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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And how's GOP unveils a plan to

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Speaker 1: raise the debt limit by four trillion dollars. You'll remember

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Speaker 1: that's the party that pretends to care about financial responsibility.

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Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today, talking

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Speaker 1: Fed's own Harry Lippman stops by to talk about how

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Speaker 1: Trump's corruption in broad daylight can be litigated in the courts.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Run for Something's own Amanda Lippman

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Speaker 1: about her new book, When We're in Charge, the Next

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Speaker 1: Generation's Guide to Leadership. But first the news.

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Speaker 2: So Molly, Jake Tapper, and Alex Thompson have this book.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's touting is going to be all the rage of

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Speaker 2: gossip through the whole early summer about how President Biden

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Speaker 2: had no idea where he was and that he's out

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Speaker 2: to watch. So the first excerpt from it has come

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Speaker 2: out and it's not feeling that exciting. Right.

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Speaker 1: Look, the right really wants there to be a conspiracy here,

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Speaker 1: that there was some kind of setup, and the reality is,

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Speaker 1: and we've talked about this on podcasts before, and we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about it again, and we may end

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Speaker 1: up talking about it again and again and again. Getting

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Speaker 1: old is not a conspiracy being an old guy. Again.

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Speaker 1: When you read John Allen and Amy's book about Biden's election,

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Speaker 1: you see that he had gone to Europe twice and

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Speaker 1: then he had come and done this debate and had

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Speaker 1: been a disaster. This is the old guy. Being old

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Speaker 1: is not a conspiracy. And I'm going to point to

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Speaker 1: a man called Donald Trump, who is now the oldest

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Speaker 1: president ever, who twice today wandered off after giving a talk. Right,

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Speaker 1: Trump gave a little talk and then forgot to sign

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Speaker 1: the executive order he was going to sign, so they

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Speaker 1: had to bring him back. And there was another time

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Speaker 1: when he did something similar to too old to hold elected office.

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Speaker 1: Now is it a conspiracy? No? Is it a conspiracy

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Speaker 1: in the fact that American politics is Democrats are too

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Speaker 1: polite and they let people stay too long, and they

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Speaker 1: don't I mean, everything I've read so far, and i

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Speaker 1: haven't read the book, but I've just read excerpts of

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Speaker 1: it shows people who are too polite to tell Biden

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Speaker 1: the truth. Is that a conspiracy? It's a conspiracy in

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Speaker 1: the fact that it is just infuriating to me, Right,

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Speaker 1: I find that infuriating. But what the right desperately wants

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Speaker 1: is some kind of cabal that kept Biden in charge

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Speaker 1: as opposed to a more likely scenario. And again I

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Speaker 1: is a more likely scenario of polite people trying not

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Speaker 1: to upset someone, which in itself is infuriating. Right. I

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Speaker 1: almost would rather have a secret cabal of people trying

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Speaker 1: show a kind of intentionality which I do not think

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Speaker 1: is there. I just want you to realize this story

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Speaker 1: is being used by the Right as a way of

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Speaker 1: maligning Democrats, and I just think that should be something

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Speaker 1: you think about when you think about this story, is

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Speaker 1: what is the purpose of this, Why is this out there?

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Speaker 1: And what is the play? And that I think is

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Speaker 1: something that you should think about very strongly when you

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Speaker 1: read this book. And look, I just don't think I

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Speaker 1: wish the Democratic Party were capable of doing such high

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Speaker 1: level operating, because then none of us would be in

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Speaker 1: this situation. But they're not, and that's why we're here.

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Speaker 2: Solid point speaking of not the best strategizing and things

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Speaker 2: not really going well. Representative shre Thnadar today introduced impeachment

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Speaker 2: of Trump into the.

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Speaker 3: House, right.

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Speaker 1: This is why it is a group that can't shoot straight.

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Speaker 1: And that's what we're talking about here. So there's no

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Speaker 1: numbers to impeach Trump. They don't Democrats don't have the votes.

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Speaker 1: It is absolutebolutely insane. It's just crazy. Right, This is

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Speaker 1: what it is. There are are members of the House,

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Speaker 1: they want to do something, and they're right to want

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Speaker 1: But since there aren't the votes for impeachment, what will

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Speaker 1: happen if you start the clock on this is it's

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Speaker 1: just going to fail and it's going to help Trump.

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Speaker 1: And again, talking to Harry Litman, you're going to hear

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Speaker 1: think may actually be right, which is that focus on

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Speaker 1: the illegality around Trump because that is often more blatant.

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Speaker 1: And there's a reason that Rudy Giuliani is in the

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Speaker 1: place he is right now and everyone else around Trump. Right,

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Speaker 1: Michael Cohen went to jail. All of this happened because

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Speaker 1: the people around Trump are doing similarly illegal things. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: the point of this is that this is not the

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Speaker 1: moment for impeachment proceedings. Moment for impeachment proceedings is, hopefully

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Speaker 1: when if Democrats win the House, and when and if

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump does something that is actively impeachable, which I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you will, because let's be honest, it's not safe.

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Speaker 2: Bet if I've ever taken with Yeah. So, in addition

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Speaker 2: to all this debt raising in the GOP budget, we

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Speaker 2: also have Medicaid work requirements, which is a cursed phrase

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Speaker 2: I hope to never say. But what are you see

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Speaker 1: So here's the deal. Republicans need to cut eight hundred

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Speaker 1: They want to. They want to do it why so

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Speaker 1: it makes financial sense. It is very hard to cut

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty billion dollars for Medicaid. Again, do

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Speaker 1: I think the tax cuts. I think they should let

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Speaker 1: think it's really disgusting. I think that they should raise

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Speaker 1: taxes on very wealthy people. It's just my take. By

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Speaker 1: the way, my favorite thing. Last week, Donald Trump pretended

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Speaker 1: and then he was like, no, it would be bad.

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Speaker 1: Then Democrats can say, read my lips new to taxes.

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Speaker 1: The truth is he can't do it because the people

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Speaker 1: to fucking raise my taxes. We put you in here

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Speaker 1: when Democrats get back into power, prayer hands, that that happens.

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Speaker 1: They must create a bracket for people who make over

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Speaker 1: not even a question. That should absolutely happen one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that that was even floated at all

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Speaker 1: in a Republican administration means that Democrats must do it asap.

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Speaker 1: Hard to find eight hundred and eighty billion in medicaid,

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Speaker 1: they're going to try low hanging fruit, which is like

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Speaker 1: work requirements and this and that. Look, they're not going

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Speaker 1: Department of Defense, which will now be spending one trillion dollar.

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Speaker 1: more money for Pete hegsath and it just the whole

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Speaker 1: thing is completely FORGOCTA. Again. The only good part of

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Speaker 1: that a lot of these people who will be kicked

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Speaker 2: So, Mali, the latest state of play if the Trump

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Speaker 2: administration versus the courts is now is a lot of

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Speaker 2: veiled threats, And by veiled, I mean there's probably a

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Speaker 1: So the Trump administration keeps losing in court, and they

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Speaker 1: keep losing in court because they want to do illegal stuff. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they keep losing in court because the illegal frameworks they're

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Speaker 1: trying to use are wartime frameworks. We are not at war,

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Speaker 1: this is a gang that is Venezuelan. It's not that

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Speaker 1: danger to American life. It is not. This is a

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Speaker 1: Trump's dumb stuff. And I think that it's important to

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Speaker 1: But either way, the birthright citizenship case, they're not going

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, show me, miss clear, show me the future.

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Speaker 1: Right exactly, Washington can't afford to undermine the program Medicaid

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Speaker 1: further by subsidizing capable adults who choose now to work.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing, Josh Holly, Okay, this guy is

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. He says, slashes to the safety net

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Speaker 1: would be morally wrong and politically suicide. Harry Litman is

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Speaker 1: Talking Feds. Oh Yes, Oh yes, oh yes.

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Speaker 4: It is the latest Molly mashup Talking Feds and Molly

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Speaker 4: Jong Fast for Fast Politics, where I pose her political

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Speaker 4: want to start not exactly either, because Mollie John Fast

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Speaker 4: is everyone in America I to know, has a new

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Speaker 1: So I wrote a book called How to Lose Your Mother.

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Speaker 1: It's a book about the worst year of my life

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Speaker 1: senators who are retiring on the Democratic side, like Gary Peters,

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Speaker 1: people who maybe in a normal democracy you could have

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Speaker 1: the temperament for the Senate. But if Trump leaves office

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Speaker 1: when his term is up, which is a real if

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Speaker 1: if he does, there will be a reconstruction of American democracy,

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Speaker 1: which will be loud and painful and really a lot

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Speaker 1: of people screaming at each other at best and best

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Speaker 1: and the people who are on the Democratic side and

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Speaker 1: on the Republican side, but on the Democratic side are

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Speaker 1: going to need to really have a spine.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great point and sort of what I

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Speaker 4: was thinking about DOJ, I'm overall sanguine, but man, oh man,

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Speaker 4: the cleaning of the stables after it's going to be

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Speaker 4: rough hurriculean.

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Speaker 1: My question is what are people doing in the Trump

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Speaker 1: DJ right now that is illegal?

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Speaker 4: Okay, So it's a really good question because first you

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Speaker 4: got to think about abnormal. When I hear about certain things,

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Speaker 4: my head goes three sixty degrees. But it's not technically

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Speaker 4: speaking illegal for the White House to do certain things.

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Speaker 4: I think they are violating the nineteen seventy eight Civil

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Speaker 4: Service reformat right and left. They're firing people. Tell you

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Speaker 4: can't do that. You've got they get certain due process.

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Speaker 4: They're doing things specifically in violation. You could either say

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Speaker 4: the First Amendment, Fifth Amendment because people take certain positions,

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Speaker 4: righteous positions, you know, the Adams prosecution, whatever, and they're

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Speaker 4: getting fired for that. The big thing they're doing mind

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Speaker 4: very effectively, but you know, will there be remedies? Is

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Speaker 4: hollowing out the department all that sort of knowledge of

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Speaker 4: the place. The way it works is there are anywhere

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Speaker 4: sort of handful of people, You come to them, you

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Speaker 4: work through them together. They're all gone, they've been demoted

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Speaker 4: to you know, asset forfeiture in Kentucky or whatever, and

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Speaker 4: the culture of the place that's been so comprehensively denuded

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Speaker 4: and is so making it ineffective. Then I think there

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Speaker 4: are some flat out violations of lawn in general. You know,

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Speaker 4: I'm a fraud lawyer, and when you lie about stuff

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Speaker 4: and make a scheme, this is what Trump was charged

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Speaker 4: with before he had immunity. That can be a crime,

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Speaker 4: and a vigorous Department of Justice will never see it

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Speaker 4: will never happen even later, would construct certain things that

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Speaker 4: Bove is doing and Bondie is doing, because all they're

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Speaker 4: trying to do is serve his political interests, which do

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Speaker 4: not coincide with the law. But the bigger stuff, I mean, look,

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Speaker 4: there's an overall less and a bitter lesson of the

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Speaker 4: last few months or even you could say last eight years,

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Speaker 4: which is that at the end of the day, the

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Speaker 4: government runs on norms, good faith, integrity, ways of doing

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Speaker 4: things that people have different views accept and it's really

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Speaker 4: that that they've totally raised and so the impact is terrible.

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Speaker 4: And then in addition, I could maybe make some US

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Speaker 4: versus Bondie arguments, US versus bov argument but the real

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Speaker 4: terrible damage is sort of at the cultural functional level.

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Speaker 4: All right, I want to throw you a it's not

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Speaker 4: it won't be a curveball for you, but a curveball

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Speaker 4: in our conversation because I just had a long talk

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Speaker 4: with Jonathan height t you may know from NYU, and

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Speaker 4: his big spiel is how terrible social media has been

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Speaker 4: for younger voters and what a disaster it is for

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Speaker 4: younger generation. And you on the on your on the

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Speaker 4: Zdeo podcast, you really the hardest working woman in podcastree,

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Speaker 4: I must say try and said the fundamental problem with

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Speaker 4: Democrats among the older generation is they can't get online,

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Speaker 4: which is kind of the very opposite of his diagnosis,

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Speaker 4: at least for younger Dems. So I thought that was

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Speaker 4: pretty interesting and I wanted to ask you to splash

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Speaker 4: that out a little.

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Speaker 1: The problem is communication, right, Nobody will argue, maybe they won't,

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Speaker 1: but they're wrong. Joe Biden passed a lot of legislation,

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Speaker 1: really good legislation right on shoring manufacturing, chips and sciences,

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Speaker 1: the thing that Donald Trump just did a whole fuck

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Speaker 1: up about right on shoring manufacturing. Biden actually passed something

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Speaker 1: that would have and has to some extent, got semiconductor

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Speaker 1: chips going in the United States making semiconductor chips. This

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Speaker 1: is seismic stuff. The reason why Biden was unpopular was

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Speaker 1: inflation and an inability to transmit what he was doing.

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Speaker 1: Nobody knew. In fact, you know, there's these Google searches

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Speaker 1: of election Day where people went on their computer to

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Speaker 1: see who was running for president because they thought Biden

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Speaker 1: was still running for president. So this is a big

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Speaker 1: fucking problem. And it comes from the supposition that politics

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Speaker 1: runs downstream of culture. This is a Andrew Breitbart ism.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Breitbart, right wing lunatic died. That guy said politics

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Speaker 1: runs downstream of culture. And what Donald Trump did was

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Speaker 1: he got into the bloodstream of the culture, and so

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Speaker 1: he won the presidency. What Democrats have done studiously is

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Speaker 1: completely stay outside of the culture. And they've done it,

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Speaker 1: I think because they're being advised by people who are

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Speaker 1: terrified of their own shadows. So this is why sometimes

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Speaker 1: you will have a elected who you'll get on your

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Speaker 1: podcast and you'll ask them a question and they'll say

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Speaker 1: ameer Ca because it's Emera and it's c and you'll

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Speaker 1: think this doesn't make any sense, and what the fuck

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Speaker 1: are they doing You've had those elected, and that is

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Speaker 1: the consultant class getting in their brains, making them think

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Speaker 1: that saying nothing is better than saying something. And the

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Speaker 1: reality is the more democrats say nothing, the more they

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Speaker 1: open the door to a Donald Trump to another Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump to And that is how we got here, and

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Speaker 1: that is the only way to get out of it

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Speaker 1: is to have people who run for office, who say

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Speaker 1: English words and are real people and say things like

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Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna do and this is what

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do, and really let you in

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Speaker 1: or at least pretend to enough. Anyway.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Always good and always fun talking to you, Molly.

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Speaker 4: Good luck with the book and see you next month.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Amanda Littman is the co founder of Run

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Speaker 1: for Something and the author of the new book When

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Speaker 1: We're in che The Next Generation's Guide to Leadership. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Fast Politics, Amanda Litman, Thanks Molly.

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Speaker 3: Always delighted to chat.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this book, tell us everything.

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Speaker 3: So the book is called When We're in Charge. It's

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Speaker 3: out this week. It is the Next Generation's Guide to Leadership.

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Speaker 3: And I would say the like one sentence summary is

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Speaker 3: it's how to be an effective leader in this moment

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Speaker 3: without being an asshole to the people you lead.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, so what does that look like?

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Speaker 3: It looks like what does it really mean to be

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Speaker 3: authentic in a way that is not about ego but

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Speaker 3: about serving your team and how you can show up

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Speaker 3: for them. It's about transparency, It's about work life balance.

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Speaker 3: It's about being like a better parent as part of

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Speaker 3: your work, and how you can think about your caregiving responsibilities.

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Speaker 3: It's about your career and ambition. I really I heard

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Speaker 3: someone describe it as like unlike any other business book

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Speaker 3: you've ever read, in a good way. And I like

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Speaker 3: that summary.

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Speaker 1: Right now as actually reading an article you were quoted

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Speaker 1: in today in The Atlantic about these retirements and that

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Speaker 1: they're actually kind of a good sign. So talk us

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Speaker 1: through why you think that. So.

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Speaker 3: I think it is a good thing that we have

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Speaker 3: older democratic leaders retiring. I think they open up space

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Speaker 3: and competitive primaries where the party can really decide what

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Speaker 3: we believe. I think we get to celebrate these leaders'

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Speaker 3: legacies in a way that I think is good for them.

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Speaker 3: When they retire. They get to go out the front door,

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Speaker 3: as I like to describe it, get to like to

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Speaker 3: find their legacy really be celebrated. If they stayed in,

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Speaker 3: almost certainly all of them would be getting challenged, and

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Speaker 3: then they would have to get into a really nasty

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Speaker 3: campaign that would often center about their personal failings. I

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Speaker 3: don't think that would be fun for anyone. So I'm

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Speaker 3: glad to see folks like you know, Gary Peters, Tina Smith,

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Speaker 3: Dick Durbin, and others step aside because it means we

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Speaker 3: get to really like, look at them as patriots. Is

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Speaker 3: putting public service above their egos.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. Trump Is polling is bad,

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Speaker 1: but so we're Democrats, right, their polling is also bad.

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Speaker 1: It seems as if it's largely cave versus fight, not

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Speaker 1: an ideological hostility. The voters are having more of a

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Speaker 1: they don't feel like their people are doing enough for them.

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Speaker 1: What do you think? I mean? I've asked a lot

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Speaker 1: of elected what they could be doing more of. You

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Speaker 1: are pretty versed in all of this, So what do

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Speaker 1: you think they should be doing more of?

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Speaker 3: I think there are things like not confirming any of

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Speaker 3: Trump's nominees through the Senate.

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Speaker 1: So talk us through how that would work.

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Speaker 3: Well, I am not an insider when it comes to

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Speaker 3: Senate procedure, but it was for what I have read,

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Speaker 3: there are mechanics procedural moves in which they need Democrats

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Speaker 3: to vote to approve many of these nominees for things

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Speaker 3: like the Justice Department, some of the judges they want

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Speaker 3: to move through other Senate confirmed positions. Democrats just don't

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Speaker 3: have to give them the votes that we can put

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Speaker 3: sand in the gears in a way that at the

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Speaker 3: very least slows it down because floor time is one

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Speaker 3: of the only resources they cannot get back at some

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Speaker 3: point they have to close out the session. So if

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Speaker 3: we can grind the gears down to a halt, even

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Speaker 3: if we can't ultimately stop some of the harm they're doing,

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Speaker 3: you know, that makes a difference.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it would have been a good idea

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Speaker 1: to shut down the government?

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Speaker 3: I think it's hard to say. I think it would

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Speaker 3: have been a good idea if we knew we were

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Speaker 3: going to vote to keep the government open to have

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Speaker 3: gotten something for that, But that's what I and you have,

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Speaker 3: like extracted any kind of pound of flush in exchange

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Speaker 3: for it. The problem was that Schumer put up a

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Speaker 3: strong posture up until the day of and then was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: just kidding. Here you go, you get my vote, you

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Speaker 3: got a couple others, godspeed, at least get something for it.

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Speaker 3: My dude.

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Speaker 1: It feels like Democrats are still not quite hard enough

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Speaker 1: on Republicans. So we have Chris Murphy has been out

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Speaker 1: there just a ton, which I think has been really good.

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Speaker 1: And then we had Corey Booker do this filibuster which

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Speaker 1: was pretty epic. But a lot of Democratic senators we

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Speaker 1: just haven't seen out there. Am I missing anyone? I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously in the House we've had AOC, We've had Bernie Rocket,

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Speaker 1: Maxwell Frost, But what would you like to see Demko

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Speaker 1: sort of what's your dream to see? You know, if

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Speaker 1: you could say to Reuben Diego, who's a guy with

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Speaker 1: a lot of ambition, like what I'd like to be

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Speaker 1: seeing you doing?

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Speaker 3: Or you know, I think actually Chris van Holland modeled

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Speaker 3: something good here where he has like used his physical

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Speaker 3: presence to push the needle, like going down to El

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Speaker 3: Salvador demanding a meeting with a Brago, like putting out

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Speaker 3: photos and explaining how the photos that they put out

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Speaker 3: were propaganda.

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Speaker 1: Like that's good.

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Speaker 3: More of that, I would say we had in Worcestern Massachusetts.

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Speaker 3: One of the city council members there, whose name I'm

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Speaker 3: going to butcher because I've only ever read it and

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Speaker 3: never said it. So comes a woman adal A Jaj

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Speaker 3: I think who has a run for something, alum who

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Speaker 3: literally put her body in front of ice trying to

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Speaker 3: detain a young woman and her child, Like, put your

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Speaker 3: body on the line, make it, make a spectacle. Spectacle

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Speaker 3: is good. Spectacle gets attention, Attention gets reached, reach gets

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Speaker 3: votes ultimately eventually.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good point. What I think is interesting.

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Speaker 1: So for example, Trump is wants to get this plane

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Speaker 1: from the Qatari royal family. It's a four hundred MILANDAR plane.

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Speaker 1: There are a number of reasons why Trump shouldn't have

650
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Speaker 1: his plane, right from the emolument's cause to the national

651
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Speaker 1: security problems.

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Speaker 3: Going to be chock full a spyware. What do we

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Speaker 3: do when there.

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Speaker 1: At every point this is an insane idea. It's so

655
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Speaker 1: insane that Cynthia Lumis when asked about it, burst out laughing. Okay,

656
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Speaker 1: Cynthia lumis pretty trumpy, burst out laughing. So question is here,

657
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Speaker 1: what can Democrats do? Like is there a legislative push,

658
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Speaker 1: Like what can Democrats do here can they get hearings going?

659
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Speaker 1: I mean, what can what's the play?

660
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Speaker 3: I think, drawing as much media attention to it as possible.

661
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Speaker 3: I know I was talking without this so so and

662
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Speaker 3: is sort of like divorced from politics yesterday last night,

663
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Speaker 3: and they were trying to explain to me, like it

664
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Speaker 3: feels so obviously corrupt that it can't be true. It's

665
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Speaker 3: almost ludicrous, like, of course, you can't take a four

666
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Speaker 3: hundred million dollars million dollar plane on a foreign government

667
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Speaker 3: that you can then keep after it. That's that's like

668
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Speaker 3: so quid pro quo corruption that it feels ludicrous. But

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Speaker 3: I think for most people that are like, well, it

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Speaker 3: can't happen, but we got to keep just calling attention

671
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Speaker 3: to it, Like I want to see members of Congress

672
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Speaker 3: standing in front of clodiums, going in front of town halls,

673
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Speaker 3: storming podcasts, talking about how you know, you don't feel

674
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Speaker 3: getting feel safe getting on a flight right now because

675
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Speaker 3: he fired all those air traffic controllers, he's taken a

676
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Speaker 3: four hundred million dollar jet from Qatar. That I mean,

677
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Speaker 3: pretty compelling storyline even right now, forget about the corruption,

678
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Speaker 3: Like we don't feel safe getting on a plane he's

679
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Speaker 3: getting on one funded by the Qatari government.

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Speaker 1: So we are coming down the sort of the beginning

681
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Speaker 1: of the runway for the midterms is going to be

682
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Speaker 1: probably the most consequentrol mid terms of our young lives.

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Speaker 1: I love that I'm making it sound like we're this image.

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Speaker 1: What since we're both in our early thirties, what are

685
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Speaker 1: you hearing? What are you seeing in Run for Something world?

686
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Speaker 1: And what is giving you hope?

687
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Speaker 3: So Run for Something has had more than forty five

688
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Speaker 3: thousand people raise their hands to say they want to

689
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Speaker 3: run just since the election. That's six months. That's more

690
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Speaker 3: than we had in the first three years of Trump's

691
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Speaker 3: first term. So huge ways of young people saying I

692
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Speaker 3: want to run for office. I eyve even a handful

693
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Speaker 3: of them, more than a handful really do get on

694
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Speaker 3: the ballot in twenty twenty six, which I expect you

695
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Speaker 3: will see. They are going to change what the Democratic

696
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Speaker 3: Party looks like, both quite literally, They're going to be

697
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Speaker 3: a different kind of Democrat. They're going to communicate differently,

698
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Speaker 3: They're going to show up in different communication channels, they're

699
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 3: going to use the Internet differently, and so many of

700
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Speaker 3: them are running on things that are really practical to

701
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Speaker 3: folks like affordable housing, stopping book bands, spanning health care access,

702
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Speaker 3: and also being able to tell the story of how

703
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: they've been fired or gotten screwed over by Trump and Elon.

704
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Speaker 3: I think it's really personal stories in a way that

705
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Speaker 3: drives a good store of the narrative or a good campaign.

706
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Speaker 3: I do think housing is going to be the thing

707
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Speaker 3: on the local level more so than anything else, because

708
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Speaker 3: it is the thing that is directly affecting people's cost

709
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Speaker 3: of living, and Trump's going to crash the housing market,

710
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Speaker 3: which is already really bad.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like the people you're getting are people

712
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Speaker 1: who are angry about the status quo, about what democrats

713
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Speaker 1: have done? What does it look like the people who

714
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Speaker 1: are coming to you.

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Speaker 3: It's definitely a lot of folks who are like, why

716
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Speaker 3: are my leaders not fighting for me? Where are the

717
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 3: folks who are like, really going to pay attention to

718
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Speaker 3: how this is affecting my life. I am really inspired

719
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Speaker 3: by the people who are looking around at the kind

720
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 3: of harassment attention that some elected officials are getting and

721
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: saying I'm going to do this anyway, Like I'm going

722
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Speaker 3: to be brave enough to change my life and change

723
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Speaker 3: my career, think, Oh, we're hearing from a lot of

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Speaker 3: folks that they are running on representation in kind of

725
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Speaker 3: a different way than you might think, Like it's not

726
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Speaker 3: just you know, there's no women, there's no people. Call

727
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Speaker 3: it all that, like, there's no one who understands what

728
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Speaker 3: it's like to be a normal person right now, no

729
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Speaker 3: one in this body of government will understands what it's

730
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Speaker 3: like to be a renter, who understands what it's like

731
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Speaker 3: to have kids in childcare, who understands what it's like

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Speaker 3: to you know, have your fellow ship gate defunded by

733
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Speaker 3: the federal government. It is really sort of like a

734
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Speaker 3: lived experience failure on behalf of our elected leaders. And

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Speaker 3: the finolopiece i'd say is we're getting a lot of

736
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Speaker 3: people who are like, I am so angry. Why is

737
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Speaker 3: my leadership not as angry as I am. They're making

738
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Speaker 3: me feel gas lit, They're making me feel crazy for

739
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 3: being this nad and they shouldn't, like I'm right be pissed.

740
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Speaker 3: So I think that's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: Ted is a good thing. I want you to say

742
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Speaker 1: more about the housing stuff.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that runs for something civics, which

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Speaker 3: is our c three ARM is going to be doing

745
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Speaker 3: over the next couple of years. Hopefully is be trying

746
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Speaker 3: to get more renters to run for office. Ninety three

747
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Speaker 3: percent of elected officials are homeowners. Thirty five percent of

748
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Speaker 3: Americans are renters, and that number is going up as

749
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Speaker 3: the housing market gets harder and harder to enter. In

750
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Speaker 3: some states, the number of rent of homeowners. I think

751
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Speaker 3: it's only one state within where homeowners breaks fifty percent.

752
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Speaker 3: Among young people, we go under thirty five. It is

753
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Speaker 3: so hard right now if you are a twenty or

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Speaker 3: thirty something to buy a home. Invent is getting more

755
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Speaker 3: and more expensive everywhere, urban environments, rural environments, suburban everything

756
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Speaker 3: in between. And you know, I am a big believer

757
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Speaker 3: in that every story is a housing story, kind of

758
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Speaker 3: like you know, New York, every story is a real

759
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Speaker 3: estate story. Every story is a housing story. The loneliness

760
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Speaker 3: crisis is about housing. Build. The return to office situation

761
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Speaker 3: is about housing. Childcare is about housing because if you

762
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Speaker 3: can't afford to live where you want to live, you

763
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 3: can't afford to live how you want to live. It's

764
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Speaker 3: about autonomy, it's about the American dream. Housing is all

765
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Speaker 3: of it. So one of the reasons that we want

766
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Speaker 3: to make sure we're getting more renters to run for

767
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Speaker 3: office is because we need folks who personally understand how

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Speaker 3: it feels to be a twenty or thirty something entering

769
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Speaker 3: the housing and rent market right now, and two who

770
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Speaker 3: come in with a different lived perspective on why we

771
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Speaker 3: need to build more housing as homeowners no offense. I

772
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 3: don't know if you own your apartment or when where

773
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 3: you live by like homeowners psychologically don't necessarily want more

774
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Speaker 3: housing to get built because it may lower the value

775
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Speaker 3: of their home and that's usually where most of their

776
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Speaker 3: wealth is. That's a problem because we need to build more.

777
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Speaker 3: So I'm really excited about this effort and excited to

778
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Speaker 3: keep talking about it. And I think is important to

779
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: raise the identity of renter or tenant as part of

780
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Speaker 3: your political identity because it changes the way you think

781
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Speaker 3: about how you show up at the polls. Who's fighting

782
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Speaker 3: for you as a renter.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. There's been a lot of talk about it

784
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Speaker 1: is a democratic tea party. It strikes me that Democrats

785
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Speaker 1: had a chance to stop a Democratic tea party and

786
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Speaker 1: they didn't, and that what they're going to see in

787
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Speaker 1: the midterms is going to be the kind of rage

788
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Speaker 1: is going to be because they were insufficiently hysterical about

789
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Speaker 1: trump Ism, and that had they been a little more

790
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen ish, they wouldn't be losing their jobs the

791
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Speaker 1: way they're going to in the midterms. Do you think

792
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Speaker 1: that's right, and say more totally. I think that's right.

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Speaker 3: I think being an incumbent is such an advantage, Like

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Speaker 3: it's really hard to unsee an incumbent in a primary

795
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Speaker 3: and in a general, but especially in a primary. You

796
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Speaker 3: have every possible political connection, you can raise a fuck

797
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Speaker 3: ton of money. It's just it's so beneficial that if

798
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Speaker 3: you are feeling afraid for your job, if you feel

799
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Speaker 3: like a primary challenge is actually threatening you, it's because

800
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Speaker 3: you're not doing a good job, Like you have every

801
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Speaker 3: possible advantage. If you lose a primary, it's because you

802
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Speaker 3: have failed to meet the moment in some meaningful way.

803
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 3: They could have fixed this early on. Now there's candidates

804
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Speaker 3: all across the country who have already launched campaigns and

805
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Speaker 3: aren't preparing to launch campaigns against incumbents. I think those

806
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 3: will be good because the incumbents that win, great, They're

807
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: going to move on to the general, and the ones

808
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: that lose weren't doing it doing it right to be

809
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Speaker 3: in the first place.

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Speaker 1: So when you look at the map right now, in

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty six map, I think a lot about

812
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Speaker 1: a candidate in Nebraska called Dan Osborne. He rejected the

813
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Speaker 1: Democratic moniker. He said he was an independent. He may

814
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Speaker 1: run again. Talk us through if you think there's a

815
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Speaker 1: future in red states for candidates like that.

816
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Speaker 3: I definitely think that there is an opportunity for candidates

817
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Speaker 3: to set themselves apart from the party. There's certainly a

818
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Speaker 3: challenge in terms of ballot access and how it works

819
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Speaker 3: in any given state of a kind of infrastructure you're

820
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Speaker 3: able to access as an independent, but it's so place

821
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Speaker 3: and race specific. But I think certainly positioning yourself as

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Speaker 3: an outsider or a challenger against the party is a

823
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Speaker 3: good thing in many places.

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Speaker 1: But is there room for a kind of populist wing

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Speaker 1: of the party. One of the things that Trump was

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Speaker 1: able to do was he was able to secure white,

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Speaker 1: non college educated and also some minority voters. I think

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Speaker 1: it may not be the numbers which were advertised, but

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Speaker 1: so he got a share of the working class that

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Speaker 1: Democrats maybe gave away, maybe because they felt they couldn't

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Speaker 1: promise them things that they wanted. Do you think there's

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Speaker 1: an opportunity for Democrats to connect with that working class voter?

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Speaker 1: And if so, what do you think the things they

834
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Speaker 1: should be doing are.

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Speaker 3: I think it's really messenger specific. I think that there

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Speaker 3: are candidates who can outperform the top of a ticket

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Speaker 3: and who data worn to tap of the ticket in

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Speaker 3: a meaningful way. I also, I'm really curious to see

839
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six how many of those folks fall

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Speaker 3: away from the Republican Party when Trump is not on

841
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Speaker 3: the ballot. That's not to say I don't think Democrats

842
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Speaker 3: shouldn't fight for them, shouldn't make a case for them,

843
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 3: should be present. But you know, Trump is kind of

844
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Speaker 3: an anomaly, not in his necessarily his policies, but in

845
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Speaker 3: the brand that he has built. You know, the entire

846
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Speaker 3: party holds his beliefs at this point, but they don't

847
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Speaker 3: always win when they espouse them. And we've seen this

848
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Speaker 3: in like the Republican primary process in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: You know, Ron DeSantis tried to be Trump Junior or

850
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Speaker 3: Trump light rather, and it doesn't work because if you

851
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Speaker 3: don't have his Chrismon. You don't have his brand, you

852
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Speaker 3: can't stick. So I'll be really curious to see, with

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Speaker 3: Trump never being on the ballot again, which he will

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Speaker 3: not be, what happens with the Republican Party. Actually, I

855
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Speaker 3: don't think we talk enough about that of Trump's a

856
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Speaker 3: lame duck while watching his cabinet members sort of position

857
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Speaker 3: themselves already. JD. Vance is not going to walk into

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Speaker 3: that primary without a fight. It could be fun to

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Speaker 3: watch them eat their own Can.

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Speaker 1: You imagine, like JD. Van to v Marco v. DeSantis,

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Speaker 1: I mean against Christine Nome. Don't forget her little police

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Speaker 1: barbide Christine Nome. Jesus Christ. It's hard to imagine there's

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Speaker 1: a clear front runner in that crew.

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Speaker 3: No, and I don't think it'll be easy for any

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Speaker 3: of them because while they're all shameless and bi get

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Speaker 3: it in their own right, none of them can do

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Speaker 3: it in the same way that Trump can do.

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Speaker 1: Not envy their futures, yeah, h I do not either

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Speaker 1: a man, and also I don't envy any of our futures. Well,

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Speaker 1: Amanda Litman, I hope you'll come back.

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Speaker 3: I will always come back. Thank you for giving me

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Speaker 3: a chance to talk politics and also remind me able

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Speaker 3: to pick up my book, which is now out in

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Speaker 3: stores when we're in charge wherever you get your books.

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Speaker 1: No moment, Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 2: My so, over the weekend Trump enacted price controls for

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Speaker 2: drugs and I was told during the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: presidential campaign that that was downright communist and comrade Kamala

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Speaker 2: Harris doing that or Burnie, Oh my god, what are

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Speaker 2: we thinking? And then now Trump has done it. RFK Junior,

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Speaker 2: though funny enough, has a theory. What's behind this?

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Speaker 1: Yes, tell me more.

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Speaker 5: President Trump was taking money from the pharmaceutical industry to

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Speaker 5: the way they think, you know, one hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 5: He can't be bought, unlike most of the politicians in

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Speaker 5: this country, and he is standing here for the American people.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what you know. There's there's writers like

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Speaker 5: my Lord Elizabeth Warrener Robert Reichler just saying that President

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Speaker 5: Trump is on this side of the oligar.

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Speaker 1: What of eloquid speaking to see where his head is at?

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Speaker 1: You know, this is a man who swims in Rock

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Speaker 1: Creek Park. Damn. I was going to get to that.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, everyone's favorite. Look, I don't know, maybe

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Speaker 1: some of that Rock Creek water is true telling serum.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's a great philosophy.

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Speaker 2: Sodium pedothal in the sewage water?

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, the best Heliody Impede all in

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Speaker 1: the sewage order.

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Speaker 2: Right, sounds like one of his conspiracy theories. Truth be told.

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Speaker 1: Listen, man, it's not surprising, but it is insane, like

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Speaker 1: everything in this administration. That's it for this episode of

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