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Speaker 1: Today, Senator Debbie Stabanaw talks to us about the complexities

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Speaker 1: to Congressman Colin Alred about his run against Senator Lion

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Speaker 1: third anniversary of the senator's trip to Cancun, Mexico. But

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Speaker 1: first we have the Washington Post columnist Catherine Rampal.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 3: Katherine Rampal, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: So I always want.

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Speaker 1: To have you on the podcast because I think you're

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Speaker 1: really smart and a good writer, and also because you

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Speaker 1: went to college with my brother.

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Speaker 2: That's true. This is true.

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Speaker 1: So basically, the thing that I always think about when

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Speaker 1: people and really the mainstream media and especially the right

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Speaker 1: wing media is demonizing migrants, immigrants, people coming in this

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Speaker 1: country for the hopes of a better life, is that

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Speaker 1: this is also a very financially unsound way to look

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Speaker 1: at the world, and so you wrote just a really

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Speaker 1: concise piece about that last week, just talk us through

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Speaker 1: exactly why immigration is good for the economy.

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Speaker 4: Sure.

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Speaker 3: The reason I wrote this, just to back up for

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Speaker 3: a second, is that I feel like both parties have

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Speaker 3: accepted the premise that the fact that the United States

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Speaker 3: is able to draw immigrants around the world is a curse.

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Speaker 3: It is a bad thing, It is a problem to

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Speaker 3: be solved, and I just think that premise is wrong.

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Speaker 3: That immigration is a blessing. The fact that we are

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Speaker 3: able to pull in and attract talent from around the

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Speaker 3: world is just such a gift.

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Speaker 1: And this is one of the places where both parties

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Speaker 1: are the same. Framing is actually correct because both parties

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Speaker 1: have decided that immigration is somehow not the boon that

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Speaker 1: it really is.

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Speaker 2: So I'm really glad that you said that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously the narrative is pushed mostly by Republicans,

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Speaker 3: but I think Democrats have essentially conceded the point. So

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Speaker 3: that's sort of where I came from with this piece.

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Speaker 3: And to be clear, like there are lots of moral

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Speaker 3: humanitarian reasons as well to accept people fleeing persecution and

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Speaker 3: city on the hill or whatever, providing refuge to people

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Speaker 3: around the world. But just from a like self interested

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Speaker 3: financial perspective, it is also a really good thing. So

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Speaker 3: if you look at, for example, the Congressional Budget Offices

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Speaker 3: they put these out periodically, they were revised upward that

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Speaker 3: those lines have been redrafted, essentially revised to be much

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Speaker 3: more favorable. And a large part of the reason why

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Speaker 3: has led to more people in the labor force. At

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Speaker 3: the same time that, you know, native born Americans, boomers

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Speaker 3: There's like tons of research that goes into all of this.

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Speaker 3: So there are a number of ways in which this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was just about to say, Japan.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Brexit has handicapped the UK economy in all sorts

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Speaker 3: looking at the refugee in a PSI lee population, which

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Speaker 3: it's true that those Indian born engineers who are here

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Speaker 3: they're you know, quote unquote high skilled. But all these

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Speaker 3: these people also are net fiscal contributors, meaning that they

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Speaker 2: They pay into Social Security.

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Speaker 3: Pay into Social Security. So if we're you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: They are all unified by the fact that they are

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Speaker 3: Right And on the point about paying taxes, ironically, on

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Speaker 1: So they're paying in but not taking out, which is

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Speaker 1: actually the opposite of the lie that all Republicans say,

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Speaker 1: that people are coming to this country and taking your stuff,

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Speaker 1: but in fact, they are coming to this country paying

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Speaker 3: Yes, at least those who are here off the books,

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Speaker 3: that is certainly the case. It's kind of ironic because

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Speaker 3: the United States has this serious long term challenge with

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want a general but they do

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Speaker 1: It's such a really important point, and I would love

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Speaker 1: you to just talk about what happens to an aging economy, like,

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Speaker 1: for example, I think about Italy.

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Speaker 1: Countries where, you know, the people in the economy get

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Speaker 1: what happens that economy when you can't get people to work?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And look, I'm not suggesting that we should force

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Speaker 2: I am no, I'm no, no, no one's suggesting that.

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Speaker 1: But the economy can only survive if there are people

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: It is very challenging for a number of reasons. One is,

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Speaker 3: of course, if a country has promised various kinds of

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Speaker 3: It's like, I pay in. The money that I am

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Speaker 3: number one. Challenge number two, of course, is that you

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Speaker 3: but also because you need people to run the restaurants

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Speaker 3: the reason why the United States has not had such

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Speaker 3: a tough situation. I mean, there are a lot of

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Speaker 3: we have had higher fertility rates than most of these

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Speaker 2: Even with flat Musk having all those children.

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Speaker 2: Also, I think we should both agree that people should

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Speaker 1: Welcome too Fast Politics, Senator stabnaw.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's great to be with you, Mollie. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm really excited to have you on for a

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Speaker 4: It's a funny one. I actually got involved in politics

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Speaker 4: People urged me to run. I was really mad at him.

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Speaker 4: and it's it's very real, it's very serious.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there is time to meet legislators.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Rashida Tilly represents her constituents, and I feel

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Speaker 1: like there is time for Democrats to be able to

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Speaker 1: make I mean, obviously you can never make right civilian

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Speaker 1: death on this scale, nor can you make rite any

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Speaker 1: of it. But I think there's time to reach out.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel there's a concerted effort towards.

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Speaker 4: Us I do. I think there is a concerted effort now.

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Speaker 4: I think given the immediacy of everything that was happening,

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Speaker 4: it could have happened faster, for sure. But I do

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Speaker 4: think that's happening and has to happen, and people have

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Speaker 4: got to listen and respect each other's pain and anger,

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Speaker 4: and that's how we move through it.

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Speaker 2: So Michigan is a really interesting state.

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Speaker 1: Besides what's going on there, there are just a lot

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Speaker 1: of different You have really rural, you have cities, you

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Speaker 1: have what is the outreach to black voters?

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Speaker 2: Look like in Michigan, and do you feel like that's landing.

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Speaker 4: Well, we always have to work hard, and we have

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Speaker 4: to work early. And let me go back, just wind

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Speaker 4: the clock back for a second, because it relates to

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Speaker 4: what we're building on right now. After Trump was elected

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Speaker 4: in sixteen, I felt I could either jump off the

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Speaker 4: highest building, which was a real pot, or going and

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Speaker 4: reorganize the party. And I chose to do that. And

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Speaker 4: we started with organizing the fact that Trump was trying

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Speaker 4: to take away the Affordable Care Act takeaway health care.

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Speaker 4: First big rally in the country was done in Michigan

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Speaker 4: with Bernie and Chuck Schumann, I mean, a whole bunch

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Speaker 4: of people, and we started building building, and then in

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Speaker 4: eighteen I was up for reelection. Governor Whitmer was the ballot.

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Speaker 4: All of our great people and we doubled down and

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Speaker 4: the first doors we hit knocking on doors were in Detroit.

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Speaker 4: Congressman and Brenda Lawrence and I led this effort because

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Speaker 4: everyone would say, you don't come talk to us till October.

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Speaker 4: Nobody's paying attention, so we said okay. At June one

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Speaker 4: door won in Detroit and started a concerted effort there

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Speaker 4: that resulted in we took back the state, and then

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Speaker 4: I kept my campaign manager, took him over to the

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Speaker 4: party to keep it going. I talked to Reid at

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Speaker 4: the time, who you know, did year round organizing at

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Speaker 4: the party, and okay, Harry, how'd you do that? But

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Speaker 4: my point in saying is we at twenty twenty biggest

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Speaker 4: you know, voter turnout for a presidential then we kept

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Speaker 4: going twenty twenty two biggest voter turnout for non presidential.

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Speaker 4: Now we have to keep that going. And so it's complicated.

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Speaker 4: There's so many different messages people are getting coming out

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Speaker 4: of COVID. People are feeling so many different kinds of

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Speaker 4: things that it's hard. People on the you know, one hand,

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Speaker 4: say I want to know what the president has done

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Speaker 4: for the black community, and then you talk about the

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Speaker 4: fact that it's the lowest black unemployment ever, more African

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Speaker 4: American small businesses led by Black women, by the way,

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Speaker 4: which is really cool, and we can go on and

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Speaker 4: on about it, and then folks say no that you know, no,

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Speaker 4: that's not enough. And I don't say that the numbers

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Speaker 4: not enough. It's like we need to do different things,

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Speaker 4: more things talk about Trump. Some people say we should

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Speaker 4: lean in more on Trump. Other people say more on

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Speaker 4: the president.

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Speaker 2: Right, everybody has a suggestion.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And honestly, I think it's all the about. So

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Speaker 4: there's just now, you know, the presidential primary is coming up,

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Speaker 4: and African American communities absolutely critical, always has been, and

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Speaker 4: there's outreach going on that's just going to have to

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Speaker 4: continue all the way through the election in the fall.

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Speaker 1: I really want to go back to what we were

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Speaker 1: talking about with talking to Harry Read about organizing, because

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Speaker 1: that really is you know, we see this again and again.

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Speaker 1: Democrats win when they organize right, and they lose. I

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Speaker 1: mean a great example is this special that just happened

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Speaker 1: New York three. That was the seat that was a

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Speaker 1: Democratic seat. Everybody kind of forgot about it in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two, and we had a sort of governor who

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Speaker 1: wasn't as popular as other democratic governors have been, and

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Speaker 1: so it ended up being that the just people didn't

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Speaker 1: get out there and we ended up with George Santos

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Speaker 1: in Congress.

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Speaker 2: So I think what you're talking about is great.

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Speaker 1: This idea of focusing on it seems like that is

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Speaker 1: a really like something that you sort of started, and

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Speaker 1: that what Mirror has and that those three ladies have

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Speaker 1: sort of kept going. Do you feel like that's true

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Speaker 1: and is there voter registration that's continuing.

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Speaker 4: Yes? Absolutely. In fact, you know, I set up what

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Speaker 4: we call the one campaign for Michigan, and even before

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Speaker 4: you know our primaries, I guess so even before the

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Speaker 4: governor was elected or the training General Secretary of State,

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Speaker 4: all our great people, we were on the ground setting

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Speaker 4: up things so that when they won the primary, the

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Speaker 4: offices were open, things were happening, and that they could

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Speaker 4: just go and our wonderful candidates could win. But what

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Speaker 4: is additionally important is that we kept it going. As

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Speaker 4: I said, my campaign manager from twenty eighteen went over

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Speaker 4: to run the party in nineteen and twenty, and frankly,

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Speaker 4: when COVID came, as we all remember, and the Michigan

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Speaker 4: primary was in March, we changed on a dime to

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Speaker 4: all virtual and kept it going, and we used the

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Speaker 4: tools we had. We had passed new reforms. Contrary to

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Speaker 4: what's happened in other states, we actually have more voting.

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Speaker 4: You can sign up permanently to be on the absentee

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Speaker 4: ballot list now. So in nineteen and twenty, actually it

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Speaker 4: was in nineteen we knocked on eighty five five thousand

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Speaker 4: doors to sign people up to be on the permanent

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Speaker 4: absentee ballot voter list. So we have been using the

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Speaker 4: tools now this year. I mean in the last election,

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Speaker 4: we added nine days of early voting that started Saturday.

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Speaker 4: First day, sixty five hundred showed up. Next day it

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Speaker 4: was another like four thousand. We've had over six hundred

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Speaker 4: thousand people vote absentee so far for the February twenty

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Speaker 4: seventh election. But it's about building and using the tools,

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Speaker 4: using the issues. Choice is obviously huge for us. I mean,

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Speaker 4: we put on the ballot and passed a change in

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Speaker 4: our Michigan constitution in twenty twenty two. People got signatures,

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Speaker 4: they worked hard, we got that passed. And now we

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Speaker 4: know that if Trump is reelected in Republic and Congress

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Speaker 4: and they pass a national abortion band, that all goes away.

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Speaker 4: Nothing that we put in a month matters. And people

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Speaker 4: are suddenly going, oh my goodness, I mean, we have

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Speaker 4: to do this, yes, we have to do this again.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk for a minute about abortion. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the fact that they took the federal right away from

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Speaker 1: us is just infuriating. I think a lot of women

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Speaker 1: continue to be furious about it. When you talk to voters,

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Speaker 1: I mean, do they understand that a second Trump term

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Speaker 1: will be in a federal abortion.

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Speaker 4: That they do, although it's something that people are just

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Speaker 4: beginning to really understand. I think for all of us,

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Speaker 4: we work so hard, and in twenty twenty two, I

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Speaker 4: mean twenty twenty two, it was the number one reason

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Speaker 4: that young people came out to vote. I think the

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Speaker 4: last voter if you're in line at eight pm, you

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Speaker 4: know you can vote on less night. And I think

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Speaker 4: the last voter was like one am in the morning

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Speaker 4: in Michigan and Michigan State. And we won that and

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Speaker 4: we put it in the constitution, and then we elected

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Speaker 4: for the first time in four years, not only a

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Speaker 4: Democratic governor, but Democratic state House and state Senate, the

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Speaker 4: trifecta for the first time in forty years. They went

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Speaker 4: in and repealed all these other laws that related anti

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Speaker 4: choice laws and so on. And so we think in

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Speaker 4: Michigan people have felt like, hey, we're good. You know,

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Speaker 4: we're good. And there's twenty two states that have done,

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Speaker 4: you know, some form of what we did in Michigan,

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Speaker 4: And so now we are saying to folks and people know,

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Speaker 4: but I don't think everybody knows yet. So this is

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Speaker 4: going to be a major focus for US going forward

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Speaker 4: that it doesn't matter what states have done, the federal

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Speaker 4: ban will take away all of that. So between now

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Speaker 4: and the election, believe me, people are going to know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have to say, the reporting of the

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Speaker 1: New York Times this weekend about the architect of SBA,

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Speaker 1: the Texas van which did functionally overturn Row, with him

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Speaker 1: fantasizing about using the Comstock Act to make it so

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Speaker 1: that you can't send the pill in the mail, was

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Speaker 1: pretty terrifying.

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Speaker 4: Well, and if a pristone, you know, the Supreme Court

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Speaker 4: has a case before them that they'll have to deciding,

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Speaker 4: you know, before they leave in June. And essentially, you know,

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Speaker 4: the majority of early abortions and the for several weeks

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Speaker 4: are done through medical you know, through methi pristone, through medicine,

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Speaker 4: and so that becomes another way. They have a band.

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Speaker 4: They're not going to give up. They are not going

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Speaker 4: to give out. That's why we got to take back

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Speaker 4: the US House. We got to hold the Senate. Joe

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Speaker 4: Biden and Kamala Harris have got to get re elected.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trumps you know, at some point we'll be going

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Speaker 4: to prison, I predict, and then we move on. So

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Speaker 4: that's the way we protect this.

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Speaker 1: In some ways, we've come so far as women and

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Speaker 1: just generally is it more progressive society, And in some

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Speaker 1: ways we're just right back there with Roe. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it must be really just a sort of tough thing

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Speaker 1: to sort of make sense of.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean, it's totally is I mean, I

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Speaker 4: was in college and Roll became law and it was like,

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Speaker 4: oh my god. I mean, and to see this, you know,

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Speaker 4: we make step forward and then the opposition pushes back.

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Speaker 4: And that's always been the case, always been the case,

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Speaker 4: and that's what's happening now. For every positive reaction, your action,

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Speaker 4: there is a reaction. And a wonderful woman, doctor Carol Anderson,

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Speaker 4: has done several books, one called White Rage, where she

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Speaker 4: talked about every positive step forward on race, there was

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Speaker 4: a reaction, you know, I mean, and we elect President

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Speaker 4: Barack Obama and then the reaction is Donald Trump. It's

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Speaker 4: back and forth and back and forth. And the key

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Speaker 4: is that we keep moving forward even when it is hard,

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Speaker 4: and we're probably being tested now more than certainly anytime

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Speaker 4: in our lifetimes. There are other moments in history, but

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Speaker 4: for us, this is it. We cannot give up, we

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Speaker 4: cannot try to ignore this, and hopefully it's going to

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Speaker 4: go away. So we've just got to do what needs

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Speaker 4: to be done. Lack in leaders that are going to

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Speaker 4: stand up for our freedoms, including a reproductive freedom, and

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Speaker 4: then just keep moving.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm struck by where we are in technology right now.

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Speaker 1: Is the technology has not respected local news and has

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Speaker 1: really kind.

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Speaker 2: Of crushed it.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's a chance that Congress, if there

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Speaker 1: is a Democratic Congress Senate, that there is any way

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Speaker 1: that electeds will sort of take a step back and

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Speaker 1: sort of regulate social media.

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Speaker 2: In any way or you think that's never happening.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that will happen if we have a

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Speaker 4: democratic majority. There has to be guardrails, parameters. We've seen

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Speaker 4: so much change, and honestly, you go back to Nugenrich

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Speaker 4: and the Republicans in the House, and I think it

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Speaker 4: was nineteen ninety six when they did a way with

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Speaker 4: the fairness doctrine. Remember if you ask somebody, you got

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Speaker 4: equal time, and that went away, and the guardrail around

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Speaker 4: how much media one company or a person could own

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Speaker 4: went away. And ever since then, it's got worse and

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Speaker 4: worse and worse. And then you add on top of

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Speaker 4: that social media and the explosion on all of this,

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Speaker 4: and we all know that, you know, they create algorithms,

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Speaker 4: they want to keep you on by keeping you man

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Speaker 4: and so on. So this we have to we have

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Speaker 4: to have accountability around this. I think more than anything else,

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Speaker 4: this has created the explosion of people's anger and hate

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Speaker 4: and distrust of one another and so on. So we

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Speaker 4: have to get arms around this.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Senator, my pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Colin already represents Texas's thirty second district and is

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Speaker 1: a candidate for the United States Senate.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Colin.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks so much for having me, mel I really

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Speaker 6: appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're back on a very special anniversary.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about the anniversary the one

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Speaker 1: year anniversary of a very special day?

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Speaker 6: Well we're three years.

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Speaker 2: Three years.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, you could tell him, laser focused on what matters.

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Speaker 1: The three year anniversary of the day that Ted Cruz

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Speaker 1: went to Mexico.

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Speaker 6: It's a remarkable anniversary because still every text I come

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Speaker 6: across knows exactly where they were and what they experienced

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Speaker 6: during the statewide freeze. It's that they could just sear

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Speaker 6: it into our minds. And this is in the moment

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Speaker 6: that Ted Cruz decided it was a good time to

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Speaker 6: go on vacation to kan Kum. And since then he

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Speaker 6: has just joked about it. And he just joked about

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Speaker 6: the other day saying, when we had our freeze at Texas,

686
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Speaker 6: it gets too cold, you can join me in kang Kum.

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Speaker 6: And there's nothing funny at all about this. And I

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Speaker 6: said on TV during the crisis that I was shocked

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Speaker 6: at how arrogant and callous he was behaving. Our governor

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Speaker 6: was going on TV blaming renewable energy when that that

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Speaker 6: wasn't the cause of what happened. I couldn't believe just

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Speaker 6: how arrogant the folks who were supposed to be responsible

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Speaker 6: for trying to help Texans get out of this we're

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Speaker 6: behaving when hundreds of Texans died, millions more didn't have power,

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Speaker 6: thousands more were forced from their homes or had enormous

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Speaker 6: damage that are homes from pipes bursting, causing all kinds

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Speaker 6: of damage. It really is a remarkable thing, and I

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Speaker 6: think it's an example of what happens when you have

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Speaker 6: left the officials in place, like Ted Crews, who don't

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Speaker 6: really care about the folks that represent.

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Speaker 1: Texas is a really interesting state because your power grid

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Speaker 1: is not on the national.

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Speaker 2: Grid because of deregulation.

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Speaker 1: Right, explain to our listeners exactly why Texas, an enormous

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Speaker 1: state that is bigger than many countries, has these energy problems.

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Speaker 1: And then also, I would hope you might talk about

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Speaker 1: how Texas this summer at least was saved by renewable.

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Speaker 6: It's a paradox that we are the energy capital of

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Speaker 6: the country and I think in some ways of the world,

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Speaker 6: and we've been having enormous issues keeping the lights on.

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Speaker 6: And that's because of as you mentioned, we are not

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Speaker 6: a part of the national grid network. There are parts

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Speaker 6: of Texas, like Opasso that do get some of the

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Speaker 6: national grid, but most of the state is not on

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Speaker 6: the national grid. And so if we have something and that.

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Speaker 2: Was a decision made by Republicans.

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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, And the idea here was that they didn't

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Speaker 6: want to have to comply with the regulations that would

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Speaker 6: be necessary to be a part of that. We had

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Speaker 6: a similar kind of crisis that wasn't quite as bad

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Speaker 6: a few years before this statewide freeze in which the

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Speaker 6: federal regulators made some suggestions about what should be done

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Speaker 6: to prevent this from happening, but they couldn't enforce it,

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Speaker 6: of course, because we weren't part of the national grid,

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Speaker 6: and those suggestions were ignored, and then what happened was

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Speaker 6: actually quite a predictable outcome if you have a kind

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Speaker 6: of a unique situation, but not one that was unforseeeable,

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Speaker 6: where you had almost the entire state under a freeze

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Speaker 6: and you had multiple gas lines frozen, multiple forms of

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Speaker 6: thermal energy offline. It was a predictable outcome, and it's

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Speaker 6: one of these things that also I think shows when

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Speaker 6: you have irresponsible leadership in place, what can happen. Because

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Speaker 6: we were on notice that this is something that we

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Speaker 6: could have happened in our state, and as you said,

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Speaker 6: this summer, actually every summer, we're going to set a

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Speaker 6: record for killawatt power needed. Every summer's for US is

737
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Speaker 6: going up in terms of hotter summers, but also we

738
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Speaker 6: have more folks, so we're rapidly growing states. So every

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Speaker 6: summer we are setting a record in terms of how

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Speaker 6: much energy we need. And the only reason that we

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Speaker 6: kept the lights on this summer was because of dramatic

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Speaker 6: and really substantive supplies from wind and solar. In some cases,

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Speaker 6: we are the number one wind energy state in the country.

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Speaker 6: We're number two in solar. Our energy mix is actually

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Speaker 6: quite diversified, and that has been not a result of

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Speaker 6: our state politicians. Has actually been a result of those

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Speaker 6: renewable sources being so competitive and so cheat that they

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Speaker 6: were able to play a role in keeping the lights on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, Republicans didn't want right now, so they left

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Speaker 1: the federal power grid.

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Speaker 2: They then found because of global.

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Speaker 1: Warming, because of the lack of regulation, the temperatures were

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Speaker 1: so high or so low that you wouldn't have the

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Speaker 1: gas or the energy to power your grid that was

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Speaker 1: not attached to the federal grid. And then now that

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Speaker 1: renewables are so cheap, Republicans are sort of unable to

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Speaker 1: stop them.

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I mean that's the thing is is that

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Speaker 6: a lot of our energy companies have already seen the

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Speaker 6: benefits of renewable energy can provide, and they've moved in

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Speaker 6: this direction on their own. The market has moved in

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Speaker 6: that direction, and I think some smart investments at the

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Speaker 6: federal level, like the Inflation Reduction Acts, which for folks

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Speaker 6: who don't know what that bill is, it's really just

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Speaker 6: the biggest green energy bill in the American history. Have

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Speaker 6: I think added to that just in recent months. But

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Speaker 6: this is because these sources of power are really good

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Speaker 6: and they are an important part of our mix, and

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Speaker 6: so I've always advocated for in all the above approach.

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Speaker 6: In Texas, we're energy steak. We're always going to be

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Speaker 6: an energy state. Our energy mix is changing, but we

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Speaker 6: are adding jobs in the energy sector by having renewable

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Speaker 6: as part of our mix, not taking jobs away. And

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Speaker 6: that's an important distinction because I think we have a

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Speaker 6: lot of folks here who work at energy and this

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Speaker 6: is a growing part of our economy.

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Speaker 1: Right It's important because it shows that ultimately renewables are

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Speaker 1: cheap enough so they will hopefully save us if Republicans can, so.

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Speaker 2: I try to stop them.

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Speaker 1: So talk to me about what Texas looks like right

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Speaker 1: now from those of us in the outside. For Democrats, certainly,

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Speaker 1: Texas has been a heartbreak. Tell us why it's not

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Speaker 1: going to be a heartbreak this time.

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Speaker 6: Well, listen, for us, this is about the future. This

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Speaker 6: election that's coming up, and it's also about a senator

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Speaker 6: who hasn't been doing the job that any a senator

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Speaker 6: I think could be expected to do, which is to

788
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 6: try and pass legislation, to help his constituents, to be

789
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Speaker 6: concerned about the lives of its constituents, to actually care.

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Speaker 6: And that's what makes this I think a different election,

791
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Speaker 6: is that Ted Cruz is somebody who, as we just

792
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Speaker 6: talked about, does abandon us thirty million Texans are freesently

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Speaker 6: and dark, but also who votes against every piece of

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Speaker 6: legislation that would help our state, whether it's the Chips

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Speaker 6: Science Act that John Cornen helped pass and Crews vote against,

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Speaker 6: or just recently this effort to try and help secure

797
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Speaker 6: the border and have some reforms to the asylum system,

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Speaker 6: and Ted Cruz opposed it not because of the policy,

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Speaker 6: but because of the politics. You know, he wanted to

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Speaker 6: run the problem. And so that's made him be in

801
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Speaker 6: this situation where he is not the most vulnerable Republican

802
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Speaker 6: senator in the country, but also where most Texans are

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Speaker 6: just ready to move on from him. I have a

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Speaker 6: very different story, one that has rooted in being four

805
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Speaker 6: generation Texan, being raised in Dallas by single mom, playing

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Speaker 6: at Baylor, being captain the football team there, making to

807
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Speaker 6: the NFL, going to voting rights, and serving the Obama administration,

808
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Speaker 6: and serving in Congress in a way that has shown

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Speaker 6: that it's possible to actually bring folks together. And I'm

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Speaker 6: proud that I've been the most part partisan member of

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Speaker 6: the Texas delegation while also being one of the leading

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Speaker 6: voices for democracy and civil rights, you know, I think

813
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Speaker 6: in the coingris And so this election is one that's

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Speaker 6: going to be incredibly important for the future Texas. We

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Speaker 6: are experiencing what a total ban on abortion or near

816
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Speaker 6: total ban on abortion looks like. And the only way

817
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Speaker 6: that we can resolve this is at the federal level,

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Speaker 6: because our state is not going to do it. Our

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Speaker 6: state courts are not going to do it, our state

820
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Speaker 6: legislature is not going to do it. The only way

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Speaker 6: for us to restore these rights to Texans, Texas women,

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Speaker 6: to Texas families, to restore access abortion and just medical care,

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Speaker 6: we'll be at the federal level by codifying Roby Wade.

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Speaker 6: And that's something that I've goted to do in the House,

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Speaker 6: but we have him be able to get through the Senate.

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Speaker 6: When I'm in the Senate, we will.

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Speaker 1: Texas would actually be Democrats really their closest to pick

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Speaker 1: up opportunity. You know, I think so much about like

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Speaker 1: in previous cycles. I remember having a candidate for Senate

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Speaker 1: on this podcast and everyone said I was crazy because

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Speaker 1: the polling showed him about eight points behind in the

832
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Speaker 1: state of Wisconsin. He ended up losing about like half

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Speaker 1: a point. So I'm hoping you can like just talk

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Speaker 1: to us about why Texas is bluer than we think.

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Speaker 6: I don't see us in terms of red or blue.

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Speaker 6: I do see us in terms of a weirre state

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Speaker 6: that hasn't had enough folks voting, and we've been a

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Speaker 6: non voting state. That's been our biggest issue, and it's

839
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Speaker 6: in the millions, the numbers that we're talking about here.

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Speaker 6: We had nine point five million registered voters who didn't

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Speaker 6: vote in the last election, so the numbers are staggering.

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Speaker 6: Now we are a big state, so those numbers can

843
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Speaker 6: be big, and our task in every election has to

844
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Speaker 6: be a chip away I had that and try to

845
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Speaker 6: get more of our fellow Texans involved, both for fairer

846
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Speaker 6: elections but also just for our democracy. I mean, you

847
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 6: just can't really have a representative democracy when that many

848
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Speaker 6: folks are not involved in it. But the other part

849
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Speaker 6: of it is, you know, there are a lot of

850
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 6: folks out there who are looking around and saying, you know, listen,

851
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Speaker 6: I'm a Republican, but I'm not that kind of Republican.

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Speaker 6: In fact, I had an event last night. Several folks

853
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 6: came out to me and said, you know, I've never

854
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Speaker 6: supported them Prey before. This is the first time done.

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Speaker 6: I cannot sport ted Cruz and where things are going.

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Speaker 6: This is a very real phenomenon. And this is part

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Speaker 6: of how you know, I got elected to Congress by

858
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Speaker 6: a lot of folks who were big supporters of George W.

859
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 6: Bush and felt like the party had changed beneath them.

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Speaker 6: They no longer recognized it. And you know, and I

861
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Speaker 6: certainly want to run a campaign, and I certain have

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Speaker 6: tried to serve in Congress in a way that can

863
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 6: be inclusive enough for folks like that to feel like

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Speaker 6: they can also be a part of our movement. If

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Speaker 6: you accept election results, if you believe that we should

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Speaker 6: stand up to Vladimir Putin and not try to let

867
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Speaker 6: him take over countries and kill political dissidents, If you

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Speaker 6: believe that we shouldn't try to undermine all of our

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Speaker 6: fundamental institutions in this country, whether it's our court systems

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Speaker 6: or in the way that we process and count the

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Speaker 6: votes after an election. Then you're part of my coalition

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Speaker 6: and I want your vote. And there are a lot

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Speaker 6: of folks out there who are like that, and a

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Speaker 6: lot of folks out there who look at Ted Cruz

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Speaker 6: and say, you know, you really should be trying to

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Speaker 6: actually get something done at some point. And that's why

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Speaker 6: we're in this situation where we're going a very close

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Speaker 6: race right now. It's going to finish as a very

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Speaker 6: close race, and I need folks help, need them to

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Speaker 6: get involved, go to Colin alread dot com, help us

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Speaker 6: out and make sure that who we are actually as

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Speaker 6: sexans is represented.

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Speaker 1: On November fifth, it does seem to me like Ted

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Speaker 1: Cruise has gone really full maga.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I think that's probably true. And I think it's

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Speaker 6: surprising because of how personal the attacks were on him

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Speaker 6: by Donald Trump. Apparently there's no level of debasement that's

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Speaker 6: low enough, you know. I mean, I know how I

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Speaker 6: would respond if somebody, you know, talked about my family

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Speaker 6: that way, and it certainly wouldn't be to try and

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Speaker 6: overthrow an election for them just a couple of years later.

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Speaker 6: But that's the choice that's been made. Obviously. To me,

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Speaker 6: the real issue, though more so than whether or not

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Speaker 6: he's got a full MAGA, is that he is completely

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Speaker 6: incapable I think of being a functioning United States senator

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Speaker 6: for US. You know, he is not serious about the work.

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Speaker 6: I come across so many people who there's an issue.

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Speaker 6: They know they can contact me, and they're in my

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Speaker 6: congressional district that they can contact John Cornyn. They know

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Speaker 6: they can't contact tecers because he's not going to do

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Speaker 6: anything for them.

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Speaker 2: So that's on the constituent services.

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Speaker 6: Side, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean, but also it's big businesses.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's not just you know, folks who need

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Speaker 6: help with you know, their tax returns. I mean, this

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Speaker 6: is across the board. It's an attitude and an arrogance

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Speaker 6: that I think leads Hooks to feel like we really

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Speaker 6: don't have two senators right now. And you know, we

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Speaker 6: see have a guy who's podcasting three times a week,

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Speaker 6: which Molly, you know how much time that take.

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Speaker 2: You know, he is but a humble podcast.

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Speaker 1: I was hoping you could talk about Ted Cruz's he

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Speaker 1: found a Biden whistleblower, and the whistleblower turned out to

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Speaker 1: actually be lying, and now that was a blower has

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Speaker 1: been indicted. I haven't seen a lot of or any

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Speaker 1: miacopa from Ted Cruz.

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Speaker 2: Can you talk about that.

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Speaker 6: It's just been ir remarkable. Yeah, there's the kind of

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Speaker 6: the again, the arrogance of you know, well, if that

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Speaker 6: didn't work, and then we'll just ignore it. This is

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Speaker 6: what he's interested in, the culture wars, the fake political fights,

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Speaker 6: not actually doing any big substance in for Texans. And

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Speaker 6: when you grow up like I did in Dallas and

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Speaker 6: you're raised by a single mom, and you go to

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Speaker 6: our public schools like I did, and you rely on

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Speaker 6: your community, yeah, I think you get a much more

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Speaker 6: kind of grounded perspective of how important it is that

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Speaker 6: you know, these kind of ladders of opportunity be in

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Speaker 6: place for folks. That's why you know, my bipartisanship isn't

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Speaker 6: a function of that. I'm trying to just have like

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Speaker 6: a stat that said I'm trying to get something done

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Speaker 6: anything through a Congress that's incredibly difficult to get anything passed,

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Speaker 6: because I know there are oaks out there who are

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Speaker 6: working two jobs or three jobs, and they're hoping they're

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Speaker 6: elected officials working as hard as they are, and Ted

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Speaker 6: Cruise isn't right.

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Speaker 1: They really wanted to impeach President Biden really because they

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Speaker 1: thought it would help Trump, which is really not high

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Speaker 1: crimes and misdemeanors.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's not how any of this is supposed

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Speaker 2: to work.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just the perversion of our democratic norms, that's

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Speaker 1: just so insane.

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Speaker 6: Well, we just had the I guess it's like the

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Speaker 6: you know, the Seinfeld impeachment of my orchis, you know,

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Speaker 6: because it's about nothing, right, I have to say, just

947
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Speaker 6: in my now, my sixty year in Congress, the stunts

948
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Speaker 6: have taken over, like the tale is fully bagging the dog.

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Speaker 6: To be honest, we have to have a correction here

950
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Speaker 6: in the selection where we send a message as text

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Speaker 6: and certainly as Americans that we need serious people in

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Speaker 6: public office, that we can't just have all these clownish

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Speaker 6: stuff going on. I don't want to go too much

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Speaker 6: into it because I'm part of the Foreign Afairs Committee

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Speaker 6: and I'm brief done these things. But the Russians are

956
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Speaker 6: doing very real things, Chinese are doing very real things.

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Speaker 6: We have a rash of coups in Africa. We are

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Speaker 6: seeing democracy on the run in some ways around the world.

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Speaker 6: Everybody is looking to the United States to be that

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Speaker 6: central point that can stand strong in a storm and

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Speaker 6: say we're going to make it through this and we're

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Speaker 6: not going to fall into some kind of global conflict

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Speaker 6: again or some kind of era of human rights being

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Speaker 6: taken away instead of expanded for the first time in

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Speaker 6: fifty or sixty years. And this is a time that

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Speaker 6: the United States has to be there, and we are

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Speaker 6: failing in that because of our political dysfunction, because of

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Speaker 6: these extremists who just want to have something that can

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Speaker 6: tweet out instead of something they want to actually pass legislatively.

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Speaker 6: And it wasn't always this way. Friends with a number

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Speaker 6: of my Republican colleagues who are no longer in Congress

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Speaker 6: because they've been driven out, and it just wasn't that

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Speaker 6: long ago that we had a fairly substantive Republican Congress

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Speaker 6: that even if I disagreed with what they were trying

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Speaker 6: to do, that they actually had something they wanted to do.

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Speaker 6: And folks like tech crews are responsible for this. They

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Speaker 6: put us into this ridiculous era. And if it's such

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Speaker 6: a message for us and such a self correction for

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Speaker 6: us to be able to urse that here really true.

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Speaker 1: I think it would be amazing if you could just

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Speaker 1: sort of give us, like what do people need from you?

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Speaker 2: I mean, is it door knocking? Is it? I mean

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Speaker 2: if you were able to flip the seat.

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Speaker 1: I think it would mean so much, not just for

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Speaker 1: like Texas, but also just it would mean a real

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Speaker 1: rejection of MAGA and burn it down principles.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, I always say this is going to be

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Speaker 6: about Texans talking to Texans in neighbors, talk at neighbors.

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Speaker 6: So this is going to be about us here in Texas.

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Speaker 6: But we could use a lot of help in terms

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Speaker 6: of making sure that our fellow Texans can be engaged

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Speaker 6: in this election. And to me, that comes down to

993
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Speaker 6: there's no easy way to help help a voter or

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Speaker 6: to turn a maybe voter into a voter. It's just

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Speaker 6: hard work. It's just you know, ten twelve fourteen interactions

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Speaker 6: with that individual. And I've done it as a voting

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Speaker 6: rights lawyer before I ever came to Congress, and I've

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Speaker 6: done it now. Of course, it's a candidate running in

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Speaker 6: districts where we needed to get more folks out to

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Speaker 6: vote in order to win, and so it's incredibly labor intensive.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's also something that does take resources. So

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Speaker 6: I'm asking folks if they can to get involved with us.

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Speaker 6: Text Texas to nine zero six seven eight. Find out

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Speaker 6: how you can get involved, whether that's phone banking or

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Speaker 6: door knocking or contributing, or telling your friends in Texas

1006
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Speaker 6: how they can be involved. This can be an effort

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Speaker 6: that can be such a positive for Texas and for

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Speaker 6: our country. You know, when I ran in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 6: I rank It's a twenty two year incumbent Republican who

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Speaker 6: had been unopposed in the previous selection. Nobody thought he

1011
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Speaker 6: could be beatn he was the chairman of the rules committee.

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Speaker 6: He was like the furniture. We couldn't get rid of them.

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Speaker 6: And we beat him by nearly seven points by mobilizing

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Speaker 6: new voters who'd ever been involved, and by reaching across

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Speaker 6: out and getting independents and principal Republicans to come over

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Speaker 6: to our side. And we can do that here though

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Speaker 6: we need chell us help.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Colin.

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Speaker 6: Okay, thank you so much, Molly. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: They're no moment full Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 5: You know Middog first. Many times we are guests that

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Speaker 5: when we say things are going to get bad. But

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Speaker 5: the second Trump term really looks like it would be

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Speaker 5: the Handmaid's Tale. Just like everyone was saying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, incredible stuff here out of Politico. This is what

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Speaker 1: we talk about when we talk about the steaks as

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Speaker 1: opposed to the odds, right like, instead of a million

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Speaker 1: Nate Silver pieces about the odds of a Biden re elect,

1029
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Speaker 1: what we really need are these steaks of a Trump reelect.

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Speaker 2: And here we go.

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Speaker 1: Among some of the top proposals for second Trump admin

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Speaker 1: end surrogacy. Okay, they're going to end having a surrogate

1033
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Speaker 1: to carry your child, which has provided children for all

1034
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Speaker 1: of these childless couples.

1035
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Speaker 2: And no fault divorce, which was by.

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Speaker 1: The way, signed into law by communist Marxist liberal Ronald

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Speaker 1: Reagan in the state of California. It has been a

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Speaker 1: huge boon for women's empowerment, and it has cut the

1039
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Speaker 1: numbers for domestic violence way down. So you bring that back,

1040
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Speaker 1: you're going to see more women murdered by their romantic partners.

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Speaker 1: Invoke the Insurrection Act to stop protests. He's already talked

1042
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Speaker 1: about it. We know that's coming insects, ad in school.

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Speaker 1: No better way to get teen pregnancy going than to

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Speaker 1: endsecx AT and stop policies that subsidize single motherhood. Spoiler,

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Speaker 1: there is no subsidizing single motherhood in this country.

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Speaker 5: And with the Alabama Supreme Court ruling that frozen embryos

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Speaker 5: are children and citing the Bible in an opinion, I

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Speaker 5: think we could see here they're not joking about this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Chrysto fascism here they come. And that is

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Speaker 2: our moment of fuckery.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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Speaker 1: every mon Monday, Wednesday, and Friday to hear the best

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1055
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Speaker 1: friend and keep the conversation going.

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Speaker 2: And again, thanks for listening.