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Speaker 1: Happy Halloween, Casey. How's it going?

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Speaker 2: Happy Halloween? Millie? How's it going so far this month?

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Speaker 2: This Halloween month for you?

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Speaker 1: Pretty good. I've got a lot of things going on

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Speaker 1: weird year. I'm trying to get into the spooky season,

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Speaker 1: for sure. I'm like watching some horror movies. I've been

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Speaker 1: doing like events with friends of mine, but I'm also

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Speaker 2: So it takes work, yeah, to really get into the

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Speaker 2: spooky season and a lot of that. You know, you

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Speaker 2: just if you have real things going on, you can't

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Speaker 2: really dive into that zone, you know. Well, Millie, do

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Speaker 2: you have any costume ideas for Halloween this year? Are

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Speaker 2: you dressing up as anything? Oh? Gosh, I don't know, dude.

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Speaker 1: It just feels like every year I forget all of

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Speaker 1: the ideas is that i'd had.

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Speaker 2: This is the other thing. You got to come up

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Speaker 2: with your costume idea in like May, Yeah, to properly

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Speaker 1: The past, and then I've completely forgotten that I bought

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Speaker 2: I was gonna show you this. Yeah, So like I

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Speaker 2: guess it was a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: I was like, wouldn't it be funny if I dressed

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Speaker 1: like Nancy the cartoon Nancy?

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Speaker 2: Nancy? You know who Nancy is? Yes, I know Nancy.

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Speaker 1: She's got like short, black, little curly hair, and she

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Speaker 2: Funny who's her pal that she's like slug o slug o. Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 2: I know Nancy.

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Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, I always thought I

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I'm going to go through

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Speaker 1: And I collected all of these little garments and then

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Speaker 2: And this costume.

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Speaker 1: Was in parts in my closet for like three years,

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Speaker 1: and then eventually I decided, you know what, I'm actually

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Speaker 1: But then I was like, I'm just going to put

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Speaker 1: so this was my little Nancy outfit.

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Speaker 2: Whoah, it looks good. I would have been able to

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Speaker 2: recognize that immediately. Yeah right.

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Speaker 1: Nobody said shit to me, unfortunately, but.

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Speaker 2: You did a lap and left. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wow, was because I was like, I'm not catching any vibes.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's really like, yeah, it's Nancy. I think people were just.

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Speaker 2: Like there was no slugo there for you. I know

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Speaker 2: that's for shame. Is Nancy actually old timey or is

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Speaker 1: No, I think Nancy's been around since the twenties or something.

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Speaker 2: Wow like that. The twenties were in the old the

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Speaker 1: The nineteen twenties, I forgot, not the twenty twenties, the

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Speaker 1: nineteen twenties. But I feel like now, like you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it feels really modern. Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 1: But I always liked Nancy because she was kind of

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Speaker 2: And we don't have and so you have nothing for

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Speaker 2: Oh, my mom should be Dipsy. My mom emailed our

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Speaker 2: know bad Son, Uh, but you know, Halloween costumes, this

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Speaker 1: I had a lot of great costumes in my twenties,

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Speaker 2: To be honest, what were some of the highlights.

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Speaker 1: One year I was Slash from Guns and Roses. That

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Speaker 1: My most popular, though, was I was Gallagher for Halloween

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Speaker 2: That Wow, what an incredible costume. I like almost want

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Speaker 1: It was fun of shit, and I bought like mangoes

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Speaker 1: But I definitely smashed like melons, and.

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Speaker 2: And then people were just like, yo, smash this or

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Speaker 2: what hurt me? Like a full beer. I'd be like, oh, sure,

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Speaker 1: It was really kind of a magical time of my life.

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Speaker 2: I wish I had, Like I don't have a good

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Speaker 1: And then for a long time as a as a kid,

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Speaker 2: Ago, Millie. That is blowing my mind right now. I

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Speaker 1: If only we known each other, we could have gone together.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I know that candy is typically not given

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe we can go with my daughter, or maybe

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Speaker 2: we could go separately. Yes, we gotta go with your kid.

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Speaker 2: plans next year. Great, that's fabulous. Let's do it. Well, Millie,

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Speaker 2: we got a big episode today. We are talking about

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Speaker 2: a movie that I really like. I would say I

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Speaker 2: love it, Hell Raiser from nineteen eighty seven.

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Speaker 1: I feel like this episode's gonna get a little naughty, naughty,

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Speaker 3: Very exciting.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be great, So stay tuned. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: Dear Movies.

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Speaker 2: Check the books.

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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, you are listening to Dear Movies, I Love you.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast for those who are in a

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Speaker 1: relationship with movies. Sometimes that relationship, you know, might be

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Speaker 1: a little uh sato masochistic. If you will maybe light

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Speaker 1: bondage some role play.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. Yes, Yes, that's this. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: exactly what this podcast is. Uh, it's all about that's right.

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Speaker 1: My name is Millie to Cherco aka Chile to Jericho.

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Speaker 2: My name is Casey O'Brien ak a Casi o Brains.

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Speaker 2: For this month, we're.

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Speaker 1: Very close to Halloween. We've already talked about our Halloween

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Speaker 1: and this week is Hell Raiser, which I haven't seen

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Speaker 2: Don't remember anything about it.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I you know, do you feel any pressure

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Speaker 1: Well, of course, because there's so much going on. One

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Speaker 1: this movie again because we've talked about it. I rewatched

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Speaker 1: Derfan nineteen eighty two. Whoo what it's great.

435
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Speaker 2: It's about It's about a teenage girl who's obsessed with

436
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: the lead singer of this like new wave German new

437
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 2: wave band. And the music's good too. I thought, I

438
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: was like, I like the vibe.

439
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, music is fantastic. Momdo Macabro that they're the

440
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: ones that put out the Blu ray? Because you know,

441
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: this was pretty hard to watch for a very long time.

442
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,719
Speaker 1: I think I had like a bootleg copy of it.

443
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: There was a couple of interviews that they did with

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Speaker 1: the director, and he's a really interesting person, like he's

445
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: like kind of this punk rock he comes from, like

446
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: punk rock Eckhart Schmidt is his name, and you know,

447
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: there was he tells the story about you know, just

448
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 1: sort of the production, and then there was also kind

449
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: of drama between him and Desiree nose Bush, who played

450
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, the teen girl in the film. Yeah, but god,

451
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 1: god damn, it is so good. Like it is so

452
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: good and it's really like I mean talk about pacing.

453
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: It is like a ya galacially paced.

454
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: It is. It's so slow, sparse, but then you have

455
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: got this like like throbbing electro music and it's like

456
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 2: very German.

457
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: It's very like you know, electro early electronic music.

458
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: It's so good. I love it. I love the music

459
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 2: performances on like they have like the what is it

460
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: the top of the pop style show that the like

461
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: band is playing on, and those performances are really funny

462
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: and good.

463
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like imagine if like a teenage

464
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: girl was obsessed with Gary Newman or something.

465
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: I just kept imagining that. But like here in my car,

466
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 2: it's very Gary Newman. Yes, he looks like.

467
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: He is either It's like it's like the guy that

468
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: is the R is his name, his mysterious R. He's

469
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: kind of like Gary Newman meets a guy from Craftwork

470
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: meets you know, like a guy from OMD or something.

471
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: It's like very very cool. And I had seen like

472
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: a lot of it. I hadn't seen the whole thing,

473
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: but the parts that I remember were the important parts,

474
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: and when they hit I was like, fuck, yeah, that

475
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: is insane.

476
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: Like I was like, that's insane.

477
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 3: And so good, so yeah, I love that.

478
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: And then the last one I'll mention again, probably a

479
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: lot different from any of the movies I just mentioned,

480
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: but insane in its own way, is that I rewatched

481
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 1: All That Jazz from nineteen seventy nine, and uh.

482
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Speaker 2: In some ways a horror movie about aging. I think

483
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: it is sure. There's boobs in it too. Hell, I mean,

484
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: here we go. How did it make you want to

485
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 2: smoke eight hundred cigarettes?

486
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: Oh?

487
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: My god? I mean I can't. You could smell Roy Scheider.

488
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 2: You could smell his leathery skin in this movie.

489
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Speaker 1: I mean, I say this on I saw what you did.

490
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: But I was basically like, you know, he's our great.

491
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: I think he's the finest actor cigarette smoking actor that

492
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: we've ever had in Hollywood because he manages to be

493
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: able to speak completely perfectly with a cigarette in his mouth.

494
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: He's not doing the thing where.

495
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: It's like doest where he's like holding down, you know,

496
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: he can enunciate perfectly with a cigarette dangling out of

497
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: his mouth.

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00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, so great movie. What a movie, What a fantastic

499
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: fabulous Let's close up that diary. Who all right, Milly, ooh,

500
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Speaker 2: we're getting into our main topic today, which is hell

501
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: Raiser from nineteen eighty seven, directed by Clive Barker, written

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Speaker 2: by Clive Barker, based off his book The hell Bound Heart.

503
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: And just to do a little you know, cataloging, I

504
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: suppose this is a horror movie. The themes BDSM demons,

505
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: insert I'm a demon quote here, I'm a demon, I'm

506
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: a demon, Satanism, evil step moms. I would say, is

507
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: a theme. Yeah, some of the standout actors. Now, I

508
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: put deug Bradley as Pinhead because it was the first

509
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: time he played Pinhead. And then I also put Ashley

510
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: Lawrence as Kirsty, which Milly wrote, law really well, I

511
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: just think she's good. I think she's a good final

512
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: girl in this all right. Famous quotes from this movie

513
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: will tell your soul about I can't really think of

514
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: any other famous quotes for that come from this movie,

515
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: can you? Actually?

516
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: I would say, come to Daddy.

517
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: Come to daddy. Yes, uh that is yeah. Milly sent

518
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:02,479
Speaker 2: me a picture of a bloodied Frank from this movie,

519
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: a skinless Frank saying come to Daddy, and it was

520
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: sort of scary to Sayah personal connections to Millian Casey. Now,

521
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,719
Speaker 2: I guess my personal connection to this movie is that

522
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: it's an absolute VHS classic. The cover scared me so

523
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: much as a kid. I was like really intrigued and

524
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: horrified by this movie. It just felt so adult and

525
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: like foreign and frightening to me. And I feel like

526
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: I was scared to see it. I didn't see it

527
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: until I was thirty one years old. That's how frightened

528
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: I was of it. I had to be in my thirties.

529
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: I had to be married to protect myself from this movie.

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00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: So that's But now I'm like a huge Clive Barker fan.

531
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: I just purchased his Books of Blood Volumes one through

532
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: three and I can't wait to read them. But I

533
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: love Clive Barker now, and so that's my only personal

534
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: connection to it. Really, Mellly, what about you?

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Speaker 1: I mean, okay, straight up, I remember in high school,

536
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: like or when I was high school age, teenaged, it

537
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: seemed like the only people that liked Teleraiser were like

538
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: goth industrial kids.

539
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, what I'm saying, and I feel like

540
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: it was a signifier of a real like punk rock

541
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: or not even punk, but like a person who like

542
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: was cool and intense.

543
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: And yes, it was like the archetype was somebody who

544
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: was into gothic or industrial music. You know, maybe a

545
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: little light fetish where like you know, leather pants or

546
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: like a little boostias or like you know, would wear

547
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: like definitely like boots and like leather, you know, dabbled

548
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: in that world of like fantasy, the Renaissance Festival, sci fi,

549
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: like the whole like that whole universe. And there was

550
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: a store that it still exists in downtown Atlanta called

551
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: junk Man's Daughter, and it was like if you were

552
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: an alternative kid in the nineties, this was like where

553
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: you got all your shit. They sold Doc Martin because

554
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: they sold all all kinds of like horror movie and

555
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: rock and roll t shirts, posters, you could get like

556
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, like you could get like

557
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, weird tapestries for your bedroom and incense. It

558
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: was kind of a catch all for alternative culture.

559
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: And it's still They sell like boxes that would open

560
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: a portal to hell at this at Junkman's daughter.

561
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure, because they would sell like you know anything,

562
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: a cult which stuff, you know, terrots like all of

563
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: this stuff. I mean, it was kind of like again

564
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: just like for people who were not normal, you know

565
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, dude. And I was fascinated by the

566
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: kids that were into hell Raiser because they junk We

567
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: had his daughters like front and center. They had had

568
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: the hell Raiser T shirts with Pinhead on them, and

569
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: straight up Pinhead terrified me like I was. And I

570
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: remember seeing this movie in middle school again, didn't remember

571
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: shit about it, And now part of me wonders if

572
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: I had actually seen one of the sequels instead of

573
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Speaker 1: the original, because I kind of barely remembered the plot.

574
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: But I did remember Pinhead, and I remember the other

575
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: his little gang, let's just say, and the Centbytes, the Centabites, right,

576
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: And I remember being terrified of him particularly and I

577
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: couldn't understand why he had pins in his head and

578
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: he was just was like, had that deep British voice.

579
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: Just demon, I'm a demon, yeah, scary. I feel like

580
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: like I think at the college radio station where I

581
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: went to college, there was like a Pinhead sticker and

582
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh cool, Like it was just

583
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: like kind of a signific signified, like we don't give

584
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: a book. Uh.

585
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: There's a difference, though, I will say, because you know,

586
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: of course, now Pinhead is one of the kind of

587
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: classic figures of horror, like Freddy Krueger and Jason and

588
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 1: Michael Myers.

589
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: And you know, people like that.

590
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: But I feel like Pinhead is sort of an off

591
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: ramp from those guys. He's a little bit more Clive Barkery.

592
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he's kind of a little bit more because

593
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: that's the thing that I think I really remember about

594
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: kids that liked hell Raisers, that they were really into

595
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: Clive Barker. They were into like gothic ye, you know,

596
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: fetishy BDSMI type of stuff. And I feel like, you know,

597
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: Clive Barker has talked about how he's been in those

598
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: communities over the years, so it all kind of melded together.

599
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: I guess, I would say, like, you know, versus like

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00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: somebody who was an adjacent voorhees, maybe not as in

601
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: and not as kinky perhaps, who knows, but you know

602
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,280
Speaker 1: what I mean, like comparatively speaking.

603
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, let's get into the plot a little bit

604
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 2: of this movie, so people know what the frick is

605
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: going on. Frank. We start with Frank. Frank's a freak.

606
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: He's a little freak. He can never get enough pleasure.

607
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 2: He's a hedonist, and so he seeks out this puzzle

608
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: box in Morocco, and once it's opened, it unleashes a

609
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: new dimension of carnal pleasures unlike anything available on Earth.

610
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 2: But when he does it, what it does is it

611
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: unleashes a gang of leather clad demons. I'm a demon

612
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: named the Cenobites. Their leader is Pinhead, played by Doug Bradley.

613
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 2: And as soon as he opens his box, Frank's flesh

614
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: gets ripped from his body by hooks and he is

615
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: subjected to in like a hellish world of pleasure and

616
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: pain unimaginable to humans. So that kind of is the beginning.

617
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: That's that's sort of the world we're entering into. Now.

618
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 2: I knew Frank was bad, a bad dude because his

619
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: fingernails were dirty as hell. Did you notice that, I

620
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: guess I did.

621
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, I guess he is a hell

622
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: razor because he's out there like living live in real

623
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: dirty like. So at the beginning of the film, it's

624
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: he's sort of you kind of see his living conditions,

625
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: which is that he sleeps on a mattress on the floor.

626
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: He's got a suitcase that I guess he's using as

627
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: like a nightstand that has like, you know, pictures of

628
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: like naked ladies.

629
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 2: Yes, can I be really just a sidebar?

630
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: Were you a guy, a teenage boy that had like

631
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: posters of hot ladies.

632
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 2: On his wall? Millie? Do you think I was? Do

633
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 2: you think I had like I can't even think of

634
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: the stereotypical ones like like Pamela Anderson or like you know,

635
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: like yeah, like yas mean Bleeth, like anybody from Baywatch,

636
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: or like I didn't have Carmen Electra up on my wall,

637
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: or even.

638
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: Like what's the classic poster Farah Fawcet or something.

639
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: Like that where there's like the pink Floyd covers with

640
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: the women's butts, or even just.

641
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: Simply generic eighties hot ladies like lying on Ferraris and

642
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: stuff like can you imagine that?

643
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 3: Millie?

644
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: Get real here? You know me? Okay, you think I

645
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: didn't have a Garden State poster on my wall? Because

646
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 2: I did. I just like.

647
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: I cannot believe the idea that like boys that I

648
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: like went to middle school at high school with Wherever

649
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: guys that would have like you know, David Lee Wroth

650
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: looking model chicks, yeah, and high high waist bikini briefs

651
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: like just lying on cars or like you know, I mean,

652
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: it's just like they used to make posters like this

653
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: and sell them at Spencer's Gifts.

654
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: You could buy them, oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean

655
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: I went Spencer's Gifts was like my centebite realm. That's

656
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: where I like, I would go in there and like

657
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: look around and look at the devious pleasures of oh course,

658
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: I don't know. Oh yeah.

659
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: You could get like a postcard to send to your

660
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: friend at camp that was like a naked ninety year

661
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: old woman with her tits hang into her stomach. You'd

662
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: be like, miss you or whatever. It was just always

663
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: like sex humor.

664
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 2: And just a bunch of like shit humor. There's a

665
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: lot of South Park stuff you could buy there.

666
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: A lot of horny horny things, horny gifts. H And

667
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: that's the thing that I was like noticing about Frank

668
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: in the way that he lived was just like, yo,

669
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: he's gross, and he's got maggots covering literally everything and

670
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: he's got naked ladies on the inside of a suitcase

671
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: to look at when he sleeps.

672
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: But you know, like, obviously Frank is a deviant, but

673
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: I also was like Frank is interesting. He seems very cultured.

674
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: He feels very worldly. You think he's very worldly. He

675
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: goes to Morocco to buy this fuck puzzle box. Yes,

676
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 2: you know, because normal sex, you know, on this plane

677
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 2: of existence is just so vanilla that he needs to

678
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: level up. He needs to go to an alternate dimension.

679
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: Oh, he's a classic sex tourist. Let's get serious. He

680
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: would you know, like, first of all, like looks wise,

681
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: he's very intimidating. He kind of looks like if Eli

682
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: Roth and Bobby Connivale had a baby. Like he's got

683
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: like dark features, and he's been and tall, and he's

684
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: a motherfucker. He's like tattoos, he carries around a switchblade.

685
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: He's like at one point at the beginning of the film,

686
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: it's revealed that, yeah, he's had a lot of you know,

687
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: interesting sex in his life.

688
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: There's like pictures of.

689
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: Him like with behind ladies with like ball gags in

690
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: their mouths and things. He's he's a wild man. He's

691
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: a he's a sex tourist, though, which is why he

692
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: goes to Morocco to buy this. It's almost like the

693
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: concept of the movie really is the idea that here's

694
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: a guy that's had so much kinky sex in his

695
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: life that he's like, I gotta level up.

696
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: Time to go to Morocco.

697
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: Morocco is Morocco is the land of hedonistic pleasures, and

698
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: I will go and buy some weird relic from another

699
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: time and hopefully that'll just help me be.

700
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: Like find work clean the pipes, like have even weirder sex.

701
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 2: I don't know. It was kind of a question. Well,

702
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: that's the thing I wanted to ask, is like did

703
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: the box work in the way that he wanted it to?

704
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: Because his like flesh and soul are torn apart and

705
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: pleasure and pain come into one being. But it seems

706
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 2: like it worked the way it Actually he actually accomplished

707
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: what he wanted, even though he's in some like hellish dimension,

708
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 2: you know, But.

709
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: Was that Okay? I guess maybe I don't know enough

710
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: about the story. Did he know that when he bought

711
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: the box?

712
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, he goes. I knew I was either

713
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: calling upon angels or demon hell or heaven, and I

714
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: didn't care which came because he just needed He had

715
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: this desire for some type of pleasure beyond our earthly realm,

716
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, so he was trying to have an idea.

717
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: He was trying to get juiced. Yeah, I gets trying

718
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: to get juiced.

719
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: He didn't care. He just wanted to He needed to

720
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: know the other side. So I do feel like it

721
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: did work in the way that he sort of won

722
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: cut to.

723
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: So he was kind of game for whatever was going

724
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: to happen, whether or not he was going to have

725
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: the greatest orgasm of his life or he was going

726
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: to have his flesh ripped apart.

727
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: He didn't care. In retrospect, I think he would say

728
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: it was a regret, but but I do think he

729
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: knew kind of what was coming. So uh, Okay, moving

730
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: on to the so we know about Frank. We got Frank. Okay,

731
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: So now we meet Larry played by Andrew Robinson, who

732
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: you may know is Garrick from Deep Space nine star

733
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: Trek fans out there. He's Frank's dorky ass brother, and

734
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 2: he moves into their childhood home where Frank was living

735
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 2: and is disgusting and totally like nasty. All the stuff

736
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: that Frank left behind is nasty, so Larry moves in

737
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 2: there with his second wife, Julie played by Claire Higgins,

738
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: and Julia seems to hate Larry and Larry's oblivious to this,

739
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 2: but Larry assumes Frank, his brother, is either off looking

740
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: for pleasure somewhere in the world, or is in jail

741
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 2: or maybe Dad. He doesn't really know, but he's not there.

742
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: And this is also where we meet Kirsty played by

743
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 2: Ashley Lawrence, the girl that Millie hates and I think

744
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: did a really good job in this movie, please, and

745
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 2: she's also there. It's sort of hard to tell where

746
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 2: they're telling you this movie takes place, which maybe we'll

747
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 2: get into later, but it's England essentially, So they've all

748
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: moved to England, and she's gotten a job there too,

749
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: and her own apartment. She's not living at the house

750
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: with them. She hates Julia, her stepmom, and we learned

751
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: Julia is actually obsessed with Frank and was lovers with

752
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: Frank and I don't know why they split up, but

753
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 2: she's upset with Frank and she finds a picture of

754
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: him in the house and wants him back, and doesn't

755
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 2: like Larry, But we don't know where Frank is at

756
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: this time. I mean we kind of do. But yeah,

757
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 2: now this house is nasty.

758
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: I Okay, maybe it's because I'm in the process of

759
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: buying a house for the first time. I'm like, there's

760
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: just so many things wrong with this little transaction, because

761
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: like it's apparently a house that belonged to the family into.

762
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I think it was our childhood home.

763
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: The childhood home of Frank and handle Larry and Larry

764
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: and you know, again, Frank's been kind of squatting in

765
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: it weirdly for many years. And then they just kind

766
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: of show up and they're like, yeah, it's our house.

767
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: What do you think.

768
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just move in on Sunday. And they don't

769
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: know if they They're like Frank might be there, Like

770
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: they don't. They're like, oh, he was here. They didn't

771
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: even know.

772
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean they already made the decision to

773
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: move and they hadn't even gone up the stairs all

774
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 1: the way, uh, because there's definitely a room up there

775
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: that it was not passing any kind of inspection or appraisal.

776
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 1: Like it's disgusting. I mean, it feels like it had

777
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: been firebombed and not cleaned up. And that's the other

778
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: thing too, is that, like the house is disgusting. They

779
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: did not do a deep clean when they moved in.

780
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: They're already trying to bring a mattress up the stairs

781
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: and there's fucking nails coming out of the wall.

782
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, come on, guys, maybe feels are different in England.

783
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

784
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: I don't know.

785
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: I would just say if I'm going to move into

786
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: a house with someone and it's like, oh, it's our

787
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: old house, We're not going to clean it before we

788
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: move in. We're actually not even going to look through it.

789
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

790
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: And we also we also learn that Julia, like you said,

791
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: is obsessed with Frank and they have these flashbacks to

792
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 2: when they first met and first fucked, which actually happened

793
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: within ten minutes of each other. Because in this flashback,

794
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: she like meets the brother of her husband for the

795
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: first time and he seduces her immediately and he's like,

796
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: he's basically like, would you do anything for me? And

797
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: she's like, yes, I would do anything for you. And

798
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: I mean, he's got that mojo.

799
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: I actually love this for Julia, to be honest, because okay, honestly,

800
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 1: like Larry is a fucking nerd.

801
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: Like he's a nerd, He's a fucking door.

802
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: He's like, I mean, speaking of the stepfather, dare I

803
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: say he's dork here than Terry O'Quinn and the stepfather

804
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: like he's just kind.

805
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: Of but he but terryo quinn the stepfather was like,

806
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: you know, deviously dorky. That was like a kind of

807
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 2: a facade he put on. But Larry is truly dorky.

808
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 2: He would have had a Garden State poster in his

809
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: high school bedroom. Probably he would have ran in the

810
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: same circles.

811
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: Come on, listen and I and I know if I

812
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: know a middle aged woman, I mean, you got like

813
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: some hot dude standing on your doorstep.

814
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 2: That's like, what's up?

815
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: You can invite me in in the rain. In the rain,

816
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: he's got like a five o'clock shadow. When he shows up,

817
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: he's a real domb and you're like, fuck okay, and

818
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: like it's funny because they like fuck on her wedding dress,

819
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: which I think is so hilarious. Yes, and she's she's

820
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: immediately turned up by him. I mean basically he like

821
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: takes a knife and cuts her rash Strap and I'm like,

822
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: sadly that would work on me though, I mean, that's

823
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: the thingk God, but you don't know, you don't know

824
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: a woman in her forties, Casey, please.

825
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: I guess I'm worried that. I'm worried that some Frank

826
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: is going to come to my door and take Trisha away.

827
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: I'm not saying shit, I'm not saying a goddamn thing,

828
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, you just might need to go

829
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: and you know, look up BDSM on Wikipedia. Maybe it

830
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: can help you, yeah, in your situation.

831
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: Back to BDSM, I said, I am no expert in this,

832
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 2: but this is a world that is very much explored

833
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: in this movie. And I think, you know, I am

834
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 2: tantalized by it. I'm intrigued by it because it does

835
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 2: seem so off limits and kind of scary. And so

836
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: maybe that's what that's my attraction to this movie as well,

837
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: in that it's like a tantalizing world that I'm not

838
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: familiar with.

839
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: I mean, case, let's put it, let's let's put the

840
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: facts down, shall we grew up Catholic. That's a huge

841
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: that opens a portal to this world just by nature.

842
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm just throwing that out there.

843
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: You also are a huge fan of like David Cronenberg

844
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: and like all these like David Lynch, all these like

845
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,479
Speaker 1: fucked up dudes. I'm like, come on, it's not gonna

846
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: take for the road is very short to this salacious environment.

847
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: And when it comes down to it, I don't listen.

848
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: I'm not.

849
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: There is no way in hell I'm going to prepert

850
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 1: that I know find details about this world. I won't

851
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: tell you about it about my personal life, but I

852
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: will say that it is a catch all. I mean honestly,

853
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: like at this point, BDS, I'm the term itself, which

854
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: of course you know what it stands for. But it's like,

855
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of a catch all for just

856
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: like I would say, kind of non normative erotic interests, Yeah,

857
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: which can be anywhere from having your balls tied up

858
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: to thinking that you might want to get squished by

859
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: a fifty foot woman in your dreams and that might

860
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: be a fantasy. Like it's just wide ranging things like

861
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: it's I feel like and there's a.

862
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 2: Lot of branches on the tree.

863
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: And that's what I do think about the world of

864
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: Clive Barker is that it does feel like it sits

865
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: in that world.

866
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: I mean, even candy Man.

867
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: There's moments of candy Man where I feel like that

868
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: it kind of goes into that realm, I mean bare minimum.

869
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: His shit is kind of sexy, yeah.

870
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: And not but not like.

871
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 1: Kind of sexy horror dangerous.

872
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: Does that make sense and not like totally And you

873
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: know you brought up David Cronenberg because there's a lot

874
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: of that in his stuff too. I'm thinking of like

875
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: the movie Crash, you know, willingly being a victim of

876
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: a car crash. And in candy Man, which is written

877
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: by Clive Barker, you know, the candy Man is always

878
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: like be my victim. And I don't remember the name

879
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: of the main character in candy Man, but she is

880
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: very tantalized and it's like tempted to be his victim,

881
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: it seems in that movie. So there is sort of

882
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: this play of you know, doms and subs and willingly

883
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 2: being sub you know, subjected to torture and being the

884
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: victim willingly you know.

885
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: Because like Frank is like I mean, he is a

886
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: he is a master of the masters, right. He's very aggressive,

887
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: very you know, like very much like giving off that

888
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: extreme masculine dominating.

889
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: Energy, and she's just just kind of like.

890
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm down. My husban is so vanilla and boring

891
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: that I'm kind of into this. And then she immediately

892
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: becomes I mean.

893
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 2: She is okie doked by this guy.

894
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: Like she's basically like, oh yeah, I'll keep waked. I'll

895
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: do anything for you and include it, which includes like

896
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: this craziness that the unfolds as the movie goes on.

897
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: But it's it starts very quickly to your original point, It.

898
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: Starts very He is the key. I mean, he really

899
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: unlocks her immediately. And I'll get into actually, i'll get

900
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 2: into this next part of the movie. So while they're moving,

901
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: Milly referred to this already, but there's like a a

902
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: nail that's stuck out from the wall and Larry really

903
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 2: cuts his hand and it is goopy and gloppy blood

904
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 2: and it is all over the place and it's gross.

905
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 2: But he drops some in that nasty firebombed room that

906
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 2: Milly referred to, which is like this disgusting, dirty room

907
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: that they never clean up and it's just empty up there.

908
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: And that was like Frank's little pleasure room. That's where

909
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: like the cenobytes came and tore him apart in but

910
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 2: Larry's blood mixes with like some remnants of Frank's body

911
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: that we're in there, and that brings Frank back from

912
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: like this hell dimension and he comes back as this

913
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 2: like goopy skeleton, fleshy blob kind of guy. He's not

914
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 2: even like fully back. But Julia finds him and he's like,

915
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: you need to kill You need to bring back people

916
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 2: to this place so you can kill them and I

917
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: will drink their blood and that will heal me and

918
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 2: bring me back to this earthly realm because I've escaped

919
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: the cenobytes and you need to help me. And she

920
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: does willingly, and she starts seducing men and bringing them

921
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 2: back to her house, killing them and feeding them to Frank.

922
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: So this is the part of the Babe that gets

923
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: a little sort of the details get a little confusing

924
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: because I'm like, he's basically like I'm this pile of

925
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: goo that starts forming back into a skeletal, muscular human shape.

926
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: The more blood I come in contact with, it feels

927
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: very like and it's like the blood feels like it

928
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: kind of starts like getting absorbed. It sort of reminds

929
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: me a little bit of the like terminator to liquid

930
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: cop thing or the droplets just kind of come together.

931
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, I guess I don't understand how it works.

932
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: And then it's real. It's real, Gray, It's just kind

933
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 1: of like blood. There was blood dropped in the room

934
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: where Frank was destroyed by the sento bites, and that

935
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: brought him back, but it's not really explained why that happened.

936
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: Frank I just kept thinking the entire time of Janel

937
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,479
Speaker 1: Day Lewis and there'll be blood where he's like.

938
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: Give me the blood, give me the blood, Lord, give

939
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: me the blood Lord, give me the blood.

940
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: That's what Frank is basically telling Julia give me the

941
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: blood so he can and he's like, don't look at me,

942
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: don't look at me, don't look at me.

943
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 2: I was like, too late, guy, Like well, it's just funny.

944
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: It's like you're not really in a position to be

945
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 2: making a lot of demands.

946
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 3: Goofy.

947
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 2: I mean, it is surprising that she but he's got

948
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 2: that hold on her, you know.

949
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: Would you say, I mean, speaking of gooby god, this

950
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: movie is ooey gooey dude.

951
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is, like it's like nasty. I tried

952
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: to eat lunch. While I was watching it, I was

953
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: eating a turkey sandwich and I had to pause the

954
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 2: movie because I was so grossed out.

955
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a tool video. It's very like it's

956
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: like maggoty rat infested pieces of like flesh hanging on hooks.

957
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: But then there's blood, there's puss, there's shit, there's every

958
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like, why is this gotta be so oopy

959
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: goopy gross?

960
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

961
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, doesn't she like doesn't she like put Frank's like fleshy,

962
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: bloody fingers in her mouth while they're like like he's

963
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 2: not even fully back yet, and he's.

964
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 3: Like, let me touch you, and it's like, oh, you.

965
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: Know, he like traces her lips with his like nasty.

966
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's like his skin hasn't formed yet, so

967
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 1: he's still got like, you know, tendons exposed and shit,

968
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: and you're like, eh, pussy lived dirty.

969
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 2: To begin with, I know, So I know. Yeah, it

970
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: is funny when he's like putting on dress shirts and

971
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 2: they're just completely soaked with blood. It's like, where are you?

972
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 3: Why are you getting dressed?

973
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 2: Uh? Something that needs to be sort of understood in

974
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: this movie too, is that Julia the played by Claire Higgins,

975
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 2: is like in the world of this movie, and she's

976
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: a beautiful woman, but she's like the hottest woman of

977
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: all time, like every man who sees her as like

978
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 2: like the movers, and she like so easily seduces men

979
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 2: and brings them to this strange house. I mean, maybe

980
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: it just goes to show what like dogs men are

981
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 2: that they'll just like follow a woman into the most

982
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 2: horrifying situation. But it is sort of funny the ease

983
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: with which she just brings these dufices back to the house.

984
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: Well, I saw that in her notes, and I will

985
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: say maybe perhaps at her defense. And I'm not saying

986
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: this because in the movie, she's effectively like a middle

987
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: aged woman. She's like this guy's second wife, and you

988
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: know he has a daughter who's an adult. So it's

989
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: kind of like, yeah, she's probably like a middle aged woman.

990
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: But here's the tea about the eighties, right, and we're

991
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: talking about nineteen eighty seven. This was like the Melanie

992
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 1: Griffith and working girl.

993
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: This is she has very Melanie Griffith hair in this movie.

994
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the thing is that she has a

995
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: real kind of like no nonsense business lady look about her.

996
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: She's also British, and she kind of reminds me, like

997
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: I think because I remember this from being a kid.

998
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: There was this kind of weird goth like hot lady

999
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: archetype that was this. She kind of has this like

1000
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: Susan Sarandon from The Hunger Vibe.

1001
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I see.

1002
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: That redhead, like short kind of curly hair, you know, British,

1003
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: very important, but kind of had this like I don't know,

1004
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: this weird kind of business lady look, but it was

1005
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: also kind of.

1006
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: Like business lady vampire. Yes, kind of.

1007
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: Business vampire from nineteen eighty seven. This is like exactly

1008
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, you clocked.

1009
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying? Though, it's like know

1010
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: what you're talking about? Yes, where I'm like eyeshadow.

1011
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's got like her little black lace, you know,

1012
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: boostier underneath her like sensible work clothes, and she's got

1013
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: she'll take her pumps off and it'll be like she

1014
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: kind of goes from like day to night very easily.

1015
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: But she's got she's.

1016
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: Definitely like a redhead or maybe even a platinum blonde,

1017
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: but then it's kind of short hair and then like British. Yeah,

1018
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: that's a that's a goth girlfriend or wife, I think.

1019
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: Yeah in this era, absolutely absolutely. And it is interesting

1020
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,479
Speaker 2: because her character is very dominating, Like I just feel

1021
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 2: like she is like taking these men home like just

1022
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 2: by her sheer will. And she's obviously the more dominant

1023
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: one in the relationship with Larry, you know, and so

1024
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: maybe that's why she's attracted to Frank, because she actually

1025
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 2: wants to be a sub, you know, she wants to

1026
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 2: be told what to do and not be the boss

1027
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 2: all the time.

1028
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 3: You know, Listen, I.

1029
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: Don't I think you know more more about BDSM than

1030
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: you think.

1031
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 2: Hmm interesting, Uh okay. So Kirsty gets involved. She discovers

1032
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: what's going on with Julia and Frank, which it is

1033
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: funny that like there's just like a skinless man living

1034
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 2: in their house and they don't notice that he's there.

1035
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: But Kirsty discovers what's going on, sees skinless Frank and

1036
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: he it seems like he tries to kind of kill her,

1037
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: but she steals his little pleasure puzzle box and she

1038
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 2: opens it and guess what, those damn cinnabytes come and

1039
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: they're like, Hi, we're gonna like take you to pleasure,

1040
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 2: to mension and torture you for a million years. But

1041
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 2: she's like, Frank escaped you, guys, and he's like they're like, no, no,

1042
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 2: he didn't. And she's like, yeah, he did, and like

1043
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: in exchange for him, can you give me my freedom?

1044
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 2: And they're kind of like maybe so, but it is funny.

1045
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 2: I thought it was funny when she was like, Frank

1046
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: escaped you and they're like uh uh. She's like, no,

1047
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 2: he did, and he's like, well, let's say that he did.

1048
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: And I don't know. I just thought that was like,

1049
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 2: it's funny that the cenobytes made him a mistake.

1050
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: To me, well, okay, let me ask you this first

1051
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: of all again, like in nineteen eighty seven, in the

1052
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: years after what I had seen this movie, I was

1053
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: obviously like my brain was so little that I was

1054
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: not processing any of the fine details about Hell Raiser. Okay,

1055
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know. I thought Pinhead, first

1056
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: of all, was in the movie a lot more than

1057
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: he actually was.

1058
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,919
Speaker 2: No, he's not in it very much. I would say,

1059
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 2: like less than ten minutes of screen time.

1060
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I you know, from if you would

1061
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: have asked me in middle school, I would have said, oh,

1062
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: he's the entire movie, but I didn't know. Yeah, so

1063
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: I don't remember any of that, and I also don't

1064
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: remember what he was. I didn't realize that he came

1065
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: from the Pleasure Dome or the Pleasure Center of Hell.

1066
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 2: It's like another dimension, sure, And.

1067
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: So that I guess my question because that's a set

1068
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: of bite is essentially people from his land, right, And

1069
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: they're all like dressed like what you would call probably

1070
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: like matrix.

1071
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 2: The Matrix look industrial goth y, cyberpunk like goth full leather.

1072
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: Or vinyl outfits and capes and whatnot. And then they

1073
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: all kind of look like Pulverhoven total recall character aliens,

1074
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: like they've got weird faces. There's a kind of a

1075
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: pig one that looks kind of like a pig.

1076
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 2: So that's butter Ball. He's like a big fat guy

1077
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 2: and he does look like a like kind of like

1078
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 2: a human pig. And then there's the Chatterer, which is

1079
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 2: like he's got a lot of teeth and he's going

1080
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 2: with his teeth. And then there's the girl, the girl

1081
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: cenobite and she's bald. And then there's Pinhead, who's got

1082
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 2: pins all over his head, right, and those are the

1083
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 2: cenobytes that we've met from this land, right, And.

1084
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I guess my question is they're like,

1085
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: if you open the portal for us, we have to

1086
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: bring someone back.

1087
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 2: That's what it seems like. Yeah, okay, And I'm curious if, like,

1088
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 2: does Frank become a cenobyte at a certain point? Is

1089
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 2: that like a promotion? How do you become a cenobite? Right?

1090
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: That's and that's what I again, many questions, some of

1091
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: which don't get resolved for me in this movie.

1092
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 2: But I think that in the sequel, which I have seen,

1093
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 2: the second one, they get more into Pinhead's background, which

1094
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 2: I don't really want to know. I don't want to.

1095
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 2: I don't really want like him humanized that much. I guess,

1096
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to like like, no, he

1097
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 2: was like an accountant from Omaha or something.

1098
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: I guess that was my other question about the sequels,

1099
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: because I've not seen any of the sequels. I wonder

1100
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: because obviously Pinhead became the star of the franchise. I mean,

1101
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: he like became you know, It's like I completely thought

1102
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: the first hell Raiser was about him so did he

1103
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: develop his own little stand up routine like Freddy Krueger.

1104
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 2: Over the course of the question, I hope not. Okay,

1105
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 2: he scays it would take some of the bite out

1106
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 2: of him as an evil character.

1107
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: He's not making like sex puns or whatever. Like when

1108
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: he meets up with people, he's like, you know, saying

1109
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: some crazy shit, like you know, like coming up with

1110
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: his own like five minutes.

1111
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 2: To yeah, his hot, his uh tight five yeah whatever. Yeah.

1112
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I guess, Yeah, that's a little curious because

1113
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, why does it matter. I guess they

1114
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: do have to bring someone they like, you open the door.

1115
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: We got to bring someone back. And yeah, you can

1116
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: look fucked up like we are. So it's either got

1117
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: to be you or it's got to be Frank.

1118
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so Kirsty she runs back to the house

1119
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 2: to protect her father from Julia cenobites Frank, you know,

1120
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 2: once she's sort of made this deal with the Cenobytes

1121
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 2: and she's discovered that Frank has killed her dad, Larry

1122
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 2: and taking his skin. And how she finds out that

1123
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 2: it's Frank is because he uses his famous phrase, come

1124
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 2: to daddy. That's something that Larry would never say. Uh,

1125
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 2: Frank kills Julia accidentally because he's trying to stab Kirsty.

1126
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 2: He didn't seem too disappointed. He's like Surrey, babe. And

1127
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 2: then the Cenobytes come, they grab Frank. Frank doesn't seem

1128
01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 2: too displeased to go back to the pain dimension. He's

1129
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 2: kind of smiling. He seems okay. Uh, And then you know,

1130
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 2: the Cenobites they go back on their word. They try

1131
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 2: to bring Kirsty back, and she foils them by simply

1132
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 2: closing the puzzle box, which is a little I guess

1133
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 2: anti climactic. Sure, it's kind of like, oh, that was

1134
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 2: it the thing? Yeah, and it's funny when it's like,

1135
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 2: don't do that, well, actually, don't do that. But yeah.

1136
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 2: And so that is hell Reiser.

1137
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 3: What a thrill.

1138
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:45,479
Speaker 1: So you were extremely excited to be doing this movie

1139
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: this week, So tell me why, like what you were just?

1140
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 2: I just think Clive Barker. He the world of Clive Barker.

1141
01:05:55,120 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 2: And I've only seen Hell Raiser and Night Breed, which

1142
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 2: I also love. But it's so specific and unique and

1143
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 2: scary and gross, and it feels very eighties in a way.

1144
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 2: It just feels it feels like nothing that's out right

1145
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 2: now and it's so gloomy, and I don't know, it's

1146
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 2: got this specific feel, and Cronenberg has sort of a

1147
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 2: similar feel to his movies sometimes. But there's just something

1148
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 2: about his stuff I find totally intriguing. It feels like

1149
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 2: it's based in like old mythology, all of his stuff,

1150
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 2: but I don't even know quite what it's referencing, but

1151
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 2: it just feels like, well, it just feels like it's

1152
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:50,439
Speaker 2: a part of a greater myth or something. And yeah,

1153
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 2: I'm just sort of captivated by him. And like you said,

1154
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a good Catholic boy, and this is

1155
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 2: the other side of know, this is this is the

1156
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 2: stuff I'm not supposed to be watching, you know. It

1157
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 2: was supposed to be at church, not watching Clive Barker movies.

1158
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: So well, it's funny because I like he To me,

1159
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: I think it's just because I I went in the

1160
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: specific era that I was a teenager. He just kind

1161
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: of his stuff, I would say, even more than like

1162
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: Stephen King or something. He just had this like goth

1163
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: fantasy element to him. But I feel like a lot

1164
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 1: of like other horror writers maybe didn't have as much

1165
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: like you know, he he to me, like Clive Barker

1166
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: was to me, seemed real goth industrial, you know, like

1167
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: I said, dabbled into like the BDSM kink world. There

1168
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: was always like people that loved him and were kind

1169
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 1: of like him. I mean, if you look at pictures

1170
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: of him from the back in the day, he doesn't

1171
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: look particularly like a demon from seems.

1172
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 2: Kind of like a cool hang. He seems like a

1173
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 2: cool dude, Like he cool.

1174
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: Dude, like he kind of like, you know, probably an

1175
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:07,439
Speaker 1: intense boyfriend, but not like the dark lord that we.

1176
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 2: All thought it was. And I just, you know, I

1177
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 2: think that there was.

1178
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: A long time where I had put those people like

1179
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, hey, the Clive Barker kids are

1180
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: like the kids that were into goth industrial, even though

1181
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: I messed around with those kids all the time, and

1182
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: especially now, I told you, I told everybody in the

1183
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: last podcast I was going goth if Trump got reelected,

1184
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: and that is fully true.

1185
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 2: So I'm like bring it, you know, like yeah, yeah,

1186
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 2: it just feels really it feels really underground, It feels

1187
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 2: really countercultural in a really cool way. It feels very queer.

1188
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 2: I know, Clive Barker is queer, and so it just

1189
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 2: feels like I'm really attracted to things that are like

1190
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 2: counter cultural right now, especially as things are becoming more Christian,

1191
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 2: more conservative, more return to family values stuff. This type

1192
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 2: of stuff I kind of see out.

1193
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 3: And I'm much more interested in now.

1194
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: Listen, it's the way of the world. I mean, you know,

1195
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: like what I do think is interesting. I mean, just

1196
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: as broadly speaking, and we could cut this if we

1197
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: want to, is that the line between counterculture and actual

1198
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: culture has been so blurred for so long.

1199
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 2: I mean, it used to be.

1200
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: Pretty distinct, and now everything is everything, and you know,

1201
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:32,759
Speaker 1: like capitalism in this late iteration has made it really

1202
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: hard to distinguish between posers and not posers, if you will.

1203
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: But I think it's a I think that you're right though,

1204
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: the instinct to return to like underground art and even

1205
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: just like a cult stuff and things that are like

1206
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: moving away from the kind of hegemonic normative like state

1207
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 1: of the world right now of like trad wives and

1208
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: fucking like yeah, rules of fascism and things like that

1209
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: are I don't know, I think it's important to kind

1210
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: of dig back into that stuff because totally give me

1211
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: a release, you know, totally totally Yeah, Well that was

1212
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:22,759
Speaker 1: hell raiser.

1213
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 2: This was fun. I really liked being able to watch

1214
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 2: this and talk to you about it, Millie. Thank you

1215
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 2: for being willing to talk about on the show.

1216
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 1: Give Me the Blood.

1217
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 2: All right, moving on, we've got film advice. It's been

1218
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 2: a little bit since we've read some film advice. I'm

1219
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 2: excited to get into and we have a gripe in here.

1220
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 2: There's a gripe, Give me the gripe. Now we got

1221
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 2: a gripe, give me the blood. Uh Okay, I'm gonna

1222
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 2: read this one. It's from Amber, and I think you

1223
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 2: know who this person is.

1224
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 1: I do, go ahead.

1225
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 2: I'm the mother of a five year old boy and

1226
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 2: aunt to some amazing teens and young adults. As Casey

1227
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 2: has been sharing the TV movie slash movies he's intro

1228
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 2: introducing to patients, it led me to hit this question.

1229
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 2: What are your favorite movies and TV shows from your

1230
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 2: childhood and adolescents that should be passed on to the

1231
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:27,480
Speaker 2: next generation of Cinophiles. We've hit most of the classics,

1232
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 2: but I'd love to hear yours. We've seen Disney Standards,

1233
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 2: the Goonies, Willy Wonka both Old and New, Willow Never

1234
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 2: Ending Story, Pee Wee's Big Adventure, Labyrinth, The Secret of

1235
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 2: Nim Miyazaki's For the teams, this is what I recommended,

1236
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 2: True Romance, Natural Born Killers, Becky Boy Kills World, all

1237
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 2: of Tarantino. I don't know what else to say by

1238
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 2: Taser all over the Place, Amber. Amber also gave me

1239
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 2: a bunch of suggestions on good shows for patients to watch,

1240
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 2: but I won't include those because this is a movie

1241
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 2: by Mellly. What are your favorite movies and TV shows

1242
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 2: from your childhood and adolescens that should be passed on

1243
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 2: to the next generation of Cinophiles.

1244
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 1: You know, I was really thinking about this because I

1245
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 1: just don't think I have a tidy answer. That's okay,

1246
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 1: I really don't, because here's the truth. I was always

1247
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: watching things that were not geared for my age group

1248
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 1: as a kid. I was always trying to watch things

1249
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: for older people, right.

1250
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:33,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean.

1251
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: I have said this a million times on every podcast

1252
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: that has asked me this question, But like, you know,

1253
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 1: I watched a Clockwork Orange when I was like eight

1254
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: nine years old, and I think that just broke something

1255
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: in my brain that I just was like maybe I'm

1256
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: a bit of frank.

1257
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm trying to get juice in my own way.

1258
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 1: And when it came down to it, there wasn't a

1259
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: lot of kid entertainment that.

1260
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:03,640
Speaker 2: I was like really interested in. I remember loving.

1261
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 1: The cartoon Gem like when I was, you know, in

1262
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: elementary school a lot, there was a few little cartoons,

1263
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like I was really into kids stuff.

1264
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 1: I was like trying to go much older. I was

1265
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 1: watching you know, like Dynasty with my mom and like

1266
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: General Hospital with my mom and like soap operas. That

1267
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 1: cod was kind of early days for me. And then

1268
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: I moved into like, you know, I was still I

1269
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: wasn't a teenager yet, but I was obsessed with like

1270
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: teen stuff, so like Nino two and zero and you know,

1271
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: Melrose Place, like all these things. You know, So it

1272
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 1: was kind of like I was always kind of like

1273
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: at least five to ten years ahead of my actual age.

1274
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: So for me, it's really hard to suggest like things

1275
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 1: from my teen years because I was like they wouldn't

1276
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,719
Speaker 1: be for kids that age. Does that make sense?

1277
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you want you want the children watching

1278
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 2: Cannibal Holocaust, right right?

1279
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 1: Because I was like in a shithead phase earlier than

1280
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: I think a lot of other people would be, and

1281
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: so yeah, i'd be like, I don't know if I

1282
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: would recommend watching Ilse's She Wolf of the SS to

1283
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,600
Speaker 1: anyone who was a teenager, Like, I just feel so

1284
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 1: fucked up.

1285
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:30,640
Speaker 2: And so yeah, I don't know, I don't know what

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01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 2: to say.

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01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, like things like natural Born Killers and

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01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: all that stuff that was pretty like most of the

1289
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 1: teens want my generation watched all that, like The Reservoir Dogs,

1290
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: natural Born Killers, like David Lynch, Twin Peaks, like this

1291
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Actually, I think Twin Peaks should probably

1292
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:51,799
Speaker 1: be up there.

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01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that I feel like David

1294
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,600
Speaker 2: Lynch is still so in the culture now that I

1295
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 2: have less fear of that getting passed on, you know,

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01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 2: to the young generation, so I feel like it will

1297
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 2: I guess. The first thing I came to mind for

1298
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:17,640
Speaker 2: me was like, I think The Wizard of Oz is

1299
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 2: really great, and that is a really old movie at

1300
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 2: this point, and so I'm just kind of like, that's

1301
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 2: old to a degree that I don't know if kids

1302
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 2: are gonna go back and watch that, even though I

1303
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 2: think it's great and I guess I was thinking more

1304
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:37,919
Speaker 2: of like, are kids now gonna go back and watch

1305
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 2: French new wave movies right and think that's cool in

1306
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 2: the way that I thought that was cool when I

1307
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 2: was a teenager. Or is that just so old to

1308
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 2: these kids now that it's like this isn't even enjoyable,

1309
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 2: you know, same with like even like the film Brat

1310
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 2: movies of the nineteen seventies. You know, it's like a

1311
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 2: kid's gonna go back and watch five easy pieces now

1312
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 2: or is it like too antiquated?

1313
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: So I mean I feel like if we're gonna move

1314
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 1: a bit forward, I think PTA movies are gonna be

1315
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:13,480
Speaker 1: that they're just Pta, Christopher Nolan, you know, like Darren Aronofsky,

1316
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: like all those generation guys are probably gonna be the

1317
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 1: new Scorsese DiPalma, you know, Coppola. Sure, I mean, based

1318
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:27,600
Speaker 1: on the dude profest it was when I went and

1319
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: saw one battle after another, I would say that that

1320
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: is gonna happen. It's an inevitability.

1321
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 2: More like one dad'll after another.

1322
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 1: That is incredible, dude, which I would have thought about

1323
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 1: that one damn.

1324
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 2: And they Yeah. So I mean I think that kind

1325
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 2: of answered the question. I don't know if I have

1326
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 2: like kids movies. I yeah, like that, I hold as

1327
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:00,679
Speaker 2: near and dear that I like. I have stupid ones

1328
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 2: like Steven Spielberg's Hook, but I'm not going to be

1329
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 2: like that. That needs to be passed down to the

1330
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 2: young generation, you know. But thank you, Amber, really appreciate

1331
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 2: you writing in Wait at Amber.

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01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 1: By the way, she's my coworker. So we can go

1333
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: just go to lunch talk about this more if you.

1334
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 2: Want to, Yes, please, and I'll FaceTime in. Yes. Just

1335
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 2: put me on a little put me on a phone

1336
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 2: on the table and I can chime in. Okay, moving on.

1337
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 2: This is a question. We get a lot some version

1338
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,679
Speaker 2: of this question, so I think it's good to talk

1339
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 2: about it. Hi, Million Casey. I am seeking your advice

1340
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 2: regarding my husband and is vastly differing movie tastes. While

1341
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:46,799
Speaker 2: I enjoy dark dramas, any and all oscar hopefuls and horror,

1342
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 2: my lovely husband favors romantic comedies and fantasy. We rarely

1343
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 2: find a movie that we can both enjoy on an

1344
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 2: at home date. He prefers to disassociate from reality when

1345
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 2: watching and get completely lost in the universe of the story,

1346
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 2: while I am usually taken out of films that I

1347
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 2: can easily predict outcomes or feel that the characters emotionally

1348
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 2: operate in a way I find unrealistic. Thank you so much, Mary.

1349
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 2: Number one, I've found it very hard to pick movies

1350
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 2: to watch with family, and now I'm kind of like,

1351
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 2: I don't think you should watch movies with your family.

1352
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 2: That's my first takeaway. Number two, I have somewhat of

1353
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:31,560
Speaker 2: a similar problem with my wife and I, except I

1354
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 2: relate to both of you. I like to disassociate a

1355
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 2: lot and just watch zombie movies where I don't have

1356
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 2: to totally pay attention. I like that type of stuff,

1357
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 2: but I also like my broccoli movies. I want to

1358
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:50,799
Speaker 2: watch The Decalogue by Christoph Kislowski, you know, and Tricia

1359
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 2: doesn't really like watching that stuff as much. So I

1360
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 2: have what has been titled my Star Trek nights, where

1361
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 2: I well watch an episode of Star Trek or I'll

1362
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 2: watch some art house bullshit movie by myself, because I

1363
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 2: know Trisha doesn't want to watch those types of movies

1364
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 2: all the time. So I do think you need if

1365
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 2: you want to watch your broccoli movies. I think you

1366
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 2: know your Oscar movies. You might just have to have

1367
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 2: a special night once a week where you do that

1368
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:22,799
Speaker 2: on your own. That's my advice.

1369
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gladuate in because obviously you're married and you

1370
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: have this conundrum, whereas yea, I live alone and I

1371
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 1: don't even watch movies. As representative of the last couple

1372
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 1: weeks of the film Diary, Yeah, a lot of times

1373
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,600
Speaker 1: I will watch movies for the podcast, and if I

1374
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 1: have this like tickle in my throat about a specific genre,

1375
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 1: Like I said, I went to Video Drum and rented

1376
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 1: like three depraved films and was like, I'm gonna watch

1377
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: all of these movies. But normally it's really not like

1378
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: what I've been with people, Like if I've been dating people,

1379
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 1: I never care. I'm just like, I don't give a

1380
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 1: shit about the movie we watch. You have watch whatever

1381
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 1: you want to watch. If I don't like it, I'll

1382
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: just look at my phone and just look up once

1383
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 1: in a while, try to get the general beats of

1384
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, I mean, my my thing is that

1385
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 1: I just hate I think it's because my whole life

1386
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 1: is deciding on movies to watch and talking about movies

1387
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 1: that if I'm in, if I'm on a date. If

1388
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm hanging out with friends, I just don't want to choose.

1389
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to choose. I'll watch whatever you want

1390
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,719
Speaker 1: to watch. I mean the other night, when I brought

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01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 1: over der Fan to like my friend's house, I was like,

1392
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 1: I could watch this or not, Like it doesn't matter,

1393
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 1: Like even though I brought a DVD over, I could

1394
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 1: easily not watch it. I am not passionate about it.

1395
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think watching a movie with another person

1396
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 2: is a social activity, and even though it's your partner,

1397
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 2: it is sort of a social thing. So if one

1398
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:05,600
Speaker 2: of your I feel like both have to be at

1399
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 2: least kind of okay with watching the movie that you're watching.

1400
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know. It's it's a tough thing

1401
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,639
Speaker 2: to navigate. And like I said, maybe family members should

1402
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 2: never watch movies with each other.

1403
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 1: It's either that you don't watch movies at all, or

1404
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 1: one of you has to completely capitulate, like one of

1405
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 1: you is.

1406
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 2: Just gonna it has to not care. One of you

1407
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 2: has to be the Frank, and one of you has.

1408
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 3: To be the Julia in this situation.

1409
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll be your movie sub how about that?

1410
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 3: Okay, very good?

1411
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 2: Thank you? So much for that, Mary all Right, Moving

1412
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:46,680
Speaker 2: on to a film gripe from Mollie, I have an

1413
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 2: admittedly silly film grip to write about. What is it

1414
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 2: with that scene that's in every other movie where we

1415
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 2: where we are showing a character from above laying in

1416
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 2: a bath, looking up, often into the camera. Then they

1417
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 2: submerge themselves under the water, while keeping their eyes open

1418
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 2: and continuing to look into the camera. No one has

1419
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 2: ever done this in real life, or at least I

1420
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 2: and the people I've spoken with this about have never

1421
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 2: done it. I think it's generally meant to symbolize being

1422
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:14,600
Speaker 2: overwhelmed in the face of a struggle, but I just

1423
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 2: find it hacky and annoying. What confuses me most is

1424
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 2: that it's often in otherwise high quality, unconventional, non trophy things.

1425
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:24,839
Speaker 2: The most recent example I come across was watching twenty

1426
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,719
Speaker 2: eleven's The Hunter with Willem Dafoe a couple of weeks ago,

1427
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 2: and it inspired me to write in Mollie, this is funny.

1428
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 2: I haven't really thought about this, but this does happen

1429
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 2: in movies a lot. I think it happened in the

1430
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 2: movie Jacob's Ladder. I remember that where it's someone submerged

1431
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 2: into bath looking up.

1432
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 1: Okay, because I was like, did this happen in a

1433
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 1: nightmare on ELM Street? I don't remember, Like, so okay,

1434
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: essentially what Molly is saying as a person is being

1435
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: shot from above on their back dipping into a bathtub.

1436
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they open their eyes underwater and look up.

1437
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:08,719
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is not somebody taking like a relaxing bath.

1438
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:13,679
Speaker 1: This is like a stress bath. Okay, got it. Okay,

1439
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 1: no one has ever done this real life. Have you

1440
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: ever taken a stress bath?

1441
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 2: Casey, I've taken it a bath if I've been stressed out,

1442
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 2: not often, but it's happened. But I don't open my

1443
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 2: eyes underwater because if I'm having a stress bath, there's

1444
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 2: gonna be some fun bubbles in there, maybe a bath bomb.

1445
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 2: I don't want that getting into my eyes, so I'm

1446
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 2: not opening my eyes underwater. Yeah.

1447
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 1: I very rarely take baths, and they're definitely not stressful.

1448
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: So I've never done this. I've never done it in

1449
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,640
Speaker 1: real life. To Molly's point, I've never done this in

1450
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 1: real life, so I think it would drive me crazy

1451
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 1: if I had seen it over and over.

1452
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 2: It's always like the bath water is like crystal clear too,

1453
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 2: which is sort of funny in these situations. This is

1454
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 2: sort of the cousin of the splashing water in your

1455
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 2: face when at the sink in a public bathroom when

1456
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 2: you're stressed out. You know, you see that in movies

1457
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 2: a lot to see. Have you ever done that?

1458
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 1: Have I ever splashed water in a public sink? Is

1459
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 1: that what we're saying?

1460
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 2: Like, you go into a bathroom, you're stressed out at work,

1461
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 2: You turn on the sink and you like start splashing

1462
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:28,719
Speaker 2: water in your face to try to cool yourself down.

1463
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've done it because I've cried at work several

1464
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 1: times and I have to okay, wash the tears away,

1465
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 1: I see have you.

1466
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 2: I'm sure I have. Have I cried in a bathroom,

1467
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 2: a public bathroom?

1468
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 3: Sure?

1469
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah.

1470
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 1: One of the best pleasures of life, to be honest.

1471
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 2: To let to cry in a pub in a bathroom,

1472
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 2: oh yeah, at work? Yeah, and in the stall in

1473
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 2: a stall. Are you kidding?

1474
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 1: So?

1475
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 2: Fee? Yeah? When I worked at Max Fun, they only

1476
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 2: had one bathroom in the office, and so if you

1477
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 2: wanted to cry, I had to go to your car.

1478
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 2: Oh that's even better.

1479
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 1: So have you ever cried in a parking deck in

1480
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 1: the car.

1481
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 2: Oh oh, yeah, I do that like maybe once a week, wow,

1482
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 2: because of work or just like life.

1483
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's hormonal, to be honest, because I

1484
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 1: have a bit of a commute now, and I noticed

1485
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,839
Speaker 1: that when I listen to music in the morning, I

1486
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: usually end up crying. And then I'm like parking my

1487
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 1: car in the parking deck and then I just like

1488
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: have my cry and then I go into work.

1489
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 2: My favorite current place to cry is staring out the

1490
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 2: window when I'm washing dishes at the side. That's a

1491
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:48,639
Speaker 2: good cry actually, And it's the same reason. I'll listen

1492
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 2: to music in the morning and I'm like I am affected.

1493
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 1: Yes, oh it's like and it's like the song that

1494
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 1: will play like if I'm in the car, it's not

1495
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 1: necessarily a sad song.

1496
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 2: It's it doesn't even have to be.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I can be like joyous and then I get

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Speaker 1: caught up in the moment of like the joyousness of

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Speaker 1: the song, and I'm like, yeah, I should be having

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Speaker 1: this much fun.

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Speaker 2: Why am I not?

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Speaker 1: I'm crying.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I can't go on TikTok because I just for

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Speaker 2: some there's some tiktoks that just make me weep, oh

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Speaker 2: much like sometimes they have like beautiful cinematic compilations from

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Speaker 2: movies that I'm just like, oh, oh, I know, or

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Speaker 2: it's like moments of true grace and sincerity, like in

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Speaker 2: a video on TikTok.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was one that I reposted. It was a

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Speaker 1: Filipino grandma who had her own restaurant, and she was like,

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Speaker 1: thank you for coming to my restaurant.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, have we lost

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Speaker 4: the plot of this.

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Speaker 2: We have lost the plot a little bit. And we're

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Speaker 2: both crying thank you to everybody who wrote in thank

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01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 2: you Mollie for that gripe. I hear you, and I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna look for that now. Mollie also had a question

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Speaker 2: about picking movies to watch with her family, but we

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01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 2: just you know, covered that. Millie. Wow, what a great episode.

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Speaker 2: We really got kinky on this one. Now it's time

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Speaker 2: for employees picks. I'm recommending the movie Clive Barker made

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01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 2: after Hell Raiser called Night Breed from nineteen ninety. It's

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01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 2: sort of a similar vibe of Hell Raiser. It's kind

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01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:43,440
Speaker 2: of also sort of confusing. There's like this ancient civilization

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01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:49,680
Speaker 2: that lives under a cemetery and they are called the

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01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 2: night Breed, and they are monsters. They are like monster

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01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 2: people and they're dead kind of. It's the name of

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01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 2: this land is called Midian, and the main character played

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01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 2: by Craig Scheffer is sort of called by this place Midian,

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01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 2: and he's connected to it somehow and he becomes one

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01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 2: of these creatures eventually. And it's really a fascinating movie.

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01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 2: It's great character design, it's creepy, it's sexual. David Cronenberg

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01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 2: plays a very evil doctor in it, and he plays

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01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 2: like a very good villain in this movie. And it

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01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 2: has a very similar vibe to Hell Raiser. So if

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Speaker 2: you like Hell Raiser, you would like Nightbreed. Nightbreed nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 3: Check it out.

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01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:46,600
Speaker 2: Amazing.

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01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 1: I have a friend Elrick Kine, who is the co

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01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 1: host of the Pure CENTERMA podcast. He's a horror director

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01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 1: himself in LA and this is one of his favorite

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01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 1: movies Night Read It's great.

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01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 2: A lot of Clive Barker movies. He had a hard

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01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 2: time with studio interference, and I think this had some

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01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:19,679
Speaker 2: studio interference issues because it's so bizarre, I guess, and

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01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:24,879
Speaker 2: but check out, So maybe you should watch the director's cut.

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01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 2: I don't always recommend the director's cut, but for this

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01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 2: I think I would. But yeah, so check it out.

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Speaker 1: So my field recommendation for this week is kind of

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01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 1: it's a it's a little bit more.

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01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 2: I guess we're gonna since we are.

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01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 1: Talking about BDSM and kink and fetish stuff slightly with

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01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 1: hill Raiser, I wanted to recommend maybe one of the

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01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 1: ogs of horror that sort of dabbles in the kind

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01:29:56,600 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 1: of fetish ish world, the kink world, the BDSM world,

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Speaker 1: which is Peeping Tom from nineteen sixty directed by Michael Powell.

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01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 1: Of course, of the archers Powell and Pressburger, they made

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01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:15,599
Speaker 1: some of the most beautiful movies of all time. But

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01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 1: this is a movie that you know, has been studied

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01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 1: and talked about for decades, and it's basically a psychological

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01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 1: horror film about a serial killer who murders women and

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01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 1: records them with his camera as he's killing them, and

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01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 1: then he kind of puts it together and makes his

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01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 1: own little porno snuff film. And I mean, this was

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01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 1: hugely controversial when it came out, like in nineteen sixty, right,

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01:30:55,479 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 1: and we did have things like Psycho and there was

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01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,800
Speaker 1: a lot of kind of horror that was kind of

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01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: moving into this like psychological realm of like what would

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01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 1: be called like kind of deviant sexual behaviors kind of thing.

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01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 1: But I mean, I recently we saw there was the

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01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,680
Speaker 1: restoration of Peeping Tom that came out probably like a

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01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 1: year ago in theaters and the colors are fucking amazing.

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01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 1: It looked incredible, The restoration looked incredible. But I was like,

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01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, for nineteen sixty, this, uh, this is still

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01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 1: pretty you know, pretty effective.

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01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 2: Like it is.

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01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:42,599
Speaker 1: Not like, you know, a horror movie that's really tame tame.

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01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 1: It still hits pretty hard. And I mean this movie

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01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 1: was all has talked been talked about, you know, by

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01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 1: like Laurel Moulvie and all these film scholars. It's like,

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01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of film theory was centered in

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01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 1: a movie like Peeping Tom. But I just figured since

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01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 1: we're on the topic of Weird six, that we were

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01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:05,920
Speaker 1: gonna have to bring up Peeping Tom nineteen sixty.

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01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 2: I've never seen it. It's on my list. I gotta

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01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:10,679
Speaker 2: check it out. Do it.

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Speaker 1: I think you'll love it.

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01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 2: Millie. We're talking about a movie that's been on my

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01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 2: list for a long time. Next week, and I'm excited

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01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 2: to talk about it. Did you recommend this one or

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01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 2: did I? I think I did? Maybe I think you did.

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01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 2: We're going to.

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Speaker 1: Watch a movie from nineteen eighty nine next week called

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01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 1: and this is again probably is this the last of

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01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 1: our horror month?

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Speaker 2: It is?

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01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we're going out with a bag. We're going

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01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:41,720
Speaker 1: to talk about the nineteen eighty nine film Tetsu the

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01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:46,640
Speaker 1: Iron Man, which is quite a film if you've not

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01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:50,080
Speaker 1: heard of it. It is a Japanese kind of science

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01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:53,360
Speaker 1: fiction horror film. And I mean there's you can see it,

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01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 1: like I think it's on YouTube.

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01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 2: On slings on canopy for firm so.

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01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 1: Canopy, that's perfect you can watch it for if you

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01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 1: have a library subscription. Anyway, Yeah, we're gonna be talking

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01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 1: about that. That is gonna be a good one.

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Speaker 2: So this movie is only sixty four minutes long, So

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Speaker 2: I like that too. Wow? Wow? Wait did it? We

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Speaker 2: sure certainly did, Millie. Thank you for another great show.

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Speaker 2: spooky week.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and I hope you do too.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Bye bye, see ya.

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Speaker 1: Milli to Cherico and produced by my co host Kasey O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: Daniel Kramer and Millie. To Jericho, we love you. Goodbye,

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Speaker 2: Beker