1 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Good morning, keeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl. Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks. 3 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: I am struggling this week, and when I have these 4 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: days of struggle, I feel it necessary to share because 5 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: I think that too many of us, when we are 6 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: feeling incredibly overwhelmed or hopeless, keep that information to ourselves. 7 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: When I woke up at the beginning of this week 8 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: to see that Italy had elected a fascist to lead 9 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: their country, Georgia Maloney, who who had become and was 10 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: lifted up as a darling of the American far right, 11 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: being you know, celebrated by Steve Bannon, Donald Trump, Victor 12 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: orbon In, Hungary the Dictator and Hungry Putin and others. 13 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: And she has made no qualms about her agenda and 14 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: about her allegiance. This is somebody that at the age 15 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: of fifteen fifteen years old, began their own fascist nationalist 16 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: organization that then was disbanded because of Italy's history with 17 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: fascism and authoritarianism, it was illegal to create those types 18 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: of groups. Well, change a few logos and you call 19 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: yourself a conservative, but continue with the same ideology and 20 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: teachings of Mussolini that she has held up as an 21 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: incredible statesman. She is now going to be in charge 22 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: of the third largest economy in Europe. Italy, not unlike 23 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: the United States, has experienced economic devastation, a lot of 24 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: it prior to the pandemic, but certainly exacerbated by it. 25 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: What has also happened because Italy has a coalition government, 26 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: you know, you had votes that were split, and as 27 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: we will have conversation with doctor Jonathan Metzo, there was 28 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: a miscalculation by the center left parties that if you 29 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: hold up this extreme personality and character, that that in 30 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: and of itself will be enough to drive people to 31 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: the polls. Well, guess what, it didn't, and many many 32 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: people in Italy stayed the fuck home and it was 33 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: a historically low voter turnout. So now they have a 34 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: fascist in arch, somebody who is believes in cleansing the 35 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: country when it comes to the migrant population, that wants 36 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: to have strict borders for particularly for Northern Africans, that is, 37 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: believes in the quote unquote traditional family, and wants to 38 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: rescind Italy's same sex marriage law that was passed in 39 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: roughly around twenty sixteen. Any of this sound familiar, and 40 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: after her win, all of conservative social media lit up 41 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: with congratulations and applause, and I am left absolutely fucking 42 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: dumbstruck because one when Biden referred to these fucking basket 43 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: of deplorables as semi fascists, they got all up in arms, 44 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: and clearly the only thing that they got up in 45 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: arms about was the fact that they were being referred 46 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 1: to as semi fascists as opposed to one hundred percent fascists, 47 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: because I don't know in what other fucking time in 48 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: America's history do you have American politicians celebrating the win 49 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: of somebody that is associated with celebrates lifts up is 50 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: in communication with the fucking granddaughters of Mussolini, a man 51 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: that was murdered, captured, murdered by his own people, hung 52 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: upside down by his fucking feet in the town square 53 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: in Milan. Rachel Maddow did a kick ass opening on 54 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: Monday Night where she gave the history lesson that you 55 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: know you probably didn't get in school because we gloss 56 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: over every fucking thing. Hence why we continue to repeat 57 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: the awful aspects of our history, Because we don't fucking 58 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: teach it. So here we are arriving at a time 59 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: when world powers are reorienting themselves around authoritarianism and fascism. 60 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: This is not hyperbolic. Look at the fucking maps. Look 61 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: at who's running and winning in both this country and abroad. 62 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: Jonathan and I will get into a conversation that frankly 63 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: is making my stomach turn because it's thinking about where 64 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: would the world have been without the bombing of Pearl 65 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: Harbor that forced the United States into World War Two? 66 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: After six million Jewish people and others were murdered in 67 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: camps that we knew about but didn't do dick about 68 00:05:54,040 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: until we were bombed. What happens to the world when 69 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: there isn't America to come in and actually advocate for 70 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: and fight for democracy. Now we know that America ain't 71 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: fucking perfect that we know to be one hundred percent try. 72 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: We also know that we only enter into wars and 73 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: supply you know, arms when it suits us economically. We 74 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: absolutely know that it doesn't diminish the fact that without 75 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: the United States entering into World War two, the number 76 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: of six million Jews would have exceeded exponentially and just 77 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: spread right around Europe, around the world. So when you 78 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: have a realigning of power that is happening right now, 79 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: and it is going into the hands of those that 80 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: believe that white supremacy is the way by lens is 81 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: the only fucking solution. An oppression is the mode of operation. 82 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: What do you do? I can't express to you all 83 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: enough that we are being called up in a moment 84 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: that is going to define this country and the world 85 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:29,559 Speaker 1: for generations to come. We're so obsessed with sci fi 86 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: and fantasy like the Hunger Games and The Handmaid's Tail, 87 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: and the reality is all of those things have been 88 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: foreshadowing for this fucking moment. If people have ever asked themselves, 89 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: who would I have been in World War Two? Who 90 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: would I have been during the fight to abolish slavery? 91 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: Who would I have been during the Civil rights movement? 92 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:02,239 Speaker 1: This is that time. Are you willing to answer that call? 93 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: Are you willing to mobilize as many fucking people as 94 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: possible to get to the polls? Are you willing to 95 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: donate if you have the ability to give money as 96 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: much as you possibly can. Are you willing to run 97 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,239 Speaker 1: for office yourself, whether that be from the school board 98 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: level to the fucking Mosquito board to city council and onward. 99 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: Now is the time for good people not to sit 100 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: by and allow bad things to happen, because we think 101 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: that by sticking our next out or keeping them in 102 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: rather that we are going to isolate ourselves from bad 103 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: things happening to us. It is already happening and it 104 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: is going to get worse. 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Folks who know that when 129 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: it is our weekly conversation with our in house doctor, 130 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metal day, I don't know what day it is, folks, 131 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: because I feel like we live inside of a weird 132 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: uh continuum that Jeff, I feel like I'm on loop. 133 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: You know what came out is coming out anew Jonathan 134 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: quantum leap. I would like to quantum leap the fuck 135 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: out of the time that we are in right now. 136 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: But um, I want to talk to you about what 137 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: has happening globally and get your thoughts on how it 138 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: ties back to dying of whiteness, how it ties back 139 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: to what we've been experiencing in the United States since 140 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: roughly twenty fifteen. So this week in Italy they had 141 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: elections and have elected Georgia Maloney, who is essentially the 142 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: second coming of Mussolini. When she was fifteen years old, 143 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: she joined a fascist regime that then had to be 144 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: put down because in Italy at the time, creating fascist 145 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: organizations were illegal, right, because of what the country went 146 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: through for decades plus under Mussolini. And she has been 147 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: activated in nationalist groups, in fascist groups, and has become 148 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: a darling of the far right in the United States. 149 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: She has spoken at Seapack, she has spoken at several events. 150 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: And you would think a country like Italy that went 151 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: through so very much under fascist dictators that we wouldn't 152 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: be in this place where we are seeing a reorientation 153 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: of the World War two kind of access that was disrupted, 154 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: you know, because of World War Two, because of America 155 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: coming in, because of other nations in Europe coming in 156 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: and fighting back against Hitler. And you know, we're watching. 157 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: I watched all you know, for the last day or 158 00:12:54,679 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: so Republicans congratulate this win, celebrate the win of this 159 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: leader that is a fascist. I've watched historians talk about her. 160 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: I've watched people compare the ideology, the even the logo right. 161 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: So I want to get your thoughts on how we 162 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: get to this place where Italy has had the lowest 163 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: voter turnout that they've had in a really long time, 164 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: and but this is this is who now they are 165 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: looking to restore, order to restore I guess jobs talk 166 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: to me about like the parallels that you see and 167 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: how these far right, fascist authoritarian dictatorships come to power, 168 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: Like what is the perfect storm that we're inside of. Well, 169 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: I think there is an important point for the United 170 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: States here. But I think it's important, of course, and 171 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody who talks about this says that there's 172 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: kind of a caveat that the Italian right is not 173 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green. It's not like they're all part of 174 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: the same party. It's not like I mean, certainly there 175 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: is a move back toward authoritarianism and fascism across the globe, 176 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: and certainly that this reflects that but I think it's 177 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: important to also recognize what the local factors are that 178 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: lead to the rise of power are, because they're different 179 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: in every location. I think the important point for the 180 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: United States, among many, is that the rise of the 181 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: right in Italy is not just about people either tuning 182 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: out or running fascism. It was also about miscalculations on 183 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: the center and the left. They basically people who were 184 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: in the center and the left figured if they put 185 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: up somebody, if they basically destroy their own party and 186 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: put up somebody who was so preposterous on the right 187 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: that people would just kind of see how idiotic this was, 188 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: it would push them back toward their own power. That 189 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: in a way, so she was in a part supported 190 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: by the center and the left because people thought, well, 191 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: this is a perfect way for us to seize power. 192 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: And and and Italy of course is coalition politics. So 193 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: this government may last for a long time, it may not. 194 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: I mean, certainly, fascists are good at holding onto power 195 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: once they get it, so I would not underestimate that, 196 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: but I would say just that that the important point 197 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: for the United States is that this was partially a 198 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: result of miscalculation by our version of the Democrats to say, 199 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: if we put up somebody who's so far right, there's 200 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: no way voters are going to go for it. And 201 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: the reason I say that is because, of course, that's 202 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: the gamble that Democrats have made across the country in 203 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: the United States, that if we put up the Mastriani's 204 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: and the other guys and all these crazy JD vances 205 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: and all this kind of thing. They've in a way 206 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: supported a lot of far right candidates with the assumption 207 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: that everybody's just going to see the world the way 208 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: they do. And I think that is the flashing warning 209 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: right sign besides having a right wing ruler who is 210 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: like super right on every social issue that Democrats care about. 211 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: But I would say that that really it's a challenge 212 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: for for the the Democrats who have pushed for these 213 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: far right candidates in all these positions. I mean, I 214 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: just think that it's a terrifying moment right in a 215 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: way for that reason that that could be a miscalculation 216 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: depending on what happens in the terms, you know. I 217 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: want to talk about the psychology of the moment right 218 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: now and what what we are and what human beings 219 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: are are going through and are experiencing because I feel like, 220 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: because we don't teach history in a comprehensive and honest way, 221 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: that we are always destined to repeat it. There is 222 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: fertile ground that has been laid for the type of 223 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: desperation that people in Italy or feeling, and people around 224 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: this country are feeling, and people around the globe. And 225 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: what I realize is that the people that are responsible 226 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: for creating economic insecurity are also the same people that 227 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: come in to swoop down and say we alone can 228 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: fix this right, that they are creating the conditions for 229 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: societal instability to uplift this fact that if you were 230 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: to just follow us give away a little bit of 231 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: your freedom, that we chip away a little bit here 232 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: and a little bit there, you'll be okay. So my question, Jonathan, 233 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: is about the fertile ground, is how does how does 234 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: this groundwork get laid? Because it doesn't happen overnight, like 235 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: Madeline Albright had said, you know, and it's an old 236 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: quote that, like if you want to pluck a chicken, 237 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: you don't pluck all of the feathers all at once. 238 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: It's the same thing with authoritarianism. You do it one 239 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: feather at a time, and then nobody realizes until the 240 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: chicken is bald that here we are. So how hey, 241 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: let's leave bald out of it. But how do you 242 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: get to a place where you've you've created such fertile 243 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: ground for for these types of people, these types of personalities, 244 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: I should say, to become the answer, I'm teaching this 245 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: class COVID in Society this semester that looks at the 246 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: kind of tectonic shift that was brought about by the pandemic. 247 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: And so given that I'm living in the kind of 248 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: COVID world right now and everything you and I've been 249 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: talking about for the past seventy four years, I would 250 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: say that I would I would say that for me, 251 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: part of the question I always ask is how many 252 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: of these things would have happened without the pandemic. Of course, 253 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: that's an alternate universe where Michael J. Fox doesn't let 254 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: his the bad guy marry his mom. That's not the 255 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: world we're living in. But I would say that I 256 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: would say that, you know, think about what happened with 257 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: the pandemic, right, profound instability risk of globalization exposes social 258 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: safety nets which become all of a sudden costs that 259 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: we can't pay disrupts, supply chains, economy, economies are turning 260 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: upside down, and so and I guess just at the 261 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: most human level, you know, you can get killed by 262 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: talking to somebody else, and so who do you trust 263 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: to breathe their air becomes a really important factor. And 264 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: so I just feel like we're kind of living through 265 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: pandemic politics right now. I mean, that's my personal read 266 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: of it. Is just that the world and existence became 267 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 1: so uncertain, right the guardrails we thought we had we didn't. 268 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: The things we thought were supporting us became liabilities. And 269 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: in a way, people who rise to the top, not 270 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: just in governments, people will probably see this in their 271 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: daily lives, are kind of asshole naysayers. Really is this 272 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: is a perfect moment for them. Not people who are like, 273 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: let's all solve this together, but more like, I'm selfish 274 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: and we have the right to be selfish or against 275 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: everything that is in any way telling anyone to tell 276 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: anybody to do anything. And so in a way, it's 277 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: it's that kind of moment, and I think we're seeing 278 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: leaders who are a reflection of that around the world. Now. 279 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: I don't know if that would have been the case 280 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: without the pandemic. Certainly we had of course elected Trump 281 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: will before but but I don't know, it's it's a 282 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: it's a moment really for that, because that's the thing 283 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: that that's exactly what I was going to say, was 284 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: that prior to COVID, right, which I believe that we 285 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: are in the perfect phrase, we are living in the 286 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: politics of COVID, the politics of a pandemic, and there 287 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: has been that tetonic shift that I don't think we'll 288 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: ever shift back to normal. We're just we're operating in 289 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: a new abnormal. But prior to that Donald Trump was elected, 290 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,239 Speaker 1: we had we had all of the information that was 291 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: available to us about who this person was, about who 292 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: what kind of politics they believed in, about their misogyny, 293 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: their racism. Donald Trump came out and said I alone 294 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: can fix this, right. Democrats were looking around and saying, 295 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: what are you trying to fix? Because we're coming off 296 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: the Obama years, right, So what you wrote the book 297 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: on racial resentment, which he was able to exacerbate and 298 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: become this strong man figure. And so I'm like, what aside, 299 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 1: if is there anything aside from just racism and the 300 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: fact that a black man became president of the United States. 301 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: That created the fertile ground for Trumpism in this country. 302 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: I mean, we've always had these tensions, right, I mean America. 303 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: The rough economic framework of America is like people roughly speaking, 304 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: and people come to this very differently and have different 305 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: relationships to it. But the rough framework of America is 306 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: like people roughly buy into a common pool, right, I mean, Otherwise, 307 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: somebody from Louisiana, what do they have in common with 308 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: somebody from Massachusetts, for example, And then you break it 309 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: down by all other kinds of racial groups or ethnic 310 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: groups or political groups. But it's kind of like, yeah, 311 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: we all buy into the notion that we vote for 312 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: our elected leaders. Yeah, we buy into the notion that, 313 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: at least in the post FDR world, you know, we 314 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: pay into things like Medicare or social Security. The state 315 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: does certain things for us, things like that. But those 316 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: things are not given, right, None of those things are given. 317 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: And so I do think that I mean again, those 318 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,959 Speaker 1: things were those things are based on communal participation, and 319 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: when a good part of the population isn't going to 320 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: participate or pay into it, then we can see the 321 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: whole thing is can fall apart. And so I certainly 322 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: think in my book, I saw that with the election 323 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: of Obama, absolutely, and the fact that Obama tried to 324 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: instill the you know, affordable care actus first as first move, 325 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: which was kind of like telling people to pay into 326 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: a common pool, this assumption that we're all in it together, 327 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: and there was a lot of rejection against that. I 328 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: don't know, I guess that's really my question for you. 329 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: Had let's say Mitt Romney had won the presidency, would 330 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: we be in a better place right now? I think 331 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: that we know. I think that in terms of a 332 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: better place with the lack of political violence and the 333 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: rise of white supremacist organizations. Yes, I think that in 334 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: terms of, you know, policy to advance the country. No, 335 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: So I feel like it was you know, six of 336 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: one half and as and of the other, which is, 337 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, were was a black person never supposed to 338 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: ascend to the highest level because we were always going 339 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: to experience a violent white lash, right and because we 340 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: didn't address real racism and we and you know, one 341 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: of one of the things that one of the questions 342 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: that's that's being posed right now is we're as we're 343 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: watching the shift globally. Rachel Maddow did a killer opening 344 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: uh the you know on Monday Night when she gave 345 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: a whole history on Mussolini and a whole history on 346 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: what the Germans did in their deep excavation of how 347 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: did we get here? The Nuremberg Trials, all of these 348 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: things to like get to root out, right, um, the 349 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: core of this, of this hate right, of this, of 350 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: this uh nationalism that that rose in their country to 351 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: such prominence. They were the only ones to do that 352 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: in Europe. No one else went through the kind of 353 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: record that Germany did. And I so my feeling is 354 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: that had we done that, we had we ever done 355 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: that and had that as a core part of our 356 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: values in America of what equity and justice looks like. 357 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that the slave trade and Jim Crow 358 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: would have been avoided, but when we had that twelve 359 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: year opportunity for reconstruction, had we had an actual racial 360 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: reckoning that was embedded into our advancement as a society, no, 361 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: I don't think that we would have ever arrived at 362 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: this place right like, because we would have learned, we 363 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: would have known. That's a part to me of education, 364 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: and that's why this far right movement in the United 365 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: States as well as globally, is so anti education. It's 366 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: so anti you know, academics, it's so anti anyone that 367 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: actually is a critical thinker, because it goes against right, 368 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: their ability to cajole the masses. Yeah, I mean, and 369 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: so the question is like, I mean, I'll just be obviously, 370 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: I come from a family of Holocaust survivors, right, and 371 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: so certainly when things started happening in Germany with anti Semitism, 372 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: it was the intellectuals that got targeted first, shutting down papers, 373 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: burning books, all the things that are almost become like 374 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: if you're living fifty year, eighty years after it like 375 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: almost a stereotype like, oh, burning books, isn't that so 376 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: not creative or something like that. But it's just crazy 377 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: how much these things, these kind of issues replay themselves 378 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: with kind of find another who we can all rally 379 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: against and then take the kind of liberties that would 380 00:27:54,800 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: be unimaginable against secular society. And so it does feel 381 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: I mean, people who come from my traumatic past or 382 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,479 Speaker 1: were traumatic past, I mean, there's not there's it's not 383 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: a it's not a mystery why we've been like on 384 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: pins and needles for quite some time about these kind 385 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: of things. Um and and at the same time, the 386 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: lesson of kind of World War two is that ultimately 387 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: there were checks and balances in the system. Ultimately, the 388 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: United States, because of a miscalculation of bombing Pole Harbor, 389 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: was forced into a war it probably didn't want to 390 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: go into, but it became. It became a check and 391 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: balance against aggression. But who's the you know, if the 392 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: Republicans take over here, what's the what's going to be 393 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: the world? Who's going to write the world again? Right? 394 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: In a way, you know, it feels like it's a 395 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: continuation of the same, the same conflict. And I'm not 396 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: in any way trying to, of course minimize racism in 397 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: any way, shape or form. And I do agree with 398 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: you that there's that that reckoning that have needed to happen. 399 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,959 Speaker 1: But it's also important to note that it's not just 400 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: that the reckoning didn't happen, it's that the resistance to 401 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: all those things has been going on, just people haven't 402 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: been paying attention to it. I mean, that was what 403 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: I found in Dying of Whiteness, And so I would say, 404 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: I'll just say, is one important, active, active note that 405 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: people better frigg and vote, you know, in this mid term. 406 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean the lesson of Italy is not 407 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: that people were for or anti fascism. It's that some 408 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: people wore for fascism and other people didn't show up, 409 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: and they're going to pay the consequence. And so I 410 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: think that the importance of voting in New York for 411 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: the governor election, in Wyoming, for the secretary of state, 412 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: in wherever you are, for the school board, you know, 413 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: this is kind of the last stand this midterm. In 414 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: a way. I think it's going to be a really 415 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: really important mid term, and so people we can say 416 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: all we want, but if people don't choke to vote, 417 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: we're going to meet the same fate as Italy. Jonathan, 418 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: I have a last question for you that is not 419 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: a light one. You know, you have often talked spoken 420 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: about your family being a family of Holocaust survivors, and 421 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: the question that I have is did they stay and 422 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: survive the camps or did they flee? And if they fled, 423 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: which you're shaking your head that they that they fled, 424 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: what was the final writing on the wall for them 425 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: that said we need to get the hell out of here. 426 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: I mean, we have a huge family. My dad came 427 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: from a huge family of cousins and aunts and grandparents, 428 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: and everybody was in Austria. They'd been in Austria or 429 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: Austria Hungary for hundreds of years. This is our land, 430 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: is our language. And all this shit started happening, and 431 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: my grandfather, of everybody there, started saying, wait, we better 432 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: take this seriously. They're not getting around. All the aunt's, uncle's, cousins, 433 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: grandparents said it's fine, you know, we'll weather the storm. 434 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: It'll be fine. My grandfather was the one person who said, no, wait, 435 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: we got to pay attention to this. He and my 436 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: grandmother and my father escaped to Switzerland at the time, 437 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: which was neutral, and some a few of the last 438 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: people who got into Switzerland. Everybody else stayed in Austria. 439 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: Everybody who stayed, with two exceptions, got murdered in concentration camps. 440 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: So it wasn't about surviving the camps. It was about 441 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: having the foresight to say, hey, wait, we're gonna have 442 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: to upend our life, but this stuff is real. So 443 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: it was kind of taking seriously the clue that that 444 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: other people were missing honestly, and so that's kind of 445 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: something I've obviously you can tell carried with me. You know, 446 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: I don't take clues lightly when I think that they're 447 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: real clues. So but but again at the time, you know, anyway, well, 448 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: we'll see how this goes. The world order, you know, 449 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: responded in many ways to the horror of that by 450 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: reshaping the reshaping the world order that's kept us going 451 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: until now. But that seems to be crumbling, and so 452 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of like what comes next a new world order? Yeah, 453 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: bitcoin uh, Jonathan adopted Jonathan Metzel, Thank you so much 454 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: for always taking the time to carry such heavy topics 455 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: and help us, um, I don't know, create some create 456 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: some sense, and create some type of pathway. I don't 457 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: know where the pathways lead up today, but hopefully the 458 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: bathway will lead us toward. Like I mean, I'm really 459 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: concerned about the lack of energy for voting in the 460 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: mid term. I mean, I think that's a huge issue 461 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: and that's something that is very palpable right now that 462 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: people can address. Yeah, that is true. Thank you, dear friend. 463 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: We'll pick this up again next week. That is it 464 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: for me today. Dear friends on woke app as always 465 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: power to the people and to all the people power, 466 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: Get woke and stay woke as fun.