Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman.
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Speaker 2: Man, Hey, I've been looking forward to this particular render
Speaker 2: for a while. I really have, because as Misty Misty
Speaker 2: will tell you, I like beg people to tell me,
Speaker 2: you know, just to like talk to me about the podcast,
Speaker 2: and uh, and she gets.
Speaker 1: Tired of it.
Speaker 2: Josh has to talk to me about the podcast because
Speaker 2: it's his job. So I call him between the hours
Speaker 2: of eight and five and can talk to him.
Speaker 1: But if it's like, if it's later, he's like, well, Clay,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll talk to you tomorrow about it. So I'm
Speaker 1: glad you're all here so we can talk about this.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: This episode with with Granny Henderson, we have some very
Speaker 2: distinguished guests. We have aligned everybody Todays, so it's the exploiters.
Speaker 1: Versus the preservationists. Hey, we're on the outsiders.
Speaker 2: Wait wait a minute, now, I don't know if y'all
Speaker 2: in this context for the outsiders or not, but uh,
Speaker 2: and the locals. But no, that kind of just happened
Speaker 2: on its own. We have Lake Pickle from all the
Speaker 2: way from the great state of Mississippi. You are our
Speaker 2: UnBias like outsider. Officially he's the outsider.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm ten out of ten and outsider in this situation.
Speaker 1: You never heard this story before.
Speaker 5: No, I I yeah, I went into it completely because yeah,
Speaker 5: I had nothing to base it off of.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I want to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 2: And then we have Kyle Plunkett. So good to have
Speaker 2: you from the Those Are podcast.
Speaker 4: I'm moderately biased.
Speaker 1: Moderately biased.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's fair.
Speaker 2: And I wanted to invite you because I first heard Misty,
Speaker 2: who I'm about to introduce on your podcast. And uh
Speaker 2: and and so anyway, you guys had done some stuff
Speaker 2: on the redesignation of the river and so good to
Speaker 2: have you, man.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And now you're tell us about your podcast.
Speaker 4: What do you want to know?
Speaker 5: Plug?
Speaker 4: Little plug? Just yeah, well a couple.
Speaker 6: Of years ago, we were Kyle Vett and I were
Speaker 6: really getting into bow hunting and bear hunting and fishing,
Speaker 6: and realized that all of the media and all the tacks,
Speaker 6: we're not for here, and so that kind of kicked
Speaker 6: us into this whole world of trying to figure out
Speaker 6: how to kill big deer and how to kill big bear,
Speaker 6: and how to catch big fish in the Ozarks. And
Speaker 6: one thing led to another, and we started uncovering the
Speaker 6: history and the people and the conservation and the stories
Speaker 6: and realized the Ozarks are way more than just a
Speaker 6: pretty place to recreate in. It's a really really amazing
Speaker 6: place to live and a really really amazing place to
Speaker 6: come from. So we're both I think we're six and
Speaker 6: seventh generation Ozarkers, so like years and years of family
Speaker 6: heritage in this area, all that kind of stuff. And
Speaker 6: so we interview guests who talk about the Ozarks pretty
Speaker 6: much anything we find interesting, we go find somebody talk
Speaker 6: to in that interview.
Speaker 1: So, well, you guys are doing a good job. I
Speaker 1: appreciate it, but we don't want anybody to move here.
Speaker 1: So stay where you're at. This is a terrible place.
Speaker 4: Good to have you.
Speaker 2: Kyle thanks, Misty Langdon, you're really the guest of honor, Missy.
Speaker 1: Well true true story, true story.
Speaker 7: Careful you let it go to my head.
Speaker 2: No, So, Misty was on on the was on the
Speaker 2: on the feature guests on. Josh is really jealous of
Speaker 2: people that are feature guests on because he never has been.
Speaker 8: Still.
Speaker 5: Has pustache, has a T shirt.
Speaker 1: But to be able to be a feature, to be
Speaker 1: a feature guest means that you like have like, you know,
Speaker 1: a fairly substantial contribution to the to the to an episode.
Speaker 5: Clay hasn't figured out what I can contribute.
Speaker 2: But but Misty was. So you were on both of them.
Speaker 2: You were on both episodes. And and I told this
Speaker 2: to Misty beforehand. I was I want to hear any
Speaker 2: place I got it wrong, any place.
Speaker 1: That uh, there's any you know you brought the story.
Speaker 1: The story needs some fixing. Yea, she has, Uh, she has,
Speaker 1: she has a few things, I'm sure, but uh. And
Speaker 1: and my wife, Misty will tell you that you were
Speaker 1: the person I was most I was most like man.
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope Misty is okay with this. It's true,
Speaker 1: it's true.
Speaker 7: Maybe maybe you think I'm the meanest.
Speaker 2: No, I just, I just you're not too afraid.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that's it.
Speaker 4: He's scared of girl's name, Missy.
Speaker 8: There's a lot of misty power. There's a lot of
Speaker 8: Misty power.
Speaker 7: There's so many of us.
Speaker 2: No but but Misty's from Newton County and uh and
Speaker 2: so she has a lot of real personal connections to
Speaker 2: this story, big time personal connections.
Speaker 1: And so it's it's great to have you, Thank.
Speaker 7: Yous for coming, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: And then I have all these folks, I have my
Speaker 2: lovely wife, doctor mister new great to have you, thank
Speaker 2: you here, Josh Lambridge, Spillmak Brent Reeves.
Speaker 3: Man, I just want to say that that this render
Speaker 3: better be good because it's gonna be hard to live
Speaker 3: up to the last one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys did a great job.
Speaker 5: Yeah we did.
Speaker 1: We did, of course did a great job without Yep.
Speaker 4: We should make a habit of that.
Speaker 1: I would love to not be here sometimes we would.
Speaker 9: Okay, everybody in we're in.
Speaker 1: Uh uh So you left off one guest, Oh Tim.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if on the video he can't figure
Speaker 1: out whether or not see Tim, Tim the squirrel dog.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you a quick story about Tim the
Speaker 2: squirrel dog. Since we're all here, this dog was bought
Speaker 2: at the same time as another squirrel dog of similar
Speaker 2: similar lineage. You'll like this, like because your dog man, Brent,
Speaker 2: your dog man, uh, and the other dog was way better,
Speaker 2: like way more natural ability, to the point that we
Speaker 2: had to keep her up, you know, kind of had
Speaker 2: to pend her up because she would she would run
Speaker 2: off and hunt and she would be gone. This lazy
Speaker 2: dog stayed, stayed around the house and like worked its
Speaker 2: way into becoming like the favorite dog in our family.
Speaker 8: Well it's waiting to becoming an actual member of the family, yep.
Speaker 2: But because of this dog's the dog never goes in
Speaker 2: the pen, because of its exposure to squirrels around here,
Speaker 2: this dog is in a really good squirrel dog, tim
Speaker 2: you see, almost as good as like the Michael Jordan dog.
Speaker 2: And that's an exaggeration, but for me, the Michael Jordan
Speaker 2: dog I had.
Speaker 1: So the take home.
Speaker 2: Is is that exposure and practice, Like that dog knows
Speaker 2: what a squirrel's thinking right now, Like he knows that
Speaker 2: that squirrel that lives over there will be down at
Speaker 2: four point thirty to eat you know, horse apples out
Speaker 2: of that bow.
Speaker 1: Dark over there.
Speaker 2: Tess is like Michael Jordan, tons of ability, great nose,
Speaker 2: great instinct, great tree power, great drive. So exposure can
Speaker 2: almost with just like natural talent. And that's where Brent
Speaker 2: comes in, because Brent has no natural talent.
Speaker 7: Just a.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I beat all those charges.
Speaker 5: The moral of the story, anybody can succeed. That's right, Abody, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's right.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: I had to give Tim a plug.
Speaker 7: There lebron So you've got Michael Jordan's and.
Speaker 2: Lebrony just there you go, there you go. So Phelps
Speaker 2: is coming out with a new deer call.
Speaker 4: That's a great segue. Yeah, yep, left turn.
Speaker 2: Talking about Michael Jordan. Yeah, this is uh so last
Speaker 2: year we came out with the Akron grunner spelled the
Speaker 2: correct way a k e r n akron grunner. And
Speaker 2: uh it's the it's the first call in the market.
Speaker 2: That's the inhale exhale bleat and grunt call or grunt call.
Speaker 2: I love a bleat call, like the like the old
Speaker 2: primost can. I mean he's called in so many deer.
Speaker 2: A lot of guys just carry a grunt call. This
Speaker 2: has an inhale ex hell. You can adjust the reads.
Speaker 2: You flip it and the call is opposite.
Speaker 1: Like there's one.
Speaker 2: Way where when you blow and it's a grunt and
Speaker 2: you suck and it's a it's a fawn bleat or
Speaker 2: dope blea. You flip it and you blow and it's
Speaker 2: a bleat and you suck and it's a grunt call.
Speaker 2: The tones are slightly different, but I constantly am using
Speaker 2: a bleak call and don't want to carry two calls.
Speaker 1: And so anyway, this is the acren Pro.
Speaker 2: And it's the it's h it's from Phelps and it's
Speaker 2: an acrylic call and you can you know, like totally adjustable.
Speaker 1: So anyway, these are coming out like real soon, the
Speaker 1: acren Pro, the acorn Pro.
Speaker 6: Fancy you want some free marketing on that one, Clay, Yeah,
Speaker 6: I have to give it to you. No, No, I
Speaker 6: used your your wooden acron Oh yeah, but the one. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I was one of the guys that you got on
Speaker 6: the it's limited, you got to get it quick, and
Speaker 6: I was like that, I'm buying it. It's happening, yeah,
Speaker 6: And I used it to call up that big ozark
Speaker 6: buck I killed. I heard him down on the on
Speaker 6: the ledge and was bleating at him. I mean it
Speaker 6: was like peak right was starting. He was he sounded
Speaker 6: like a train coming through the woods, and he turned
Speaker 6: and came.
Speaker 4: Right up the hill.
Speaker 1: Really, you bleeded at him?
Speaker 4: I did?
Speaker 1: You didn't ground at him. See, I think that that they.
Speaker 5: Didn't know which end of the call he had.
Speaker 1: So I.
Speaker 4: Was just breathing through it.
Speaker 1: What was going to happen?
Speaker 5: What happens?
Speaker 4: We got to bleed? He turned and came right up
Speaker 4: I mean his opening rifle, dad, I mean perfect. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a good plug. I saw that it was.
Speaker 1: How big was that deer?
Speaker 6: Thirteen points one hundred and sixty three inches. That's a
Speaker 6: big Deer's the biggest deer.
Speaker 7: I remember that one from Instagram.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it kind of made its round. This is like,
Speaker 4: this is this is weird.
Speaker 6: I never posted something on social media and everybody's clapping, like,
Speaker 6: you did a good job killing that thing.
Speaker 4: Appreciate it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Oh, that's very fun funny story about akorn. Just
Speaker 8: to you know, since I saw it spelled out there
Speaker 8: this I guess in the last two weeks, wordle the
Speaker 8: New York Times game had the word of the day,
Speaker 8: Like the first word was akron or I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't play the game.
Speaker 8: Oh, akron was the word and everybody a k a O.
Speaker 8: But Clay's niece couldn't get it even though she knew what.
Speaker 1: The word was.
Speaker 8: And everybody and we got so many messages that day
Speaker 8: like your favorite word and everybody else. Uh, there's a
Speaker 8: family thread where Clay's ants and his mom they all
Speaker 8: play they all play it together and they were like,
Speaker 8: it's Clay's favorite word, and everybody was like akron and
Speaker 8: his niece couldn't get.
Speaker 5: It right, because.
Speaker 1: We're educating the whole generation.
Speaker 4: Great one direct sounds like it one direction?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, man, I think enough with
Speaker 2: all the maloney.
Speaker 1: We need to we need to talk about this episode.
Speaker 2: This Uh, this episode to me is like if at
Speaker 2: this point and I get excited about every episode, like
Speaker 2: anyone that I'm doing is something that I'm like really
Speaker 2: interested in, and so in a given time.
Speaker 1: Period, you would be like, hey, Clave, what are you
Speaker 1: thinking about?
Speaker 2: And I'll be like, man, we just I'm doing the
Speaker 2: most interesting research I've ever done in my life, and
Speaker 2: I'll talk about the episode that I'm working on.
Speaker 1: But this one is different. This one.
Speaker 2: I told Misty just a little bit ago that in
Speaker 2: the original Bear Grease list of potential episodes that I
Speaker 2: did before the podcast ever started, that was one of
Speaker 2: the exercises that we did.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, you're going to start a podcast. Okay,
Speaker 1: mock out episodes, and all it was was a title.
Speaker 2: But I wanted to do an episode on Granny Henderson.
Speaker 2: And that was four years ago, and I really didn't
Speaker 2: know much about her at that time. I just knew
Speaker 2: what probably a lot of our Kansons know is just
Speaker 2: that you know, she lived on the Buffalo, she she
Speaker 2: had to leave. You know, I didn't know much, but
Speaker 2: I knew that that was a good story. And then
Speaker 2: the way that this all came about, and I just
Speaker 2: told I told Misty this just a little bit ago
Speaker 2: was I hadn't quite figured out the angle on it,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't even on my mind actually, But I
Speaker 2: was riding mules with Justin House, a friend of mine,
Speaker 2: friend of Misty's, over on the Buffalo River and just
Speaker 2: me and him were riding that day and for eight
Speaker 2: miles down the river. He was telling me stories of
Speaker 2: all the different home places and he knows it exceptionally well.
Speaker 2: Justin's a pretty young guy. I think he's like twenty
Speaker 2: six or something. And man, he knew just like every story,
Speaker 2: every home place, every every little detail of who owned
Speaker 2: the land that is now the Buffalo National River. So
Speaker 2: we're riding through, you know, just big woods, and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: there's a home place there, and he'd take me up
Speaker 2: and show me a barn or a footing of a
Speaker 2: house or this, or a smokehouse or And I came
Speaker 2: home that night and I told my daughter.
Speaker 1: River, who's on the last episode. I said, Man, da
Speaker 1: da da da da dada.
Speaker 2: I started telling about the river, and she said, you
Speaker 2: need to make a podcast about that, and I immediately did.
Speaker 1: Started.
Speaker 2: Some of these episodes were doing like the preparation really
Speaker 2: is is a year in the making, honestly, like and
Speaker 2: not that I researched something for a year, but.
Speaker 1: The next episode, that's serious, that's going to come out.
Speaker 1: I read the first book about that over a year
Speaker 1: ago and it just kind of stews. This one like came.
Speaker 2: Up quick, but it had been brewing for a long
Speaker 2: time and uh. And I was able to get in
Speaker 2: contact with the right people, one of which was Misty,
Speaker 2: and then Misty helped me get in touch with Jane Kilgore,
Speaker 2: who is Grant Henderson's granddaughter, and then uh, just just
Speaker 2: all the pieces fell in And I say all that
Speaker 2: to say, this episode to me is kind of like core.
Speaker 2: I feel like I love some of these that I
Speaker 2: don't know, they just they there's there's. I've been trying
Speaker 2: to figure out what it is I really like about
Speaker 2: certain stories, but this one's close to the top of
Speaker 2: the list, I think.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 1: But what's a what's a good way to to start
Speaker 1: talking about this?
Speaker 4: Misty, doctor misty?
Speaker 1: Okay, thanks for the help.
Speaker 4: I remember that. I remember that National Geographic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you really?
Speaker 9: My grandfather had all my life he had a subscription
Speaker 9: the National Geographic that was given to him for Christmas
Speaker 9: every year by my uncle, his his son, and I'm
Speaker 9: I'd love to get and my grandfather would.
Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 9: Not highly educated formerly, but very well educated, very well
Speaker 9: read man, very smart man, and he would read a
Speaker 9: National Geographic from cover to cover. Anything that he could
Speaker 9: pick up and read, if it was a popular mechanics
Speaker 9: or the instructions on how to build something, he read everything.
Speaker 9: And I tried to emulate that and read that, and
Speaker 9: I can remember that in US talking that National Geographic
Speaker 9: and another one that highlighted some stuff from where we
Speaker 9: were from in Bradley County. I remember talking to him
Speaker 9: about those, but that was one of them that I remember.
Speaker 4: I don't remember. I didn't remember Granny Henderson's name. I
Speaker 4: remember that from later on in life learning about it.
Speaker 4: But in seventy seven I would have been eleven years
Speaker 4: old and I remember that story.
Speaker 3: Amazing photographs. Yeah, I think they did a great job
Speaker 3: kind of capturing who she was and her lifestyle just
Speaker 3: by that handful of photographs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that portraits the little famous one, isn't it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a good one.
Speaker 2: Now, Misty, have you seen the other There's other photos
Speaker 2: I think from this photo shoot that weren't in this magazine.
Speaker 7: I've seen a few that I think Jane had let
Speaker 7: me look at, probably when I was a kid at church,
Speaker 7: that she she'd let me see a few. I have
Speaker 7: a few that she let me copy, and some of
Speaker 7: them have the National Geographic stamp on the back. And
Speaker 7: then there's some others. Blair Deetering did a book called
Speaker 7: Down the Compton Road, and it highlighted her. It highlighted
Speaker 7: ev and all of her neighbors, it's a really good
Speaker 7: Did I give you that one clay House? I think so.
Speaker 7: I think it's there on the bottom, and that's a
Speaker 7: black and white copy, but it's got all of her
Speaker 7: neighbors in it, and it's a really good. Yeah, Gertie
Speaker 7: stud of then you just passed her. That was EV's
Speaker 7: best friend. And there are a couple of oral history
Speaker 7: recordings that have the two of them together.
Speaker 2: Oh really those are camo.
Speaker 4: Ca Yeah, little Jones, what do you call them?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 7: Side note, My Grandpa Boyd, he always wore camouflage. I
Speaker 7: mean it was constant. That's all he ever wore. That
Speaker 7: was his uniform unless he went to church and then
Speaker 7: it was britches and a and a button up shirt.
Speaker 7: But I still have some of his coveralls that are
Speaker 7: the old pattern, the old cameo before they started getting
Speaker 7: the crew.
Speaker 1: Back in the day.
Speaker 2: That was pretty progressive though that camo probably first came
Speaker 2: out in the sixties and seventies. So Granny there'd be
Speaker 2: like Granny wearing like bottom land.
Speaker 8: First, like cash, she's got converses on it, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 8: also pretty good.
Speaker 7: I guarantee if somebody gave her that hat, and I'd
Speaker 7: love to know who gave it to her.
Speaker 2: I asked Jane if she still had that, and she
Speaker 2: said they didn't.
Speaker 7: Austin Williams is a great grandson of Ev and he
Speaker 7: called me after the first episode landed and he said
Speaker 7: that when he was a little boy and he would
Speaker 7: take her shirt that's in one of the pictures that
Speaker 7: they have to kindergarten to show and tail, and he
Speaker 7: showed all the kids at school, so anytime they would
Speaker 7: have a show and tail that he would bring something
Speaker 7: of his grandma's. I thought that was really.
Speaker 1: A sweet Josh, we're gonna play some trivia.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, we kind of we kind of have a ring.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the questions you want to do him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll do them. I'll do them.
Speaker 8: You already know the answers.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: The way this is gonna work is, uh, how about
Speaker 2: we just do the first person to.
Speaker 4: We kind of have a kind of have a ringer.
Speaker 7: I love trivia.
Speaker 4: Single the two of us out though.
Speaker 2: I think I think is fair game because because it's now,
Speaker 2: you didn't put.
Speaker 1: The answers on here, Josh, you knew the answers. I've
Speaker 1: already forgot that.
Speaker 5: That would be part of the game is Clay has
Speaker 5: to answer it to Oh, well.
Speaker 4: It's easy for you and I have to talk about
Speaker 4: this layer.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So the first person that blurted out
Speaker 2: gets the point. The person who wins gets something very special.
Speaker 7: You may want to turn me down because something.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 1: First question, how tall was Grannie Henderson? For seven for seven?
Speaker 4: I said that first.
Speaker 8: I said it before him was miss.
Speaker 5: That was it?
Speaker 1: She knows well according to Jane. According to the Jane Kilgoor,
Speaker 1: Granny was four foot seven.
Speaker 7: Then we go by Jane.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm telling you, I said.
Speaker 5: That was pickle first.
Speaker 8: The mustache speaks, Oh my goodness, take back?
Speaker 1: Who do you say? Brent stood by the by the
Speaker 1: camera man, judge.
Speaker 5: He doesn't even know how to say compass true?
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: Question number two, what was Granny's Indian remedy for stopping bleeding?
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 5: Sugar and sugar was I didn't know about the sugar
Speaker 5: got out of three?
Speaker 4: I don't know if that can.
Speaker 8: I got two for three.
Speaker 5: I did not know that one.
Speaker 1: Did you get it right?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 1: What was it?
Speaker 4: Sugar, sot and turpentine? That's right, right? Scores?
Speaker 1: Heero so much for me being a ringer. Yeah, oh
Speaker 1: I do. These questions are pretty they're they're pretty specific.
Speaker 4: I think Brent has some insider information. I can't believe
Speaker 4: I got.
Speaker 1: Well that Brett does have an incredible memory. Yeah he does.
Speaker 5: He probably could gauge your height from that picture in
Speaker 5: the magazine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she is right here you have answers written on
Speaker 4: the inside of ye.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. Question number three, how big was.
Speaker 4: One hundred and sixty seven acres?
Speaker 8: Was going on here?
Speaker 1: So big was Granny Henderson's farm?
Speaker 5: I think it's sixty seven.
Speaker 4: I was going to say seven, but that was for
Speaker 4: the you're going to say one, cause it was.
Speaker 7: A little over the one sixty that everybody used to
Speaker 7: get when they would do the Homestead Act. They everybody
Speaker 7: kind of would get one hundred and sixty, but it
Speaker 7: was a little bit more than that.
Speaker 2: It is sixty seven, is what is what we said
Speaker 2: in the episode. Yeah, and that's that was for the
Speaker 2: records that I found, one hundred and sixty seven acres.
Speaker 2: Next question, Now, there may have been something I got wrong.
Speaker 2: Was there farm bisected by the river? Did they own
Speaker 2: land on the other side of the river too?
Speaker 7: I don't know, Okay, I know that they owned. I
Speaker 7: know that one side of their place, the river goes right,
Speaker 7: you know, right along it, and I would think that
Speaker 7: they probably had to afford it. I mean, that's a
Speaker 7: Jane question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, for sure it was. My understanding was that
Speaker 2: it was bisected. But it's possible. I got that mixed up.
Speaker 1: With Jane's Famili's farm because their farm they had, yeah
Speaker 1: stuff on the other they had like crops and gardens
Speaker 1: on the other side of the river. Said the cross
Speaker 1: the river to go to their gardens.
Speaker 7: And that was really really common because landlines didn't really
Speaker 7: mean a lot back then. That land was so unused
Speaker 7: and a lot of people considered it worthless. It was
Speaker 7: really cheap land. In certain places it is so rugged.
Speaker 7: I mean, people think they're going to go there and farm.
Speaker 7: You can't crop, you know, you can't road crop or
Speaker 7: anything there. But people would take up somebody else's homestead
Speaker 7: and just work the land. And when those people came
Speaker 7: back any improvements or anything that they had made, the
Speaker 7: people that had built it, they would get paid for
Speaker 7: it from the land owner and they just move off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and they.
Speaker 7: Called it floating. They would float from one place to
Speaker 7: the other just use what would right, but use what
Speaker 7: was just laying, you know, follow and they would take
Speaker 7: it up and work it. And then when the people
Speaker 7: that owned it come back, if they ever came back,
Speaker 7: they would just you know, scoot over give it back.
Speaker 2: It's so interesting to me that what years ago, when
Speaker 2: people were making a living off the land was very
Speaker 2: non valuable land now has value basically because of recreation.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the story all over the country. I mean,
Speaker 2: all this mountain land around here in the Appalachians. I
Speaker 2: mean that you couldn't give it away, you know, seventy
Speaker 2: five years ago, and a.
Speaker 7: Lot of people did give it away. And I talked
Speaker 7: to one fellow and he said that his I think
Speaker 7: when he bought it, it was twelve dollars an acre. And
Speaker 7: that wasn't back in the twenties or the thirties, you know,
Speaker 7: it was. It was maybe the fifties. But a lot
Speaker 7: of people moved when when they started seeing that a
Speaker 7: living could be made without literally killing yourself. The people
Speaker 7: that wanted an easier life, they moved off. A lot
Speaker 7: of people went to Kansas City. But then the ones
Speaker 7: that wanted a farm and stayed, you know, they just
Speaker 7: they they stayed and it was rough, but the land
Speaker 7: wasn't worth much. And now you know it's insane. If
Speaker 7: you try to buy land in Newton County, you'll you'll
Speaker 7: find out it's not twelve dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. Okay, Question number four, what year.
Speaker 4: And what.
Speaker 1: Relationship? Okay, what year was that?
Speaker 2: Don't don't blurt out the answer until I'm done with
Speaker 2: the question, because this is a two part question.
Speaker 1: What and you can't answer, Josh, I can't. I mean,
Speaker 1: you already know the question.
Speaker 3: The only reason I know it's because I listened to
Speaker 3: the podcasts well and nobody told me that.
Speaker 1: Okay, two part question. Don't answer until till I slapped
Speaker 1: the table.
Speaker 4: Okay, until you bleep?
Speaker 1: What what year.
Speaker 2: Did was the land purchased that Granny Henderson ended up
Speaker 2: selling to the park and what family member bought it?
Speaker 5: He hadn't slapped the table yet. It's pick nineteen o
Speaker 5: five and nineteen oh five.
Speaker 1: Nineteen oh five was corrected. What'd you say?
Speaker 4: Nineteen oh three?
Speaker 9: Oh and her mama, that's the first time she looked
Speaker 9: at it was nineteen oh three?
Speaker 1: Missing did you did you the dates?
Speaker 2: I heard a lot of different dates on that, but
Speaker 2: from based on the interview with Granny when she said
Speaker 2: her mother bought it nineteen oh five, she was Granny
Speaker 2: was married when she was sixteen years old, and so
Speaker 2: I did the math, which would have.
Speaker 1: Been like.
Speaker 2: Nineteen oh nine or something, because she was born in
Speaker 2: eighteen ninety two. I don't remember actual birthday, but I
Speaker 2: didn't ever know that. But and then they moved on
Speaker 2: to that land two years after she was married.
Speaker 7: Did you know, two years after she oh her and Frank, Yeah,
Speaker 7: moved back on to that Was that.
Speaker 2: What you well, the sequence was her mother bought it
Speaker 2: in nineteen oh five when Granny was thirteen.
Speaker 1: Three years later nineteen oh eight. She was married to
Speaker 1: Frank when she was sixteen, and she said in an
Speaker 1: interview that two years after they got married they moved
Speaker 1: on to that one hundred and sixty seven acres.
Speaker 7: It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't move either in
Speaker 7: with her mother or build another house. I don't know
Speaker 7: when her mother passed, but people, you know, multi generational
Speaker 7: families were common, very common, So it wouldn't surprise me
Speaker 7: at all if they hadn't moved in with her mother.
Speaker 7: And I'm just spitballing here. I'm not sure, but that
Speaker 7: goes back to that thing of people kind of taking
Speaker 7: up land. They may have moved, there's no telling where
Speaker 7: they may have been living. They may have been living
Speaker 7: in a weening house that was just right close and
Speaker 7: then moved in with her. I'm just not sure.
Speaker 2: Well, because I read in a lot of the books
Speaker 2: said that she that she built that house in nineteen
Speaker 2: oh five, which I mean based on what Granny said,
Speaker 2: I don't think that. I think I don't think these
Speaker 2: people are doing their research.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 7: It's pretty common to get different stories, you know, you
Speaker 7: really have to with dealing with things this far back.
Speaker 7: You really have to do a lot of digging. You
Speaker 7: might even talk to the saint the family and get
Speaker 7: two different storm.
Speaker 2: Well, or maybe I'm wrong. In the house what was
Speaker 2: built in nineteen oh five and they didn't move into
Speaker 2: it until nineteen thirteen, because by by my calculations, nineteen
Speaker 2: thirteen is when they would have moved on to that land.
Speaker 2: Her in Frank her family owned it since though five.
Speaker 7: I would think that the Park Service would probably be
Speaker 7: a really good place to look because when they did
Speaker 7: a lot of the inventory and the allocation for that
Speaker 7: for the home sites. They did their you know, they
Speaker 7: did their research on that, so they may very well
Speaker 7: have a date built. I know in the nineties they
Speaker 7: did some work on it and did a kind of
Speaker 7: a revamp. I've seen the photos of that through the
Speaker 7: park archives, and so in the nineties were the last
Speaker 7: time that they had done, you know, real substantial work
Speaker 7: on it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, okay, last question, what's the score?
Speaker 4: Branch three and he's got one.
Speaker 1: Three to one zero zero, lot of zero.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 2: Well, actually, maybe a couple of other questions after this. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is a two part question. Don't answer until you
Speaker 2: hear the grunt. Two part question. Don't answer it. Which
Speaker 2: which president was Granny Henderson related to what year did
Speaker 2: he become president?
Speaker 4: The boom bom bomb app.
Speaker 1: And what relation was Granny to this president?
Speaker 8: Great niece Buchanan eighteen sixty four, Oh lord, okay, we'll
Speaker 8: extract we'll extract us the Buchanan Granny's mother the great niece.
Speaker 7: No, I think I think ev was she was the
Speaker 7: great niece. Maybe her daughter was the niece.
Speaker 1: I think Granny said.
Speaker 2: I think Granny said her mother was the great president Buchanan.
Speaker 4: That's great.
Speaker 9: She would have been the great great niece and it
Speaker 9: was Buchanan. But I can tell you that you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. So who got that one?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: I think we all know nobody two for three? But
Speaker 1: you said great name.
Speaker 8: And I was one year off on his presidency.
Speaker 1: Wow, for real?
Speaker 7: Sixty five after I said.
Speaker 8: Sixty two, didn't I Oh, I was worried way more
Speaker 8: than one year old.
Speaker 1: Okay, great job guys, Brent, you w in. Congratulations, you
Speaker 1: get something. You're gonna get something really special.
Speaker 4: Here we go.
Speaker 2: Uh, like you've met you were unfamiliar with this story.
Speaker 2: What were your impressions?
Speaker 5: I was about as conflicted as a human could be
Speaker 5: at the end of it. I mean because obviously, I
Speaker 5: mean it's stuff that you hit on yourself in that podcast.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: It's like, obviously we see the value in national parks,
Speaker 5: especially working for you know, on X and being just
Speaker 5: really you know, very a big supporter of public access. Right,
Speaker 5: But then there's the whole side with all those people
Speaker 5: that lost their homes and Granny story, and you just
Speaker 5: can't help but sympathize with them. And I guess where
Speaker 5: my head was. It's like, you just wish they're even
Speaker 5: if a happy medium was possible, I don't think there
Speaker 5: was one, but there's just there's definitely things in there
Speaker 5: that you just could have been handled different like I
Speaker 5: think probably one of the most like sympathy, like where
Speaker 5: I felt the most sympathy or was the story about
Speaker 5: when the woman wanted to go back to her old
Speaker 5: home place just to see it, and she was ninety
Speaker 5: six and they were.
Speaker 1: Wanted her to write a mule.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one of my favorite parts when Jane
Speaker 2: said she can't write a mule.
Speaker 7: Have you have you seen the photos of them taking
Speaker 7: her down the river in a raft?
Speaker 1: No? No, I saw your your video of taking They
Speaker 1: used to take.
Speaker 7: Arby Jane's mother, the one you were referencing. They took
Speaker 7: her and they would put she was so frail and
Speaker 7: so cold. They would put a bean bag in the
Speaker 7: middle of a raft and make a big nest for her.
Speaker 7: And she was a frail, little, tiny woman and they
Speaker 7: would just set her in there. And I've seen photos
Speaker 7: of them, you know, all hanging off the side of
Speaker 7: the raft and then there's a little Arby in the middle,
Speaker 7: and that's how they would take her.
Speaker 5: To see her family sit and just out. The human
Speaker 5: side of you is like I understand that that's the rule,
Speaker 5: but just make an exception. Man, you know it just did.
Speaker 5: But that's how Yeah, the end of that podcast, it
Speaker 5: was just like it's just tough one conflicting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, I.
Speaker 2: Mean we we've said it, like the the national the
Speaker 2: idea for national parks and setting aside beautiful, pristine wild
Speaker 2: places in America. It was really American genius. Like if
Speaker 2: you just look back at all the things that our
Speaker 2: government has done that we now are like like.
Speaker 1: Thank god they did that.
Speaker 2: That's one of them. But the conflicted part is that
Speaker 2: it costs people something. And that's really the core of
Speaker 2: this whole story is that the things that we love
Speaker 2: cost somebody a lot.
Speaker 1: And uh, and yeah, there's really no answer.
Speaker 2: I mean it's not like we can go back and
Speaker 2: give it to the give the land back, or even
Speaker 2: that that would be a good idea.
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's probably not a good idea.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 9: Everybody can agree that sometimes somebody has to take one
Speaker 9: for the team, unless you're the guy that's taking it. Yeah,
Speaker 9: that's when it's hard. It's hard to understand that. And
Speaker 9: I spent a lot of time years ago up there
Speaker 9: in that area it just enjoying the not just the scenery,
Speaker 9: but the land. And we made we'd camp and we'd
Speaker 9: make tea from a spring right there beside us where
Speaker 9: was at? And you think, man, I'm so glad to
Speaker 9: be here. Now, I'll think back after hearing this story,
Speaker 9: even being somewhat familiar with it over the years. Now
Speaker 9: I think that gun, you know, maybe I was in
Speaker 9: somebody's pasture, or I was in somebody else's barn, lock
Speaker 9: were on per was and you just think, there's there's
Speaker 9: always there's always been somebody there before you. And how
Speaker 9: that came about is what is the biggest problem. And
Speaker 9: we talked about that on the last render when clay
Speaker 9: Bow was when you wouldn't hear was It's hard to
Speaker 9: think about something someplace that you enjoy so much without
Speaker 9: now thinking about how it was before and how and
Speaker 9: how it came about. You can't think about how good
Speaker 9: it was without thinking how bad it was for somebody else.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well and then and then I mean, this
Speaker 2: thing can keep rolling back too, to the displacement of
Speaker 2: Native America.
Speaker 4: Sure, you know, it's like we said that too.
Speaker 9: You know, they wasn't the first folks there, and the
Speaker 9: last Native Americans had it before we get there. They
Speaker 9: wasn't the first somebody else got They got it from
Speaker 9: somebody else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, so the thing could just
Speaker 2: like keep keep rolling back, Kyle?
Speaker 1: What stood out to you man.
Speaker 6: There towards the end you were talking about if if
Speaker 6: the timing had been a little bit different, didn't seem
Speaker 6: like the dam was coming that got pushed back, Did
Speaker 6: we really have to make it a national river?
Speaker 4: That shoot out to me, because I don't think I've
Speaker 4: ever heard that right.
Speaker 6: You know, I was familiar with the story of the Buffalo,
Speaker 6: growing up, floating the buffalo and around it. I was
Speaker 6: kind of in the early eras of the save the
Speaker 6: Buffalo stuff with the pig farms and the you know,
Speaker 6: we're getting water qualities bad and all of that. So
Speaker 6: I knew it as a this is the gem of Arkansas,
Speaker 6: the crown jewel. Got to save it from getting ruined
Speaker 6: by a tourist or beer cans or hog feces whatever
Speaker 6: else that was a problem. So I had this idea
Speaker 6: that it was this pristine, perfect kind of hallowed ground
Speaker 6: right where it's always been Arkansas's crown jewel. We've always
Speaker 6: kind of deserved to have it. It's what puts our
Speaker 6: state on the map a little bit. So we enjoy it.
Speaker 6: We're supposed to enjoy it, that kind of thing. And
Speaker 6: didn't realize that there was any conflict around it until
Speaker 6: we went and talked with Misty last fall about the
Speaker 6: potential redesignation. And I will probably talk about that here
Speaker 6: in a bit, but the redesignation and kind of the
Speaker 6: fight to change it to something different and all of that,
Speaker 6: and and what that could mean for the river. And
Speaker 6: so I've just it's for the last year or so
Speaker 6: been thinking on it in the Buffalo River, but did
Speaker 6: not know that fact that there was a potential that
Speaker 6: it wasn't going to become a national river in the
Speaker 6: first place, which.
Speaker 4: That just has a lot of implications.
Speaker 2: Well, now, Missy, did you know did you know that?
Speaker 2: Had you ever heard that sequence like that? If they
Speaker 2: because they saved the Buffalo people, a big part of
Speaker 2: their what they said was that we're saving it from
Speaker 2: being damned, and to do that, we have to turn
Speaker 2: it into a national park.
Speaker 7: From my research, and that this is and I'm not
Speaker 7: talking about academic research, just talking to folks. The word
Speaker 7: on the street is is that we were about two
Speaker 7: decades out away from it being damned. So for twenty
Speaker 7: years we didn't mean everybody thought, well that that miss
Speaker 7: is over, the dam and mess is over, and we're
Speaker 7: just going to keep going the way that we're going.
Speaker 7: And everybody would talk about a park, but we all
Speaker 7: just thought it was taught because the dam didn't materialize,
Speaker 7: so why would the park materialize? But we always thought
Speaker 7: it was about twenty years past damning.
Speaker 1: So that threat was gone by the seventies.
Speaker 4: Gone.
Speaker 7: Yeah, actually by the some people say decades, but I honestly,
Speaker 7: I think by the sixties. That's for me, that's my cutoff.
Speaker 7: I feel like that by the sixties.
Speaker 1: They knew that they knew that.
Speaker 7: Nothing was going to happen, and I think that that
Speaker 7: push had kind of backed off and there were more
Speaker 7: conservationists and they didn't want to damn certain places because
Speaker 7: of that. I think maybe they learned a little bit,
Speaker 7: maybe they didn't, But for me, I always feel like
Speaker 7: by the sixties that was kind of over. Now you
Speaker 7: can find stuff, I'm sure to prove me wrong, But
Speaker 7: as far as the locals go. That's kind of what
Speaker 7: I've always been taught and heard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what did for the people that would have
Speaker 1: heard the name doctor Neil Compton? Do you think I
Speaker 1: treated him fairly.
Speaker 7: For myself, I own my family, and growing up, I
Speaker 7: always had kind of that he was kind of the boogeyman,
Speaker 7: you know, in our community. However, I get to talk
Speaker 7: to all kinds of people. And I was talking to
Speaker 7: a neighbor of mine, and she's not a generational local,
Speaker 7: but she is local. They some of the back to
Speaker 7: the Landers, and they were from the Fayetteville area, and
Speaker 7: she said that doctor Compton took care of her grandfather
Speaker 7: and he met her somewhere I don't know how to
Speaker 7: market or something, and he spoke to her and she
Speaker 7: introduced herself and he said the last name, and he
Speaker 7: said her grandfather's name, and he remembered caring for him.
Speaker 7: And this had been years ago, in it meant so
Speaker 7: much to her, And I think that goes to all
Speaker 7: the things that we've talked about in this series. Whether
Speaker 7: it's the park Service, whether it's Neil Compton, whether it's
Speaker 7: the locals. Whatever. You can't do black and white. There's
Speaker 7: a lot of gray in there. There's a lot of
Speaker 7: really good people that do things that I'm going to
Speaker 7: think is bad, and there's a lot of really bad
Speaker 7: people that are ever now and then going to have
Speaker 7: a good day. Yeah, And you know, you have to
Speaker 7: look at it not as somebody's a total villain or
Speaker 7: somebody's a total hero. You've got to kind of wade
Speaker 7: around in that middle ground a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, it was the first time that I would have well,
Speaker 2: I would have just known Neil Compton as kind of
Speaker 2: the father of the Buffalo River, which you know, in
Speaker 2: his book the foreword of his book, Ken Smith said
Speaker 2: like John Muir is of Yosemite. And when he said that,
Speaker 2: I was like, ah, I get it. That's kind of
Speaker 2: the way I viewed him.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all this story kind of put him in a
Speaker 2: little different light, and I really went out of my
Speaker 2: way to not villainize the guy, because there there are
Speaker 2: people that like are to this day in this area,
Speaker 2: like students of Neil Compton, you know, just like his
Speaker 2: environmental any kind of his conservation legacy and and uh
Speaker 2: and those are Society is still an organization as I
Speaker 2: understand it, that's still going on today.
Speaker 4: But I did.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It was interesting going to Newton County and hearing people
Speaker 2: like you said, like he was kind of the boogeyman
Speaker 2: and uh and yeah that forward that I read when
Speaker 2: it said, uh where Ken Smith uh said all over
Speaker 2: the United States there are conservation or there there where parks.
Speaker 1: Are being.
Speaker 2: Designated and whatnot. It's always the same. It's it's the locals,
Speaker 2: which he called exploiters, and the outsiders, which he called
Speaker 2: preservation and people who have see the land it's like
Speaker 2: a spiritual, you know, place of renewal. And like clearly
Speaker 2: he was an outsider and they were coming to this
Speaker 2: place and uh and and basically calling anybody that didn't
Speaker 2: want to preserve it as as a local exploiter trying
Speaker 2: to have like personal gain.
Speaker 7: Well, in order to gain traction, you have to have
Speaker 7: a bad guy, and you have to have you know,
Speaker 7: you have to have the guy in the black hat
Speaker 7: and the guy in the white hat that's going to
Speaker 7: come and save the day. And so you kind of
Speaker 7: have to have a somebody that you're wanting to if
Speaker 7: the if the popular opinion is going to be we
Speaker 7: need to do this at this cost. You've got to
Speaker 7: make somebody the bad guy, somebody's got to lose.
Speaker 3: Well, it didn't seem like there was a guy in
Speaker 3: a white hat in this situation.
Speaker 7: Well, I think the foreword of Battle for the Buffalo
Speaker 7: may suggest that a lot of people thought there was
Speaker 7: a guy in a white hat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think at that time those people
Speaker 3: would have thought the government were their guy in the
Speaker 3: white hat, right, I mean, the government would protect them.
Speaker 6: And or if I can interject it, just knowing some
Speaker 6: of the history, it feels like there's the bad guy.
Speaker 4: Is the core of engineers even.
Speaker 1: If he wasn't gonna be they wanted to.
Speaker 6: If there wasn't a threat, But it seems like they
Speaker 6: carry the threat enough just to keep the story going.
Speaker 6: So if the core of engineers are the bad guy,
Speaker 6: then you have doctor Neil Compton for everybody who's not
Speaker 6: on the Buffalo but in the greater Arkansas areas like,
Speaker 6: that's a good guy.
Speaker 4: He's the hero's.
Speaker 7: Which is the majority of thee Yeah.
Speaker 6: And then the people who are caught up in it,
Speaker 6: I mean they're posed as they're the ignorant heibilities who
Speaker 6: don't know what they have, right, It's.
Speaker 7: Like they can't manage what they have.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're the in the Robinhood story, they're the ones
Speaker 6: who are they need the help kind of thing. And
Speaker 6: like it's easy to tell a story that way and
Speaker 6: not let it be complicated as it should be.
Speaker 8: And so that's my problem with the with the whole
Speaker 8: narrative and even some of the quotes that Clay read
Speaker 8: me from from the book. Again, I don't think he's
Speaker 8: a I don't think he's a terrible person, But I
Speaker 8: think it's very easy to discount people and to label
Speaker 8: them as exploiters. When you think about a woman like
Speaker 8: Granny Henderson who's staying till the very end, and because
Speaker 8: of her connection to the land, because of her connection
Speaker 8: to the place, it's very difficult to say she's an exploiter.
Speaker 8: It's very difficult to say to describe her in those terms.
Speaker 8: And it's almost like they didn't see the way that
Speaker 8: the land was used as a preservation of the land,
Speaker 8: as a connection to the land's They just didn't see
Speaker 8: them at all. And I think that's too common a story.
Speaker 2: I mean, in that damn building era, which was also
Speaker 2: an era in this country when they were making a
Speaker 2: ton of national parks, man, you just better hope that
Speaker 2: your place isn't in the crosshairs because there was no
Speaker 2: room for.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just one of those things.
Speaker 2: It really, as I boil the story down, it literally
Speaker 2: is just the cost of living in a nation that
Speaker 2: is that has what we have. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 2: like that there was there's no gray area. I mean,
Speaker 2: they didn't leave Granny a spot in the National Park
Speaker 2: because she was a wonderful, nice lady, you know, and
Speaker 2: and and they just couldn't do that. And it's, uh,
Speaker 2: it's just one of those conundrums, or we're gonna say.
Speaker 7: This, Well, it's not unlike the interstate system either. You know,
Speaker 7: when you start thinking of eminent domain throughout the United States,
Speaker 7: you know, you're always at the whim of somebody else
Speaker 7: wanting what you have or your area, not not so
Speaker 7: much just coming and taking your belongings, but but your land.
Speaker 7: So if you fall in, you know, in the crosshairs
Speaker 7: of somebody's project, that's that's a precarious place to be.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, how bad is it that those folks were
Speaker 9: actually the epitome of what the American dream is exactly?
Speaker 9: They were settled in a place that they were taking
Speaker 9: care of and living and taking care of their family
Speaker 9: and doing exactly the thing of westward expansion of what
Speaker 9: the goverden and said, this is a good thing for
Speaker 9: y'all to do. Go out here and settle these places
Speaker 9: that that are supposedly uninhabitable. And then they go out
Speaker 9: there and they do that, and then there they they
Speaker 9: stayed there and they're successful to doing it. Regardless of
Speaker 9: the little of success, they're still there and they're doing it,
Speaker 9: and they're taking care of themself and they're raising kids
Speaker 9: and cows and they're doing and if they're doing what
Speaker 9: they're supposed to do, then they came in and said, well,
Speaker 9: you did a great job, but you're exploiting the land.
Speaker 4: Get off.
Speaker 5: Yeah, get labeled as exploiter after all that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, that's that was the toughest pill for me
Speaker 4: to swamp. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, missy, I'm asking I'm gonna ask you the same
Speaker 2: thing I asked these two guys.
Speaker 1: You've already chimed in. Uh is that mean?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 1: It's okay? Is it me? Who is it? It might be? Uh,
Speaker 1: it might be somebody.
Speaker 4: I can't even.
Speaker 1: Find my phone. No, it's me and I can't find
Speaker 1: it that's all right, that's all right, he would.
Speaker 7: Talk to that was I probably shouldn't say who that was.
Speaker 1: Missy when you, like I said, when I made this
Speaker 1: podcast and put it out to the world, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I hope Missy's okay with this?
Speaker 2: What what did you think? Any criticisms, anything that got wrong.
Speaker 1: That you'd like to talk about or just or what
Speaker 1: what impact you what you liked.
Speaker 7: I think it came together really well. I think it
Speaker 7: told e f story so that people could could put
Speaker 7: a face on the displacement. With her being the very
Speaker 7: last person, I mean, that goes to show you how
Speaker 7: determined she was to stay. You know, if she could
Speaker 7: have eked out a you know some more times, she
Speaker 7: would have.
Speaker 2: Let me stop you right there and forgive me for
Speaker 2: being a hog here on the host. I was she
Speaker 2: the last person? I contradicted myself because at one time
Speaker 2: I said, like the latter in the In the process
Speaker 2: of the several weeks I had towards the end, I
Speaker 2: found that I thought I read that she was one
Speaker 2: of the last.
Speaker 7: It's my understanding she was the last, okay, and that
Speaker 7: was in it. And I could be wrong, but especially
Speaker 7: because I only deal kind of with my area. I
Speaker 7: don't know a lot about the middle and the lower River,
Speaker 7: Upper River is kind of As a matter of fact,
Speaker 7: I don't even know a lot about the Hasty Carver area.
Speaker 7: You know, I'm more upriver. We all kind of tend
Speaker 7: to our own. I've got a friend I've never floated
Speaker 7: even past Carver ever in my life, and they were like,
Speaker 7: good lord, what kind of representative of the Buffalo are you?
Speaker 7: But we tend to our own, you don't, I don't get.
Speaker 1: Out of my territory. Well, it's to me, it's always
Speaker 1: been said that she was the last.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then when I was doing the research, I read
Speaker 2: where maybe there was some other people way down river
Speaker 2: that were still there when she was there. Well, they
Speaker 2: certainly I could just find a definitive answer.
Speaker 1: So I didn't know if you knew. So okay, I
Speaker 1: don't know for asking you that, No, continue on with.
Speaker 7: The Only thing that I wish I had done better
Speaker 7: was give a more rounded opinion of the park from
Speaker 7: my own opinion. I gave you a lot of what
Speaker 7: I hear. Because of the work that I do with
Speaker 7: the Remnants Project, I interview families who tell me their
Speaker 7: displacement stories, right, and then then all of my community
Speaker 7: already knows these stories. There's a lot of people that
Speaker 7: are just now hearing them and learning about them. But
Speaker 7: for our people, we know them real well, and I
Speaker 7: think that I should have you know, let you know
Speaker 7: how my dad worked for the park and how in
Speaker 7: the nineties that was such a tight group of workers there,
Speaker 7: the whole park worked together, and they were just a
Speaker 7: huge part of our community. You know, they went to
Speaker 7: our schools, our churches. I babysat for every park ranger.
Speaker 7: I think that ever lived at Steel Creek and my
Speaker 7: mom before me, and my greatest wish for the park
Speaker 7: would be that the Buffalo National River could be funded
Speaker 7: in all of the National parks and park properties could
Speaker 7: be funded by Congress and afford to run in the
Speaker 7: way and maintain what they have. That would be a
Speaker 7: dream coming true because we're not going to get that.
Speaker 7: Nobody's getting their land back. We don't even think that's
Speaker 7: a notion. But I think for people like Sonny Boy
Speaker 7: or Willard that if they just tended it a little better, well,
Speaker 7: they can't tend it if they don't have the funds
Speaker 7: for it. And so you know, I'm the last person
Speaker 7: that's going to say they're anti park because they're my neighbors.
Speaker 7: We have a pretty good relationship with them, I feel like,
Speaker 7: and I think there are some of the best people
Speaker 7: that I know that work at the park still to
Speaker 7: this day. But you can't expect people to work for nothing.
Speaker 7: You know, people have a job and they get paid
Speaker 7: for it. And when they cut back so much of
Speaker 7: the facilities, you know, the access areas, things like that
Speaker 7: that they just can't maintain because they don't have funding,
Speaker 7: that's that's something that the country as a nation. That's
Speaker 7: something we need to address. But I think that would
Speaker 7: make people feel a little bit better if it looked
Speaker 7: more like it used to, or if the locals felt
Speaker 7: like that they were tending to it, you know, letting
Speaker 7: something go into you know, a dismal state that's hard
Speaker 7: for for local people to tolerate. You know, they want
Speaker 7: to see it, and you're.
Speaker 2: Looking particularly talking about the historic structures, and the structures
Speaker 2: some of them are just like falling down.
Speaker 7: Right, and even even at ev Henderson's place. I don't
Speaker 7: know when you I don't know if you've seen photos
Speaker 7: or not, but right now, all you've got pretty much
Speaker 7: is the house, and then there's the cellar, and then
Speaker 7: there's the trail that goes along. Back when I was
Speaker 7: a kid, the whole front yard of hers that went
Speaker 7: I don't know how many acres it was all still
Speaker 7: cleared off, and the park kept it cleared off. They
Speaker 7: mowed it. That was part of my dad's job. And
Speaker 7: they had the big fruit trees were all still there.
Speaker 7: We would ride our horses up and get you know,
Speaker 7: pears and things off of the trees, and so it was.
Speaker 7: It was well tended as a As a it looked
Speaker 7: like a farmstead. Still, it wasn't just the house. And
Speaker 7: I think that that kind of management lended itself to
Speaker 7: a better view from the locals than then things falling into.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a there's a photo I put it on
Speaker 1: my Instagram of Granny on her porch and you could
Speaker 1: see off into a big meadow. You could see the
Speaker 1: bluffs on the river on the other side of the river.
Speaker 1: And today when you stand on that porch, I probably
Speaker 1: post a video of me and Willard blinds at that house.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just I don't think you.
Speaker 7: Could see six feet.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's immediate. It's just yeah, growing up.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And when you look at some of the books
Speaker 7: of and I can't remember which one it is, I
Speaker 7: think it's won by Neil Compton. It talks about the
Speaker 7: pastoral views and the pastoral areas of the river. Well,
Speaker 7: those are those are no more because they're not maintained.
Speaker 7: That doesn't take very long for stuff to get Willy.
Speaker 9: Did that become part of the mission to just let
Speaker 9: nature reclaim.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a part of the it was a part
Speaker 2: of Technically that is is that wilderness.
Speaker 7: It is a wilderness. It is it is in the
Speaker 7: wilderness area. However, it depends on which superintendent you have.
Speaker 7: Superintendents can make sweeping changes within a park, and I
Speaker 7: wasn't aware of that until we lost our last superintendent
Speaker 7: because I was asking about the new one and you know, yes, yeah,
Speaker 7: And I've heard through the grapevine that she has got
Speaker 7: kind of a place in her administration for the historic
Speaker 7: places that she is maybe bringing somebody on board that
Speaker 7: deals specifically with that, and any maintenance or maintaining goes
Speaker 7: through that employee. So I think that's a great effort.
Speaker 7: But depending on which superintendent was in charge would kind
Speaker 7: of depend on how things looked and when my dad
Speaker 7: worked there, and when that was maintained, I believe it
Speaker 7: was Jack Lanahan was the superintendent at that point and
Speaker 7: there were things done that maybe the next superintendent didn't
Speaker 7: like it managed that way. But I know a lot
Speaker 7: of people wanted it to be to look just like
Speaker 7: it did when everybody left, and for a long time
Speaker 7: it did. We have aerial photos that prove, you know,
Speaker 7: how long it took for things to grow up, but
Speaker 7: when it did, you know, it's just it's just greenbro.
Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: The study on successionary plants in the st Yes, it
Speaker 2: is like how things regrow. Yeah, lot of cedar groves
Speaker 2: that used to be pastures where the eastern red cedar
Speaker 2: would grow up.
Speaker 1: Uh, Misty, what was your favorite part?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 8: My favorite part, man, I really I did. I really
Speaker 8: enjoyed hearing Jane Gilbert talking about her her her grandma.
Speaker 8: I loved how you had that recording of her showing
Speaker 8: up in the seventies asking where the where the spring
Speaker 8: was and then you fast forward and you hear a voice.
Speaker 8: Now that was super awesome.
Speaker 1: You were the first one that before I listened to
Speaker 1: the episode. You Uh you you were like Jane shows up.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's that was the you know, I've got
Speaker 7: several audio I've got several audios of e F and
Speaker 7: that was the one I wanted to give you because
Speaker 7: then we were I was trying to get you in
Speaker 7: with Jane and and uh and so yeah, it worked
Speaker 7: out really good. But I thought that was really sweet
Speaker 7: to hear it because I don't remember her Jane's young voice.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: You know, as you grow up, you just forget how
Speaker 7: people sound, and it was really nice to hear her
Speaker 7: young voice.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to interrupt you.
Speaker 8: No, that's fine, that's fine. That's just that was my
Speaker 8: favorite part. And and just everything about Jane Kilgort. You know,
Speaker 8: she's a character. You didn't really talk about it, but
Speaker 8: she's a big hunter. Yeah, I mean, she's a she's
Speaker 8: a she's she's a character. She's and you can she's
Speaker 8: kind of see that same that same thing in Granny
Speaker 8: Henderson and her yea, and I love it.
Speaker 2: Did I made note of it in the podcast, but
Speaker 2: always listening stuff like this. So Granny is sitting there
Speaker 2: talking to a National Park Service, uh employee or you know,
Speaker 2: historian like she she's probably in a pretty uncomfortable situation.
Speaker 2: She didn't seem uncomfortable. But just if you're being interviewed
Speaker 2: and there's a there was a video camera. What I
Speaker 2: learned is that that interview was videoed, and so she's
Speaker 2: she's probably talking in like her most proper voice, and
Speaker 2: then when Jane comes up, she's like, I'll tell you, Jane,
Speaker 2: down there on the down on the creek, you can
Speaker 2: hunt it and we can find it and you cross
Speaker 2: the ford.
Speaker 1: You know, she she I heard it. Yeah, that's she
Speaker 1: totally changed her dialect when she was talking to Jane.
Speaker 7: I heard that little bit of like the Lord, you
Speaker 7: ought to.
Speaker 1: Know that you can't help but find it.
Speaker 7: But now Dwight Pakaithley was the interviewer and at that
Speaker 7: time he that was before he was actually the historian,
Speaker 7: so he was doing that just as a college kid
Speaker 7: from Texas Tech, and he was there to record her,
Speaker 7: and he he did record several oral histories with other folks.
Speaker 7: And it's funny because I think it was Jane that
Speaker 7: mentioned sometimes she would talk to folks and sometimes she wouldn't.
Speaker 7: She would suss people out and if they passed her
Speaker 7: her smell test, then she'd sit down and visit with them.
Speaker 7: And people would return, you know, people they became her friends,
Speaker 7: and and so I think Dwight was definitely one of
Speaker 7: those people that was in her kind of trusted little
Speaker 7: circle of strangers that she met.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad he kept the interview on when they
Speaker 2: were interrupted, like you'd have been attempted to turn it
Speaker 2: off or something, because in the moment, you wouldn't have
Speaker 2: realized that that would be something that fifty years later.
Speaker 1: Would be valuable. You know, it just would have been
Speaker 1: just like a random interaction.
Speaker 7: And I warned you about the roosters.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yeah you did.
Speaker 8: They were very very well.
Speaker 5: Recorded, the roosters.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's another part of the interview where the hogs
Speaker 2: come up.
Speaker 1: This is not a joke.
Speaker 2: The hogs come up and she's answering a serious question
Speaker 2: by this interviewer. They're like, I don't They're talking about
Speaker 2: something legitimately serious, and you hear it's like roote, and
Speaker 2: it gets closer and closer and closer, and it feels
Speaker 2: like it's right under the porch, and you hear just
Speaker 2: us to the point that the interviewer goes, you sure
Speaker 2: have a.
Speaker 1: Lot of pigs, like you kind of like has to
Speaker 1: like address it, and she goes, uh.
Speaker 2: She goes, that's a sound with a left piglets. And
Speaker 2: then he was like, what are you gonna do with those?
Speaker 2: And she said, I guess I'm just gonna give him
Speaker 2: away and she talks about the pigs. But it was
Speaker 2: like chaos, just like but.
Speaker 5: All that though the here and actually getting to hear
Speaker 5: her voice and the roofs and every bit of that.
Speaker 5: For me, especially not again not having any attachment to
Speaker 5: the story, it was another layer of humanizing.
Speaker 1: All of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because even you know, even if you didn't have
Speaker 5: a picture of her to look at, you know, you're
Speaker 5: just kind of hearing this story, you still get attached
Speaker 5: to it. But actually getting to hear it it was
Speaker 5: you could connect to it better and.
Speaker 7: You could put your mamma's face that voice exactly.
Speaker 3: That's That's the thing that I really picked up on
Speaker 3: is we were really close with Christie's my wife, Christie's grandmother,
Speaker 3: and I think about she she lived in her house
Speaker 3: for you know, decades and decades, and it was I mean,
Speaker 3: really it was just kind of a shack, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, just a shack and rule Oklahoma, Oklahoma
Speaker 3: and uh, the idea of you know, my my in laws,
Speaker 3: my mother and this is my mother in law's mother. Like,
Speaker 3: they talked to her about building her a new house,
Speaker 3: and she said, why do I need a new house?
Speaker 1: You know, didn't they have dirt floors?
Speaker 3: Well, when she first got married, her first two houses
Speaker 3: had dirt floors. But but I think of the idea
Speaker 3: of moving Grandma Vaughan out of her house would have
Speaker 3: been like unthinkable, you know what I mean. She lived
Speaker 3: to be ninety I think she was ninety three or
Speaker 3: ninety four, lived by herself and carried in her all
Speaker 3: her own firewood, you know, basically till the day she died.
Speaker 3: And the idea of her being forced off of that
Speaker 3: land that she'd lived on for fifty sixty years, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, would be unthinkable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what that brings up something interesting. Granny
Speaker 2: Henderson was a type in that period like she was.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying she wasn't unique, because she was very
Speaker 2: unique where she lived and lived as a widow and
Speaker 2: all these things. But I've had a lot of people
Speaker 2: say to me, she reminded me of this person, and
Speaker 2: all those people aren't here anymore. I mean that we
Speaker 2: just don't have people alive that were born in eighteen
Speaker 2: ninety two and lived their life without electricity, without.
Speaker 1: Phone, without running water.
Speaker 2: But it brought back memories of all these people, and
Speaker 2: and and and now this well anyway, just that she
Speaker 2: was she she represented something, you know, that that was
Speaker 2: important to them.
Speaker 7: And the fact that her mother. You know, I do
Speaker 7: a lot of research and I only know of and
Speaker 7: I'm in a small community. I'm not I'm not saying
Speaker 7: the whole river, but in a small area. I know
Speaker 7: of two women who bought home places, and one was
Speaker 7: quite a bit later than EV's mother.
Speaker 1: But that's very on that.
Speaker 7: That that's you know, the early nineteen hundreds, a woman
Speaker 7: buying property and being able to maintain that property.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 7: One thing that she did was when the pencil company
Speaker 7: came in and my great uncle and a lot of
Speaker 7: the other locals that cut the cedar trees and floated
Speaker 7: those down the river. She they worked Ev and her
Speaker 7: mother as cooks for those workers, and so they would
Speaker 7: do a full I mean all the full grub, you know,
Speaker 7: morning to evening, and they would travel with them down
Speaker 7: the river. So they would go all the way down
Speaker 7: I think, Gosh, I don't know if they stopped at
Speaker 7: Woolem for some reason. I'm thinking Woollem was their ending point,
Speaker 7: but then they would come back. But they lived in
Speaker 7: tents and went all the way down to the river.
Speaker 7: That was EV's mother and Ev she would have that
Speaker 7: she brought her on to help because you know, all
Speaker 7: hands on deck and that was her job, but she
Speaker 7: insteaded her own place.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that was so. Yeah. So EV's father died
Speaker 1: when she was fourteen. That should have been a trivia
Speaker 1: question fourteen months old. Yeah, Josh, what was your favorite
Speaker 1: part or a terrible criticism?
Speaker 3: I think I think just the I loved the audio.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how you can get away
Speaker 3: get away from that. That that is that is such
Speaker 3: a treasure to have that and to be able to
Speaker 3: to It's like it's like if you could go back
Speaker 3: in time. It's as close to being able to go
Speaker 3: back in time and to get a view of her life,
Speaker 3: what life was like on the Buffalo. And I feel
Speaker 3: like I feel like the Dwight Pitt cat how do
Speaker 3: you say his last name, Kailey, I feel like he
Speaker 3: did such a great job just being disarming, you know what.
Speaker 3: I mean in the way that he interviewed her that
Speaker 3: that kind of just brought you in. So when you
Speaker 3: listen to it, you feel like you're there, and I
Speaker 3: think that that's really meaningful to me.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's something in a lot of the oral histories.
Speaker 7: There things that from our childhood as gen xers that
Speaker 7: you're going to hear that you've forgotten, the way a
Speaker 7: screen door collapse when it shuts, water dripping out of
Speaker 7: the sink, or water running continually because a lot of
Speaker 7: it was gravity flow. And so there's these little things
Speaker 7: from my childhood that I've forgotten, and there's things from
Speaker 7: even before my time that I'll catch when I'm listening
Speaker 7: to those, and sometimes I don't know what they are
Speaker 7: and I have to really isolate it. But that is
Speaker 7: a treasure to me all in itself.
Speaker 2: The one interview that I didn't I couldn't use much
Speaker 2: of the audio from it was the interview with Roy
Speaker 2: and Katie Keaton. I was so glad that you read
Speaker 2: that transcript like you did, which I thought was a
Speaker 2: really powerful part of the podcast when because it really,
Speaker 2: you know, we had this personal connection to Granny. But
Speaker 2: then when you read about the keatings and we saw
Speaker 2: all the details and we didn't even go into all
Speaker 2: the but there is it's over two and a half hours.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure between those three three segments of the
Speaker 2: interview where in nineteen eighty four, so this is twelve
Speaker 2: years after the redesignation of the park. They had been
Speaker 2: moved out, and there's an interview with Roy and Katie
Speaker 2: and they it's pretty it's really neat oddly and this
Speaker 2: is not like a conspiracy theory the second they start
Speaker 2: talking about the park, because finally the interviewer goes tell
Speaker 2: me about when the park came and I'm serious, I
Speaker 2: think they actually like bumped the recorder or something because
Speaker 2: the audio quality just plummets and it was unusable. I
Speaker 2: was going to try to use her actually saying what
Speaker 2: you read because I heard it, but you bet it's
Speaker 2: but the but the audio is not usable for something
Speaker 2: like this.
Speaker 7: I'm working with MSU. There were a couple of those
Speaker 7: that it was odd, how the audio would you know,
Speaker 7: mess up? And they were able to actually clean up
Speaker 7: one because they have the original tapes and so they
Speaker 7: are working on cleaning that up and getting that to me.
Speaker 7: So when I get it I'll send it to But
Speaker 7: one thing, you were talking about westward expansion a little
Speaker 7: bit ago. Katie's story is really unique in that her
Speaker 7: parents were one was from Lithuania, the other was from Czechoslovakia,
Speaker 7: and they came. Her parents came to Kansas, and I
Speaker 7: don't know if Katie was born in Kansas. I kind
Speaker 7: of think maybe. And then they moved to Arkansas. They
Speaker 7: didn't speak a word of English, and so when they
Speaker 7: got to the Buffalo River Valley they had to go
Speaker 7: into school, these children who spoke no English with a
Speaker 7: bunch of my people, and my people can be really honrey.
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, you start thinking about some of
Speaker 7: the mean pranks your grandpa played on you the generation
Speaker 7: before that. They were even on rear, you know. And
Speaker 7: they speak to Katie and they asked her if the
Speaker 7: kids would have her teach them words in her language,
Speaker 7: and she said no. They made fun of us. We
Speaker 7: didn't talk. And then for her to become such a
Speaker 7: huge and her whole family is such a huge part
Speaker 7: of our community there. I deal with people that are
Speaker 7: her descendants all the time and they're some of the
Speaker 7: best people. I mean, you're ever going to mean and
Speaker 7: I'm kin to the Keating side, so her husband's side,
Speaker 7: I'm kin to. But their story of coming all this
Speaker 7: way and then getting a knock on the door, you know,
Speaker 7: that's your American dream, just going right down the toilet.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: When you listen to the interview the whole thing, you
Speaker 2: get the point that we made, but you actually hear
Speaker 2: it and see it is that it's almost like they
Speaker 2: were trying to It was the first person that they
Speaker 2: serve papers to, the first of what they know is
Speaker 2: going to be ninety thousand acres.
Speaker 7: Well, it was the first of the declaration of taking right, well, right,
Speaker 7: there were only like two or three declarations of taking.
Speaker 7: Oh really, Yeah, they were very sparse, and so when
Speaker 7: they come with a declaration of taking, it's over and done.
Speaker 7: There's you know, that's wow, They've got it. And their
Speaker 7: place was at Lost Valley. You've probably everybody's Lost Valley.
Speaker 7: It's a gorgeous spot. But it was kind of the
Speaker 7: it was it was a real i don't want to
Speaker 7: say the crown jewel, but it was a real feather
Speaker 7: in their cap to get Lost Vallete.
Speaker 1: Then what's so wild is that their neighbors they didn't
Speaker 1: take the land.
Speaker 7: Well, they did some of it, but they you know,
Speaker 7: back in the I think it was in the late
Speaker 7: eighties or the early nineties. Jim Lyles worked for the
Speaker 7: Park Service. He was an assistant superintendent. He's a real
Speaker 7: good friend of mine.
Speaker 1: I hope he considers me from author of this book
Speaker 1: right here, which I referenced quite a bit.
Speaker 7: Which is all folks talking is is is the next
Speaker 7: book down from the Bible. For me, that's my genealogy
Speaker 7: Bible right there, and he is. He and his wife
Speaker 7: both Susie Lyles, his wife was a historian at the
Speaker 7: Park Service, and they gave so much to our community
Speaker 7: through that book and through the other work that they
Speaker 7: did of recording histories and and Jim was the one
Speaker 7: that kind of came up and created the leaseback program
Speaker 7: in Boxley Valley. So a lot of the reason why
Speaker 7: you still see residential occupation in Boxley is because of
Speaker 7: Jim and what he came up with to let people
Speaker 7: lease back their family farms. And that was wonderful, but
Speaker 7: there were certain ones that just didn't didn't qualify. I
Speaker 7: think with the declaration of taking, I don't know if
Speaker 7: that would even make it, you know, an option.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so complicated and there's so many little facets.
Speaker 2: One thing that was on the interview with Katie Keaton
Speaker 2: is she told about seeing a black panther.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not kidding. I got it.
Speaker 4: She changed her mind.
Speaker 1: Well, when it.
Speaker 2: Came from her, I was like, well I might have
Speaker 2: believe it might be real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for real, she told she told the story of
Speaker 1: seeing a black panther. We up in Boxley or somewhere.
Speaker 7: There's no manner of critter that we don't have. My
Speaker 7: grandpa was one of the best trappers on the river.
Speaker 7: That was his. That was his whole life was fishing
Speaker 7: and trapping and hunting, and he's talked about killing panthers
Speaker 7: and now it hasn't been recent. Yeah, and don't know
Speaker 7: that it was a hawks bill, but it was definitely.
Speaker 2: You find me a picture of a black panther that
Speaker 2: he caught, and we're gonna take it to town. I
Speaker 2: don't have that, Okay, Hey, Lake, I mentioned venomous snakes
Speaker 2: getting bit by venomous snakes. I've got two fools in
Speaker 2: our presence who has been bit by venomous snakes. One
Speaker 2: was just acting the fool when he was bit how'd
Speaker 2: you get bit by a venomous snake?
Speaker 5: Mine's not much better, oh much better at all?
Speaker 1: Which category would you be in? So I said, if
Speaker 1: you want to get my attention, tell me how many
Speaker 1: venomus snakes you've been bit by, But not if you
Speaker 1: were just goofing around with one.
Speaker 5: I was goofing around, but I was not. This is
Speaker 5: it is the only interesting twist to it. I was
Speaker 5: goofing around, but I was not goofing around with a
Speaker 5: snake because I did not even know I had been
Speaker 5: bit true story, So do tell. So we were out
Speaker 5: about doing country kids stuff at night and the next
Speaker 5: days in Mississippi at summertime, which is just venomous snakes central.
Speaker 5: We were tall grass and I had on like flip flops.
Speaker 1: Lord, and so if you get bit wearing flip flops.
Speaker 5: And I was supposed to play in the band in
Speaker 5: a wedding the next day, and so I'm play drums, yeah,
Speaker 5: in my former life, So I mean I'm sitting there
Speaker 5: behind the drums. I mean like the bride has walked
Speaker 5: down and they're doing the ceremony, and I remember being like,
Speaker 5: ankle hurts, and I reached down, I felt my ankle.
Speaker 5: My ankle just was swollen. And then I was like,
Speaker 5: something is wrong. And I went to stand up and
Speaker 5: I couldn't put any weight on that leg. And I
Speaker 5: thought spider or something that had bit me or whatever.
Speaker 5: And get home. I look and I mean I saw
Speaker 5: the two marks, but still I was like, snake. Would
Speaker 5: you know I would see a snake bite me. I
Speaker 5: went to the family doctor and tell him, like something
Speaker 5: bit me, a spider or something whatever. He walks in
Speaker 5: and looks at it and he said, that's a snake bite.
Speaker 5: And they, I mean, they had to put me on
Speaker 5: and I couldn't walk on it for five days.
Speaker 1: But so when did you get bit the night before?
Speaker 5: Just just walking through the grass, he said. I said,
Speaker 5: because when he told me that, he said that ain't
Speaker 5: spider by it, that's a snake. And I said, doctor Rowland,
Speaker 5: you're the doctor here. But I always figured if I
Speaker 5: got snake bit I would know about it. And he
Speaker 5: said it happens more often than you would think.
Speaker 4: Is that right?
Speaker 5: And he said, basically it wasn't even like the venom
Speaker 5: that got me is just more of like bacteria infection.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I got a picture of it.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a soft snake bite story.
Speaker 5: I just weak.
Speaker 1: I just told you. No, I'm not doubting you.
Speaker 2: I was just hoping that you were like trying to
Speaker 2: dove into the grass to like catch a deer.
Speaker 5: No, I mean it was the most bizarre. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: wish that'd be the case.
Speaker 2: The hat tip to your snake bite. That's good, that's good.
Speaker 1: That's good. Brent.
Speaker 4: How'd you get bit trying to catch one?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 9: I actually I called him and then he called me,
Speaker 9: and I wouldn't do anything you him.
Speaker 4: He called me a fool.
Speaker 9: Ago he did, but I don't have any videos of
Speaker 9: me catching them on Instagram.
Speaker 2: You know how many times Clay's been bitten by venom
Speaker 2: of snake that punctured the skin?
Speaker 4: Zero?
Speaker 8: You know how many times Granny Henderson is by.
Speaker 1: Mistakeny wasn't messing with it?
Speaker 8: Twice?
Speaker 1: Three times? I remember twice, but on the on the podcast,
Speaker 1: Jane said three.
Speaker 5: But yeah, and then stone cold fed him to the pigs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, take that, yeah.
Speaker 7: Because you don't let nothing go to wait, that's.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, fed him to the pigs, fed him to
Speaker 1: the pigs. Yeah. My snake handling days are numbered now
Speaker 1: that we have good insurance.
Speaker 4: I ain't called one since then.
Speaker 1: I messed with him a little bit.
Speaker 7: Did your insurance agent listen to.
Speaker 1: This, hope not?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Do you want to tell people who would be interested
Speaker 8: in supporting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the end, we're going to do that. We're
Speaker 2: almost there, Misty. Is there any any other any anything
Speaker 2: else you'd like to say? Just give you the open
Speaker 2: open mic here.
Speaker 7: We had visited when you were at the house, and
Speaker 7: I had said something about I was surprised that it
Speaker 7: didn't end in, you know, gun a gun battle or
Speaker 7: gun shots or something like that. And I had visited
Speaker 7: with a gentleman in Voxley Valley and I won't mention
Speaker 7: his name because he didn't tell me I could. I
Speaker 7: didn't ask I should have, but I asked him that question,
Speaker 7: and I said, how in the world did we, you know,
Speaker 7: avoid somebody getting shot? Because with everybody who you know,
Speaker 7: everybody hunted, so everybody had I mean everybody had guns.
Speaker 7: And he said, because we were good Christian people and
Speaker 7: we knew better. And I thought, well, you know, I
Speaker 7: guess I was that was it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: And that was I really think that that was was it.
Speaker 7: There was a case in Serse County and if you
Speaker 7: want to hear it, I'll read it, and if not,
Speaker 7: that's fine. But there was a case in Sersey County
Speaker 7: where the person who was moved off, they said that
Speaker 7: they were held at gunpoint. And I spoke to their
Speaker 7: I think it was the great granddaughter, and I asked
Speaker 7: them if I could read it here, if time permitted
Speaker 7: and all that, and she said yes, but it was
Speaker 7: something that was really difficult for their family. Of course,
Speaker 7: it was Curse County, so it's it's out of my realm.
Speaker 7: I had heard about it, but I didn't know. I
Speaker 7: didn't even remember their names. But so there was a
Speaker 7: case where one family was held at gunpoint and they
Speaker 7: received a declaration of taking as well. So they were
Speaker 7: one of the few of those that was you know,
Speaker 7: that was given out and it and it was strange
Speaker 7: whenever those were given out, it seemed like that the
Speaker 7: property value was a lot less. So for the Lost
Speaker 7: Valley and the Keatons, the initial amount that was deposited
Speaker 7: in there in the holding account for them for that
Speaker 7: property was thirteen thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Wow, and this was like t far.
Speaker 7: I would assume it was one sixty just because that
Speaker 7: was the homestead amount of land and so, and we
Speaker 7: all know what Lost Valley looks like. It's it's absolutely incredible.
Speaker 7: And I don't know that they owned all the way
Speaker 7: up there, because the Primroses did own some up there
Speaker 7: and the way land lays it's different. But it was
Speaker 7: around the Beechwood School and the opening part of Lost Valley,
Speaker 7: you know, for thirteen thousand, Yes, and they and the
Speaker 7: slaves in Sarcey County, along with a few other families,
Speaker 7: did take them to court to get a more fair amount.
Speaker 7: And they as far as I know, I know the
Speaker 7: slaves one and I know the Keatons one. I don't
Speaker 7: know the outcome for the others that.
Speaker 1: They can you can you summarize the story of the Gunpoint, Well,
Speaker 1: let me look.
Speaker 7: And see how long it is, real quick, and i'll
Speaker 7: if you guys want to chat for just a second,
Speaker 7: I'll find it. I think I've got it marked. Well,
Speaker 7: it's not it's a couple paragraphs. Basically, the slaves were
Speaker 7: wanting to do some blasting and the park was saying
Speaker 7: that it was in an area where they were going
Speaker 7: to blast the bluff, and they were saying, no, it's not,
Speaker 7: it's so far away and so there's not going to
Speaker 7: be any impact to the bluff. So just let us
Speaker 7: do what we're going to do. And he had went
Speaker 7: mister slay, I think his name was Emmett. He had
Speaker 7: went to the park and they didn't even tell him
Speaker 7: that they were going to serve him with a declaration
Speaker 7: of taking the very next day. So he was there, say,
Speaker 7: on a Tuesday, and then they served him on the
Speaker 7: very next day and nobody said anything. And meanwhile his
Speaker 7: wife was sick and I believe in bed, and he
Speaker 7: had went out looking for a sick calf. And while
Speaker 7: he was out looking for that calf, these two men
Speaker 7: approached him. And as he was going to that place,
Speaker 7: he was listening on the radio and it said that
Speaker 7: there were two escape convicts. To be on the lookout
Speaker 7: for these two escape convicts, And so he was, you know,
Speaker 7: as we are around, you know, well will you pay
Speaker 7: a little extra attention if you're out and about And
Speaker 7: he was looking for that calf, and two armed men
Speaker 7: with shotguns stepped up on him and said, you need
Speaker 7: to We have taken this land as of ten o'clock
Speaker 7: this morning. You need to go back home. There's a
Speaker 7: man there with your wife and he let out, and
Speaker 7: his statement says that their fingers were on the trigger
Speaker 7: of the shotguns. And I believe it was the superintendent
Speaker 7: of the Park Service, who wasn't even in town at
Speaker 7: that time, denied that and said they weren't, but I
Speaker 7: believe it was marshals. I don't even know if it
Speaker 7: was actual park Service employees, and I think that happened
Speaker 7: a lot where things were contracted out. But either way,
Speaker 7: the these men showed up at gunpoint, and when he
Speaker 7: got to his house, there was somebody with a gun
Speaker 7: in his home and they were told to get out
Speaker 7: of their home. That at ten o'clock that morning, it
Speaker 7: was no longer their home. Wow. So it's you know,
Speaker 7: when we talk about the black and white and all
Speaker 7: the gray and the muddy areas, there are good and
Speaker 7: there are bad in all of this. But in order
Speaker 7: to in order to get past it, we got to
Speaker 7: own it. You got to own all that crap. You
Speaker 7: got to own all the bad stuff before you can
Speaker 7: come out on the other side. If you want locals
Speaker 7: and people to get on board with preservation and conservation,
Speaker 7: you need to acknowledge their hurt feelings and their lost
Speaker 7: legacy because for us subsistence subsistence farming, you don't make money,
Speaker 7: you know, you get by you grow what you eat.
Speaker 7: And they would everybody would grow a watermelon patch and
Speaker 7: they would that to town and that would be their
Speaker 7: spending money. And so when you take their land, that's
Speaker 7: their legacy, that's what they were going to give to
Speaker 7: their children, their great you know, and it would just
Speaker 7: be passed on. Like myself, I'm seventh generation to work
Speaker 7: and live on the farm that my ancestors you know,
Speaker 7: provided to me. It's been but now my parents did
Speaker 7: a lot of work stitching it all together, because as
Speaker 7: time moves on, you lose bits and pieces. And so
Speaker 7: when you take, when you take so much from a people,
Speaker 7: and then you know, we see a lot of threads
Speaker 7: and stuff on social media that say get over it,
Speaker 7: just get over it. That happened so long ago. How
Speaker 7: would you deal with someone coming to your home and
Speaker 7: saying I own your house. Get out, you don't own
Speaker 7: it anymore, and you saying, well, yeah I do. I've
Speaker 7: made all the payments, you know, I'm free and clear,
Speaker 7: this is my house. And I think that a lot
Speaker 7: of people need that need conversations like this to put
Speaker 7: a face on it so that they can see their
Speaker 7: mamma or see their self in that situation where if
Speaker 7: I was in that place, how would I feel? Because
Speaker 7: there's always a price to be paid, but until you're
Speaker 7: the one paying the price, you don't really care what
Speaker 7: the price tag is.
Speaker 2: H Yeah, No, that's that's great. I think we got
Speaker 2: to talk about the redesignation a little bit, Kyle, what
Speaker 2: do you?
Speaker 4: What do you?
Speaker 2: I mean, we laid it out. I mean, the bottom
Speaker 2: line is that there's there's groups in Arkansas. It's not
Speaker 2: the National Park Service that are wanting to redesignate the
Speaker 2: river and it would be an upgrade in national park
Speaker 2: designation to right now, it's a the Buffalo National River
Speaker 2: and the proposal and it's not an official proposal. It's
Speaker 2: not like this is in law or it's come to
Speaker 2: vote or there was just talk of, which is very
Speaker 2: serious talk of from the groups that it came from,
Speaker 2: about redesignating the river to a National park and preserve, which,
Speaker 2: as I understand, it would mean that the Buffalo National
Speaker 2: River would like ray elevate in status and and and
Speaker 2: it basically it would attract a whole bunch more people.
Speaker 2: But Kyle, what do we what do y'all think about that?
Speaker 6: I've got a lot of thoughts about it, but uh,
Speaker 6: before before I give you some, I want to ask
Speaker 6: the group what do we think is more exploitive?
Speaker 4: Is it the.
Speaker 6: Was it the original people who live there, or is
Speaker 6: it a national river or a national park and preserve?
Speaker 4: What do y'all think if.
Speaker 6: We're gonna I guess we're gonna find exploitive. Yeah, exploitive
Speaker 6: for the use of the land or the river.
Speaker 1: Hmm, unanswerable.
Speaker 4: I don't know how you answer that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know how you answered.
Speaker 9: What I wish is I left everybody alone and every
Speaker 9: generation since then was still have that place.
Speaker 5: And I was best friends with them, so I could go.
Speaker 6: Down there so you can also enjoy it and photo.
Speaker 6: You really can't answer it. But I just I've been
Speaker 6: chewing on that since somebody brought it up, maybe earlier.
Speaker 6: Of the exploitive quote, and and you know, you have
Speaker 6: the exploiters and the preservers kind of kind of thing.
Speaker 6: It doesn't seem like a fair dichotomy to place people
Speaker 6: in because.
Speaker 5: I don't even think the original I think it exploited.
Speaker 5: It called them exploiters. That was that was just poor terminology.
Speaker 6: It is, yeah, I would yeah, I think we exploit
Speaker 6: the river now more than it was ever was ever
Speaker 6: being done before as far as.
Speaker 4: Tourist dollars.
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, I mean people people wanting to float it,
Speaker 6: people using it as they should. It's I mean, it's
Speaker 6: a national river and it's it's public and they can
Speaker 6: and uh Miss Misty's talked about the the cars lining
Speaker 6: bumper to bumper to bumper down miles and miles of
Speaker 6: road for people who just want to get a taste
Speaker 6: of the Buffalo, they just want to experience it for
Speaker 6: the first time. And so I think the redesignation to
Speaker 6: go there the way it went about, and we've talked
Speaker 6: about it before, and y'all have read about it and
Speaker 6: heard about it and seen other people cover it.
Speaker 4: They seemed to do or want to do.
Speaker 6: They went about, I guess I should say the conversation
Speaker 6: for redesignating it in a very similar way that happened
Speaker 6: about fifty years ago, which was.
Speaker 4: Grassroots.
Speaker 6: Only a couple of people let the news spread as
Speaker 6: it needed to, but it wasn't an official here's a proposal,
Speaker 6: let's talk about it. And gather everybody, which is I
Speaker 6: know why Missy, you know, called a town hall. We're
Speaker 6: going to get everybody involved and we're going to figure
Speaker 6: out what they're saying. And the language was masked and
Speaker 6: hidden and not very readable or understandable. And that's not
Speaker 6: to say, well, the people who live there don't know
Speaker 6: how to read the question and understand it. You don't
Speaker 6: know how to like it doesn't make sense in some ways.
Speaker 6: It's just very very governmental.
Speaker 4: I don't know what.
Speaker 5: It's kind of.
Speaker 6: It's purposefully, purposefully deceptive, and yeah, a little bit a
Speaker 6: little bit hidden, and so not to name all the
Speaker 6: players that we've found out and have asked to interview
Speaker 6: and they've declined and said no comment, all that kind
Speaker 6: of stuff. But I think big Arkansas money, you can
Speaker 6: let your mind go where you need that to go.
Speaker 6: And Arkansas Governmental Power had this redesignation proposal on the table,
Speaker 6: and I think wanted to I wanted to see it elevated.
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's for more protection. I don't
Speaker 6: know if it's for more hunting and fishing rights, or
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's because they also just want
Speaker 6: more control over it so they can increase tourist dollars,
Speaker 6: and so it's I think I have opinions about it.
Speaker 6: I know where I land on it, but nothing is
Speaker 6: official enough to comment on it and then not come
Speaker 6: back later.
Speaker 4: And you know, look the fool for talking about it that.
Speaker 1: Way to me, And what I reported to the world
Speaker 1: in this podcast was like the what the commute feel
Speaker 1: confidence saying the consensus of the community is that they
Speaker 1: don't want this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a bad idea, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, and that's that's even more powerful than your opinion
Speaker 2: or my opinion totally, because I mean, like for me
Speaker 2: to have an opinion that I'm trying to push doing
Speaker 2: the same thing that the group that's trying to push
Speaker 2: their opinion. I mean, for real, Like if you notice
Speaker 2: on that podcast, I didn't say whether I was four
Speaker 2: or against it, but I mean, I think it's clear.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm against it, but I don't want that
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. What matters was the clip that I used
Speaker 2: where the it was the one of the board.
Speaker 1: Members of Farm BUA.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where he said, hey, we as a board and
Speaker 2: not that Farm Bureau speaks for the county. But I
Speaker 2: felt like he was speaking for the county in a way,
Speaker 2: and he just said, we don't think there's any benefit
Speaker 2: to this, and I mean, that's kind of where it
Speaker 2: lands with me.
Speaker 6: BHA would say the same thing. I'm on the Public
Speaker 6: Waters Committee of BHA. It's like, doesn't seem like it
Speaker 6: helps anything. If anything, it seems like it could come
Speaker 6: around to take away what we're fighting for, that kind
Speaker 6: of stuff. And so but I'm like, y'all, I just
Speaker 6: I enjoy it. I've grown up loving it, but I
Speaker 6: don't live in it. And so I think I'm I
Speaker 6: think I care enough about people being able to be
Speaker 6: left alone. That's very Arkansas of me, very Bzarkian of me,
Speaker 6: like leave us alone, that whole sentiment, that's America. Be
Speaker 6: just American of me. But Misty, doctor, Misty, you are.
Speaker 8: I was just going to say, it seems like it
Speaker 8: would further restrict the people who still live there right now.
Speaker 8: I mean, that seems to be what they could do
Speaker 8: on their own property. And if it doesn't produce a
Speaker 8: massive benefit, I mean, I think it's worth a debate
Speaker 8: even if it produced significant benefit for everybody else in
Speaker 8: the world. And I still don't think it would be
Speaker 8: a well, for sure, we should do it, but especially
Speaker 8: since it does not seem to produce much benefit. I mean,
Speaker 8: that's that's just I get, is that it doesn't really
Speaker 8: what doesn't improve, Yeah, and it certainly would take away
Speaker 8: some some thing.
Speaker 6: Almost won't value say what it would improve, at least
Speaker 6: in the current stage. When we were uncovering it last fall,
Speaker 6: I say, we a lot of people uncovered it, Misty
Speaker 6: really uncovered it, and other people were talking about it.
Speaker 6: But the proposal almost wasn't willing to say what it
Speaker 6: wanted to do or what it would improve. It was
Speaker 6: more just everybody agrees that a national park and preserve
Speaker 6: is better than a national river, Like that's what we
Speaker 6: do around here. We make things better. So of course
Speaker 6: of course it's better. It's a higher designation. And when
Speaker 6: you're trying to figure out what that means, that it
Speaker 6: just doesn't it doesn't come out clear.
Speaker 5: But I in park and.
Speaker 7: Preserve it is such a new idea within the park system.
Speaker 7: I don't understand why you would want to take the
Speaker 7: nation's very first national river a scenic waterway and fiddle
Speaker 7: with it when you don't really when you don't know,
Speaker 7: and number one, when you don't have the support of locals.
Speaker 7: It seems like the only I don't wait out into
Speaker 7: it because that Lord, I've waited out so deep now
Speaker 7: that i'm you know, eyeball deep now up to turn
Speaker 7: back out to Shakespeare's But it seems like the only
Speaker 7: thing it's going to do is line some people's pockets.
Speaker 7: And it's some some big people that maybe don't even
Speaker 7: need their pockets lined. And the communities that they're dealing
Speaker 7: with are teetering on. You know, there's there's a lot
Speaker 7: of poverty. There's a lot of people but nobody knows
Speaker 7: we're in poverty. We're just poor and we just go
Speaker 7: on kind of a thing. But I think there's a
Speaker 7: lot of people who look at the commercialization aspect of it,
Speaker 7: like who wouldn't want more? Well, you know, once upon
Speaker 7: a time, all of this in town, you know, this
Speaker 7: was all prairies, this was this was wilderness areas too.
Speaker 7: And I know we have to have cities, and I
Speaker 7: know we have to have civilization, but why would we
Speaker 7: want to start messing around in our national park system
Speaker 7: to potentially commercialize and bring more people in when we
Speaker 7: are not able to manage the people we have now?
Speaker 7: And if we're praying that Congress is going to fund
Speaker 7: the National Parks? Why do we have to be redesignated
Speaker 7: in order to do that? Why don't they just fund
Speaker 7: the National Parks? Is every park going to have to
Speaker 7: go through because it's not just the Buffalo National River
Speaker 7: that has issues with facilities and access in different areas
Speaker 7: that we're needing help with. That's across the board of
Speaker 7: all the National Parks properties. Do they all need to
Speaker 7: be redesignated in order to get a little bit of
Speaker 7: cash to fund them? You know, to me, that's nonsense.
Speaker 7: It's just nonsense to think that we're going to have
Speaker 7: to go through some process in order to get some
Speaker 7: extra money.
Speaker 4: Right right?
Speaker 2: I understand yeah, because that would probably be the first
Speaker 2: thing that somebody would say is they would be like, well,
Speaker 2: if you need more money, this is the way to
Speaker 2: get more money. But then I've also heard that the
Speaker 2: redesignation doesn't guarantee money.
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to. I mean, I'm not ready to.
Speaker 2: The podcast wasn't about all the details of the of
Speaker 2: the redesignation, because I think.
Speaker 8: They would have talked, they would have been a part
Speaker 8: of this. I mean, you're not You're not You're not
Speaker 8: that's the point of your conversation.
Speaker 2: Is right, Oh yeah, oh yeah, we could have got
Speaker 2: somebody to talk about the redesignation and that just wasn't
Speaker 2: what we were talking about, you know. But but but
Speaker 2: it was noteworthy and relevant to bring up at this point,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 8: And is it going to piss out the people? I mean,
Speaker 8: those are the things I think about. Is it going
Speaker 8: to price out the people like has happened in Tennessee,
Speaker 8: for the people around the Smoky Mountains where their grandkids
Speaker 8: can't buy land near them. Those are those are things
Speaker 8: that we should I think. Yeah, whenever you're talking about progress,
Speaker 8: it's really important to de find what progress is.
Speaker 1: And you know, people people like us take criticism, And
Speaker 1: I will take criticism for even bringing up the Buffalo
Speaker 1: National River because people will say that I'm like spot burning.
Speaker 2: Just just even by bringing it up, right, they'd be like, well, Clay,
Speaker 2: you're doing what because people might hear this and be like, man,
Speaker 2: I want to go check out the river. I don't
Speaker 2: know what to say about that. This is a story
Speaker 2: that needs to be told, and don't come leave Misty
Speaker 2: alone and her family them.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, and I'm a cabin owner. So yeah,
Speaker 7: you know, if anybody wants to call somebody a hypocrite,
Speaker 7: I guess they can sling that at me. But I
Speaker 7: look at it in a way that we have always
Speaker 7: had tourism. I mean even ev and they would put
Speaker 7: people up in houses for people and they would come down,
Speaker 7: floaters would go down and she would cook for them
Speaker 7: or you know, it was just that there's always been
Speaker 7: there's always been somebody there wanting to see the river,
Speaker 7: and we would just say like come on, you know,
Speaker 7: but there is a threshold that that a river can
Speaker 7: only take so much, you can only take so much
Speaker 7: from it. And if we're looking at like with Neil
Speaker 7: Compton in the Ozark Society, one of their biggest issues
Speaker 7: was the horse ranch at Steel Creek, the Yarborough horse Ranch.
Speaker 7: That was one of those things where they said we
Speaker 7: absolutely have to get them off of this river because
Speaker 7: they are destroying it. They are a nuisance. And I
Speaker 7: forget all of the exact words, but there were some
Speaker 7: pretty harsh words about that bunch of people, that family
Speaker 7: that owned that and if we're going to commercialize it,
Speaker 7: that's kind of like, well, you ran these people off
Speaker 7: their land that they had legally bought and they had
Speaker 7: a business there and they weren't affecting anybody, and people
Speaker 7: came from all over the world to buy Arabian horses
Speaker 7: from them. And so if we're going to commercialize it,
Speaker 7: it doesn't seem like that we're really being conservationists. If
Speaker 7: we take from one person, they're just not good enough
Speaker 7: to do what we want. And then later on, fifty
Speaker 7: years later, well let's do it something else and maybe
Speaker 7: bring in a few more people and maybe do this
Speaker 7: and maybe do that. You know, that's a little bit underhanded.
Speaker 2: I feel like, yep, well, this has been great, guys, Lake,
Speaker 2: thanks for coming, Thanks for having me, Kyle, much appreciated,
Speaker 2: Miss Ship, thank you for coming.
Speaker 5: And all you other people, all you local exploiters.
Speaker 7: Don't forget about the money.
Speaker 4: Follow them.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Well so Buffalo River Partners.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'd spoke with one of the one of the
Speaker 7: people on the I think on the board, I believe
Speaker 7: she's on the board, and she told me who the
Speaker 7: president was, gave me his number, and the amount that
Speaker 7: they have gotten. They've already they've already reached the amount
Speaker 7: that they needed for Granny Henderson's house to do the
Speaker 7: reconstruction or the repairs that they're going to do, and
Speaker 7: that's supposed to start this fall and winter. But they
Speaker 7: have a lot of other historic structures within the park.
Speaker 7: One of them is at the junction of seventy four
Speaker 7: and forty three and a lot of people know that
Speaker 7: is the Beaver Jim Boyhood Home and that's one that
Speaker 7: they're going to have to start working on soon. So
Speaker 7: if anybody you had mentioned, if you know, people had
Speaker 7: wanted to donate, if they do, it's not going to
Speaker 7: go particularly to EV's house, but it will go into
Speaker 7: a fund for the historic structures. So that's something you know,
Speaker 7: I can put you in touch with them, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it worked out so Buffalo River Partners. I'll
Speaker 2: probably post a link on my social media. But that
Speaker 2: had a lot of people wanting to contribute to Granny's house,
Speaker 2: which is it's a good it's a good thing that
Speaker 2: they already have the money they need to repair it
Speaker 2: in the way they do, so that's big. But you
Speaker 2: can still we can still gather up some money for
Speaker 2: other there's there's lots.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I.
Speaker 2: Just cherry picked Granny's story and hers was the most famous,
Speaker 2: but there's a ton of other other stories and other
Speaker 2: historic structures on the river.
Speaker 4: You can just fix it once. You got to keep
Speaker 4: it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. So yeah, so look for some inform
Speaker 1: of that, but it's the Buffalo River Partners. It's specifically
Speaker 1: who is doing that. But uh yeah, thank you all
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 2: Man, I kind of wish I'm kind of saying, I
Speaker 2: always kind of get sad when some of these series
Speaker 2: end because for a period of time, it's like I
Speaker 2: was going over and riding mules with Justin for about
Speaker 2: two weeks there. I was over over in Newton County
Speaker 2: like every three days, you know, meeting people and talking
Speaker 2: to people was a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: So but so for.
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