1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My 5 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: name is Met, my name is Noel. They called me Ben. 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: We're joined with our guests, superproducer Ben, super shifter Hackett. 7 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,639 Speaker 1: Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that 8 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: As we describe previously, we've been on the road for 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: a bit. We're so happy to get back together, not 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: just with us, but with some of our fellow conspiracy 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: realists who will be joining us on air today for 13 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: our weekly listener mail segment. We are going to explore 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: some stuff about ICP. We're going to get a message 15 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: from medic Grandma. We're gonna talk about medically assisted suicide 16 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: in Canada. Many people wrote to us with their experiences, 17 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we might mess around with chat 18 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: GPT a little bit. It's the high kid on the block, right. 19 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: But before we do any of that, we're thinking we're 20 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 1: gonna begin with an email from our friend Tone about 21 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: something pretty pretty wild. Uh you know it's snow secret. 22 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: We recently got our show on TikTok. We've been doing 23 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of TikTok things. Uh and uh. 24 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: I think we're all aware of the recent hubbub about 25 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: banning TikTok. You guys remember reading about this. Yeah, it 26 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: sort of came and went right like, oh, there a 27 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: couple of times where they made some concessions, and then 28 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: recently there was some sort of statement and now it 29 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: seems to have petered out a little bit. Well, there 30 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: are definitely bands within the federal government, any federal employees 31 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: using outright man like you know for the the zennials. Well, 32 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: here is where our pal Tone comes into play. Tone 33 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: says the following, hayfellas, you may remember me as Tone, 34 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: I wrote to you all a few months ago about 35 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: a weird noise and a few other tangentially related phenomena 36 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: that affected me in a short period of time. Quick 37 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: update on that. The FBI hasn't contacted me since then, 38 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: but I'm definitely on a watch list or two. We've 39 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 1: been right there with you. Tone. As a matter of fact, 40 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: Tone says, who is it? Am? I right? You're right? However, 41 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: says Tone, that's not the reason for this email. I'm 42 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: back with my tinfoil hat to suggest the topic. I'd 43 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: like to hear your opinions on the restrict Act, or 44 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: as I like to call it, Patriot Act to electric boogaloo. 45 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: All I've seen about it in the media is in 46 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: regards to banning TikTok. But if you take even a 47 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: cursory glance at the bigger picture, you'll notice that it 48 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: is much more nefarious than that. Barring the fact that 49 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: many of the proponents of this bill owns stock in 50 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: competing social media companies cough cough, Meta cough cough. Barring 51 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: even still the fact that the biggest shareholders in those 52 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: competing social media companies and the MSM, which we take 53 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: to mean mainstream media as a whole, our vanguard and blackrock. 54 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: The danger which I'm referring to lies within the vague 55 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: wording and broad definitions in the bill. TikTok would just 56 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: be the start. This bill effectively grants a non electric 57 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: committee access to any and all devices and services connected 58 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: to the Internet, so long as they have more than 59 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: one million users, are owned by foreign adversaries, and see 60 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: the acting President deems them a threat. We're going to 61 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: aligne some of this because an in depth email thank 62 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: you tone we'd love these tone says this means everything 63 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: from websites and video games to mobile apps and even 64 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: the cameras in your home could be affected. That's pretty crazy, 65 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: we can. Well, let's add in this last part, Tone 66 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: notes that the restrict Act threatens any US citizen that 67 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: attempts to subvert the ville with felony consequences in the 68 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: form of a fine up to one million dollars and 69 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: up to twenty years in prison. Right, so, sort of 70 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: like tampering with a smoke alarm on an airplane, taking 71 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: the tag off the mattress. We know what you did, 72 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: so with this, like, okay, the restrict Act, I think, 73 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: like a lot of people, I first heard about it 74 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: in relation to TikTok, but it does seem pretty pretty 75 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: broad dangerously. So have you guys heard much about this 76 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: outside of TikTok. Well, I'm thinking about companies like Nantick 77 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: that we saw a gorgeous activation itself by Southwest recently 78 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: fourth level of Pokemon Go fame, but also prior to 79 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: that of like an essay fame, right when when their 80 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: connection or they were like a contractor or a vendor 81 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: for some kind of surveillency government. Yeah, I don't. I 82 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: don't have a full story there, but I am thinking 83 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: about a lot of the game games that show up 84 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: in like the the app store or the placed or 85 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: whatever that are to have a ton of users, right 86 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: over a million users are probably game oriented and data 87 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: mining oriented. Yeah, one hundred percent. Don't put me on 88 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: your phone screen with the Pokemon Go. It's like you 89 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: go away, that's Pokemon Go to the polls, the hot 90 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: sauce that's in my bag. I'm Hillary Clinton. I remember 91 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: when I have my five minutes of Pokemon Go dumb 92 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: and we were out at our spot and you were 93 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: not having it, and you were like, I'm my nah, man, 94 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: there's a snore lax on your book. Did I get 95 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: that thing away from me? Yeah? I you know, I 96 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: probably trend paranoid. It is known as it's a smart move, 97 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: and we know we know too much. It is known 98 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: as they say it's a device of fire, but it 99 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: is uh, it is reasonable And I know we love 100 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: acronyms on this show, so one to give you the 101 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: full name of the restrict Act. Uncle Sam's very cute 102 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: two with these. It is is the restricting the emergence 103 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: of security threats that risk information and community communications technology 104 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: super rolling off the tongue there. It's also a bipartisan bill. 105 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: It's been led the charges being led by two Senators, 106 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: Mark Warner, Democrat from Virginia and John Thune, a Republican 107 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: from South Dakota. This does seem to be well cartoonishly 108 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: broad first, but it also seems to be something that's 109 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: going to bore a lot of people. And I would 110 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: argue maybe by design the same way that campaign finance 111 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: reform is super boring, right because it super matters. The 112 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: restrict Act is targeting a genuine security risk. Like It's 113 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: true the Chinese government, should they wish, can leverage data 114 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: from TikTok, just like you pointed out, Matt, a lot 115 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: of these games. Ultimately, you're there to figure out your habits, 116 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: your location, to learn more about you than you may 117 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: consciously be aware of when you click the old terms 118 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: in agreements. But where does this become dangerous? I mean, 119 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: the idea kind of goes into a vibe check. You 120 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: know that that third thing that tone just named, the 121 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: acting president deems them a threat. The acting president is 122 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: one person out of say what one person out of 123 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: three more than three hundred thirties of million. One person goes, 124 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: I don't like it. I think that Geff is dumb. Well, 125 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: to be fair, it would be an advisor, right, probably 126 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: from some big company black Rock, who comes forward and says, hey, 127 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: we need to get rid of this, and then the 128 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: president eventually hears about it and goes, oh, black Rock, 129 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: yeah sure, whatever it is to say, yeah, alright, sorry, 130 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: sorry I said I almost brought to the strange newstable 131 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: a story about black Rock in San Diego where they 132 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: bought a ton of the affordable housing in twenty twenty 133 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: one and racked up the prices by forty to sixty percent, 134 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: which is illegal. They're only allowed to hike it up 135 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: ten percent a year over year. That's the maximum you 136 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: can hike out the prices anyway, black Rock, black Rock, Yes, 137 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: you know them, you know them. They're buying up neighborhoods 138 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: near you, and that might be true. Actually, check out 139 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: our early investigations on the way investment companies and other 140 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: institutions are leveraging algorithms to see how far they can 141 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: gouge housing prices before breaking society and they are threading 142 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: the needle there and it's not going to get better 143 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: soon forever renters. That's us m Yeah, yeah, and Matt 144 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: did write the tagline for their commercials. Check it out. 145 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: Here's here's the twist though. For a lot of us listening, 146 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: you might be saying, well, I already knew TikTok was sketchy. 147 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: I'll mess around with with that. It's clearly an op 148 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: or has the opportunity to be an op You're sorry, 149 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: it's an op op. It's an opop. But while you 150 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: are correct about that, friends, neighbors, countrymen, let me rears 151 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: why you're correct about that? Uh? It does This restrict 152 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: Act does potentially still apply to you in a very 153 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: dangerous way because as it's written now, it could criminalize 154 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: the use of VPNs across the board. Yeah, because think 155 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: about it, more than one million users, that's a lot 156 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: of VPN companies owned by quote unquote for an adversaries. 157 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: That's kind of in the eye of the beholder. And 158 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: then the acting president does a vibe check and doesn't 159 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: dig it VPN as easily as TikTok. WHOA. So we 160 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: need it, We need an American VPN company. Oh, and 161 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: then it wouldn't work right. What's the one that we 162 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: always talk about, Yeah, express VPNs nor organ Yeah, why 163 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: is this important? Well, VPNs get a bad name sometimes 164 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: in the mainstream because they are associated with sketchy acts online. However, 165 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: like any other technology, it's probably dual use, if not 166 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: multiple use. And we have to remember that VPNs provide 167 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: a mission critical ability, a mission critical access and opportunity 168 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: to people living under the thumb of authoritarian governments, to 169 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: people who are organizing protests, to people who are right 170 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: now fighting, possibly dying in the pursuit of equality and 171 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: human rights. Not everybody at a VPN is just trying 172 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: to get, you know, is trying to get like an 173 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: illegal rip of the lay this Marvel movie or something, 174 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. As a matter of fact, 175 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: I would say the and this is just opinion, love 176 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: to hear disagree here as always keep us honest. I 177 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: would argue that the benefits of VPN as a technology 178 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: outweigh the consequences. What do you guys think? I agree? 179 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: I have a question too, Do you guys think that 180 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: torrenting is up? Now? That like the streaming wars have 181 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: gotten so beyond ridiculous, and no one knows where anything 182 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: is anymore. Like I don't know pirating of media. It's 183 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: been a long time since I've seen any of that, 184 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: so I don't know. Yeah, that's that's a good question. 185 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: I know that Torrentine, as of twenty twenty two is 186 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: still considered a thing, but it wasn't. I think it 187 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: was a function of people just not being able to 188 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 1: find stuff and that yeah, right, it's like, yeah, it's 189 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: sort of like more of a crime of opera not 190 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: operate now a crime of inconvenience, you know. I mean, 191 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: we've basically gotten back to the place where, you know, 192 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: if you add up all of the different ala carte 193 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: streaming services, you may well be paying more than you 194 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: used to pay for cable when that was you know, 195 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: the issue or the heart of the issue. And it's 196 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: kind of you know, at some point, I don't want 197 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: to sound like a curmudgeon or a sour puss, but 198 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: at some point, I, like many other entities, was just saying, 199 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: come on, guys, do you need your own special streaming service? 200 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: I get it, I love one of your shows, but 201 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: do you need you can't you just sell that to 202 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: someone else? Who sells it to me. You know, It's 203 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: just it's strange because you're absolutely rightinal it did that 204 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: balkanization of streaming services did create the problem that was 205 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: originally meant to solve, or it's sort of accelerated or 206 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: reinforce that problem, just put it in a different shape, 207 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: you like, it's just all spread out now. I do 208 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: wonder abt VPNs though, sometimes going back to your question there, Ben, 209 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: because I think I see what you're saying. If a 210 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: VPN wasn't available to anyone who wanted to buy it, 211 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: then you if you were doing some super nefarious thing 212 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: and you knew you had to be online to do it. 213 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm assuming you could create a VPN type situation for yourself. 214 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: You wouldn't need a giant infrastructure to make that happen 215 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: if you were a proper you know, computer criminal, yeah 216 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: or not even you know what I'm saying, like, Yeah, 217 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: I imagine that someone that's trying to do cyber crimes 218 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: aren't using express VPN because you know, they would still 219 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: have to probably turn over your data in the event 220 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: of an investigation, right to show you know, what your 221 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: what your traffic was, and how you had masked it. 222 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: Do they promise complete anonymity or is there an event 223 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,479 Speaker 1: where they could be subpoenaed? They promised to try, okay, 224 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: which is I think a valid promised to make. But 225 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: if something can be built, it can also be broken. Right, 226 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: That's been true ever since the invention of the wheel. 227 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: That sounds weird, but it also yes valid. But we 228 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: also have to see the larger pattern. Right, Legislation again 229 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: is eternally outpaced by technological innovation, and a lot of 230 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: times the people making the laws about this stuff don't 231 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: understand the full ramifications of what they're trying to rule on. 232 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: And we see this pattern that before TikTok, people were 233 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: worried about Kaspersky Lab from Russia or whoai you know 234 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: like this. This is a continuing pattern, and this I 235 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: think is going to be a full episode depending on 236 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: how TikTok plays out. So what I suggest we do 237 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: now is ask you, our fellow conspiracy realist, to give 238 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: us your thoughts on the restrict Act. Do you think 239 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: it's good? Do you think it's overhyped? Do you think 240 00:14:55,280 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: people using VPNs our criminals? Is Pandora's jaw are already open? 241 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: Is this going to be enough to stem the tide. 242 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: We don't know conspiracy. iHeartRadio dot com one eight three 243 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: three std WYTK. We're going to pause for a word 244 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: from our sponsor. We'll be back with more messages from you, 245 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: and we're back. Um, the fellas, did you see the 246 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: TikTok congressional hearing at all with CEO Shao z Chu 247 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: as he was quote unquote grilled by lawmakers the question 248 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: about the Wi Fi? Yeah, man, that's the whil but literally, yeah, 249 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: they asked it. They god forget who it was. But 250 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: it was definitely like a boomer go home kind of 251 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: situation where this lawmaker was like, so, can TikTok access 252 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: your wireless network? The CEO just pauses from me, He's like, yes, 253 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: in order to get online, TikTok needs to access your 254 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: wireless net. Which yeah, it was like, well, if you 255 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: give it access to Wi Fi so it can an 256 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: your wireless network? Yeah? Yeah. Do I have to explain 257 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: smartphones today? Is that today is our country is run 258 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: by people older than your parents. All right, here we go. 259 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: So I'm understanding that they have phones with no wires 260 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: in them? Whatsoell? What is this black magic? And I 261 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: don't know why. I had an image of black rock 262 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: in my head again. I don't know why again, guys, 263 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: But I keep seeing the monolith, the black monolith, you 264 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about, Yes, the ones the monkeys 265 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: are hitting with the Yeah, dude, that's the black rock, 266 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: I think. So, I don't know. It's just a theory, 267 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: all right, Guys. We a long time ago, because we're 268 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: just now catching up on voicemails from like last month. 269 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: We talked about at one point how the Insane Clown 270 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: Posse was being categorized as a gang. Do you remember this, yes, okay, 271 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: by the FBI. Yes. So we got a message from 272 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: Mohawk Mick, who we've heard from before, and he had 273 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: a story to tell us. So here it goes. Hey, guys, 274 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: Mohawk and Mick again. So I figured I might as 275 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: well chime in with my little two cents on the 276 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: Juggalo gang situation. I was in Nashville, Tennessee. I was 277 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: arrested for possession of a single solitary joint. I was 278 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: pulled over for speeding. They found a joint in my 279 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: pocket and I had to go into jail for the weekend. 280 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: I've been arrested many times for possession of marijuana before, 281 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: and I was used to it, thinking no big deal. 282 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: I'd go to court and get on probation at worse 283 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: and let out in the morning or by Monday rather. 284 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: And so I walked into where they have me scheduled 285 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: to within the jail, and it was a new part 286 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: of the jail I'd never seen before. And instantly upon 287 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: being set into a cage with one hundred and fifty 288 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: bunks in it, I had men walking up to me 289 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: asking me what set I was repping now. Because I 290 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: have I'm a street kid a little bit, I knew 291 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: what they meant, and they were asking me what gang 292 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: I belonged to. And I started giggling like, I'm not 293 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: a gang, dude. I just got arrested for a joint. 294 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: It's no big deal. And of course the little jumpy 295 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: kid decided to get in my face talking about yo, bro, 296 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: this is a gang unit, dude, you ain't repping your set. 297 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: You're gonna get knifed in here. So of course I 298 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: walk over to the CEO. I explained to us as sir, 299 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: so this is misunderstanding. I've been misclassified. I do not 300 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: belong in the gang unit. He does a clicky clacky 301 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: on the computer, tells me, tattoo left shoulder. That's where 302 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: I have my hatchetman tattoo. Because I am a Juggalo 303 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: and it's my family, that is my friends. We take 304 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: care of each other on these streets in a way 305 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: that gangs even don't even take care of each other. 306 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: And so I had to turn around and announced to 307 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: the entire pot of one hundred and fifty actual gang bangers, 308 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: and I'm a Juggalo and that's why I'm classified in here, 309 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: and FBI has recently put us on the gang list. 310 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: Then if any of you have a problem with that, 311 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: I'll be on my bunk reading a book. In One 312 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: by one, every one of those gangs sent over someone 313 00:18:58,320 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: to speak with me and tell me that I was 314 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: cool with their set. They had a Juggalo friend, a 315 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: Juggalo cousin or Juggalo in their set and then ended 316 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: up being all right, And I ended up on the 317 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: spade table with a whole bunch of gang bangers. But 318 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: imagine being a maybe someone not quite like me, maybe 319 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: someone a little more suburbia. Just thought you'd outlash at 320 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: your parents and get a hatchet man tattoo because he 321 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: likes the music, and then one day maybe get picked 322 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: up for the most innocuous charge and end up in 323 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: a gang unit. Imagine now that might change your life 324 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: real quick, fascinate in a hurry, Maybe get you associated 325 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: with the wrong types of people of the wrong crowd. 326 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: Kind of looks like could have backfired on the US government. 327 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: But anyway, this is mohawk Mick. You can always use 328 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: my voice, my name. I wear my stuff on my 329 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: shoulder and I don't care who knows what it is. 330 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: Y'all have a great day. I'm out clang. That's fantasic. Oh, 331 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: that's fascinating. I never thought about that side of it, 332 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: the ramifications of what a classification like that means. Yeah, yeah, 333 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: I just uh man, I just wanted to play that. 334 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: It is firsthand experience of the danger of being gang associated, right, 335 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: no matter what group you're in. I thought they declassified 336 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: it though, I thought they pulled it off of the list. 337 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: Is that I don't know, Well, did he say how recently? 338 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: This was? Like, I didn't catch that he's talking about, 339 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 1: you know, back he's a reporting story about a month 340 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: ago or so. But the ICP is currently I mean, 341 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: there's still currently going back and forth with the FBI 342 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: over that designation. To the great point you raise, Mohawk 343 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: McK being put in like a gang unit highly raises 344 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: your chances of what's called recidivism, which means your odds 345 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: of going back into some form of incarceration. And we 346 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: know the justice system, if we're still calling it that 347 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: here in the US, is incredibly flawed and imperfect. Recidivism 348 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: rates here are so high at times that one must 349 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: ask whether it is by design, whether it is a 350 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 1: bug or a feature. And look, you know we I 351 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: think we all read some great reporting on the juggalo 352 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: community at large, which has a lot of N diagrams, 353 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: and the reality is that oftentimes people were totally civilians 354 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: but get popped for something, locked up, they find themselves 355 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: needing to join a set just to ensure their own 356 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: protection or survival in those pretty brutal systems, which then 357 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: complicates life. You know, when you get out right, dude, 358 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I think, I mean I may have said 359 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: this before when I was on the show, but I've 360 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: been to jail one time and it was because I 361 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: had an unpaid or at least my ticket that I 362 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: sent in the money for hadn't shown up as being paid. 363 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: Um speeding ticket. And I was commuting a lot like 364 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: kind of on this like part of between Atlanta and Athens, 365 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: Georgia called three sixteen that goes through some kind of 366 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: you know, real small communities that like don't take payment online, 367 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: And so I had to send it in and I 368 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: got pulled over, I got I got a little fender bender, 369 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: and my license had been suspended. I didn't know it 370 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: even though I had sent in the payment. And I 371 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: went to jail, and like there was this dude in 372 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: the cell that I was in and he'd been in 373 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: there for like four days for failure to pay child support. 374 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: And what happens when you're in jail for four days 375 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: You lose your job and then you can't pay child support. 376 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: So it's like it is this, I mean, even just 377 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: something as simple as that and it's not getting related 378 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: at all, is designed to keep you in the system 379 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: and to just completely hamstring your whole existence. Yeah, guys, 380 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I don't have much sheltse 381 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: for this one. I want to play one more message, 382 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: if that's okay. I just want to say Thank you 383 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: to Mohawk make for sure in your story really enlightening. 384 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: Thank you and h This next message comes to us 385 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: from medic Grandma. That is how That is how she 386 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: labeled herself, not applied. This person is amazing. I talked 387 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: to her on the phone for a little bit. She 388 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: was calling in about the can Anyone Die at Disney 389 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: episode that our friends came in and co hosted or 390 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: hosted guest hosted for us. Yes, it was an awesome, 391 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: awesome job. And this is comments on that episode. Hi, 392 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: this is medic Grandma. I have been a paramedic for 393 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: over thirty years doing nine to one one. Nobody dies 394 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: in MI ambulancy either. I was commenting on their show 395 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: from Disney about Disney and nobody dying there. There's a 396 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: very good explanation for that. Once a paramedic gets unseen, 397 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: they can declare death or not. Once it's a knot 398 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: that death is not declared until you get to the hospital. 399 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: There's no in between it at all. So if I'm 400 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: putting hands on a patient that is in hardiac arrest, 401 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: which these patients would be at Disney, um, we either 402 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: work it or we don't. Once we work it, they're 403 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: not toy dead until they get to the hospital. So 404 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: that would stand for the explanation of nobody dies at Disney, 405 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: because once the paramedics puts hands on, they don't declare 406 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: death once they start that level of treatment. Thanks every day. 407 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: By by yeah, I mean I think so much, medic 408 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: Grandma and Matt. You you spoke with our fellow listener directly. 409 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: Did you glean any additional information? Oh a ton. Oh 410 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: my gosh. Her name is Dianna, and I'm allowed to 411 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: say that I could have talked to her for hours, Guys, 412 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: I think we could have had a really long conversation 413 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: with her. One of the biggest things that she said 414 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: it in the message there once a paramedic arrives, right, 415 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: whether that's MS or EMT right on different there are 416 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 1: different levels of EMT, right. There's kind of a basic 417 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: trained EMT and advanced trained EMT and then a full 418 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: on paramedic, and there's levels of care associated with each 419 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: of those that can be applied if the unconsensual uber arrives. 420 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: Ben I told her that you say that all the 421 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 1: time on the show, and that's sensual. Yeah, But she 422 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: was just talking about the different levels of care that 423 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: are associated when an ambulance shows up to you, and 424 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: that person, if they're a paramedic, can declare someone dead 425 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: on the scene, right, So, and if that occurs, If 426 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: that occurs, then the ambulance is not used as transport, right. 427 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: So the ambulance is only used to transport a patient 428 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: that needs care to a hospital facility. I was going 429 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: to ask if only a doctor I can declare someone dead, 430 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: because that would sort of be like an open and 431 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: shut answer to this question. But you're you're saying that 432 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: a paramedic, someone at a higher level of that kind 433 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 1: of you know, on the spot care can do that. Yes, 434 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: And and Diana was saying that once it's what she 435 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: said in the message. Once that patient enters the ambulance, 436 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: care is provided. So let's say that person goes into 437 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: full cardiac arrest, their heartstops. The paramedic or the EMT, 438 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: whoever's in there, is going to revive that person if possible, right, 439 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the time, like they will just 440 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: they will attempt to revive that person the entirety of 441 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: the time. They will give the depending on the level 442 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: of care, they can administer different drugs that can you've 443 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: seen it in the movies. That can shock someone back 444 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: into at least their heart beating, right. It was just 445 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: fascinating to hear her talk about how much can occur there, 446 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: and there were so many other tangential things we talked about. Guys. 447 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that EMTs and emergency responders, like medical response, 448 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: that is the most assaulted role of any first responder. 449 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: I never would have thought that, never would Also, they're 450 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: also cartoonishly underpaid for being on the front lines. It's 451 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: um and for me, I think the doctor their doctors, 452 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: or they're they're at least medical professionals, right, um my goodness. 453 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,959 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that. Just it's the nature of having 454 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: to put your hands physically on a patient, right to 455 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: provide care to somebody, And depending on if there's a 456 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: mental health crisis going on, or if there's a family 457 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: member of a patient that is angry about whatever situation 458 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: you could get, you could get in a bad situation 459 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: real quick. As a first responder. Occurred to me, No, 460 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: that is fascinating. You guys seen the film Bringing Out 461 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: the Dead. Yes, yes, it's I mean it's very stylized, 462 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: it's very you know, scor sazified, but it is. It is. 463 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 1: I was always very taken by it, you know, you know, 464 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: going from the perspective of, you know, one of these 465 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: professionals now and like all the weird, crazy situations that 466 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: they can find themselves in. Again, it's a it's a 467 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: it's a movie, but it's not always going I mean, 468 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: like it's not always going for realism exactly. But it's interesting. 469 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: I think it's something that you don't really think about, 470 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: just like how there's probably TV series to deal with 471 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: it as well that I'm not thinking of. Those aren't 472 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,959 Speaker 1: really my cup of tea, but I always think of that, 473 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: And now you're saying all these things, it's kind of 474 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: coming to mind. I think it's worth a watch. It's 475 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,479 Speaker 1: a tremendously important position in real life, and it's often ignored. Uh, 476 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: there's a very non fictional, very real need for EMTs, 477 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: need for paramedics, need for life saving first responders. I 478 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: mean right now, if you are in the Atlanta metro area, 479 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: you will see that in that part of the world alone, 480 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: there are almost four hundred different job offers, right That's 481 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: that is a big problem. It's like up there with 482 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: the recognition that teachers still ever get. Well, that's what 483 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: Dan was saying. There's a massive nationwide shortage of paramedics, 484 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: like especially fully trained paramedics, but EMTs in general as well. 485 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: She was just saying, it is an extremely mentally and 486 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: physically taxing profession. And she is a bit of a 487 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: unicorn having worked for thirty years in the field and 488 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: then have evolved, you know, laws and technology and all 489 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: of that that's out And the thing she's a fellow 490 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: at Lantin by the way, And the thing one of 491 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: the things that I pointed out that I had no idea. 492 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: There are private companies that provide the nine one one 493 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: emergency responder care for huge parts of Georgia, huge parts 494 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: of the United States because county services can't handle the 495 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: volume that's required. So there are these private companies. I 496 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: think AMR is the one that handles De Cab County, 497 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: which is here in Atlanta. And it's just interesting. There's 498 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: so much stuff there, guys about how nine one one 499 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: as a service is attempting to be turned into a 500 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: profitable enterprise. Just what we need. Well, let's starve the beast, right. 501 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: What you do is you what you do is you 502 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: cripple public services that taxpayers are paying for, and then 503 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: you use that as a misleading way to say, look, 504 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 1: how bad this service is, it would be better if 505 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: it's privatized. And then you give your buddies and your 506 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: campaign donors some stuff off the top, a little bit 507 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: of a vigorish and then you say, look how good 508 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: this is, and you just don't talk about how rarely 509 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: privatization works. So you could dress it up however you want, 510 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: but that is the order of operations. Yep. Same with 511 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: like dui schools, and then like you know, third party groups, 512 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: the interface with with with you know, local law enforcement, 513 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: and in terms of rehabilitation aka pay to be able 514 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: to return back to normal. It all goes into what 515 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: we were talking about it's a little while ago about 516 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: people getting stuck in the system. It's a lot of 517 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: that is, you know, just a money cycle, a money pit. 518 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: You know, it really is. Tons of problems with healthcare 519 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: in this country. Guys. Hey, yeah, don't get me started. 520 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: There was a time into Cab County when an ambulance ride, 521 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: when it was the county running it used to run 522 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: you three hundred bucks flat fee. It's thousands now I 523 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: think not that way anymore. I mean that's why ask 524 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: yourself why people are in life threatening situations or even 525 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: like in the midst of giving birth to a human being, 526 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: and say, let's call the uber, let's call the lift 527 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: because our insurance company won't know about it and they 528 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: won't tax us. Because your local insurance company is probably 529 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: a for profit entity. You should not have to think 530 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: about those kinds of things. You don't their countries at 531 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: the look. You know, people might say, oh, you're you 532 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: guys are being soapboxy or whatever, but we're speaking factually 533 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: here and thank you to medic ramon things. Also to 534 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: mohawk make there. But like the thing is, I ask 535 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: yourself this, aside from calling an uber in an emergency situation, 536 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: ask yourself what the number one cause of death is 537 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: in the United States. Now, it's packaged. There's a lot 538 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: of things. It's packaged. There's things like heart failure, cardiac arrest, cancer, etc. 539 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: But really, if you look at it, number one cause 540 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: of death is not being able to afford privatize medical care. 541 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: And with that, we're going to hear a word from 542 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: our sponsor and we're back with one more message from you. Yes, 543 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: you and in this case we're talking about you, Old 544 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: Shark Jumper. That's who we're talking to, or we're hearing from, 545 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: with a very very in depth and thoughtful and heartfelt 546 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: email about assisted medically assisted suicide in Canada. So so 547 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: just a little trigger warning here, we are going to 548 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: talk about medically assisted suicide. But also this email mentions 549 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: non medically assisted. So if this is something that does 550 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: triggering for you, or that's something that is uncomfortable, you 551 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: could probably just skip to the credits. But here we go. Firstly, 552 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: they call me old shark Jumper, and you have all 553 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: the permissions required of me. I do live in Canada, 554 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: on an island off the west coast of British Columbia. 555 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: I listened to your assisted suicide comments it felt compelled 556 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,959 Speaker 1: to write. A friend once told me he had terminal cancer, 557 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: then went home and put a shotgun into his mouth. 558 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: Because I'm older, I've had some experience with loved ones dying. 559 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: When my mother passed, we had to tell them to 560 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: unhook the machines that were keeping her heart beating. She 561 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: was already brained in. My first wife passed a few 562 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: years We had been married for almost forty years. At 563 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: the time, she had cancer in her brain that had 564 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: hemorrhaged into her brain. She was in a coma with 565 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,439 Speaker 1: no chance of survival and in pain. You could tell 566 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: because of the way her face would move. The closest 567 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,439 Speaker 1: anyone came to suggesting an early death was a nurse 568 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: who answered our questions about keeping her on fluids. She 569 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 1: responded with the fact that we were prolonging her suffering 570 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: as a family, we stopped her fluids. I was in 571 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: the room when the doctor came to tell my brother 572 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: they were no longer treating his cancer. He was too 573 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: weak to take the massive doses of chemo they would 574 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: kill him, and his doctors that they couldn't do that. 575 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: I know how strong he was at that time and 576 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: all the cancers he had, and they were correct. He 577 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: lived about another week. I have remarried, and my present 578 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: wife's first husband that she divorced, had cancer and made 579 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: the decision to not have treatment. He lasted about three 580 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: months before passing. In all these cases, we were not 581 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,280 Speaker 1: pressured to end anything early, and assisted suicide was not mentioned. 582 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: I do a lady who did use assisted suicide, and 583 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: she was suffering from als and when her quality of 584 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: life got below what she wanted, she requested and was 585 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: given it. At present, I have cancer. Hard to write, 586 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 1: my chances are not great, but in no time has 587 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: assisted suicide been mentioned. I'm going to get treatment and 588 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: fight it. The people and counselors at the clinic have 589 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: been excellent and very supportive of living. I have given 590 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: my family my instructions if I don't make it. In closing, 591 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: I feel I should mention that the CBC is not 592 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: always the Canadian broadcasting company. By way, it's not always 593 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: the best source. As they are government funded and the 594 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: present Liberal government tends to expand their funding. They definitely 595 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,399 Speaker 1: back that party as opposed to a party that wants 596 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: to cut their funding. Hoping to continue hearing your excellent podcasts, 597 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: Old Shark Jumper, thank you, Old Shark Jumper. We're thinking 598 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 1: of no doubt. I mean, what a honest and candid email, 599 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, I mean so many experiences and then you 600 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: know your personal experience as well. Um, this was of course, 601 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: in reaction to our discussion of specifically medically assisted suicide. 602 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: It wasn't it wasn't about Canada though, right We did 603 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: a whole episode just on the concept and and just 604 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, the kind of troubled history of it and 605 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 1: the lack of acceptance and it being very controversial. Correct, 606 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: it was specifically about Canada, was from an earlier listener 607 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 1: Maile s. But we've also done hiptos to a bigger 608 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: picture discussions of this in the past as well. Um, 609 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean, I don't. We also did a 610 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: story though, where, like we we we've heard discussion over 611 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 1: the handling of the conversation around assisted suicide is very important, right, Like, yeah, 612 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: people being pushed towards it or or like you know whatever, 613 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: like literally almost being coerced into it. Right, It wasn't that, Yeah, 614 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: it was that Listener Maile segment where they believe was 615 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: listener mail. We had a fellow conspiracy us write to 616 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,479 Speaker 1: us about the controversy, the claims that there are being 617 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: people who are kind of well, the accusation, the allegations 618 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: that they're being proactively offered the idea of medically assisted 619 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: suicide in a very vulnerable time in their lives. And 620 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: it's quite refreshing to hear Shark Jumper say that in 621 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: their experience this is not the case, the implication almost 622 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: being to free up beds or something, right, like the 623 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: callous implication. I think there was certain intent in that discussion. 624 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: If I'm not you know, it's hard to know what 625 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: people are thinking. But didn't it seem like there were 626 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: some patterns where perhaps it was being suggested prematurely even Yeah, yeah, 627 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: this is from earlier this year, in February. I want 628 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: to say, we received an email from ghost regarding allegations 629 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: of forced medically assisted death. Very very dangerous, very very 630 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 1: controversial stuff. But on the other hand, you know, given 631 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: Shark Jumper's perspective, in these situations, something that should be 632 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: on the table, you know, for individuals to choose in 633 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: conjunction with I guess, with input from their families. I mean, 634 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: it's ultimately it should be up to the person. But 635 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: the idea of this this woman that he was discussing, 636 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: who felt that her quality of life had fallen below 637 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: what she wanted, you know, no one should have to 638 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: take that into their own hands with a with a weapon, 639 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I mean, maybe that's a 640 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 1: controversial thing to say, but it feels like the obvious 641 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: choice to me. Anyway, Maybe I'm missing something. It's a 642 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: it's fraught, I know, well, you know, it's a strange thing. 643 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 1: It feels like you should be able to choose. We 644 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,839 Speaker 1: have agency, right, we have free will. Theoretically, if it's 645 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,839 Speaker 1: technically illegal to kill yourself, like if you fail, can 646 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 1: you like get in trouble. I know that I'm not 647 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: being funny. I'm just it depends on the It depends 648 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: on the country. Suicide it is a crime in some 649 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,800 Speaker 1: parts of the world. And if you look at a 650 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 1: place like Japan, for instance, where some people have taken 651 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: their own lives by jumping in front of a trade 652 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,879 Speaker 1: which also also occurs in other metro areas. Of course 653 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: I want to see gleat Japan. Then what you see 654 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: is in some cases families are fined for the cleanup 655 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: or other damages that might occur, which seems puts cold. Yeah, 656 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: I mean it is putting other people in danger, for sure, 657 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: You're right about that. But as far as whether or 658 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 1: not it is on the books or crime, it depends 659 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 1: on the part of the world that you are in. 660 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: In the US right now, I think it actually goes 661 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: state by state, So in many states, suicide itself the 662 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 1: act is legal. Please, folks, do not confuse that in 663 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,839 Speaker 1: any way with US condoning the practice we very much 664 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: or not not? Just that's just a question that popped 665 00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: into my head. Yeah, I don't know where to go 666 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: with it. I just really think this was just an 667 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:07,359 Speaker 1: opportunity to see, much like with um the Juggalo Store. 668 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: I know it's very, very very different, but to see 669 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,280 Speaker 1: from the inside how these kinds of things really affect people. 670 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 1: You know, it's one thing to to read a story 671 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: about like a law or or you know, something an event, 672 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: but it's another thing entirely to really hear it from 673 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: someone who's who's lived it and sees how it, you know, 674 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: really shakes out in I r L. That's redundant, just 675 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 1: I r L. So I don't I don't know that 676 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: there's really much else to say. Thank you shark Jumper 677 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,839 Speaker 1: for the old shark Jumper for for the really sobering 678 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: perspective and thoughtful email. Um, we we're gonna help end 679 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: the show with something a little different, that's right. Yes, 680 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: we wanted to, Uh, we wanted to share something you 681 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: know in listener mail we've been endeavoring to kind of 682 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 1: close on some up notes. Uh and and you know, 683 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,359 Speaker 1: we opened the door the terrible puns a while back 684 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: right or you know, amazing puns right, it's I would 685 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,720 Speaker 1: be the beholder situation. We got an email from our 686 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: good pal friend of the show, Samurai, and Samurai wanted 687 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,240 Speaker 1: to share with us a poem that he co wrote 688 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: with chat GPT, impersonating Edgar Allan Poe. The prompt he 689 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: gave was explain the stuff they don't want you to 690 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 1: know podcast in the style of Edgar Allan Poe. And 691 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: so GPT wrote a poem, a poem and Edgar Allen 692 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: poem no pun less behind. Yeah, yeah, So we are 693 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: going to um, we are going to amaze ourselves or 694 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: prompt some groans by collectively sharing this poem with our 695 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: fellow listeners on air. Start this way, We'll just switch 696 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,280 Speaker 1: back and forth. Once on a midnight dreary as I pondered, 697 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: weak and weary, over many a curious volume of the 698 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:10,239 Speaker 1: strange and unexplained lore, suddenly there came a tapping, as 699 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: if someone gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door. Okay, 700 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: I don't think chat Gypt made that part. Who could 701 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,800 Speaker 1: it be, I muttered, disturbing me at this late hour. 702 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 1: Is it a friend, a foe or something far more bizarre? 703 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 1: But as I opened wide the door, there, Oh sorry, sorry, 704 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 1: let me go ahead. But as I opened wide the door, 705 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,800 Speaker 1: there stood a trio nothing more, Ben, Noel and Matt, 706 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,319 Speaker 1: the hosts of a podcast. I did a door. The 707 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know? They whispered in 708 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 1: my ear, and thus began, Ben, can you do it 709 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: like real? Asbr whispers creepy, actually whispering in heep, the 710 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 1: whole thing in super Shift? Will do well? Do in 711 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 1: a quiet storm? The stuff they don't want you to know? 712 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: They whispered in my ear, And thus began a journey 713 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: through the mysteries we hold so dear, from secret societies 714 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 1: and cover ups, to the paranormal and the strange. The 715 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: hosts explored the depths of the unknown, seeking answers to arrange. 716 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: But as I listened to their tales, I couldn't help 717 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 1: but feel a chill, for the truth they sought was 718 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 1: often elusive, hidden from us still, and yet they urged 719 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,720 Speaker 1: their listeners to question and to seek, to never settle 720 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: for easy answers, but to explore and to critique. And 721 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,360 Speaker 1: so as I bid the hosts adieu and closed my 722 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: chamber door, I knew I'd come back to the stuff 723 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know for more. Thank you, 724 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 1: Thank you so much Samurai, Thank you shage Pt, which 725 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: I didn't think we would say today. Thank you to 726 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 1: Mohawk Mike, thank you so much to medic Grandma, thank 727 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: you to Old Shark Jumper, and of course thank you 728 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: to Tone. Do you want to be a part of 729 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 1: our show, folks, We would love to have you on 730 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 1: a weekly listener mail segment. All you have to do 731 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: is open the door, and there are many doors to open. Yeah, 732 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,239 Speaker 1: one of them or several of them exist on the 733 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 1: Internet in the form of social media where we are 734 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,760 Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff at YouTube, Facebook, or we have our Facebook 735 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 1: group Here's where it gets crazy, and also Twitter, conspiracy 736 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: stuff show on Instagram and TikTok. If you like to 737 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: use your phone, call one eight three three std wyt K. 738 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 1: It's a voicemail system. You've got three minutes. Give yourself 739 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 1: a cool moniker. 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