WEBVTT - Harry Litman & Amanda Litman 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:12.520 today's best minds. And how's GOP unveils a plan to 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.840 raise the debt limit by four trillion dollars. You'll remember 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:20.680 that's the party that pretends to care about financial responsibility. 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:23.480 We have such a great show for you today, talking 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:27.720 Fed's own Harry Lippman stops by to talk about how 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:32.560 Trump's corruption in broad daylight can be litigated in the courts. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:36.320 Then we'll talk to Run for Something's own Amanda Lippman 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:39.040 about her new book, When We're in Charge, the Next 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.040 Generation's Guide to Leadership. But first the news. 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:46.120 So Molly, Jake Tapper, and Alex Thompson have this book. 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:49.239 Everybody's touting is going to be all the rage of 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:53.159 gossip through the whole early summer about how President Biden 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:55.480 had no idea where he was and that he's out 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.760 to watch. So the first excerpt from it has come 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.800 out and it's not feeling that exciting. Right. 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.839 Look, the right really wants there to be a conspiracy here, 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:10.760 that there was some kind of setup, and the reality is, 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.280 and we've talked about this on podcasts before, and we're 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:14.920 going to talk about it again, and we may end 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.160 up talking about it again and again and again. Getting 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:21.319 old is not a conspiracy being an old guy. Again. 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:25.480 When you read John Allen and Amy's book about Biden's election, 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:29.000 you see that he had gone to Europe twice and 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:31.479 then he had come and done this debate and had 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:35.280 been a disaster. This is the old guy. Being old 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:37.720 is not a conspiracy. And I'm going to point to 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:40.880 a man called Donald Trump, who is now the oldest 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:46.720 president ever, who twice today wandered off after giving a talk. Right, 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.920 Trump gave a little talk and then forgot to sign 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.160 the executive order he was going to sign, so they 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:55.600 had to bring him back. And there was another time 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:59.600 when he did something similar to too old to hold elected office. 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:03.360 Now is it a conspiracy? No? Is it a conspiracy 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:08.760 in the fact that American politics is Democrats are too 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:11.280 polite and they let people stay too long, and they 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.200 don't I mean, everything I've read so far, and i 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.760 haven't read the book, but I've just read excerpts of 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.680 it shows people who are too polite to tell Biden 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.200 the truth. Is that a conspiracy? It's a conspiracy in 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:26.040 the fact that it is just infuriating to me, Right, 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:29.959 I find that infuriating. But what the right desperately wants 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.080 is some kind of cabal that kept Biden in charge 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.880 as opposed to a more likely scenario. And again I 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.280 wasn't there, so I don't really know, but my guess 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:42.840 is a more likely scenario of polite people trying not 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:47.280 to upset someone, which in itself is infuriating. Right. I 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:51.120 almost would rather have a secret cabal of people trying 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.480 to keep them in power, because at least it would 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:57.000 show a kind of intentionality which I do not think 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:00.880 is there. I just want you to realize this story 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.120 is being used by the Right as a way of 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:08.880 maligning Democrats, and I just think that should be something 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.040 you think about when you think about this story, is 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.880 what is the purpose of this, Why is this out there? 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.120 And what is the play? And that I think is 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.520 something that you should think about very strongly when you 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.920 read this book. And look, I just don't think I 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:28.919 wish the Democratic Party were capable of doing such high 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.960 level operating, because then none of us would be in 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.880 this situation. But they're not, and that's why we're here. 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:40.440 Solid point speaking of not the best strategizing and things 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:45.520 not really going well. Representative shre Thnadar today introduced impeachment 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:46.720 of Trump into the. 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:47.760 House, right. 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:51.760 This is why it is a group that can't shoot straight. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.320 And that's what we're talking about here. So there's no 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.960 numbers to impeach Trump. They don't Democrats don't have the votes. 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:05.560 It is absolutebolutely insane. It's just crazy. Right, This is 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:07.680 what it is. There are are members of the House, 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.160 they want to do something, and they're right to want 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.400 to do something, and we want them to do something. 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:16.480 But since there aren't the votes for impeachment, what will 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.400 happen if you start the clock on this is it's 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.279 just going to fail and it's going to help Trump. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:23.760 And again, talking to Harry Litman, you're going to hear 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.120 this on the podcast. We're talking about this. And I 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:29.400 actually wonder. I have a theory I've concocted which I 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.279 think may actually be right, which is that focus on 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:37.600 the illegality around Trump because that is often more blatant. 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.839 And there's a reason that Rudy Giuliani is in the 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.920 place he is right now and everyone else around Trump. Right, 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:47.640 Michael Cohen went to jail. All of this happened because 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:52.719 the people around Trump are doing similarly illegal things. Anyway, 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.600 the point of this is that this is not the 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:59.640 moment for impeachment proceedings. Moment for impeachment proceedings is, hopefully 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:03.000 when if Democrats win the House, and when and if 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:06.280 Donald Trump does something that is actively impeachable, which I'm 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.839 sure you will, because let's be honest, it's not safe. 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:12.279 Bet if I've ever taken with Yeah. So, in addition 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:16.000 to all this debt raising in the GOP budget, we 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:20.200 also have Medicaid work requirements, which is a cursed phrase 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.400 I hope to never say. But what are you see 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:22.799 in here? 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:26.440 So here's the deal. Republicans need to cut eight hundred 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.800 and eighty billion dollars in Medicaid. And they don't need to. 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.600 They want to. They want to do it why so 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:36.360 that they can keep these tax cuts for very rich people, 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.800 perhaps pass more tax cuts and make it look like 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:43.280 it makes financial sense. It is very hard to cut 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:46.599 eight hundred and eighty billion dollars for Medicaid. Again, do 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:48.800 I think the tax cuts. I think they should let 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.760 the tax cuts expire. I think the tax cuts. I 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:55.640 think it's really disgusting. I think that they should raise 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.600 taxes on very wealthy people. It's just my take. By 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:01.599 the way, my favorite thing. Last week, Donald Trump pretended 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.719 that he wanted to raise taxes on people who make 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.039 over two and a half million dollars a year, a 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:10.880 group that can heartily and absolutely afford to pay more taxes, 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:12.920 and then he was like, no, it would be bad. 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.640 Then Democrats can say, read my lips new to taxes. 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:16.880 No. 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.119 The truth is he can't do it because the people 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.040 who put him in office are like, you're not going 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.240 to fucking raise my taxes. We put you in here 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.919 to not raise our taxes. So look, I think that 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:29.440 when Democrats get back into power, prayer hands, that that happens. 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.520 They must create a bracket for people who make over 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:34.800 two point five million dollars a year. That is like 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.440 not even a question. That should absolutely happen one hundred percent. 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:40.960 And the fact that that was even floated at all 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:45.760 in a Republican administration means that Democrats must do it asap. 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.160 Hard to find eight hundred and eighty billion in medicaid, 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.560 they're going to try low hanging fruit, which is like 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:56.520 work requirements and this and that. Look, they're not going 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:00.000 to get there from here. Okay's those are big cuts. 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.160 By the way, they can get that money from the 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:07.599 Department of Defense, which will now be spending one trillion dollar. 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.880 The Department of Defense budget is going up. Okay, so 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:17.120 more money for Pete hegsath and it just the whole 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:22.480 thing is completely FORGOCTA. Again. The only good part of 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:27.160 this story is that it will be bad for red states, 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:31.360 which will be bad for elected Republicans. I don't want 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.280 anyone to suffer. I don't want red state voters to suffer. 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.000 I don't want blue state voters to suffer. But I 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:40.360 do think there is a particular irony and the fact 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.280 that a lot of these people who will be kicked 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.320 off healthcare, and if they do this, we will see 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.880 the number of people with health insurance down by more 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:51.840 than eight million by twenty three four. 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.000 So, Mali, the latest state of play if the Trump 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:58.680 administration versus the courts is now is a lot of 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.720 veiled threats, And by veiled, I mean there's probably a 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.520 lot of rips in the veil. Are Stephen Miller basically 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.000 threatening the court what he talked about getting rid of 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.400 habeas Corpus last week, and now we have Trump basically 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:11.960 trying to bully them as well. 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.440 So the Trump administration keeps losing in court, and they 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:20.080 keep losing in court because they want to do illegal stuff. Okay, 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:24.400 they keep losing in court because the illegal frameworks they're 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:29.200 trying to use are wartime frameworks. We are not at war, 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.040 we are not even in some kind of cold war. 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:38.280 There's nothing. There's only Trende Aarragua, which is a Venezuelan 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:42.640 gang that literally no one had heard of before twenty 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:47.760 twenty four when Donald Trump read about conspiracies that they 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:53.080 had taken over a apartment building in Aurora, Colorado. You 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:55.800 remember that from season two? I sure do. Yeah, So 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:59.320 this is a gang that is Venezuelan. It's not that 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.840 many people all Donald Trump has decided it's the major 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.880 danger to American life. It is not. This is a 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:13.480 fucking bullship premise yet again to try and get people 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.640 to get the judiciary to sign off on some of 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.640 Trump's dumb stuff. And I think that it's important to 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.480 remember that Trump has really as much as the Supreme 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:27.520 Court is installed by him, filled with conservatives who align 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.600 with him, he has squandered a lot of their good 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:35.840 will through attacking them and through just these very stupid cases. 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.640 The reason that they're looking at the birthright citizenship case, 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.640 and again you can say they're playing three dimensional chess, 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.280 and maybe it's true. Maybe they're doing it to shoot 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:50.800 it down to show they're not complete craven sycophans to Trump. 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.320 But either way, the birthright citizenship case, they're not going 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:57.360 to take away birthright citizenship. I mean, that's just I 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.520 don't think that's how this is going to go. So 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.319 he has really kind of squandered what lot of positive 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.880 feeling there was towards him. We're going to see just 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:08.920 more Trump attacks on the courts. And the reason only 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:10.880 Trump is attacking the courts, and I think this is 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:14.120 really important to remember, is because this is the only 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:18.120 checks and balance that's checking him. Right. The Congress has 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:21.760 rolled over and played dead. They're not interested. The Republicans 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:25.200 are too scared, the Democrats are not in the majority, 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.480 and a little bit too disorganized. So there are a 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.560 few who are really doing a good job. This is 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:31.360 what we're going to do here. They're going to try 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.160 look some of these lines. I want you to just 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.960 I'm going to reach you a line about Republicans wanting 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:40.160 work requirements. And you tell me if you don't see 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:41.120 where this is going. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.640 Okay, okay, okay, show me, miss clear, show me the future. 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:48.960 Right exactly, Washington can't afford to undermine the program Medicaid 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.400 further by subsidizing capable adults who choose now to work. 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.640 You can tell that's the best they could think of 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:01.479 for this. So look, and Josh Hall everyone's favorite. 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:03.000 Oh, definitely mine. 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:07.160 But here's the thing, Josh Holly, Okay, this guy is 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:11.160 a super big Republican, very sort of read in on 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.360 the world of Republican politics. His wife argues him friend 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:18.320 the Supreme Court. He says, slashes to the safety net 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:31.280 would be morally wrong and politically suicide. Harry Litman is 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.840 a former US attorney and the host of the podcast 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.200 Talking Feds. Oh Yes, Oh yes, oh yes. 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:41.760 It is the latest Molly mashup Talking Feds and Molly 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:46.200 Jong Fast for Fast Politics, where I pose her political 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.840 questions and she retorts with legal ones. But today I 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:54.320 want to start not exactly either, because Mollie John Fast 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:56.760 is everyone in America I to know, has a new 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.760 book coming out in next month. You want to take 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:03.040 a moment to explain a little bit about that. First 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:07.240 of all, congratulations a new book. Wow. Second, let's hear 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:07.600 about it. 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:12.040 So I wrote a book called How to Lose Your Mother. 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.760 It's a book about the worst year of my life 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.440 and how I got through it. And I wrote it 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.880 because I wanted people to be able to live through 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.800 something that feels unlivable and get through it. And that 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.719 is why I wrote the book. And hopefully people will 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.840 like it. The early reviews are very good, but who knows. 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.280 Yeah, I mean a lot of it is about family dynamics. 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.480 But I'll just say to people who don't know, which 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.360 may be nobody, both your mom and your grandfather, you're 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:42.480 really from a writer's family. And that's a big part 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:46.040 of the backdrop here. What do you got? 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.319 So much of this seems as non as a non 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.679 lawyer to be illegal. Trump has this The Supreme Court 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:57.080 has basically given him a broad, sweeping immunity to do 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:02.600 crimes or whatever, things like the cryptocoin the taking the 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:07.320 four hundred million dollar plane from the Qataris what is 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:10.800 illegal here and what is not illegal? And what is 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:11.600 the recourse? 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.480 Yeah, that's the big question, the last one, and it 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:18.480 is crimes or whatever. So he is a walking Emolument's 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.959 clause violation. He wasn't his first term, but that was 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.000 chump change all the stuff with his hotels, four hundred 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:28.000 million dollar palace in the sky as they call it. 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:33.760 That's some serious, groundbreaking historic emolument clause violation right there 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.760 in the Constitution. So much of what he's doing, Mollie, 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:38.760 if you had to give a broader theme to it, 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:43.199 is just completely eviscerating any role of Congress to decide things. 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.400 And we're in the Constitution. It says in black and white. 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.600 Is that in parchment paper that it's got to go 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:53.360 through Congress, for example, the Emolument's clause, Then it's as 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.960 illegal as can be. You put your finger on it. 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.920 Though when you talk about remedy, because at least there 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.960 if we want to stick with plane, it's patent that. 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.920 What the Framers had in mind is Congress should decide 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:08.400 we don't want some big national political debate, will use 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.400 Congress to make the judgment is this fair game or not? 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.640 You know, Lincoln wanted this fancy elephant. They said, no 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:19.160 Obama to turn down the million bucks for the Nobel Preprize. 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.560 What Trump has to do and is not doing it 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:25.800 is patently illegal. Is serve this up to Congress and 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.960 says right there in the Constitution and in general, there's 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.560 many things he's violating. And I think you're right. The 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:36.160 court has given him a free pass on crimes, but 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:40.040 that doesn't mean a free pass on illegalities. For instance, 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:44.000 in immigration the interpretation of the Alien Enemies Act, but 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:48.720 this one totally illegal. But what's designed as a congressional 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.280 remedy you do have. In fact, let me turn this 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.160 back on you, though it wasn't my thought, I do 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.280 think here you have cruised this morning saying I don't 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:02.640 know man Katar Saudierra, Yeah, you have certain what you need. 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:07.080 The Martin nomination just went down. He starts with a 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.560 pretty close margin, and it does seem like maybe there's 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:14.960 this much daylight beginning to form between him and the Senate, 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.760 him and the Congress. What do you think about that 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:21.520 at the political level, which my final answer to you 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.200 is so much of it rests with Congress, and they've 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.280 made it clear to date they're not going to do anything. 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:32.400 So I actually interviewed Tammy Baldwin and she said there 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:36.200 are Republican senators who believe in the power of the Senate. 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.440 So what has to happen here, I think is that 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:43.360 Democrats have to win back the House. Number one. We 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:45.720 have to protect our elections, and Democrats have to win 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.520 back to the House. I think Trump is now a monarch. 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:52.240 I don't think he can be charged with anything. I 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:54.800 don't think. I think that's a fool's errand, but I 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:59.080 do think people like Stephen Miller and people like you 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:03.960 think about the people around Trump who are doing things 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:08.360 that are illegal. Maybe Stephen Miller know, but certainly there 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:13.000 are people who are violating. I'm thinking about Pam Bondy. 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:17.120 She got one hundred and fifteen thousand dollars a month 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:20.560 from the Katari government as a lobbyist. So are there 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:24.400 emails between her and the Qatari is is it on 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:29.040 her private email or her public email? Does it look 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:30.400 like extoration, you. 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.480 Know, or at least a quid pro quo, which I 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.520 think both politically and legal, that would be a real inchpin, right. Yeah. 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.960 I have to wonder if some of the mistake of 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.840 Trump one point zero was that maybe instead of going 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:46.080 after Trump, they should have gone after every single person 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:50.800 around him. Because going after Trump was seen. I don't 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.160 think it was true because the guy did all these 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.640 things that were illegal, but it was seen as political, 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:02.200 whereas going there's clearly she has encouraged a certain lawlessness 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.200 that well, he can't be torched with it. The people 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.200 around him can. And I think that supply gotcha. 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.639 It's a really interesting point because like the big indictment 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.919 by Smith, he made a point of Trump only I 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.719 think for speed. But you're certainly right, everyone you know 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:20.720 meadows on that has gotten a walk. 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.199 And you also see when you look at like the 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:27.520 Rudy case or the Rogerstone, the people around Trump tend 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:31.200 to do stuff that's really not okay. 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:33.240 All right, you're turned. 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.080 I wonder sort of when you think about the DOJ, 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.159 the Republicans. There's a lot of stuff they're doing at 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:42.480 the DJ right now, which is they're stopping prosecuting some 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:46.480 white collar crime because they want to be focused on 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.359 the border. There's not a huge amount of stuff going 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.240 on at the border right it's the numbers are down 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:55.160 to the lowest they've been a long time. Is there 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.680 any way to get the DJ to do its job 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.160 and not to nor crimes. 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.919 I think the short answer to that is no, and 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:07.320 I'm overall seguin about our endgame here, which we can 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:09.399 talk about if you want to. But I think the 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:15.760 DJ is beyond repair, beyond reclamation. This is from talking 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:19.520 to people in there. It's like a post apocalyptic zone 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:23.359 with a few zombies kind of wandering around dazed and confused. 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:27.879 They have really brought the hammer down. People who haven't 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:32.520 done the kinds of cases they want or are being fired. 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:36.080 That's sort of unheard of. Everyone is being it's coming home, 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:39.760 right ed Martin just turned down. But meet the new boss, 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:42.560 same as the old boss. You're going to have someone 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.639 who is just as much takes this view that's just 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:50.000 like against It's not a little off, it's against DOJ 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:54.480 you know, Bone Marrow, DNA, that they are the president's 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:59.320 lawyers and not the constitution and rule of law. Lawyers 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:06.000 hold hartments are being eliminated, civil rights, voting sections, public integrity. 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:11.359 Just today we learned about a really important prosecutorial entity 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:15.200 that you had them in every office for organized crime 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:20.200 and drug stuff. So I think everyone's keeping their head down. 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:24.080 Everyone's scared to talk. People are trying to figure out 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.080 is this a good time to go on in the market, 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:30.919 which is actually saturated with other DOJ types, Bondie and 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:37.480 Bovart disasters, who you know lie daily about the supposed 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:42.359 politicization of prosecutions under the old regime and they're doing nothing. 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:46.960 But here, I think inside the place, it's a real 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:52.120 disaster zone included, but also outside because judges maybe juries. 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:53.840 We don't know yet, But it used to mean so 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:56.240 much to you. It's so much of a tailwind when 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.880 you stood up Molly John Fast for the United States, 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.520 and that's really be eroded. In general. I think the 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:06.280 calculations I make with the DOJ is will it ever 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:10.360 be the same? How long intel norms norms, for example 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:13.720 involving the White House, you know, politicizing things and telling 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:15.879 them what to do. How long will it ever be 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:19.040 right again? But I think of it as basically a 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:23.719 wasteland as long as you know Trumps president in BONDI 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:28.600 is ag. I'm not monolithically pessimistic across the board, but 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:32.080 DOJ is just fucked, I'm sorry to say. 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:35.640 But can the other states do stuff to hold them 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:39.080 in check? Because California, Yeah, talk to me about like 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:44.040 con democratic ags sue the DOJ. I mean, is there 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:45.280 a world where that happened. 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:47.199 You know, it's funny. So the different one, we were 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:49.119 just talking about a monument's clause and there was a 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:53.080 big lawsuit by state ags before saying when you take 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:57.000 the when you do these violations, it has I think 0:20:57.000 --> 0:20:59.320 you put your finger on it. And your listeners probably 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:01.600 know about this stuff. Everyone's taking a crash course and 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:04.640 a low as they're standing. The short answer is some 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:08.679 courts will say yes, some courts will say no, and 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.720 there is ability by and large I think of the 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.959 sanctuary movements and stuff for the states to assert themselves, 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:19.040 for the states to actually regulate. DOJ say hey, wait 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:21.479 a second, that's against the law, you can't do that, 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:25.480 or even I want this case not UFBI. The play 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:29.560 is really narrow. I think federal law enforcement is not 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:34.360 doing bad stuff, but not doing good stuff basically for 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:37.640 as long as as Trump is around. So look, that's 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:41.160 part of the solution. State if everything goes awry, if 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.159 the court lets them go, if Congress stays supine, is 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:47.399 state in federal power. But really it's you know, popular 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:50.959 discontent and unrest. And you know you've pointed out, actually 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:53.240 let me let me turn things now, because your recent 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:59.280 Vandy fair article is about Americans turning against Trump somewhat, 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:02.360 and that's the true. Let me just say, not even 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:05.560 as a partisan, but as an objective commentator, they don't 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:10.000 seem to be turning toward, you know, Democrats, or they're 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:13.480 they're turning away from doesn't seem to augur a real 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:17.280 you mentioned can the can the Dems take the House? 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:23.000 That seems pretty pretty uphill battle. What's your thought about A, 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:27.080 why the losses for Trump are not don't seem to 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:29.199 be true? Well, A, if it's true, and B, if so, 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:33.160 why the losses for Trump, he's now at the lowest 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.120 of anyone after this amount of time of president since 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:40.560 they've been doing polling, are not translating into commensurate or 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:43.240 anything like commensurate gains for Dems. 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:45.800 I think Democrats can win back the House. I think 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:51.639 what happened in in Wisconsin with that judicial election is 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:56.600 pretty clear case that the Republican brand is not good. 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:59.520 By the way, you know whose brand is the only 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:02.280 person who was really a much worse brand than Trump 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:06.640 is our friend Elon mush who really I mean, if 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:08.320 you look at that, if you go in and look 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:11.960 at those exit poles, like only five percent of voters 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:15.280 were more likely to vote for the Republican because of 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:19.840 the Elon endorsement. I mean, completely crazy, and that was 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:23.000 a very expensive race. So I think Democrats can win 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:26.679 back the House. I think the reason the brand is 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:31.680 in the Crapper is because I'll give you the sort 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:35.679 of the reasons. People are mad, right, they are not happy. 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:39.720 They do not feel good about the twenty twenty four cycle. Yeah, 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:42.800 I think on the Democratic side they feel I mean 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:45.119 I ask them all the time, and from what I 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:49.159 understand this is they feel angry that Democrats are not 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:52.720 doing more. Though really, what can they do? Right? They 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:54.880 have a mic, they have a sort of they can 0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:58.639 draw attention to things, but they can't necessarily, you know, 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:02.400 they can't hold rooms, they can't really move things. They 0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:04.760 can't legislate, they can't do this, they can't do that. 0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:09.439 But what they can do is they can you know, 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:14.800 do things like the Philibuster. Like people loved that Booker Philibuster. 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:19.080 Millions of people loved it. So the question is do 0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:24.880 they love Corey Booker's very centrist policies. Maybe not. I mean, 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:28.280 like all of these Democrats, I mean, if you think 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:31.359 about the if you ask people who are in the party, 0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:36.360 what they who they like. They'll say AOC Bernie Chris Murphy, 0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:41.439 Corey Booker, Jasmine Crockett. Here are five people who have 0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:46.600 almost no you know, their Centrists, their leftists, they're socialists. 0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:52.439 There's no unifying governing principle except another one Pritzker is 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:56.800 they are team fight. So team fight people like, and 0:24:57.119 --> 0:25:01.719 team cave people don't like. So I would say, if 0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:04.000 you're going to fight, I think there's a place for 0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:06.520 you in the Democratic Party. If you're going to cave 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:09.399 and that and interesting like there are a bunch of 0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:14.320 senators who are retiring on the Democratic side, like Gary Peters, 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:19.399 people who maybe in a normal democracy you could have 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:23.080 the temperament for the Senate. But if Trump leaves office 0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:26.200 when his term is up, which is a real if 0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:31.400 if he does, there will be a reconstruction of American democracy, 0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:36.679 which will be loud and painful and really a lot 0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:40.040 of people screaming at each other at best and best 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:44.199 and the people who are on the Democratic side and 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:47.360 on the Republican side, but on the Democratic side are 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:48.920 going to need to really have a spine. 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:50.359 Yeah, that's a great point and sort of what I 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:54.040 was thinking about DOJ, I'm overall sanguine, but man, oh man, 0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:56.920 the cleaning of the stables after it's going to be 0:25:57.119 --> 0:25:58.080 rough hurriculean. 0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:02.720 My question is what are people doing in the Trump 0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:05.320 DJ right now that is illegal? 0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:09.720 Okay, So it's a really good question because first you 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:13.720 got to think about abnormal. When I hear about certain things, 0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:16.680 my head goes three sixty degrees. But it's not technically 0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:21.480 speaking illegal for the White House to do certain things. 0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:26.200 I think they are violating the nineteen seventy eight Civil 0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:30.920 Service reformat right and left. They're firing people. Tell you 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:34.600 can't do that. You've got they get certain due process. 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:40.000 They're doing things specifically in violation. You could either say 0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:44.520 the First Amendment, Fifth Amendment because people take certain positions, 0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:48.560 righteous positions, you know, the Adams prosecution, whatever, and they're 0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:52.760 getting fired for that. The big thing they're doing mind 0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:57.159 very effectively, but you know, will there be remedies? Is 0:26:57.240 --> 0:27:02.720 hollowing out the department all that sort of knowledge of 0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:06.000 the place. The way it works is there are anywhere 0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:08.280 sort of handful of people, You come to them, you 0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:12.280 work through them together. They're all gone, they've been demoted 0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:16.959 to you know, asset forfeiture in Kentucky or whatever, and 0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:21.600 the culture of the place that's been so comprehensively denuded 0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:25.679 and is so making it ineffective. Then I think there 0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:31.560 are some flat out violations of lawn in general. You know, 0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:35.800 I'm a fraud lawyer, and when you lie about stuff 0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:38.320 and make a scheme, this is what Trump was charged 0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:41.320 with before he had immunity. That can be a crime, 0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:44.199 and a vigorous Department of Justice will never see it 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:48.040 will never happen even later, would construct certain things that 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:50.880 Bove is doing and Bondie is doing, because all they're 0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:54.600 trying to do is serve his political interests, which do 0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:58.920 not coincide with the law. But the bigger stuff, I mean, look, 0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:01.800 there's an overall less and a bitter lesson of the 0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:05.119 last few months or even you could say last eight years, 0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.000 which is that at the end of the day, the 0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:13.359 government runs on norms, good faith, integrity, ways of doing 0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:16.640 things that people have different views accept and it's really 0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:21.120 that that they've totally raised and so the impact is terrible. 0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:23.840 And then in addition, I could maybe make some US 0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:27.520 versus Bondie arguments, US versus bov argument but the real 0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:32.399 terrible damage is sort of at the cultural functional level. 0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:33.840 All right, I want to throw you a it's not 0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:35.760 it won't be a curveball for you, but a curveball 0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:38.400 in our conversation because I just had a long talk 0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:41.960 with Jonathan height t you may know from NYU, and 0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:47.480 his big spiel is how terrible social media has been 0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:50.160 for younger voters and what a disaster it is for 0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:54.760 younger generation. And you on the on your on the 0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:58.720 Zdeo podcast, you really the hardest working woman in podcastree, 0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:02.200 I must say try and said the fundamental problem with 0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:07.520 Democrats among the older generation is they can't get online, 0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:11.240 which is kind of the very opposite of his diagnosis, 0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:13.680 at least for younger Dems. So I thought that was 0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:16.800 pretty interesting and I wanted to ask you to splash 0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:17.400 that out a little. 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:22.200 The problem is communication, right, Nobody will argue, maybe they won't, 0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:25.240 but they're wrong. Joe Biden passed a lot of legislation, 0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:31.080 really good legislation right on shoring manufacturing, chips and sciences, 0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:33.680 the thing that Donald Trump just did a whole fuck 0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:38.440 up about right on shoring manufacturing. Biden actually passed something 0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:43.080 that would have and has to some extent, got semiconductor 0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:47.520 chips going in the United States making semiconductor chips. This 0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:51.800 is seismic stuff. The reason why Biden was unpopular was 0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:58.000 inflation and an inability to transmit what he was doing. 0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:02.320 Nobody knew. In fact, you know, there's these Google searches 0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:05.800 of election Day where people went on their computer to 0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:08.440 see who was running for president because they thought Biden 0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:12.120 was still running for president. So this is a big 0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:16.960 fucking problem. And it comes from the supposition that politics 0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:22.280 runs downstream of culture. This is a Andrew Breitbart ism. 0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:27.480 Andrew Breitbart, right wing lunatic died. That guy said politics 0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:30.880 runs downstream of culture. And what Donald Trump did was 0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:33.760 he got into the bloodstream of the culture, and so 0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:39.120 he won the presidency. What Democrats have done studiously is 0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:43.560 completely stay outside of the culture. And they've done it, 0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:46.760 I think because they're being advised by people who are 0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:51.040 terrified of their own shadows. So this is why sometimes 0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:54.360 you will have a elected who you'll get on your 0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:56.680 podcast and you'll ask them a question and they'll say 0:30:57.120 --> 0:31:01.840 ameer Ca because it's Emera and it's c and you'll 0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:05.000 think this doesn't make any sense, and what the fuck 0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:09.400 are they doing You've had those elected, and that is 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:13.800 the consultant class getting in their brains, making them think 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:18.560 that saying nothing is better than saying something. And the 0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:23.240 reality is the more democrats say nothing, the more they 0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:26.440 open the door to a Donald Trump to another Donald 0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:29.479 Trump to And that is how we got here, and 0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:31.760 that is the only way to get out of it 0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:34.640 is to have people who run for office, who say 0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:39.120 English words and are real people and say things like 0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:40.600 this is what I'm gonna do and this is what 0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:43.040 I'm not going to do, and really let you in 0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:46.200 or at least pretend to enough. Anyway. 0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:49.640 Thank you, Always good and always fun talking to you, Molly. 0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:52.080 Good luck with the book and see you next month. 0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:57.640 Thank you. Amanda Littman is the co founder of Run 0:31:57.640 --> 0:31:59.520 for Something and the author of the new book When 0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:04.960 We're in che The Next Generation's Guide to Leadership. Welcome 0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:08.160 to Fast Politics, Amanda Litman, Thanks Molly. 0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:09.480 Always delighted to chat. 0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:11.800 Let's talk about this book, tell us everything. 0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:14.320 So the book is called When We're in Charge. It's 0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:17.520 out this week. It is the Next Generation's Guide to Leadership. 0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:19.760 And I would say the like one sentence summary is 0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:22.560 it's how to be an effective leader in this moment 0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:24.520 without being an asshole to the people you lead. 0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:26.560 Ooh, so what does that look like? 0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:28.880 It looks like what does it really mean to be 0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:31.800 authentic in a way that is not about ego but 0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:33.960 about serving your team and how you can show up 0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:37.760 for them. It's about transparency, It's about work life balance. 0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:41.560 It's about being like a better parent as part of 0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:44.680 your work, and how you can think about your caregiving responsibilities. 0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:47.680 It's about your career and ambition. I really I heard 0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:50.040 someone describe it as like unlike any other business book 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.560 you've ever read, in a good way. And I like 0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:53.560 that summary. 0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:56.520 Right now as actually reading an article you were quoted 0:32:56.520 --> 0:33:01.719 in today in The Atlantic about these retirements and that 0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:05.480 they're actually kind of a good sign. So talk us 0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:07.360 through why you think that. So. 0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:09.480 I think it is a good thing that we have 0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:13.080 older democratic leaders retiring. I think they open up space 0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:15.680 and competitive primaries where the party can really decide what 0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:18.320 we believe. I think we get to celebrate these leaders' 0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:20.360 legacies in a way that I think is good for them. 0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:23.880 When they retire. They get to go out the front door, 0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:26.040 as I like to describe it, get to like to 0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:29.880 find their legacy really be celebrated. If they stayed in, 0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:32.960 almost certainly all of them would be getting challenged, and 0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:35.920 then they would have to get into a really nasty 0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:39.840 campaign that would often center about their personal failings. I 0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.240 don't think that would be fun for anyone. So I'm 0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:45.280 glad to see folks like you know, Gary Peters, Tina Smith, 0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:48.280 Dick Durbin, and others step aside because it means we 0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:51.160 get to really like, look at them as patriots. Is 0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:53.160 putting public service above their egos. 0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:57.120 Yeah, I think that's right. Trump Is polling is bad, 0:33:57.160 --> 0:34:00.000 but so we're Democrats, right, their polling is also bad. 0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:04.320 It seems as if it's largely cave versus fight, not 0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:09.160 an ideological hostility. The voters are having more of a 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:12.439 they don't feel like their people are doing enough for them. 0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:15.000 What do you think? I mean? I've asked a lot 0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:18.560 of elected what they could be doing more of. You 0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.080 are pretty versed in all of this, So what do 0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:22.480 you think they should be doing more of? 0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:25.120 I think there are things like not confirming any of 0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:27.120 Trump's nominees through the Senate. 0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:28.919 So talk us through how that would work. 0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:31.200 Well, I am not an insider when it comes to 0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:33.520 Senate procedure, but it was for what I have read, 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:37.600 there are mechanics procedural moves in which they need Democrats 0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:40.480 to vote to approve many of these nominees for things 0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:43.440 like the Justice Department, some of the judges they want 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:47.319 to move through other Senate confirmed positions. Democrats just don't 0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:49.320 have to give them the votes that we can put 0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:52.480 sand in the gears in a way that at the 0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:54.759 very least slows it down because floor time is one 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.120 of the only resources they cannot get back at some 0:34:57.160 --> 0:35:00.960 point they have to close out the session. So if 0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:03.680 we can grind the gears down to a halt, even 0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:05.960 if we can't ultimately stop some of the harm they're doing, 0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:07.840 you know, that makes a difference. 0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:09.680 Do you think it would have been a good idea 0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:10.720 to shut down the government? 0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:13.120 I think it's hard to say. I think it would 0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:14.520 have been a good idea if we knew we were 0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:16.560 going to vote to keep the government open to have 0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:19.319 gotten something for that, But that's what I and you have, 0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:22.840 like extracted any kind of pound of flush in exchange 0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:25.279 for it. The problem was that Schumer put up a 0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:28.080 strong posture up until the day of and then was like, oh, 0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:29.800 just kidding. Here you go, you get my vote, you 0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:32.719 got a couple others, godspeed, at least get something for it. 0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:33.240 My dude. 0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:37.040 It feels like Democrats are still not quite hard enough 0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:41.960 on Republicans. So we have Chris Murphy has been out 0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:44.880 there just a ton, which I think has been really good. 0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:48.880 And then we had Corey Booker do this filibuster which 0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:52.560 was pretty epic. But a lot of Democratic senators we 0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:56.279 just haven't seen out there. Am I missing anyone? I mean, 0:35:56.400 --> 0:36:00.440 obviously in the House we've had AOC, We've had Bernie Rocket, 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:04.320 Maxwell Frost, But what would you like to see Demko 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:06.759 sort of what's your dream to see? You know, if 0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:09.040 you could say to Reuben Diego, who's a guy with 0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:11.480 a lot of ambition, like what I'd like to be 0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:12.400 seeing you doing? 0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:15.360 Or you know, I think actually Chris van Holland modeled 0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:19.120 something good here where he has like used his physical 0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:21.799 presence to push the needle, like going down to El 0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:25.680 Salvador demanding a meeting with a Brago, like putting out 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:28.160 photos and explaining how the photos that they put out 0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:28.960 were propaganda. 0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:30.280 Like that's good. 0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:34.640 More of that, I would say we had in Worcestern Massachusetts. 0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:37.040 One of the city council members there, whose name I'm 0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:38.880 going to butcher because I've only ever read it and 0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:42.280 never said it. So comes a woman adal A Jaj 0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:46.080 I think who has a run for something, alum who 0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:48.960 literally put her body in front of ice trying to 0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:52.359 detain a young woman and her child, Like, put your 0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:55.120 body on the line, make it, make a spectacle. Spectacle 0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:58.120 is good. Spectacle gets attention, Attention gets reached, reach gets 0:36:58.200 --> 0:36:59.880 votes ultimately eventually. 0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:04.320 Yeah, that's a really good point. What I think is interesting. 0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:07.880 So for example, Trump is wants to get this plane 0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:11.440 from the Qatari royal family. It's a four hundred MILANDAR plane. 0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:13.880 There are a number of reasons why Trump shouldn't have 0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:18.120 his plane, right from the emolument's cause to the national 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:19.880 security problems. 0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:21.680 Going to be chock full a spyware. What do we 0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:23.040 do when there. 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:25.439 At every point this is an insane idea. It's so 0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:30.120 insane that Cynthia Lumis when asked about it, burst out laughing. Okay, 0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:35.840 Cynthia lumis pretty trumpy, burst out laughing. So question is here, 0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:40.440 what can Democrats do? Like is there a legislative push, 0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:45.880 Like what can Democrats do here can they get hearings going? 0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:47.600 I mean, what can what's the play? 0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:50.320 I think, drawing as much media attention to it as possible. 0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:51.640 I know I was talking without this so so and 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:54.680 is sort of like divorced from politics yesterday last night, 0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:56.560 and they were trying to explain to me, like it 0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:59.920 feels so obviously corrupt that it can't be true. It's 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:02.399 almost ludicrous, like, of course, you can't take a four 0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:05.120 hundred million dollars million dollar plane on a foreign government 0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:07.319 that you can then keep after it. That's that's like 0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:10.680 so quid pro quo corruption that it feels ludicrous. But 0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:12.400 I think for most people that are like, well, it 0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:15.200 can't happen, but we got to keep just calling attention 0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:18.240 to it, Like I want to see members of Congress 0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:20.600 standing in front of clodiums, going in front of town halls, 0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:23.640 storming podcasts, talking about how you know, you don't feel 0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:25.959 getting feel safe getting on a flight right now because 0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:28.520 he fired all those air traffic controllers, he's taken a 0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:31.080 four hundred million dollar jet from Qatar. That I mean, 0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:34.400 pretty compelling storyline even right now, forget about the corruption, 0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:36.480 Like we don't feel safe getting on a plane he's 0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:38.760 getting on one funded by the Qatari government. 0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:42.280 So we are coming down the sort of the beginning 0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:45.399 of the runway for the midterms is going to be 0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:49.840 probably the most consequentrol mid terms of our young lives. 0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:52.680 I love that I'm making it sound like we're this image. 0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:57.239 What since we're both in our early thirties, what are 0:38:57.239 --> 0:39:01.280 you hearing? What are you seeing in Run for Something world? 0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:03.400 And what is giving you hope? 0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:05.440 So Run for Something has had more than forty five 0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:07.440 thousand people raise their hands to say they want to 0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:10.600 run just since the election. That's six months. That's more 0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:12.720 than we had in the first three years of Trump's 0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.600 first term. So huge ways of young people saying I 0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:17.920 want to run for office. I eyve even a handful 0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:19.960 of them, more than a handful really do get on 0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:21.800 the ballot in twenty twenty six, which I expect you 0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:24.280 will see. They are going to change what the Democratic 0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:26.480 Party looks like, both quite literally, They're going to be 0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:29.400 a different kind of Democrat. They're going to communicate differently, 0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:31.640 They're going to show up in different communication channels, they're 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:34.400 going to use the Internet differently, and so many of 0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:37.000 them are running on things that are really practical to 0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:42.040 folks like affordable housing, stopping book bands, spanning health care access, 0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:43.920 and also being able to tell the story of how 0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:46.680 they've been fired or gotten screwed over by Trump and Elon. 0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:49.480 I think it's really personal stories in a way that 0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:52.080 drives a good store of the narrative or a good campaign. 0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:53.759 I do think housing is going to be the thing 0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:56.160 on the local level more so than anything else, because 0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:58.640 it is the thing that is directly affecting people's cost 0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:01.480 of living, and Trump's going to crash the housing market, 0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:02.959 which is already really bad. 0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:05.200 Do you feel like the people you're getting are people 0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:10.400 who are angry about the status quo, about what democrats 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:12.279 have done? What does it look like the people who 0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:12.960 are coming to you. 0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:15.200 It's definitely a lot of folks who are like, why 0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:18.200 are my leaders not fighting for me? Where are the 0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:20.160 folks who are like, really going to pay attention to 0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:24.360 how this is affecting my life. I am really inspired 0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:26.560 by the people who are looking around at the kind 0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:30.359 of harassment attention that some elected officials are getting and 0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:32.759 saying I'm going to do this anyway, Like I'm going 0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:35.040 to be brave enough to change my life and change 0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:37.480 my career, think, Oh, we're hearing from a lot of 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:40.160 folks that they are running on representation in kind of 0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:42.360 a different way than you might think, Like it's not 0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:44.560 just you know, there's no women, there's no people. Call 0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:47.080 it all that, like, there's no one who understands what 0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:50.200 it's like to be a normal person right now, no 0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.440 one in this body of government will understands what it's 0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:54.680 like to be a renter, who understands what it's like 0:40:54.760 --> 0:40:57.840 to have kids in childcare, who understands what it's like 0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:02.640 to you know, have your fellow ship gate defunded by 0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:05.759 the federal government. It is really sort of like a 0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:09.560 lived experience failure on behalf of our elected leaders. And 0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:11.520 the finolopiece i'd say is we're getting a lot of 0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:14.200 people who are like, I am so angry. Why is 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:16.880 my leadership not as angry as I am. They're making 0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:20.040 me feel gas lit, They're making me feel crazy for 0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:23.280 being this nad and they shouldn't, like I'm right be pissed. 0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:24.640 So I think that's a good thing. 0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:26.799 Ted is a good thing. I want you to say 0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:28.240 more about the housing stuff. 0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:31.200 One of the things that runs for something civics, which 0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:32.799 is our c three ARM is going to be doing 0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:35.719 over the next couple of years. Hopefully is be trying 0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:38.359 to get more renters to run for office. Ninety three 0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:42.120 percent of elected officials are homeowners. Thirty five percent of 0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:45.040 Americans are renters, and that number is going up as 0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:47.920 the housing market gets harder and harder to enter. In 0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:50.680 some states, the number of rent of homeowners. I think 0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:53.360 it's only one state within where homeowners breaks fifty percent. 0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:56.040 Among young people, we go under thirty five. It is 0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:58.239 so hard right now if you are a twenty or 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:00.960 thirty something to buy a home. Invent is getting more 0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:04.720 and more expensive everywhere, urban environments, rural environments, suburban everything 0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:06.880 in between. And you know, I am a big believer 0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:09.200 in that every story is a housing story, kind of 0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:10.680 like you know, New York, every story is a real 0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:13.759 estate story. Every story is a housing story. The loneliness 0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:17.520 crisis is about housing. Build. The return to office situation 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:20.080 is about housing. Childcare is about housing because if you 0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:22.279 can't afford to live where you want to live, you 0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:24.399 can't afford to live how you want to live. It's 0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:27.879 about autonomy, it's about the American dream. Housing is all 0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:29.680 of it. So one of the reasons that we want 0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:31.600 to make sure we're getting more renters to run for 0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:35.879 office is because we need folks who personally understand how 0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:37.839 it feels to be a twenty or thirty something entering 0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:40.440 the housing and rent market right now, and two who 0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:43.480 come in with a different lived perspective on why we 0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:46.560 need to build more housing as homeowners no offense. I 0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:48.120 don't know if you own your apartment or when where 0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:51.759 you live by like homeowners psychologically don't necessarily want more 0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:53.960 housing to get built because it may lower the value 0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:56.040 of their home and that's usually where most of their 0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:58.680 wealth is. That's a problem because we need to build more. 0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:01.360 So I'm really excited about this effort and excited to 0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:04.680 keep talking about it. And I think is important to 0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:08.480 raise the identity of renter or tenant as part of 0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:10.759 your political identity because it changes the way you think 0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:12.760 about how you show up at the polls. Who's fighting 0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:13.879 for you as a renter. 0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:17.200 That's interesting. There's been a lot of talk about it 0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:21.480 is a democratic tea party. It strikes me that Democrats 0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:25.680 had a chance to stop a Democratic tea party and 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:28.239 they didn't, and that what they're going to see in 0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:32.880 the midterms is going to be the kind of rage 0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:38.280 is going to be because they were insufficiently hysterical about 0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:41.080 trump Ism, and that had they been a little more 0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:45.160 twenty sixteen ish, they wouldn't be losing their jobs the 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:47.399 way they're going to in the midterms. Do you think 0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:50.680 that's right, and say more totally. I think that's right. 0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:54.080 I think being an incumbent is such an advantage, Like 0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:56.840 it's really hard to unsee an incumbent in a primary 0:43:56.920 --> 0:43:59.799 and in a general, but especially in a primary. You 0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:02.480 have every possible political connection, you can raise a fuck 0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:06.080 ton of money. It's just it's so beneficial that if 0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:09.040 you are feeling afraid for your job, if you feel 0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:11.560 like a primary challenge is actually threatening you, it's because 0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:13.680 you're not doing a good job, Like you have every 0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:16.480 possible advantage. If you lose a primary, it's because you 0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:18.560 have failed to meet the moment in some meaningful way. 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:21.840 They could have fixed this early on. Now there's candidates 0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:24.239 all across the country who have already launched campaigns and 0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:27.200 aren't preparing to launch campaigns against incumbents. I think those 0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:30.000 will be good because the incumbents that win, great, They're 0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:31.600 going to move on to the general, and the ones 0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:33.440 that lose weren't doing it doing it right to be 0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:34.280 in the first place. 0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:37.040 So when you look at the map right now, in 0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:39.839 the twenty twenty six map, I think a lot about 0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:46.200 a candidate in Nebraska called Dan Osborne. He rejected the 0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:50.279 Democratic moniker. He said he was an independent. He may 0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:53.480 run again. Talk us through if you think there's a 0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:55.879 future in red states for candidates like that. 0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:58.880 I definitely think that there is an opportunity for candidates 0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:01.640 to set themselves apart from the party. There's certainly a 0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:04.120 challenge in terms of ballot access and how it works 0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:06.399 in any given state of a kind of infrastructure you're 0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:09.080 able to access as an independent, but it's so place 0:45:09.160 --> 0:45:12.719 and race specific. But I think certainly positioning yourself as 0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:14.960 an outsider or a challenger against the party is a 0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:16.360 good thing in many places. 0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:20.440 But is there room for a kind of populist wing 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:22.719 of the party. One of the things that Trump was 0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:25.520 able to do was he was able to secure white, 0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:30.560 non college educated and also some minority voters. I think 0:45:30.680 --> 0:45:33.520 it may not be the numbers which were advertised, but 0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:37.319 so he got a share of the working class that 0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:42.080 Democrats maybe gave away, maybe because they felt they couldn't 0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:46.319 promise them things that they wanted. Do you think there's 0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:50.080 an opportunity for Democrats to connect with that working class voter? 0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:52.759 And if so, what do you think the things they 0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:53.680 should be doing are. 0:45:53.880 --> 0:45:56.439 I think it's really messenger specific. I think that there 0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:59.320 are candidates who can outperform the top of a ticket 0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:01.200 and who data worn to tap of the ticket in 0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:04.800 a meaningful way. I also, I'm really curious to see 0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:08.000 in twenty twenty six how many of those folks fall 0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:10.480 away from the Republican Party when Trump is not on 0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:12.400 the ballot. That's not to say I don't think Democrats 0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:14.200 shouldn't fight for them, shouldn't make a case for them, 0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:16.799 should be present. But you know, Trump is kind of 0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:20.640 an anomaly, not in his necessarily his policies, but in 0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:23.160 the brand that he has built. You know, the entire 0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:26.200 party holds his beliefs at this point, but they don't 0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:29.480 always win when they espouse them. And we've seen this 0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:32.200 in like the Republican primary process in twenty twenty four. 0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:35.520 You know, Ron DeSantis tried to be Trump Junior or 0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:37.840 Trump light rather, and it doesn't work because if you 0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:39.680 don't have his Chrismon. You don't have his brand, you 0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:42.360 can't stick. So I'll be really curious to see, with 0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:45.239 Trump never being on the ballot again, which he will 0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:48.239 not be, what happens with the Republican Party. Actually, I 0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:50.440 don't think we talk enough about that of Trump's a 0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:53.000 lame duck while watching his cabinet members sort of position 0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:55.560 themselves already. JD. Vance is not going to walk into 0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:58.520 that primary without a fight. It could be fun to 0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:00.440 watch them eat their own Can. 0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:06.080 You imagine, like JD. Van to v Marco v. DeSantis, 0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:09.320 I mean against Christine Nome. Don't forget her little police 0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:13.760 barbide Christine Nome. Jesus Christ. It's hard to imagine there's 0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:16.480 a clear front runner in that crew. 0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:18.919 No, and I don't think it'll be easy for any 0:47:18.960 --> 0:47:22.160 of them because while they're all shameless and bi get 0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:24.080 it in their own right, none of them can do 0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:26.040 it in the same way that Trump can do. 0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:30.040 Not envy their futures, yeah, h I do not either 0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:34.359 a man, and also I don't envy any of our futures. Well, 0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:38.560 Amanda Litman, I hope you'll come back. 0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:40.880 I will always come back. Thank you for giving me 0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:43.279 a chance to talk politics and also remind me able 0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:44.960 to pick up my book, which is now out in 0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:47.520 stores when we're in charge wherever you get your books. 0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:53.680 No moment, Jesse Cannon. 0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:58.560 My so, over the weekend Trump enacted price controls for 0:47:58.640 --> 0:48:02.560 drugs and I was told during the twenty twenty four 0:48:02.640 --> 0:48:06.360 presidential campaign that that was downright communist and comrade Kamala 0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:10.319 Harris doing that or Burnie, Oh my god, what are 0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:13.520 we thinking? And then now Trump has done it. RFK Junior, 0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:15.759 though funny enough, has a theory. What's behind this? 0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:17.560 Yes, tell me more. 0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:21.239 President Trump was taking money from the pharmaceutical industry to 0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:23.240 the way they think, you know, one hundred million dollars. 0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:27.719 He can't be bought, unlike most of the politicians in 0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:32.080 this country, and he is standing here for the American people. 0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:35.560 I don't know what you know. There's there's writers like 0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:40.440 my Lord Elizabeth Warrener Robert Reichler just saying that President 0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:42.040 Trump is on this side of the oligar. 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:45.480 What of eloquid speaking to see where his head is at? 0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:48.879 You know, this is a man who swims in Rock 0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:52.319 Creek Park. Damn. I was going to get to that. 0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:57.440 Ladies and gentlemen, everyone's favorite. Look, I don't know, maybe 0:48:57.719 --> 0:49:01.000 some of that Rock Creek water is true telling serum. 0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:03.080 Oh that's a great philosophy. 0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:05.279 Sodium pedothal in the sewage water? 0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:09.200 Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, the best Heliody Impede all in 0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:10.600 the sewage order. 0:49:10.680 --> 0:49:13.319 Right, sounds like one of his conspiracy theories. Truth be told. 0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:17.880 Listen, man, it's not surprising, but it is insane, like 0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:22.480 everything in this administration. That's it for this episode of 0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:29.360 Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Saturday 0:49:29.520 --> 0:49:32.880 to hear the best minds and politics make sense of 0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:37.399 all this chaos. If you enjoy this podcast, please send 0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:41.080 it to a friend and keep the conversation going. 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