1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: We are joined now by Steven Miller, who we hope 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: will be in charge of the border immigration. All of 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: the chaos that Biden has brought to bear, Stephen Miller 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: could help to solve in the Trump administration. And Stephen, 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: let's just kind of start right here with the expectation 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: that Biden is going to announce up to I believe 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: what is the number five hundred thousand people in the 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: United States could have a new pathway to citizenship by 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: virtue of being married to an American citizen. What should 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: we know about this policy, what is not being told 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: to us? And where do you think Biden is headed? 12 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, it's going to be much larger. 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: If White have already put out the fact sheet, and 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 2: just reading the fact sheet, it's going to be much 15 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: larger than five hundred thousand. The five hundred thousand refers 16 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: just to their estimate of the number of illegal aliens 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: who have a citizen's spouse who've been here for the 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: number of years indicated. The executive work also says that 19 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: is going to make DACA beneficiaries if you remember that 20 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: one as well eligible for green cards. That's another seven 21 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 2: eight hundred thousand and then it says it's going to 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: also make eligible for green cards any illegal alien who 23 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 2: has a college degree. And as we all know, that 24 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: runs the gamut. That means online universities, it means crazy 25 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: socialist comma universities, it means community colleges, is every kind 26 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 2: of university up and down, which from an economic standpoint 27 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: of course, is going to be an extraordiny amount of 28 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: competition for young voters are already having a hard enough 29 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 2: time finding a job. Now they're gonna have to compete 30 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 2: against illegal alien di hire. So it's another gift from 31 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: Joe Biden to our beleaguered young people in this country. 32 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 2: But you add that all up, it's going to be 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: in the millions. Then on top of that, when you 34 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: get citizenship, you of course have the right to bring 35 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: in your relatives and its failing members. And that's the 36 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: real game here. Every illegal alien in this country is 37 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: going to have at least one relative who qualifies for 38 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: this the whole point, and that becomes the hook to 39 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: try to sponsor your whole family to become US citizen 40 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: as using chain migration, both your family living here in 41 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: the United States and your family living abroad. So it's 42 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: a way to try to eventually branch out to the 43 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: whole illegal alien community. But an important point on this. 44 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: Congress has considered citizenship bills for legal aliens for a 45 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: quarter century, going back to the Bush administration. Every single 46 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: one of those bills has failed, and most oftentimes members 47 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: of Congress who voted for those bills, who authored them, 48 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: and who wrote them have seen their careers destroyed in 49 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: less through in a deep left state or deep left district. 50 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 2: So the American people have said no to citizenship legal 51 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: aliens for twenty five years. Now, our tyrant king, our 52 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: senile tyrant King, Joe Biden is saying, well, screw your legislature, 53 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: screw your laws, screw your democracy, screw your constitution, screw 54 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: all the laws and rules and regulations of the United States. 55 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: I'm going to make millions of illegal alien citizens. I mean, 56 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: do we appreciate how breathtaking that is? I mean, the 57 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: kings that we lived under as colonists did not have 58 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: the powers or even close to the powers that Joe 59 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: Biden is asserting today. And he's doing it in the 60 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: middle of a border invasion where we've just seen in 61 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 2: the headlines one Biden migrant tied up two children and 62 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: raped a thirteen year old girl. Allegedly, another Bidom migrant 63 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: allegedly committed a heinous kidnapping, beating, and murder of a 64 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: Maryland mother of five. Just in the last week. These 65 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: two incidences came to light. So here's an administration that's 66 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: unleashing rapists and murderers onto our citizens and unleashing carnes 67 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: we could scarcely imagine a few years ago. And what 68 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: are they doing now? Now They're creating a pathway to 69 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: citizenship for millions of illegal aliens. If this doesn't turn 70 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: millions of Democrats, censrists, and independence against Joe Biden, nothing will. 71 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: Is a direct attack on our democracy. This is Joe 72 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: Biden is the insurrectionist in chief. This is an insurrection 73 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: against the laws and constitution of the United States. It's criminal, 74 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: it's heinous, it's egregious. 75 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 3: Speaking of Stephen Miller, formerly of the Trump White House 76 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 3: and President of America, first Legal and Stephen, walk us 77 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 3: through what you see as the political calculations that Biden 78 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: is making. You've talked to us about what the implications are. 79 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 3: And as there's always the case when it comes to 80 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 3: Democrats and a legal immigration they're lying about what they 81 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: want and they're lying about what the effects will be. 82 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 3: How do you see Biden doing this at this phase 83 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: playing out on the political side of things, And do 84 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 3: you think that is this a desperation ploy from him 85 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 3: or has this been the plan all along? 86 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 2: Well, the answer is both the plan all along in desperation. 87 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: I think that if they if they were pulling as 88 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 2: they would like to, they would have done this executive 89 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: action and more like it further down the road after 90 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: the election. It's a desperation play now because they're bleeding 91 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: from their own coalition. It's a very important point. They 92 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: wanted to be in a situation where their own coalition 93 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: was intact, but young voters, minority voters, female voters, et cetera. 94 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 2: They wanted what they see is their coalition to be intact. Obviously, 95 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 2: female voters is a large demographic, so I mean more specifically, 96 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: they're historic two with unmarried, single women. They want their 97 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: own coalition to be intact. It's not so this is 98 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: purely a play to their progressive base, whether it be 99 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: their hamas kids on college campuses, or any other segment 100 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: of their base that has been leaving them either leaving 101 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 2: them for their left or has been leaving them to 102 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: go towards the Trump campaign. That's what this is. It's 103 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: just shoring up. But it's going to backfire spectacularly because 104 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: is going to drive away for every one voter they get, 105 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,799 Speaker 2: they're going to underestimate the rass this is going to occur. 106 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: They're going to drive away five ten x more voters 107 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 2: because if you look at the polling right now, you've 108 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: seen it, you've talked about it. Sixty three percent of 109 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: the country, according to CBS, wants mass deportations. Well, the 110 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: exact opposite of mass deportations is mass ambassy, the exact 111 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: opposite Like, what's the exact opposite you can do deporting 112 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: someone to make the mis citizens. So you are enraging now, 113 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: enraging not just sixty three percent of the country that 114 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 2: wants mass deportations, but in the ten to twenty percent 115 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: of the country that opposes amnesty but is probably on 116 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: the fence about mass deportations. So you're alienating seventy to 117 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 2: seventy five percent of the country easily with this executive action. 118 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: So obviously the people inside the White House are very 119 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 2: terrified that his coalition is splintering, falling apart. But it 120 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: is so autentication with panic based decision making is going 121 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: to hurt them massively with swing voters, central voters, youth 122 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: voters for the reasons I just mentioned, Black voters is 123 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: going to be a catastrophe, is going to be a 124 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: catastrophe with Latino voters who are going to lose their 125 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: jobs and their healthcare to these illegal aliens. And then, 126 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: lastly to the demographic I mentioned earlier, for single women 127 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: who are seeing all of this migrant crime. You were 128 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: going to now have Joe Biden losing that demographic too, 129 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: because they are going to see more and more stories 130 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: about women who are not safe in America because Joe 131 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: Biden is letting rapists into the country. I wish there 132 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: was a nicer way to say it, gentlemen, There's no 133 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: polite way to say it. Joe Biden is letting rapists 134 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: into the country, and that is going to be cyanide 135 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: for him with all voters, but particularly with female voters. 136 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: How quickly, let's talk positive here for a minute with you, Steven. 137 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: Let's say Trump is elected, you come in and you're 138 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: involved in a significant way in fixing the situation. 139 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: At the border. 140 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: How quickly can the border situation be fixed relative to 141 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: where it is now and what would those steps need 142 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: to look like. 143 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, as soon as Donald Trump were 144 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: to win the word would he needed to go after 145 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 2: the world. The border is going to be closed in January. 146 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: So as soon as you take office, before you even 147 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: put the first pen stroke to any executive action, just 148 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: the knowledge that Donald Trump is in the White House 149 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: is going to send border numbers down right off the bat. 150 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 2: Probably I mean, don't help me do this number, but 151 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: probably something like seventy eighty percent, just right off the bat, 152 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 2: because people are going to be cartels are going to 153 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 2: be scared, and the illegal aliens are going to be 154 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: deeply worried about what's going to happen. Then, once you 155 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,719 Speaker 2: start putting in place all the tools and strategies that 156 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: we've discussed Pilot forty two remain in Mexico, say, third agreements, 157 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: categorical asilent bands, rapid deportations, and then you begin the 158 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: interior movals, you're going to see those numbers plummet. Of course, 159 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: even lower catch release is going to be ended, and 160 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: you're going to be able to send shift your resources 161 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: and your energy institutionalizing those interior removal operations. In other words, 162 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: as the numbers get lower and lower on the border, 163 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: you can reassign ice Border Patrol CPP customs officers to 164 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: supporting interior removal operations, and so those numbers are going 165 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: to scale up, up, up up, and then as people 166 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: in home countries see people who arrived years ago now 167 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: going back, it's going to have a massive chilling effect 168 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: on people even being willing to attempt the journey. In 169 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: other words, when you're living in a community in a 170 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: country and you see a legal alien come back, it's 171 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: like that guy left four years ago and now he's 172 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: back here. You're not even going to bother with it. 173 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 2: So it creates it what they call a virtuous cycle. 174 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 2: Every additional deportation becomes an additional discouragement to somebody else 175 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 2: to cross. So, yes, it's a gargantuan levias and effort, 176 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 2: But when you have a president who's actually committed to 177 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: repelling the invasion and restoring American sovereignty, you will be 178 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: shocked at the speed and efficiency with which things can 179 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: be turned around. 180 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 3: Stephen. To that end, there are people even on the right, 181 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: a few at least that I've seen who have real 182 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 3: doubts that the president will have the follow through on 183 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 3: this one this time around, particularly the issue of illegal immigration, 184 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 3: deportations and the interior enforcement. You spoke of, you know 185 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 3: the man and you were involved with him obviously in 186 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 3: term one. Can you just speak to can we count 187 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 3: on Trump to do it this time? 188 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 2: One million percent? First of all, and we've talked about 189 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 2: this before, but people don't even people think they know 190 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: just how much we did in the first term. They 191 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: don't even know how much we did in the first 192 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 2: term in terms of how extraordinarily locked down that border 193 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: was tigher than a submarine hatch. We had zero releases 194 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: in the year twenty twenty. We beat the ninth. 195 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 4: Startlet we beat the ACLU, We beat. 196 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 2: The Democrats, we beat the radical left. We put in 197 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 2: place the most robust suite of enforcement tools that this 198 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: canch oulenge, this's ever seen. No country in the entire 199 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: Western world, how it. We had no country in the 200 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 2: Western world, not Australa, not France, not the United Kingdom, 201 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: not Germany, not Pulling, not even Hungary. No country in 202 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: the Western world, how we had, And yet we're the 203 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 2: only country in the Western world that shares a two 204 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: thousand mile border with the developing country that's the gateway 205 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: to another one hundred and fifty countries. So what we 206 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 2: did in the first term, and what President Trump did 207 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 2: in the first term is astonishing. What he will do 208 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: in a second term will be even more astonishing. And yes, 209 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: I know him very well, not just in the last 210 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 2: eight years, but also just recently, having many conversations with 211 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: him about is immigration plans for the second term. And 212 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: I will just say to you that you will respond 213 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: to what will happen with unbridled glee. These will be 214 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: if we win, this will be the greatest days of 215 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: your lives. You will wake up every morning so excited 216 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 2: to get out of bed to see what's happening on 217 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: the border, to see what's having immigration enforcement. You'll set 218 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 2: your alarm clock two hours earlier every morning just to 219 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 2: get two more hours of daylight to watch the deportation 220 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 2: of flights happen. That's how excited you'll be, That's how wonderful. 221 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 4: This will be. 222 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: Wow, Stephen Miller with us last question for you, by 223 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: the way, belated Happy Father's Day. 224 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 3: I know that you are a proud dad as. 225 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: Am I Do you have any You're very serious on 226 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: the border and we want you to absolutely dominate there, 227 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: but you also like pop culture, which is going to 228 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 1: surprise some people. Do you have any viewing suggestions to 229 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: our listeners out there as they are officially into summer season? 230 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: What are you consuming? Do you watch House of the Dragon, 231 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: do you watch any of these new shows that are 232 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: out there, or what would you suggest old school that 233 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: people try watching. 234 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 2: I just started watching the new Ja Gillenhall vehicle. I cannot, 235 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 2: for the life of you remember the name. I think 236 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 2: it's It's presumed innocent. I just started watching it now. Yes, 237 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: you were a discretion warning. This is not a family show. 238 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: Do not, under any circumstances watch the show with your 239 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: mind and children. This is not family entertainment. We've talked 240 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 2: a lot in the past about family shows. Yes, the 241 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: first two episodes are promising. I'll tell you how I 242 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 2: feel after another couple episodes. The first two episodes are promising. 243 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: If you're interested in sort of moody environmental murder mysteries, 244 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 2: this is a show for you. If you're easily upset 245 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 2: by this kind of content, then definitely don't watch her. 246 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: I've heard it's good. Have you heard that buck the 247 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: new Presumed Innocent with Jake Gillenhall. I know it's out. 248 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: I haven't seen any of it yet. 249 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 3: Kerry and I started watching, and I think she I 250 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 3: think she fell asleep, but that doesn't mean anything because 251 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 3: she just sometimes falls asleep on my shoulder and were 252 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 3: watching things. I've been trying to watch Shogun, for whatever 253 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 3: that's worth. I heard that is good. What do you 254 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: think like Game of Thrones basically said in Japan? 255 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: Is what I was told Caull Showgun just to see 256 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: you having hooked at the word of Shogun. 257 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 4: So just the fact of this call. 258 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 2: Shogun, I'll give it a chance. I'm very into all 259 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: things Samurai. But I heard that show's good also, I 260 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 2: mean sorry, I heard Shogun is good. I like Presumed 261 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 2: Innocent so far, and I want to watch Dark Matter. 262 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 2: I've also heard great things about that, but I haven't 263 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 2: started watching it yet. 264 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 3: I did, Steven, You'll be proud of me. Actually, my 265 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 3: wife we were looking to watch something last weekend and 266 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 3: or two weekends ago, and she I said, hey, honey, 267 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 3: this is a classic. Just just trust me on this one. 268 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 3: And we started watching Roadhouse and at about half an 269 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: hour in I'm like, oh gosh, is this working, And 270 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 3: she's like, this is great. We have to finish it. Yes. 271 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: By the way, if you want a throwback movie reference 272 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: to end this interview with movie you probably haven't seen 273 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 2: in a long time that your audience probably forgot they 274 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 2: ever saw. That's one of the most underappreciated genius films 275 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 2: of the nineties, Multiplicity with Michael Ketton. Go watch it again. 276 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 2: If you haven't seen it. He should get an oscar 277 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: for that performance. 278 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 3: Well, I've seen it, but I have no recollet. 279 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: When you just mentioned it, I can't even think anything 280 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: about the plotline or anything associated with it. 281 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a Harold raymis film of Ghostbusters and Groundhog 282 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: Day and Animal Shack and all that, And it's one 283 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: of the lesser noticed movies that he did. 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Call check out the 323 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: website today News. 324 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: You can count on as some laughs too, Clay, Travis 325 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 3: and Bucks. 326 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you 327 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. 328 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 3: All right, welcome back in team. We have Michael Patrick 329 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: Leahy with us now. He's the CEO and editor in 330 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 3: chief of The Tennessee Star. Michael, thanks for making the 331 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 3: time for us. This is I can't say it's hard 332 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 3: to believe in America today, but it does show just 333 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: how far the fight against the first Amendment has gone 334 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 3: and the way that journalists are not all rallying to 335 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 3: your cause is not surprising, but it's still distressing. So 336 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 3: you have been called and this is about the Tennessee 337 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, the Nashville trans shooter manifesto. You've written about 338 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 3: some of this in the Tennessee Star, and you had 339 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 3: to appear in court because the judge was threatening sanctions 340 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 3: against your news organization. Tell us what's going on here? 341 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 4: Even worse than that, Bucca, thanks for having me on, 342 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 4: by the way, worse than that I received. On June tenth, 343 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 4: my attorney received a show cause hearing order from Judge 344 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 4: Lashia Miles, who's hearing the case in Nashville's Chantry Court, 345 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 4: a case that we're a plaintiff in where we and 346 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 4: several others, including the Tennessee and the Tennessee Firearms Association, 347 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 4: back in May of twenty twenty three, asked the judge 348 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 4: to follow the Tennessee Public Records Act and release all 349 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,479 Speaker 4: of the writings of the Covenant Killer, twenty eight year 350 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 4: old Audioli Kale, who killed six Nashville residents at the 351 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 4: Covenant School on March twenty seventh, twenty twenty three, So 352 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 4: all of the writings from the Killer have been turned 353 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 4: over to the judge for her review. She's been resuming 354 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 4: them for about a year, probably about five hundred pages 355 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 4: of twenty journals and one operational plan for the day 356 00:18:55,080 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 4: that she carried out this task. I obtained legally on 357 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 4: before June fifth, the eighty pages from one of those journals, 358 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 4: the most recent one, and also some files from the 359 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 4: criminal investigation record, and then we began writing stories based 360 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 4: upon those pages from the journal, but we didn't publish 361 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 4: any of them. We wrote stories probably twenty twenty five 362 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 4: on those journals. We wrote a number of stories based 363 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 4: on the other documents that we'd received that weren't under 364 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 4: her review. And so out of the. 365 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:40,719 Speaker 5: Blue, Out of the blue, Monday evening, last Monday evening, 366 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 5: we got this order from the court, and she said, 367 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 5: the court sets the show cause hearing to determine why 368 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 5: the alleged publication of certain purported documents by the Tennessee 369 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 5: Star and Michael Patrick Lay does not violate the order 370 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 5: of the court subjecting them to contempt proceedings and sanctions. 371 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 4: But the weird part about this book is earlier that day, 372 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,239 Speaker 4: in this order, the judge said the court received a 373 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 4: media call requesting a comment or a statement regarding the 374 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 4: Tennessee Star publication alleged publication of certain purported documents. That 375 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 4: call was made to the judge from a reporter at 376 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 4: WSMV Television here, an NBC affiliate, Stacy Cameron, who we 377 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 4: scooped and apparently he was pretty mad about it, and 378 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 4: he made false representations to the court. So that's how 379 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 4: their hearing was set up. So I show up there 380 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 4: yesterday to answer the court's claims we didn't violate any 381 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 4: quart or. I had a terrific attorney, Daniel Horwitz, in 382 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 4: the First Amendment specialist. I'd also been represented by Nick 383 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 4: Berry America First Legal in the ongoing case. The judge 384 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 4: heard from everybody else except for my attorney until the 385 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 4: very end, and she talked about something entirely different. It 386 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 4: wasn't a show caused order about me. It was to 387 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 4: get the opinion of all the other people in the case. 388 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 4: And there's like twenty lawyers as to whether or not 389 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 4: the fact that we had published stories based upon these 390 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 4: eighty pages, whether she still should render a decision. My 391 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 4: attorney got up and at the very end, at seven 392 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 4: minutes and tried to ask the judge, now, what was 393 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 4: that order that you said we violated? She shut him down. 394 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 4: She was very rude to him. I basically I was 395 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 4: denied the privilege of being represented by my attorney by 396 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 4: her conduct. He did a good job, But the bottom 397 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 4: line of this is she said, well, now I have 398 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 4: some information, I may order a special investigator to look 399 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 4: into Leahy and see if we should proceed with contempt 400 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 4: of court. That's the summary of it. Buck. 401 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: Okay, why do you think that these writings and I'm 402 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: in Nashville born and raised native, Thanks for coming on. 403 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 3: Why do you think. 404 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: These writings, over a year after the brutal murder of 405 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: six innocent people by this crazy trans person, has not 406 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: been released into the public domain in any way. 407 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 4: Well, that's a good question. The Metro National Police Department 408 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 4: have stated that it's still an open investigation. There's an exception, 409 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,239 Speaker 4: as you know, since you're an a journey Clay went 410 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 4: to Vanderbilt law school or I did very well in 411 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 4: law before you did very well in media. There's an 412 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 4: exception to the Sennessee Public Records Acts, which allows police 413 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 4: departments not to release documents if there's an open investigation. Well, 414 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 4: we're very skeptical that more than a year after there's 415 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 4: still is an open investigation. But that's the reason that 416 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 4: these writings haven't been released. They say, I. 417 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 3: Mean they're live. I mean, this is an open investigation. 418 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 3: They just never want to close the investigation. So they're 419 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 3: clearly abusing this. But also the notion, I mean, if 420 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 3: you work for the New York Times, no person with 421 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 3: an IQ over fifty would think that a judge would 422 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 3: be calling you in lack. Oh, you publish something that 423 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 3: I said is not allowed to be spoken about or 424 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 3: written about. It feels like the politics here are coming 425 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 3: down on your head because the left doesn't want this, 426 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 3: the truth of this trans terrorist coming out for the 427 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 3: public to see. 428 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 4: Well, interestingly enough, Clay and Buck, we obtained some other 429 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 4: documents legally that are not among the writings that the 430 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 4: judge is reviewing in camera. That's her decision about what 431 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 4: she's going to allow to be released or not. But 432 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 4: one document you may have seen this a memo from 433 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 4: the FBI the Behavioral Analysis Unit out of Quantico, Virginia, 434 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 4: sent May eleventh, twenty twenty three, to the Chief of 435 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 4: Police Shair John Drake. The subject line was protection of 436 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 4: legacy tokens. Do either of you guys have you ever 437 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 4: heard the term legacy token? 438 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 3: No? 439 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 4: No, okay, So it's a term made up by the 440 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 4: FBI and Buck. You know from your days at the CIA, 441 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 4: how these guys work. The memo, the legacy token refers 442 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 4: to a writing or a video or a social media 443 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 4: posting left behind by a mass murderer. Because you know, 444 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 4: when there's a mass murder of the FBI swoops in 445 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 4: to the local police department and they take it over, 446 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 4: basically information flow. In this memo to Intronational Police Chief 447 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 4: John Drake, the FBI said, never release these documents because 448 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 4: the public won't understand them, pontificators and pundits will misinterpret them, 449 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 4: and certain special groups might be hurt by it. I 450 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 4: wonder who they mean by that. But wait, there's more 451 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 4: in that memo. You can go to the Tennessee Star 452 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 4: dot com Tennesseetar dot com and just type an FBI 453 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 4: or hit the covenant a school shooting tab and see. 454 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 4: They also said, oh, by the way, Chief Drake, there 455 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 4: is precedent for the destruction of legacy tokens. They destroyed 456 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 4: the basement videos of the Combine kidder killers back in 457 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 4: nineteen ninety nine. Now, the FBI didn't say destroy these documents, 458 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 4: but they said, oh, by the way, here's this president 459 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 4: for destroying documents. 460 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: Now we're talking Matt what Michael Patrick Lahy encourage you 461 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: to go check out the Tennessee Star. A couple of 462 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: tight end questions here, have you published all of the 463 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: documents that you have received at this point or their 464 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,719 Speaker 1: other things that you plan to publish? Second part of this, 465 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: and this builds on what Buck said. Generally speaking, anytime 466 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: a journalist is threatened with punishment for publishing something that 467 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: is the newsworthy, the media all lines up in concert 468 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: behind them and says, Hey, what a brave steward of 469 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: journalism this is. Let's go ahead and support them. Have 470 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: you gotten any of that coverage or support from the 471 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: New York Times, The Washington Post, the ostensible protectors of democracy. 472 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: Democracy dies in darkness after all with the Washington Post? 473 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: So is there more to come? 474 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 3: And? 475 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: Secondly, have the stalwarts of journalism and truth and justice 476 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: in America lined up behind you as they oftentimes claim 477 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: that they that they would do. 478 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 4: I'll take the second question first, no, nothing from the 479 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 4: New York Times, ABC, nbccbscn N. They've said nothing about 480 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 4: my First Amendment rights, and nor for that matter, have 481 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,239 Speaker 4: many the local television stations. I will say that the 482 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 4: Tennessee and has said has said my things, and the 483 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 4: Nashville Banner has defended my rights. Here most conservative media 484 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 4: outlets have in fact defended my rights now First Amendment rights. 485 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 4: But let's go back into Mortcone. Absolutely there's more to 486 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,959 Speaker 4: com We actually have not yet published any of the 487 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 4: eighty pages that we have from the killers writings. There's 488 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 4: probably about five hundred pages or so that's currently being 489 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 4: reviewed by the judge. But I will tell you this, 490 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 4: I have a lot more documents from the police investigation. 491 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 4: I have many crime scene photos. We haven't published any 492 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 4: of them yet, but we have the right to publish 493 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 4: all of them, and we may in the very very 494 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 4: near term. I will point this out, Clay, since you're 495 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 4: from Nashville. The police here in Nashville, and we've got 496 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 4: documents to grove with affidavit, subpoenis, etc. Have known from 497 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 4: day one of their investigation March twenty seventh, twenty twenty three, 498 00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 4: that Audrilisabeth Tale was under care of Vanderbilt Psychiatric Hospital, 499 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 4: part of Vanderbolt University Medical Center for twenty two years, 500 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 4: from two thousand and one when she was six years 501 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 4: old to twenty twenty three, when she was basically twenty 502 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 4: eight years old when she died. Also, I have evidence 503 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 4: from the police file that mental health professionals at Vanderbilt 504 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 4: University knew that she had threatened to kill her father 505 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 4: and carry out a shooting and failed to follow in 506 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 4: their duty to warn. 507 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: That is a big deal. One last question for me 508 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: for you. I've heard that she was interested in shooting 509 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: at multiple schools and may not have attacked those other 510 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: schools because she saw armed security there and felt like 511 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: there would be better response in terms of being able 512 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: to protect the kids. Has your reporting uncovered anything of 513 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: that nature. 514 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 4: Her parents were asked in a police interview in July 515 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 4: twenty twenty three why Covenant They didn't know. I can 516 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 4: tell you from what I've seen a first nothing untoward 517 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 4: happens happened to her from any of our evidence. When 518 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 4: she was a student at Covenant School from kindergarten fourth grade, 519 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 4: and I believe the reason she chose Covenant because it 520 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 4: was a relatively soft target compared to some of the 521 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 4: other targets could have been Opry Mills or others, and 522 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 4: she was familiar with it. That was really the only reason. 523 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 3: Michael Patrick Leahy of The Tennessee Star, editor in chief, Please, Michael, 524 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 3: as this moves along, first of all, you get any 525 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 3: more heat, let us know so we can help get 526 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 3: the word out, because I think your first amament writes matter, 527 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 3: and I think especially in this situation where there's a 528 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 3: lot of political pressure, and please let us know as 529 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 3: you have developments in the story as well. 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East and I thought 570 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: it was interesting, Buck and you mentioned it and quiz 571 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: him on it, in particular, that they are doing so 572 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: by saying they're still in the midst of an ongoing investigation. 573 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: What in the world could they still be investigating at 574 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: this point in time. I mean, if there were some 575 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: sort of co conspirator, that person should have been at 576 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: rest been a year. I don't even understand what the 577 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: investigation that they're using as justification to not release all 578 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: these writings could possibly be. And they're five hundred some 579 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: odd pages. I think he said of the writings, if 580 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: there are some aspects of this writing that you believe 581 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: needs to be redacted because there are attacks on innocent 582 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: people or people are named, I think most people would 583 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: say that's fine. I as a Nashville resident, I think 584 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: it's important that we know what motivated and caused this 585 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: shooter to behave in the way that she did. 586 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 3: Well, if the standard is now we can only know 587 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 3: the motive. If the motive is something that advances the 588 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 3: political interests of Democrats, why don't we just come out 589 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 3: and say that, because it seems very clear that if 590 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 3: it is something that is politically a disadvantage for Democrats, 591 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 3: And I really just put it that bluntly, the public 592 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 3: is not allowed to know what the motive of a 593 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 3: incident of mass murder is or a mass shooting was. 594 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 3: And we've seen this before. I mean I mentioned during 595 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 3: the Obama administration when the Pulse nightclub shooting happened. The 596 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,239 Speaker 3: guy is on audio tape, you know, he called in. 597 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 3: He called in to tell everybody why he was doing it. 598 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 3: The FBI released a redacted transcript under Obama where they 599 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 3: cut out him saying I'm doing this for Isis and 600 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 3: I you know, and I do it for Allah and 601 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 3: you know all the Jihad Muslim stuff. They cut that 602 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 3: stuff out. You could fill in the blank yourself, but 603 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 3: they cut it out because it didn't fit the narrative 604 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 3: they wanted at the time. 605 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: That's right, and so I think you should be highly skeptical, 606 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: and it's wild to me that all of this cover 607 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: Bridge and I would encourage you again go check out 608 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Star to a large extent being completely ignored. 609 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: And we've talked about on this show for three years 610 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,919 Speaker 1: that we've been together on here. The biggest power of 611 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: the media, as it pertains the New York Times, the 612 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: Washington Post, who set the agenda in much of the 613 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: national print publication universe, is what they cover. That is 614 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: where their power lies. What they choose to treat as 615 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: a serious story and what they choose to pretend is 616 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: not a serious story. Obviously with what happened with the 617 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden laptop as a primary example. 618 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 3: Now he's still out there making the rounds doctor Anthony Fauci. 619 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 3: You know, I still think that he should be wearing 620 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 3: two masks, maybe goggles as well. Whenever he's breathing droplets. 621 00:34:54,000 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 3: He's out there hawking a book. It's called Anthony Fauci, MD. 622 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 3: Of course, of course, on call a Doctor's Journey in 623 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 3: Public Service. I want to vomit, but here we are. 624 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 3: He got paid a five million dollar advance, which is 625 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 3: pretty much like presidential memoir level advance. I mean that 626 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 3: is as big as advances these days really get. And 627 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 3: let's super. 628 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's super important to hit here because this that 629 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: that is an unbelievable amount of money to get for 630 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: someone who so let's be honest, it's. 631 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 3: It's just a giveaway, right, it's just left the system. 632 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 3: This is what they do. This is what I always say. 633 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 3: If you are a soldier for the left in politics, 634 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 3: not like an actual soldier, but if you are, if 635 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 3: you are somebody who's willing to uh, you know, swing 636 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 3: a pipe on the street for them, so to speak, 637 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 3: if you're going to go after their enemies, they will 638 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 3: always protect you. They will always have a job for you, 639 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 3: a sinecure somewhere. They'll always have some some position, some 640 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 3: board seat, some book deal. On the right. It's like, 641 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,439 Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, open a small business, good luck. 642 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 3: Your career in public life is ruined because you stood 643 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 3: up for what's right. I mean, we're not as good 644 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 3: about that at all, and we don't circle the wagons 645 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 3: the way that we should. But anyway, Fauci is out there. 646 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 3: He's also I think he's worth like fifteen million dollars 647 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 3: or something like that. So somehow and he's the highest 648 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 3: paid guy. Fauci is a in a multi million person 649 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 3: federal government payroll. Fauci is the highest paid employee of 650 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,240 Speaker 3: the federal government, the single highest which is really quite something, 651 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 3: isn't it. But he's out there and he's making the rounds. 652 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 3: And here, for example, is Fauci on that this is 653 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 3: a big thing. How we couldn't know fog of war, 654 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 3: all this stuff. He was on MSNBC. I think this 655 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 3: was this has cut four player. 656 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 6: How frustrating is it to you that people look back 657 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 6: with twenty twenty hindsight and judge you when you and 658 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 6: the rest of the world was. 659 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 3: In the fog of war? 660 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 6: You know, it is quite frustrating, Joe. They don't appreciate 661 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 6: that we were dealing with a moving target, wear a 662 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,839 Speaker 6: mask or not. How the virus is spread, I mean, 663 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 6: originally it was felt, understandably but incorrectly by the CDC 664 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 6: that it is spread by the same way that flu 665 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 6: is spread, namely, mostly by droplets, when in fact, most 666 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 6: of the transmission is not only by not droplets, it's 667 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 6: by aerosol, but also fifty to sixty percent of the 668 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 6: people who transmitted have no symptoms at all. We didn't 669 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 6: know that in the beginning. It was a changing moving target. 670 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 3: It's not just the beginning. Okay, this is what they 671 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 3: love to do now, Oh the fog of war. Yeah, 672 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 3: the first month or two we were figuring some stuff out. 673 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 3: But Clay, the fundamental problem with this, with the whole 674 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 3: Fauci approach now and with with all the journalists who 675 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 3: are just giving him backrubs for his book. Oh thank 676 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 3: you Fauci, and he's all this humility that he approaches 677 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 3: it with. Now, in retrospect, we couldn't have known what 678 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:24,760 Speaker 3: was happening. It was too difficult to decipher at the time. 679 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,760 Speaker 3: It was shut your face what we're I'll cover your face, 680 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 3: do what you're told. We know I am science and 681 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 3: the government's going to shut you down. Can't see your 682 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 3: parents in the hospital, can't have your wedding unless you're 683 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 3: George Floyd. And then you can have three funerals, but 684 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 3: can't have your funeral. All the stuff that they did 685 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 3: was under the guise of we are science, we have 686 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 3: the answers. They never said, we're not sure. This is complicated. 687 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 3: So I mean they violated the most basic tenets of science. 688 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 3: In the beginning, while they're now claiming that they were just, 689 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 3: you know, figuring it out as they went. They never 690 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 3: said that. They told millions of morons across the country 691 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,800 Speaker 3: we have the answers, and they believed everything that they said, 692 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 3: and they were shouting at you for not wearing a 693 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 3: mask out on the street. 694 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: I sat down with my three kids in April of 695 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Maybe it was early May, but I think 696 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: it was late April because we came to Florida and 697 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: spent the whole month of May because I was just 698 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 1: done with COVID already. Then you go back and check 699 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: my timeline. I mean we went out on Cinco de 700 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: Mayo to an indoor restaurant in Florida, and I posted 701 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: about taking my family out for Cinco de Mayo in 702 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Go read those comments. But I sat down 703 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: with each of my kids. This is why I refuse 704 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: to accept what the faucis of the world are trying 705 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: to say. Now they've moved from to your point, we 706 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,439 Speaker 1: know exactly what everyone in the whole United States has 707 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: to do to Well, maybe we were wrong, but you 708 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: heard Scarborough there say, oh, it was the fog of war. 709 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: You never could have known it somehow. I sat down 710 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 1: with my kids in late April of twenty twenty and 711 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: I said, look, you guys are not really at risk 712 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 1: from COVID. All of us are going to get it. 713 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: That's likely the way it's going to go, and we're 714 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: all going to be fine. A lot of us are 715 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: going to probably get it, will never know that we 716 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: even had it, because that's the way this COVID works for, 717 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: especially young people who are healthy. And I said, you 718 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: don't need to worry about it at all. We're not 719 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: changing our lives. And I was able to do that 720 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: with my family, with my boys, who I care about 721 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 1: more than anything in the whole wide world. But really 722 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: what they did was it was a huge IQ test 723 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,800 Speaker 1: and massive majorities, I would say, of the American population 724 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: failed it. And what it really came down to was, 725 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: can you or can you not understand basic risk? Can 726 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: you analyze for yourself and your family members reasonably intelligent 727 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,919 Speaker 1: decisions to make for purposes of risk? And Buck? When 728 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: you had me visit the apartment that you were living 729 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: in during COVID in New York City, yeah, I walked 730 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: in there. We first started doing It's been almost three years. 731 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: This is sometime probably in the fall of twenty twenty one, 732 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: when we had been doing the show for just a 733 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: little while, I walked in there and I said. One 734 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: of the first things I said was, I would have 735 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,319 Speaker 1: gone insane, like if I had been in a high 736 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 1: rise building living by myself, forced in New York City. Look, 737 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,760 Speaker 1: the only reason most people live in New York City 738 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,800 Speaker 1: is because you can experience the city. Right, Most people 739 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: aren't wealthy enough to have tremendous places to live in, 740 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: but say, hey, you can go to these parks, you 741 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: can go to these plays, you can go to If 742 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: you live in Manhattan, then you have a like a 743 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: really yard, you're a Rockefeller. Yeah, it's not a thing. Yeah, 744 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: So the only reason most people live in It's like 745 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: for those of you who don't live in New York City, 746 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 1: it's like most people don't go on a cruise ship 747 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: for the cruise room. You go on for the cruise ship. 748 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,319 Speaker 1: You go on for the places that you're going to 749 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 1: port of calls, things like that. Most of the time 750 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: you're not like, man, this cruise ship cabin is amazing, 751 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,840 Speaker 1: unless you're really rich, and you know, then that's different. 752 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 1: But I would have gone insane. And I mean, I 753 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: understand why everybody left New York City, who could, who 754 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,280 Speaker 1: had a better place to go, But what they did, 755 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: and the fact that still and I feel very fortunate 756 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 1: because I lived in Tennessee, I lived in Florida. My 757 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: life really didn't change very much during COVID, But for 758 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,319 Speaker 1: what they did, for no one to have been held accountable, 759 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 1: and now for them to be saying, oh, it's the 760 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 1: fog of war. Go read the comments from what you 761 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 1: and I were posting in twenty twenty. There was no 762 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: fog of war responses. People weren't like, well, you know, 763 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: this is an interesting perspective, but maybe I disagree with 764 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: it a little bit. 765 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 3: It was like, you're killing my grandma. You should go 766 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,359 Speaker 3: to Hell. I hope you die. That's what people said 767 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,840 Speaker 3: to me. Pep months. I mean, first of all, Biden, 768 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 3: let's bring this up to more of the current, in 769 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 3: the sense that they always just want to focus in 770 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 3: the first sixty days, Biden gave a speech in which 771 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 3: he suggested that people who weren't getting the COVID vaccine 772 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 3: were responsible for a winter of death. Okay, he actually 773 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,880 Speaker 3: gave that speech with the red lights and the marines 774 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 3: in the background. The whole thing, the Emperor Palpatine speech 775 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 3: for the Star Wars nerds out there, that was total, 776 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 3: total garbage. Okay, the vaccine did not prevent transmission at all. 777 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 3: They don't even pretend that it prevents transmission. So you 778 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,279 Speaker 3: were no risk to somebody else because you didn't get 779 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 3: the vaccine. That is a fact. And they divided the 780 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 3: country along those lines. They made people get vaccine passports. 781 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 3: In New York City, they were trying to make everybody 782 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 3: who worked at a company with more than one hundred 783 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 3: employees get the vaccine as a point of federal authority. 784 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 3: The Supreme Court finally stepped in. The Supreme Court should 785 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 3: have stepped in. I totally disagree. I thought the Supreme 786 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 3: Court was honestly to whimpy to step in on the 787 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,320 Speaker 3: shutting down of churches because they say so no, sorry, 788 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 3: like the government's not allowed to just say people are 789 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 3: getting sniffles, you can't go to church. I think that 790 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 3: we still as a society haven't even begun to take 791 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 3: full stock of what was done to us. I think 792 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 3: that people just want to move on past it, and 793 00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,799 Speaker 3: I think that's actually the wrong attitude. I think that 794 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 3: that unfortunately leaves us open to going down this pathway 795 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 3: in the future. I mean, here, for example, we could 796 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,719 Speaker 3: do this all day. We're gonna switch topics here in 797 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 3: a moment. But here is Rachel Maddow who was saying, 798 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 3: you don't if you get the shot, you don't get COVID, 799 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 3: you don't spread COVID. Remember she was famously on TV 800 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 3: saying that has no feelings of like, oh my gosh, 801 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 3: I was kind of silly. I shouldn't have No. No, 802 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 3: I still think she's a genius. Here she is with 803 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 3: Fauci saying that it was dangerous to talk about hydroxychloroquin 804 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 3: and I remeact and play five. 805 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 5: Was it dangerous for him to promote hydroxy chloroquin and 806 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 5: I remected and those other cures multi supposed cures that 807 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,240 Speaker 5: don't actually drink covid? 808 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously it is. 809 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,239 Speaker 6: I mean I don't want to get into how many 810 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 6: numbers of people would have made the difference, but clearly 811 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 6: he missed an opportunity because there were people out there 812 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 6: who knew nothing about this, who was saying hydroxy chloricin works, 813 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 6: and we know that not only does it not, but 814 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 6: it actually hurts people. 815 00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 3: He could have used the bully. 816 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,360 Speaker 6: Pulpit of the present and see to say, hey, listen 817 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 6: to the scientists, but he didn't do that. 818 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:10,400 Speaker 3: He is a horrible, vile, evil little smurf Fauci. Okay, 819 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,359 Speaker 3: it's not just I disagree with him, Okay, Fauci. So ivermectin, 820 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,800 Speaker 3: which is a drug that has saved people around the world, 821 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 3: the hundreds of thousands of people from river blindness. The 822 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,919 Speaker 3: person who developed the Japanese scientists who developed ivermectin got 823 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 3: the Nobel Prize in Medicine because it was such a 824 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 3: huge breakthrough. Hydroxychloroquin has been used to help people from malaria, 825 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 3: millions of people malarias horror. It can kill you, but 826 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 3: it's also debilitating. You can have relapses. Horrible. Those are 827 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 3: safe drugs, very safe drugs. Clay, you know what was 828 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,759 Speaker 3: promoted by Fauci and his little minions putting people on ventilators, 829 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,359 Speaker 3: which killed them, which killed them. Well, why isn't Rachel 830 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,240 Speaker 3: Mattow asking about Hey, you know, was it dangerous for you, 831 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,760 Speaker 3: like the little schmuck that you are, to promote being 832 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 3: on vent Was it dangerous for you to tell everybody 833 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 3: that remdesevere will save you. 834 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,359 Speaker 2: No, no, they won't. 835 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 3: You know, remdesivir brother, it doesn't work at all. I 836 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,880 Speaker 3: mean they were promoting things all along as you remember 837 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 3: this didn't work at all. 838 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,279 Speaker 1: Not only that, remember all of the ventilators that we 839 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,440 Speaker 1: made that then we ended up selling for scrap metal. 840 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 1: I mean they they produced because the idea was Remember 841 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,799 Speaker 1: they were trying to put Trump under the under the 842 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,400 Speaker 1: gun here, and they kept saying, remember all the questions, 843 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: can you personally guarantee that every single person who needs 844 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,759 Speaker 1: a ventilator is going to have one. We needed to 845 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,720 Speaker 1: we needed to mobilize, you know, the military industrial complex 846 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: in this country in order to get as many ventilators 847 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 1: done as possible. And they were saying, Trump can't get 848 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,239 Speaker 1: it done. And then Trump actually paved the way for 849 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: it to get done. And none of the scientists were 850 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 1: actually look a lot of it. And people who were 851 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 1: working in New York City, in those hospitals, I've talked 852 00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:57,880 Speaker 1: to them, they'll tell you this, they'll tell you it 853 00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 1: off the record. 854 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,920 Speaker 3: People were scared. I mean the medical personnel, we're scared. 855 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,319 Speaker 3: And they were like, I'm scared of COVID and I'm 856 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 3: talking about people in their forties, people that had really 857 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 3: no risk from COVID, but they got so freaked out 858 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,920 Speaker 3: that they wanted to put people on ventilators and then 859 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,200 Speaker 3: just see what happens, leave them be, spend less time 860 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 3: with them, don't figure out what's really going on. And 861 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,879 Speaker 3: they were pushing. I mean, son, if you're gonna point 862 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,239 Speaker 3: fingers at safe drugs, safe enough that people take them 863 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 3: for a whole range of things like ivermectin in hydroxychloricquin, 864 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 3: why not take any clay, Why not take any culpability 865 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 3: for pushing people. The only person that I personally know 866 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,880 Speaker 3: who died from COVID was one of the first wave, 867 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,920 Speaker 3: and he was put on a ventilator and he lasted 868 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,120 Speaker 3: weeks of just miserably slowly dying in the hospital. I 869 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,839 Speaker 3: think I truly believe he would have lived that they 870 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,680 Speaker 3: had not put him on a ventilator. I don't know 871 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,440 Speaker 3: a single person. I mean, I know people who were 872 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,160 Speaker 3: elderly and died with four or five different things, including COVID, 873 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 3: but I don't know anyone that got COVIDVID and died 874 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,880 Speaker 3: just from COVID. But the ventilator thing is pretty wild, 875 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,799 Speaker 3: because again I've met a lot of you don't know this. 876 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,440 Speaker 3: All of our taxpayer dollars, we produced whatever it was, 877 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,719 Speaker 3: millions of ventilators. The vast majority of them have now 878 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,239 Speaker 3: been sold for scrap metal because we had virtually no 879 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,239 Speaker 3: use for them. And I'm just asked if anyone I 880 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 3: don't know, if anyone can get to somebody who, whether 881 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 3: it's in Congress, we got a lot of members of 882 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,719 Speaker 3: Congress listen to the show. Asked the question that I've 883 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,400 Speaker 3: asked before about Fauci, which is, why is it that 884 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,040 Speaker 3: he never wants during the entire pandemic, said you're going 885 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,640 Speaker 3: too far. We don't need to do that, not one time. 886 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 3: One When they were cutting holes in masks so people 887 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,359 Speaker 3: could play the Obo in high school, he didn't say 888 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 3: that was too far. When they were making circles in 889 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 3: the park on the ground so people would sit socially 890 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 3: distanced from each other, he didn't say that was too much. 891 00:48:54,840 --> 00:49:00,160 Speaker 3: When they had kids in plastic bubbles in band practice, 892 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 3: he didn't say, maybe we could take a chill pill. 893 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,440 Speaker 3: Everything was everything that was crazy, everything that was for 894 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 3: the anxious freaks to like make us all live under 895 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 3: this tyranny. 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