Speaker 1: Good morning, keeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl. Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks.
Speaker 1: I am struggling this week, and when I have these
Speaker 1: days of struggle, I feel it necessary to share because
Speaker 1: I think that too many of us, when we are
Speaker 1: feeling incredibly overwhelmed or hopeless, keep that information to ourselves.
Speaker 1: When I woke up at the beginning of this week
Speaker 1: to see that Italy had elected a fascist to lead
Speaker 1: their country, Georgia Maloney, who who had become and was
Speaker 1: lifted up as a darling of the American far right,
Speaker 1: being you know, celebrated by Steve Bannon, Donald Trump, Victor
Speaker 1: orbon In, Hungary the Dictator and Hungry Putin and others.
Speaker 1: And she has made no qualms about her agenda and
Speaker 1: about her allegiance. This is somebody that at the age
Speaker 1: of fifteen fifteen years old, began their own fascist nationalist
Speaker 1: organization that then was disbanded because of Italy's history with
Speaker 1: fascism and authoritarianism, it was illegal to create those types
Speaker 1: of groups. Well, change a few logos and you call
Speaker 1: yourself a conservative, but continue with the same ideology and
Speaker 1: teachings of Mussolini that she has held up as an
Speaker 1: incredible statesman. She is now going to be in charge
Speaker 1: of the third largest economy in Europe. Italy, not unlike
Speaker 1: the United States, has experienced economic devastation, a lot of
Speaker 1: it prior to the pandemic, but certainly exacerbated by it.
Speaker 1: What has also happened because Italy has a coalition government,
Speaker 1: you know, you had votes that were split, and as
Speaker 1: we will have conversation with doctor Jonathan Metzo, there was
Speaker 1: a miscalculation by the center left parties that if you
Speaker 1: hold up this extreme personality and character, that that in
Speaker 1: and of itself will be enough to drive people to
Speaker 1: the polls. Well, guess what, it didn't, and many many
Speaker 1: people in Italy stayed the fuck home and it was
Speaker 1: a historically low voter turnout. So now they have a
Speaker 1: fascist in arch, somebody who is believes in cleansing the
Speaker 1: country when it comes to the migrant population, that wants
Speaker 1: to have strict borders for particularly for Northern Africans, that is,
Speaker 1: believes in the quote unquote traditional family, and wants to
Speaker 1: rescind Italy's same sex marriage law that was passed in
Speaker 1: roughly around twenty sixteen. Any of this sound familiar, and
Speaker 1: after her win, all of conservative social media lit up
Speaker 1: with congratulations and applause, and I am left absolutely fucking
Speaker 1: dumbstruck because one when Biden referred to these fucking basket
Speaker 1: of deplorables as semi fascists, they got all up in arms,
Speaker 1: and clearly the only thing that they got up in
Speaker 1: arms about was the fact that they were being referred
Speaker 1: to as semi fascists as opposed to one hundred percent fascists,
Speaker 1: because I don't know in what other fucking time in
Speaker 1: America's history do you have American politicians celebrating the win
Speaker 1: of somebody that is associated with celebrates lifts up is
Speaker 1: in communication with the fucking granddaughters of Mussolini, a man
Speaker 1: that was murdered, captured, murdered by his own people, hung
Speaker 1: upside down by his fucking feet in the town square
Speaker 1: in Milan. Rachel Maddow did a kick ass opening on
Speaker 1: Monday Night where she gave the history lesson that you
Speaker 1: know you probably didn't get in school because we gloss
Speaker 1: over every fucking thing. Hence why we continue to repeat
Speaker 1: the awful aspects of our history, Because we don't fucking
Speaker 1: teach it. So here we are arriving at a time
Speaker 1: when world powers are reorienting themselves around authoritarianism and fascism.
Speaker 1: This is not hyperbolic. Look at the fucking maps. Look
Speaker 1: at who's running and winning in both this country and abroad.
Speaker 1: Jonathan and I will get into a conversation that frankly
Speaker 1: is making my stomach turn because it's thinking about where
Speaker 1: would the world have been without the bombing of Pearl
Speaker 1: Harbor that forced the United States into World War Two?
Speaker 1: After six million Jewish people and others were murdered in
Speaker 1: camps that we knew about but didn't do dick about
Speaker 1: until we were bombed. What happens to the world when
Speaker 1: there isn't America to come in and actually advocate for
Speaker 1: and fight for democracy. Now we know that America ain't
Speaker 1: fucking perfect that we know to be one hundred percent try.
Speaker 1: We also know that we only enter into wars and
Speaker 1: supply you know, arms when it suits us economically. We
Speaker 1: absolutely know that it doesn't diminish the fact that without
Speaker 1: the United States entering into World War two, the number
Speaker 1: of six million Jews would have exceeded exponentially and just
Speaker 1: spread right around Europe, around the world. So when you
Speaker 1: have a realigning of power that is happening right now,
Speaker 1: and it is going into the hands of those that
Speaker 1: believe that white supremacy is the way by lens is
Speaker 1: the only fucking solution. An oppression is the mode of operation.
Speaker 1: What do you do? I can't express to you all
Speaker 1: enough that we are being called up in a moment
Speaker 1: that is going to define this country and the world
Speaker 1: for generations to come. We're so obsessed with sci fi
Speaker 1: and fantasy like the Hunger Games and The Handmaid's Tail,
Speaker 1: and the reality is all of those things have been
Speaker 1: foreshadowing for this fucking moment. If people have ever asked themselves,
Speaker 1: who would I have been in World War Two? Who
Speaker 1: would I have been during the fight to abolish slavery?
Speaker 1: Who would I have been during the Civil rights movement?
Speaker 1: This is that time. Are you willing to answer that call?
Speaker 1: Are you willing to mobilize as many fucking people as
Speaker 1: possible to get to the polls? Are you willing to
Speaker 1: donate if you have the ability to give money as
Speaker 1: much as you possibly can. Are you willing to run
Speaker 1: for office yourself, whether that be from the school board
Speaker 1: level to the fucking Mosquito board to city council and onward.
Speaker 1: Now is the time for good people not to sit
Speaker 1: by and allow bad things to happen, because we think
Speaker 1: that by sticking our next out or keeping them in
Speaker 1: rather that we are going to isolate ourselves from bad
Speaker 1: things happening to us. It is already happening and it
Speaker 1: is going to get worse. Coming up next, my conversation
Speaker 1: with our friend, our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzo.
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Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metal day, I don't know what day it is, folks,
Speaker 1: because I feel like we live inside of a weird
Speaker 1: uh continuum that Jeff, I feel like I'm on loop.
Speaker 1: You know what came out is coming out anew Jonathan
Speaker 1: quantum leap. I would like to quantum leap the fuck
Speaker 1: out of the time that we are in right now.
Speaker 1: But um, I want to talk to you about what
Speaker 1: has happening globally and get your thoughts on how it
Speaker 1: ties back to dying of whiteness, how it ties back
Speaker 1: to what we've been experiencing in the United States since
Speaker 1: roughly twenty fifteen. So this week in Italy they had
Speaker 1: elections and have elected Georgia Maloney, who is essentially the
Speaker 1: second coming of Mussolini. When she was fifteen years old,
Speaker 1: she joined a fascist regime that then had to be
Speaker 1: put down because in Italy at the time, creating fascist
Speaker 1: organizations were illegal, right, because of what the country went
Speaker 1: through for decades plus under Mussolini. And she has been
Speaker 1: activated in nationalist groups, in fascist groups, and has become
Speaker 1: a darling of the far right in the United States.
Speaker 1: She has spoken at Seapack, she has spoken at several events.
Speaker 1: And you would think a country like Italy that went
Speaker 1: through so very much under fascist dictators that we wouldn't
Speaker 1: be in this place where we are seeing a reorientation
Speaker 1: of the World War two kind of access that was disrupted,
Speaker 1: you know, because of World War Two, because of America
Speaker 1: coming in, because of other nations in Europe coming in
Speaker 1: and fighting back against Hitler. And you know, we're watching.
Speaker 1: I watched all you know, for the last day or
Speaker 1: so Republicans congratulate this win, celebrate the win of this
Speaker 1: leader that is a fascist. I've watched historians talk about her.
Speaker 1: I've watched people compare the ideology, the even the logo right.
Speaker 1: So I want to get your thoughts on how we
Speaker 1: get to this place where Italy has had the lowest
Speaker 1: voter turnout that they've had in a really long time,
Speaker 1: and but this is this is who now they are
Speaker 1: looking to restore, order to restore I guess jobs talk
Speaker 1: to me about like the parallels that you see and
Speaker 1: how these far right, fascist authoritarian dictatorships come to power,
Speaker 1: Like what is the perfect storm that we're inside of. Well,
Speaker 1: I think there is an important point for the United
Speaker 1: States here. But I think it's important, of course, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody who talks about this says that there's
Speaker 1: kind of a caveat that the Italian right is not
Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green. It's not like they're all part of
Speaker 1: the same party. It's not like I mean, certainly there
Speaker 1: is a move back toward authoritarianism and fascism across the globe,
Speaker 1: and certainly that this reflects that but I think it's
Speaker 1: important to also recognize what the local factors are that
Speaker 1: lead to the rise of power are, because they're different
Speaker 1: in every location. I think the important point for the
Speaker 1: United States, among many, is that the rise of the
Speaker 1: right in Italy is not just about people either tuning
Speaker 1: out or running fascism. It was also about miscalculations on
Speaker 1: the center and the left. They basically people who were
Speaker 1: in the center and the left figured if they put
Speaker 1: up somebody, if they basically destroy their own party and
Speaker 1: put up somebody who was so preposterous on the right
Speaker 1: that people would just kind of see how idiotic this was,
Speaker 1: it would push them back toward their own power. That
Speaker 1: in a way, so she was in a part supported
Speaker 1: by the center and the left because people thought, well,
Speaker 1: this is a perfect way for us to seize power.
Speaker 1: And and and Italy of course is coalition politics. So
Speaker 1: this government may last for a long time, it may not.
Speaker 1: I mean, certainly, fascists are good at holding onto power
Speaker 1: once they get it, so I would not underestimate that,
Speaker 1: but I would say just that that the important point
Speaker 1: for the United States is that this was partially a
Speaker 1: result of miscalculation by our version of the Democrats to say,
Speaker 1: if we put up somebody who's so far right, there's
Speaker 1: no way voters are going to go for it. And
Speaker 1: the reason I say that is because, of course, that's
Speaker 1: the gamble that Democrats have made across the country in
Speaker 1: the United States, that if we put up the Mastriani's
Speaker 1: and the other guys and all these crazy JD vances
Speaker 1: and all this kind of thing. They've in a way
Speaker 1: supported a lot of far right candidates with the assumption
Speaker 1: that everybody's just going to see the world the way
Speaker 1: they do. And I think that is the flashing warning
Speaker 1: right sign besides having a right wing ruler who is
Speaker 1: like super right on every social issue that Democrats care about.
Speaker 1: But I would say that that really it's a challenge
Speaker 1: for for the the Democrats who have pushed for these
Speaker 1: far right candidates in all these positions. I mean, I
Speaker 1: just think that it's a terrifying moment right in a
Speaker 1: way for that reason that that could be a miscalculation
Speaker 1: depending on what happens in the terms, you know. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about the psychology of the moment right
Speaker 1: now and what what we are and what human beings
Speaker 1: are are going through and are experiencing because I feel like,
Speaker 1: because we don't teach history in a comprehensive and honest way,
Speaker 1: that we are always destined to repeat it. There is
Speaker 1: fertile ground that has been laid for the type of
Speaker 1: desperation that people in Italy or feeling, and people around
Speaker 1: this country are feeling, and people around the globe. And
Speaker 1: what I realize is that the people that are responsible
Speaker 1: for creating economic insecurity are also the same people that
Speaker 1: come in to swoop down and say we alone can
Speaker 1: fix this right, that they are creating the conditions for
Speaker 1: societal instability to uplift this fact that if you were
Speaker 1: to just follow us give away a little bit of
Speaker 1: your freedom, that we chip away a little bit here
Speaker 1: and a little bit there, you'll be okay. So my question, Jonathan,
Speaker 1: is about the fertile ground, is how does how does
Speaker 1: this groundwork get laid? Because it doesn't happen overnight, like
Speaker 1: Madeline Albright had said, you know, and it's an old
Speaker 1: quote that, like if you want to pluck a chicken,
Speaker 1: you don't pluck all of the feathers all at once.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing with authoritarianism. You do it one
Speaker 1: feather at a time, and then nobody realizes until the
Speaker 1: chicken is bald that here we are. So how hey,
Speaker 1: let's leave bald out of it. But how do you
Speaker 1: get to a place where you've you've created such fertile
Speaker 1: ground for for these types of people, these types of personalities,
Speaker 1: I should say, to become the answer, I'm teaching this
Speaker 1: class COVID in Society this semester that looks at the
Speaker 1: kind of tectonic shift that was brought about by the pandemic.
Speaker 1: And so given that I'm living in the kind of
Speaker 1: COVID world right now and everything you and I've been
Speaker 1: talking about for the past seventy four years, I would
Speaker 1: say that I would I would say that for me,
Speaker 1: part of the question I always ask is how many
Speaker 1: of these things would have happened without the pandemic. Of course,
Speaker 1: that's an alternate universe where Michael J. Fox doesn't let
Speaker 1: his the bad guy marry his mom. That's not the
Speaker 1: world we're living in. But I would say that I
Speaker 1: would say that, you know, think about what happened with
Speaker 1: the pandemic, right, profound instability risk of globalization exposes social
Speaker 1: safety nets which become all of a sudden costs that
Speaker 1: we can't pay disrupts, supply chains, economy, economies are turning
Speaker 1: upside down, and so and I guess just at the
Speaker 1: most human level, you know, you can get killed by
Speaker 1: talking to somebody else, and so who do you trust
Speaker 1: to breathe their air becomes a really important factor. And
Speaker 1: so I just feel like we're kind of living through
Speaker 1: pandemic politics right now. I mean, that's my personal read
Speaker 1: of it. Is just that the world and existence became
Speaker 1: so uncertain, right the guardrails we thought we had we didn't.
Speaker 1: The things we thought were supporting us became liabilities. And
Speaker 1: in a way, people who rise to the top, not
Speaker 1: just in governments, people will probably see this in their
Speaker 1: daily lives, are kind of asshole naysayers. Really is this
Speaker 1: is a perfect moment for them. Not people who are like,
Speaker 1: let's all solve this together, but more like, I'm selfish
Speaker 1: and we have the right to be selfish or against
Speaker 1: everything that is in any way telling anyone to tell
Speaker 1: anybody to do anything. And so in a way, it's
Speaker 1: it's that kind of moment, and I think we're seeing
Speaker 1: leaders who are a reflection of that around the world. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that would have been the case
Speaker 1: without the pandemic. Certainly we had of course elected Trump
Speaker 1: will before but but I don't know, it's it's a
Speaker 1: it's a moment really for that, because that's the thing
Speaker 1: that that's exactly what I was going to say, was
Speaker 1: that prior to COVID, right, which I believe that we
Speaker 1: are in the perfect phrase, we are living in the
Speaker 1: politics of COVID, the politics of a pandemic, and there
Speaker 1: has been that tetonic shift that I don't think we'll
Speaker 1: ever shift back to normal. We're just we're operating in
Speaker 1: a new abnormal. But prior to that Donald Trump was elected,
Speaker 1: we had we had all of the information that was
Speaker 1: available to us about who this person was, about who
Speaker 1: what kind of politics they believed in, about their misogyny,
Speaker 1: their racism. Donald Trump came out and said I alone
Speaker 1: can fix this, right. Democrats were looking around and saying,
Speaker 1: what are you trying to fix? Because we're coming off
Speaker 1: the Obama years, right, So what you wrote the book
Speaker 1: on racial resentment, which he was able to exacerbate and
Speaker 1: become this strong man figure. And so I'm like, what aside,
Speaker 1: if is there anything aside from just racism and the
Speaker 1: fact that a black man became president of the United States.
Speaker 1: That created the fertile ground for Trumpism in this country.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've always had these tensions, right, I mean America.
Speaker 1: The rough economic framework of America is like people roughly speaking,
Speaker 1: and people come to this very differently and have different
Speaker 1: relationships to it. But the rough framework of America is
Speaker 1: like people roughly buy into a common pool, right, I mean, Otherwise,
Speaker 1: somebody from Louisiana, what do they have in common with
Speaker 1: somebody from Massachusetts, for example, And then you break it
Speaker 1: down by all other kinds of racial groups or ethnic
Speaker 1: groups or political groups. But it's kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we all buy into the notion that we vote for
Speaker 1: our elected leaders. Yeah, we buy into the notion that,
Speaker 1: at least in the post FDR world, you know, we
Speaker 1: pay into things like Medicare or social Security. The state
Speaker 1: does certain things for us, things like that. But those
Speaker 1: things are not given, right, None of those things are given.
Speaker 1: And so I do think that I mean again, those
Speaker 1: things were those things are based on communal participation, and
Speaker 1: when a good part of the population isn't going to
Speaker 1: participate or pay into it, then we can see the
Speaker 1: whole thing is can fall apart. And so I certainly
Speaker 1: think in my book, I saw that with the election
Speaker 1: of Obama, absolutely, and the fact that Obama tried to
Speaker 1: instill the you know, affordable care actus first as first move,
Speaker 1: which was kind of like telling people to pay into
Speaker 1: a common pool, this assumption that we're all in it together,
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of rejection against that. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I guess that's really my question for you.
Speaker 1: Had let's say Mitt Romney had won the presidency, would
Speaker 1: we be in a better place right now? I think
Speaker 1: that we know. I think that in terms of a
Speaker 1: better place with the lack of political violence and the
Speaker 1: rise of white supremacist organizations. Yes, I think that in
Speaker 1: terms of, you know, policy to advance the country. No,
Speaker 1: So I feel like it was you know, six of
Speaker 1: one half and as and of the other, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, were was a black person never supposed to
Speaker 1: ascend to the highest level because we were always going
Speaker 1: to experience a violent white lash, right and because we
Speaker 1: didn't address real racism and we and you know, one
Speaker 1: of one of the things that one of the questions
Speaker 1: that's that's being posed right now is we're as we're
Speaker 1: watching the shift globally. Rachel Maddow did a killer opening
Speaker 1: uh the you know on Monday Night when she gave
Speaker 1: a whole history on Mussolini and a whole history on
Speaker 1: what the Germans did in their deep excavation of how
Speaker 1: did we get here? The Nuremberg Trials, all of these
Speaker 1: things to like get to root out, right, um, the
Speaker 1: core of this, of this hate right, of this, of
Speaker 1: this uh nationalism that that rose in their country to
Speaker 1: such prominence. They were the only ones to do that
Speaker 1: in Europe. No one else went through the kind of
Speaker 1: record that Germany did. And I so my feeling is
Speaker 1: that had we done that, we had we ever done
Speaker 1: that and had that as a core part of our
Speaker 1: values in America of what equity and justice looks like.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that the slave trade and Jim Crow
Speaker 1: would have been avoided, but when we had that twelve
Speaker 1: year opportunity for reconstruction, had we had an actual racial
Speaker 1: reckoning that was embedded into our advancement as a society, no,
Speaker 1: I don't think that we would have ever arrived at
Speaker 1: this place right like, because we would have learned, we
Speaker 1: would have known. That's a part to me of education,
Speaker 1: and that's why this far right movement in the United
Speaker 1: States as well as globally, is so anti education. It's
Speaker 1: so anti you know, academics, it's so anti anyone that
Speaker 1: actually is a critical thinker, because it goes against right,
Speaker 1: their ability to cajole the masses. Yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 1: so the question is like, I mean, I'll just be obviously,
Speaker 1: I come from a family of Holocaust survivors, right, and
Speaker 1: so certainly when things started happening in Germany with anti Semitism,
Speaker 1: it was the intellectuals that got targeted first, shutting down papers,
Speaker 1: burning books, all the things that are almost become like
Speaker 1: if you're living fifty year, eighty years after it like
Speaker 1: almost a stereotype like, oh, burning books, isn't that so
Speaker 1: not creative or something like that. But it's just crazy
Speaker 1: how much these things, these kind of issues replay themselves
Speaker 1: with kind of find another who we can all rally
Speaker 1: against and then take the kind of liberties that would
Speaker 1: be unimaginable against secular society. And so it does feel
Speaker 1: I mean, people who come from my traumatic past or
Speaker 1: were traumatic past, I mean, there's not there's it's not
Speaker 1: a it's not a mystery why we've been like on
Speaker 1: pins and needles for quite some time about these kind
Speaker 1: of things. Um and and at the same time, the
Speaker 1: lesson of kind of World War two is that ultimately
Speaker 1: there were checks and balances in the system. Ultimately, the
Speaker 1: United States, because of a miscalculation of bombing Pole Harbor,
Speaker 1: was forced into a war it probably didn't want to
Speaker 1: go into, but it became. It became a check and
Speaker 1: balance against aggression. But who's the you know, if the
Speaker 1: Republicans take over here, what's the what's going to be
Speaker 1: the world? Who's going to write the world again? Right?
Speaker 1: In a way, you know, it feels like it's a
Speaker 1: continuation of the same, the same conflict. And I'm not
Speaker 1: in any way trying to, of course minimize racism in
Speaker 1: any way, shape or form. And I do agree with
Speaker 1: you that there's that that reckoning that have needed to happen.
Speaker 1: But it's also important to note that it's not just
Speaker 1: that the reckoning didn't happen, it's that the resistance to
Speaker 1: all those things has been going on, just people haven't
Speaker 1: been paying attention to it. I mean, that was what
Speaker 1: I found in Dying of Whiteness, And so I would say,
Speaker 1: I'll just say, is one important, active, active note that
Speaker 1: people better frigg and vote, you know, in this mid term.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean the lesson of Italy is not
Speaker 1: that people were for or anti fascism. It's that some
Speaker 1: people wore for fascism and other people didn't show up,
Speaker 1: and they're going to pay the consequence. And so I
Speaker 1: think that the importance of voting in New York for
Speaker 1: the governor election, in Wyoming, for the secretary of state,
Speaker 1: in wherever you are, for the school board, you know,
Speaker 1: this is kind of the last stand this midterm. In
Speaker 1: a way. I think it's going to be a really
Speaker 1: really important mid term, and so people we can say
Speaker 1: all we want, but if people don't choke to vote,
Speaker 1: we're going to meet the same fate as Italy. Jonathan,
Speaker 1: I have a last question for you that is not
Speaker 1: a light one. You know, you have often talked spoken
Speaker 1: about your family being a family of Holocaust survivors, and
Speaker 1: the question that I have is did they stay and
Speaker 1: survive the camps or did they flee? And if they fled,
Speaker 1: which you're shaking your head that they that they fled,
Speaker 1: what was the final writing on the wall for them
Speaker 1: that said we need to get the hell out of here.
Speaker 1: I mean, we have a huge family. My dad came
Speaker 1: from a huge family of cousins and aunts and grandparents,
Speaker 1: and everybody was in Austria. They'd been in Austria or
Speaker 1: Austria Hungary for hundreds of years. This is our land,
Speaker 1: is our language. And all this shit started happening, and
Speaker 1: my grandfather, of everybody there, started saying, wait, we better
Speaker 1: take this seriously. They're not getting around. All the aunt's, uncle's, cousins,
Speaker 1: grandparents said it's fine, you know, we'll weather the storm.
Speaker 1: It'll be fine. My grandfather was the one person who said, no, wait,
Speaker 1: we got to pay attention to this. He and my
Speaker 1: grandmother and my father escaped to Switzerland at the time,
Speaker 1: which was neutral, and some a few of the last
Speaker 1: people who got into Switzerland. Everybody else stayed in Austria.
Speaker 1: Everybody who stayed, with two exceptions, got murdered in concentration camps.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't about surviving the camps. It was about
Speaker 1: having the foresight to say, hey, wait, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to upend our life, but this stuff is real. So
Speaker 1: it was kind of taking seriously the clue that that
Speaker 1: other people were missing honestly, and so that's kind of
Speaker 1: something I've obviously you can tell carried with me. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't take clues lightly when I think that they're
Speaker 1: real clues. So but but again at the time, you know, anyway, well,
Speaker 1: we'll see how this goes. The world order, you know,
Speaker 1: responded in many ways to the horror of that by
Speaker 1: reshaping the reshaping the world order that's kept us going
Speaker 1: until now. But that seems to be crumbling, and so
Speaker 1: it's kind of like what comes next a new world order? Yeah,
Speaker 1: bitcoin uh, Jonathan adopted Jonathan Metzel, Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for always taking the time to carry such heavy topics
Speaker 1: and help us, um, I don't know, create some create
Speaker 1: some sense, and create some type of pathway. I don't
Speaker 1: know where the pathways lead up today, but hopefully the
Speaker 1: bathway will lead us toward. Like I mean, I'm really
Speaker 1: concerned about the lack of energy for voting in the
Speaker 1: mid term. I mean, I think that's a huge issue
Speaker 1: and that's something that is very palpable right now that
Speaker 1: people can address. Yeah, that is true. Thank you, dear friend.
Speaker 1: We'll pick this up again next week. That is it
Speaker 1: for me today. Dear friends on woke app as always
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