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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman.

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Speaker 2: This is a production of the Bear Grease podcast called

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Speaker 2: The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper,

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Speaker 2: and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast,

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Speaker 2: presented by f h F Gear, American made purpose built

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Speaker 2: hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged

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Speaker 2: as the place as we explore.

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Speaker 3: Brice Brince knows as he's got an oversized noteized I

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Speaker 3: stuff tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Man, Hey, I've been looking forward to this particular render

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Speaker 2: for a while. I really have, because as Misty Misty

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Speaker 2: will tell you, I like beg people to tell me,

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Speaker 2: you know, just to like talk to me about the podcast,

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Speaker 2: and uh, and she gets.

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Speaker 1: Tired of it.

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Speaker 2: Josh has to talk to me about the podcast because

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Speaker 2: it's his job. So I call him between the hours

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Speaker 2: of eight and five and can talk to him.

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Speaker 1: But if it's like, if it's later, he's like, well, Clay,

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Speaker 1: maybe I'll talk to you tomorrow about it. So I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you're all here so we can talk about this.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: This episode with with Granny Henderson, we have some very

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Speaker 2: distinguished guests. We have aligned everybody Todays, so it's the exploiters.

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Speaker 1: Versus the preservationists. Hey, we're on the outsiders.

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Speaker 2: Wait wait a minute, now, I don't know if y'all

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Speaker 2: in this context for the outsiders or not, but uh,

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Speaker 2: and the locals. But no, that kind of just happened

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Speaker 2: on its own. We have Lake Pickle from all the

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Speaker 2: way from the great state of Mississippi. You are our

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Speaker 2: UnBias like outsider. Officially he's the outsider.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm ten out of ten and outsider in this situation.

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Speaker 1: You never heard this story before.

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Speaker 5: No, I I yeah, I went into it completely because yeah,

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Speaker 5: I had nothing to base it off of.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I want to hear your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: And then we have Kyle Plunkett. So good to have

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Speaker 2: you from the Those Are podcast.

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Speaker 4: I'm moderately biased.

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Speaker 1: Moderately biased.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's fair.

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Speaker 2: And I wanted to invite you because I first heard Misty,

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Speaker 2: who I'm about to introduce on your podcast. And uh

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Speaker 2: and and so anyway, you guys had done some stuff

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Speaker 2: on the redesignation of the river and so good to

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Speaker 2: have you, man.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: And now you're tell us about your podcast.

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Speaker 4: What do you want to know?

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Speaker 5: Plug?

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Speaker 4: Little plug? Just yeah, well a couple.

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Speaker 6: Of years ago, we were Kyle Vett and I were

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Speaker 6: really getting into bow hunting and bear hunting and fishing,

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Speaker 6: and realized that all of the media and all the tacks,

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Speaker 6: we're not for here, and so that kind of kicked

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Speaker 6: us into this whole world of trying to figure out

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Speaker 6: how to kill big deer and how to kill big bear,

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Speaker 6: and how to catch big fish in the Ozarks. And

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Speaker 6: one thing led to another, and we started uncovering the

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Speaker 6: history and the people and the conservation and the stories

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Speaker 6: and realized the Ozarks are way more than just a

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Speaker 6: pretty place to recreate in. It's a really really amazing

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Speaker 6: place to live and a really really amazing place to

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Speaker 6: come from. So we're both I think we're six and

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Speaker 6: seventh generation Ozarkers, so like years and years of family

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Speaker 6: heritage in this area, all that kind of stuff. And

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Speaker 6: so we interview guests who talk about the Ozarks pretty

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Speaker 6: much anything we find interesting, we go find somebody talk

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Speaker 6: to in that interview.

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Speaker 1: So, well, you guys are doing a good job. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it, but we don't want anybody to move here.

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Speaker 1: So stay where you're at. This is a terrible place.

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Speaker 4: Good to have you.

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Speaker 2: Kyle thanks, Misty Langdon, you're really the guest of honor, Missy.

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Speaker 1: Well true true story, true story.

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Speaker 7: Careful you let it go to my head.

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Speaker 2: No, So, Misty was on on the was on the

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Speaker 2: on the feature guests on. Josh is really jealous of

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Speaker 2: people that are feature guests on because he never has been.

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Speaker 8: Still.

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Speaker 5: Has pustache, has a T shirt.

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Speaker 1: But to be able to be a feature, to be

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Speaker 1: a feature guest means that you like have like, you know,

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Speaker 1: a fairly substantial contribution to the to the to an episode.

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Speaker 5: Clay hasn't figured out what I can contribute.

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Speaker 2: But but Misty was. So you were on both of them.

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Speaker 2: You were on both episodes. And and I told this

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Speaker 2: to Misty beforehand. I was I want to hear any

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Speaker 2: place I got it wrong, any place.

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Speaker 1: That uh, there's any you know you brought the story.

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Speaker 1: The story needs some fixing. Yea, she has, Uh, she has,

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Speaker 1: she has a few things, I'm sure, but uh. And

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Speaker 1: and my wife, Misty will tell you that you were

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Speaker 1: the person I was most I was most like man.

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Speaker 1: I hope, I hope Misty is okay with this. It's true,

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Speaker 1: it's true.

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Speaker 7: Maybe maybe you think I'm the meanest.

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Speaker 2: No, I just, I just you're not too afraid.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that's it.

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Speaker 4: He's scared of girl's name, Missy.

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Speaker 8: There's a lot of misty power. There's a lot of

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Speaker 8: Misty power.

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Speaker 7: There's so many of us.

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Speaker 2: No but but Misty's from Newton County and uh and

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Speaker 2: so she has a lot of real personal connections to

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Speaker 2: this story, big time personal connections.

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Speaker 1: And so it's it's great to have you, Thank.

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Speaker 7: Yous for coming, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: And then I have all these folks, I have my

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Speaker 2: lovely wife, doctor mister new great to have you, thank

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Speaker 2: you here, Josh Lambridge, Spillmak Brent Reeves.

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Speaker 3: Man, I just want to say that that this render

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Speaker 3: better be good because it's gonna be hard to live

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Speaker 3: up to the last one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys did a great job.

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Speaker 5: Yeah we did.

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Speaker 1: We did, of course did a great job without Yep.

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Speaker 4: We should make a habit of that.

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Speaker 1: I would love to not be here sometimes we would.

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Speaker 9: Okay, everybody in we're in.

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Speaker 1: Uh uh So you left off one guest, Oh Tim.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if on the video he can't figure

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Speaker 1: out whether or not see Tim, Tim the squirrel dog.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you a quick story about Tim the

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Speaker 2: squirrel dog. Since we're all here, this dog was bought

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Speaker 2: at the same time as another squirrel dog of similar

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Speaker 2: similar lineage. You'll like this, like because your dog man, Brent,

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Speaker 2: your dog man, uh, and the other dog was way better,

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Speaker 2: like way more natural ability, to the point that we

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Speaker 8: Well it's waiting to becoming an actual member of the family, yep.

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Speaker 2: But because of this dog's the dog never goes in

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Speaker 2: this dog is in a really good squirrel dog, tim

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Speaker 2: you see, almost as good as like the Michael Jordan dog.

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Speaker 2: And that's an exaggeration, but for me, the Michael Jordan

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Speaker 2: dog I had.

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Speaker 1: So the take home.

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Speaker 2: Is is that exposure and practice, Like that dog knows

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Speaker 2: what a squirrel's thinking right now, Like he knows that

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Speaker 2: that squirrel that lives over there will be down at

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Speaker 2: four point thirty to eat you know, horse apples out

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Speaker 1: Dark over there.

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Speaker 2: Tess is like Michael Jordan, tons of ability, great nose,

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Speaker 2: great instinct, great tree power, great drive. So exposure can

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Speaker 2: almost with just like natural talent. And that's where Brent

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Speaker 7: Just a.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I beat all those charges.

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Speaker 5: The moral of the story, anybody can succeed. That's right, Abody, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's right.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: I had to give Tim a plug.

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Speaker 7: There lebron So you've got Michael Jordan's and.

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Speaker 2: Lebrony just there you go, there you go. So Phelps

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Speaker 2: is coming out with a new deer call.

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Speaker 4: That's a great segue. Yeah, yep, left turn.

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Speaker 2: Talking about Michael Jordan. Yeah, this is uh so last

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Speaker 2: year we came out with the Akron grunner spelled the

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Speaker 2: correct way a k e r n akron grunner. And

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Speaker 2: uh it's the it's the first call in the market.

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Speaker 2: That's the inhale exhale bleat and grunt call or grunt call.

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Speaker 2: I love a bleat call, like the like the old

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Speaker 2: primost can. I mean he's called in so many deer.

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Speaker 2: A lot of guys just carry a grunt call. This

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Speaker 2: has an inhale ex hell. You can adjust the reads.

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Speaker 2: You flip it and the call is opposite.

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Speaker 1: Like there's one.

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Speaker 2: Way where when you blow and it's a grunt and

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Speaker 2: you suck and it's a it's a fawn bleat or

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Speaker 2: The tones are slightly different, but I constantly am using

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Speaker 2: a bleak call and don't want to carry two calls.

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Speaker 1: And so anyway, this is the acren Pro.

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Speaker 2: And it's the it's h it's from Phelps and it's

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Speaker 2: an acrylic call and you can you know, like totally adjustable.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, these are coming out like real soon, the

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Speaker 1: acren Pro, the acorn Pro.

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Speaker 6: Fancy you want some free marketing on that one, Clay, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I have to give it to you. No, No, I

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Speaker 6: used your your wooden acron Oh yeah, but the one. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I was one of the guys that you got on

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Speaker 6: the it's limited, you got to get it quick, and

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Speaker 6: I was like that, I'm buying it. It's happening, yeah,

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Speaker 6: And I used it to call up that big ozark

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Speaker 6: buck I killed. I heard him down on the on

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Speaker 6: the ledge and was bleating at him. I mean it

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Speaker 6: was like peak right was starting. He was he sounded

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Speaker 4: Right up the hill.

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Speaker 1: Really, you bleeded at him?

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Speaker 4: I did?

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Speaker 1: You didn't ground at him. See, I think that that they.

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Speaker 5: Didn't know which end of the call he had.

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Speaker 1: So I.

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Speaker 4: Was just breathing through it.

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Speaker 1: What was going to happen?

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Speaker 5: What happens?

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Speaker 4: We got to bleed? He turned and came right up

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Speaker 4: I mean his opening rifle, dad, I mean perfect. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's a good plug. I saw that it was.

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Speaker 1: How big was that deer?

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Speaker 6: Thirteen points one hundred and sixty three inches. That's a

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Speaker 6: big Deer's the biggest deer.

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Speaker 7: I remember that one from Instagram.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it kind of made its round. This is like,

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Speaker 4: this is this is weird.

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Speaker 6: I never posted something on social media and everybody's clapping, like,

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Speaker 6: you did a good job killing that thing.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Oh, that's very fun funny story about akorn. Just

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Speaker 8: to you know, since I saw it spelled out there

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Speaker 1: But what's a what's a good way to to start

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Speaker 4: Misty, doctor misty?

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Speaker 4: I remember that. I remember that National Geographic.

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Speaker 9: My grandfather had all my life he had a subscription

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Speaker 7: Did I give you that one clay House? I think so.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, we kind of we kind of have a ring.

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Speaker 8: You already know the answers.

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Speaker 7: I love trivia.

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Speaker 2: I think I think is fair game because because it's now,

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Speaker 1: The answers on here, Josh, you knew the answers. I've

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So the first person that blurted out

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Speaker 7: You may want to turn me down because something.

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Speaker 1: First question, how tall was Grannie Henderson? For seven for seven?

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Speaker 4: I said that first.

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Speaker 8: I said it before him was miss.

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Speaker 5: That was it?

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Speaker 1: She knows well according to Jane. According to the Jane Kilgoor,

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Speaker 1: Granny was four foot seven.

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Speaker 7: Then we go by Jane.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm telling you, I said.

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Speaker 5: That was pickle first.

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Speaker 8: The mustache speaks, Oh my goodness, take back?

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Speaker 1: Who do you say? Brent stood by the by the

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Speaker 5: He doesn't even know how to say compass true?

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 5: Sugar and sugar was I didn't know about the sugar

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Speaker 4: I don't know if that can.

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Speaker 8: I got two for three.

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Speaker 5: I did not know that one.

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Speaker 1: Did you get it right?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 1: What was it?

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Speaker 4: Sugar, sot and turpentine? That's right, right? Scores?

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Speaker 1: Heero so much for me being a ringer. Yeah, oh

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Speaker 1: Well that Brett does have an incredible memory. Yeah he does.

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Speaker 5: He probably could gauge your height from that picture in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. Question number three, how big was.

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Speaker 1: So big was Granny Henderson's farm?

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Speaker 5: I think it's sixty seven.

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Speaker 7: was a little bit more than that.

449
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Speaker 2: It is sixty seven, is what is what we said

450
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Speaker 2: in the episode. Yeah, and that's that was for the

451
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,719
Speaker 2: records that I found, one hundred and sixty seven acres.

452
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Speaker 2: Next question, Now, there may have been something I got wrong.

453
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 2: Was there farm bisected by the river? Did they own

454
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Speaker 2: land on the other side of the river too?

455
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Speaker 7: I don't know, Okay, I know that they owned. I

456
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 7: know that one side of their place, the river goes right,

457
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 7: you know, right along it, and I would think that

458
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 7: they probably had to afford it. I mean, that's a

459
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 7: Jane question.

460
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, for sure it was. My understanding was that

461
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: it was bisected. But it's possible. I got that mixed up.

462
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: With Jane's Famili's farm because their farm they had, yeah

463
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: stuff on the other they had like crops and gardens

464
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Speaker 1: on the other side of the river. Said the cross

465
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Speaker 1: the river to go to their gardens.

466
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Speaker 7: And that was really really common because landlines didn't really

467
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 7: mean a lot back then. That land was so unused

468
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 7: and a lot of people considered it worthless. It was

469
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Speaker 7: really cheap land. In certain places it is so rugged.

470
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Speaker 7: I mean, people think they're going to go there and farm.

471
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Speaker 7: You can't crop, you know, you can't road crop or

472
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Speaker 7: anything there. But people would take up somebody else's homestead

473
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 7: and just work the land. And when those people came

474
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 7: back any improvements or anything that they had made, the

475
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 7: people that had built it, they would get paid for

476
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 7: it from the land owner and they just move off.

477
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and they.

478
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 7: Called it floating. They would float from one place to

479
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 7: the other just use what would right, but use what

480
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 7: was just laying, you know, follow and they would take

481
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 7: it up and work it. And then when the people

482
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 7: that owned it come back, if they ever came back,

483
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 7: they would just you know, scoot over give it back.

484
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Speaker 2: It's so interesting to me that what years ago, when

485
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: people were making a living off the land was very

486
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: non valuable land now has value basically because of recreation.

487
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,719
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the story all over the country. I mean,

488
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: all this mountain land around here in the Appalachians. I

489
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: mean that you couldn't give it away, you know, seventy

490
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Speaker 2: five years ago, and a.

491
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Speaker 7: Lot of people did give it away. And I talked

492
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 7: to one fellow and he said that his I think

493
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 7: when he bought it, it was twelve dollars an acre. And

494
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 7: that wasn't back in the twenties or the thirties, you know,

495
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 7: it was. It was maybe the fifties. But a lot

496
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Speaker 7: of people moved when when they started seeing that a

497
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 7: living could be made without literally killing yourself. The people

498
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 7: that wanted an easier life, they moved off. A lot

499
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 7: of people went to Kansas City. But then the ones

500
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Speaker 7: that wanted a farm and stayed, you know, they just

501
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 7: they they stayed and it was rough, but the land

502
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 7: wasn't worth much. And now you know it's insane. If

503
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 7: you try to buy land in Newton County, you'll you'll

504
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 7: find out it's not twelve dollars.

505
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. Okay, Question number four, what year.

506
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 4: And what.

507
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: Relationship? Okay, what year was that?

508
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: Don't don't blurt out the answer until I'm done with

509
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 2: the question, because this is a two part question.

510
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: What and you can't answer, Josh, I can't. I mean,

511
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:50,719
Speaker 1: you already know the question.

512
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 3: The only reason I know it's because I listened to

513
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 3: the podcasts well and nobody told me that.

514
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: Okay, two part question. Don't answer until till I slapped

515
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: the table.

516
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 4: Okay, until you bleep?

517
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: What what year.

518
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 2: Did was the land purchased that Granny Henderson ended up

519
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: selling to the park and what family member bought it?

520
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 5: He hadn't slapped the table yet. It's pick nineteen o

521
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 5: five and nineteen oh five.

522
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: Nineteen oh five was corrected. What'd you say?

523
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 4: Nineteen oh three?

524
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 9: Oh and her mama, that's the first time she looked

525
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 9: at it was nineteen oh three?

526
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: Missing did you did you the dates?

527
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: I heard a lot of different dates on that, but

528
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: from based on the interview with Granny when she said

529
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: her mother bought it nineteen oh five, she was Granny

530
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 2: was married when she was sixteen years old, and so

531
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Speaker 2: I did the math, which would have.

532
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: Been like.

533
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Speaker 2: Nineteen oh nine or something, because she was born in

534
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: eighteen ninety two. I don't remember actual birthday, but I

535
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 2: didn't ever know that. But and then they moved on

536
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: to that land two years after she was married.

537
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 7: Did you know, two years after she oh her and Frank, Yeah,

538
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 7: moved back on to that Was that.

539
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 2: What you well, the sequence was her mother bought it

540
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: in nineteen oh five when Granny was thirteen.

541
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: Three years later nineteen oh eight. She was married to

542
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: Frank when she was sixteen, and she said in an

543
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: interview that two years after they got married they moved

544
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: on to that one hundred and sixty seven acres.

545
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 7: It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't move either in

546
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 7: with her mother or build another house. I don't know

547
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 7: when her mother passed, but people, you know, multi generational

548
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 7: families were common, very common, So it wouldn't surprise me

549
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 7: at all if they hadn't moved in with her mother.

550
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 7: And I'm just spitballing here. I'm not sure, but that

551
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 7: goes back to that thing of people kind of taking

552
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 7: up land. They may have moved, there's no telling where

553
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 7: they may have been living. They may have been living

554
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 7: in a weening house that was just right close and

555
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 7: then moved in with her. I'm just not sure.

556
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: Well, because I read in a lot of the books

557
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 2: said that she that she built that house in nineteen

558
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: oh five, which I mean based on what Granny said,

559
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: I don't think that. I think I don't think these

560
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: people are doing their research.

561
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: Anyway.

562
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 7: It's pretty common to get different stories, you know, you

563
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 7: really have to with dealing with things this far back.

564
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 7: You really have to do a lot of digging. You

565
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 7: might even talk to the saint the family and get

566
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 7: two different storm.

567
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: Well, or maybe I'm wrong. In the house what was

568
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: built in nineteen oh five and they didn't move into

569
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: it until nineteen thirteen, because by by my calculations, nineteen

570
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: thirteen is when they would have moved on to that land.

571
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: Her in Frank her family owned it since though five.

572
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 7: I would think that the Park Service would probably be

573
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 7: a really good place to look because when they did

574
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 7: a lot of the inventory and the allocation for that

575
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 7: for the home sites. They did their you know, they

576
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 7: did their research on that, so they may very well

577
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 7: have a date built. I know in the nineties they

578
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 7: did some work on it and did a kind of

579
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 7: a revamp. I've seen the photos of that through the

580
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 7: park archives, and so in the nineties were the last

581
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 7: time that they had done, you know, real substantial work

582
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 7: on it.

583
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, okay, last question, what's the score?

584
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 4: Branch three and he's got one.

585
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: Three to one zero zero, lot of zero.

586
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 5: Okay.

587
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: Well, actually, maybe a couple of other questions after this. Okay,

588
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: this is a two part question. Don't answer until you

589
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: hear the grunt. Two part question. Don't answer it. Which

590
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: which president was Granny Henderson related to what year did

591
00:29:58,960 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 2: he become president?

592
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 4: The boom bom bomb app.

593
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: And what relation was Granny to this president?

594
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 8: Great niece Buchanan eighteen sixty four, Oh lord, okay, we'll

595
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 8: extract we'll extract us the Buchanan Granny's mother the great niece.

596
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 7: No, I think I think ev was she was the

597
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 7: great niece. Maybe her daughter was the niece.

598
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: I think Granny said.

599
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: I think Granny said her mother was the great president Buchanan.

600
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 4: That's great.

601
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 9: She would have been the great great niece and it

602
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 9: was Buchanan. But I can tell you that you.

603
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. So who got that one?

604
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 4: Right?

605
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: I think we all know nobody two for three? But

606
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: you said great name.

607
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 8: And I was one year off on his presidency.

608
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: Wow, for real?

609
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 7: Sixty five after I said.

610
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 8: Sixty two, didn't I Oh, I was worried way more

611
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 8: than one year old.

612
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: Okay, great job guys, Brent, you w in. Congratulations, you

613
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: get something. You're gonna get something really special.

614
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 4: Here we go.

615
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 2: Uh, like you've met you were unfamiliar with this story.

616
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: What were your impressions?

617
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 5: I was about as conflicted as a human could be

618
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 5: at the end of it. I mean because obviously, I

619
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 5: mean it's stuff that you hit on yourself in that podcast.

620
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 4: Right.

621
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 5: It's like, obviously we see the value in national parks,

622
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 5: especially working for you know, on X and being just

623
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 5: really you know, very a big supporter of public access. Right,

624
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 5: But then there's the whole side with all those people

625
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 5: that lost their homes and Granny story, and you just

626
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 5: can't help but sympathize with them. And I guess where

627
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 5: my head was. It's like, you just wish they're even

628
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 5: if a happy medium was possible, I don't think there

629
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 5: was one, but there's just there's definitely things in there

630
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 5: that you just could have been handled different like I

631
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 5: think probably one of the most like sympathy, like where

632
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,479
Speaker 5: I felt the most sympathy or was the story about

633
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 5: when the woman wanted to go back to her old

634
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 5: home place just to see it, and she was ninety

635
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 5: six and they were.

636
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: Wanted her to write a mule.

637
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one of my favorite parts when Jane

638
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: said she can't write a mule.

639
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 7: Have you have you seen the photos of them taking

640
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 7: her down the river in a raft?

641
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: No? No, I saw your your video of taking They

642
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: used to take.

643
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 7: Arby Jane's mother, the one you were referencing. They took

644
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 7: her and they would put she was so frail and

645
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 7: so cold. They would put a bean bag in the

646
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 7: middle of a raft and make a big nest for her.

647
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 7: And she was a frail, little, tiny woman and they

648
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 7: would just set her in there. And I've seen photos

649
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 7: of them, you know, all hanging off the side of

650
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 7: the raft and then there's a little Arby in the middle,

651
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 7: and that's how they would take her.

652
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 5: To see her family sit and just out. The human

653
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 5: side of you is like I understand that that's the rule,

654
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 5: but just make an exception. Man, you know it just did.

655
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 5: But that's how Yeah, the end of that podcast, it

656
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 5: was just like it's just tough one conflicting.

657
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, I.

658
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: Mean we we've said it, like the the national the

659
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: idea for national parks and setting aside beautiful, pristine wild

660
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: places in America. It was really American genius. Like if

661
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: you just look back at all the things that our

662
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: government has done that we now are like like.

663
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: Thank god they did that.

664
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: That's one of them. But the conflicted part is that

665
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: it costs people something. And that's really the core of

666
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: this whole story is that the things that we love

667
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: cost somebody a lot.

668
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: And uh, and yeah, there's really no answer.

669
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Speaker 2: I mean it's not like we can go back and

670
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: give it to the give the land back, or even

671
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: that that would be a good idea.

672
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's probably not a good idea.

673
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 4: Uh.

674
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 9: Everybody can agree that sometimes somebody has to take one

675
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 9: for the team, unless you're the guy that's taking it. Yeah,

676
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 9: that's when it's hard. It's hard to understand that. And

677
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 9: I spent a lot of time years ago up there

678
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 9: in that area it just enjoying the not just the scenery,

679
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,959
Speaker 9: but the land. And we made we'd camp and we'd

680
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 9: make tea from a spring right there beside us where

681
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 9: was at? And you think, man, I'm so glad to

682
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 9: be here. Now, I'll think back after hearing this story,

683
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 9: even being somewhat familiar with it over the years. Now

684
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 9: I think that gun, you know, maybe I was in

685
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 9: somebody's pasture, or I was in somebody else's barn, lock

686
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 9: were on per was and you just think, there's there's

687
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 9: always there's always been somebody there before you. And how

688
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 9: that came about is what is the biggest problem. And

689
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 9: we talked about that on the last render when clay

690
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 9: Bow was when you wouldn't hear was It's hard to

691
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 9: think about something someplace that you enjoy so much without

692
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 9: now thinking about how it was before and how and

693
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 9: how it came about. You can't think about how good

694
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 9: it was without thinking how bad it was for somebody else.

695
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 4: I can't.

696
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well and then and then I mean, this

697
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: thing can keep rolling back too, to the displacement of

698
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: Native America.

699
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 4: Sure, you know, it's like we said that too.

700
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 9: You know, they wasn't the first folks there, and the

701
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 9: last Native Americans had it before we get there. They

702
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 9: wasn't the first somebody else got They got it from

703
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 9: somebody else.

704
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, so the thing could just

705
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: like keep keep rolling back, Kyle?

706
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: What stood out to you man.

707
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 6: There towards the end you were talking about if if

708
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 6: the timing had been a little bit different, didn't seem

709
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 6: like the dam was coming that got pushed back, Did

710
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 6: we really have to make it a national river?

711
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 4: That shoot out to me, because I don't think I've

712
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 4: ever heard that right.

713
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 6: You know, I was familiar with the story of the Buffalo,

714
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 6: growing up, floating the buffalo and around it. I was

715
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 6: kind of in the early eras of the save the

716
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 6: Buffalo stuff with the pig farms and the you know,

717
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 6: we're getting water qualities bad and all of that. So

718
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 6: I knew it as a this is the gem of Arkansas,

719
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 6: the crown jewel. Got to save it from getting ruined

720
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 6: by a tourist or beer cans or hog feces whatever

721
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 6: else that was a problem. So I had this idea

722
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 6: that it was this pristine, perfect kind of hallowed ground

723
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 6: right where it's always been Arkansas's crown jewel. We've always

724
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 6: kind of deserved to have it. It's what puts our

725
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 6: state on the map a little bit. So we enjoy it.

726
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 6: We're supposed to enjoy it, that kind of thing. And

727
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 6: didn't realize that there was any conflict around it until

728
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 6: we went and talked with Misty last fall about the

729
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 6: potential redesignation. And I will probably talk about that here

730
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 6: in a bit, but the redesignation and kind of the

731
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 6: fight to change it to something different and all of that,

732
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 6: and and what that could mean for the river. And

733
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 6: so I've just it's for the last year or so

734
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 6: been thinking on it in the Buffalo River, but did

735
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 6: not know that fact that there was a potential that

736
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 6: it wasn't going to become a national river in the

737
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 6: first place, which.

738
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 4: That just has a lot of implications.

739
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: Well, now, Missy, did you know did you know that?

740
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: Had you ever heard that sequence like that? If they

741
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: because they saved the Buffalo people, a big part of

742
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: their what they said was that we're saving it from

743
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 2: being damned, and to do that, we have to turn

744
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: it into a national park.

745
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 7: From my research, and that this is and I'm not

746
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 7: talking about academic research, just talking to folks. The word

747
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 7: on the street is is that we were about two

748
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 7: decades out away from it being damned. So for twenty

749
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 7: years we didn't mean everybody thought, well that that miss

750
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 7: is over, the dam and mess is over, and we're

751
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 7: just going to keep going the way that we're going.

752
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 7: And everybody would talk about a park, but we all

753
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 7: just thought it was taught because the dam didn't materialize,

754
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 7: so why would the park materialize? But we always thought

755
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 7: it was about twenty years past damning.

756
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 1: So that threat was gone by the seventies.

757
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 4: Gone.

758
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, actually by the some people say decades, but I honestly,

759
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 7: I think by the sixties. That's for me, that's my cutoff.

760
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 7: I feel like that by the sixties.

761
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: They knew that they knew that.

762
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 7: Nothing was going to happen, and I think that that

763
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 7: push had kind of backed off and there were more

764
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 7: conservationists and they didn't want to damn certain places because

765
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 7: of that. I think maybe they learned a little bit,

766
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 7: maybe they didn't, But for me, I always feel like

767
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 7: by the sixties that was kind of over. Now you

768
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 7: can find stuff, I'm sure to prove me wrong, But

769
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 7: as far as the locals go. That's kind of what

770
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 7: I've always been taught and heard.

771
00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what did for the people that would have

772
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: heard the name doctor Neil Compton? Do you think I

773
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: treated him fairly.

774
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 7: For myself, I own my family, and growing up, I

775
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 7: always had kind of that he was kind of the boogeyman,

776
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 7: you know, in our community. However, I get to talk

777
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 7: to all kinds of people. And I was talking to

778
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 7: a neighbor of mine, and she's not a generational local,

779
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 7: but she is local. They some of the back to

780
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 7: the Landers, and they were from the Fayetteville area, and

781
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 7: she said that doctor Compton took care of her grandfather

782
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 7: and he met her somewhere I don't know how to

783
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 7: market or something, and he spoke to her and she

784
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 7: introduced herself and he said the last name, and he

785
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 7: said her grandfather's name, and he remembered caring for him.

786
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 7: And this had been years ago, in it meant so

787
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 7: much to her, And I think that goes to all

788
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 7: the things that we've talked about in this series. Whether

789
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 7: it's the park Service, whether it's Neil Compton, whether it's

790
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 7: the locals. Whatever. You can't do black and white. There's

791
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 7: a lot of gray in there. There's a lot of

792
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 7: really good people that do things that I'm going to

793
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 7: think is bad, and there's a lot of really bad

794
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 7: people that are ever now and then going to have

795
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 7: a good day. Yeah, And you know, you have to

796
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 7: look at it not as somebody's a total villain or

797
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 7: somebody's a total hero. You've got to kind of wade

798
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 7: around in that middle ground a little bit.

799
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

800
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 2: Well, it was the first time that I would have well,

801
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: I would have just known Neil Compton as kind of

802
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: the father of the Buffalo River, which you know, in

803
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: his book the foreword of his book, Ken Smith said

804
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: like John Muir is of Yosemite. And when he said that,

805
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: I was like, ah, I get it. That's kind of

806
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: the way I viewed him.

807
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: And then.

808
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, all this story kind of put him in a

809
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: little different light, and I really went out of my

810
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: way to not villainize the guy, because there there are

811
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: people that like are to this day in this area,

812
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: like students of Neil Compton, you know, just like his

813
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: environmental any kind of his conservation legacy and and uh

814
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: and those are Society is still an organization as I

815
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: understand it, that's still going on today.

816
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 4: But I did.

817
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: I don't know.

818
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 2: It was interesting going to Newton County and hearing people

819
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: like you said, like he was kind of the boogeyman

820
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: and uh and yeah that forward that I read when

821
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: it said, uh where Ken Smith uh said all over

822
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: the United States there are conservation or there there where parks.

823
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: Are being.

824
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: Designated and whatnot. It's always the same. It's it's the locals,

825
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: which he called exploiters, and the outsiders, which he called

826
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: preservation and people who have see the land it's like

827
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 2: a spiritual, you know, place of renewal. And like clearly

828
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: he was an outsider and they were coming to this

829
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: place and uh and and basically calling anybody that didn't

830
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 2: want to preserve it as as a local exploiter trying

831
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 2: to have like personal gain.

832
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 7: Well, in order to gain traction, you have to have

833
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 7: a bad guy, and you have to have you know,

834
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 7: you have to have the guy in the black hat

835
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 7: and the guy in the white hat that's going to

836
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 7: come and save the day. And so you kind of

837
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 7: have to have a somebody that you're wanting to if

838
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 7: the if the popular opinion is going to be we

839
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 7: need to do this at this cost. You've got to

840
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 7: make somebody the bad guy, somebody's got to lose.

841
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 3: Well, it didn't seem like there was a guy in

842
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 3: a white hat in this situation.

843
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 7: Well, I think the foreword of Battle for the Buffalo

844
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 7: may suggest that a lot of people thought there was

845
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 7: a guy in a white hat.

846
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think at that time those people

847
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 3: would have thought the government were their guy in the

848
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: white hat, right, I mean, the government would protect them.

849
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 6: And or if I can interject it, just knowing some

850
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 6: of the history, it feels like there's the bad guy.

851
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 4: Is the core of engineers even.

852
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: If he wasn't gonna be they wanted to.

853
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 6: If there wasn't a threat, But it seems like they

854
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 6: carry the threat enough just to keep the story going.

855
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 6: So if the core of engineers are the bad guy,

856
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 6: then you have doctor Neil Compton for everybody who's not

857
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 6: on the Buffalo but in the greater Arkansas areas like,

858
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 6: that's a good guy.

859
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 4: He's the hero's.

860
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 7: Which is the majority of thee Yeah.

861
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 6: And then the people who are caught up in it,

862
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 6: I mean they're posed as they're the ignorant heibilities who

863
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 6: don't know what they have, right, It's.

864
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 7: Like they can't manage what they have.

865
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're the in the Robinhood story, they're the ones

866
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 6: who are they need the help kind of thing. And

867
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 6: like it's easy to tell a story that way and

868
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 6: not let it be complicated as it should be.

869
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 8: And so that's my problem with the with the whole

870
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 8: narrative and even some of the quotes that Clay read

871
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 8: me from from the book. Again, I don't think he's

872
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 8: a I don't think he's a terrible person, But I

873
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 8: think it's very easy to discount people and to label

874
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 8: them as exploiters. When you think about a woman like

875
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 8: Granny Henderson who's staying till the very end, and because

876
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 8: of her connection to the land, because of her connection

877
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 8: to the place, it's very difficult to say she's an exploiter.

878
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 8: It's very difficult to say to describe her in those terms.

879
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 8: And it's almost like they didn't see the way that

880
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 8: the land was used as a preservation of the land,

881
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 8: as a connection to the land's They just didn't see

882
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 8: them at all. And I think that's too common a story.

883
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: I mean, in that damn building era, which was also

884
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: an era in this country when they were making a

885
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 2: ton of national parks, man, you just better hope that

886
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: your place isn't in the crosshairs because there was no

887
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: room for.

888
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just one of those things.

889
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: It really, as I boil the story down, it literally

890
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 2: is just the cost of living in a nation that

891
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 2: is that has what we have. I mean, it's it's

892
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: like that there was there's no gray area. I mean,

893
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: they didn't leave Granny a spot in the National Park

894
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: because she was a wonderful, nice lady, you know, and

895
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 2: and and they just couldn't do that. And it's, uh,

896
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: it's just one of those conundrums, or we're gonna say.

897
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 7: This, Well, it's not unlike the interstate system either. You know,

898
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 7: when you start thinking of eminent domain throughout the United States,

899
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 7: you know, you're always at the whim of somebody else

900
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 7: wanting what you have or your area, not not so

901
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 7: much just coming and taking your belongings, but but your land.

902
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 7: So if you fall in, you know, in the crosshairs

903
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 7: of somebody's project, that's that's a precarious place to be.

904
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, how bad is it that those folks were

905
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 9: actually the epitome of what the American dream is exactly?

906
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 9: They were settled in a place that they were taking

907
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 9: care of and living and taking care of their family

908
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 9: and doing exactly the thing of westward expansion of what

909
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 9: the goverden and said, this is a good thing for

910
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 9: y'all to do. Go out here and settle these places

911
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 9: that that are supposedly uninhabitable. And then they go out

912
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 9: there and they do that, and then there they they

913
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 9: stayed there and they're successful to doing it. Regardless of

914
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 9: the little of success, they're still there and they're doing it,

915
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 9: and they're taking care of themself and they're raising kids

916
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 9: and cows and they're doing and if they're doing what

917
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 9: they're supposed to do, then they came in and said, well,

918
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 9: you did a great job, but you're exploiting the land.

919
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 4: Get off.

920
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, get labeled as exploiter after all that.

921
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, that's that was the toughest pill for me

922
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 4: to swamp. Yeah.

923
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, missy, I'm asking I'm gonna ask you the same

924
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: thing I asked these two guys.

925
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: You've already chimed in. Uh is that mean?

926
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 7: Oh?

927
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: It's okay? Is it me? Who is it? It might be? Uh,

928
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: it might be somebody.

929
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 4: I can't even.

930
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: Find my phone. No, it's me and I can't find

931
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: it that's all right, that's all right, he would.

932
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 7: Talk to that was I probably shouldn't say who that was.

933
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: Missy when you, like I said, when I made this

934
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: podcast and put it out to the world, I was like, man,

935
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: I hope Missy's okay with this?

936
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: What what did you think? Any criticisms, anything that got wrong.

937
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: That you'd like to talk about or just or what

938
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: what impact you what you liked.

939
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 7: I think it came together really well. I think it

940
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 7: told e f story so that people could could put

941
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 7: a face on the displacement. With her being the very

942
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 7: last person, I mean, that goes to show you how

943
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 7: determined she was to stay. You know, if she could

944
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 7: have eked out a you know some more times, she

945
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 7: would have.

946
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: Let me stop you right there and forgive me for

947
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: being a hog here on the host. I was she

948
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: the last person? I contradicted myself because at one time

949
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: I said, like the latter in the In the process

950
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 2: of the several weeks I had towards the end, I

951
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,959
Speaker 2: found that I thought I read that she was one

952
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: of the last.

953
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 7: It's my understanding she was the last, okay, and that

954
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 7: was in it. And I could be wrong, but especially

955
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 7: because I only deal kind of with my area. I

956
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 7: don't know a lot about the middle and the lower River,

957
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 7: Upper River is kind of As a matter of fact,

958
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 7: I don't even know a lot about the Hasty Carver area.

959
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 7: You know, I'm more upriver. We all kind of tend

960
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 7: to our own. I've got a friend I've never floated

961
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 7: even past Carver ever in my life, and they were like,

962
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 7: good lord, what kind of representative of the Buffalo are you?

963
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 7: But we tend to our own, you don't, I don't get.

964
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: Out of my territory. Well, it's to me, it's always

965
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: been said that she was the last.

966
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 7: Yeah.

967
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: But then when I was doing the research, I read

968
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: where maybe there was some other people way down river

969
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: that were still there when she was there. Well, they

970
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: certainly I could just find a definitive answer.

971
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: So I didn't know if you knew. So okay, I

972
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: don't know for asking you that, No, continue on with.

973
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 7: The Only thing that I wish I had done better

974
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 7: was give a more rounded opinion of the park from

975
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 7: my own opinion. I gave you a lot of what

976
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 7: I hear. Because of the work that I do with

977
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 7: the Remnants Project, I interview families who tell me their

978
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 7: displacement stories, right, and then then all of my community

979
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 7: already knows these stories. There's a lot of people that

980
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 7: are just now hearing them and learning about them. But

981
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 7: for our people, we know them real well, and I

982
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 7: think that I should have you know, let you know

983
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 7: how my dad worked for the park and how in

984
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 7: the nineties that was such a tight group of workers there,

985
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 7: the whole park worked together, and they were just a

986
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 7: huge part of our community. You know, they went to

987
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 7: our schools, our churches. I babysat for every park ranger.

988
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 7: I think that ever lived at Steel Creek and my

989
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 7: mom before me, and my greatest wish for the park

990
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 7: would be that the Buffalo National River could be funded

991
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 7: in all of the National parks and park properties could

992
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 7: be funded by Congress and afford to run in the

993
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 7: way and maintain what they have. That would be a

994
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 7: dream coming true because we're not going to get that.

995
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 7: Nobody's getting their land back. We don't even think that's

996
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 7: a notion. But I think for people like Sonny Boy

997
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 7: or Willard that if they just tended it a little better, well,

998
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 7: they can't tend it if they don't have the funds

999
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 7: for it. And so you know, I'm the last person

1000
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 7: that's going to say they're anti park because they're my neighbors.

1001
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 7: We have a pretty good relationship with them, I feel like,

1002
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 7: and I think there are some of the best people

1003
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 7: that I know that work at the park still to

1004
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 7: this day. But you can't expect people to work for nothing.

1005
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 7: You know, people have a job and they get paid

1006
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 7: for it. And when they cut back so much of

1007
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 7: the facilities, you know, the access areas, things like that

1008
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 7: that they just can't maintain because they don't have funding,

1009
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 7: that's that's something that the country as a nation. That's

1010
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 7: something we need to address. But I think that would

1011
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 7: make people feel a little bit better if it looked

1012
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 7: more like it used to, or if the locals felt

1013
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 7: like that they were tending to it, you know, letting

1014
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 7: something go into you know, a dismal state that's hard

1015
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 7: for for local people to tolerate. You know, they want

1016
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 7: to see it, and you're.

1017
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: Looking particularly talking about the historic structures, and the structures

1018
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 2: some of them are just like falling down.

1019
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 7: Right, and even even at ev Henderson's place. I don't

1020
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 7: know when you I don't know if you've seen photos

1021
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 7: or not, but right now, all you've got pretty much

1022
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 7: is the house, and then there's the cellar, and then

1023
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 7: there's the trail that goes along. Back when I was

1024
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 7: a kid, the whole front yard of hers that went

1025
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 7: I don't know how many acres it was all still

1026
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 7: cleared off, and the park kept it cleared off. They

1027
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 7: mowed it. That was part of my dad's job. And

1028
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 7: they had the big fruit trees were all still there.

1029
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 7: We would ride our horses up and get you know,

1030
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 7: pears and things off of the trees, and so it was.

1031
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 7: It was well tended as a As a it looked

1032
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 7: like a farmstead. Still, it wasn't just the house. And

1033
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 7: I think that that kind of management lended itself to

1034
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 7: a better view from the locals than then things falling into.

1035
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: Well, there's a there's a photo I put it on

1036
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: my Instagram of Granny on her porch and you could

1037
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: see off into a big meadow. You could see the

1038
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: bluffs on the river on the other side of the river.

1039
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: And today when you stand on that porch, I probably

1040
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: post a video of me and Willard blinds at that house.

1041
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just I don't think you.

1042
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:56,479
Speaker 7: Could see six feet.

1043
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's immediate. It's just yeah, growing up.

1044
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, And when you look at some of the books

1045
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 7: of and I can't remember which one it is, I

1046
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 7: think it's won by Neil Compton. It talks about the

1047
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 7: pastoral views and the pastoral areas of the river. Well,

1048
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 7: those are those are no more because they're not maintained.

1049
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 7: That doesn't take very long for stuff to get Willy.

1050
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 9: Did that become part of the mission to just let

1051
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 9: nature reclaim.

1052
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 2: Well, it's a part of the it was a part

1053
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: of Technically that is is that wilderness.

1054
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 7: It is a wilderness. It is it is in the

1055
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 7: wilderness area. However, it depends on which superintendent you have.

1056
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 7: Superintendents can make sweeping changes within a park, and I

1057
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 7: wasn't aware of that until we lost our last superintendent

1058
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 7: because I was asking about the new one and you know, yes, yeah,

1059
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 7: And I've heard through the grapevine that she has got

1060
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 7: kind of a place in her administration for the historic

1061
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 7: places that she is maybe bringing somebody on board that

1062
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 7: deals specifically with that, and any maintenance or maintaining goes

1063
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 7: through that employee. So I think that's a great effort.

1064
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 7: But depending on which superintendent was in charge would kind

1065
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 7: of depend on how things looked and when my dad

1066
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 7: worked there, and when that was maintained, I believe it

1067
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 7: was Jack Lanahan was the superintendent at that point and

1068
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 7: there were things done that maybe the next superintendent didn't

1069
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 7: like it managed that way. But I know a lot

1070
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 7: of people wanted it to be to look just like

1071
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 7: it did when everybody left, and for a long time

1072
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 7: it did. We have aerial photos that prove, you know,

1073
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 7: how long it took for things to grow up, but

1074
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 7: when it did, you know, it's just it's just greenbro.

1075
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting.

1076
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: The study on successionary plants in the st Yes, it

1077
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: is like how things regrow. Yeah, lot of cedar groves

1078
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 2: that used to be pastures where the eastern red cedar

1079
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: would grow up.

1080
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: Uh, Misty, what was your favorite part?

1081
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 5: Oh?

1082
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 8: My favorite part, man, I really I did. I really

1083
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 8: enjoyed hearing Jane Gilbert talking about her her her grandma.

1084
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 8: I loved how you had that recording of her showing

1085
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 8: up in the seventies asking where the where the spring

1086
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 8: was and then you fast forward and you hear a voice.

1087
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 8: Now that was super awesome.

1088
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: You were the first one that before I listened to

1089
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: the episode. You Uh you you were like Jane shows up.

1090
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's that was the you know, I've got

1091
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 7: several audio I've got several audios of e F and

1092
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 7: that was the one I wanted to give you because

1093
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 7: then we were I was trying to get you in

1094
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 7: with Jane and and uh and so yeah, it worked

1095
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 7: out really good. But I thought that was really sweet

1096
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 7: to hear it because I don't remember her Jane's young voice.

1097
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1098
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 7: You know, as you grow up, you just forget how

1099
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 7: people sound, and it was really nice to hear her

1100
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 7: young voice.

1101
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1102
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to interrupt you.

1103
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 8: No, that's fine, that's fine. That's just that was my

1104
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 8: favorite part. And and just everything about Jane Kilgort. You know,

1105
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 8: she's a character. You didn't really talk about it, but

1106
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 8: she's a big hunter. Yeah, I mean, she's a she's

1107
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 8: a she's she's a character. She's and you can she's

1108
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 8: kind of see that same that same thing in Granny

1109
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 8: Henderson and her yea, and I love it.

1110
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 2: Did I made note of it in the podcast, but

1111
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 2: always listening stuff like this. So Granny is sitting there

1112
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: talking to a National Park Service, uh employee or you know,

1113
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 2: historian like she she's probably in a pretty uncomfortable situation.

1114
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 2: She didn't seem uncomfortable. But just if you're being interviewed

1115
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 2: and there's a there was a video camera. What I

1116
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 2: learned is that that interview was videoed, and so she's

1117
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 2: she's probably talking in like her most proper voice, and

1118
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 2: then when Jane comes up, she's like, I'll tell you, Jane,

1119
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 2: down there on the down on the creek, you can

1120
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 2: hunt it and we can find it and you cross

1121
00:56:58,800 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 2: the ford.

1122
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: You know, she she I heard it. Yeah, that's she

1123
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: totally changed her dialect when she was talking to Jane.

1124
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 7: I heard that little bit of like the Lord, you

1125
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 7: ought to.

1126
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: Know that you can't help but find it.

1127
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 7: But now Dwight Pakaithley was the interviewer and at that

1128
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 7: time he that was before he was actually the historian,

1129
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 7: so he was doing that just as a college kid

1130
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 7: from Texas Tech, and he was there to record her,

1131
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 7: and he he did record several oral histories with other folks.

1132
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 7: And it's funny because I think it was Jane that

1133
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 7: mentioned sometimes she would talk to folks and sometimes she wouldn't.

1134
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 7: She would suss people out and if they passed her

1135
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 7: her smell test, then she'd sit down and visit with them.

1136
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 7: And people would return, you know, people they became her friends,

1137
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 7: and and so I think Dwight was definitely one of

1138
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 7: those people that was in her kind of trusted little

1139
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 7: circle of strangers that she met.

1140
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 2: I'm so glad he kept the interview on when they

1141
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 2: were interrupted, like you'd have been attempted to turn it

1142
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 2: off or something, because in the moment, you wouldn't have

1143
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 2: realized that that would be something that fifty years later.

1144
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: Would be valuable. You know, it just would have been

1145
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: just like a random interaction.

1146
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 7: And I warned you about the roosters.

1147
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yeah you did.

1148
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 8: They were very very well.

1149
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 5: Recorded, the roosters.

1150
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 2: Okay, there's another part of the interview where the hogs

1151
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 2: come up.

1152
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: This is not a joke.

1153
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 2: The hogs come up and she's answering a serious question

1154
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 2: by this interviewer. They're like, I don't They're talking about

1155
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 2: something legitimately serious, and you hear it's like roote, and

1156
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 2: it gets closer and closer and closer, and it feels

1157
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: like it's right under the porch, and you hear just

1158
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 2: us to the point that the interviewer goes, you sure

1159
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: have a.

1160
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: Lot of pigs, like you kind of like has to

1161
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: like address it, and she goes, uh.

1162
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: She goes, that's a sound with a left piglets. And

1163
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 2: then he was like, what are you gonna do with those?

1164
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: And she said, I guess I'm just gonna give him

1165
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 2: away and she talks about the pigs. But it was

1166
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 2: like chaos, just like but.

1167
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 5: All that though the here and actually getting to hear

1168
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 5: her voice and the roofs and every bit of that.

1169
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 5: For me, especially not again not having any attachment to

1170
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 5: the story, it was another layer of humanizing.

1171
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: All of it.

1172
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, because even you know, even if you didn't have

1173
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 5: a picture of her to look at, you know, you're

1174
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 5: just kind of hearing this story, you still get attached

1175
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 5: to it. But actually getting to hear it it was

1176
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 5: you could connect to it better and.

1177
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 7: You could put your mamma's face that voice exactly.

1178
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 3: That's That's the thing that I really picked up on

1179
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 3: is we were really close with Christie's my wife, Christie's grandmother,

1180
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 3: and I think about she she lived in her house

1181
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 3: for you know, decades and decades, and it was I mean,

1182
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 3: really it was just kind of a shack, you know

1183
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 3: what I mean, just a shack and rule Oklahoma, Oklahoma

1184
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 3: and uh, the idea of you know, my my in laws,

1185
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 3: my mother and this is my mother in law's mother. Like,

1186
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 3: they talked to her about building her a new house,

1187
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 3: and she said, why do I need a new house?

1188
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: You know, didn't they have dirt floors?

1189
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 3: Well, when she first got married, her first two houses

1190
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 3: had dirt floors. But but I think of the idea

1191
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 3: of moving Grandma Vaughan out of her house would have

1192
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,959
Speaker 3: been like unthinkable, you know what I mean. She lived

1193
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 3: to be ninety I think she was ninety three or

1194
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 3: ninety four, lived by herself and carried in her all

1195
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 3: her own firewood, you know, basically till the day she died.

1196
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 3: And the idea of her being forced off of that

1197
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 3: land that she'd lived on for fifty sixty years, you

1198
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 3: know what I mean, would be unthinkable.

1199
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what that brings up something interesting. Granny

1200
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 2: Henderson was a type in that period like she was.

1201
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 2: I'm not saying she wasn't unique, because she was very

1202
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 2: unique where she lived and lived as a widow and

1203
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: all these things. But I've had a lot of people

1204
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 2: say to me, she reminded me of this person, and

1205
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 2: all those people aren't here anymore. I mean that we

1206
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: just don't have people alive that were born in eighteen

1207
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 2: ninety two and lived their life without electricity, without.

1208
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: Phone, without running water.

1209
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 2: But it brought back memories of all these people, and

1210
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 2: and and and now this well anyway, just that she

1211
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 2: was she she represented something, you know, that that was

1212
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 2: important to them.

1213
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 7: And the fact that her mother. You know, I do

1214
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 7: a lot of research and I only know of and

1215
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 7: I'm in a small community. I'm not I'm not saying

1216
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 7: the whole river, but in a small area. I know

1217
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 7: of two women who bought home places, and one was

1218
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,919
Speaker 7: quite a bit later than EV's mother.

1219
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: But that's very on that.

1220
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 7: That that's you know, the early nineteen hundreds, a woman

1221
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 7: buying property and being able to maintain that property.

1222
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: You know.

1223
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 7: One thing that she did was when the pencil company

1224
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 7: came in and my great uncle and a lot of

1225
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 7: the other locals that cut the cedar trees and floated

1226
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 7: those down the river. She they worked Ev and her

1227
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 7: mother as cooks for those workers, and so they would

1228
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 7: do a full I mean all the full grub, you know,

1229
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 7: morning to evening, and they would travel with them down

1230
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 7: the river. So they would go all the way down

1231
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 7: I think, Gosh, I don't know if they stopped at

1232
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 7: Woolem for some reason. I'm thinking Woollem was their ending point,

1233
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 7: but then they would come back. But they lived in

1234
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 7: tents and went all the way down to the river.

1235
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 7: That was EV's mother and Ev she would have that

1236
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 7: she brought her on to help because you know, all

1237
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 7: hands on deck and that was her job, but she

1238
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 7: insteaded her own place.

1239
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that was so. Yeah. So EV's father died

1240
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: when she was fourteen. That should have been a trivia

1241
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: question fourteen months old. Yeah, Josh, what was your favorite

1242
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: part or a terrible criticism?

1243
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 3: I think I think just the I loved the audio.

1244
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how you can get away

1245
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,439
Speaker 3: get away from that. That that is that is such

1246
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 3: a treasure to have that and to be able to

1247
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 3: to It's like it's like if you could go back

1248
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 3: in time. It's as close to being able to go

1249
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 3: back in time and to get a view of her life,

1250
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 3: what life was like on the Buffalo. And I feel

1251
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 3: like I feel like the Dwight Pitt cat how do

1252
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 3: you say his last name, Kailey, I feel like he

1253
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 3: did such a great job just being disarming, you know what.

1254
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 3: I mean in the way that he interviewed her that

1255
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 3: that kind of just brought you in. So when you

1256
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 3: listen to it, you feel like you're there, and I

1257
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 3: think that that's really meaningful to me.

1258
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's something in a lot of the oral histories.

1259
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 7: There things that from our childhood as gen xers that

1260
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 7: you're going to hear that you've forgotten, the way a

1261
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 7: screen door collapse when it shuts, water dripping out of

1262
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 7: the sink, or water running continually because a lot of

1263
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 7: it was gravity flow. And so there's these little things

1264
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 7: from my childhood that I've forgotten, and there's things from

1265
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 7: even before my time that I'll catch when I'm listening

1266
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 7: to those, and sometimes I don't know what they are

1267
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 7: and I have to really isolate it. But that is

1268
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 7: a treasure to me all in itself.

1269
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 2: The one interview that I didn't I couldn't use much

1270
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 2: of the audio from it was the interview with Roy

1271
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 2: and Katie Keaton. I was so glad that you read

1272
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 2: that transcript like you did, which I thought was a

1273
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 2: really powerful part of the podcast when because it really,

1274
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 2: you know, we had this personal connection to Granny. But

1275
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,479
Speaker 2: then when you read about the keatings and we saw

1276
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 2: all the details and we didn't even go into all

1277
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 2: the but there is it's over two and a half hours.

1278
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure between those three three segments of the

1279
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 2: interview where in nineteen eighty four, so this is twelve

1280
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 2: years after the redesignation of the park. They had been

1281
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 2: moved out, and there's an interview with Roy and Katie

1282
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 2: and they it's pretty it's really neat oddly and this

1283
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 2: is not like a conspiracy theory the second they start

1284
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 2: talking about the park, because finally the interviewer goes tell

1285
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 2: me about when the park came and I'm serious, I

1286
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 2: think they actually like bumped the recorder or something because

1287
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 2: the audio quality just plummets and it was unusable. I

1288
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 2: was going to try to use her actually saying what

1289
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,439
Speaker 2: you read because I heard it, but you bet it's

1290
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 2: but the but the audio is not usable for something

1291
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 2: like this.

1292
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 7: I'm working with MSU. There were a couple of those

1293
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 7: that it was odd, how the audio would you know,

1294
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 7: mess up? And they were able to actually clean up

1295
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 7: one because they have the original tapes and so they

1296
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 7: are working on cleaning that up and getting that to me.

1297
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 7: So when I get it I'll send it to But

1298
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 7: one thing, you were talking about westward expansion a little

1299
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 7: bit ago. Katie's story is really unique in that her

1300
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 7: parents were one was from Lithuania, the other was from Czechoslovakia,

1301
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 7: and they came. Her parents came to Kansas, and I

1302
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 7: don't know if Katie was born in Kansas. I kind

1303
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 7: of think maybe. And then they moved to Arkansas. They

1304
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 7: didn't speak a word of English, and so when they

1305
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 7: got to the Buffalo River Valley they had to go

1306
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 7: into school, these children who spoke no English with a

1307
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 7: bunch of my people, and my people can be really honrey.

1308
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, you start thinking about some of

1309
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 7: the mean pranks your grandpa played on you the generation

1310
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 7: before that. They were even on rear, you know. And

1311
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 7: they speak to Katie and they asked her if the

1312
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 7: kids would have her teach them words in her language,

1313
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 7: and she said no. They made fun of us. We

1314
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 7: didn't talk. And then for her to become such a

1315
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 7: huge and her whole family is such a huge part

1316
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 7: of our community there. I deal with people that are

1317
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 7: her descendants all the time and they're some of the

1318
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 7: best people. I mean, you're ever going to mean and

1319
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 7: I'm kin to the Keating side, so her husband's side,

1320
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 7: I'm kin to. But their story of coming all this

1321
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 7: way and then getting a knock on the door, you know,

1322
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 7: that's your American dream, just going right down the toilet.

1323
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1324
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1325
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 2: When you listen to the interview the whole thing, you

1326
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 2: get the point that we made, but you actually hear

1327
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 2: it and see it is that it's almost like they

1328
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 2: were trying to It was the first person that they

1329
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 2: serve papers to, the first of what they know is

1330
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 2: going to be ninety thousand acres.

1331
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 7: Well, it was the first of the declaration of taking right, well, right,

1332
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 7: there were only like two or three declarations of taking.

1333
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 7: Oh really, Yeah, they were very sparse, and so when

1334
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 7: they come with a declaration of taking, it's over and done.

1335
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 7: There's you know, that's wow, They've got it. And their

1336
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 7: place was at Lost Valley. You've probably everybody's Lost Valley.

1337
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 7: It's a gorgeous spot. But it was kind of the

1338
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 7: it was it was a real i don't want to

1339
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 7: say the crown jewel, but it was a real feather

1340
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 7: in their cap to get Lost Vallete.

1341
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 1: Then what's so wild is that their neighbors they didn't

1342
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: take the land.

1343
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 7: Well, they did some of it, but they you know,

1344
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 7: back in the I think it was in the late

1345
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 7: eighties or the early nineties. Jim Lyles worked for the

1346
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 7: Park Service. He was an assistant superintendent. He's a real

1347
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 7: good friend of mine.

1348
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: I hope he considers me from author of this book

1349
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,679
Speaker 1: right here, which I referenced quite a bit.

1350
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 7: Which is all folks talking is is is the next

1351
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 7: book down from the Bible. For me, that's my genealogy

1352
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 7: Bible right there, and he is. He and his wife

1353
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 7: both Susie Lyles, his wife was a historian at the

1354
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 7: Park Service, and they gave so much to our community

1355
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 7: through that book and through the other work that they

1356
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 7: did of recording histories and and Jim was the one

1357
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 7: that kind of came up and created the leaseback program

1358
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 7: in Boxley Valley. So a lot of the reason why

1359
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:09,600
Speaker 7: you still see residential occupation in Boxley is because of

1360
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 7: Jim and what he came up with to let people

1361
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 7: lease back their family farms. And that was wonderful, but

1362
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 7: there were certain ones that just didn't didn't qualify. I

1363
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 7: think with the declaration of taking, I don't know if

1364
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 7: that would even make it, you know, an option.

1365
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so complicated and there's so many little facets.

1366
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 2: One thing that was on the interview with Katie Keaton

1367
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 2: is she told about seeing a black panther.

1368
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not kidding. I got it.

1369
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 4: She changed her mind.

1370
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 1: Well, when it.

1371
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 2: Came from her, I was like, well I might have

1372
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 2: believe it might be real.

1373
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, for real, she told she told the story of

1374
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 1: seeing a black panther. We up in Boxley or somewhere.

1375
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 7: There's no manner of critter that we don't have. My

1376
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 7: grandpa was one of the best trappers on the river.

1377
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 7: That was his. That was his whole life was fishing

1378
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 7: and trapping and hunting, and he's talked about killing panthers

1379
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 7: and now it hasn't been recent. Yeah, and don't know

1380
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 7: that it was a hawks bill, but it was definitely.

1381
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 2: You find me a picture of a black panther that

1382
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 2: he caught, and we're gonna take it to town. I

1383
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 2: don't have that, Okay, Hey, Lake, I mentioned venomous snakes

1384
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 2: getting bit by venomous snakes. I've got two fools in

1385
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 2: our presence who has been bit by venomous snakes. One

1386
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 2: was just acting the fool when he was bit how'd

1387
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 2: you get bit by a venomous snake?

1388
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 5: Mine's not much better, oh much better at all?

1389
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: Which category would you be in? So I said, if

1390
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: you want to get my attention, tell me how many

1391
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: venomus snakes you've been bit by, But not if you

1392
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: were just goofing around with one.

1393
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 5: I was goofing around, but I was not. This is

1394
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 5: it is the only interesting twist to it. I was

1395
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 5: goofing around, but I was not goofing around with a

1396
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 5: snake because I did not even know I had been

1397
01:10:55,920 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 5: bit true story, So do tell. So we were out

1398
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 5: about doing country kids stuff at night and the next

1399
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 5: days in Mississippi at summertime, which is just venomous snakes central.

1400
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,759
Speaker 5: We were tall grass and I had on like flip flops.

1401
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,799
Speaker 1: Lord, and so if you get bit wearing flip flops.

1402
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 5: And I was supposed to play in the band in

1403
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 5: a wedding the next day, and so I'm play drums, yeah,

1404
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 5: in my former life, So I mean I'm sitting there

1405
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 5: behind the drums. I mean like the bride has walked

1406
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 5: down and they're doing the ceremony, and I remember being like,

1407
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 5: ankle hurts, and I reached down, I felt my ankle.

1408
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 5: My ankle just was swollen. And then I was like,

1409
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 5: something is wrong. And I went to stand up and

1410
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 5: I couldn't put any weight on that leg. And I

1411
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 5: thought spider or something that had bit me or whatever.

1412
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 5: And get home. I look and I mean I saw

1413
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 5: the two marks, but still I was like, snake. Would

1414
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 5: you know I would see a snake bite me. I

1415
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 5: went to the family doctor and tell him, like something

1416
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 5: bit me, a spider or something whatever. He walks in

1417
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 5: and looks at it and he said, that's a snake bite.

1418
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 5: And they, I mean, they had to put me on

1419
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 5: and I couldn't walk on it for five days.

1420
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: But so when did you get bit the night before?

1421
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 5: Just just walking through the grass, he said. I said,

1422
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 5: because when he told me that, he said that ain't

1423
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 5: spider by it, that's a snake. And I said, doctor Rowland,

1424
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 5: you're the doctor here. But I always figured if I

1425
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 5: got snake bit I would know about it. And he

1426
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 5: said it happens more often than you would think.

1427
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 4: Is that right?

1428
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 5: And he said, basically it wasn't even like the venom

1429
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 5: that got me is just more of like bacteria infection.

1430
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 5: But yeah, I got a picture of it.

1431
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 1: It's kind of a soft snake bite story.

1432
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 5: I just weak.

1433
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 1: I just told you. No, I'm not doubting you.

1434
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 2: I was just hoping that you were like trying to

1435
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 2: dove into the grass to like catch a deer.

1436
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 5: No, I mean it was the most bizarre. Yeah, I

1437
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 5: wish that'd be the case.

1438
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 2: The hat tip to your snake bite. That's good, that's good.

1439
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: That's good. Brent.

1440
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 4: How'd you get bit trying to catch one?

1441
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 8: Well?

1442
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 9: I actually I called him and then he called me,

1443
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 9: and I wouldn't do anything you him.

1444
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 4: He called me a fool.

1445
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 9: Ago he did, but I don't have any videos of

1446
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,560
Speaker 9: me catching them on Instagram.

1447
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,719
Speaker 2: You know how many times Clay's been bitten by venom

1448
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 2: of snake that punctured the skin?

1449
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 4: Zero?

1450
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 8: You know how many times Granny Henderson is by.

1451
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: Mistakeny wasn't messing with it?

1452
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 8: Twice?

1453
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 1: Three times? I remember twice, but on the on the podcast,

1454
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 1: Jane said three.

1455
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 5: But yeah, and then stone cold fed him to the pigs.

1456
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, take that, yeah.

1457
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 7: Because you don't let nothing go to wait, that's.

1458
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, fed him to the pigs, fed him to

1459
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: the pigs. Yeah. My snake handling days are numbered now

1460
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:49,520
Speaker 1: that we have good insurance.

1461
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 4: I ain't called one since then.

1462
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 1: I messed with him a little bit.

1463
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 7: Did your insurance agent listen to.

1464
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 1: This, hope not?

1465
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 4: What?

1466
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1467
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 8: Do you want to tell people who would be interested

1468
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 8: in supporting.

1469
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the end, we're going to do that. We're

1470
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 2: almost there, Misty. Is there any any other any anything

1471
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 2: else you'd like to say? Just give you the open

1472
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 2: open mic here.

1473
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 7: We had visited when you were at the house, and

1474
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 7: I had said something about I was surprised that it

1475
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 7: didn't end in, you know, gun a gun battle or

1476
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 7: gun shots or something like that. And I had visited

1477
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 7: with a gentleman in Voxley Valley and I won't mention

1478
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:38,600
Speaker 7: his name because he didn't tell me I could. I

1479
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 7: didn't ask I should have, but I asked him that question,

1480
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 7: and I said, how in the world did we, you know,

1481
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 7: avoid somebody getting shot? Because with everybody who you know,

1482
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 7: everybody hunted, so everybody had I mean everybody had guns.

1483
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 7: And he said, because we were good Christian people and

1484
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 7: we knew better. And I thought, well, you know, I

1485
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 7: guess I was that was it?

1486
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1487
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 7: And that was I really think that that was was it.

1488
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 7: There was a case in Serse County and if you

1489
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 7: want to hear it, I'll read it, and if not,

1490
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 7: that's fine. But there was a case in Sersey County

1491
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 7: where the person who was moved off, they said that

1492
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 7: they were held at gunpoint. And I spoke to their

1493
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 7: I think it was the great granddaughter, and I asked

1494
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 7: them if I could read it here, if time permitted

1495
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 7: and all that, and she said yes, but it was

1496
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 7: something that was really difficult for their family. Of course,

1497
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 7: it was Curse County, so it's it's out of my realm.

1498
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 7: I had heard about it, but I didn't know. I

1499
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 7: didn't even remember their names. But so there was a

1500
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 7: case where one family was held at gunpoint and they

1501
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 7: received a declaration of taking as well. So they were

1502
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 7: one of the few of those that was you know,

1503
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 7: that was given out and it and it was strange

1504
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 7: whenever those were given out, it seemed like that the

1505
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,719
Speaker 7: property value was a lot less. So for the Lost

1506
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:02,520
Speaker 7: Valley and the Keatons, the initial amount that was deposited

1507
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 7: in there in the holding account for them for that

1508
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 7: property was thirteen thousand dollars.

1509
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: Wow, and this was like t far.

1510
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 7: I would assume it was one sixty just because that

1511
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 7: was the homestead amount of land and so, and we

1512
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 7: all know what Lost Valley looks like. It's it's absolutely incredible.

1513
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 7: And I don't know that they owned all the way

1514
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 7: up there, because the Primroses did own some up there

1515
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 7: and the way land lays it's different. But it was

1516
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 7: around the Beechwood School and the opening part of Lost Valley,

1517
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 7: you know, for thirteen thousand, Yes, and they and the

1518
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,679
Speaker 7: slaves in Sarcey County, along with a few other families,

1519
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:46,799
Speaker 7: did take them to court to get a more fair amount.

1520
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 7: And they as far as I know, I know the

1521
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 7: slaves one and I know the Keatons one. I don't

1522
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 7: know the outcome for the others that.

1523
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 1: They can you can you summarize the story of the Gunpoint, Well,

1524
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: let me look.

1525
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 7: And see how long it is, real quick, and i'll

1526
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 7: if you guys want to chat for just a second,

1527
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 7: I'll find it. I think I've got it marked. Well,

1528
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 7: it's not it's a couple paragraphs. Basically, the slaves were

1529
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 7: wanting to do some blasting and the park was saying

1530
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 7: that it was in an area where they were going

1531
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 7: to blast the bluff, and they were saying, no, it's not,

1532
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 7: it's so far away and so there's not going to

1533
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 7: be any impact to the bluff. So just let us

1534
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 7: do what we're going to do. And he had went

1535
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 7: mister slay, I think his name was Emmett. He had

1536
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 7: went to the park and they didn't even tell him

1537
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 7: that they were going to serve him with a declaration

1538
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 7: of taking the very next day. So he was there, say,

1539
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 7: on a Tuesday, and then they served him on the

1540
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 7: very next day and nobody said anything. And meanwhile his

1541
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 7: wife was sick and I believe in bed, and he

1542
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 7: had went out looking for a sick calf. And while

1543
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 7: he was out looking for that calf, these two men

1544
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 7: approached him. And as he was going to that place,

1545
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 7: he was listening on the radio and it said that

1546
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 7: there were two escape convicts. To be on the lookout

1547
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 7: for these two escape convicts, And so he was, you know,

1548
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 7: as we are around, you know, well will you pay

1549
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 7: a little extra attention if you're out and about And

1550
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 7: he was looking for that calf, and two armed men

1551
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 7: with shotguns stepped up on him and said, you need

1552
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 7: to We have taken this land as of ten o'clock

1553
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 7: this morning. You need to go back home. There's a

1554
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:39,480
Speaker 7: man there with your wife and he let out, and

1555
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:42,839
Speaker 7: his statement says that their fingers were on the trigger

1556
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 7: of the shotguns. And I believe it was the superintendent

1557
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 7: of the Park Service, who wasn't even in town at

1558
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 7: that time, denied that and said they weren't, but I

1559
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 7: believe it was marshals. I don't even know if it

1560
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 7: was actual park Service employees, and I think that happened

1561
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 7: a lot where things were contracted out. But either way,

1562
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 7: the these men showed up at gunpoint, and when he

1563
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 7: got to his house, there was somebody with a gun

1564
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 7: in his home and they were told to get out

1565
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 7: of their home. That at ten o'clock that morning, it

1566
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 7: was no longer their home. Wow. So it's you know,

1567
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 7: when we talk about the black and white and all

1568
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 7: the gray and the muddy areas, there are good and

1569
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 7: there are bad in all of this. But in order

1570
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 7: to in order to get past it, we got to

1571
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 7: own it. You got to own all that crap. You

1572
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 7: got to own all the bad stuff before you can

1573
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,560
Speaker 7: come out on the other side. If you want locals

1574
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 7: and people to get on board with preservation and conservation,

1575
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:46,759
Speaker 7: you need to acknowledge their hurt feelings and their lost

1576
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 7: legacy because for us subsistence subsistence farming, you don't make money,

1577
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 7: you know, you get by you grow what you eat.

1578
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:59,560
Speaker 7: And they would everybody would grow a watermelon patch and

1579
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 7: they would that to town and that would be their

1580
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 7: spending money. And so when you take their land, that's

1581
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 7: their legacy, that's what they were going to give to

1582
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 7: their children, their great you know, and it would just

1583
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 7: be passed on. Like myself, I'm seventh generation to work

1584
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 7: and live on the farm that my ancestors you know,

1585
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 7: provided to me. It's been but now my parents did

1586
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 7: a lot of work stitching it all together, because as

1587
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 7: time moves on, you lose bits and pieces. And so

1588
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 7: when you take, when you take so much from a people,

1589
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,799
Speaker 7: and then you know, we see a lot of threads

1590
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 7: and stuff on social media that say get over it,

1591
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 7: just get over it. That happened so long ago. How

1592
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 7: would you deal with someone coming to your home and

1593
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 7: saying I own your house. Get out, you don't own

1594
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 7: it anymore, and you saying, well, yeah I do. I've

1595
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 7: made all the payments, you know, I'm free and clear,

1596
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 7: this is my house. And I think that a lot

1597
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:03,599
Speaker 7: of people need that need conversations like this to put

1598
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 7: a face on it so that they can see their

1599
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 7: mamma or see their self in that situation where if

1600
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 7: I was in that place, how would I feel? Because

1601
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 7: there's always a price to be paid, but until you're

1602
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 7: the one paying the price, you don't really care what

1603
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 7: the price tag is.

1604
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 2: H Yeah, No, that's that's great. I think we got

1605
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:31,720
Speaker 2: to talk about the redesignation a little bit, Kyle, what

1606
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 2: do you?

1607
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 4: What do you?

1608
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 2: I mean, we laid it out. I mean, the bottom

1609
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 2: line is that there's there's groups in Arkansas. It's not

1610
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 2: the National Park Service that are wanting to redesignate the

1611
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 2: river and it would be an upgrade in national park

1612
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 2: designation to right now, it's a the Buffalo National River

1613
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 2: and the proposal and it's not an official proposal. It's

1614
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 2: not like this is in law or it's come to

1615
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 2: vote or there was just talk of, which is very

1616
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 2: serious talk of from the groups that it came from,

1617
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 2: about redesignating the river to a National park and preserve, which,

1618
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 2: as I understand, it would mean that the Buffalo National

1619
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 2: River would like ray elevate in status and and and

1620
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 2: it basically it would attract a whole bunch more people.

1621
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 2: But Kyle, what do we what do y'all think about that?

1622
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 6: I've got a lot of thoughts about it, but uh,

1623
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 6: before before I give you some, I want to ask

1624
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 6: the group what do we think is more exploitive?

1625
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 4: Is it the.

1626
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 6: Was it the original people who live there, or is

1627
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,799
Speaker 6: it a national river or a national park and preserve?

1628
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 4: What do y'all think if.

1629
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 6: We're gonna I guess we're gonna find exploitive. Yeah, exploitive

1630
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 6: for the use of the land or the river.

1631
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 1: Hmm, unanswerable.

1632
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 4: I don't know how you answer that.

1633
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know how you answered.

1634
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 9: What I wish is I left everybody alone and every

1635
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 9: generation since then was still have that place.

1636
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 5: And I was best friends with them, so I could go.

1637
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 6: Down there so you can also enjoy it and photo.

1638
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 6: You really can't answer it. But I just I've been

1639
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 6: chewing on that since somebody brought it up, maybe earlier.

1640
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 6: Of the exploitive quote, and and you know, you have

1641
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 6: the exploiters and the preservers kind of kind of thing.

1642
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,719
Speaker 6: It doesn't seem like a fair dichotomy to place people

1643
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:24,799
Speaker 6: in because.

1644
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:26,919
Speaker 5: I don't even think the original I think it exploited.

1645
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 5: It called them exploiters. That was that was just poor terminology.

1646
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 6: It is, yeah, I would yeah, I think we exploit

1647
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 6: the river now more than it was ever was ever

1648
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 6: being done before as far as.

1649
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 4: Tourist dollars.

1650
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:49,600
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, I mean people people wanting to float it,

1651
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 6: people using it as they should. It's I mean, it's

1652
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,639
Speaker 6: a national river and it's it's public and they can

1653
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 6: and uh Miss Misty's talked about the the cars lining

1654
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 6: bumper to bumper to bumper down miles and miles of

1655
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 6: road for people who just want to get a taste

1656
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 6: of the Buffalo, they just want to experience it for

1657
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 6: the first time. And so I think the redesignation to

1658
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 6: go there the way it went about, and we've talked

1659
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 6: about it before, and y'all have read about it and

1660
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 6: heard about it and seen other people cover it.

1661
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 4: They seemed to do or want to do.

1662
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 6: They went about, I guess I should say the conversation

1663
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 6: for redesignating it in a very similar way that happened

1664
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:28,639
Speaker 6: about fifty years ago, which was.

1665
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 4: Grassroots.

1666
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 6: Only a couple of people let the news spread as

1667
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 6: it needed to, but it wasn't an official here's a proposal,

1668
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 6: let's talk about it. And gather everybody, which is I

1669
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 6: know why Missy, you know, called a town hall. We're

1670
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:44,479
Speaker 6: going to get everybody involved and we're going to figure

1671
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 6: out what they're saying. And the language was masked and

1672
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 6: hidden and not very readable or understandable. And that's not

1673
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 6: to say, well, the people who live there don't know

1674
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 6: how to read the question and understand it. You don't

1675
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 6: know how to like it doesn't make sense in some ways.

1676
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 6: It's just very very governmental.

1677
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 4: I don't know what.

1678
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 5: It's kind of.

1679
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,680
Speaker 6: It's purposefully, purposefully deceptive, and yeah, a little bit a

1680
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 6: little bit hidden, and so not to name all the

1681
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 6: players that we've found out and have asked to interview

1682
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 6: and they've declined and said no comment, all that kind

1683
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 6: of stuff. But I think big Arkansas money, you can

1684
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 6: let your mind go where you need that to go.

1685
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:26,719
Speaker 6: And Arkansas Governmental Power had this redesignation proposal on the table,

1686
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 6: and I think wanted to I wanted to see it elevated.

1687
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's for more protection. I don't

1688
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,640
Speaker 6: know if it's for more hunting and fishing rights, or

1689
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's because they also just want

1690
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 6: more control over it so they can increase tourist dollars,

1691
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 6: and so it's I think I have opinions about it.

1692
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 6: I know where I land on it, but nothing is

1693
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 6: official enough to comment on it and then not come

1694
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 6: back later.

1695
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 4: And you know, look the fool for talking about it that.

1696
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:55,679
Speaker 1: Way to me, And what I reported to the world

1697
01:25:55,720 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 1: in this podcast was like the what the commute feel

1698
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 1: confidence saying the consensus of the community is that they

1699
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 1: don't want this.

1700
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a bad idea, I.

1701
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:10,679
Speaker 2: Mean, and that's that's even more powerful than your opinion

1702
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 2: or my opinion totally, because I mean, like for me

1703
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 2: to have an opinion that I'm trying to push doing

1704
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 2: the same thing that the group that's trying to push

1705
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 2: their opinion. I mean, for real, Like if you notice

1706
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 2: on that podcast, I didn't say whether I was four

1707
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 2: or against it, but I mean, I think it's clear.

1708
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm against it, but I don't want that

1709
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. What matters was the clip that I used

1710
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 2: where the it was the one of the board.

1711
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 1: Members of Farm BUA.

1712
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, where he said, hey, we as a board and

1713
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 2: not that Farm Bureau speaks for the county. But I

1714
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 2: felt like he was speaking for the county in a way,

1715
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 2: and he just said, we don't think there's any benefit

1716
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 2: to this, and I mean, that's kind of where it

1717
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 2: lands with me.

1718
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 6: BHA would say the same thing. I'm on the Public

1719
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 6: Waters Committee of BHA. It's like, doesn't seem like it

1720
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 6: helps anything. If anything, it seems like it could come

1721
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 6: around to take away what we're fighting for, that kind

1722
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 6: of stuff. And so but I'm like, y'all, I just

1723
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 6: I enjoy it. I've grown up loving it, but I

1724
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 6: don't live in it. And so I think I'm I

1725
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 6: think I care enough about people being able to be

1726
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 6: left alone. That's very Arkansas of me, very Bzarkian of me,

1727
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 6: like leave us alone, that whole sentiment, that's America. Be

1728
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 6: just American of me. But Misty, doctor, Misty, you are.

1729
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 8: I was just going to say, it seems like it

1730
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 8: would further restrict the people who still live there right now.

1731
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 8: I mean, that seems to be what they could do

1732
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 8: on their own property. And if it doesn't produce a

1733
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 8: massive benefit, I mean, I think it's worth a debate

1734
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 8: even if it produced significant benefit for everybody else in

1735
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 8: the world. And I still don't think it would be

1736
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 8: a well, for sure, we should do it, but especially

1737
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 8: since it does not seem to produce much benefit. I mean,

1738
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 8: that's that's just I get, is that it doesn't really

1739
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 8: what doesn't improve, Yeah, and it certainly would take away

1740
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 8: some some thing.

1741
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 6: Almost won't value say what it would improve, at least

1742
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 6: in the current stage. When we were uncovering it last fall,

1743
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,799
Speaker 6: I say, we a lot of people uncovered it, Misty

1744
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 6: really uncovered it, and other people were talking about it.

1745
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 6: But the proposal almost wasn't willing to say what it

1746
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 6: wanted to do or what it would improve. It was

1747
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 6: more just everybody agrees that a national park and preserve

1748
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 6: is better than a national river, Like that's what we

1749
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:33,719
Speaker 6: do around here. We make things better. So of course

1750
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 6: of course it's better. It's a higher designation. And when

1751
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:38,680
Speaker 6: you're trying to figure out what that means, that it

1752
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 6: just doesn't it doesn't come out clear.

1753
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 5: But I in park and.

1754
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 7: Preserve it is such a new idea within the park system.

1755
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 7: I don't understand why you would want to take the

1756
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 7: nation's very first national river a scenic waterway and fiddle

1757
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 7: with it when you don't really when you don't know,

1758
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 7: and number one, when you don't have the support of locals.

1759
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 7: It seems like the only I don't wait out into

1760
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 7: it because that Lord, I've waited out so deep now

1761
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 7: that i'm you know, eyeball deep now up to turn

1762
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:14,559
Speaker 7: back out to Shakespeare's But it seems like the only

1763
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 7: thing it's going to do is line some people's pockets.

1764
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 7: And it's some some big people that maybe don't even

1765
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 7: need their pockets lined. And the communities that they're dealing

1766
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 7: with are teetering on. You know, there's there's a lot

1767
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 7: of poverty. There's a lot of people but nobody knows

1768
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 7: we're in poverty. We're just poor and we just go

1769
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:37,640
Speaker 7: on kind of a thing. But I think there's a

1770
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 7: lot of people who look at the commercialization aspect of it,

1771
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 7: like who wouldn't want more? Well, you know, once upon

1772
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 7: a time, all of this in town, you know, this

1773
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 7: was all prairies, this was this was wilderness areas too.

1774
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 7: And I know we have to have cities, and I

1775
01:29:55,800 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 7: know we have to have civilization, but why would we

1776
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,440
Speaker 7: want to start messing around in our national park system

1777
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 7: to potentially commercialize and bring more people in when we

1778
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 7: are not able to manage the people we have now?

1779
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 7: And if we're praying that Congress is going to fund

1780
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:17,800
Speaker 7: the National Parks? Why do we have to be redesignated

1781
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:19,559
Speaker 7: in order to do that? Why don't they just fund

1782
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 7: the National Parks? Is every park going to have to

1783
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:25,719
Speaker 7: go through because it's not just the Buffalo National River

1784
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 7: that has issues with facilities and access in different areas

1785
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 7: that we're needing help with. That's across the board of

1786
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 7: all the National Parks properties. Do they all need to

1787
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 7: be redesignated in order to get a little bit of

1788
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:42,640
Speaker 7: cash to fund them? You know, to me, that's nonsense.

1789
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 7: It's just nonsense to think that we're going to have

1790
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 7: to go through some process in order to get some

1791
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 7: extra money.

1792
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 4: Right right?

1793
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:51,760
Speaker 2: I understand yeah, because that would probably be the first

1794
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 2: thing that somebody would say is they would be like, well,

1795
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 2: if you need more money, this is the way to

1796
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 2: get more money. But then I've also heard that the

1797
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 2: redesignation doesn't guarantee money.

1798
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:04,080
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to. I mean, I'm not ready to.

1799
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 2: The podcast wasn't about all the details of the of

1800
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 2: the redesignation, because I think.

1801
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 8: They would have talked, they would have been a part

1802
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 8: of this. I mean, you're not You're not You're not

1803
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 8: that's the point of your conversation.

1804
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 2: Is right, Oh yeah, oh yeah, we could have got

1805
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:21,639
Speaker 2: somebody to talk about the redesignation and that just wasn't

1806
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 2: what we were talking about, you know. But but but

1807
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:28,560
Speaker 2: it was noteworthy and relevant to bring up at this point,

1808
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 2: you know.

1809
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 8: And is it going to piss out the people? I mean,

1810
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 8: those are the things I think about. Is it going

1811
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 8: to price out the people like has happened in Tennessee,

1812
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:38,600
Speaker 8: for the people around the Smoky Mountains where their grandkids

1813
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 8: can't buy land near them. Those are those are things

1814
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 8: that we should I think. Yeah, whenever you're talking about progress,

1815
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 8: it's really important to de find what progress is.

1816
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:53,720
Speaker 1: And you know, people people like us take criticism, And

1817
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 1: I will take criticism for even bringing up the Buffalo

1818
01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 1: National River because people will say that I'm like spot burning.

1819
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 2: Just just even by bringing it up, right, they'd be like, well, Clay,

1820
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 2: you're doing what because people might hear this and be like, man,

1821
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 2: I want to go check out the river. I don't

1822
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 2: know what to say about that. This is a story

1823
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 2: that needs to be told, and don't come leave Misty

1824
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 2: alone and her family them.

1825
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:25,920
Speaker 7: Well, you know, and I'm a cabin owner. So yeah,

1826
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 7: you know, if anybody wants to call somebody a hypocrite,

1827
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 7: I guess they can sling that at me. But I

1828
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 7: look at it in a way that we have always

1829
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 7: had tourism. I mean even ev and they would put

1830
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 7: people up in houses for people and they would come down,

1831
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:45,639
Speaker 7: floaters would go down and she would cook for them

1832
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 7: or you know, it was just that there's always been

1833
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 7: there's always been somebody there wanting to see the river,

1834
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 7: and we would just say like come on, you know,

1835
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 7: but there is a threshold that that a river can

1836
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 7: only take so much, you can only take so much

1837
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 7: from it. And if we're looking at like with Neil

1838
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 7: Compton in the Ozark Society, one of their biggest issues

1839
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 7: was the horse ranch at Steel Creek, the Yarborough horse Ranch.

1840
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 7: That was one of those things where they said we

1841
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:17,759
Speaker 7: absolutely have to get them off of this river because

1842
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 7: they are destroying it. They are a nuisance. And I

1843
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 7: forget all of the exact words, but there were some

1844
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:26,839
Speaker 7: pretty harsh words about that bunch of people, that family

1845
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:30,800
Speaker 7: that owned that and if we're going to commercialize it,

1846
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 7: that's kind of like, well, you ran these people off

1847
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 7: their land that they had legally bought and they had

1848
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 7: a business there and they weren't affecting anybody, and people

1849
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 7: came from all over the world to buy Arabian horses

1850
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 7: from them. And so if we're going to commercialize it,

1851
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 7: it doesn't seem like that we're really being conservationists. If

1852
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 7: we take from one person, they're just not good enough

1853
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:57,759
Speaker 7: to do what we want. And then later on, fifty

1854
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 7: years later, well let's do it something else and maybe

1855
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 7: bring in a few more people and maybe do this

1856
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:09,560
Speaker 7: and maybe do that. You know, that's a little bit underhanded.

1857
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 2: I feel like, yep, well, this has been great, guys, Lake,

1858
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 2: thanks for coming, Thanks for having me, Kyle, much appreciated,

1859
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 2: Miss Ship, thank you for coming.

1860
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:24,760
Speaker 5: And all you other people, all you local exploiters.

1861
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:26,800
Speaker 7: Don't forget about the money.

1862
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 4: Follow them.

1863
01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Well so Buffalo River Partners.

1864
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:34,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'd spoke with one of the one of the

1865
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,840
Speaker 7: people on the I think on the board, I believe

1866
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 7: she's on the board, and she told me who the

1867
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:42,559
Speaker 7: president was, gave me his number, and the amount that

1868
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 7: they have gotten. They've already they've already reached the amount

1869
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 7: that they needed for Granny Henderson's house to do the

1870
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 7: reconstruction or the repairs that they're going to do, and

1871
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:53,639
Speaker 7: that's supposed to start this fall and winter. But they

1872
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:56,120
Speaker 7: have a lot of other historic structures within the park.

1873
01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 7: One of them is at the junction of seventy four

1874
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 7: and forty three and a lot of people know that

1875
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:03,560
Speaker 7: is the Beaver Jim Boyhood Home and that's one that

1876
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 7: they're going to have to start working on soon. So

1877
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 7: if anybody you had mentioned, if you know, people had

1878
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 7: wanted to donate, if they do, it's not going to

1879
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 7: go particularly to EV's house, but it will go into

1880
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 7: a fund for the historic structures. So that's something you know,

1881
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 7: I can put you in touch with them, and.

1882
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:24,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it worked out so Buffalo River Partners. I'll

1883
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 2: probably post a link on my social media. But that

1884
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 2: had a lot of people wanting to contribute to Granny's house,

1885
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 2: which is it's a good it's a good thing that

1886
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 2: they already have the money they need to repair it

1887
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 2: in the way they do, so that's big. But you

1888
01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 2: can still we can still gather up some money for

1889
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 2: other there's there's lots.

1890
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 1: Like I said, I.

1891
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 2: Just cherry picked Granny's story and hers was the most famous,

1892
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:52,240
Speaker 2: but there's a ton of other other stories and other

1893
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 2: historic structures on the river.

1894
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:56,120
Speaker 4: You can just fix it once. You got to keep

1895
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 4: it up.

1896
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. So yeah, so look for some inform

1897
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:03,680
Speaker 1: of that, but it's the Buffalo River Partners. It's specifically

1898
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 1: who is doing that. But uh yeah, thank you all

1899
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 1: so much.

1900
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 2: Man, I kind of wish I'm kind of saying, I

1901
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:12,960
Speaker 2: always kind of get sad when some of these series

1902
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 2: end because for a period of time, it's like I

1903
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:20,479
Speaker 2: was going over and riding mules with Justin for about

1904
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 2: two weeks there. I was over over in Newton County

1905
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 2: like every three days, you know, meeting people and talking

1906
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 2: to people was a lot of fun.

1907
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 4: So but so for.

1908
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:33,920
Speaker 5: Now, And if you want to leave us a comment.

1909
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can email us at where.

1910
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 5: Bear Grease at the meat eater dot com.

1911
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep. Thanks guys, thank you,