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Speaker 1: guys with this Wall Street Journal story. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is the central story around Epstein. Perhaps it explains a

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Speaker 1: throw that up there? We have a new major revelation

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Speaker 1: here from the Wall Streetjournal. Now keep in mind, the

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Speaker 1: couple of days that the Wall Street Journal or one

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Speaker 1: regarding Donald Trump's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. It turned out

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Speaker 1: that as Trump himself, and we'll get to this later on,

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Speaker 1: is that Donald J. Trump, according to them, submitted a

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Speaker 1: letter for Jeffrey Epstein's fiftieth birthday album. It was a

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Speaker 1: of Epstein's friends, including Leslie Wexner and Alan Dershowitz. But

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Speaker 1: The year was two thousand and three, and allegedly the

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Speaker 1: book was compiled by Galaine Maxwell. Now, the actual text

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Speaker 1: and description of the letter is very interesting because definitely,

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Speaker 1: So here's how they describe it. It isn't clear how

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Speaker 1: the letter with Trump's signature was prepared. Inside the outline

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Speaker 1: having everything, The note began, Donald, Yes there is, but

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Speaker 1: to think of it, Donald, Enigmas. Never eight have you

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Speaker 1: A pal is a wonderful thing. Happy birthday. May every

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Speaker 1: day be another wonderful secret. So yeah, what do we

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Speaker 1: think of this? Guys? What do we think? Emily?

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot to obviously, there's a lot for

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Speaker 3: don't know what you would call it. It's not a poem,

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Speaker 1: To a hypothetical dialogue, a play, you know, a play

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Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal vociferously denying it. In the story. His

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Speaker 3: But I think, Sager, one thing that's worth noting here

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Speaker 1: She's got a good track record. Yeah. Actually, if you

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Speaker 1: Kadija Safdar, and she has two previous reports from twenty

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Speaker 1: the person who published the Wall Street Journal report that

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Speaker 1: So all I'm saying is that you know a lot

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Speaker 1: I think specifically it's really worth Griff. Do you want

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Speaker 1: to read what Trump said from the story we have

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Speaker 1: in here somewhere from the journal. Trump denied writing the letter.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, I'll let you read it out. It's from

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal piece. It's in the first couple.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I got it right here.

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Speaker 5: In an interview with the Journal on Tuesday evening, Trump

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Speaker 4: This is not me.

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Speaker 5: This is a fake thing. It's a fake Wall Street

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Speaker 5: Journal story. I never wrote a picture in my life.

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Speaker 5: I don't draw pictures of women. It's not my language,

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Speaker 5: it's not my words. I'm gonna sue the Wall Street Journal,

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Speaker 5: just like I sued everyone else.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and then grit that language and those are black

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Speaker 1: part is definitely his language. Let's go and put his

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Speaker 1: initial reaction from the story, and basically it's it is.

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Speaker 1: By the way, this is a very useful picture into

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Speaker 1: how big media and all of that works with Rupert Murdoch.

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Speaker 1: Keep in mind, the Wall Street Journal is owned by

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Speaker 1: Rupert Murdoch, who owns News Corp. So here, I'll go

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Speaker 1: ahead and read it. The Wall Street Journal and Rupert

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Speaker 1: Murdoch personally were warned directly by President J. Trump the

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Speaker 1: supposed letter they were printed by Trump to Epstein was

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Speaker 1: Mister Murdoch stated he would take care of it, but

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Speaker 1: directly by Caroline Levitt and by President Trump that the

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Speaker 1: letter was fake. But Emma Tucker, keep in mind, Emma

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Speaker 1: didn't want to hear that. Instead, they are going with false,

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Speaker 1: malicious and defamatory story. Anyway, President Trump will be suing

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal News Corp. And mister Murdoch. Shortly,

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Speaker 1: as it pertains to President Trump, this information would have

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal printed a fake letter. These are

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Speaker 1: not my words, not the way I talk. I don't

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Speaker 1: draw pictures. I told Murdoch it was a scam. He

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Speaker 1: going to sue his ass off that out of his

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Speaker 1: third rate newspaper. Thank you for this attention to this matter, DJT.

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Speaker 1: So people are you know? First of all, it shows

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Speaker 1: that Trump has a power to call Rupert Murdoch and

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Speaker 1: the Pharaoh noose story was being reported in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 1: Rupert Murdoch had personally invested hundred million dollars actually with

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Holmes. Elizabeth Holmes called Murdoch and was like, dude,

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Speaker 1: your investment as well as everybody else. And Murdoch was like, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I don't interfere with the operations of the

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal. Just keep that in mind, you know,

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Speaker 1: will say, Szger, fact, Yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Well I was going to say we should also mention

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Speaker 3: and maybe this is exactly where you were about to go.

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Speaker 3: Oliver Darcy, who is a media reporter, broke news in

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Speaker 3: a very medicense that the Wall Street Journal was working

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Speaker 1: scam perpetrated by the Democrats should end right now. But

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Speaker 1: let's actually linger on these grand jury documents, because this

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Speaker 1: is really important. First, First of all, these are not

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Speaker 1: the Epstein files, guys. The grand jury documents that they

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Speaker 1: are referring to are specifically the twenty and nineteen grand

435
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Speaker 1: jury or twenty nineteen indictment and grand jury documents that

436
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Speaker 1: were used to prepare the indictment against Epstein in twenty nineteen. Okay,

437
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Speaker 1: that is not the totality of all of the information

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Speaker 1: that the government has on Epstein. Let's also look very

439
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Speaker 1: specifically at the word all pertinent grand jury testimony. What

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Speaker 1: does that mean all pertinent granted? No, no, no, no

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Speaker 1: release all the grand jury testimony. So we're already kind

442
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Speaker 1: of scoping it. Second is that the reason that this

443
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Speaker 1: grand jury testimony in documents have not been released is

444
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Speaker 1: actually because Maureen Comy, whenever she was the SDNY prosecutor

445
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Speaker 1: on the case, went to the judge and said, hey,

446
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Speaker 1: this needs to remain under seal because Glaine Maxwell's process

447
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Speaker 1: continues to be under review and if this comes out,

448
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Speaker 1: it could actually violate Ghalaine Maxwell's right to do process.

449
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Speaker 1: And the judge actually agreed with her, at least partially

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Speaker 1: in that case. And so there's going to be all

451
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Speaker 1: kinds of legal wrangling around this because it actually could

452
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Speaker 1: put the Maxwell trial or the subsequent legal appellate stuff

453
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Speaker 1: that's happening right now in danger. It will take weeks,

454
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Speaker 1: if not months, for something like this to happen. You

455
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Speaker 1: can go to a judge, listen, I mean, does anybody

456
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Speaker 1: know how the federal court system works? Like people don't

457
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Speaker 1: just magically waive or release button. The thing that Trump

458
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Speaker 1: does have the ability to do is to declassify all

459
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Speaker 1: of this other information that allegedly they've been working on

460
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Speaker 1: now for six months. Remember cash Ptel said that they

461
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Speaker 1: had dozens of agents working on the case compiling information.

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Speaker 1: That's something that is under your purview that could be released.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, I just think that this is

464
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Speaker 1: another misdirect where you know, MAGA forces are trying to

465
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Speaker 1: be like, see, like we're getting transparency, and I'm like, guys,

466
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Speaker 1: this is just a I mean, to be honest, I'm

467
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Speaker 1: not saying it's a nothing burger. All information is good information,

468
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Speaker 1: but it's not the Epstein files in any way that

469
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Speaker 1: we're promised because remember that the government's case against Epstein

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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen still only really focused on Epstein, Like

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Speaker 1: it's a very narrowly terror tailor charges that don't implicate

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Speaker 1: a broader circle, and they definitely don't get into the

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Speaker 1: source of his money and his finances.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, Griffin. I don't know if you had

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Speaker 3: something to say, but I just wanted to add this

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Speaker 3: entire book is well worth the Wall Street Journal printing.

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Speaker 3: At this point. One of the things that's most convincing

478
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Speaker 3: about this document is that it's part of a larger

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Speaker 3: book in which the other notes appear to be well

480
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Speaker 3: within character and Trump should be furious at Pamp Bondi

481
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Speaker 3: because the only reason we are now mired in a

482
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Speaker 3: week plus long news cycle about Jeffrey Epstein is that

483
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Speaker 3: Pamp Bondy maybe Trump told her to do this, we

484
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Speaker 3: don't know that yet, but Pamp Bondy moved in the

485
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Speaker 3: most ham fisted possible way to close the case and

486
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Speaker 3: say quote no, further disclosures would be warranted. And if

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Speaker 3: Pamp Bondy had handled this with a modicum more just

488
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Speaker 3: pure like logic and competence from a public relations perspective,

489
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Speaker 3: and that's a very cynical way to look at it,

490
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Speaker 3: but it's from the politics. It's completely true. The only

491
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Speaker 3: reason this is now dogging Trump over the last week

492
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Speaker 3: or so is because Bondie said, literally like case clothes,

493
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Speaker 3: wrapping it up, nothing more to see here, which set

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Speaker 3: all of this off. So it's it's the understanding. The

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Speaker 3: truth of what happened is and always has been muddled

496
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Speaker 3: by the politics because people at the Wall Street Journal,

497
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Speaker 3: Rupert Murdoch have you know, important, powerful relationships with people

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Speaker 3: like Donald Trump and others who are potentially implicated in

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Speaker 3: the Epstein world. And that's just going to be interstrict

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Speaker 3: inextricably intertwined with our ability to know what the hell

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Speaker 3: actually happened, is that we are seeing this through the

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Speaker 3: glass of politics, and the glass is cracked and smudged

503
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Speaker 3: because people want it that way, and this is another

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Speaker 3: example of that. So it's hard to separate the two

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Speaker 3: at this point. But the letter in itself, I think

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Speaker 3: that's an important observation, saga is not it's extremely weird.

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Speaker 3: It's extremely weird. It's not directly criminating. Yeah, it's not

508
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Speaker 3: a smoking gun. It's weird as hell. It looks really

509
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Speaker 3: really bad, and it seems to be real. At this point,

510
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Speaker 3: Trump probably could have managed this without basically inviting people

511
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Speaker 3: to leak and prove him wrong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all he had to do was release it and then, yeah,

513
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Speaker 1: maybe some of this would have come out. But you

514
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Speaker 1: know the I mean, I'm assuming that there's probably something

515
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Speaker 1: in there that's a lot worse for a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: especially with the financial transactions. I mean, one of the

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Speaker 1: things that I again I know, a broken record, but

518
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Speaker 1: it's very important to actually understand, like what quote Epstein

519
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Speaker 1: files should mean here. Let me try I'm a boomer,

520
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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna try my best to share my screen

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Speaker 1: because there was a big report yesterday by Ron Wyden,

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Speaker 1: and look I get it, Maga, Yes he's a Democrat,

523
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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But you know, Ron Wyden has been

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Speaker 1: actually working on the Epstein case for quite some time,

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Speaker 1: and he is the Senate Finance Chairman. He says that

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Speaker 1: the government is sitting on secret bank filings showing one

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Speaker 1: point five billion dollars in suspicious wire transfers by Epstein,

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Speaker 1: involving some of the most powerful people in the world. Now,

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Speaker 1: as I said here, how about we release those So

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Speaker 1: the thing is, the story is extraordinary. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: because I know a lot of people in Washington do

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Speaker 1: listen to the show, if you are one of the

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Speaker 1: people who was able to review these documents, please contact me.

534
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Speaker 1: I've been dressfully trying to get into contact with you.

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Speaker 1: So the way that this all went down, apparently is

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Speaker 1: last year the Treasury Department allowed Ron Wyden and members

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Speaker 1: of the House or the Senate Financial Services Committee to

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Speaker 1: sit and review suspicious activities reports filed by four of

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Speaker 1: the biggest banks in the world. Those suspicious activities reports

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Speaker 1: detail one point five billion in suspicious transactions by Epstein

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Speaker 1: in and out of his accounts very often to Russian

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Speaker 1: banks to Eastern European women. It fits exactly with the

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Speaker 1: pattern laid out by the New York Findncial Services Department

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Speaker 1: in their fine against Deutsche Bank, except the totality of

545
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Speaker 1: the money is insane because we're talking about one point

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Speaker 1: five billion in wire transfers. The Treasury Department right now

547
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Speaker 1: is sitting on that information. Whenever they allowed the Senate

548
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Speaker 1: to look at it, they refuse to let them make

549
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Speaker 1: copies and only let them make handwritten notes in a

550
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Speaker 1: classified setting which have yet to be released. All we

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Speaker 1: know is the number of one point five billion. So again,

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Speaker 1: if you're one of the people who saw those, please

553
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Speaker 1: contact me. I would like to do if you're a

554
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Speaker 1: treasure But yeah, if you're in the Treasury Department and

555
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Speaker 1: you have at one point, I will protect your identity.

556
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Speaker 1: But the point is that the government is sitting on

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Speaker 1: that right now that is not subject to any private

558
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Speaker 1: like they could. They could release that today if they

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Speaker 1: wanted to. Same with the IRS, which has all of

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Speaker 1: this documentation around all of these trust accounts and other

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Speaker 1: things that were linked to them. Release even just one

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Speaker 1: or even review one of the guy's tax returns, How

563
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Speaker 1: did where did the money come from? It's all in there.

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Speaker 1: This is America, you were, I forget it's from the wire,

565
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: but it's something's like in this country, somebody's name is

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Speaker 1: on somebody's piece of paper somewhere. It just is okay,

567
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Speaker 1: And you can follow the paper trail if you want to,

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Speaker 1: if you're actually motivated. And in the words of Lester Freeman,

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Speaker 1: if you start to follow the money, you don't know

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Speaker 1: where the fuck it's gonna take you. And this is

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Speaker 1: one of those where what we're watching is a bastardization

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Speaker 1: of like what the alleged Epsteine files and all that were.

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Speaker 1: And then, like you said, politically, it's just pretty obvious

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Speaker 1: that this is entirely a fault of their own making.

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Speaker 1: Like they said, the case was closed, which reignited public interests,

576
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Speaker 1: which exposed a cover up, which then had people digging

577
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Speaker 1: even more. I mean, is there any reality where this book,

578
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Speaker 1: report or whatever would have come out if Trump had

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Speaker 1: actually released much of the information. No, it would have

580
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Speaker 1: been it would have been like a WikiLeaks dump. You know,

581
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Speaker 1: everybody would have gone deep into it. So yeah, I

582
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: think the whole thing is really but it is also

583
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Speaker 1: proof to me of how at the end of the day,

584
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Speaker 1: MAGA will fall in line. And I think that's important

585
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Speaker 1: as well for people to understand with the Iran thing

586
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: like this is gonna be a job of like people

587
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Speaker 1: who are actually independent minded. And yes, unfortunately now because

588
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Speaker 1: it's polarized, democrats and the mainstream media, like I don't

589
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: really see a way out of this. Yeah, exactly, Here

590
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Speaker 1: we have JD Vance's tweet. He says, forgive my language,

591
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Speaker 1: but this story is complete and utter bullshit. The Wall

592
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: Street Journal should be ashamed for publishing it. Where is

593
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Speaker 1: this letter? Would you be shocked to learn they never

594
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Speaker 1: showed it to us before publishing? Does anyone honestly believe

595
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Speaker 1: this sounds like Donald Trump? Follow up Griffin, He had

596
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Speaker 1: a reply there as well. I forget exactly what it was.

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Speaker 1: If you just scroll down, Okay, go ahead, if we

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Speaker 1: scroll down and look at it, Yeah, it doesn't it

599
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Speaker 1: violate some rule of journalistic ethics to publish a letter

600
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Speaker 1: like this without showing it to the victim of this

601
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Speaker 1: hit piece. Will the people who have bought into every

602
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Speaker 1: hoax against President Shump show an ounce of skepticism before

603
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 1: into this bizarre story? And so again, I mean, I

604
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: don't think that the I really don't think that the

605
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: Journal that the Journal did anything quote wrong, except for

606
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Speaker 1: not publishing it. And it's not even about showing it

607
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: to Trump. It's for all of us because in a sense,

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Speaker 1: they have just invited this reaction. Yeah, here example, Representative

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Speaker 1: Anna Pauline A Luna. Please don't show this to Wall

610
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Speaker 1: Street Journal. It's a hand sketch. They may think I'm

611
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Speaker 1: a sex trafficker. You know, I've seen even many people

612
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Speaker 1: who are extraordinarily critical of Trump's handling of the Epstein

613
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Speaker 1: files immediately just been like, Hey, this is complete bullshit.

614
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Speaker 1: There's no way this is real. It's obviously a hoax.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, look, I'm open to it. It would be

616
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Speaker 1: a pretty extraordinary journalistic scandal if it was. But at

617
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, the fact that they ran

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Speaker 1: with it and it went through standards and Murdoch and

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Speaker 1: the entire Murdoch empires putting their entire financial future on

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Speaker 1: the line, I guess it's possible they did it with dominion,

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Speaker 1: but you know, Trump's gonna have to prove it. I

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Speaker 1: just see, I see a bungling era of just epic

623
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Speaker 1: epic proportions.

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Speaker 5: I mean, wouldn't it be like, wouldn't it be like

625
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 5: career suicide to like post this. I mean, you're you're coming,

626
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Speaker 5: You're coming at the King with birthday letters and you

627
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Speaker 5: best not miss I mean, I guess my question for

628
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 5: you guys is, like why haven't they not released it?

629
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Speaker 5: Like shouldn't they just turn it into like a coffee

630
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Speaker 5: book or something and start selling it, And like, you know,

631
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Speaker 5: on top of that, like it might even at this

632
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Speaker 5: point help Trump for it to all be released, because

633
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Speaker 5: it's not just Trump in there.

634
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Speaker 4: There's like fifty other names in there, and there's like.

635
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Speaker 5: A lot of other smoke and a lot of other

636
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Speaker 5: ways to kind of take it with with other letters

637
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 5: from other people. So like, I don't see, like it

638
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 5: seems like it would help almost both sides for it

639
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 5: to just all be released at this point, try and

640
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Speaker 5: release it.

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Speaker 3: The Justice Department has it. I mean, that's the The

642
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Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal says it's part of the Justice Department

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Speaker 3: document document.

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Speaker 1: Here is my theory and this is a quote from

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Speaker 1: the story pages from the Leatherbound album assembled from Epstein.

646
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: We're first arrested in six are a month. Documents examined

647
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: by Justice Department officials who investigated Epstein in Maxwell years ago.

648
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: According to people who have reviewed the pages, it is

649
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: unclear if any of them are part of the Trump

650
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: administration's review. The Justice Department documents is so called Epstein files,

651
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: and who are in them are at the center of

652
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: the storm consuming that. But here's my theory. The Journal

653
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: doesn't have the book. The Justice Department has the book.

654
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: Somebody in the DOJ leaked a photo or a filing

655
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: of the book and the paper to the Journal. This

656
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: is just my theory. It's pure speculation that is the

657
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: source and why they had to print it by hand.

658
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: So like, for example, remember that whole Reality Winner scandal.

659
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: Whenever the NSA sent those docums, she sent those documents

660
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: from the NSA or whoever she was working for to

661
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: the Intercept, and the way that she got caught was

662
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: by distributing the screenshots of the print out. So very often, guys,

663
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: just to explain this, for classified settings or legal documentation,

664
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Speaker 1: they'll have distinguishing marks actually on the page themselves, and

665
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: that way, if that were to ever come out, it

666
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: would be easy to identify whoever leaked that, like a

667
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: unique identifier or something. Think about like a what's it called,

668
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: like a pagemark or something like that, you know, whenever

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Speaker 1: it's like not for public consumption, that type of thing.

670
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: That's my theory as to why they have not released

671
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: it a watermark, Yeah, exactly, that's my personal theory for

672
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Speaker 1: why it has not yet been released.

673
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Speaker 3: I think that's a very strong theory. I think that's

674
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Speaker 3: me yeah, right, which means the Justice Department could could

675
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 3: show us the whole book right now.

676
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: Right, And that's the thing about Trump is now, well

677
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: it sets up a very interesting incentive because now Trump's

678
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: like I'm an under attack by the deep state and

679
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: all this, and it's like, bro, you can just release it.

680
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: You know. It's like you could have just released it,

681
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: and again it would have just been one of many

682
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: different stories that are that are in there, and yeah,

683
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: it's the whole thing is very interesting.

684
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, kind of right, Like there's just so many other

685
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 5: people to look at here, and but it just seems

686
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 5: like Trump is having an credibly emotional reaction to what

687
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 5: seems like a very intimate, almost loving relationship with Epstein

688
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 5: to like a level that I don't think we've really

689
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 5: fully seen before. I Mean, we've heard about them being

690
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 5: best friends. We've heard about them playing like weird games

691
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 5: in an elevator I think from a woman in the past,

692
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 5: but this seemed to be just the most kind of

693
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Speaker 5: like they are partners in crime. I mean, it kind

694
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 5: of felt like a if I did it, OJ Simpson

695
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 5: type of moment, like it's where everyone's.

696
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Speaker 1: Really you know, suspicious man. And I'm telling you, I

697
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: genuinely didn't believe most of the Trump. I thought, all right,

698
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: Trump is a sleazy guy, not a surprise to anybody, right, Uh. Trump,

699
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, had the on the record quote. Trump is

700
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Speaker 1: a philanderer and for years bragged about his sexual prowess

701
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: with young women to the tabloids. So I was like, okay,

702
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I thought that was baked in.

703
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: And then to the extent that the whole apscene thing

704
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, you know Epstein and all these like

705
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: pretty victorious secret models and all that Trump was involved

706
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: with the beauty pageant, but nothing beyond what kind of

707
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: was already out in the open. I was like, you know,

708
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: but the thing is now is his reaction is just

709
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: so sketchy and weird that it really kind of does

710
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: make me think that there might be something else there

711
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: because you have Elon saying it right. And then that's

712
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Speaker 1: another theory of mine, is that the reason that the

713
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Speaker 1: journey that the FBI and the Attorney General went so

714
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: hard in the paint about shutting things down was maybe

715
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: like a political response to Elon Musk. I think that's

716
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: very probable. Yeah, I'm not one hundred percent sure.

717
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 3: Right, and that truck may have nudged Bondy to do

718
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: it that way.

719
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then like that's maybe why they did it.

720
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I mean, do we want to

721
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Speaker 1: play Griffin. If you want to go on YouTube, you

722
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Speaker 1: can find this. It's like a two thousand and two

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Speaker 1: no sorry, nineteen ninety two package of Trump NBC the

724
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Speaker 1: video of let me see if I can find it.

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Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, yeah, while you're while you're looking for that.

726
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 5: And we talked a little bit about some of the

727
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 5: MAGA defense. We put up Anna Paulina kind of doing

728
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 5: a jokey drawing. But we have some new polling here

729
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 5: about the Trump's handling of this. Sixty three percent of

730
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Speaker 5: voters disapprove of the Trump administration's handling of the Jeffrey

731
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 5: Epstein files, Quinnipiac University National Poll finds nearly half of

732
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Speaker 5: voters would consider joining a third party, just not one

733
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Speaker 5: created by Elon Musk.

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Speaker 3: Sorry buddy, Yeah well this This also contrasts with numbers

735
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Speaker 3: that Harry Enton was analyzing on CNN yesterday. There was

736
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Speaker 3: a new CNN poll and it's similar in the Quinnipiac

737
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 3: poll that shows Republican support for Donald Trump increasing two

738
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Speaker 3: to three percentage points, which is very close to the

739
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Speaker 3: margin of eron both of those polls. Over the course

740
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Speaker 3: of the Epstein The latest chapter in the Epstein saga,

741
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Speaker 3: so like the last week or so, and yeah, yeah,

742
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Speaker 3: go ahead and roll those.

743
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Speaker 6: Griffin, And this one surprised me a bit because of

744
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 6: all these complaints online going after Trump and the Epstein files,

745
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 6: you might think is approval ratings were going down Republicans,

746
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 6: if anything, They're going up Republicans who approve of Trump.

747
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 6: Look at our CNN poll, the prior one eighty six percent,

748
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Speaker 6: the one out this week.

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Speaker 4: Eighty eight percent with Republicans.

750
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Speaker 6: How about Quinnipiac the prior poll eighty seven percent approved

751
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 6: of Republicans, this week out ninety percent with Republicans if anything,

752
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 6: Downald Trump's approval rating has gone up since this whole

753
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 6: Epstein saga started.

754
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 3: Okay, so the margin of AA there was plus or

755
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: minus six. So if you're thinking about that, it means

756
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 3: there could be no movement, or there could have been

757
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: a slight drop potentially in the numbers. But this is

758
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 3: very easy to reconcile, like say, this is accurately gaging

759
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 3: Republican support for Donal Trump. It's very easy to reconcile

760
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 3: with the numbers in the exact same poll that show

761
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 3: sixty five percent of Americans don't support his handling of

762
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 3: the Epstein files, which is that to most Americans? And

763
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: this is always worth saying when you're talking about Jeffrey Epstein.

764
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 3: Do most people care about the Epstein story? Yes? Are

765
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: most people disgusted by the Epstein story because they believe

766
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 3: that it reflects a sick and corrupt ruling class. Yes?

767
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 3: Is it most people's top priority? No, it's many people's.

768
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 3: It's high up on the list of many people's priorities.

769
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 3: It's a very powerful proxy issue. It's a powerful symbol,

770
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: and there are substance of questions of justice that still

771
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: needs to be served in and of itself. But I

772
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 3: think it is always worth saying that this is a story.

773
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: People in media who know some folks that might be implicated,

774
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: who can think about this as a meta media story

775
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 3: at the same time, are always going to be more

776
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 3: interested in it than most members of the public. That

777
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: does not make the story unimportant though.

778
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally your point, Like Emily, Like even in that

779
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 5: Harry Entin poll there was only one person who responded

780
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 5: saying that it was like.

781
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 4: A top priority issue.

782
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 5: Not one percent, but just one person only said that

783
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:52,959
Speaker 5: it was a top priority issue.

784
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I would just caution this type of analysis though,

785
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: because it's like it's about a vibe. You can't quantify it.

786
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: It's just it all compounds on itself. It's like Epstein

787
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: Iran the Israel situation. You can feel it happening, and

788
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: yet you could say that that's stupid. But by the way, guys,

789
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: did Trump not get elected on a vibe? I think

790
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: he did. I mean, I think that was a huge

791
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: part of it. If you guys watch my interview with

792
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Speaker 1: Andrew Schultz that's for our premium subscribers early we talk

793
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Speaker 1: about this. I go, hey, did you guys feel like

794
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Speaker 1: you maybe voted on vibes and you didn't vote on policy,

795
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean, it's not a call out.

796
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Speaker 1: I think most people vote that way. I'm just saying, like,

797
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 1: I think that was pretty important for this whole idea

798
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Speaker 1: of like the outsider versus the insiders and a new

799
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: way of doing business, and like this all just screams

800
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Speaker 1: just you know, very classic way. I also, you know,

801
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: I mean this footage is genuinely crazy, Like when you

802
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: watch this, this is archive footage from NBC at mar

803
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Speaker 1: A Lago in two thousand and two. I mean, just

804
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Speaker 1: like what you're wanting is Trump nineteen round with Epstein. Sorry, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: ninety nine two. Yeah, nineteen nine two. But you could

806
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: see this is at mar Lago. But one thing I

807
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: also hate about Epstein is he's always dressed down. I

808
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: know it's a small, small complaint, but he always wore tracksuit.

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00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: It's it's one of his great sins. And by the way,

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00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: it just shows you that not dressing properly is often

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Speaker 1: a indication.

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00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 4: Activities of moral ills.

813
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: Yes, so everybody else there is dressed well, you could

814
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Speaker 1: see Glaine h there in the background and Jeffrey and

815
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: Trump having an animated conversation. But yeah, I mean, look there,

816
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: I knew that this all existed I always was like, yeah,

817
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, they definitely knew each other. I don't think it,

818
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: you know, went beyond anything like too crazy. But it's

819
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Speaker 1: really the behavior of Trump since then that just has

820
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Speaker 1: me being like, I mean, it's mystifying. It really is mystifying.

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Speaker 1: But what's also important for everybody understand, as you pointed

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Speaker 1: out in that CNN poll, for all of that, mag

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Speaker 1: has got his back. All right, this is now a

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Speaker 1: media story. It's a hoax. There'll never believe it.

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Speaker 3: Genuinely, it helped him internally in the Internet singe squabble.

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Speaker 3: It absolutely helped him because now it looks like he

827
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Speaker 3: is under attack. But they didn't print the picture. If

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Speaker 3: they had printed the picture would have been different. I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying the Wall Street Journal by any means should

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Speaker 3: dictate it to allow, you know, the politics of Maggot

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Speaker 3: had dictated in supporting Of course that's not true. But hypothetically,

832
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Speaker 3: if the journal had printed the story, it would have

833
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 3: looked obviously a lot less like a major media hit

834
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 3: piece on Donald Trump. That drove everyone back into Trump's

835
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Speaker 3: arms because he's in battled, which is exactly what he

836
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Speaker 3: has been trying to do all week brilliant on Trump's part,

837
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Speaker 3: I mean genuinely when he started saying that this was

838
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Speaker 3: coming from Camy and Biden and whomever Elsema Obama like yes,

839
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Speaker 3: all of us look at that, and we're like okay.

840
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Speaker 3: But he knew what was coming, which was a Justice

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Speaker 3: Apartment file that had been sat on for a while

842
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: that he can now say, Hunt, isn't that interesting? Uh,

843
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: it's coming out in the Wall Street Journal? Just me,

844
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 3: there's all these other people in the book. And so

845
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 3: he was cleverly obviously trying to point in that direction,

846
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 3: probably the best defense that he can muster, and it's

847
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 3: obviously still not good enough. But what it does do

848
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 3: is stigmatize people in MAGA who continue to raise questions

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Speaker 3: and make them like they're doing the bidding in the

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Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, and that I mean, she's so stupid.

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00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 4: But are you guys to change?

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00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 5: But yeah, do you guys think that there would be

854
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 5: an outlet that they could have gotten this too, that

855
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 5: MAGA would have accepted more as opposed to like the

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00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 5: mainstream media, Like could they have gotten this to Rogan

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Speaker 5: or to some independent.

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Speaker 4: They could, They could have may have made it land

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Speaker 4: a little bit better.

860
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 3: They could have just dropped it themselves. I'm serious, Like

861
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 3: if Trump had said, the Wall Street Journal is about

862
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 3: to release the story on me writing a letter to

863
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein and as a joke, yeah, here, here's the book.

864
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 3: Here's the letter that the Wall Street Journal is trying

865
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 3: to make into some bombshell. Uh, and then it would

866
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: have looked way less.

867
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: I think it would have looked locker room talk, locker

868
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: room talk two point zero. Here's all the sketchy Democrats,

869
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: here's all the other sketchy Democrat demoncrats who are in

870
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: the book. Done.

871
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

872
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 5: And then, like Sager mentioned that it's about vibes and

873
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 5: this hurts Trump's vibe. But you know, we're not in

874
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 5: like an election time unless we're thinking about a Trump

875
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 5: third term, So like, what does this really affect in term?

876
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 5: Does this affect Trump's governance over this current term? Like

877
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 5: does this affect his political power going forward? With like

878
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 5: other endorsements, Like, because if Sager, you're saying this hurts

879
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 5: the vibe, then what what does Trump need.

880
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 4: The vibe for? At this point?

881
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: Great point, it's about mindspace, So can we all submit

882
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: The Lewinski story was important, Like in terms of politics, right,

883
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: can we can we agree with that.

884
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 4: We'll submit to that.

885
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, but it was fucking stupid at the

886
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: end of the day, like the entire investigation and the

887
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: country's obsession and all of that over Lewinski and the

888
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: all the details and the ken Star report and Congress,

889
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: Well what did that do? I mean, I've read multiple

890
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: accounts of Clinton's presidency. It consumed every moment of every day,

891
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: from the legal stuff to the subpoenas, to the spin,

892
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: to the press conference, to the extent that Clinton is

893
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: distracted in major meetings involving NATO intervention in Serbia, and

894
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: there's a lot of conspiracies that he actually bombs Serbia

895
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: to distract from the Lewinski scandal. So the point is is, like,

896
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: what do you need a vibe for when you're president

897
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: so you can govern? There's only so many hours in

898
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: the day. And by the way, this is a capricious

899
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: guy who's obsessed with cable television in the news, which

900
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 1: means he's going to be monitoring this and thinking about

901
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: nothing else. So every every moment of a president's time

902
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: is a zero sum game. Every single moment that a

903
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: president spends is time that he could be spending doing

904
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: something else, and it's the job of his staff and

905
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: of himself to keep himself well ordered. This is true

906
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: of any extremely highly powerful individual, and especially true in

907
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: the case of the president.

908
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. And to the point that Zacer was making,

909
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 3: I just want to this is what I how I

910
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 3: put it earlier this week, I wrote about it will

911
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 3: Epstein file has become Trump's cobble moment, And I think

912
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 3: that's the way I was thinking about it on the

913
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: vibe level is if you look back at the Biden presidency,

914
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: he never recovered after cobble, Like that's the moment that

915
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 3: his favorability like never ever recovered from. And I think

916
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: part of it is because he campaigned on being this

917
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 3: president for decency and bringing back like restoring the nation,

918
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 3: and Trump like ran on draining the swamp, and it

919
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 3: just this makes him look so weak that while it's

920
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: nobody's top priority. In the same way that nobody went

921
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 3: to the polls in twenty twenty two or twenty twenty

922
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: four and said I want to vote against the party

923
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 3: that boshed the Afghanistan withdrawal, almost nobody did that. I

924
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 3: don't think people are going to be going to the

925
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: polls for the most part in the midterms saying I'm

926
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 3: going to vote against the party that seems to be

927
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 3: hiding something on Jeffrey Ebstein. But what it does do

928
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: is make Trump look weak. It makes him political defense. Ye,

929
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 3: he's on defense. Yeah, absolutely. And all of that, by

930
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 3: the way, total enforced error because Bondi handled it, and

931
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 3: maybe she was handling it this way because of Trump,

932
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 3: but the way that it was handled put them on

933
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 3: defense because they said case closed, which was never ever

934
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: ever going to suffice or to be satisfactory. Period. And

935
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 3: just lastly, to sagur those of uh, those people out

936
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 3: there who who maybe right of center like we are,

937
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 3: just imagine and all honestly, if Joe Biden had a

938
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 3: pattern like this, how it would imagine that this was

939
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 3: a letter from Bill Clinton. Imagine? Seriously.

940
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just be real, be honest, all right, and

941
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: and just listen to it.

942
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 3: Listen.

943
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: The case that I think I presented is one that

944
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: it's about the denial is I've never doodled. It's like, okay,

945
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 1: well here's all these doodles. It's I've never said the word.

946
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: It's like, well, here's the word.

947
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 3: Well, he don't. Did he say that? He said it

948
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 3: was his language and then magnets my language, but other

949
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: people enigma. Yeah, and yeah he.

950
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: Said you said he said it, all right, and then

951
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: you have to also, I mean, I know everybody you know, listen,

952
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: nobody hates the media and all those people more than me. Okay,

953
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: but uh I you know, because we're in this business,

954
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: you don't just publish it, like, especially when you're the

955
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal or others, you know, I would you

956
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: have to have them dead and stone hold on something

957
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: like this before you go to print. I've been involved

958
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: with much more minor stuff where oh my god, the

959
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: level of review and I mean, Griffin, you were here

960
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: for Signal Gate. Remember remember how much fucking sweat we

961
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: had to put into that.

962
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so much homework. It wasn't fun at all.

963
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's not it's honestly not fun because you

964
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: have to sit there and like, okay, is it responsible?

965
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 1: You know, you see comment from the Justice Department, from

966
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: the Pentagon, you know, in response to this stuff, and

967
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: then that's just you know, a little breaking points. Okay,

968
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: this is this is one of the premier world newspapers.

969
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: So it's you know, they knew the date.

970
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 3: The best lawyers in the world.

971
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god, like lawyers upon lawyers upon lawyers. Like

972
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, when you hit publish

973
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: on something like this, there's an entire apparatus that is

974
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: going to back you up. It's like, okay, you want

975
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: to sue them, like fine, and don't forget. This is

976
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: probably a good segue to the Colbert thing. It's not

977
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: like Trump had CBS dead to write on sixteen minutes. Absolutely,

978
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: if sixteen Minutes had fought this in court, Trump was

979
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: the one who was gonna lose. They ended up caving

980
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: because they want their merger with sky Dance to be approved.

981
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: Let's be very clear. Same with ABC News and Disney.

982
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: ABC settled with Trump basically just be like, let's make

983
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 1: this go away. There is no scenario zero where any

984
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: of these people do not prevail in court. Their old

985
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: lawyers would tell you that they're gonna win one hundred

986
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: percent and Trump would have to pay their legal.

987
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 3: I think the ABC one would have been that one

988
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 3: actually would have been more of a fight. But the

989
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 3: CBS Sun joke, I don't know.

990
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I mean that the bar for

991
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: defamation in life.

992
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's true. Yeah, looks he got over his skis.

993
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, the guy got over his skis. Fine, that's

994
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 1: not defamation, Like you have to be able to prove

995
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: that he knew what he was saying was false. Same,

996
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: we're saying damages like you can't do that.

997
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 3: There's a but there's a magnitude difference between the bullshit

998
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 3: CBS one.

999
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: And I agree. But what I'm more saying is like,

1000
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: in every single one of these cases, it's every single one,

1001
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 1: in my opinion, there's no way that they don't win. Yeah.

1002
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 5: You mentioned Monica Lewinsky earlier, which kind of leads me

1003
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 5: to like my final question on the subject, which is

1004
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 5: sort of like the culture and sort of how different

1005
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 5: parts of Trump's cultural coalition are reacting to this. I've

1006
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 5: got a clip here from Shane Gillis uh recently where he.

1007
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, so good, Donald Trump wants to stage a UFC

1008
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 7: fight on the White House lawn. The last time he

1009
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 7: staged a fight in DC, Mike Pen's almost died.

1010
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 4: I had to do that. It was fine. I didn't

1011
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 4: write it.

1012
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 7: Uh, we're supposed to be an Epstein joke here, But.

1013
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 4: As it got deleted, must.

1014
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 7: Have probably deleted itself, right, probably never existed. Actually, let's

1015
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 7: move on as a country and ignore that.

1016
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 4: Let's move on as a country.

1017
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean, I guess my question for both

1018
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 5: of my MAGA hosts here is, you know, I do

1019
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 5: see a big.

1020
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: Difference that label on me, But go ahead.

1021
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 3: So sorry you can cause fascists just don't.

1022
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, yeah to my two Groper hosts here, So

1023
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 5: I would rather with you know there, I do see

1024
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 5: sort of like a delineation or a schism between the

1025
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 5: sort of MAGA influencers like you're Charlie Kirks versus the

1026
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 5: bro Sphere, the Rogan Sphere podcasts that have been a

1027
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 5: lot more confrontational about this subject. I see, you know,

1028
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 5: Shane Gillis as joke. I've seen Rogan talk about it.

1029
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 5: I've seen Theovaughn kind of demand for there to be

1030
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 5: more so, like, what does that mean in terms of

1031
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 5: Trump's like cultural coalition, in terms of what do you

1032
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 5: guys think?

1033
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of what I was talking about with

1034
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: the vibe. And that's also why that poll was really

1035
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: dumb because it said it was about Republicans. It's like,

1036
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: who cares about Republicans. There's not that many Republicans that

1037
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: you think everybody who voted Republican is a Republican. No,

1038
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: you think everybody who voted Democrat is a Democrat. No,

1039
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: And it's very rare. There's a huge independent swing to

1040
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: Donald Trump in the twenty twenty four election, and to

1041
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: the extent that culture is being driven here and to

1042
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: affect Donald Trump, those podcast reactions, in my opinion, are

1043
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: way more impactful than the Charlie Kirk. I mean, actually,

1044
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: I'll give Kirk credit. He has a young magot people

1045
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: who listen to him. He's probably the only one of

1046
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: that who actually has like a real young audience.

1047
00:53:58,280 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 4: But the rest of it goes to colleges. It's an

1048
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 4: every college does is packed out.

1049
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: But the rest of you're just preaching to a bunch

1050
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: of boomers. You love Trump anyway, I don't. Those people

1051
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: are never going to stop voting for Trump. They're never

1052
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: going to stop voting for Republicans. So that's why it's

1053
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: important to distinguish exactly like who all these subgroups are.

1054
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, the last thing that I just want to say

1055
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 3: is I don't think it's implausible Soccer mentioned the Megan

1056
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 3: Kelly reporting this week suggesting that people her sources inside

1057
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 3: the administration said that the files had been left in

1058
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 3: such a way that points to Donald Trump. I don't

1059
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 3: want to discredit the possibility that there was some funny

1060
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 3: business going on. What that doesn't do is negate the

1061
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 3: veracity of the potential file itself. So two things can

1062
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 3: be true at once, right, that the holdovers at the

1063
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 3: Justice Department, and that the Biden era Justice Department, which

1064
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 3: did have Marine Comy as part of it. And there

1065
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 3: are all kinds of people who who have despised Trump

1066
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 3: that were in career your positions at Justice and FBI.

1067
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 3: We all know that it is not impossible that there

1068
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 3: was actually some maneuvering behind the scenes to make it

1069
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 3: more difficult for the Trump administration to release files and

1070
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 3: to do their transparency without implicating Donald Trump. That's possible.

1071
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 3: I have no idea what that would look like. Maybe

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Speaker 3: it looks like, you know, leaving the Trump page and

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Speaker 3: that book right at the top and moving the other

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Speaker 3: pages somewhere else. I genuinely don't know. But I just

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00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 3: want to say again to people who are listening to

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00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 3: that and are deeply suspicious of the intelligence community, two

1077
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 3: things can be true, that the intelligence community was engaging

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00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 3: in significant funny business, and that the Trump letter is

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00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 3: real and massively suspicious, and that there are potentially other

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00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 3: pieces of information that the administration is sitting on that

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00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 3: do implicate Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: And lastly, the easiest way to get around that is

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00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: just to release it all and then nobody cares what's

1084
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: on top or whatever. You know, you can reorder itever

1085
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: you want to.

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00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: And lastly, I know this is a probably a decent

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00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 3: teaser for the second half of the show, which is premium.

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00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 3: But the reason that we were talking about all of this,

1089
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 3: and on the show we try to cover topics that

1090
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 3: are not the sort of mainstream media outrage bait. The

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00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 3: reason that this is important is because there's substance of

1092
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 3: justice justice questions, and also it could be affecting our

1093
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 3: foreign policy literally right now, every single day totally.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, may every new piece of information be a

1095
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 5: new wonderful secret. You know, we were talking a lot

1096
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 5: about all these lawsuits against news media organizations, and you

1097
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 5: know that kind of leads us, I think naturally, to

1098
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 5: this Stephen Colbert thing, which just announced last night that

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Speaker 5: the Late Show with Stephen Colbert has been canceled.

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Speaker 4: Why don't we take a listen to what he has

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00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 4: to say right here?

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Speaker 8: Oh hey, everybody, we got a great show feature night.

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00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 8: Senator Adam Schiff was my guest. The heart Heavin boss Road.

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00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 8: What a voice, I cried. But before we start the show,

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00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 8: I want to let you know something that I found

1106
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 8: out just last night. Next year will be our last season.

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00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 8: The network will be ending the Late Show in May.

1108
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: And yeah, I share your feelings.

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00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 8: It's not just the end of our show, but it's

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Speaker 8: the end of the Late Show on CBS.

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00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm not being replaced. This is all just going away.

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Speaker 1: And I do want to say I do.

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Speaker 8: Want to say that the folks at CBS have been

1114
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 8: great partners. I'm so grateful to the Tiffany Network for

1115
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 8: giving me this chair and this beautiful theater to call home.

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00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 8: And of course I'm grateful to you the audience who

1117
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 8: have joined.

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00:57:53,720 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 5: Us, and that audience has been growing small and smaller

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00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:01,479
Speaker 5: by the day.

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Speaker 4: You know a lot of people.

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00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 5: I mean, I saw Elizabeth Warren, I saw Adam Schiff

1122
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 5: after his interview say or question if there was political

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00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 5: pressure from the Trump administration behind this cancelation. What do

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Speaker 5: you folks make of this?

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Speaker 1: I really don't know, because apparently the justification from CBS

1126
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: is that it's no longer financially sustainable. So I'll read

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00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: here the genre has experienced a sharp decline in advertising

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Speaker 1: revenue in recent years. In twenty eighteen, network late night

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00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: shows took in four hundred and thirty nine million dollars

1130
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: in ad revenue. By last year, the figure had dropped

1131
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: to two hundred and twenty million, a fifty percent drop

1132
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 1: in just seven years. The cancelation of the lay Show

1133
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: raised immediate questions about the ties to the government's review

1134
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: of Paramount's merger with Skydance or the recent settlement with

1135
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: mister Trump. So I think both things could be true.

1136
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: It's convenient to get rid of him. But also, I mean,

1137
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: what was Stephen Colbert's salary at the Late Show? Probably

1138
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: thirty million, that's my guess. It's got to be something

1139
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: like that. Let's see, I can't find. Yeah, his annual

1140
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: salary is about fifteen million dollars. So if we submit

1141
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: that the total amount of advertising revenue is two hundred

1142
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: and twenty million, how many late night shows are there?

1143
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: There's the late Night, there's the Late show, There is

1144
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: Kimmel I do k basically kil Mill fallon, So that's

1145
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: three shows. But there's also Daily Show's Seth Myer. All

1146
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: those people are all lumped in. So two hundred and

1147
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: twenty million divided by all those shows. Obviously it's not equal,

1148
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: but it's like somewhat dispersed. Fifteen million just for Colbert.

1149
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: Anybody even know what the operating costs for a studio

1150
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: and a staff size of twenty five people pull in

1151
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: full corporate Benny's. I can kind of see it, right,

1152
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: Like I could see a case where the show doesn't

1153
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: pencil and where at the end of the day, like

1154
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: kind is just not really worth it financially anymore. I

1155
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: also could see, uh, you know, this whole thing. A

1156
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: lot of people are saying that it is about Donald Trump,

1157
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: but you know, shout out to like clipp and Stein

1158
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: and others who were like, guys, I'm sorry, like he's

1159
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: not funny, Like it's just a bad show, and I

1160
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: think it's just bad.

1161
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Speaker 3: He is funny, but he's not funny anymore.

1162
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 4: Heartbreaking, you know.

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01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 5: I mean, like the colbertopore was you know, cutting edge

1164
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 5: at the time, and even before that.

1165
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 3: Candy that was cutting edge.

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Speaker 1: I went to the rally to restore sanity into front

1167
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Speaker 1: row seat. Yeah, I think I'm actually in a package

1168
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: from Craig Ferguson because he was going around with if

1169
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: anybody wants to pull that clip, I was there.

1170
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Speaker 3: So I don't know when I started doing this, but whatever,

1171
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 3: it is. My like student stump speech when I'm trying

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01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 3: to explain what happened to the media, is literally druxtaposing

1173
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 3: the Colbert Report with Johnny Carson, because I think it's

1174
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 3: the story of media really neatly. It's like your perfect arc.

1175
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 3: When Johnny Carson was the king of late night, You're

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01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 3: pulling a north of ten million people every night, and

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Speaker 3: in order to do that, you're competing with too well,

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01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 3: it depends. I mean, his tenure was very long and

1179
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 3: the genre went through a lot, and so you're competing

1180
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 3: with basically two other networks. And the way to maximize

1181
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 3: your ad revenue is to appeal to as many Americans

1182
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 3: as you possibly can. So Carson was not at all

1183
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 3: a politically talked about politics all the time, but what

1184
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 3: he was was not partisan. So that's because you you know,

1185
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 3: Republicans buy sneakers too. As the saying goes for Michael Jordan,

1186
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 3: and so at the time, that's the way to beat

1187
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 3: your competitors is to just get the biggest, slightest of

1188
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 3: the pie. Colbert was the number one host in late

1189
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 3: night during the Trump era Trump one point zero, and actually,

1190
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 3: right now, if you compare him, this is very interesting.

1191
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 3: Gottfeld is beating him on cable, which would have been

1192
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 3: unthinkable in the latter Carson era because first of all,

1193
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 3: that was a new thing relatively and secondly, not everybody

1194
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 3: had cable, So Guttfeld is actually pretty handily destroying everyone

1195
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 3: else on a cable network. Colbert was number one in

1196
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 3: Trump one point zero despite being the least funny and

1197
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 3: the most political host. You heard him in that monologue

1198
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 3: about the show being canceled that Adam Schiff was his guest.

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Speaker 3: A comedy show with Adam Schiff as the guest. Does

1200
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 3: that sound appealing to you. No. But the way to

1201
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 3: win the competition now is the niche. So if you

1202
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 3: can get resistance wine moms coming back night after night,

1203
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 3: you have the best shot at selling really specific ads

1204
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 3: that are easy for the business people to understand and

1205
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 3: maximizes the audience loyalty. All of that. So what's getting

1206
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 3: buried in all of this is Colbert said that they're

1207
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 3: actually retiring or CBS said they're actually retiring the late

1208
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 3: night brand. They're retiring the show after he leaves, so

1209
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 3: that can only mean one thing, Debra Vance is coming in. No,

1210
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 3: I'm kidding, but that's what it's like. That's actually I

1211
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 3: think even more significant than Colbert being pushed out is

1212
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 3: that they're retiring the franchise of the show, and that

1213
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 3: show is a staple of Hollywood culture. Griffin's literally in Hollywood,

1214
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 3: so he can speak more to this. But I think

1215
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 3: it's possible that Colbert was overpaid and was needling the

1216
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 3: network over the settlement, and that's the straw that broke

1217
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 3: the camel's back. But this is not about politics. It

1218
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 3: has nothing to do.

1219
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Speaker 1: I totally agree. It's like, guys, it's an insane system.

1220
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: It airs at eleven thirty five pm Eastern to watch

1221
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: interviews live and Colbert's monologue and various sketches. Who the

1222
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: fuck is watching that in twenty twenty five. I'm being serious,

1223
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: like anybody who is remotely interested in comedy or to

1224
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: the extent that it has any cultural cachet left at all,

1225
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: people are watching it on YouTube or on Twitter the

1226
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: day after they don't. No one is watching this live

1227
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: like they're just not. Maybe some people in California at

1228
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: a thirty whenever. It also happens to airlive. And there's

1229
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: a great book I think it's called The Late Shift.

1230
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: I read it a few years ago. It's the history

1231
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: of late night television and specifically the war between Jay

1232
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: Leno and David Letterman. And people need to understand that

1233
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: it was a very specific moment in time pre Internet,

1234
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: in which was the only way to get access to

1235
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: comedy as a genre that everybody could experience. It was

1236
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: the platform through which Leno and Letterman can have all

1237
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: of these like guys on and to debut. It goes

1238
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: back to the history of the Tonight Show in the

1239
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies. As like the Convening Ground, it also was

1240
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: a really good way to get publicity out about a movie.

1241
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: But effectively, like basically the moment YouTube and the Internet

1242
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: and all that stuff starts to come around, these shows

1243
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: just become obsolete overnight. I mean, in my opinion, the

1244
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: greatest ever do it Conan he couldn't even make it work.

1245
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: What is Conan doing now he's a.

1246
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 3: Podcast host and I'm very successful, and I love I.

1247
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: Love Team Coco. It's a good show. It's pretty interviewing.

1248
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: He gets good guests. But my point is, just like

1249
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: that genre of like twenty five thirty people on your

1250
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: staff staying up every night to do Joe, I mean,

1251
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: even John Stewart, he's only on the air guys once

1252
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: a week, right, once a week like this, That that

1253
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: is just it was such a specific moment in time

1254
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: that even I don't understand it. I can only read

1255
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: about it for what it was like cultural. Yeah, that

1256
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: post nineteen nine, that like nineteen nineties mass media culture,

1257
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: right before the Internet and YouTube and all that came out.

1258
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: And the only reason it even stayed around was because

1259
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: of all this legacy advertising. But look, the world has

1260
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: moved on. So yeah, if you ask me, that's the

1261
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: main reason is you have to just keep signing these megadeals.

1262
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: You have this massive burn rate, you know, on the show.

1263
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm not going to be stupid and

1264
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: deny that. It's an easy thing to hand to the

1265
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: Trump administration to also get the sky Dance, to also

1266
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,919
Speaker 1: get the termount sky Dance Charger, so I think it's both.

1267
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: But I think that a lot of liberals are really

1268
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: ignoring like, but guys that the show was bad, Like

1269
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: it was a.

1270
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 5: Bad Yeah, the ratings were bad, and like I was

1271
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 5: thinking a lot, you know, you know, Emily mentioned that

1272
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 5: he was a star in Trump one point zero, and

1273
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 5: like we already knew, like before Trump won twenty twenty four,

1274
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 5: that the talk show format was dying culturally. But even

1275
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 5: I thought that Colbert would get like a shot in

1276
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 5: the arm from Trump being back, that it would like

1277
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 5: gin the resistance people back up. But you know, really,

1278
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 5: in my view, like the age range now for the

1279
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 5: Colbert audience is like sixties and seventies. Yeah, and like

1280
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 5: and and but and you'd think that those people well

1281
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 5: would still just be watching like cable and the old

1282
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 5: things they're used to. But like, you know, I see,

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Speaker 5: like my dad who's in his sixties, I mean he's

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Speaker 5: he's looking at tiktoks, he's looking at Instagram reels. When

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Speaker 5: I go over to my dad's house, we're not watching cable.

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Speaker 5: He's playing me a YouTube video now. And I really

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Speaker 5: think that like even that age range of like sixties

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Speaker 5: and seventies just have so many more entertaining distractions and

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Speaker 5: watching a five minute interview like these really short bite

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Speaker 5: interviews with really boring people, or like some you know,

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Speaker 5: modern family actor is just not really hitting anymore. And

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Speaker 5: it really goes to show that these the but the

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Speaker 5: talk show format, I do believe people still like if

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Speaker 5: you may, if you revolutionize it, if you make it

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Speaker 5: interesting again. Like I'm looking at shows online like Kill

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Speaker 5: Tony is essentially a talk show that gets like hundreds

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Speaker 5: of thousands of life incurrents on YouTube.

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Speaker 4: It's massive.

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Speaker 5: I'm looking at people like the Adam Friedlin Show, which

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01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 5: is much styled in like a seventies talk show. I

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01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 5: do think people still something about the format, but you

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Speaker 5: have to keep it modern, you have to update it.

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01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 5: And you know, I look at an organization Sager mentioned

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Speaker 5: the twenty five employees probably on the writing staff, the

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01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 5: massive crew, and they saw the ratings go down for years,

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Speaker 5: and they refuse to innovate. I mean, I've worked at

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Speaker 5: a lot of media companies where the writing's on the wall,

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Speaker 5: it's they're the downward trajectory is obvious, and they just

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Speaker 5: don't they don't update, they don't modernize with the times.

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Speaker 4: There was a way for them to save this show.

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Speaker 5: They're like, they could have brought in new writers, they

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01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 5: could have cleared house, they could have made it interesting

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01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 5: and changed things. But when you're in that level of Hollywood,

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Speaker 5: like cemented tradition, you just it's almost impossible unless someone

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01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 5: gives you the mandate to go in and kind of

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01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 5: fire everyone, hire new staff and like challenge the format.

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Speaker 5: I think it was savable, but I just think people

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Speaker 5: I agree with how god there are way yeah right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the problem. They don't know how

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Speaker 1: to streamline, they don't know how to you know, innovate

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Speaker 1: or any of that for the future. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: this is they have it.

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Speaker 3: I mean franchises sign that they are coming to it lately.

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Speaker 1: I think it's too baked in, the burn rates too high.

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Speaker 1: For example, my prediction Saturday Night Live, it'll be dead

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Speaker 1: in ten years, that's my.

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Speaker 3: B I don't disagree with that. I don't just mean maybe.

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Speaker 1: If Lauren dies, like that's when it'll die. I just

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Speaker 1: think at this point NBC is just keeping it around

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01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: for whatever, say, I don't know, you know, like sort

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01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: of emeritis thing, and then when Lauren is gone, they're like, look,

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01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: let's just end the show. I mean, there's no more,

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Speaker 1: or it's not good anymore.

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Speaker 3: It becomes a clip show. I mean it already has

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01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 3: become a clip show. Yeah, basically. But yeah, no, I

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Speaker 3: think they're realizing this a decade too late. And that's

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Speaker 3: why I think one of like my hottest takes ever

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01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 3: is that CNN Plus was actually a good idea. I mean,

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Speaker 3: they executed it.

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Speaker 4: That's very hot.

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01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: It's a hot take. Understand what you're trying to say.

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Speaker 1: The concept of concept.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, shouldn't have been abandoned. Because Fox News invested early

1344
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 3: in Fox Nation, whatever you think about it, it's now

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01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 3: a huge, huge part of the Fox News business. And

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Speaker 3: that's because they were able to bring people in with

1347
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 3: these documentaries and subscriptions and blah blah blah. That makes

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01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 3: up for the fact that even you know, okay, so

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01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 3: Guttfeld's trouncing Colbert. Okay, but that's three million people on

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01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 3: average watching Guttfeld a night. It doesn't compare to the

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01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 3: ten million or the five million that you would have

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01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 3: had on a late night show a long time ago.

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01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 3: So anyway, all that is just to say that a

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01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 3: lot of these networks are ten years too late and

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01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 3: are trying to adapt. They're just doing it in a

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01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 3: very poor way, and they're doing it late.

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Speaker 5: And to the SNL point, just because SNL was mentioned,

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01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 5: and I am a sicko and I still watch every

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01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 5: episode of SNL. I watch every single sketch. There's at

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01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 5: least one good sketching episode. But you got to suffer

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01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 5: through a lot. I say, get rid of Lorn, bring

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01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 5: in Tina Fey, and let let Tina Fey revolutionize the show.

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01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 5: Let her update it for the next era. I do

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01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 5: think there's a ton of life there. Anyways, if you're

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01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,799
Speaker 5: listening NBC thirty Rock, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Tina, if you're listening, we love you. Tina is on

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01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 1: the record, is having burner accounts, so in my incredible

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Speaker 1: she does listen.

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Speaker 4: Incredible.

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Speaker 1: I love Tina faith perhaps the most thing about me.

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Speaker 3: Nothing nothing better than thirty.

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Speaker 1: Rock, absolutely so to this day, greatish network show of

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Speaker 1: all time and Bali.

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Speaker 5: It's just incredible, the entire chime on that. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: let's why don't we kick it over to the second

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Speaker 5: half now for premiums, folks, we're gonna be talking, We're

1377
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 5: gonna be answering a m a questions we're gonna be

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Speaker 5: talking about a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Of the Vatican and Israel.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 5: And we're also going to be releasing exclusively of first

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Speaker 5: for premium subscribers, a one on one interview between Sager

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Speaker 5: and Schultz that was recorded outside of the Schultz episode,

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Speaker 5: where Sager asks, Uh, does he regret voting for Trump?

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Speaker 5: The vibe check on jd Vance, and more. You can

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Speaker 5: com today and you'll get it in your email inbox.

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Speaker 4: We'll see you on the other side