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Speaker 3: What do we have, Crystal.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do a lot of things that are breaking

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Speaker 1: this morning. So as you guys probably already know, a

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Speaker 1: horrific terror attack unfolded in Moscow, we've got the very

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Speaker 1: going to happen next. It's also another big week for

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Speaker 1: a look at that big backlash at NBC after hiring

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Speaker 1: A horrific Israeli drone attack caught on video on unarmed

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Speaker 1: this a genocide, along with a number of other atrocities.

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Speaker 3: So let's go ahead and start with Moscow.

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Speaker 2: And this is a hard pivot, but to a horrific

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Speaker 2: We have some video that we can play here, just

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Speaker 5: You might have also seen, hopefully you saw our State

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Speaker 6: Do you have any sense whether this could be linked

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Speaker 5: There is no indication at this time that Ukraine or

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Speaker 2: But allegedly, from behind the scenes, the US government had

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right, and many more who were injured.

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Speaker 4: And it's a very dangerous situation. I mean, first and.

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Speaker 1: Number of people who are killed in Gaza every day

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Speaker 2: I don't really know much about these individuals. Their name

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Speaker 2: This is after investors in this SPAC have now approved

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Speaker 1: Don't know, but there are some challenges and some caveats

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Speaker 1: with regard to this potential new fortune that he is

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Speaker 1: coming into.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 2: As you said, today is actually a pretty critical day

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Speaker 2: for Trump. Let's put it up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: They say that his quote is expected to spend this

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Speaker 2: morning actually while we're taping in the courtroom of the

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Speaker 2: New York judge who will then soon preside presumably over

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Speaker 2: his criminal trial quote and ultimately possibly throw him behind bars.

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Speaker 2: That is not even the legal predicament that actually worries

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Speaker 2: Trump most this day. The hearing in which is the

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Speaker 2: so called you know, the cover up of the Stormy

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Speaker 2: Daniels thing, is coming at the exact same time that

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Speaker 2: he's got to fend off the four hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: four million dollar judgment against him. The New York Attorney General,

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Speaker 2: as he said, may begin collecting as soon as Monday.

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Speaker 2: Quote to avoid a mortal threat to the Trump organization,

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Speaker 2: Trump then must persuade another company to post the bond

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Speaker 2: on his behalf, promising it will then cover the judgment

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Speaker 2: if he loses a pending appeal and fails to pay.

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Speaker 2: Trump's lawyers said that securing the bond would be a

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Speaker 2: quote practical impossibility because he would need to pledge some

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Speaker 2: five hundred and fifty million dollars in cash and liquid

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Speaker 2: investment as collateral on the bond, and admission that laid

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Speaker 2: bare the former president's cash crunch under the quote unless

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Speaker 2: he strikes quote an eleventh hour deal that New York

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Speaker 2: State can then freeze his bank accounts and began the

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Speaker 2: long and complicated process of quote seizing some of his properties.

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Speaker 2: All of these are the quote the two twin threats

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Speaker 2: that crystallize two of Trump's greatest and longest held fears,

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Speaker 2: an actual criminal conviction and a public perception that he

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Speaker 2: does not have as much cash as he claims.

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Speaker 3: On the cash front.

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Speaker 2: I'm not defending him, but there's almost nobody is worth

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Speaker 2: billions of dollars. He's got five hundred million dollars in liquid.

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Speaker 4: Asset and interesting amount of money.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know much about the high end financial system.

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Speaker 2: It does seem a bit ridiculous to me that you

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Speaker 2: have to have liquid investments worth the amount of the

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Speaker 2: bond that you're supposed to pay, because like, okay, again

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Speaker 2: again only from reading, but don't people often put up

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Speaker 2: like their house or their mortgage or something in a

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Speaker 2: bail bond type situation.

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Speaker 3: So why can't you use then the.

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Speaker 2: Collateral of your real estate, you know, holdings, even in

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Speaker 2: the state of New York, which presuma we are going

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Speaker 2: to be taken and held anyway.

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Speaker 3: I guess maybe maybe it's more of a higher risk profile.

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Speaker 2: Again I don't I don't understand bond law or bond financing,

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Speaker 2: but it does seem crazy because if you were going

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Speaker 2: to if you had the liquid cash, and why wouldn't

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Speaker 2: you just pay the bond instead of having a bond

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Speaker 2: there anyway and curse some of the interests.

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Speaker 3: I don't really understand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't either, I mean, the one thing I

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Speaker 1: read said that they just they don't even like to

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Speaker 1: like to do a bond of their size even is

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Speaker 1: the problem. So they were willing to go as high

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Speaker 1: as one hundred million dollars, but half a billion.

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Speaker 4: Was like, I don't know about that. So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But apparently, for whatever reasons, they are not feeling super

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Speaker 1: comfy fronting the cash for this bond. So it is

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Speaker 1: a genuine question mark what's going to happen in court

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Speaker 1: today and what moves Letitia James is going to make next.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, she started the process in Westchester County,

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Speaker 1: one of his golf courses there, to potentially seize that

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Speaker 1: potentially fire or sail it.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: New York Posts had a report last week, for what

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Speaker 1: it's worth, that Trump is thinking that maybe he's just

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Speaker 1: not going to really take any action to try to

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Speaker 1: solve this problem, put the ball in her court and

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Speaker 1: try to make as much political hay out of it

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Speaker 1: as he can, with the hopes that in the future,

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Speaker 1: because this is a complicated process, it would take a

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Speaker 1: while to seize as it's of course, it would take

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Speaker 1: even longer to fire sale assets et cetera. He's hoping

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Speaker 1: that the judgment is sort of knocked down before that happens,

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Speaker 1: and he can then reclaim these properties.

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Speaker 4: But who knows, who knows how? This is a lot?

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Speaker 2: Nobody has any idea. Let's go put this up there

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Speaker 2: on the screen as well. From the ap this is

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Speaker 2: probably actually the most important part is that Trump has

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Speaker 2: now reached a new joint fundraising agreement with the RNC,

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Speaker 2: which will direct donations to his campaign and a political

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Speaker 2: action committee that pays the former president's legal bills before

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Speaker 2: the RNC gets a cut at all.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 2: The unorthodox diversion of Save America pack makes it likely

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Speaker 2: that Republican donors would see their money go to Trump's lawyers,

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Speaker 2: who have now received seventy six million dollars over the

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Speaker 2: last two years to defend him against four felony indictments

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Speaker 2: and multiple civil cases. Some Republicans are already trouble that

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Speaker 2: his takeover the RNC would short change the cash strap party.

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Speaker 2: Trump has already began inviting high dollar donors to Palm

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Speaker 2: Beach for multiple fundraisers against Joe Biden and Quote. The

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Speaker 2: invitation's fine print says that the donation to the Trump

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Speaker 2: forty seven Committee will first be used to give the

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Speaker 2: maximum amount allowed under federal law to the Trump campaign.

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Speaker 2: Anything then left over will go towards a maximum contribution

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Speaker 2: to Save America packed Anything then left over from that

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Speaker 2: will go to the RNC, and only after the state

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Speaker 2: political parties.

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Speaker 3: Noteworthy though, that.

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Speaker 2: The first three out of the four that are listed

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Speaker 2: in the joint Funding his Agreement will all go towards

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Speaker 2: paying Trump's legal bills first before any sort of campaign apparatus.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, Crystal, I don't have to It doesn't

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Speaker 2: take a genius to say this is probably bad for

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Speaker 2: the RNC. But in some ways I almost just appreciate

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Speaker 2: the brazenness of this because the RNC is Trump. Trump

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Speaker 2: is the Republican Party, so you know, everything is enshrined

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Speaker 2: totally with him. Even the campaign is more about him

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Speaker 2: than it is about anything. So yeah, if you're donating

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Speaker 2: to the campaign or whatever you are, you're donating to

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's you know, personal interests. That's basically just the

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Speaker 2: way it's been the entire time. So if anything, this

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Speaker 2: is actually very ideological consistent with the Trump kind of

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Speaker 2: takeover of the party.

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Speaker 3: I would say, and I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know, but I would suspect that a good number

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Speaker 1: of the people who are giving money to Trump don't

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Speaker 1: really have a problem a bottom with that, because I

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Speaker 1: think they see part of this campaign as this like,

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Speaker 1: you know, crusade for him personally and to get him

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Speaker 1: out of his legal travails, et cetera. So you know,

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Speaker 1: they deserve transparency around what is going on here. But

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Speaker 1: it is an astonishing situation where so many of the

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Speaker 1: millions that are being raised are going directly to his

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Speaker 1: personal benefit to try to, you know, get him out

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Speaker 1: of this legal jeopardy that he's in, and his fundraising

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Speaker 1: hasn't been going particularly well. I just pulled this up.

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Speaker 1: These numbers actually just came out. So federal campaign finance

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Speaker 1: filings that were released last week showed Trump's political operation

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Speaker 1: to serious disadvantage, struggling to catch up to Biden. This

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Speaker 1: is from ABC News and the Democratic Party. Biden and

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Speaker 1: the Dems raised fifty three million dollars last month, ended

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Speaker 1: February with one hundred and fifty five million dollars cash

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Speaker 1: on hand. Trump's campaign and his Save America Political Action Committee,

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Speaker 1: to key groups in his political operation, reported raising a

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Speaker 1: combined fifteen point nine million in February ended the month

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Speaker 1: with more than thirty seven million on hand. So a

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Speaker 1: severe disparity between the Trump operation and between the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party and Joe Biden's operation. And then when you add

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Speaker 1: to that the fact that they have to shoulder the

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Speaker 1: burden not just of running a campaign but also of

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Speaker 1: paying these massive legal bills on behalf of Donald Trump. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it puts him at a real cash disadvantage. Now how

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Speaker 1: much does that matter? Obviously money wasn't enough to save

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen, even though she dramatically outfund

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Speaker 1: raised Donald Trump. So you don't want to read too

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Speaker 1: much into it, but certainly, if you're trying to campaign,

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Speaker 1: you're trying to get the word out, you're trying to

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Speaker 1: pay staff, you're trying to put your message out there

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Speaker 1: in terms of AD dollars, which is what a lot

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Speaker 1: of this money goes to. And it's a problem for

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Speaker 1: you if you don't have a lot in the bank.

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Speaker 2: Yeh line, Absolutely, let's put the last element up there,

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Speaker 2: please on the screen.

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Speaker 3: This was also very important.

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Speaker 2: Plans were actually recently scrapped for that Trump rally in Arizona.

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Speaker 2: Two sources cited their desire to save money to attend

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Speaker 2: a more politically advantageous event in Ohio last weekend. But

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Speaker 2: that means that Trump's last trip to Arizona remains October ninth,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, pretty important because didn't exactly go so

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Speaker 2: well for m last time in October nine, about twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two, whenever he was stumping for Kerry Lake. Presumably

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Speaker 2: he will return to the state to stump for carry

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Speaker 2: Lake again. The question, though, remains, is this actually going

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Speaker 2: to hinder the campaign? And I don't think we can't.

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Speaker 2: It's complicated, I mean, to a certain extent, I do

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Speaker 2: think it has overblown some of this, like investment in

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Speaker 2: get out the vote technology and all this other stuff.

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Speaker 2: A lot of it comes down to whether people are

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Speaker 2: even interested in voting or not, which is mostly derivative

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Speaker 2: of the national news environment. We can't say it hurts

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Speaker 2: either right to have this major investment in door knocking

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Speaker 2: and in the software and then the actual machinery of

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Speaker 2: getting people out there. But Trump has so much enthusiasm

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Speaker 2: that it's not even necessarily that he needs money or not.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if money really mattered, then Hillary would have

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Speaker 2: beat Trump, you know, easily.

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Speaker 3: Back in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: My theory when it comes to money and how much

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Speaker 1: it matters in terms of any sort of political campaign

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Speaker 1: is that the more local the races, the more the

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Speaker 1: money actually matters.

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Speaker 4: And so since when you're.

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Speaker 1: Talking about a presidential contest, like who in America doesn't

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Speaker 1: know who Joe Biden and Donald Trump are? Who in

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Speaker 1: America doesn't have some sort of opinion about both of

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Speaker 1: these two individuals, and who in America doesn't know like

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Speaker 1: when the election of them is coming up, and how

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Speaker 1: the mechanics of that all work. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: say it doesn't matter at all, but I do think

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Speaker 1: that the higher you go up the you know, the

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Speaker 1: sort of food chain with regard to political campaigns, the

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Speaker 1: less impactful it is because earned media and the national

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Speaker 1: political climate just becomes so incredibly important. Now there are

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Speaker 1: certain things like, for example, there's been this whole question

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Speaker 1: of how the Trump campaign is going to deal with

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Speaker 1: mail in voting this time around.

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Speaker 4: Are they going to fully embrace it?

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Speaker 1: Are they going to fully run that like mail in

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Speaker 1: voting turnout campaign? If he had done that last time around,

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Speaker 1: he may well be president right now. So he seems

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Speaker 1: to still personally be kind of reluctant about it, but

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Speaker 1: the people around him seem to have realized that it

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Speaker 1: was a mistake to forego pushing mail in balloting. So

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Speaker 1: you know, having that operation fully funded, that is the

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Speaker 1: sort of thing that can make a difference on the margins.

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Speaker 4: And look, we're talking about election that is.

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Speaker 1: Probably going to come down to a very narrow margin.

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Speaker 1: So in that way it is impactful. There's also something

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Speaker 1: to say about the fact that previously Trump was a

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Speaker 1: real fundraising juggernaut when it came to the grassroots, and

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Speaker 1: there actually has been a bipartisan phenomenon recently of grassroots

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Speaker 1: fundraising really sort of drying up.

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Speaker 4: I think there's just a lot of like apathy and you.

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Speaker 1: Know, discussed with the political system where people aren't feeling

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Speaker 1: that hopeful, like, oh, there's you know something positive I

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Speaker 1: can invest my money in, et cetera. And he has

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Speaker 1: just tapped his people out too. I mean a number

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Speaker 1: of times that he hits his fundraising list.

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Speaker 4: Over and over and over.

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Speaker 1: He really has tapped them out, not only for himself

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Speaker 1: but for other Republicans as well. But it is, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's also an indication of a sort of waning amount

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Speaker 1: of grassroots enthusiasm that he's not still able to draw

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Speaker 1: from that well to the extent that he was able

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Speaker 1: to in the past.

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Speaker 4: I think that also is worth noting.

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Speaker 2: Keep his in mind too. Trump had tons of money

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. We lost, so I mean he had

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Speaker 2: more money in that campaign. I think more than almost

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Speaker 2: double or something like that. They had the same joint

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Speaker 2: fundraising game, agreeing with the RNC. But then remember what

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Speaker 2: we learned in October that the huge amounts of the

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Speaker 2: money they brought in was just spent trying to drive

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Speaker 2: even more money. But from it was like Brad pars Scale,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, and Jared Kushner, they wasted billions and billions

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Speaker 2: of dollars.

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Speaker 4: They're spent wildly right exactly.

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Speaker 3: So money, you know, it can be helpful.

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Speaker 2: Obviously no one's going to discount it, but a lot

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Speaker 2: of it will come down to national trends as well.

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Speaker 2: So just keep that in mind, and of course the

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Speaker 2: media how they cover it, how people are feeling about

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Speaker 2: the election, that's probably the single most important aspect. That's

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Speaker 2: a good transition to media. MSNBC a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a meltdown over there over the recent hiring of our

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Speaker 2: former RNC chairwoman Ron Romney, McDaniel, NBC hosts and Chuck

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Speaker 2: Todd in particular openly lambasting their own bosses for hiring her.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: I'll be joined by former RNC chair Ron and McDaniel

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Speaker 7: in her first interview since stepping down as party chair.

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Speaker 7: In full disclosure to our viewers, this interview was scheduled

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Speaker 7: weeks before it was announced that McDaniel would become a

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Speaker 7: paid NBC News contributor. This will be a news interview

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Speaker 7: and I was not involved in her hiring.

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Speaker 8: Let me do with the elephant in the room.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think our bosses owe you an apology for

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Speaker 9: putting you in this situation because I don't know what

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Speaker 9: to believe.

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Speaker 8: She is now a paid contributor by NBC News.

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Speaker 9: Well, I have no idea whether any answer she gave

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Speaker 9: to you was because she didn't want to mess up

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Speaker 9: her contract. When NBC made the decision to give her

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Speaker 9: NBC News's credibility, you got to ask yourself.

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Speaker 8: What does she bring NBC News?

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Speaker 9: And when we make deals like this, and I've been

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Speaker 9: at this company a long time, you're doing it for access,

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Speaker 9: access to audience. Sometimes a Texas to an individual, and

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Speaker 9: we can have a journalistic ethics debate about that, and.

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Speaker 8: I am willing to have that debate.

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Speaker 9: And if you told me we were hiring her as

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Speaker 9: a technical advisor to the Republican Convention, I think that

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Speaker 9: would be certainly defensible. You got put into an impossible

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Speaker 9: situation booking this interview, and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 9: the rugs pull out from interview. You find actually being

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Speaker 9: paid to show up. It's unfortunate for this program. It's unfortunate, Crystal.

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Speaker 9: Now it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Now there's a couple of things, because on one level, ethically,

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree with him at all. That said, why

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Speaker 2: are we not showing the same level of consternation about

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Speaker 2: the number of other campaign officials that work at MSNBC.

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Speaker 2: We have a list that we can show everybody in

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Speaker 2: a little bit, but I want to hear what you

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Speaker 2: have to say before we get in.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think this practice, which is entirely commonplace

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Speaker 1: and frankly has been for a while, of taking paid

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Speaker 1: operatives from the political parties and putting them into quote

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Speaker 1: unquote journalistic positions.

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Speaker 4: Is a scourge.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, I think it's a scourge. When it

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Speaker 1: happens if Fox New. I think it's a scourge when

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Speaker 1: it happens at NBC. And you know, I don't think

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Speaker 1: they're wrong to be upset about the hiring of Ronald McDaniel.

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Speaker 1: And she, you know, from them, from an ideological perspective,

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Speaker 1: she went along with all. She was in charge when

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Speaker 1: all the stuff, this steel nonsense was unfolding, she went

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Speaker 1: along with it. Now, granted, the Trump people were mad

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Speaker 1: that she didn't do more and didn't like blatantly just

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Speaker 1: rig the Trump Republican primary in his favor and actually

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Speaker 1: ran tried to run like a neutral primary. But from

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Speaker 1: their perspective, yor like, we talk all day long about

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Speaker 1: this threat to democracy and then you hire this person

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Speaker 1: that was central to you know, what was going on

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Speaker 1: during that time period. But you're right that obviously it's

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Speaker 1: very selective. They don't have an across the board concern

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Speaker 1: about hiring Tansaki, about hiring Simone Sanders, about the fact

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Speaker 1: that you know, reportedly Joe and Mika are on the

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Speaker 1: phone of Biden all the time, and you know there's

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Speaker 1: a direct connect there. And so I think if you're

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Speaker 1: going to be concerned about party tied bagandas being put

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Speaker 1: in these roles that now they're supposed to be credible

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Speaker 1: and we're supposed to believe what they have to say,

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Speaker 1: and we're supposed to think that they don't have an agenda.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you should be selective about it now.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I understand why they have an issue here.

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Speaker 1: I just think that they have some ideological blinders on

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Speaker 1: are unable to apply the principle.

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Speaker 2: Across And the ridiculous part of that is Simone Sanders,

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Speaker 2: whose previous job at that net, before that network job,

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Speaker 2: who was on the panel discussing McDaniel.

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Speaker 3: Was working for Kamala Harris in the administration. Guys, whimp

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Speaker 3: would see three please up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This is what drives me crazy about all these people,

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Speaker 2: of all just of the recent hires that these people

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Speaker 2: have Jen Saki straight from the Biden podium over to

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Speaker 2: MSNBC for her own television show. Simone Sanders is the

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Speaker 2: exact same thing. I believe she has a show on Peacock.

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Speaker 2: Would love to know the ratings on that one. Nicole Wallace,

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Speaker 2: former Bush Press Secretary, Comm's director direct Pipeline to Television

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Speaker 2: and now the host of a I think the four

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Speaker 2: to six pm hour or whatever. Joe Scarborough arguably the

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Speaker 2: king of the network himself, who talks directly to Biden

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Speaker 2: on the phone, former job US congressman, and then Michael Steele,

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Speaker 2: former RNC chair. So let's be consistent people, And yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think it's gross too. Every time you turn on

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Speaker 2: Fox News, Dana Perino, what's her only previous job?

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Speaker 3: Comm's director or press secretary to George W. Bush? Ari

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Speaker 3: Fleischer Comm's director to George W. Bush.

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Speaker 2: Kaylee Mcanenni, former press secretary to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the pipeline is gross.

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Speaker 2: These people whose only pipeline are only previous qualifications with

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Speaker 2: lying to the American people on the half of the government,

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Speaker 2: then seemingly getting hired by Fox. But we have to

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Speaker 2: be consistent, you know, with our standard here, and for them,

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Speaker 2: I think it's very obvious that they fall into a

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Speaker 2: vision of It's like, oh, well, one is lying and

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Speaker 2: the other one, you know, is directionally occasionally lied but

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Speaker 2: tried to steer the country in a good direction. And

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Speaker 2: it's like, well, you know, people can see through this.

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Speaker 2: It's like, you're freak out in all of this. It's

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Speaker 2: not principled in any way, it doesn't, you know, have

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Speaker 2: a foundation beyond anything, just like Republican bad or Democrat bad,

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Speaker 2: you know, over on news AND's and that's why people

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Speaker 2: have no trust, you know, in terms of any ethics

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Speaker 2: things that they try to put forward, because.

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Speaker 3: See through it instantly, like just simone on the panel, Crystal.

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Speaker 1: Now, in fairness, I do seem to recall that there

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Speaker 1: was some consternation when Jens Hoki was literally negotiating her ENVC.

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Speaker 3: It was a little bit only from the White House

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Speaker 3: course pond.

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Speaker 1: There was a little bit of discomfort, if memory serves.

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Speaker 1: I think Kristen Welker may have even been one of

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Speaker 1: the utiful White House one of the people who was

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Speaker 1: asking questions about this and was like, I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: about this because it was so blatant and so inappropriate

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Speaker 1: for the person who was right now the paid propagandist

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Speaker 1: for the White House to be negotiating her future contract

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Speaker 1: with a quote unquote journalistic enterprise was really something And

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Speaker 1: of course you still have to ask to this day,

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Speaker 1: like with regard to all of those people that we

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Speaker 1: had up on the screen, the same questions that Chuck

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Speaker 1: Todd was raising with regards to Ronald McDaniel, like, what

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Speaker 1: is the reason that she is saying these things?

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Speaker 4: Is it because she's paid by us? Now?

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Speaker 1: Is it because she's still a propagandist for the Republican Party?

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Speaker 1: You know, same thing with Jensaki. Is she saying the

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Speaker 1: things and taking the perspective she's taking because guess what,

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Speaker 1: she still has a lot of friends in the White

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Speaker 1: House and she still wants to be part of that club.

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Speaker 1: And she still wants as Chuck Tadd points out, this

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Speaker 1: was part of what was so interesting about what he

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Speaker 1: had to say. She still wants the access. Of course

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Speaker 1: she does. So does Simone Sanders.

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Speaker 4: Of course she does.

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Speaker 1: So you know, we need to apply the same level

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Speaker 1: of scrutiny and skepticism even when it's people who we

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Speaker 1: more often agree with. And I think that's really the

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Speaker 1: blind spot here is because they usually agree with Jensaki,

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Speaker 1: and they usually agree with Simone Sanders, they can't see

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Speaker 1: them through that lens of No, these are also just

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Speaker 1: propagandists who are you know, not clearly speaking for themselves

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Speaker 1: and what they actually think is right, but still have

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Speaker 1: these ties, still have these incentives to really care carry

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Speaker 1: water for the Biden administration no matter what it is

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Speaker 1: that they are ultimately doing. I mean, listen, I can't

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Speaker 1: say I'm a big consumer of MSNBC period. I'm not

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Speaker 1: really not even sure the last time I turned on

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Speaker 1: that channel. Occasionally, you know, we'll cover a media clip

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Speaker 1: here or something that's not.

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Speaker 2: The extent of it Ornachy on Election Live. Sometimes I

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Speaker 2: will tune it the gym as long as it's mostly.

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Speaker 3: Off and not on anybody else.

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Speaker 1: But I have not It has not come to my

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Speaker 1: attention that either Jensaki or Simone Sanders has found a

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Speaker 1: single place where they really disagree with the Biden ministry.

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Speaker 1: Now I could be wrong, again, I don't Again, I

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Speaker 1: don't have an exhaustive review here, but has not come

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Speaker 1: to my attention that they have found, even in each

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Speaker 1: of distance from the Biden administration position on really anything.

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Speaker 2: So you know, could take that for One of the

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Speaker 2: biggest joke is when Jensaki interviews government officials on her show,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, really, it's like your former freaking colleagues,

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Speaker 2: and you're supposed to be interviewing them, insane whenever you're

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Speaker 2: in a position of power. Okay, so let's put the

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Speaker 2: C two though up on the screen. We briefly flashed

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Speaker 2: it from Wall Street Journal just to get tie the

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Speaker 2: bow on this. MSNBC currently says they have no plan

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Speaker 2: to have the x RNC chief on their network. She

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Speaker 2: will solely be appearing on NBC News, I guess, on

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Speaker 2: Meet the Press or whatever in their nightly news program.

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Speaker 2: I definitely think it's a bit of a screw you

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Speaker 2: though to them. This was according to the head of

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Speaker 2: the MSNBC network, and that's in response to internal staff

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Speaker 2: you know, consternation over this. But as I said, doesn't

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Speaker 2: appear to stop at least the president from pulling Jensaki show,

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Speaker 2: who has a premium like weekend slot or whatever, Simone Sanders,

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Speaker 2: and not to mention Nicole Wallace. I also saw people

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Speaker 2: being like, well, you know, it's not like Jensaki, you know,

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Speaker 2: stood by for a violent insurrection. I'm like, okay, well,

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Speaker 2: even if you believe that or whatever. Nicole Wallace helped

874
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: sell the worst modern war in American history? Why does

875
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: she get a pass in anybody connected to the Iraq war?

876
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: That is ten times, not even ten times orders a

877
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: magnitude in a way I can't even express properly in

878
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: emotion and a rhetoric worse than whatever the hell happened

879
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: on January sixth. But you know, if we're anti Trump,

880
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 2: apparently that's all it takes over there.

881
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: How do you think Rana is going to position herself

882
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: now that she's at NBC, because you know, during the

883
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: Trump era, she dropped the Romney.

884
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 4: Part of her name.

885
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: Something disappeared, so she could, you know, try to align

886
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: herself with the ascendant Trump portion of the Republican Party,

887
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: try to keep him happy, you know, try to do

888
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: the things that she thought that the base wanted her

889
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: to do, even as you know, like I said before,

890
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: she still didn't go far enough for them because they

891
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: wanted her to overtly rig it in in Trump's favor

892
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: in terms of the primary. But what do you expect

893
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: her positioning will be now at NBC.

894
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, to be honest, I think Rona was

895
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 2: one of those people who this is one thing we're chucking.

896
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: All of them are not wrong in the same way

897
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: about Jensizen. They care about access more than anything. She's

898
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 2: like a power broker, slash player. She'll probably be involved.

899
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: This isn't you know, this is there.

900
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 2: This isn't really their third act either, because they have

901
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: all of these contracts that they can work as consultants,

902
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 2: and you know, the NBC News thing is only.

903
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 3: Part of it.

904
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: She's probably gonna have a thriving, you know, consultancy business

905
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 2: on the side.

906
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: People pay for play.

907
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: So I think she'll probably just continue to cozy up

908
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: to Trump in the same way or be the Trump

909
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: splainer as she always was when she was RNC chair,

910
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: because that's where a lot of her career business and

911
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: all that is going to go.

912
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't expect anything. That's the other thing.

913
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: You don't expect anything novel from these people, which you

914
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: shouldn't hire them in the first place. The only good

915
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: thing about hiring people in media is when they're actually

916
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 2: willing to say something that is interesting, which by definition

917
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: you can't if you're still inside of the system.

918
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's no expectation that she's going to

919
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: be some unmartaged truth teller because obviously her career is

920
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: just about saying what she thinks is convenient in the moment.

921
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: And so the real question that I'm asking you is like,

922
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: what do you think will be convenient for her in

923
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: the moment.

924
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 4: Not what does she actually think?

925
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: And it's entirely possible that she finds it now convenient

926
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: in the moment to do a bit of a face

927
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: turn and now be you know, a little bit of

928
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: a Trump critic, you know, render herself more ecpstible to

929
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: the NBC audience, make herself reclaim some of that Romney

930
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: style mainstream polite society acceptability so that she can maximize

931
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: her payday and corporate America through consulting, lobbying, gigs or whatever.

932
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 4: Yes, so, guys, we wanted to share.

933
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Speaker 1: With you a little bit of this absolutely horrifying drone

934
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: footage that al Jazeer was able to obtain. In it,

935
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: you can see four unarmed civilians who are murdered by

936
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: and Israeli drone. You know, we had a lot of

937
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: internal debate about how much of this to show you.

938
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Speaker 1: Here you can see them walking and then very quickly

939
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: you can you know, see them just strolling along this

940
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: as near conunis. There is further footage that we chose

941
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: not to show you where you can see their bodies

942
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: on the ground. You can see one individual who is

943
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: crawling along the ground, you know, clearly struggling for their

944
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: life before they are struck yet again. And you know

945
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: it recalls Sagar a lot of things from the past,

946
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 1: including glateral murder, which was the footage that was released

947
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: by WikiLeaks during the Iraq War. This, if anything, I

948
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: think is even more brazen and even more blatant of

949
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: a war crime. Just to take you a little bit

950
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Were really debated how much of this

951
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: to show you, because on the one hand, I think

952
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: it's important for people to see directly some of the

953
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: horrors and atrocities that are unfolding. On the other hand,

954
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: you don't want to be too graphic. And in addition,

955
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 1: in order for people to be able to see these things,

956
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: you have to not have them completely suppressed by the

957
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: algorithm on YouTube, So that's another factor to balance. So,

958
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:42,479
Speaker 1: in any case, incredibly disturbing footage here, which I think

959
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: in some ways, for whatever reason, seems to have represented

960
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: a bit of a watershed moment in terms of how

961
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: people are viewing what is being committed here. And as

962
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: one example of that, I would offer you the commentary

963
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: of one Alex Jones put this up on the screen,

964
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: who shared this footage and quote tweeted it and said, quote,

965
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: Israel has lost the high ground. This is not war.

966
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: It is robotic mass genocide. Section ten ninety one of

967
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: Title eighteen United States Code for hibbits genocide, whether committed

968
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: in time of peace or time of war. Genocide is

969
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: defined in section ten ninety one and includes violent attacks

970
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: with the specific intent to destroy, in whole or in part,

971
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. He goes on

972
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: to say a reply to that and said, if you

973
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: support Israel, you should not support the random killing of civilians.

974
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: Israel is committing suicide with actions like this. Use your

975
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: effing brain, so you know, just an absolute, unjustifiable horror

976
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: in saga. I think maybe part of why it seems

977
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: like this was a bit of a watershed moment and made,

978
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, the horror of these atrocities undeniable for people

979
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 1: who were kind of reluctant to go there is because

980
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: number one, you can't you know, but you can't, oh

981
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: human shield this. And there's also just something so visceral

982
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: about actually seeing that cold blooded massacre that is kind

983
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: of undeniable.

984
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: Well, and there's also something even more dystopian. I think

985
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: that's part of the reason why Alex did There's something

986
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it should be this way, but for

987
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: some reason it is emotionally like the idea of somebody

988
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: walking defenselessly, even not even knowing that they're being surveiled,

989
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 2: and then being targeted, as opposed to let's say, being

990
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 2: caught in a crossfire or you know, in a bombing,

991
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: where as you said, there could be at least some

992
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: sort of plausible explanation. It was also interesting to me

993
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 2: to see Alex kind of go back with some of

994
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 2: the people who went against him, for example, and if

995
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 2: you look at some of his replies, you know he says,

996
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: like this is setting the stage for what they want

997
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 2: to do domestically. That's part of the reason he's speaking

998
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: out against drone coverage. For example. Someone says, I support

999
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: neither side, but our tax money shouldn't be.

1000
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 3: Funding any of this, Alex, that is my view.

1001
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: He also specifically called out previously not wanting Israel to

1002
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: go into Gaza, because he said him and Steve Bannon

1003
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: where they were like it would be a total disaster,

1004
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: and he's like, and that's really what come to pass.

1005
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: And someone even said, quote, I'm surprised Alex is just

1006
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 2: figuring this out, and he says, I do not support

1007
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: October seven, but at the same time, I do not

1008
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: support killing random civilians.

1009
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 3: You should kill the leaders of Hamas, not unarmed people.

1010
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 2: And somebody you know replied calling saying that October sen

1011
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: was a war crime and should be met as such.

1012
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: And he again said, so a whole people need to

1013
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: die because of a few Where have I seen that

1014
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: type of logic and previously and finally, I think the

1015
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: most important thing that I think pushed a lot of

1016
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: people over the edge. Something says I would be very

1017
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: skeptical because this is coming from Al Jazeera. He says,

1018
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: it is all over Israeli TV. They are calling for this.

1019
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: I am not anti Israel. This is out of control,

1020
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: but it must stop now. And I think that's you know,

1021
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: that's another thing too, I can say, you know, personally

1022
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: for the same thing.

1023
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 3: I'm not, you know, anti Israel or whatever.

1024
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: From the beginning, I was just like, I'm just listening

1025
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: to what these people have to say and looking at

1026
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: their actions, and you try and you know, look at

1027
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 2: it as dispassionately as possible, and so like with this,

1028
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 2: you're like, okay, well, what is the possible explanation? There

1029
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: is none except for obviously giving orders and rules of

1030
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: engagement that basically don't exist whenever you're going after civilians,

1031
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 2: and in some cases possibly even in this one, it's like,

1032
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: what is the possible rationale for an attack like this

1033
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: if there is no Okham's razor to this? And the

1034
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: simplest explanation is that they were just ordered to the

1035
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: order to carry out these types of attacks, which does

1036
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: not something I support. I don't think the I don't

1037
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 2: even think vast majority of pro Israel folks in the

1038
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: US would support this. They just probably deny that it exists,

1039
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: or just they either deny that exist or there's not

1040
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: going to engage with it, which I get. I mean

1041
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: that's what a lot of the quote unquote prolemas people

1042
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 2: to do too. But you got to be you've got

1043
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: to be grappling with this.

1044
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: I mean there's two strategies effectively. One is just to

1045
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: deny reality. Oh there's no famine, there's no starvation. No,

1046
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: there's not any targeting of innocent civilians. They're all just

1047
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: being used as any civilians who are killed either are

1048
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: being used as human shields or it was you know,

1049
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: one bad apple, a few bad apples. No way could

1050
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: this be a top down policy. But of course when

1051
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: you see the results and you see videos like this,

1052
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: When you see the way that most of the Gaza

1053
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: strip has been just reduced to complete rubble, when you

1054
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 1: see the collective punishment of the entire population and starvation

1055
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: being used as a weapon of war, becomes undeniable that

1056
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: it's a top down policy. Obviously, it's a top down policy.

1057
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: It was a top down policy that was announced from

1058
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: the beginning. Alex Is phrasing here of robotic mass genocide

1059
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: also reminded me of some of the early reports that

1060
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: we covered from nine seven to two magazine about how

1061
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: they're and.

1062
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 4: Other places too.

1063
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: I think the Guardian had a report backing up nine

1064
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: seven to two's initial finding that they're using this algorithm

1065
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 1: to generate targets, you know, and it's just dramatically increasing

1066
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: the number of targets that they're able to obtain and

1067
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: the scale and the scope of the total annihilation that.

1068
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 4: They're able to perpetrate here.

1069
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: So, like I said, it seemed like something about this video,

1070
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: even though we've covered so many horrors and atrocities that

1071
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: have unfolded on a literal daily basis, it seemed like

1072
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: for some people this really finally broke through and rendered

1073
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: what was going on here actually undeniable. Another person who

1074
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: has been slow to come around to a realization of

1075
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: what is actually happening is aoc Your recall we actually

1076
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: played here? I think, do we play it the video

1077
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: of her getting hounded by protesters who were demanding that

1078
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: she call it.

1079
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: We never played it.

1080
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 4: We didn't play it.

1081
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I watched it, and imagine that we covered

1082
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: apparently that she was leaving a movie theater and they're saying,

1083
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: why don't you call it a genocide?

1084
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 4: She refused to do it, got very upset about it. Well,

1085
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 4: she too.

1086
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: I think perhaps it seems like the thing that really

1087
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: drove her to this place was the use of starvation as.

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Speaker 4: A weapon of war.

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Speaker 1: She is now also calling this out as a Genocidelet's

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Speaker 1: take a listen to she gave a floor speechless take

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Speaker 1: to listen to some of her comments.

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Speaker 4: In this moment.

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Speaker 10: One point one million innocence in Gaza are at famine's door,

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Speaker 10: A famine that is being intentionally precipitated through the blocking

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Speaker 10: of food and global humanitarian assistance by leaders in the

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Speaker 10: Israeli government. This is a mass starvation of people, engineered

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Speaker 10: and orchestrated following the killing of another thirty thousand, seventy

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Speaker 10: percent of whom were women and children killed. If you

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Speaker 10: want to know what an unfolding genocide looks like, open

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Speaker 10: your eyes. It looks like the forced famine of one

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Speaker 10: point one million innocens. It looks like thousands of children

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Speaker 10: eating grass at their bodies, consumed themselves while trucks of

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Speaker 10: food are slowed and halted just miles away. It looks

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Speaker 10: like good and decent people who do nothing or too little,

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Speaker 10: too late.

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Speaker 1: To me that level of starvation, the intentional policy of starvation,

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Speaker 1: which again was announced at the beginning. Now they have

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Speaker 1: allowed in some aid, but we know it has been

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Speaker 1: dramatically less than what is required. We know from multiple

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Speaker 1: reports on the ground the way that they block and

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00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: hold up aid. We know the way that they turn

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Speaker 1: trucks around, we know the way that they have actually

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Speaker 1: at this point they've been targeting some of the civilian

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Speaker 1: civil society personnel that was there to help distribute the aid.

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Speaker 1: We know the way they've gone after unrun. And the

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Speaker 1: bottom line is, you know, Israel Bear's responsibility for the

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Speaker 1: fact that this population is literally starving to death at

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Speaker 1: this point. And that's not even to get to which

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Speaker 1: will show you a little bit of in a moment,

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Speaker 1: the way that they have tacitly backed these protesters who

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Speaker 1: are endeavoring to block all AID from going into the

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Speaker 1: Gaza strip. And so to me, the level of famine

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Speaker 1: also is undeniable. That hey, it's not you know, because

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Speaker 1: of human shields or hamas or whatever. You're literally holding

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Speaker 1: the entire two million, two point two million people in

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Speaker 1: Gaza hostage and you know, making them pay for things

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Speaker 1: that they had nothing to do with.

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Speaker 4: So apparently that was the thing that pushed AOC to.

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Speaker 1: Finally, you know, acknowledge what was happening in front of

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Speaker 1: her eyes. So in addition to this core of this

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Speaker 1: drone footage and of course the ongoing starvation and famine

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Speaker 1: with no end in sight, we also have these new

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Speaker 1: reports from Doctors Without Borders. Some of their medical personnel

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Speaker 1: of course, have been in some of the Gaza hospitals

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Speaker 1: doing the absolute best they can in absolutely hell escape

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Speaker 1: like conditions.

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Speaker 4: S put this up on the.

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Speaker 1: Screen, we have yet another idf raid of al Shifa.

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Speaker 1: And here's what Doctors Without Borders has to say. According

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Speaker 1: to their staff, heavy air strikes by Israeli air force.

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Speaker 1: By Israeli forces and fearce fighting continue around Al Shifa

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Speaker 1: and Gaza City, endangering patients, medical staff and people trapped

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Speaker 1: inside with very few supplies. According to public reports, hundreds

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Speaker 1: of people have been killed in and around the hospital.

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Speaker 4: Bodies are lying in the street.

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Speaker 1: Access to the facility has been impossible for days. The

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Speaker 1: surgical department has reportedly heavily damaged, leaving patients without care.

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Speaker 1: Our staff in the area also say there are mass

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Speaker 1: arrests of medical staff and other people in and around

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Speaker 1: the hospital. MSF, that's the other acronym Medicines on Frontiers

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Speaker 1: or Doctors without Borders is deeply concerned for their safety

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Speaker 1: due to recent reports, including from the UN and images

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Speaker 1: of abuse of Gazen detainees by Israeli forces, and they

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Speaker 1: conclude hostilities in and around Alshifa Hospital have been raging

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Speaker 1: since March eighteenth, after Israeli forces announced they were conducting

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Speaker 1: a military operation.

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Speaker 4: So just take that in.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about reports from Doctors without Borders. This is

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Speaker 1: not HUMMAS, right, It's not Hummas aligned or anything of

1160
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Speaker 1: the like. Their doctors and other personnel on the ground

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Speaker 1: saying that medical staff are being arrested and detained. We've

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Speaker 1: had additional reports of horrors, including executions occurring at Al Shifa,

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Speaker 1: mass executions. There have also been some reports, multiple reports

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Speaker 1: at this point of idea of soldiers raping women in

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Speaker 1: Al Shifa. These are not things that are fully confirmed,

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Speaker 1: but I think you have to take very seriously what

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Speaker 1: Doctors without Borders is saying here about what is unfolding

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Speaker 1: at Al Shifa. You'll recall this is the fourth raid

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Speaker 1: on this hospital. It attracted a lot of scrutiny the

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Speaker 1: first time around when the US basically greenlit the raid

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Speaker 1: of this hospital, claiming there was some hummusk command and

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Speaker 1: control note underneath of it. Of course, they never offered

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Speaker 1: any evidence to back up fully those claims, and now

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Speaker 1: here we are on raid number four at least. And

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Speaker 1: you know, these are the things that just continue to unfold.

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Speaker 2: Dagger Yeah, No, I mean it's absolutely crazy. The last

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Speaker 2: and final one. Here is a video from the Gray

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Speaker 2: Zone where they do interviews with some of the protesters

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Speaker 2: who are blocking AID.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 4: No, they don't deserve it. What I care?

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Speaker 2: Kill them?

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Speaker 4: I don't care.

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Speaker 11: Do you trust?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: I know all about them. I don't trust them, I

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Speaker 4: don't I want them.

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Speaker 10: Out of here.

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Speaker 3: Do you think she happened to Gaza?

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Speaker 10: I wanted to our to be civilized with Jews from Israel.

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Speaker 12: We blew up houses of terrorists, mosque you and offices.

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Speaker 12: I remember we got into some U N office that

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Speaker 12: was in charge of helping families in Gaza that was

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Speaker 12: affected by the war, and we destroyed it.

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Speaker 13: And the police and the head commander came to us

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Speaker 13: and said, okay, you guys came and blocked. We don't

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Speaker 13: want to fight, and he said to us, just look

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Speaker 13: to the guy. You guys don't need to stand in

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Speaker 13: the sun. We got we got lollipops, we got watermelon

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Speaker 13: from the watermelon. Yeah, watermelons, and uh, what's great? What's

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Speaker 13: great with them?

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Speaker 2: So, according to AM is being supported there directly by police, military.

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Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure the authorities that are involved here,

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Speaker 2: but this is just very obvious that they are completely

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Speaker 2: supported by the government, and the government has been crushing

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Speaker 2: these protests in Tel Aviv calling for a sea spot

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Speaker 2: or at the very least a hostage swap, including families

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Speaker 2: of the Israeli hostages who were what sprayed with water cannons,

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Speaker 2: and these people are getting watermelon and lollipops. Watermelon, if

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Speaker 2: you've never known, is a big Israel people. Israeli's love watermelon.

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Speaker 4: I don't really get watermelon.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, but these people are obsessed with watermelon to

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Speaker 2: a degree that I really did not understand.

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Speaker 3: Everybody in Israel's even watermelon all the time.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that video really had it all.

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Speaker 1: Because you have the first lady who's like, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: want them all to die. You have the next one

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Speaker 1: who's admitting openly to war crimes in the Gaza strip. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we found a UN office. They were there to, you know,

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Speaker 1: help people have been displaced. We blew it up completely

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Speaker 1: just I mean, no shame, because why would you because

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Speaker 1: this is the policy of the government and broadly supported

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Speaker 1: by society. And then you have the final one who's like, no,

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Speaker 1: the police, the IDF, they're with us. They've been great.

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Speaker 1: You know, they helped us find some shade, they gave

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Speaker 1: us lollipops and watermelon. They've been fine. This has been

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Speaker 1: clear by the way. I watching posts early on had

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Speaker 1: a report about the way this was being supported by

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Speaker 1: the IDF and was effectively official policy because if they

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Speaker 1: wanted to remove these protesters, then they certainly would in

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Speaker 1: the same way that they, you know, overwhelmingly cracked down

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Speaker 1: on protesters in Tel Aviv and other places who are

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Speaker 1: pushing for ceasefire negotiations to try to secure the release

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Speaker 1: of hostages. No problem cracking down on them. But these

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Speaker 1: individuals are important part of the bb Netnahu coalitions, so

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Speaker 1: they're allowed to persist. In fact, a majority of supporters

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Speaker 1: of the Net Yahoo government support ethnic cleansing and resettlement

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Speaker 1: of Gaza with Jewish settlers. So you know, that's the

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01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: landscape that you're dealing with here. And you know, like

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Speaker 1: I said, we've sort of had to pick and choose

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Speaker 1: which things we show for this segment because there were

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Speaker 1: so many to choose from you cannot possibly cover them all.

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Speaker 1: But this is part of the landscape that has made it,

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Speaker 1: you know, impossible for even someone who was reluctant like

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Speaker 1: Alex Jones perhaps or certainly someone who is reluctant like

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Speaker 1: AOC as well, to call this a genocide and say

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Speaker 1: there is really no other explanation here. It's also part

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Speaker 1: of why, and we're about to talk about more of

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01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: the political dynamics that are unfolding why the Biden administration

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01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: has found it necessary to at least pretend like they

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01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: care about palace to being civilians and a lot of

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Speaker 1: their upset that was, you know, leaked to the press.

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Speaker 1: Oh they're having these hard conversations blah blah blah. And

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Speaker 1: we've seen this in multiple reports as well. Is not

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Speaker 1: that there's so much upset about what's going on. It's like,

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Speaker 1: come on, guys, give us a little bit of cover here, Like,

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01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: give us a little bit of a pr you know, whitewash,

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Speaker 1: so we can at least say with a straight face

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Speaker 1: that you're not, you know, using drones to massacre people

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Speaker 1: as they're just walking along, you know, near a destroyed

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Speaker 1: city of communis that you're not collectively punishing the entire

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Speaker 1: population of the Gaza Strip by literally starving them to death.

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Speaker 1: That you're not, you know, celebrating and fetting these protesters

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Speaker 1: who are openly genocidal and trying to block aide, like

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Speaker 1: at least give us a little bit of help. And

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Speaker 1: since the Israeli government has refused even to give them

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Speaker 1: that like bullshit pr cover, then they've had to do

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01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: this like pathetic, you know, impotent hand ringing and pretend

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01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: like they care, while of course, you know, if they

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Speaker 1: really cared, there are many things they could actually do,

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01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: primarily stopping the aid, stopping the weapons sales in order

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Speaker 1: to force a change in the Israeli government position. But

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Speaker 1: they don't actually have anything any interest in doing that

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01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: outside of just rhetorical signaling. So speaking of some of

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Speaker 1: the politics of what's unfolding, we have Israeli defense minister,

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Speaker 1: you have Gallant who's coming to DC this week. And

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Speaker 1: guess what he is bringing with him. Let's put this

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. He is coming with his weapons

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Speaker 1: wish list. He's got a whole like Christmas list of

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Speaker 1: all the things that he wants to get from the

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Speaker 1: US government. He wants them to be expedited. It's according

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Speaker 1: to two Israeli and US officials. Barack Revied reporting this

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Speaker 1: for Axios. Let me read you a little bit of this.

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Speaker 1: Galan is expected to arrive in Washington on Sunday for

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Speaker 1: his first visit to the US since assuming office more

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Speaker 1: than one year ago. He's going to meet with Lloyd Austin,

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Speaker 1: Jake Sullivan, and other senior US officials. Behind the scenes,

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Speaker 1: Glan and Austin spoke on the phone on Wednesday discussed

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Speaker 1: the minister's upcoming trip. The officials added, Galant told Austin

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Speaker 1: he's coming with a list of specific weapons systems request.

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Speaker 1: Senior Israeli officials said the request will not only include

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Speaker 1: short term requests for the Warren Gozza, but also long

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Speaker 1: term ones, including the option to purchase more F thirty

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Speaker 1: five and F fifteen fighter jets. Israel wants to have

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Speaker 1: the supply of the jets and other weapons systems expedited

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Speaker 1: as much as possible. According to this Israeli official, we

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Speaker 1: also have some reporting we can share with you from

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Speaker 1: Tony Blinken's visit to Israel. This happened next week. Allegedly,

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Speaker 1: he warned Netanyahu and his wark cabinet in a meeting

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Speaker 1: Friday that israel security and its place in the world

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Speaker 1: are in peril over the failed Gaza strategy and quote

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Speaker 1: you might not realize it until it's too late. He said,

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Speaker 1: according to this report, that on the current path, Hamas

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Speaker 1: will stay in control of Gaza or there will be anarchy.

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Speaker 1: We'll just create the conditions for more terrorism. According to

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Speaker 1: the source, net Yaho said after Blanken's remarks, we will

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Speaker 1: have our hands full for decades. So that was Blincoln's

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Speaker 1: reported message to bb Again, does it come with any

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Speaker 1: policy change, of course not. It's just, you know, a

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Speaker 1: warning to his friend that maybe they're making mistake. Of course,

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Speaker 1: from Bbe's perspective, not only is a he an ideologue

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Speaker 1: and has an ideological interest in the annihilation that they're

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Speaker 1: committing in Gaza, but also he has a personal political

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Speaker 1: interest in dragging this war out as long as humanly

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Speaker 1: possible so that he can maintain his position on his

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Speaker 1: grip on power, as he's incredibly unpopular within the israel

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Speaker 1: domestic population.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Gallant is actually going to be here today and

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Speaker 2: probably will remain for several days. Apparently, Actually, Crystal, this

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Speaker 2: is from the Times of Israel. They are asking for

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Speaker 2: the options to purchase more F thirty five and F

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Speaker 2: fifteen jets, which is included in those that would require

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Speaker 2: a direct approval both by Congress and by the administration.

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Speaker 3: So let's stay tuned as to that.

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Speaker 2: The secondary thing about this is that the trip was

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Speaker 2: actually at the behest of Pentagon Secretary Lloyd Austin. It's

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Speaker 2: not like he asked to come. We are apparently the

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Speaker 2: ones who invited him. Not exactly sure what any of

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Speaker 2: that all means, but we do know it meant a

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Speaker 2: moment of extraordinary tension allegedly with the Israeli government. For example,

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Speaker 2: the humiliation here is just completely outrageous. I mean, we

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Speaker 2: have Bbe who greets Anthony Blincoln while he's on the

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Speaker 2: ground with an explicit screw you message.

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Speaker 3: We literally have this.

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Speaker 2: We can put it up here on the screen from

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Speaker 2: the Israeli News Cabinet where he says he was speaking

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Speaker 2: in Hebrews, who we have the English translation. I met

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Speaker 2: with Secretary of State Blncoln today. I told him I

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Speaker 2: really appreciate the fact that more than five months later,

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Speaker 2: we've been standing together in the war Maas. I also

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Speaker 2: told him we need to recognize the need to evacuate

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Speaker 2: the civilian population.

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Speaker 3: From the war zones and take care of humanitarian needs.

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Speaker 2: But I also said there is no way to defeat

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Speaker 2: Hamas without going into Rafa and eliminating the rest of

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Speaker 2: the battalions. I told him, I hope we will do

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Speaker 2: it with the support of the USA, but if we

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Speaker 2: have to, we will do it alone.

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Speaker 3: So clearly that's a screw you.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to do it I mean at this

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Speaker 2: point too, the US administration has laid it all out

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Speaker 2: on the table. Blinken has said it, Biden has said it,

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Speaker 2: the Vice President has said it. So if they do it,

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Speaker 2: that is is a explicit as a screw you as

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Speaker 2: it could it possibly exist. Yeah, and will probably still

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Speaker 2: ship on the weapons even if they do. That's a

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Speaker 2: crazy part.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And we have covered previously. H How listen this

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Speaker 1: idea that, oh, well, we couldn't do anything. Israel's his

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Speaker 1: own sovereign country, they can do what they want anyway,

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Speaker 1: That's just not true. If we stop supplying the munitions,

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Speaker 1: they would run out pretty quickly. They would be in

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Speaker 1: a real bind if we didn't continue to expedite these weapons.

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Speaker 1: Sales over one hundred of them since October seventh, So

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Speaker 1: there's a lot they could do other than these you know,

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Speaker 1: rhetorical gestures. And Biden kind of sort of saying, maybe

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Speaker 1: Roth is a red line, but also, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I'm never going to leave Israel, And so Bb feels

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Speaker 1: this actually strengthens him politically, he thinks, because he can

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Speaker 1: be shown as standing up for Israel and standing strong

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Speaker 1: against the US and you know, making his own way, etc.

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Speaker 1: When in reality it's it is just completely humiliating and

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Speaker 1: impotent from the USI. And this was not the only

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Speaker 1: humiliation of the Biden administration. While Blinken was in the region,

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Speaker 1: GOODD put this up on the screen. So Israel announcing

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Speaker 1: the largest West Bank land seizure since nineteen ninety three

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Speaker 1: during Blencoln's visit. So Smotrich, who is one of the

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Speaker 1: most extreme members of the government at this point, he's

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Speaker 1: actually in charge of this settlement policy, and he announced

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Speaker 1: the seizure.

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Speaker 4: The illegal seizure.

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Speaker 1: I should add of ten square kilometers that's about three

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Speaker 1: point eight square miles of Palestinian territory in the West

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Speaker 1: Bank on Friday. As I mentioned before, that's the single

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Speaker 1: largest land seizure since the nineteen ninety three Oslo Accords.

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Speaker 1: That's according to Peace Now, a settlement watchdog group.

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Speaker 4: Here is his quote.

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Speaker 1: While there are those in Israel in the world who

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Speaker 1: seek to undermine.

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Speaker 4: Our right over the Judea.

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Speaker 1: And Samaria area, that's the West Bank and the country

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Speaker 1: in general, Smotritz said, we are promoting settlement through hard

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Speaker 1: work and in a strategic manner all over the country.

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Speaker 1: They go on to note in this piece that Israeli

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Speaker 1: settlements in the West Bank are considered illegal under an

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Speaker 1: international law. Still, Israel has used land orders like the

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Speaker 1: one issued Friday to gain control over sixteen percent of

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Speaker 1: Palestinine controlled lands in the West Bank.

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Speaker 4: And i've obviously.

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Speaker 1: Again total screw you, totally consistent also with the idea

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Speaker 1: that they want to actually push Palestines out completely, not

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Speaker 1: only of Gaza, but also using these sorts of tools

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Speaker 1: out of the West Bank as well. This is the

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Speaker 1: one area that the Biden administration has been very vocal about. Weirdly,

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Speaker 1: especially in the beginning, they were much less vocal about

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Speaker 1: the atrocities being committed in Gaza, but they felt like,

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Speaker 1: I think they had a stronger hand to play in

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Speaker 1: the West Bank because you couldn't butt Hamas and excuse

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Speaker 1: what was going on there. So that's why you got

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Speaker 1: this policy of sanctions against a few violent quote unquote

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Speaker 1: violent settlers. And I use the quote because you know

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of violence backed up also by the IDF.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing is they wanted to make it

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Speaker 1: again like it's oh, it's just a few bad apples,

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Speaker 1: it's just you know, the far right bbnan Yahoo regime.

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Speaker 1: It's just these few bad apples in terms of the settlers,

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Speaker 1: when it's very clear, you know, the overall settlement policy

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Speaker 1: is a top down policy.

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Speaker 4: It is backed by this government.

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Speaker 1: It's been backed by every Israeli government for decades and decades.

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Speaker 1: So to do this and throw this in their face

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Speaker 1: while Blincoln is there on the ground is just astonishingly

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Speaker 1: brazen and humiliating.

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Speaker 2: Well, the reason it's crazy, look in another world pre

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Speaker 2: October seventh or any of that.

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Speaker 3: This would be massive news. And this is like world

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Speaker 3: changing news since.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety three because it would have invited major pushback

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Speaker 2: from the Jordanians, with the Egyptians. It obviously would have

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Speaker 2: been a UN resolution that would have had, you know,

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Speaker 2: been remounted in response, because you know, since nineteen ninety three,

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Speaker 2: it's been over thirty years, and this is a complete

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Speaker 2: destruction of any post Oslo and post Camp David Accords

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Speaker 2: theory and thesis and policy set forth by the US.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying they haven't violated it since then in

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Speaker 2: terms of settlement expansion, but to have the largest one

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Speaker 2: to take place at this time is so explicit and different,

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Speaker 2: and in another life would have invited a totally different

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Speaker 2: reaction from the US political administration. Also marks the failure

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Speaker 2: of the current Biden policy, the idea of the bear hug,

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Speaker 2: which would constrain whereas opposed, what's really happened is really

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Speaker 2: unleashed a whole new set of factors.

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Speaker 3: This may actually be one of the most most significant

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Speaker 3: things that.

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Speaker 2: Has happened in the entire war, and it is not

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Speaker 2: actually getting it's due because it shows an explicit linkage

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Speaker 2: of the war to the expansion policy in West Bank,

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Speaker 2: which could pressage what's going to happen in Kasa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's absolutely right. And so what is

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Speaker 1: the response from the US government while they had this,

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Speaker 1: They had to pass this spending this budget bill. And

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Speaker 1: let's take a look at some of the provisions of

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Speaker 1: this bill that now was passed by Congress and been

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Speaker 1: signed by Joe Biden. Well, number one, it cuts unrefunding

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Speaker 1: through next year, so through twenty twenty five. UNRA being

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Speaker 1: the number one aid organization on the ground in Gaza,

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Speaker 1: So cutting unrefunding means you are helping to facilitate the

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Speaker 1: policy of mass starvation as a weapon of war.

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Speaker 4: So we did that.

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Speaker 1: We made sure to send Israel another three point eight

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Speaker 1: billion dollars. And this is in some ways the most galling.

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Speaker 1: It limits aid to the Palestinian authority if the Palestinians

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Speaker 1: initiate or support an international criminal court investigation against Israel.

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Speaker 4: For human rights crimes.

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Speaker 1: So even as we have overwhelming evidence that Israel is

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Speaker 1: committing war crimes, they're not punished for actually committing war crimes.

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Speaker 1: We ship them there three point eight billion, no problem.

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Speaker 1: We do their bidding by cutting funding to UNRA, something

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Speaker 1: that even you know, based which was based just to remember,

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Speaker 1: it was based on these allegations that were completely evidence free,

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Speaker 1: that a small number of UNRUN employees were involved. On

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Speaker 1: October seventh, by the way, those employees have already been fired.

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Speaker 1: And we also learned that some of the quote unquote

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Speaker 1: confessions of these crimes were coerced by torture. So some

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Speaker 1: of our allies went back and said, all right, there's

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Speaker 1: nothing here. We've got to restore funding to UNRUN, not us.

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Speaker 1: We're going to codify it and guarantee that UNRA remains

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Speaker 1: unfunded at least through next year.

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Speaker 4: So you've got.

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Speaker 1: That, and then you also say, and hey, by the way, Palestinians.

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Speaker 1: If you've got an issue with these war crimes that

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Speaker 1: are being committed and you have any ideas about taking

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Speaker 1: this to the International Criminal Court for investigation, We're going

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Speaker 1: to cut your funding further. It's just gross and disgusting

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Speaker 1: and also exposes the lie of the idea that the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration is actually concerned about what's unfolding and actually

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Speaker 1: really wants to change course. Because these policies, these provisions

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Speaker 1: in this bill could not possibly be more in line

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Speaker 1: with exactly what bb net Nyahu would dictate to us

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Speaker 1: as him wanting to see in terms of priorities from

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Speaker 1: our government. So I think you know, the words are

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Speaker 1: one thing, the rhetoric is one thing, but you can

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Speaker 1: see from the actions where the policy actually is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then if you want final confirmation about who

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Speaker 2: we're run by, here is a great question at the

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Speaker 2: Pentagon where they're like asking basic questions. So how is

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Speaker 2: this aid peer thing? How is that going to work? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they have no idea. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 6: And then on the peer the Benevitez set sail today.

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Speaker 14: So we've got the peer elements moving forward.

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Speaker 6: You've got the sailors and soldiers are starting to move forward. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: what is what's going to be the Pentagon's role in

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Speaker 6: kind of that final mile?

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Speaker 14: Are you letting contracts for contractors.

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Speaker 6: To then deliver that aid into Gaza?

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Speaker 14: What you know, what's kind of the final piece looking like.

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Speaker 15: So that's still something that's being worked out right now.

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Speaker 15: And in terms of the distribution, that's not something that

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Speaker 15: the US military will be involved in. We are, you know,

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Speaker 15: the logistics setting up coordinating the movement of the humanitarian

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Speaker 15: aid from either the floating peer or to that floating causeway.

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Speaker 15: But that's something that in terms of how the distribution

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Speaker 15: of aid is going to happen once it gets into Gaza,

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Speaker 15: that's not something that you know, we're handling.

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Speaker 3: What is this like gobbledygook? I don't have that for

1516
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 3: you right now.

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01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 2: Well you probably should, you know, at some point, how's

1518
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 2: this going to work? Are these rarely screening it? How's

1519
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: the distribution of aid actually happening, where's it coming from?

1520
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 2: How much it's just this is this is why this

1521
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 2: is such a boondoggle, an idiot plan when we have

1522
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 2: all the only thing standing from the aid right now

1523
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 2: or those protesters that the government is allowing why does

1524
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 2: it make any sense to be pursuing any of this well.

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01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 1: And the government itself through through their policies, and I

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01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: mean seems like kind of a critical detail of Okay,

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01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: the aid has arrived at the port, what now, because

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01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 1: we know the problem is not that there isn't sufficient

1529
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: aid available. The problem is not that there aren't sufficient

1530
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:11,480
Speaker 1: crossings or you know it inlets into the Gaza strip available.

1531
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: The problem is what the Israeli government is doing prohibiting

1532
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,759
Speaker 1: this aid from coming in and getting where it needs

1533
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: to go, and not to mention and this is you know,

1534
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: one of the other things that unfolded. You had another

1535
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 1: flower massacre, killing starving Palestinians who were trying to go

1536
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 1: and secure this aid for themselves and their families.

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01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 4: So obviously those.

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01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 1: Are some key questions to resolve if you think this

1539
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 1: freaking stupid port, which apparently was Bbe's idea to begin with,

1540
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: if you think that this is going to help the

1541
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: aid situation whatsoever, and by the way, of course, it's

1542
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 1: going to take a while for this thing to be

1543
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: built and require a lot of our money and put

1544
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 1: our service members at risk. Remember when Lloyd Austin got

1545
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: asked about whether there was a risk to our service members.

1546
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, they're you know, and they didn't

1547
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 1: have any plans for how to mitigate that risk either,

1548
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 1: or any guarantees that they're not going to be in

1549
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 1: harms right way, because of course, how could you get

1550
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 1: those guarantees when you're bringing them so close to an

1551
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: active war zone and doing everything right up to the

1552
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 1: line of actually putting boots on the ground. You'll also

1553
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: recall that BB said himself that he thinks it's a

1554
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: good idea if that port is used to ship Palestinians

1555
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:25,680
Speaker 1: out of the Gaza Strip and facilitate his and his governments,

1556
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: you know, ultimate desires, fondest desires over many years to

1557
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: complete the ethnic cleansing of the Gaza Strip. So that's

1558
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: what we're really aiding a bet in a betting here.

1559
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,480
Speaker 1: And I think that's why those comments are so significant,

1560
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: because they really reveal that it's number one just pr

1561
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 1: and that they have not they actually have no plan

1562
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 1: in place to make sure that the aid gets where

1563
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 1: it needs to go and that it actually alleviates this crisis.

1564
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 1: Not to mention that there were people starving right now

1565
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 1: today and this doesn't come close to solving any of

1566
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 1: the issues that have you know, in any of the

1567
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: problems that have been put up by the Israeli government

1568
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: that has led to the situation. Yeah, very sad, all right, Sacer,

1569
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: what are you looking at?

1570
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 3: Well?

1571
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 2: One of the memes that's arisen around me is that

1572
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 2: I care about dress code just for the sake of it.

1573
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 2: I know it's funny to go after politicians for dress

1574
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 2: and badly, but at its core, the reason that I

1575
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 2: do it is because I believe in this maxim the

1576
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 2: job of those in public service is to serve. No,

1577
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 2: a suit is not the most comfortable garment. The point

1578
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 2: is that those in positions of power, as we all

1579
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 2: do when we attend a wedding, you've done a garment

1580
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 2: as a sign of respect for those that we appear before.

1581
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 2: Increasingly people in so called public service don't really believe

1582
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:37,759
Speaker 2: in the service part at all. They've donned the garments

1583
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 2: of the upper middle class elite, who are capable of

1584
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 2: working from anywhere and comfort. They insist on rules in

1585
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 2: place that allow them to openly trade stocks while remaining

1586
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 2: privy to incredibly sensitive and private information. And now they

1587
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 2: increasingly don't even really believe in doing even the smallest.

1588
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:52,679
Speaker 3: Part of their job at all.

1589
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 2: The slow death of Congress has not just been about

1590
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 2: its ability to get things done, but it's transformation into

1591
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 2: a body of open narcissism who view the office not

1592
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 2: as a place to do anything, but except to use

1593
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 2: their perch in public service to attain wealth and power

1594
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 2: after they serve. This is especially the case in recent

1595
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 2: days with the news of several high profile retirements in

1596
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,640
Speaker 2: the House GOP caucus. This monologue was inspired by Congressman

1597
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 2: Mike Gallagher. He's a man I've met, I've even interviewed him,

1598
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 2: respecting him at one point, but recently he announced that

1599
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 2: he was retiring from Congress. I have no problem with that.

1600
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 2: The news, though, that came next, is what set me off.

1601
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,640
Speaker 2: Gallagher announced not only was he retiring from Congress and

1602
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 2: would not seek another term, but that he was abruptly

1603
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 2: resigning the office at the end of April. This is

1604
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 2: golling for two reasons. One, if Gallagher has any sense

1605
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 2: of duty to his party. The House GOP now has

1606
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 2: just a majority of two hundred and seventeen votes in Congress,

1607
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 2: meaning that the Marjorie Taylor Greens of the world, and

1608
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 2: Matt Gates's and the Freedom Caucus members who all want

1609
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 2: to cause trouble have even more power. It also means

1610
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 2: that the sheer business of doing the most basic minimums

1611
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 2: of passing bills just got so much harder for the

1612
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 2: House GOP. But two is that Gallagher not decided not

1613
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 2: just to resign for no reason and to leave his

1614
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 2: tom early. More so, it appears at his resignation date

1615
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 2: is specifically designed so that no special election can be

1616
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 2: held because it falls after the deadline, meaning his six

1617
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 2: hundred thousand constituents will not have anyone in Congress to

1618
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 2: do their basic bidding from April to November. But it

1619
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 2: gets even worse when you find out why he's leaving

1620
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 2: his constituents high and dry. It's not just that he's quitting,

1621
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 2: but puck News reports that Gallagher appears to be resigning

1622
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,600
Speaker 2: to take a high paying job at Pallantier, one of

1623
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 2: the largest defense contracting firms in the US. It's not

1624
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 2: a surprise. Gallagher was a leading defense hocke in Congress.

1625
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 2: I had serious disagreements with him, for example on Ukraine.

1626
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 2: But it is his sheer brazenness going Congress where you

1627
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 2: were elected to do a job, you then resign early

1628
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 2: because the vibes are bad, and then you take a

1629
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 2: job where we can easily imagine him getting paid what

1630
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 2: at least a million bucks a year. Here's the thing

1631
01:19:58,320 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 2: I get it. I wouldn't want to be in Congress

1632
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,799
Speaker 2: either with some of these jackasses. But I'm a private citizen.

1633
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 2: I have a YouTube show. I have more of a

1634
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 2: sense of duty to the people who pay for the

1635
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 2: show than it seems like Mike Gallagher. For me, it's simple,

1636
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 2: it's a contract. Unless I'm very sick or there's a

1637
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 2: personal emergency, I show up to do the show because

1638
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 2: that's what people pay harder and money for. Is it

1639
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 2: so much to ask that same attitude for people who

1640
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 2: represent us in Congress and who pass our loss that

1641
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 2: they feel even remotely the same.

1642
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,759
Speaker 3: Apparently it is too much to ask. It's not just Gallagher.

1643
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 2: Congressman Ken Buck, another man who's been on the show

1644
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 2: in the past, abruptly resigning from Congress after announcing he

1645
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 2: won't seek another term. At least he did so when

1646
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,879
Speaker 2: they could still have a special election. By all accounts,

1647
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 2: there's no reason that he needed to quit. He just

1648
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 2: decided to, Except maybe the reporting that he set to

1649
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 2: become a CNN and contributor.

1650
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 3: He denied it.

1651
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 2: We'll see how it ends up. Kevin McCarthy. He also

1652
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 2: resigned late last year, at the end of twenty twenty three.

1653
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 2: He gave no reason. Yeah, I get it. He got

1654
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 2: booted from his speakership. That's embarrassing. That doesn't mean you

1655
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 2: can't still do and stay the basic your job, just

1656
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:56,520
Speaker 2: constituent services.

1657
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 3: He's a powerful man, not since.

1658
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 2: Though he's left's been showing up on Capitol Hill. He's

1659
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 2: here in Washington right now, he's doing speeches all over TV.

1660
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 2: In other words, he resigned his job so he could

1661
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,879
Speaker 2: actually do what he wanted to do, all the public profile,

1662
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 2: without any of the annoying serving the people part. In

1663
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 2: every case, we have people who are putting themselves and

1664
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 2: their preferences first first above the party that they supposedly

1665
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 2: care about, who have to run the house now, above

1666
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 2: the people who elected them to serve. That is how

1667
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 2: they think about the job. It's just a way station

1668
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 2: on the way to wealth and power. When things get boring,

1669
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 2: it's wrong and we shouldn't accept this as normal. Some

1670
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 2: people might even say it's always been this way, and

1671
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 2: I think it has to some degree, but now it

1672
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 2: is so out in the open. They just want the paychecks,

1673
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 2: the power, the prestige, the fame.

1674
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 3: That's it.

1675
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 2: They don't care at all about serving you. Even the

1676
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:50,679
Speaker 2: pretense doesn't matter anymore. We should hear them loud and clear,

1677
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 2: remember that too the next time that we cast our votes.

1678
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 3: How crazy is this?

1679
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 1: This man is resigned, And if you want to hear

1680
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 1: my reaction to Sagre's monologue, become a premium subscriber today

1681
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 1: at Breakingpoints dot com. Some big news on the Department

1682
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 1: of Justice last week where Attorney General Merrick Garland announced

1683
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 1: a antitrust lawsuit against Apple. Let's take a listen to

1684
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of what he had to say.

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01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 16: The Supreme Court defines monopoly power as quote, the power

1686
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 16: to control prices or exclude competition, a set out in

1687
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 16: our complaint. Apple has that power in the smartphone market. Now,

1688
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 16: having monopoly power does not itself violate the antitrust laws,

1689
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 16: but it does when a firm acquires or maintains monopoly power,

1690
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:38,919
Speaker 16: not because it has a superior product or superior business acumen,

1691
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 16: but by engaging in exclusionary conduct, as set out in

1692
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 16: our complaint, Apple has maintained its power not because of

1693
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 16: its superiority, because of its unlawful exclusionary behavior.

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01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 1: So lucky for us, we have literally the perfect person

1695
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: to break down both what the suit means and the

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01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 1: rationale behind it. At Stoller's, director of research at the

1697
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:05,560
Speaker 1: American Economic Liberties Project, author of a fantastic book called Goliath,

1698
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: and also he writes at the substack big which let's

1699
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 1: go and put your piece.

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01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 4: Up on the screen.

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01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: Here, you guys can check this out, which has in

1702
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: depth breakdown of what is going on with this Apple

1703
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 1: anti trust suit and why you say it matters. Apple

1704
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 1: just got slapped with a major anti trust suit, you write,

1705
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 1: alleging a pattern of anti competitive behavior across all its

1706
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 1: product lines, and it lost one hundred and fourteen billion

1707
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 1: dollars in market cap in one day as a result.

1708
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 4: Great to see you, my friend.

1709
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:29,600
Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having to see you.

1710
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 8: Man.

1711
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 1: So what is the core of the argument here against Apple?

1712
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 1: Because as you lay out and then your piece, there

1713
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 1: are a number of people who are like, why are

1714
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 1: you picking on Apple? People actually like their products, right

1715
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 1: when there are a lot of other industries that you

1716
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 1: could be going after.

1717
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 17: Yeah, and I love Apple products use that they're great,

1718
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 17: they work, they're seamless, So it's and I'm also believe

1719
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 17: in taking on monopoly. So it's kind of weird, right

1720
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 17: because you're like, well, why would you take on a

1721
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 17: monopoly of this company that has these great products. Well,

1722
01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 17: the answer is because they they are thwarting innovation and

1723
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 17: competition in the market. So things could be even better

1724
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 17: if they didn't do things like restrict rivals from coming

1725
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 17: into and coming to the markets and building products that

1726
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 17: might make it easier to switch from an iPhone. So

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Speaker 17: just the simplest way to tell the story is that

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01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:22,759
Speaker 17: in China, where they allow these things called super apps,

1729
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 17: things like we Chat, where you can do a whole

1730
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 17: bunch of stuff on we Chat, like you can pay

1731
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 17: for stuff, you can talk to other people, you can

1732
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 17: do lots of business. You can't do that here on

1733
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 17: the iPhone because Apple doesn't allow super apps. But in China,

1734
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 17: what it means is that the underlying phone system has

1735
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 17: been commodified and it's easier to switch from an iPhone

1736
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 17: fruitive phone. So in the US, when you buy a

1737
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 17: new phone, and basically the upgrade market is really the

1738
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 17: only market because everybody has a smartphone at this point,

1739
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 17: except if you're really young. About ninety to ninety eight

1740
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 17: percent of people with an iPhone go to a new iPhone.

1741
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 17: In China it's about fifty percent. Because it's much easier

1742
01:24:58,200 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 17: to switch. And so the heart of the case is

1743
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 17: is that Apple has made it much, much, much harder

1744
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 17: than it should be to switch.

1745
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 11: The result is people can't switch.

1746
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 17: In China, they have to discount, they have to entice customers,

1747
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:12,759
Speaker 17: and in the US they don't.

1748
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:13,600
Speaker 8: Right, that's the.

1749
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 3: Heart of the case. That's a good point.

1750
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 2: I hadn't thought about it, and they have a much

1751
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 2: more robust competition there because they not just have Sam,

1752
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 2: they have Huaweih and all this stuff. We don't have

1753
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 2: that for a variety of reasons. Right, The whole point

1754
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 2: is that it does make it easier to switch. One

1755
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 2: of the things that a lot of people are paying

1756
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 2: attention to, or some of the specific complaints, specifically the

1757
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 2: green bubbles. So lay out some of the things in

1758
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,679
Speaker 2: the complaint that people can look to the real world

1759
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 2: application of how Apple is supposedly acting as a monopoly.

1760
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 17: The heart of the complaint is the smartphone, right, and

1761
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 17: it's a pattern of conduct, a pattern of saying you're

1762
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 17: making it harder to switch from the smartphone, from the

1763
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 17: Apple smartphone to rivals, and that actually degrades the quality

1764
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,600
Speaker 17: of the smartphone, because, as I noted, you know, a

1765
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 17: messaging app on the smartphone that can do less than

1766
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 17: a messaging app that can do more makes the smartphone worse.

1767
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 17: And Apple isn't intentionally doing that. But what I've also

1768
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 17: found really interesting about the complaint is that it's not

1769
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 17: just an allegation about the smartphone itself. The smartphone is

1770
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 17: the heart of it, but it's about the Apple ecosystem.

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01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 3: Right.

1772
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 17: So there's a part in the complaint where Steve Jobs

1773
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:18,799
Speaker 17: talks about the importance of the Apple, of the Apple

1774
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 17: ecosystem stickiness, right, and so it.

1775
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 11: Goes to the top.

1776
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:22,640
Speaker 8: Right.

1777
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 17: Steve Jobs was very clear that he is it wants

1778
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 17: to maintain market power, he doesn't want people to switch,

1779
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 17: and they want to erect artificial switching costs. But what

1780
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 17: they're also doing is they're trying to extend the Apple

1781
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 17: ecosystem into places you wouldn't expect, like banking. Right, So

1782
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:43,759
Speaker 17: the tap to pay feature, the way that that Apple

1783
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 17: is actually they're actually starting to charge banks junk fees

1784
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 17: for using the tap to pay feature, and banks can't

1785
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 17: create their own app to use that chip. They can

1786
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 17: you know elsewhere, but they can't do it here. But

1787
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 17: they're also trying to do it. And this is the

1788
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 17: most interesting thing in cars, right. So you know when

1789
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 17: you when you buy a car now it has to

1790
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 17: have access to CarPlay, right, which is the Apple software

1791
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 17: system for cars. You put your iPhone in the car

1792
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 17: and it shows you know, maps and the different you

1793
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 17: know apps and things like that that you that you

1794
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 17: need to shows your iPhone on the screen. And car

1795
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 17: makers have to have CarPlay in their in their car

1796
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 17: or else a certain number of customers just won't buy

1797
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 17: the car. So you must have if you're an automaker. Well,

1798
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 17: what Apple has told car makers next time is that

1799
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 17: the next version of CarPlay is going to include not

1800
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 17: just the stuff it has now, but also all the

1801
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:35,799
Speaker 17: fuel gauges and every part of the car's operating system

1802
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 17: that you see has to be run by Apple or

1803
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 17: else you can't get car Play, right, so you have

1804
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:42,719
Speaker 17: to put car Play in there.

1805
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 11: But they're going to tie all this other stuff.

1806
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 17: So Apple is literally going to take over is trying

1807
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 17: to take over the user experience for every automobile manufacturer now,

1808
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 17: and there is you know, with the exception of people

1809
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 17: who are going to use the Google Android.

1810
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 11: Phone and they're probably going to do the same thing.

1811
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 17: So there's this there's this extent of the Apple ecosystem

1812
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 17: into kind of as many parts of our experience as possible.

1813
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 17: And I love Apple, we all use Apple products, but

1814
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 17: the truth is there's only so many things that one

1815
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:17,480
Speaker 17: company can do well, and you don't want a dictator

1816
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 17: over all parts of the economy. And that's what Apple

1817
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 17: is really trying to go for.

1818
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, especially when you get in the business not

1819
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 1: of the innovating great new products, but innovating new ways

1820
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:30,719
Speaker 1: to basically toward the market. And one of the things

1821
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 1: you argue is that Apple isn't exactly the pioneering innovative

1822
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: company of yours. They've gone in the direction of Boeing

1823
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 1: as you point out, and other company. I mean, this

1824
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 1: is a major trend in corporate America where it's more

1825
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 1: about financialization, more about manipulating the market than it is

1826
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 1: actually building incredible products that people are going to love.

1827
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 11: That's one hundred percent right.

1828
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 17: And one of the things that complain talked about is

1829
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:55,719
Speaker 17: how internally they have these discussions about withholding better features

1830
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 17: on the on the iPhone because they're like the customers

1831
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 17: don't need them and they're expense But they also do

1832
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 17: twice as much stock buybacks as they do R and

1833
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 17: D at this point. So I would love to see

1834
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 17: like a Think Different commercial and that includes like you know,

1835
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 17: Einstein and Gandhi and then the guy that like that

1836
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 17: was the engineer for the green bubble, right with like

1837
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 17: the green you know, and like the video with nineteen

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01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 17: ninety six resolution, and it's like think Different, Right, That's

1839
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 17: what Apple is doing, not everywhere, Like the vision pro

1840
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:27,679
Speaker 17: is amazing, right, and there are you know, their silicon

1841
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:32,759
Speaker 17: chips are great, but gradually you can see that power corrupts,

1842
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 17: and power has corrupted Apple, and it's going to affect

1843
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:35,720
Speaker 17: the whole thing.

1844
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:36,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a great book.

1845
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:38,640
Speaker 2: I think it's called After Steve or something like that,

1846
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:40,799
Speaker 2: and that a New York Times reporter. I highly recommend

1847
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 2: it because I love Apple too. Part of the reason

1848
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 2: I was excited by Vision pros like they finally did something.

1849
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 2: It's been a decade, right, they actually crazy something interesting.

1850
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 2: But what the book details is that the vast majority

1851
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 2: of their profit comes from keeping people inside of the

1852
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 2: ecosystem and charging fees. So I know a lot of

1853
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 2: app developers in particular have been excited about this, and

1854
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 2: I know you've tracked some of this in the past.

1855
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 2: Maybe break some of that down because as I understand

1856
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 2: that those fees, according to the app developers and some

1857
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:08,440
Speaker 2: of the other people trying to build on the Apple platform,

1858
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 2: are just so prohibitive to be able to do business.

1859
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 17: Yeah, So there's two things with the app store. One

1860
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 17: is it the ability to charge that thirty percent. So

1861
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 17: one definition of monopoly, and this is what Mark Carland

1862
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 17: lays out, is the ability to control prices. So if

1863
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 17: Apple can just set the price at thirty percent and

1864
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 17: people still have to pay it, or they can raise

1865
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 17: it or lower it, which they can do, that is

1866
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 17: evidence of monopoly power. You can also do market shares, right,

1867
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 17: but there's lots of ways, like what is a monopoly

1868
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 17: or one way to understand do you have monopoly powers?

1869
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 17: If I can raise prices and you have no choice

1870
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 17: but to take it, that's monopoly power, right.

1871
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 11: So the ability to charge.

1872
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 17: That amount of money in an app store is evidence

1873
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 17: of monopoly power, and people who make apps are like,

1874
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 17: you know, oh, this is terrible, right because this is

1875
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 17: my business and they're taking a thirty percent tax. Moreover,

1876
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 17: if you actually make an app and it's just sort

1877
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 17: of part of a whole system, right, Like let's say

1878
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 17: you run a tutoring service, and like you have an

1879
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 17: online tutoring service or a hybrid tutoring service, and some

1880
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 17: of it is on an app. Apple often will say,

1881
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 17: we don't care that you run a tutoring service that's

1882
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 17: mostly offline. We're going to take thirty percent of it. Right,

1883
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 17: So they're taxing increasingly large parts of the economy because

1884
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 17: more and more stuff needs an app. But the other

1885
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 17: part is that Apple actually can just exclude any app

1886
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 17: that has a service that they think might compete with

1887
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 17: part of the Apple ecosystem or make it easier to

1888
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 17: switch off the Apple ecosystem. So this is you know,

1889
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 17: this is the I message thing, but you know there

1890
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 17: are lots of there are lots of examples of that,

1891
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:40,799
Speaker 17: and so sort of to take a slightly different example,

1892
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 17: other than China, most of the rest of the world,

1893
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 17: the market share that Apple the smartphone the iPhone has

1894
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 17: is lower than it is in the US. One of

1895
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 17: the reasons is because the US is the is basically

1896
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 17: the only country that uses the SMS protocol. Right everywhere

1897
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:59,640
Speaker 17: else telecom networks charge they charge for a texting. We

1898
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 17: don't arch for texting. So people use that, they just

1899
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:04,799
Speaker 17: do it over the telecom networks. But they use WhatsApp

1900
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 17: in other places. And so it's not a big as

1901
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 17: big a deal to switch from an iPhone to a

1902
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:11,679
Speaker 17: different kind of phone. So Apple, the switching barrios aren't

1903
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 17: as high elsewhere in the world.

1904
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 11: And so that's that's kind of what you're seeing. And

1905
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:16,639
Speaker 11: that's the heart of the case.

1906
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:21,679
Speaker 1: How does this fit into the broader doj antitrust agenda?

1907
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:23,799
Speaker 11: It's a great question.

1908
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 17: So, so this is the fourth suit against a trillion

1909
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 17: dollar plus corporation Trump brought to Biden has brought for

1910
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 17: But it also is part of a broader revolution in

1911
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 17: anti monopoly policy making. So it's not just big tech, right.

1912
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 17: I think most people would say, okay, well, if you

1913
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:44,760
Speaker 17: make the iPhone like slightly better, okay, cool, but that's

1914
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 17: not that big a deal. Right, what about meat prices?

1915
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 17: What about you know, airlines, what about rent all of

1916
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 17: these you know, bread and butter stuff, and I think

1917
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:55,680
Speaker 17: one of the one of the things that's happening is

1918
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 17: people don't pay. There isn't as much reporting on what

1919
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:01,679
Speaker 17: else the DOJ is doing, the anti trust agencies are doing,

1920
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:03,799
Speaker 17: but they are taking on the bread and butter stuff.

1921
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 11: So there is a big suit.

1922
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:09,640
Speaker 17: Against meat packing the price fixing there. There is a

1923
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:14,759
Speaker 17: big suit against big landlords for price fixing. The dj

1924
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 17: is investigating ticket Master. They'll probably bring a case a

1925
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 17: bunch of big inhaler companies. Right, they just cut prices

1926
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 17: inhalers from a couple hundred dollars to thirty five dollars

1927
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 17: in response to FTC action, And so you see kind

1928
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:33,759
Speaker 17: of like across the board, competition policy is working.

1929
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 11: Now.

1930
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 17: I don't want to this isn't like a broad I mean,

1931
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 17: the Bide administration is doing great work on competition policy.

1932
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:42,599
Speaker 17: But competition policy is only part of the government. There's

1933
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 17: the rest of the government. And I think that there's

1934
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 17: a lot of work that they could be doing there

1935
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 17: that would be much better. But in terms of just

1936
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 17: the anti trust stuff, there is a lot of meat

1937
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:53,600
Speaker 17: and potatoes and that's revolutionary as well. It's just the

1938
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:55,639
Speaker 17: big tech stuff those are the kind of the pay

1939
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:57,839
Speaker 17: setters of the economy. And if you're in the boardroom

1940
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 17: of any company, it doesn't matter if it's waste management

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Speaker 17: or food or tech. You're looking at Apple and Google

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Speaker 17: and Amazon and saying, how can I be more like them?

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Speaker 17: Because they're the most profitable, they're the biggest And so

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Speaker 17: by taking on the pay setters, you're sending a message.

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Speaker 11: To corporate America.

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Speaker 3: That's actually a fantastic point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the business process is all taking this in stride

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Speaker 1: very calmly.

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Speaker 11: They're like, oh, this makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 17: Let's let's analyze this in good faith.

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Speaker 4: There is.

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Speaker 17: Especially Jim Jim Kramer, he's the the clown of the

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Speaker 17: clown of capital.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's known for his cool head yeah, and incredible

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Speaker 1: insights into the market.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, and his calm demeanor. That's the other thing is

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Speaker 11: calmed emotional stability.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: I mean, there's there's a you know, CNBC is very

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Speaker 17: obviously they're very upset. And it's because monopolization is has

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Speaker 17: been sort of the way that that people do business

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Speaker 17: since the eighties almost and it's it's where modern Silicon

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Speaker 17: Valley was born. I mean, Silicon Valley's name so Valley

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Speaker 17: because it was semiconductors. They moved off of that. Now

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Speaker 17: they just you know, they make software essentially, and monopolization

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Speaker 17: and IP to control markets. And that's just people are

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Speaker 17: offended in that world because they're like, but this is

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Speaker 17: how business is done. This is what we do, and

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Speaker 17: you're saying we can't do that anymore. I mean at

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Speaker 17: this point, like bankers don't really think that their business

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Speaker 17: is lending money. They think their business is finding other

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Speaker 17: banks to merge with, right, And they're like, why are

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Speaker 17: you interfering with business? And it's like, that's not what

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Speaker 17: business is, right. So Apple, you know, the business of

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Speaker 17: a company like Apple should be to innovate, to improve,

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Speaker 17: and to compete on the merits with rivals. But they

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Speaker 17: think of their business as finding ways of excluding rivals

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Speaker 17: using the existing market power that they have. They're very offended.

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Speaker 17: Wall Street's very offended. There's obviously a financial element to it.

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Speaker 17: Wall Street bonuses are down, although big tech profits are not.

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Speaker 17: But there's their self interest here. But I think it's

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Speaker 17: a lot of it is just ego. They're like, how

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Speaker 17: dare our elected officials actually do something about market structure?

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Speaker 2: That's really well said I really appreciated this. We're going

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Speaker 2: to put a link to the substack in the description.

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Speaker 2: We always appreciate your analysis. Man, Thank you, Hey, thanks

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Speaker 2: for having me, Matt. We'll see you guys later