1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio, 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming up on 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: this Tuesday edition, we have got all sorts of news 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: and notes around the NFL, including all the ramifications from 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: the Big Time Trade, Jalen Ramsey, Minka Fitzpatrick, John Newsmith, 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: everybody moving, what does it mean for the Dolphins, and 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: more importantly, what does it mean for the Steelers moving forward, 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: especially if they're not able to retain TJ. Watt. We 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: will discuss Rodney Harrison is officially a Hall of Famer, 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: but when will he get into the Pro Football Hall 11 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: of Fame. We'll get into that conversation as well too. 12 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: Plus we're going to have a discussion about mentoring in 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: the AFC when it comes to one odd unique quarterback room. 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: We've got one last ride when it comes to the 15 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: NFL offseason for players in the league. And we've got 16 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: another edition of In case you missed it, and we 17 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: got Lee's leftovers as well too. It's all yours next year. 18 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: Two Pros and a Cup of Joe on a Tuesday, 19 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. 20 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: Let's give this. 21 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: You're listening Fox Sports Radio. 22 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: Binkink b. 23 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: Come on on the Black and Drag Baby, it is 24 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio, 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. You can find 26 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: us on this Tuesday morning on hundreds of affiliates all 27 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: across the country. You can listen to us as always 28 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app no matter where you are. We 29 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: appreciate you making us a part of it as we 30 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: take you all the way up until nine am Eastern time, 31 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: six o'clock Pacific, And now we get to find out 32 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: how the rest of the big birthday bash went for 33 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: the one and only Leaverrington. 34 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 4: I'm tired, That's all I love to tell you. But 35 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 4: I'm here here. Let's do it. Yeah, let's give the 36 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 4: people a show. Yeah, we'll do the best we can. 37 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, we will definitely try, because thankfully the NFL decided, 38 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: you know what, We're gonna throw you guys a bone. 39 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: I am We're gonna go ahead. We're still waiting to 40 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: find out exactly what the full details are on Malik 41 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: Beasley and whether or not he's just a degenerate, flunky 42 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: gambler who pissed away his entire career because he's betting 43 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: props on his own point totals, or rebounds or assists. 44 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: But nonetheless, the NFL decided to step up and say, 45 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: you know what, here we go. Here's a little something 46 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: for you, and that little something is a big one. 47 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: We've got a trade. The Dolphins traded cornerback Jalen Ramsey 48 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: tight end John new Smith to the Pittsburgh Steelers for 49 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 1: safety Minka Fitzpatrick and a pick swap. Yeah, I got 50 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: news for you. The Dolphins this year ain't gonna sound 51 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: nothing like that. No, they will not. There would be 52 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: no no Dolphins sounds this year. The answer would would 53 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: insult Peta. But I look at this and I go. 54 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: We've heard speculation about whether or not the Steeler or 55 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: the Dolphins were going to trade Jalen Ramsey. That's been 56 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: rumored about. It's been whispered about. There's been discussions about it. 57 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: You know, Chris Greer their GM talked about it. It 58 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: clearly had run its course there for whatever reason, and 59 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: so now he ends up in Pittsburgh. There is some 60 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: speculation that he might even switch to safety. And I 61 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: don't know about you, but if you add that along 62 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: with John new Smith, who's coming off the best season 63 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: of his career and for some reason they couldn't get 64 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: a restructuring done on his deal. All of a sudden, 65 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: the Steelers add a couple of new pieces, and the 66 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: feeling on Mika Fitzpatrick was he was starting to slip 67 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: a little bit in his play. So if you can 68 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: add Jalen Ramsey and John new Smith to this offseason 69 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: and what the Steelers have already done, I love this 70 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: for Pittsburgh. I think it's a great move. 71 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:28,679 Speaker 4: So you feel as though it's justifiable to just throw 72 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 4: it out there that Menca Fitzpatrick's play has been slipping. 73 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: There's been some speculation about that speculation. 74 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, man if if almost getting 75 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 4: one hundred tackles and in the season as a safety 76 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 4: in the Pittsburgh Steelers defense is slipping when I mean 77 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 4: in twenty one he had one hundred and twenty twenty one, 78 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 4: he had one hundred and twenty four combined tackles and 79 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 4: his stats, so statistically speaking, it was his best his 80 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 4: best season, but it's not far off. It's not far 81 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 4: off from what his stats were this past year. And 82 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 4: and listen, if we're talking, first of all, it's not 83 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 4: apples to apples in terms of a comparison, because you're 84 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 4: talking about a corner and you're talking about a safety. Now, 85 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 4: if you think that and I heard you mentioned Jayalen 86 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 4: Ramsey may move the safety and that has happened. We've 87 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 4: seen We've seen Cornell Lake moved to safety. We've seen 88 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 4: Rob Woodson moved to safety. We Charles Woodson moved to safety. 89 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 4: Like we've seen some really really fine football players go 90 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 4: from playing corner to moving to safety. Is Jayalen Ramsey, 91 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 4: is he in a space in time for him we're 92 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 4: moving making a move to safety? Is at that time? 93 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 4: First of all, meaning has he has his ability to 94 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 4: cover as a corner maybe gotten to the point of 95 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 4: where he should think about being a safety and covering 96 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 4: more space and not having to cover corner or excuse me, 97 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 4: receivers man the man Now now his responsibilities and his 98 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 4: duties would be more specified to covering tight ends like 99 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 4: bigger guys, you know, not so much the smaller guys, 100 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 4: but play over top defense. But he's also someone that 101 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 4: you would need in the run. And that's that's why 102 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 4: the amount of tackles is so important in terms of 103 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 4: what they bring to the table. Now, I mean his 104 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 4: stats are are somewhat comparable in terms of tackles sixty tackles, 105 00:06:54,160 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 4: twenty one assists, one one sack, two interceptions. Listen, that's 106 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 4: not a bad bad year statistically for a corner either 107 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 4: depending on how often he's playing and depending on how 108 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 4: many times they throw the ball his way. Two interceptions 109 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 4: is not something that you would say is a is 110 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 4: a great year by any stretch of the imagination. So, 111 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 4: but that's right around what he's pretty much averaged his 112 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 4: entire career. Like, I think the most he's he's had 113 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 4: is four in a year for interceptions. So I would 114 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 4: be interested to see what his past breakups are, his 115 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 4: past defenses are. I'm not I'm not going to say 116 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 4: it's a horrible move or it's a bad move by 117 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 4: either team. I don't did. I do not think that 118 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 4: Minka Fitzpatrick is slipping. I don't. I think he's still 119 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 4: a fine football player and has some some fine football 120 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 4: left in him. And and so I think that's a 121 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 4: positive addition for for Miami, especially because I mean, this 122 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 4: is a team that has a lot of talent, and 123 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 4: you lose a Jalen Ramsey, you were going to lose him. 124 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 4: It sounds like anyway. So to lose Jalen Ramsey, but 125 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 4: to be able to replace it with a Minka Fitzpatrick 126 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 4: that I think that that's a win for Miami. Now 127 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 4: you have a young player and Joey Porter junior that 128 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 4: plays cornerback in and he has continued to improve and 129 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 4: improve and improve. If you're playing Jalen Ramsey as another corner, 130 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 4: then I'm interested to see how much he has left 131 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 4: because that can make their defensive secondary pretty formidable. If 132 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 4: he still has something left in the tank. I don't know. 133 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 4: That's a big question mark. If he can play, make 134 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 4: the switch and be a good safety, I don't. There's 135 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 4: no comp on knowing if he can be a good safety. 136 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 4: But the look of it and even getting the tight end, 137 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 4: the looks of it, it did not hurt the Steelers. 138 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 4: I don't believe it. I could be wrong. 139 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,599 Speaker 1: I think it helped them. 140 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 4: I could be wrong. I don't know yet if it 141 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 4: helped them. I know that gives them depth at the 142 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 4: tight ends position. But what will Jalen Ramsey be as 143 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 4: a Pittsburgh Steeler. I'm not I'm not sure. I'm not sure. 144 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 4: So while I'll say I don't believe they hurt themselves. 145 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 4: I don't know if they helped themselves, but again, I 146 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 4: think it raises it continues to raise the stakes for 147 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 4: decisions that they've made. Getting rid of a beloved player, 148 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 4: a leader, a playmaker for their team and bringing in 149 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 4: a guy that could potentially be a lightning rod in 150 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 4: terms of how he handles things. It's a it's a 151 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 4: wait and see situation. 152 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: I would say, I look at it and I go, 153 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: they got rid of Mika Fitzpatrick and they added Jalen 154 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: Ramsey and John new Smith to me in just a 155 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: two for one. From that standpoint, I like the move 156 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: for Pittsburgh, and I also would trust that they would 157 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: figure out a way to make sure they're getting the 158 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: most out of Jalen Ramsey whatever, you know, whatever that 159 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: version of him looks like this at this point in 160 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: his career, whether he's playing cornerback, whether he's transitions to safety, whatever. 161 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: And then with John hu Smith, you know you're you're 162 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: getting him back. With Arthur Smith, you know there's there's 163 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: that relationship that's there and those guys that go back 164 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: to Tennessee days together. I look at this and I go, 165 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 1: if you're Pittsburgh. If you're a Steelers fan and you've 166 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: been wondering whether or not they would get aggressive in 167 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: any of these off seasons, over the past number of years, 168 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: they've gotten aggressive. They've made a ton of moves, which 169 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: tells me everybody there is starting to feel the heat 170 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: because you don't normally see Pittsburgh go out and spend 171 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: big money and go after a guy like DK metc 172 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: came Metcalf, They added Darius Slay, they add John Newsmith, 173 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: they add Jalen Ramsey, They go out, they get Rogers. 174 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 1: This is a completely different looking Steelers. It's a completely 175 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: different approach to the Steelers, and one that Jalen Ramsey 176 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: himself yesterday on social media out He sent out a 177 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: little something via his social media account talking about his 178 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: excitement when it comes to the well, we'll get that 179 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: at some point later on. We'll effort that at some 180 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: point here. But nonetheless, Jalen Ramsey was excited about being 181 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: a Pittsburgh Steeler, so much so that he took to 182 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: social media. 183 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 5: In Pittsburgh, toughness isn't a trait, it's a tradition and 184 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 5: this city has always had a thing for defense with 185 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 5: an edge now there's a new name stepping into the black, 186 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 5: and dais shutdown corner, relentless competitor, a walking chip on 187 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 5: his shoulder with four wheels and no brakes. He talks loud, 188 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 5: he hits hard. He didn't come to change what Pittsburgh 189 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 5: stands for. He came to show he belongs on steels, 190 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 5: sharpened steel, and the Steelers just about sharper. 191 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: Did you think about that? Far? What do you think 192 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: about that? 193 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 4: I mean, that was nice, sounded. 194 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: Good representing you're Steelers. You're not more excited about this? 195 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: Come on, var Steelers are back. 196 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 4: I'm skeptical, man, I'm just skeptical. That's all skeptical about 197 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 4: the looks of it. Minka had four past defenses, while 198 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 4: I believe Jayleen Ramsey had seven. No, no, not seven 199 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 4: past defenses. He had eleven. So I mean, it's not bad. 200 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 4: It's not bad. It's not bad. I mean it's it 201 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 4: could turn out to be a really good pick. I mean, 202 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 4: it's still a name that says elite corner. But it 203 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 4: doesn't come without wondering is he still an elite corner? 204 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 4: Does that make sense? He's still it's a name that 205 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 4: says elite corner, but does he still have elite cornerback 206 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 4: game left in him? That's I mean, that's the first 207 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 4: question that comes to mind for me. But again, the 208 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 4: Pittsburgh's defense, the Steeler defense they could have used, They 209 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 4: could have been a little better. They could have been 210 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 4: a little better last year. Uh And and just knowing 211 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 4: that it's coverage. It's all about coverage. It's all about 212 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 4: the way you're able to defend against the past these days. 213 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 4: Are you able to get to the quarterback or are 214 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 4: you able to cover the quarterback? And the Pittsburgh Steelers 215 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 4: strong unit, you know, they they I mean they were high. 216 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 4: They were they were ranked high in some pretty pretty good, 217 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 4: you know categories. They were good against the past with 218 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 4: in terms of past rush with TJ. Watt, they're pre 219 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 4: decent against the run. But they could have been better. 220 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 4: I mean they they definitely could have been better, and 221 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 4: this team overall could have been better. I just I 222 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 4: think there's a lot of pressure. I think there's a 223 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 4: lot of pressure on Pittsburgh Steelers to be able to 224 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 4: create a better, a better scenario, better outcomes for their 225 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 4: team this year. And we'll see. I mean, they're certainly 226 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 4: not going to get criticized for not making an assertive 227 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 4: effort during this offseason to to be a better team. 228 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 4: I mean, they certainly won't get the blame on that. 229 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: Well, and I think that's to me, that's what stands 230 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: out the most about this move with the other moves 231 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: they've made in the off season, Clearly they looked around 232 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: and realize, we got work to do, because if not 233 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: for the Cleveland Browns, that team's the worst team in 234 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: that division. And Cincinnati feels like, you know, I know, 235 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: they've got to get the Trey Hendrickson stuff figured out, 236 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: but Cincinnati feels like they they're ascending. That's a dangerous team. 237 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's been kind of caught in the middle a little bit. 238 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: And I do think that at least, at the very least, 239 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna walk away from this year going hey, at 240 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: least we may we gave it a run. We didn't 241 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: just accept the same old, same old every single offseason. 242 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: At least we made some moves. At least we got aggressive. 243 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: Roll the dice, see if Jalen Ramsey has a little 244 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: something left, See if Rogers has a little something that left. 245 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: Reunite John Newsmith, bringing dk Metcalf all of a sudden, 246 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: it's a new look, and for me, it makes this 247 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: team that much more intriguing going into the season and 248 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: going into the training camp. 249 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 4: I definitely intriguing. And it'll be definitely interesting to see 250 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 4: if this because the biggest question still remains, did these 251 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 4: moves make you competitive against Baltimore and Cincinnati? That's that's 252 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 4: going to be the biggest question. And listen, Cincinnati has 253 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 4: been known to play down or play like Cincinnati Bengals, 254 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 4: you know, and they've they've been good. They've they've they've 255 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 4: got a lot of talent, and they got probably I mean, 256 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 4: you could debate if he's the best quarterback in in 257 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 4: the AFC, nor if you could debate if he's a 258 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 4: top top you know, three, top five quarterback in in 259 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 4: the league. So in Joe Burrow. But they have not 260 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 4: always played up to their potential, and so that'll be 261 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 4: interesting to see. How will Cincinnati play. They still have 262 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 4: some some outstanding issues they need to tie up and 263 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 4: take care of. Baltimore has seemingly become kind of it's 264 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 4: their division, So how are they going to look this year? 265 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 4: Are they going to be that? I think we look 266 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 4: at Baltimore and say how much better are they going 267 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 4: to be than what they were the year before because 268 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 4: they continue to improve. And so to me, it's like 269 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 4: you could do a great job on your off season, 270 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 4: but how much better have you made your team good 271 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 4: enough to be able to compete against Baltimore and Cincinnati. 272 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: I mean that's some would say yes, yeah, some would 273 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: say yes, that's the uh. And look, it's not like 274 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: we haven't seen teams go out and make a bunch 275 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: of moves. The Eagles back in twenty eleven that went 276 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: out and signed nomdi asom Wan all those guys, and 277 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: then it turned out they were a five hundred team 278 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: of the regular season. So it could end up being 279 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: like that. But I just it would give me if 280 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: I were a Steelers fan, it would give me a 281 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: little bit more hope going into next year knowing, well, 282 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: at least we got aggressive and if it all fails miserably, 283 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: then heads are probably gonna roll after the year and 284 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: then and then you just pick up the pieces moving forward. 285 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: So but that is the up to That is the 286 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: big trade in the NFL yesterday Dolphins Steelers Mika Fitzpatrick 287 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: and a pick swap heading to the to the Miami 288 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: Dolphins in exchange for Jalen Ramsey and John new Smith, 289 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: and we are often running here on this Tuesday morning, 290 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: it is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here 291 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas knocks with you 292 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: another edition of Black and Drack, with another edition of 293 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: Incase She Mystic coming up later on this hour. 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According to Mary Kaycabot of Cleveland dot Com, 345 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson was involved inside the quarterback room this offseason 346 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: for the Browns and he has served as a little 347 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: bit of a mentor slash sounding board for the other quarterbacks. 348 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: Now does that make you feel less confident about the 349 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: quarterback play in Cleveland this year? Upon finding out that information. 350 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 4: That Deshaun Watson has taken your door under his wing, 351 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 4: I mean we make a lot of jokes about Deshaun Watson. 352 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 4: But if we were actually able to really focus in 353 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 4: on just football, if we were able to just focus 354 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 4: in on what Deshaun Watson has accomplished and the things 355 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 4: he has done, which I'm sure some people are able 356 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 4: to do so, then it's not It doesn't sound horrible. 357 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 4: I just think that what he has gone through and 358 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 4: what he has been accused of and what has really 359 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 4: really in a lot of ways I guess altered his 360 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 4: his career ultimately continues to be the focal point of 361 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 4: when you hear Deshaun Watson's name. I would be curious 362 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 4: as to what Dion Code, his dad, what he thinks 363 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 4: about it. I mean, I'm sure he's very very happy 364 00:22:55,359 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 4: about it, probably you know, grateful or gracious that that 365 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson would offer to take him under his wing. 366 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 4: I mean, listen, it takes making mistakes to be able 367 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 4: to be an example to others to tell them not 368 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 4: to make the same mistakes that you've made. Uh, And 369 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 4: so there's something to it. I'm sure there's a value 370 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 4: to it. I mean, Shador Sanders has been raised. I 371 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 4: mean I feel like just being around Prime and being 372 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 4: around them as they were growing up. They were raised 373 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 4: in a very, very loving environment and in a responsible environment. 374 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 4: Dion is a responsible dude. I think he's done an 375 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 4: excellent job of fine job of raising his children as 376 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 4: a man. So, you know, how how much does does 377 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 4: Shador Sanders really need in terms of somebody taking them 378 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 4: under his wing. I mean, he's had the support of 379 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 4: Tom Brady during his development years and still continues to 380 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 4: this day. He's he's had a lot of support from 381 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 4: people that can help him become more and more of 382 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 4: a better quarterback through the years. So I don't see 383 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 4: it being like this egregious thing. I would probably say 384 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 4: the biggest question mark for me would be do you 385 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 4: run the risk of guilt by association? You know? That 386 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 4: would be my only question, Like are you comfortable with 387 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 4: the idea of something like this, like a narrative getting 388 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 4: out that, oh, Deshaun Watson is taking Schador, you know, 389 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 4: Shador under his wing? Well what is that? What does 390 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 4: that really look like? How does the media interpret that? 391 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 4: And that would probably be the only kind of concern 392 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 4: that I would have towards it, because I mean, it's 393 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 4: not like Deshaun Watson's going to be like, hey, get 394 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 4: over here, kid, Yeah, this is how you become a 395 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 4: better quarterback. We're going to go to this massage parlor 396 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 4: later on, and you bring your money because you're paying 397 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 4: for the first Like, I don't, I don't see that 398 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 4: being you know, I don't see that being the case. 399 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 4: I think he had to learn a lot and overcome 400 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 4: a lot. 401 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: Not that wrong kid, the one with the neon lights 402 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: in front of it. 403 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't see that being 404 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 4: I don't I don't see that being how how it 405 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 4: plays out. 406 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: I just the more that we hear about the Browns 407 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: just need to get to the preseason is what they 408 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: need to do. They need and I'm not even talking 409 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: about training camp. Get to some preseason games and let's 410 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: start getting this stuff sorted out and figured out on 411 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: the field, because at this point there are so many 412 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: different layers and so many different angles on what could 413 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: happen and what might happen and who's got a voice 414 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: in what when it comes to the Browns quarterback room. 415 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: And it's just now July, and look we've laid it 416 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: out before. All of this is the doing of Jimmy Haslam, 417 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: who you know, had to step in. He needed to, 418 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: you know, sign to Sean Watson and trickle down effect 419 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: and all the other things that have gone on. But 420 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: it just strikes me as a team, as an organization, 421 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: as a coaching staff that just wants to get to 422 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: the preseason so they can start to identify, all right, 423 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: who's the guy who's not and let's move on with 424 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: our lives. Deshaun Watson getting involved in mentoring people, Okay, 425 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: I mean, that's an expensive mentor. I'll say that like that. 426 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: That's got to be the wealthiest mentor in the history 427 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 1: of the NFL, because he's he's getting paid two hundred 428 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: thirty million dollars to tell people what to do whenever. 429 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: Since he's gone there, it's been a disaster. 430 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 4: And it may possibly never play another down FW yes, 431 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 4: ball like that's that's that's pretty interesting. But again it's 432 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 4: sometimes the best mentors are the people who have gone 433 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 4: through the most. He has gone through some real, real 434 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 4: high peaks, and he has gone through some really really 435 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 4: low valleys. I mean, I'm sure he has a lot 436 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 4: of of very very impactful stories and tales of caution. 437 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 4: I'm sure he has a lot of advice that if 438 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 4: somebody's willing to listen to him, and he's that type 439 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 4: of person that could be very valuable. It could be 440 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 4: very very valuable to someone as as you know, popular 441 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 4: and out in the front as Shador Sanders is, and 442 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 4: and there could be things that he can help him 443 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 4: with that he talks to him about that ultimately could 444 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 4: get him to a big contract for whatever it's worth. 445 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson played himself into a guaranteed contract of over 446 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 4: two hundred and thirty million dollars. So which real is 447 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 4: that there's that piece of information there. 448 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: Which should be the first line in his bio when 449 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: people read about his career down the road, got paid 450 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty million dollars guaranteed and leave several 451 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: spaces and then get to the other stuff. And then 452 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: once you get to the other stuff, you go back 453 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: up to the first line and go and he still 454 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: got paid all that money. Oh yeah, yeah yeah. In fact, 455 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: his deal had the owners and the players get together 456 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: have a meeting, ripping too Russell Wilson and then try 457 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: to hide the testimony and the text messages from NFLPA presidents, etc. 458 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 3: Etc. 459 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: Because of what he did to guarantee contracts that really 460 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: should be the heading of his career when it comes 461 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: to what he has done in the NFL. I wonder 462 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: this as well too, And maybe this is just me. 463 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: Do you think Deshaun Watson feels bad about not living 464 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: up to the contract or do you think he's like, man, 465 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: I f you guys, you offered it, I signed on 466 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: the dotted line, and we're off and running. Do you 467 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: think he feels I. 468 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 4: Don't think he relates the two. As an athlete, I 469 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 4: don't think you really related to the business is the business. 470 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 4: The athletics is the athletics. So I'm not I would 471 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 4: doubt he would sit there and be like, I got 472 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 4: my money, I'm cool. I don't. I don't think that 473 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 4: that's how he's thinking. I really believe in his heart 474 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 4: of hearts, he wants to prove. He wants to prove 475 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 4: to the Cleveland Browns people, he wants to prove to 476 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 4: his peers, he wants to prove to the media. He 477 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 4: wants to prove it to himself that he can be 478 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 4: that elite quarterback once again in the league. I truly 479 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 4: believe that's how Deshaun Watson looks at this, and so 480 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 4: I don't think that he wanted to be a dud 481 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 4: of a highly paid pick for them, you know, a 482 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 4: choice for them. I think he really would like to 483 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 4: have outplayed the stain that no pun intended, but outplayed 484 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 4: a stain on his career that was created by what 485 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 4: took place in Houston. 486 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: I mean, good luck man. 487 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 4: Well, I don't, I really don't. It's that's you know, 488 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 4: you ultimately have to look at things from a point 489 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 4: of view of reality versus perception, or reality versus you know, 490 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 4: kind of I guess how you're seeing it, and his 491 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 4: reality is how he sees it, but it might not 492 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 4: be the reality of the situation. And sometimes the reality 493 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 4: of how you see a situation can end up being 494 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 4: what it really is. You can work your way into it. 495 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 4: Things can happen where you make what it is that 496 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 4: you have going on a reality in your life. He 497 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 4: just hasn't been able to do that, and at this 498 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 4: point it's it's probably more of an uphill battle for 499 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 4: him to do so. So I think that there are 500 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 4: other ways not just trying to become, you know, get 501 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 4: back and be the quarter back that you know, can 502 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 4: justify that amount of money that he was paid. First 503 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 4: of all, he doesn't have to justify anything. He's already 504 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 4: been given a guaranteed contract, so he doesn't have to 505 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 4: justify what it is that he's done. But it would 506 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 4: be interesting for him to make a difference. And making 507 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 4: a difference doesn't always necessarily mean the way you throw 508 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 4: the ball or the stats that you get on game day. 509 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,239 Speaker 4: It could be what you do to help, you know, 510 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 4: others to not make the same mistakes that you have made. 511 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,719 Speaker 4: And so maybe that's what the whole idea of, you know, 512 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 4: taking Shador under his wing, making sure that he stays 513 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 4: on the focused, straight and narrow path of just being 514 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 4: a good person and being a good player in the league. 515 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 4: Maybe that's the extent of it. Maybe that's his reprieve. 516 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 4: Maybe that's how he's working off some of the money 517 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 4: that I mean to imagine that he's played as little 518 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 4: as he's played and seemingly will not play much more 519 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 4: than what he's already played, and this is the amount 520 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 4: of money that he's getting. I mean, I think that 521 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 4: that's pretty cool that you would take the initiative to help. 522 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 4: I mean, it would have been nice to hear that 523 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 4: he's helping both of the rookie. 524 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: Well, I think he. I think he had. He's been 525 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: a mentor so and and the idea has been a 526 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: and Dylan Gabriel talked about, you know, being able to 527 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: talk with all the quarterbacks. It wasn't just Shador that 528 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: he's taken out here. 529 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 4: That's a and that's a big part of it. That's 530 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 4: a big part of it to not single out Shador 531 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 4: Sanders and say he's mentoring Shador. 532 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this right now. If I'm Joe Flacco, 533 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: I'm pissed because Joe Flacco is like, so, that guy's 534 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: getting two thirty guaranteed and he's just a mentor. I 535 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: could be a mentor and play at a high level 536 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: or at least just play. I should get at least 537 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: two fifty. But he's not. So it's a it's an 538 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: unfair it's an unfair situation. 539 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 4: Flag. I think you just want to have the opportunity 540 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 4: to play at this point and make a couple more dollars. 541 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 4: I don't think he's concerning himself with any of that. 542 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: In fact, he does one thing I could do too. 543 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 4: He shouldn't be upset, he should be happy because because 544 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 4: it's because of everything that Deshaun Watson hasn't done. In fact, 545 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 4: it's because of everything he has done before the before 546 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 4: he hasn't done that has given him the opportunity to 547 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 4: be able to be on this team anyway. So I 548 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 4: don't think he's upset at Deshaun Watson. In fact, go 549 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 4: mentor them young boys, because I'm worrying about playing. I'm 550 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 4: trying to work and get this starting job. 551 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get out of the house. 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Well, in case you missed this, LeVar. 582 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 9: The WNBA and now it's on Sunday. 583 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 4: I missed it. 584 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 10: Oh yeah, this was two days ago that Kaylyn Clark 585 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 10: and the Minnesota Lynx Star and if you said Collier I, 586 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 10: have been named the two captains of the WNBA. 587 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: All Star Game. 588 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 10: They finished first and second, respectively and voting one point 589 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 10: two million votes for Caitlin Clark one point two million 590 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 10: votes also for Callier. But put this in perspective, you guys, 591 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 10: if you looked into twenty twenty three Collier's votes top 592 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 10: all thirty All Star votes. 593 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: Combined, and. 594 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 10: Was this trying to say the top thirty All Star 595 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 10: vote getters combined three. 596 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:15,720 Speaker 1: Malfunction? Yes, I'm trying to ready, So the players voted 597 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: Kitlyn Clark ninth. She was ninth in voting, and so 598 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: is it well when you see the split between that 599 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: and what the fan voting is. And I'm not necessarily 600 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,439 Speaker 1: pro let fans vote for everybody because then it turns 601 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: into a popularity contest. But I don't know, it feels 602 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: like Caitlyn Clark would be a little bit higher than ninth. 603 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 4: You know. 604 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: It just feels like another example of a little bit 605 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: of hating going on from other players in the league 606 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, you know, I mean, look, you know, 607 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 1: hating or is. 608 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 4: She really ninth in terms of being voted a. 609 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: Cap I don't There's a lot of listen, NBA players 610 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: voted Tyrese Haliburton most overrated. You know, coaches years ago 611 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,720 Speaker 1: said James Franklin was one of the most overrated coaches. 612 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: All of those still saying that, Yeah, So I don't. 613 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I think maybe some people just don't get 614 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: the respect initially, but when you watch her play, it's 615 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: hard to imagine that she's the ninth best player in 616 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: the league, is it. But again, LaVar is the WNBA guy. 617 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to speak on his behalf when it 618 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: comes to his insider knowledge on this stuff. I'm just 619 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: an outsider looking in at this whole thing. 620 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 4: I mean, I think Caitlyn Clark has to be in 621 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 4: the conversation. I mean, you got Ajah Wilson, She's been 622 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 4: literally the best by herself. No, Fisa Collier plays for 623 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 4: the Lynx's, she's a beast. Brenda Stewart, Paige Paige, Uh, 624 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 4: I don't even I know, I don't even know how 625 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 4: to say her name. Never tried to say Beckers. There 626 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 4: you go, Kelsey, you know, Kelsey Plumb, she's in there. 627 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 4: I mean, there are there are women in there that 628 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 4: you could say, make a case for being at this point, 629 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 4: right now in their career, better players than Kitlyn Clark. 630 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 4: Caitlyn Clark is trying, you know, she's she's going up, 631 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 4: She's she's she's proving that she is a star in 632 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 4: this league, in a top star in this league. But 633 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 4: is she a top two like you're you're a captain 634 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 4: with AJA like you know, I don't, I don't know. 635 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: My favorite part about this is that how people that 636 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: defend Caitlyn Clark, like the Caitlyn Clark fanboys and fangirls 637 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: out there that are looking for any sign of disrespect 638 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: to immediately jump on it again, like cannot wait for it. 639 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: And I'm at the point now to where I don't 640 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: care either way. I'm going to take the side of 641 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: whatever's going to piss off the most people. And I'm 642 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,479 Speaker 1: telling you right now, I agree she is the ninth 643 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: best player. Okay, she's ninth in my voting as well too. 644 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 4: So I think you gotta look at it like this, right, 645 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 4: you gotta look at it like this. She's probably a 646 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,240 Speaker 4: top top five player, probably right. 647 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: Not on my list, tell you that right now. 648 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 4: It's interesting, you know, at one point Plexico Burrs was 649 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 4: crushing the league statistically as a receiver, never made a 650 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 4: Pro Bowl, never got the votes to get into a 651 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 4: Pro Bowl. So I mean it's a popularity contest and 652 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,720 Speaker 4: some aspects as well. You know, her being voted ninth 653 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 4: might not be all about how good she is in 654 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 4: terms of being you know, I guess worthy of being 655 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 4: a captain. It's just more or less how many of 656 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 4: them girls like her or not too. I mean, she's 657 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 4: not there to be a popular you know, it's not 658 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 4: there to be a popularity contest. She is popular with 659 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 4: the fan base and that's really all she needs. 660 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 1: And I would say the more that you is it 661 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: villainize or villify, whatever you want to call it. The 662 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: more you create sort of this villain aura around Caitlin Clark, 663 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 1: the more people are going to be interested to want 664 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: to tune in and watch because they want to see, Oh, 665 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: is there going to be another fight? Is she gonna 666 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: get pushed again? Is she gonna get shoved? Are they 667 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: going to pull out a shive? Like we're like we're 668 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: in a prison movie, Like what like what's going to 669 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: happen with her? Is Sophie Cunningham all of a sudden 670 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: going to walk up with a trestleches, barstool shirt? Like 671 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 1: what what are we gonna get? It has created this 672 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: buzz around her to where I now people are just 673 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,720 Speaker 1: tuning in to see how she's going to be treated, 674 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: like there is something to that. So maybe something worse. 675 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 4: She keeps the conversations going and that's really all that matters. 676 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 4: And she really can play ball. 677 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 10: And she's expanding the league. Now we've got teams in Cleveland, Detroit, 678 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 10: and Philly. By the way, Quinton, Yeah, little breaking news here. 679 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 10: She's now moved to eleventh on my list, not ninth. Oh, 680 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 10: just like that. 681 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: A good number though these are floating numbers. Wow,