine to aim for for a kid 648 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 2: who is not that excited about doing things, and hopefully 649 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 2: there's something within this vast wide world that they can tolerate. 650 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: But make sure you're also counting stuff you do as 651 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 2: a family if it is sort of like an activity. 652 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I know some people listening to this might 653 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 2: be involved in a house of worship and have activities 654 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 2: that kind of naturally happen as part of that, Like 655 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 2: if your kid goes to youth group during the service. 656 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: I mean that is an activity that is something they're 657 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 2: doing regularly that gets them out of the house and 658 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 2: involves other people, and so you can have credit for 659 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 2: that as well totally. 660 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 3: And I just a panic about the Oh no, if 661 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 3: I don't get them into this, they're gonna close off avenues. 662 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: I mean that might be true for certain things. 663 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm telling you, like soccer, it can be 664 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 3: hard to you know, make your school team if you 665 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 3: haven't been playing since you were three. For many kids, however, 666 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 3: there are so many things where that's not the case 667 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 3: that you don't have to be worried they'll shut out, 668 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 3: be shut out of everything. And just off the top 669 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 3: of my head, I think about like cross country usually 670 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 3: takes everyone. Rowing is a sport a lot of people 671 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 3: don't get into until way later. Different forms of art 672 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 3: like yeah, like pottery, ceramics, things like that. Your book, 673 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 3: that's something that you can get really active in later on, 674 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 3: So try it. If there's any part of you that's 675 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 3: like panicking because you're missing the boat, I would try 676 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 3: to move beyond that. 677 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 678 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 2: Now you can get involved in singing later in life, 679 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 2: you know, And people might come. 680 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: To sports later as an adult. 681 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 2: Certainly running or cycling or those are things that you 682 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 2: can do lifelong. So if your kid just likes to 683 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 2: ride bikes a lot, they don't have to do it 684 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 2: necessarily in an organized way. But if they are biking regularly, 685 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 2: that is a cool thing too. Like you know, say 686 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 2: we go on two family bike rides a week, that 687 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 2: would be an activity, right, That is something physical, It 688 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily have to be in an organized sport kind 689 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 2: of thing. Well, this has been best of both worlds. 690 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 2: We often end with a love of the Week, but 691 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 2: this has kind of been an all love of the 692 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 2: Week episode because of. 693 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: Our Spring one off delights. 694 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 2: We'd love to hear from you about any Spring one 695 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: off delights you have as well. You can always reach 696 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 2: me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. Sarah loves comments 697 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 2: on her blog for instance. We will be back next 698 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 2: week with more on making work and life fit together. 699 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 700 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 3: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram. 701 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 2: And you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 702 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please 703 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 2: join us next time for more on making work and 704 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 2: life work together.