1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks, presented by 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: Castro alleged DJ Bucky back with you, Buck. What's the word? Man? 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: Everything is good? Man? Like just getting really excited, dj uh. 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: The Senior Bowl is a week away, and I know 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: it is crazy because in a way, my body clock 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: is all off because this has been an unusual football 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: season where we haven't had the normal milestones or moments 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: that were kind of signified, like, Okay, here's bowl season, 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: here's this, here's that. I need to get these reports 11 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: and get this ready. It's kind of been a blur 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: like in a weird way, and so I feel like 13 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: I'm playing catchup getting ready for next week. But the 14 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: Senior Bowler is upon us, and once that goes, man, 15 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: it is all it's all draft talk, all draft talk 16 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah. We're such like creatures of habit, right, 17 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: and we do kind of these routines and it's just 18 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: you know, at this time of year, you're supposed to 19 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: be physically located here and you're supposed to be doing this. 20 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: So for you know, ten years since I went over 21 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: this media thing. It's always at the East West. I'm 22 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: ending on my top fifty right I'm finishing a mock draft, 23 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: which I just finished one, the first one. I think 24 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: it's gonna post on Friday. Um, but so you finish 25 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: that and then I'm trying to finish up guys. I 26 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: need to watch for my top fifth of this and 27 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm writing my top fifty. You know, little many reports 28 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: that I do on those guys, and I'm always doing 29 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: that in the hotel in Tampa as um as We're 30 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: going to practices there and watching that, and so I 31 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: just feel totally out of sorts right now to be 32 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: doing this stuff at home. It feels weird. DJ. It's 33 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: super weird because it's funny because you always talk about 34 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: it because one of the things that our miss is 35 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: like at the East West, like that's when we would connect. 36 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: We would always go after the last practice, go get 37 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: something to eat, and then it's lockdown. It's in the 38 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: room trying to hammer out reports and list and you're 39 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: talking about your top fifty. I'm working on my top 40 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: five and trying to get all that stuff together. And 41 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: it's different. This year is unlike any of the year 42 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to it, and so you would always 43 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: go from East West game where we would call it, 44 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: and then go from there over to Mobile and be 45 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: there all week. And really that's kind of like the 46 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: first time that you will the two weeks of the 47 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: first time that you catch it with all the scouts, 48 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: they're in a tennis and now without the combine. I 49 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: don't know when we have the the the good old 50 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: evaluated convention. I don't know if it exists this year 51 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: where we kind of catch up and get all of 52 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: those things sort of because you know, like people were 53 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: here about the general manager changes in those things, and 54 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: it won't be necessarily a mass exodus from personnel departments, 55 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: but there will be some changes and you're trying to 56 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: catch up with people and do numbers change and all 57 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: the other stuff. So just a weird time right now. Yeah, 58 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: it is weird, man, But we do have a good 59 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: episode today. We're gonna touch on these championship games, what 60 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: we're looking for in those. I want to talk about 61 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: some of these draft kids that we've been working on. 62 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: What we've seen lately. You've been working on those top 63 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: five lists, Um, I'm working on top fifty. So just 64 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: stuff that stood out to us recently from what we've seen, um, 65 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: and then we can start things off here with some 66 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: of the news that we have around the league. We've 67 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: got the Jags. Uh, they go ahead and hire Trent Balky. 68 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: He's gonna team up with Urban Meyern there. But the 69 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: one I wanted to hit you up on was was 70 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: Dan Campbell going from the Saints to the Lions. Your 71 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: thoughts on that one. So here's an interesting thought. And 72 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: in Dan Campbell, um, I heard like there's a lot 73 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: of conversation obviously, Uh, the last go around when Bob 74 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: Quid was in the building to hire Matt Patricia, but 75 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: they also brought in Mike Rabel, if I'm not mistaken, 76 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: and there were a lot of people on the inside 77 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: they really liked what Mike Rabel presented UM. Not necessarily 78 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: as a guy, I mean he had been a coordinated 79 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: for a year, but just his presence and how he 80 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: carried himself or whatever. And I felt like that left 81 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: a lasting impression on those who were doing the hiring 82 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: this time around. And so in Dan Campbell, you get 83 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: someone who is not a coordinator on either side of 84 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: the ball, a guy who goes from being a position 85 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: coach and associate head coach who has some interim head 86 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: coaching experience, but the best qualities that he brings leader 87 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: of men um, a grizzel guy, a communicator, a guy 88 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: who has a clear sense of direction when it comes 89 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: to building a team. His experiences on the part Bill 90 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: parcels his experience with Sean Payton kind of understanding how 91 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: they go about it. And also, I think I think 92 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: it's important to remember this is a guy who played 93 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: in Detroit. He understands the organization. He understands what this 94 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: organization and franchise means to this city. I think there's 95 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: a lot to it, and so it will be interesting 96 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: to see what this staff looks like that he puts together. 97 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: But I think they wanted a guy who wasn't according that. 98 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: They wanted a CEO type who also had a presence 99 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: to be an unquestioned leader in that building. All I 100 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: want to ask you a two part question here, Um, 101 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: if you're Detroit, is this ay? Is this a a 102 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: retooling or is this a rebuild? So that's the first one. 103 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: The second one is what would you accept if you're Detroit. 104 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford's thirty two years old and I'm gonna give 105 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: you two teams just just as I'm looking at this here. 106 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you the Denver Broncos who picked they 107 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: picked ninth um. I'm gonna give you the Indianapolis Cult 108 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: to pick twenty one. So do you think this is 109 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: a we can just add a couple of pieces around 110 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford and we're gonna miraculously go from a five 111 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: win team to an eleven win team. So we're gonna 112 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: flip our record. It's gonna be a miracle. Or is 113 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: this a we start fresh? It's you know, we have 114 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: Matthew Staffords to us tremendous value, especially when you think 115 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: about those two teams. I mean, I just imagine what 116 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: that Denver offense would look like with Matt Stafford, and 117 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: then I imagine what the Colts offense would look like 118 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford. I gotta believe that even he's thirty two, 119 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: that's you're feeling like you're gonna get four or five 120 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: pretty elite years here. If you're those teams, I would 121 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: think they asking price would be pretty dang high, I 122 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: would think so. I think if you're the lines one, 123 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: I think if you're Brad Holmes and you come in, 124 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: um Man, what what what what? I won't call it 125 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: a rebuild. I won't call it the reto. I'll call 126 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: the rehab. It's a rehab. You watch all those shows 127 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: Windy City Rehab is one of my favorites. Actually it's 128 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: a rehab, So it is. It is a mixing between 129 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: it is. We need to fix it up. We need 130 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: more than just a paint job in carpet like we 131 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: have to go in. We may need to fix the kitchen, 132 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: we may need to kind of upgrade the bathrooms. But 133 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: we like some of the structure that's in place. Because, 134 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: as you talked about Matthew Stafford, you certainly like the 135 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: fact that he started two years old. He still can 136 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: play at a high level. He has playing for a 137 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: number of head coaches and a number of offensive coordinators. 138 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: But I would like to think that maybe we put 139 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: the right play caller around him, he can elevate whatever 140 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: we have. We do need to upgrade the talent around him, 141 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: um and make sure that he has that. The defense, 142 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: in my mind, needs a lot of work because you 143 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: don't have any pass rushes, you don't have anything. UM. 144 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: I would entertain possibly swapping him out if I could 145 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: get a top ten pick and the quarterback. But I 146 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: think the lines are more inclined to keep him because 147 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: I think the thing that would crush the lines is 148 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: if they trade him away and he goes to the 149 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: Indianapolis Coast or even the Denver Broncos and those teams 150 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: have success, everyone in Detroit is gonna look around, like, 151 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: what are we doing? We had a guy that is 152 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: already ready made. I think it's a really tough situation 153 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: to be in because you have a quarterback that's been 154 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: to ten eleven years and you haven't really won anything 155 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: major with him a lot to show for it, right, 156 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: But you appreciate the talent because when you walk into 157 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: you're like, man, this dude is super talented. What do 158 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: we do. I think it's a very very tough situation. 159 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: But I think because Dan Campbell comes from where he 160 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: comes from, his experience, I think he probably leans more 161 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: towards like, no, no no, no, no, let's not do the 162 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: new thing with a young quarterback. Let's see if we 163 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: can get the old quarterback up and going and with 164 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: a six year contract DJ I think you can play 165 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: that game for like a year or two before you 166 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: have to flip it. Yeah, it's interesting. It's an interesting 167 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: dilemma there. Um we just how many times have we 168 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: seen it? New general manager, new head coach, new quarterback. 169 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: There you go. You gotta get it right though, I know, 170 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: but I mean, and we'll get into these college kids 171 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: in a minute. Four really really good quarterbacks that are 172 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: exciting man, exciting players, and I think it's gonna be fun. Well, 173 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: we'll shoot, we can just jump into it right now. Um, well, 174 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: we'll get to these championship games here in just a minute. 175 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: But I went back and gone through and and watched 176 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: more on Lawrence Fields and Wilson. I'm gonna do after 177 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: we finish up today on the pot, I've got to 178 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: go back and watch some more of Trey Lance. I'm 179 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: just refreshing myself on these guys, watching the late season 180 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: stuff for the guys that played this year, and then 181 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: go back and watch a little bit more on Trey Lance. 182 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: But you know, it's funny, I I, uh, have you 183 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 1: seen the movie Jumanji, like the new Jumanji's So they 184 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: have in their uh like the the little card that 185 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: this describes their avatar, right and it says these are 186 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: their strengths and then here's they're like kind of kryptonite. Right, 187 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: So none of these guys are perfect. There is no 188 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: such thing as a perfect player. You know, there's one 189 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: little thing you can nit pick them on. But I 190 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: think when you look at him on the whole um Man, 191 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: there's so much you can do with these guys. And 192 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: you look at Trevor Lawrence, you know everybody knows what 193 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: he can do. You know the negative on Trevor Lawrence, 194 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: I guess you say, you can be a little bit 195 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: long at times, um that offense, you can get a 196 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: little bit kind of screen happy, bubble screen happy, But 197 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: I can you can put that aside because of the throws, 198 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: the athleticism, the toughness, the intangibles. You hear all that 199 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: stuff off the charts. So then you know, I go 200 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: back and rewatch More, Zack Wilson and Buck. It's just 201 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: some guys are just effortless. I mean, I I have 202 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: the soundtrack of kind of like easy like Sunday morning. 203 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: Like when you're watching him, I feel like it's he 204 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: just got done having a little turkey on. He went 205 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: in the backyard, but instead of a nerve turbo like this, 206 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: he's actually making these throws with like a regular football. Um, 207 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 1: it's just so effortless and smooth. But when you think 208 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: about his issue, um, you talk about the fact is 209 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: I was told that he started the year at like 210 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: two oh five, two oh six. He ended up in 211 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: the middle of the year was up to two eleven. 212 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: But the hope there is he's going to carry, you know, 213 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: to fifteen. He's not gonna be a two pound guy 214 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: like he's So there's a little bit of the frame there. 215 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: And then you have the fact he's had he's already 216 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: had reconstructive shoulder surgery on his on his right shoulder. 217 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: Because I was went on a little bit over the 218 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: last couple of days to find out why the huge 219 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: jump right remember last year with Burrow, YEA, have those 220 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: conversations why the huge lead for Burrow from one year 221 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: to the next. And we talked about the new offense 222 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: and how it really featured his his ability to quickly 223 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: work through progressions, get more guys out in the route, 224 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: all that stuff. So I'm on a quest to find 225 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: out how Wilson made this meteorc rise. And a lot 226 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: of it that I got back was, look, he wasn't 227 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: he wasn't healthy. In twenty nineteen, he had reconstructive shoulder surgery. 228 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: So when you watch him in eighteen as a really 229 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: young kid, they're like all the guys who went through 230 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: there said, we identified him as like, this is a dude, 231 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: like this guy has big time tools. I think in 232 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: the bowl game that year and go back and look 233 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: it up, I think he was like eighteen for eighteen 234 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: like he was, you know, he was definitely on the rise. 235 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: So has a shoulder reconstruction. In twenty nineteen, he just 236 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: he could he didn't have all of his tools. You know, 237 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: it was kind of frustrating for him. The offense was 238 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: a little bit run heavy. So that's kind of the 239 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: reason why you get what you get now. He comes 240 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: back fully healthy this year, and I said, I actually 241 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: told one of the scouts and said, if he had 242 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: reconstructive shoulder surgery, maybe he's a RoboCop now, because just 243 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: like there's it's a serious arm talent. This dude has 244 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: whatever whoever that surgeon is tip of the cap. Uh, 245 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: nicely done. Um, But that's kind of the So that's 246 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: kind of the concern with him. It's just you know, durability. 247 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: Can he physically hold up at his size, but man, 248 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: he is talented, I mean crazy talented. And then you 249 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: go back and watch Justin Fields and Buck like, I'm 250 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna put together an exo from the Indiana game. Right, 251 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: So the Indiana game. I think he has three picks 252 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: in that game, and you can you can focus on 253 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: those three interceptions and you can say, okay, he's like 254 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: he doesn't read the safety, he's late, and then you 255 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: say it's a little bit of hero ball trying to 256 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: do too much, and you can try and tear him down, right, 257 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: But the old adage is tell me what he can do, 258 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: and don't tell me what he can't do. You can 259 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: I can pull out five throws or five plays in 260 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: that game. You jaw hit the floor, man, because you'll 261 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: be like, oh, man, like far hash throws. I posted 262 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: one of them, just big time, big time throws. One 263 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: he he gets pressure, shrugs off a sack just just 264 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: just pure strength, takes off and almost scores another one 265 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: he's got a clean run through. He just outruns the 266 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: guy to the corner and runs it in. So I 267 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: can see, I can see, you know, holding the ball, 268 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: taking too many sacks, forcing some throws, locking on like 269 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: I can do that, but when you see what this 270 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: guy can do, you can get fired up about all 271 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,599 Speaker 1: that stuff. Man, you know DJ, So it's interesting. So 272 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: let's just take these last two guys, because I think 273 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: we've talked about Trevor Lawrence a lot, and we'll go 274 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: back like later um down the line and have like 275 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: the full deep dive and Trevor Lawrence. I think the 276 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: conversation between Zach Wilson and Justin Fields is the most 277 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: fascinating conversation that you have to have in the draft. 278 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: And I don't know where I got this from, but 279 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: I heard someone talk about this and they said there's 280 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: a difference between talent and skills, and as an evaluator, 281 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: you have to be able to separate the talent from 282 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: the skills. And when I look at both of these 283 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: and so I think it's this, like talent is just 284 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: a natural raw ability, the raw combination of arm ability, athleticism, um, 285 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: movement skills, all of that other stuff. Skills are playing 286 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: the position, going through progressions, reads, seeing it, doing it, 287 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: playing the position like that is a developed thing. When 288 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: I look at Zack Wilson, I would say that Zack 289 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: Wilson is a combination of both, but I see him 290 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: as a more skilled player when I look at the two, 291 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: Like he plays Curry the way you're talking about. I 292 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: have a visual of Steph Curry in my mind. Yeah, 293 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: like he plays it. He plays the position the way 294 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: that you kind of want to teach you. But he 295 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: also has the extra stuff because I don't want to 296 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: make him out like, oh, this is just a system guy. 297 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: He's a mechanical guy. Is not a root. No, he's 298 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: not that, but he's very skilled. Like he plays it. 299 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: A one is taken, I'm going to two. Two is 300 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: not there? Wait, here's my checkdown. Justin Fields is a talent. 301 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: I believe he certainly had skills, but his talent is 302 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: what wows you. And so if we're thinking about separate 303 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: rating guys into categories, and I'm not saying that these 304 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: are the comparables, but when we watched Josh Allen, we 305 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: evaluated Josh Allen on his talent, not his skills. When 306 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: we evaluated Baker Mayfield, the impression was the skills more 307 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: so than the talent. And so I think with these guys, 308 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: is trying to figure out, like, well, what do I 309 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: want there? I want the skill player with the talent 310 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: or do I want to gamble on the talented player 311 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: who it may be taught right? Who knows what that 312 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: ceiling can be? I when people say, oh, well, you know, 313 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: like can you see mock drafts? And I'm not a 314 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: mock draft like fan, but like when you see guys 315 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: these quarterbacks that we mentioned, like, oh, they're gonna be 316 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: their fifteen, I will stand on the table right now 317 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: say there is no way that these four quarterbacks get 318 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: outside of the top ten minus a failed physical. No way, 319 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: because all these guys have talent. And we're talking about 320 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: trade lance next, but these guys are talented. And now 321 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: it's about getting in the room and tapping into your imagination, 322 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: your creativity, assessing what you have and Okay, if we 323 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: take this player, what do we have to do to 324 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: get all of that out of him? And how quickly 325 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: can we do this in a two or three year period? 326 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: You know, I think that's really what it comes down to. 327 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: So you know, when you go to to uh, you've 328 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: gone a Super Bowl, right buck, you've been you've played 329 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: in one, or you've been on a team that went 330 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: to one, for sure, But I mean just go on 331 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: as on this side of things, you know, how you 332 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: get the security is crazy if you haven't been, Yeah, 333 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: security is crazy. So you have like different layers, Like 334 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: you get into one security area, kind of past that test, 335 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: then you've got to get to the next one, and 336 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: then you get through and then finally get in the stadium. 337 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: I feel like with the quarterback evaluation process, if you're 338 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: picking in the top ten, the first thing is, okay, 339 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: is this a top ten talent? Is this a top 340 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: ten player? I think all four of these guys have 341 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: got past that rope. They have all moved into that phase. 342 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: So now it becomes okay, we know the physical tools 343 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: are there for these guys. Let's get to know them. 344 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: Let's get to know a personality. Let's go to go 345 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: you know, football intelligence. Let's let's put some tape on, 346 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: Let's get a fuel form, let's get the background stuff 347 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: like the playing, the stuff that we do on our 348 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: side of things, watching the video and seeing these guys 349 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: are all top ten picks based off the ability. Now 350 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: in terms of how they stack, it's gonna be I 351 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: think what happens from here going forward absolutely, and so 352 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: like here's the thing that we've also learned and I 353 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: would say that the learning lessons continue to come from us, 354 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: like going all the way back to the Pat Mahomes saying, 355 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: when we sat down and we brought Pat Mahomes in 356 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: our evaluation off the tape was one thing, but after 357 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: we met him, it was something else. And I am 358 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: really sticking to this when it comes to it, the 359 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: quarterback more so than any other position. The quarterback that 360 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: I take, he asked to absolutely love it, like this 361 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,959 Speaker 1: has to be the number one priority. Where if I 362 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: took this away from him, he wouldn't know how to 363 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: necessarily exist. Yeah, like and and literal not literal terms, 364 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: but we're talking. But like, if I took this away, 365 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: he's gonna do everything that he can to get back 366 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: on the field and play because his love of the 367 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: game is that much. I'm not going to have to 368 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: urge him and beg him, Hey, I need you in 369 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: the building by at least eight, at least eight o'clock. 370 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: It would be nice to have you here, like, but 371 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: eight o'clock is no. Like they're the first one in 372 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: when I pull up with the keys to open up 373 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: the door. They're in the parking lot waiting to get in, 374 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: you know, Like that's the kind of guy that that 375 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: I need to see. And then the work ethic in 376 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: terms of not with us, but even in the off season. Um, 377 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: I hate to continue to bring up Josh Allen, but 378 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: and talking with Jordan Palmer one having him come on 379 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: the show, but just the work that Josh Allen has 380 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: done in the off season to make himself a better 381 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: player to really pour in and invest in himself. Need 382 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: these guys to be able to do that. And then 383 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: the last thing is, you know, you talked about the 384 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: talent and the personality or whatever, Like I think the 385 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: i Q and the adaptability is really a big part 386 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: of it. Like the character is one thing, but how adaptable? 387 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: How much football have they been exposed to? How quickly 388 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: can they take different concepts and systems and understand it 389 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: and not only understand it, but then began to close 390 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: in on mastery of those things. So, hey, we put 391 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: you here, we bring you back here. The five things 392 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: that we want you to learn when you come in 393 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: for this visit. Okay, how well do you understand it? Okay? 394 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 1: So then you go apart. Let's go to your pro 395 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: day in three weeks. We can give you some more 396 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: at a couple more wrinkles. Do you now understand what 397 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: we previously gave you and the new stuff? Can we 398 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: begin to see you begin to put the building blocks 399 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: on an installation of an offense. That to me, I 400 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: think that's that's really really big because I kind of 401 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: want to know what the ceiling is when it comes 402 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: to your learning capacity. Yeah, and that leads us to 403 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: Trey Lance, and we visited with him, and like you 404 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: said with Pat Mahomes, With Pat Mahomes, the intelligence was 405 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: she jumped out to us, when you visit Trey Lance, 406 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: I got. I mean, they're different players, they're different styles 407 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: of players. But with Trey I definitely got that this 408 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: dude is football bright. I mean he is well, first 409 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: of all, he's just regular bright. He's a smart dude overall. 410 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 1: But when we start talking football, UM, for a guy 411 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: who's really young, does not have a lot of experience, UM, 412 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: he can explain everything that's going on in that offense, 413 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: which is a which is a pro style in terms 414 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,239 Speaker 1: of all that's put on the quarterback there at North 415 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: Dakota State. Um, again, I know that the knock is 416 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: going to be the limited amount of snaps and the 417 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: lower level of competition, but all the skills to get 418 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: you past that first rope done, check that box. And 419 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: then from just our visit with him, you know, it's 420 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: one visit. I thought this guy was authentic. I thought 421 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: he was highly intelligent, and I thought football wise, he's 422 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: gonna win. He's gonna want a lot of people over 423 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: from this point to the end of the process. And 424 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: so here's what we always have to remind people of 425 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: um when we do this right, because it's easy to 426 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: kind of fall in love with the things that we 427 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: just saw. Last we saw justin Fields play, last we 428 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: saw Lawrence, and we've seen Zach Wilson played this year. 429 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: We didn't get a really chance to see Trey Lance. 430 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: But if we go back and we remember what it 431 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: looked like prior to the college season kind of being 432 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: postponed to cancel, Trey Lance was a guy that we 433 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: were talking about, like, hey, be careful handing all the 434 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: roses to these other guys like Trey Lands from North 435 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: Dakota State. He is going to be in that conversation. 436 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: He didn't get a chance to play his way in. 437 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: So what I would challenge anybody, particularly those who listen 438 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: to us, go back and look at last year, go 439 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: back and look at twenty nineteen, go back and look 440 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: at those games or whatever. And then when you begin 441 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: to question, oh, I don't know his level of competition 442 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: or whatever, let's just look at some of the quarterbacks 443 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: that are starters in this league. All of these guys 444 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: didn't play a big schools. Jimmy Garoppolo played at Eastern Illinois. 445 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: Like there, Josh Allen played it well on me. So 446 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: let's just be mindful of when we're grading the tape. 447 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: Take some of the of the guys off the field. 448 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: Let's assess the talent first, skill. Second. Then we can 449 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: look at the competition and wonder if we flop Trade 450 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: Lance into Ohio State, what would that look like? If 451 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: we dropped him at b y U or Clempson, what 452 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: would that look like? But remember, look at the talent, 453 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: look at the skills, then worry about the competition. Don't 454 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: give the competition too much weight because I think we 455 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: can make mistakes when we do that. Yeah, and and 456 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: for those wonder what Trey Lance has been up to. 457 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: He only played one game this year. He's been he's 458 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 1: been working with Quincy Avery. Guy. We we both know, well, 459 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: who's been h Deshaun Watson has taking him, taking care 460 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: of him and really developed him. Um, he's also been, 461 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: you know, just doing different meetings. I was told they had, 462 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: like I don't know if it was Paul Alexander's an 463 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: offensive line coach to come in and and go over protections. 464 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's been taking a master class kind 465 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: of getting a graduate degree. I guess you could say 466 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: in football that's always been doing from from uh, from 467 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: the time he had his one game season two now 468 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 1: he's been working physically and then uh and then stay 469 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: mentally ready and learning as he goes. So, um, he's 470 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun man. Like it again, We'll have 471 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: plenty of time, um, going towards the draft to talk 472 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: about these four guys, and then after that. I mean 473 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: I just watched Mac Jones the other day, Who's an 474 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: interesting one. Um. You know the challenge with him is 475 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: again you've you've got all this support staff, You've got 476 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: all this stuff around him. And so I had somebody 477 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: asked me the other day, well, what's the difference between 478 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: him and Joe Burrow? Like Joe Burrow had all that 479 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: talent around him. He went off to I had all 480 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: that talent around him, he went off. So why isn't 481 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: Mac Jones being talked about like that? When you look 482 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: at the numbers, he stacks up with those guys with 483 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: with what he accomplished. And I would say, after studying it, 484 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: While I think Mac Jones excellent decision maker, I think 485 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: he's got outstanding touch, like he's a thirty five to 486 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: forty yard touch guy, like he makes those throws there, 487 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 1: outstanding arm strength is is uh good not great? I 488 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: think it's the fair discussion there with him and Joe Burrow, 489 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: I would say arm strength wise probably similar Joe Burrow there, 490 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: I don't think there's much difference. Um. The difference is 491 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: there's just so much more twitch with those other two 492 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: guys in their lower half to be able to escape, 493 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: to be able to create, especially with Joe Burrow. Like 494 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, he can extend plays, He's got some creativity 495 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: to him. He's just got more fast twitch fibers in 496 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: his body than Mac Jones does. Max more of kind 497 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: of a monotone guy. Um, but in the right system. 498 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: I mean you think about what Jared Goff, you know, 499 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: for whatever his warts are, what he's been able to 500 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: be I think Mac Jones could you know, could be 501 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: the same type of a guy. And it's crazy because 502 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: I'm not know he's the number one overall pick I don't. 503 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: I think in in hindsight, as we look back at that, 504 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: we would say Jered Goff wasn't a number one overall talent, 505 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, to go back what we were saying earlier. 506 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: But I the way the game is going back away 507 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: from that type of a player. It's just it would 508 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: be hard for me if I was going to take 509 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: a quarterback and reset my clock and I'm gonna hitch 510 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: my wagon to somebody. Man, I think I'd wanted more 511 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: of a new school, more athletic dude. I just that's me, Okay, 512 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: just you. I mean, just using that as a as 513 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: a as a reference, a starting point. Jerry Goff, Um, 514 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: we're saying, and I'm writing about this thing now, like 515 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh kind of silently blaming Jerry Golf for the 516 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: offensive Wolves of the Rams, and I'm looking at Jared 517 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: Goff and I would say, I feel like Jerry Goff 518 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: has a little more talent than Mac Jones. But in 519 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: the order that we talked about talent, skills and other stuff. 520 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: Mac Jones isn't the top ten talent, but he doesn't 521 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: have he doesn't have the stuff where if we were 522 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: just playing horse, he can't compete with Zach Wilson and 523 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: justin fields and trading top ten out of it. I mean, 524 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: I just couldn't get to like you know, I know, 525 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: like like DJ SO. So like the talent part of 526 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: it matters because we're in the talent evalu waiting business. 527 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: So the first thing is the talent, so we say, okay, 528 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: let's say he's a B level talent. Then it's the 529 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: skills and we can talk about decision making and processing. 530 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: But because he doesn't have the athleticism and now puts 531 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: an even greater pressure on the team builder to make 532 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: sure that everything is perfect. You gotta have the offensive line, 533 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: you gotta have all the weapons on the outside, gotta 534 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: have the running back. At some point, man that it's 535 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: hard to ensure that everything is going to be right. 536 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: And some of the stuff that we're seeing, the frustration 537 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: that Sean McVeigh has in Jerry Goff is do to 538 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: these things that we're talking about. So when you sign 539 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: on to it, you also are signing onto I don't 540 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: have a quarterback who can make me right if I'm 541 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: wrong as a play caller. So if I had my druthers, 542 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: I would rather have someone that can erase some of 543 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: my mistakes as a play caller play designer than someone 544 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: who everything has to be read off the teleprompter. Hard. 545 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: It's hard. It's hard to do your dependent your hunter 546 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: percent dependent on everything from the call to the to 547 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: the people around you. Um, you know, Look, he's the 548 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: one thing I would say about him and doing some 549 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: some calls and some homework on him, like the the reparation, 550 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: the eat, drink and sleep it off the charts like 551 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: he's he checks all that stuff. So he's gonna be 552 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: impressive when he gets in the room, and he's gonna 553 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: be impressive in terms of Um, this guy is gonna 554 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: be prepared, um, no doubt. And you can look at 555 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: some of those teams that are quarterback needy, teams with 556 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: with veteran guys picking in the later portion of the 557 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: first round, who have good teams. I just I couldn't 558 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: do it, man, I don't. I don't think I could 559 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: pull the trigger right there. I got a team for him. 560 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: I got a team for him. Go ahead and sign 561 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,479 Speaker 1: up and say that this is where he could end 562 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: up uh the Washington football team. I believe he is 563 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: probably like someone that will draw serious interest from them 564 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. One they have an an affinity 565 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 1: and a fascination with Alabama players. Look at the number 566 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: of Alabama players to Dave drafted. When you think about 567 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: this offense and the preparing nature of it, I think 568 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: um teller Honkey says a lot in terms of what 569 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: he was able to do for them. He's more athletic 570 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: obviously to mac Jones, but this is a real part 571 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: like listening to run River talk, knowing how Scott Turner 572 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: thinks about the position. Mac jones ability to be able 573 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,719 Speaker 1: to spit all the stuff off the black board and 574 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: understand all of the information is certainly going to help him. 575 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: I think because the watching football team in MoMA, I 576 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: don't think they can get up to get one of 577 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: the what I would call the crown jewels of the class. 578 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: I think he could be sitting there and I think 579 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: it could be the conversation that they have we need 580 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: a quarterback. Is this the guy that we can take? 581 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: Because as you talk about loving it, he lives it. 582 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: He loves it. That might be enough to be kind 583 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 1: of maybe the deciding factor in it. Yeah, I mean, 584 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,719 Speaker 1: they do have all those guys from Bama, but with 585 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: Marty coming in there, and you've got Marty and Rivera, 586 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: so I mean it's kind of you know, you know 587 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: those guys better anybody. So, I mean, I don't think. 588 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: I don't think beholding all the Alabama thing with these 589 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: I don't think be on to the thing. But I 590 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: think maybe the middle makeup the work ethic the other stuff. 591 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: I think that Matt may have some sway unless we 592 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: can find another athlete that has a comparable grade at 593 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: the quarterback puisition. Man, I don't know. I think I 594 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: think Mac Jones is going to have an opportunity somewhere 595 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: in the bottom of the first round to convince people 596 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: that he's a guy. I'm not saying that he's the 597 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: first round talent, but we would say that most drafts 598 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: only have twenty twenty two guys that are universally celebrated 599 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: as first factor. And um, it's fun, man, I love 600 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: talking about these these draft guys. There's so many other 601 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: storylines I'm looking forward to hitting with you. We're gonna 602 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: have a lot of Davante Smith, Jamaar Chase uh And 603 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: and Jalen Waddle conversations. I think as we go through 604 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: this process, it's gonna be fun. Man. Oh, I think 605 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun because I think it's fun. And 606 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: now when especially when you it's funny like going back 607 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: and looking at the comments and seeing Sarkisian's comments about 608 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: both of those guys and how originally during this season 609 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: there was one A and one B and whatever order, 610 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: and it sounded like Watter was one A and then 611 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: Watter goes and had better numbers than him when they 612 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: were both healthy this year, and then Waddle disappears, and 613 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: then DeVante Smith comes in or whatever. And I think 614 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: the thing that would be interesting to evaluate when we 615 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: talk about those guys, how much credit do we also 616 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: give the guy with the joystick Because Steve Sarkisian was 617 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: in his bag creating opportunities with it was great. Smith 618 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: is great. I don't want that to come off as oh, 619 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: he's just a guy, but Sarkeesian was in his bag. 620 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: Now he gets some nice stuff to really create some opportunities. Yeah, 621 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: that's gonna be fun one to go through those guys. Well, 622 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: we'll get a chance to visit on on those guys 623 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: as we go forward. Um, we don't even spend a 624 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: ton of time on this, buck, But when you look 625 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: at these championship games, Bucks, Packers, Bills Chiefs, I feel 626 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: like we've talked about it a little bit already earlier 627 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: in the week. But Uh, to me, Bucks Packers, I 628 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: think it's a line of scrimmage game. Man. I think 629 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: whoever wins the line of scrimmage and that one is 630 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: gonna win the football game. Yeah, I think. And I 631 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: think this is the chance where the David Bafieri loss, yeah, 632 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: could be a factor. Jason Pierre, Paul, Shaquille Barrett, those 633 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: guys on the edges um and Dominican suit on the inside. 634 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: It's a different challenge for the Green Bay Packers. Um. 635 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: I would also say this is where I'm writing about this, 636 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: where the Packers the trust, the process philosophy that they've 637 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: taken with their perimeter players. We will see if it 638 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: works out now, because these are the games where you 639 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: need your stars to play like stars, and you need 640 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: one or two guys to kind of step their game up. 641 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: We saw a last game Ellen Lazart stepped his game 642 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: up and made some place. Who is going to be 643 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: the other guy, Not Aaron Jones, not Davante Adams. Who's 644 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: going to be the other guy that makes a handful 645 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: of plays to be able to do it is Marcus Business, Scantling, 646 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: is Robert Tounyan laz Art. Somebody else has to make 647 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: it play because we've seen in these games. If we 648 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: can eliminate number one, who's number two and number three 649 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: that's gonna step up and make those plays. One thing 650 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: that I think you can eliminate. I know, Look, Lambo 651 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: is gonna be cold, and the Packers at home are 652 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: They're a nightmare to trying to feed there. If you're 653 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: gonna tell me one team that would give two craps 654 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: about playing a Lambeau fielding playing in cold, wou'd probably 655 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: be this team, because really, Tom Brady is gonna be 656 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: intimidated going into environment that ain't happening, and it's uh, 657 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: it's a team you beat the breaks off of earlier 658 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: this year. So like the mystique, I think that that 659 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: advantage that green Bay is always I don't think they 660 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: have that advantage in this game. Not you don't, and 661 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: I always say there have been played in Green Bay 662 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: or whatever. There is a mystique that is tied to it, 663 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: and especially when the team has been good, there is 664 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: that because everyone has heard the stories about the Lombardi 665 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: Packers and when you pull up to Lambeau, when you 666 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: walk into that stadium, like it's very much like it 667 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,959 Speaker 1: was back in the sixties, and there is something to it. 668 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: The one thing that the Packers don't have for them. 669 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: If this was a full home crowd, that stadium is loud. 670 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: It is a loud stadium. Is it's very advantageous to 671 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: the Packers. Um, I will dismiss what happened the first 672 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: game because like that doesn't really play into it. I 673 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: think the key to this game will be Obviously it's 674 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: always the turnovers, right, Turnovers always play a big part 675 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: of But huh, if the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are able 676 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: to play what I call keep away ball, which Tom 677 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: Brady is willing to do. He's willing the handleball off 678 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: to Ronald Jones and Leonard for Nett. If they can 679 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: run the football the way that they run the football 680 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: the last two games, that is when this game becomes 681 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: problematic for the Packers. And in reverse, I would say 682 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: if the Packers are able to run the ball like 683 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: they have been able to run it in recent weeks, 684 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: then it also becomes a game as much easier for 685 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers to be able to win. Yeah, line of 686 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: scrimmage game. As we look over to Bills and Chiefs, 687 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: you give the you give the Bills a shot in 688 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: this one buck? What do you think? Yeah, I give 689 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: I give them a shot because they're tough. I give 690 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: them a shot because they have I would say, like 691 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: tasted the Chief's power and they've used a counter tact 692 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: against him unsuccessfully. But DJ, we we call that game 693 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: on Amazon. They were in it and they were going 694 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: up and down the field. But then we looked up. 695 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: You're like, you know, it's crazy. It feels like the 696 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: Chiefs have dominated this game. But it's the seventh score. 697 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: It's a seven point game. It is a one score game. 698 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: I think they will maybe take a similar tactic, maybe 699 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: switch it up a little bit, maybe pressure a little more, 700 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: but I think it's still the same. I think the 701 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs are like the Golden State Warriors, and 702 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: when the go To State Warriors were in their prime, 703 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: the thing was run Steph Curry and Clay Thompson off 704 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: to three point line, because if they hit threes, it's 705 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: like Oxygen and the Kansas City Chiefs. They're explosive plays, 706 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: they're big plays that fuels this offense. I am taking 707 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: that away. And if I have to leave live with 708 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: them going up and down the field in between the 709 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: twinnies and hopefully we can get a stop or two 710 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 1: in the red zone. I think that's the way that 711 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: you have to defend them. I don't think you can 712 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 1: be crazy aggressive because Pat Mahomes will hurt you. And 713 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: there were changes if Chad he needs the quarterback. But 714 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: still I think you have to keep the ball in front, 715 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: make them earn the way down to field. Yeah, I 716 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: agree with that. I think a lot of people have said, oh, 717 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: they're gonna play them differently this time. Last time didn't work. 718 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, actually, last time did work. They needed 719 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: to score more points. The defense did their job. Man 720 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: being able to hold those threes that was big. Yeah, 721 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: And I think that's the problem with the Bills. The 722 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: thing is, I'm not necessarily worried about their defense playing right. 723 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 1: What is going to be the way that they play 724 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: because it can't just be the Josh Allen show like 725 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: it can't be Josh Allen run it, Josh Allen throw it. 726 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: I think it's a recipe for disaster. They have to 727 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: find a way to balance it out where they have 728 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: to get something in the running game besides Josh Allen 729 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: scrambles and design quarterback runs. Whoever that is, Uh Singletary 730 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: has somebody has to give them something on the ground game. 731 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: I think this is I think to me, if if 732 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: Buffalo wins this game, it is a Josh Allen superhero game. 733 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: And that's not just him throwing it. That's Josh Allen 734 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: having seventy yards rushing, you know, that's Josh Allen getting 735 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: some third and threes with his legs. Like it's it's 736 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: a lot on him in this game. He's gonna have 737 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: to be what he's been a lot this year, which 738 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: is kind of their their offense. Yeah, he's gonna have 739 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: to be a woman show and it is challenging to 740 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: do that. Inexperienced player, and I will say this, don't 741 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,240 Speaker 1: underestimate the championship game experience that the Kansas City Chiefs 742 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 1: have had three straight years where they've been in this 743 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: game one and done from the Super Bowl. Um you 744 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: have to learn how to play in those games because 745 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: the pressure is different. The ebbs and flows of championship 746 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: games are significant, Like it's really an emotional roller coaster 747 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: because they've kind of been there and done that and 748 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: have kind of gotten some of the callous is I 749 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: think that could be an advantage in this game. Yeah, 750 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: no doubt. Um yeah, I like I like the Chiefs. 751 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: I picked the Bucks. I don't feel great about it, 752 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 1: but I did pick the Bucks to win by three, 753 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 1: and that might just be because I want to see 754 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: them to be all squirm a little bit. I could. 755 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna go, and I'm gonna say 756 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: the Packers because there's no way the Packers can lose, right, 757 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: didn't thee want to see they get everything? They're playing 758 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: at home. There's no way that the Packers can lose. 759 00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: Like it's a guarantee that the Packers are written into 760 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: the bow because it's the Packers. Aaron Rodgers is the 761 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 1: m v P all this other stuff. So let's let's 762 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: pencil the Packers in and then I think we get 763 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: a rematch of what is it, Super Bowl one? SUPERO 764 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: two Kansas City Green Bay because I think Kansas City 765 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: gets into the tournament. I think they get into the 766 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 1: phone round. Yeah, but it's gonna be fun to watch. 767 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: Um again reminded of as Marks just brought up in 768 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: the Beale's confidence when Wisconsin was playing Ohio State. Wisconsin 769 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: is winning this game. Yep, Well no did not happen. 770 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: Although I feel, I'll tell you this, I feel a 771 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: heck of a lot better about Green Bay's chances than 772 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: I did about Wisconsin's chances against Ohio State in that 773 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 1: Big Ten championship game. So there's that. Um. All right, 774 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us. This is a fun 775 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: one today. Anything else you wanna add before we get 776 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: out of here? Back? No, that's it man. It's been 777 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: a great, great episode. I'm looking forward to this weekend. 778 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,879 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be all sin. Thank you guys 779 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: for hanging with us. We'll catch you next time. Right 780 00:37:48,560 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: here on Move the sticks presented by castro Ledge Not 781 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: you ha got go to att