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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the original Gone Girl, the

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Speaker 1: super Mom. Remember Sherry Peppini, who said she was kidnapped

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Speaker 1: by three Hispanic individuals that beat her, knocked out her teeth,

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Speaker 1: broke her nose, starved her.

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Speaker 2: And branded her well tonight.

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Speaker 1: In a bizarre u turn, she now claims she really

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Speaker 1: was kidnapped, despite serving jail time for her elaborate hopes

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Speaker 1: so she could go snug up with the next boyfriend.

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Thought anyone want to work to see what you reporting.

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Speaker 4: I saw a person on the side of the road

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Speaker 4: waving a shirt and I'm getting there in trouble, and.

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Speaker 5: I'm wanting you or I stop rating all the great

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Speaker 5: way by a line email.

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Speaker 6: There's a lady on the Feather Road and meeting Hall.

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Speaker 1: That lady is a liar, and that liar is the

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Speaker 1: original Gone Girl, Sherry Peppini. It all starts right here

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Speaker 1: with a nine one one call.

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Speaker 4: Listen sure, Yeah, So I just got home from work

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Speaker 4: and uh, my wife wasn't there, which is unusual, and

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Speaker 4: my kids should have been there by now from like daycare.

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Speaker 4: So I was like oh, maybe she went on a walk.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't find her, so I called the daycare to

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Speaker 4: see what time she picked up the kids. The kids

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Speaker 4: were never picked up.

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Speaker 7: So I got freaked out.

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Speaker 4: So I hit like to find my phone app thing

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Speaker 4: and it said that her. It showed her phone like

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Speaker 4: at our end of our driveway.

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Speaker 7: We don't have really good service.

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Speaker 4: Okay, not the end of our driveway, at the end

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Speaker 4: of our street, but just drove down there and I

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Speaker 4: saw her phone with their headphones because she started running again.

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Speaker 4: And it's her down on her phone and it's got

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Speaker 4: like hair ripped out of it, like in the headphones.

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Speaker 4: So I'm like totally freaking out, thinking like somebody like,

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Speaker 4: what's her grabber?

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Speaker 1: I will never forget when Chery Peppini, so called super Mom,

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Speaker 1: a very loving mom, seemingly vanishes into thin air, someone

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Speaker 1: apparently snatching her off the street near her home as

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Speaker 1: she goes jogging. Her husband distraught, it was a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know now as Cherri Peppini, the original Gone Girl,

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Speaker 1: takes a bizarre U turn. Now this is after she

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Speaker 1: does jail time for pulling off the hoax of the

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Speaker 1: century that she had really been kidnapped, when actually she

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Speaker 1: was snugged up with her boyfriend the whole time. Now

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Speaker 1: she says, Okay, erase, erase, Jurassic Erase. I really was kidnapped,

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Speaker 1: and I pled to lying because I was pressed too.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear this joining me.

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Michael Johnson, superstar in the law enforcement community, Sheriff

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Speaker 1: Shasta County. That department originally investigated the original Sharry Peppinie case. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Johnson, your department faced with a missing mom snatched

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Speaker 1: in broad daylight at the beginning, what did law enforcement think?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, at first, everybody took it very seriously. We thought, yeah,

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Speaker 8: we had a missing girl. And just for clarification, Nancy,

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Speaker 8: I inherited this mess. I came into it, and I

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Speaker 8: call it my favorite waste of time, because that's all

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Speaker 8: Sherry did with anybody, was waste everybody's time. We get

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Speaker 8: the report of and you heard the nine one one

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Speaker 8: about this laying on the ground with hair tangled, and

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Speaker 8: it was kind of coiled neatly and so side. It

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Speaker 8: didn't look at all like an abduction as is reported.

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Speaker 8: But nevertheless, everybody took it very seriously and allocated a

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Speaker 8: whole lot of time, a whole lot of effort. Allied agencies,

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Speaker 1: You know, Sheriff Johnson, at the very beginning, I said

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Speaker 1: the same thing about her phone. I've handled a lot

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Speaker 1: of investigations, prosecutions, and then covered cases as well. Just

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Speaker 1: for instance, Maggie Murdog, you know Alex Murdog, the South

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Speaker 1: And it struck me the dichotomy of Shery Papinie's hair

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Speaker 2: Now, if that jild had really been snatched away.

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Speaker 1: From her, it would have been thrown somewhere and probably

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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, or ditched or he would have broken, thrown

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Speaker 1: I don't want to disbelieve what a victim says, because

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Speaker 1: victims in our country are so often maligned that I

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Speaker 1: that phone was found neatly tucked away. But that said,

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Speaker 1: this is what the then sheriff had to say, Tomasinka.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 9: Last night, at about ten minutes to six pm, Keith

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Speaker 9: Peppeni reported his wife, Sherry, as a missing person with

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Speaker 9: suspicious circumstances. When he returned home, he found that his

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Speaker 1: The reading record searchlight and the search was on to

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Speaker 1: Kelly som joining US anchor Action News Now, the CBS

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Speaker 1: and NBC affiliate in reading, Kelly, thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us. Tell me about the massive search. Now you

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Speaker 1: heard Sheriff Johnson describing it as his favorite waste of

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Speaker 1: time but let me throw a technical legal term at you.

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Speaker 1: There was a crap ton of man hours, money, resources,

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Speaker 1: and emotion poured in to the search for Sherry Peppini.

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Speaker 2: Describe.

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Speaker 10: So we get a lot of missing person reports in

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Speaker 10: the newsroom, but people have a right to disappear if

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Speaker 10: they want, and this one quickly took on a life

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Speaker 10: of its own. We were getting inundated with friends and

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Speaker 10: family members setting us all these pictures you're showing on

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Speaker 10: the screen, and it really painted a compelling tale. Within

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Speaker 10: the first day, it wasn't just law enforcement. There was

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Speaker 10: this uprising of community concern, Strangers volunteering their time to

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Speaker 10: because it seemed so unusual, according to the story being

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Speaker 10: shared by her loved ones, for her to disappear like

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Speaker 10: this without a trace. So it really did take on

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Speaker 10: a life of its own. It was within hours, all

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Speaker 10: over social media, people sharing and sharing, and that's why

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Speaker 10: it became a national story so quickly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very very curious, Kelly. She was ultimately sound, she

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Speaker 10: So it was twenty two days later Thanksgiving morning, I

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Speaker 10: the pre dawn hours, she had been found along Interstate five,

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Speaker 10: about one hundred and fifty miles south of Reading. She

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Speaker 10: was almost darting into traffic, waving frantically to get driver's attention.

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Speaker 10: She had a chain around her waist, she had zip

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Speaker 10: and bruised. She had rashes on her arm and legs,

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Speaker 10: and she had been branded. She actually there's some photos

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Speaker 10: can see the brand. These are the first photos of

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Speaker 10: her being branded at that time, we thought by her captor.

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Speaker 10: And so it was this dramatic story unfolding, and it

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Speaker 10: was unfolding on Thanksgiving morning when the entire community had

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Speaker 10: gathered to release balloons, yellow balloons in honor of Sherry

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Speaker 10: Peppini as a signal to the heavens, we're looking for

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Speaker 10: your Sherry.

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Speaker 2: And then it seemed like Pat, how I just got

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Speaker 2: to stop you, Kelly. Let me let this just marinate

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Speaker 2: for a moment.

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Speaker 1: The community had gathered to release balloonans to Heaven in

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Speaker 1: a request like a direct balloon Ograham.

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Speaker 2: To God plays up was fine, Sherry.

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Speaker 10: This is correct.

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Speaker 2: It happened.

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Speaker 10: There was a turkey trot that morning, and in conjunction

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Speaker 10: with that, people were going to use the opportunity to

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Speaker 10: release balloons. Now, the first sign that she had been

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Speaker 10: found with the family did not show up for the

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Speaker 10: balloon release that they had organized. The closest family members, Keith,

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Speaker 10: did not show up, and so behind the scenes there

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Speaker 10: were a lot of phone calls happening again early morning

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Speaker 10: hours four three am that she had been found, and

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Speaker 10: then we would get the news confirmed later that day.

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Speaker 1: I mean, haul John Kelly, I got to go to

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Speaker 1: Shriff Michael Johnson a balloon release, really really.

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Speaker 2: Begging, pleading with God.

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Speaker 1: And the whole time she's snugged up at our ex

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Speaker 1: boyfriend's place.

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Speaker 2: The balloon release, I did not know that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the point is, I'm not mocking a balloon release.

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Speaker 1: I've done balloon releases. I've gathered and had prayer circles

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Speaker 1: and prayed for someone to be found. We recently did

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Speaker 1: one for Susanne. More few that somehow there would be justice.

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Speaker 2: In that case, that the truth would come out whatever

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Speaker 1: And I believe in prayer, but that she would manipulate

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Speaker 1: the community, law enforcement and her family, her children, Oh

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Speaker 1: my stars thinking Mommy's gone and may never come home.

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Speaker 1: A balloon release my rear end. I mean, when you

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Speaker 1: the blood, the sweat, the tears to find this woman

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Speaker 1: who then tried to blame some She says, three unknown Hispanics.

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Speaker 1: What if there had been an arrest of people that

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Speaker 1: matched her pretty accurate description.

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Speaker 2: She gave a detailed description.

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Speaker 1: What if someone had actually been and arrested for Pete's sake?

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Speaker 8: Well, as a matter of fact, the officers from various

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Speaker 8: agencies were pulling over vehicles and anybody that remotely matched

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Speaker 8: the descriptions and the suspects that she alleged had kidnapped her.

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Speaker 8: Because we're looking for clues and we're looking for suspects,

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Speaker 8: and we're trying to do our job, and it's all

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Speaker 8: this hoax and painted picture by a self serving and

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Speaker 8: narcissistic personality that just doesn't care, only cares about herself.

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Speaker 1: So in the bottom line, Sheriff Johnson, what was her story?

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Speaker 1: Who does she claim kidnapped her, starved her, beat her,

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Speaker 8: Who did she blame, Well, she's blaming her boyfriend now,

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Speaker 8: But who did she blame before a company?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I don't mean this iteration, Sheriff. I mean

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Speaker 1: the old kidnappers. Oh, there they are.

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Speaker 2: Who did she blame the get go, Sheriff Johnson?

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Speaker 8: Who she blamed those Hispanic women that kidnapped her? And

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Speaker 8: she'd been held captive by a third person, and she

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Speaker 8: as you heard, it became a community interest story in

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Speaker 8: a nationwide interest story because of the circumstances involved, and

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Speaker 8: it just became this perfect storm of lies. And once

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Speaker 8: we got her back, once she was found, which was

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Speaker 8: her getting dropped off on the side of the road

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Speaker 8: and continuing her hopes. Once we started that investigation, we

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Speaker 8: had her and interviewed her, we knew that she had

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Speaker 8: The problem was you have to build the case and

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Speaker 8: make absolutely sure that you have all the evidence before

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Speaker 8: fact a liar. And in that meantime, she's out there

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Speaker 8: meeting with other families. We have an unsolved case of

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Speaker 1: Get enough jail time for this. I'm just putting that

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Speaker 1: Stephen M. Diggs, Cherry Pepenis Therapist. He is a licensed

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Speaker 2: Doctor Diggs, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 11: You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: You believe that your client, Sherry Pepini, was in fact kidnapped.

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Speaker 2: I do bye who by James the boyfriend? The boyfriend?

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Speaker 11: Because even though Sheriff Johnson says she's narcissistic, I'm a

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Speaker 1: Could it possibly be the I want attention from men,

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Speaker 2: Fed to me on a silver spoon. Blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, didn't her family have issues with her violent

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Speaker 11: The question shouldn't be Nancy, why do I believe Sherry?

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Speaker 11: The question should be why do I not believe James?

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Speaker 11: It is even simplussed to kind all of you to

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Speaker 11: And I can apply that scrutiny now, if you'd like

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Speaker 1: The original Gone Girl Sherry Peppini, After doing hard jail

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Speaker 2: Let's try to make sense of what we know now.

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Speaker 1: This is what I know, what she told police after

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Speaker 2: Let's go straight to her police interrogation.

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Speaker 12: Listen, if you want Keith to.

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Speaker 1: Can you see those little wheels turning right there? They're

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Speaker 1: There are two many inconsistencies. This is very, very wrong,

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Speaker 1: body language expert, author of How to Detect Li's Fraud

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Speaker 1: and Identity Theft at body languagetrader dot Com is Tracy Brown. Tracy,

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Speaker 1: I want you, doctor Diggs, doctor John Delatorre, another shrink

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Speaker 1: joining us in Darryl Cohen to watch her during her

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to save you.

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Speaker 1: What happens for the next five to eight minutes where

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Speaker 14: Whenever someone shrinks, they are not confident in what they're saying.

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Speaker 14: And so we see we see her lean over, she's

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Speaker 10: But then again we see her shrink, and so.

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Speaker 14: Those dichotomies tell us, wait a minute, there's there's inconsistency

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Speaker 1: The cops leave, and then she and her husband whisper

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Speaker 1: But I could hear what they're saying, and she's saying,

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Speaker 1: Hispanic women that kidnapped her, beat her and branded her

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Speaker 1: shery Peppini doesn't want her kidnappers to be caught after

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Speaker 1: She doesn't want them caught because they don't exist.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I don't.

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Speaker 2: If you're how listening to me, because she seemed to.

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Speaker 7: Be life, what do you want.

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Speaker 3: She's not going to get in trouble.

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Speaker 13: So the DNA came back to James Race, Indiana. It

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Speaker 2: Race, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen with me, veteran trial lawyer, former felony prosecutor

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Speaker 1: in the same office where I prosecuted Inner City Atlanta, Fulton, DA,

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Speaker 1: now private attorney at Cohen Cooper EASTEP and Allen.

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Speaker 2: How do you think that husband's feeling about right now?

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Speaker 15: Well now, and.

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Speaker 1: They say, hey, the DNA like all over you is

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Speaker 15: Well, so you can start with the fact this is

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Speaker 15: Sherry who may or may not be narcissistic, but she

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Speaker 15: is clearly liassisting. When you have all of that DNA

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Speaker 15: She cannot tell the truth, and because she can't, she lies.

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Speaker 15: And what happens when you lie You have to remember

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: About the PolyGram to Sheriff Michael Johnson, who inherited this case.

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Speaker 1: Sherry Peppini's private therapist, a renowned therapist, doctor Stephen M. Diggs,

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Speaker 1: states that she passed a Polly first I heard of it.

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Speaker 1: Did she pass a Polly?

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Speaker 8: She got two questions right on a Polly that's it.

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Speaker 8: I've always I always wondered how people can even still

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Speaker 8: and one other thing. I will agree with the doctor.

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Speaker 8: She definitely has a personality disorder. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: Did you know that fact that the boyfriend James, who

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Speaker 2: Pepinie in his apartment.

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Speaker 1: Did you know he had come up the day before

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Speaker 11: But that the plan to go and leave for twenty

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Speaker 2: Well, then why the rental car?

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Speaker 11: Perhaps I don't know about that detail.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean we're telling you they have evidence that

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Speaker 11: Well, she is, she has been. She's doing better through therapy.

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Speaker 11: But she is a hardcore liar. That is true. What

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Speaker 11: I'm saying is it takes critical thinking her, folks, to

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Speaker 11: separate lying from abduction. Her crime was lying, But she

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Speaker 11: made her polygraph. Person says, both things can be true.

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Speaker 11: She can be lying and she could have been abducted.

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Speaker 1: I mean, doctor DELATOORI is joining me another amazing shrink,

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Speaker 1: A psychologist mediator specializing in forensic psychology. I'm consultant to

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Speaker 1: Project Absence, which is a nonprofit to help find missing people.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Tellatory, thank you. I certainly think two things can

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Speaker 2: So the fact that she claims to have passed.

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Speaker 1: That's a defense under the law. She knew what she

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Speaker 1: was doing, deleatorill.

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Speaker 7: She absolutely knew what she was doing.

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Speaker 3: I think there's an element of an impression management type presentation,

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Speaker 3: meaning there are some individuals who need to come across a.

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Speaker 7: Certain way to the world, to society, to the community.

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Speaker 3: Whoever, either as a hero or as a victim, these

447
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Speaker 3: individuals will say and do anything in order to keep

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Speaker 3: that kind of presentation going. I think there are elements

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Speaker 3: maybe of history on it, personality disorder, if we were

450
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Speaker 3: to really kind of boil down what exactly it is

451
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Speaker 3: that's going on. Uncomfortable in situations in which she's not

452
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Speaker 3: the center of attention, shallow affects, there are a lot

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Speaker 3: of elements in which she's trying to control a narrative

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Speaker 3: in order to make herself seem like a victim. Now

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Speaker 3: with histrionic unfortunately, these people tend to be more suggestible,

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Speaker 3: where Sherry Kippini seems to come across as.

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Speaker 7: More proactive and in telling whatever falsehood she thinks is

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Speaker 7: going to fit the situation that she finds herself in.

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Speaker 7: And that's where we get the two things can be

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Speaker 7: true at the same time, which is she's a liar

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Speaker 7: but believes that everything happened the way that she described it.

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Speaker 7: A lot really only works at.

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Speaker 1: The life in the delatory, which time the first time

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Speaker 1: when it was the fake Hispanic kidnappers, or this time

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Speaker 1: when it's a boyfriend. And did you notice Sheriff Michael Johnson,

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Speaker 1: who has clarified that she did not poss a past

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Speaker 1: a polygraph. Did you notice when you guys are getting

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Speaker 1: to go arrest, find and arrest to female Hispanic women,

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Speaker 1: She's like, wait, I don't want them arrested because they

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Speaker 1: let me go. They saved my life by letting me go. Translation,

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Speaker 1: that's all a big fat line. I don't want you

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Speaker 1: to find out.

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Speaker 8: That's exactly what it was. Everybody knows it. And now suddenly,

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Speaker 8: because she's in a court battle and wants custody of

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Speaker 8: her kids, she's got a new story. And that's that's

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Speaker 8: all this is. Is she's looking for more attention. She

477
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Speaker 8: wants to win a case, she wants sympathy, she wants

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Speaker 8: some custody of her kids. And this is her next

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Speaker 8: ditch effort to try to create more drama.

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Speaker 12: Toil agreements, phone into the carbonsil agreements. We have everything

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Speaker 12: that says that he said, he.

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Speaker 13: Told that's James product diseased.

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Speaker 12: Nick, So everything you told us, so many truths in

484
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Speaker 12: this situation. The reason why you can describe the rooms

485
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Speaker 12: is because you stayed in the room in the dark

486
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Speaker 12: for hours, for days on end. The reason why you

487
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Speaker 12: lost so much weight is because you stopped eating. The

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Speaker 12: reason why you got a rash on your farm is

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Speaker 12: because he cleaned his house.

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Speaker 13: The reason why the brand is because.

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Speaker 8: He went to the store and bought the brand mantols

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Speaker 8: and branded you.

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Speaker 13: The reason why your nose is because of the hearts.

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Speaker 1: Wow to Kelly som joining US anchor Action News now

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Speaker 1: CBS and NBC affiliate in Redding.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot of evidence.

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Speaker 1: The rental agreement, the phone rental, the car rental, everything, DNA,

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Speaker 1: blonde hair.

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Speaker 2: The works.

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Speaker 1: Now that brings to light the fact that Sherry Pepini

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Speaker 1: was using a burner phone and when she described the

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Speaker 1: home of the female Hispanic kidnappers, she actually described the

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Speaker 1: home of the boyfriend, James Rayis down.

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Speaker 2: To a photo in his room of his dead brother.

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Speaker 10: I think what the investigation revealed is she was able

506
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Speaker 10: to give the very detailed misrepresentation so they found believable,

507
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Speaker 10: but then later when you go to confirm them, they

508
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Speaker 10: don't match up with reality. Some of the other details

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Speaker 10: she shared with that she felt cold and where she

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Speaker 10: s as she was kept it rained almost every night.

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Speaker 10: That there was a windy road and she felt like

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Speaker 10: she was being taken up in elevation. Is up into

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Speaker 10: the mountains. That does not describe the boyfriend's apartment in Coastamasa, California.

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Speaker 10: It did not rain every night. It was definitely not

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Speaker 10: cold there. So parts of the story were true, and

516
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Speaker 10: then parts of them were not. It was a very

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Speaker 10: detailed lie. And in that interview where they confronted her

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Speaker 10: with the fact, they gave her an opportunity to say,

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Speaker 10: isn't he a problem with your husband, Keith Peppini, she said, no,

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Speaker 10: I love my husband. I don't want to leave him.

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Speaker 10: I'm a terrible person for community communicating with former boyfriends.

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Speaker 10: They gave her an opportunity to finger and point the

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Speaker 10: finger at James rage and she said, no, James loves me,

524
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Speaker 10: he's my friend. He wouldn't do anything like this. So

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Speaker 10: they were in essence bending over backwards, giving her an

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Speaker 10: opportunity to tell the story. She waited another five years

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Speaker 10: to tell.

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Speaker 1: There's more but the fact that she was using a

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Speaker 1: burner phone shareff Michael Michael Johnson is with us. The

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Speaker 1: only people that I know that use burner phones are

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Speaker 1: dope dealers and felons. I mean, why do you need

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Speaker 1: a burner phone?

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Speaker 8: Because you want to create distance, You don't want a

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Speaker 8: law enforcement to find you, you don't want other people

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Speaker 8: to find you. There's a number of reasons, right. Burner

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Speaker 8: phones are the tool of the trade for criminal activity,

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Speaker 8: and she's no different she. Let's not forget she's proven

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Speaker 8: convicted liar. The whole thing's a hoax.

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Speaker 2: Guys, there's more.

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Speaker 1: Listen to the interrogation and watch your body language and

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Speaker 1: how she reacts.

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Speaker 13: I rented a car for a look and picked her up.

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Speaker 13: He passed the polygraph test.

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Speaker 5: Here.

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Speaker 13: If that's not what happened, what did happen here?

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Speaker 2: No, there's no.

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Speaker 13: Way is change away. Ay d doesn't like his DNA

548
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Speaker 13: is his DNA was on me.

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Speaker 2: There's no way.

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Speaker 13: Robert saw you in the house while you were down there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the boyfriend, James Ray's brother, Robert saw Peppini in

552
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: the house and everything was fine. Nobody was being held

553
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Speaker 1: against their will. But that's her story. Now, in a

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Speaker 1: bizarre you turn the ultimate the original gone girl says, Okay, yes,

555
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Speaker 1: maybe I wasn't kidnapped by two Hispanic females and beaten starved,

556
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Speaker 1: but I was kidnapped by my old boyfriend. Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, Okay, DEARYLD Cohen, another truth bomb is

558
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Speaker 1: dropped on the husband. You knows how she's looking down

559
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Speaker 1: and she won't look at the husband when they say, yeah,

560
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Speaker 1: your ex boyfriend's DNA is all over you.

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Speaker 15: Woman, Oh, it's wonderful, Nancy. She is digging and digging.

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Speaker 15: She's not just using a little shovel, She's using a

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Speaker 15: ditch digger, because that is what she is doing. Piece

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Speaker 15: by piece by piece. She's putting the story together that

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Speaker 15: she cannot even fathom her husband, who apparently is a

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Speaker 15: good person.

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Speaker 2: And Tracy jumping off what Darryl Cohen is saying.

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Speaker 1: Do you notice how she won't she does her face

569
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Speaker 1: like this and won't even look at her husband when

570
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Speaker 1: the cops keep taking sheriffs keep talking about your ex boyfriend,

571
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Speaker 1: James Rayes, DNA is all over you.

572
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Speaker 2: His brother saw you, his mother knew you were there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, she won't look at her husband, and she

574
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Speaker 1: just keeps saying, it's not him, it's not him.

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Speaker 2: But guess what today, she says it is him.

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Speaker 14: Well, there's that, And here's what I notice off of

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Speaker 14: that is there's no tears.

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Speaker 2: She's not like she's trying to cry.

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Speaker 14: But when people cry, they'll they'll poll at themselves, and

580
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Speaker 14: she's not doing any of that. But if you listen

581
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Speaker 14: to her tong that's where she's trying to go. So

582
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Speaker 14: sake tears right there.

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Speaker 12: You used a burner phone to call another burner phone

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Speaker 12: for James to come and get you.

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Speaker 13: You're saying, since you're married, you haven't called James.

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Speaker 6: I have called James because earlier he is then you

587
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Speaker 6: had contacted James.

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Speaker 13: As phone records. Story that you do, you did, the

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Speaker 13: phone's don't lie, the DNA doesn't my share. You can

590
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Speaker 13: go a couple of different directions.

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Speaker 6: Now his story, I've already told you lying to me

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Speaker 6: as a crime, So you walk out the story.

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00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 13: We're telling lies and that's a crime.

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Speaker 1: I think we need any.

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Speaker 2: Later with me.

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Speaker 1: In addition to our other incredible guest is Sherry Peppinie's psychologist,

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Speaker 1: her therapist, California psychologist at NYSA Therapy, doctor Stephen Diggs.

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Speaker 1: So is there a rational explanation from peppinie as to

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Speaker 1: why she was using a burner phone to call James

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Speaker 1: Rays her phone?

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00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 2: Why did they both need burner phones?

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Speaker 5: She was trying to have him to share with him,

603
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 5: That's what she says.

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Speaker 2: Then why did he need a burner phone?

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Speaker 5: I don't know that.

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00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: Well, that's a hard question.

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Speaker 1: To answer, but I think I have a pretty good

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Speaker 1: idea about why it could not be revealed that she

609
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: was snugged up with her ex boyfriend talking to other.

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Speaker 2: Guys that got me here?

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Speaker 13: So are you what I aspect?

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Speaker 12: Are you saying, how did how does some other people

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Speaker 12: get here what you got?

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Speaker 6: Obviously you've heard questions, so you can read through some

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Speaker 6: of those. And I understand you've seen some of the photos,

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Speaker 6: so you know some of the investing. Yeah, but you

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Speaker 6: can also know as your reaction compared to her reaction.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, no percent, That's what I'm saying from my side.

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Speaker 2: But now now you're telling me, Okay, you guys go.

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Speaker 13: Home elf whole.

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Speaker 3: I want her anywhere around my kids or around me

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Speaker 3: at all at this point.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it true Kelly Sam that after a previous incident

624
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Speaker 1: of cheating, that Sherry Peppini signed a post nup after

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Speaker 1: the marriage, stating that she would lose custody if she

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Speaker 1: cheated again, and that's why she couldn't admit that she

627
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Speaker 1: was at her ex boyfriend's plaicing covered in his DNA

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Speaker 1: correct About.

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Speaker 10: A year into their marriage, Keith had Sherry sign that

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Speaker 10: post nuptial agreement saying, if I catch you cheating again,

631
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Speaker 10: you're pretty much going to lose everything, and you're going

632
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Speaker 10: to lose the kids and the money. And that was

633
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Speaker 10: in the back of her mind, very very fearful of

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Speaker 10: losing her children, and so that's what prompted the false

635
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Speaker 10: story coming back that No, I wasn't cheating, I wasn't communicating,

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Speaker 10: I was hiding these communications with burner phones so I

637
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Speaker 10: wouldn't be discovered and I wouldn't lose my children.

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Speaker 1: Okay, to doctor Stephen Diggs, were you aware of the

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Speaker 1: posting up that if she cheated again she would lose

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Speaker 1: custody of the children and all the money.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she's a liar and the cheater, and she's got

642
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 5: self defeating personality disorder, and as the other psychologist said,

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Speaker 5: she's got history onic features too. These are all common

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Speaker 5: activities and people with that diagnosis.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know to me, Doctor Delatory, that posting up

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Speaker 1: that she would lose the children and the money if

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Speaker 1: she cheated again.

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Speaker 2: To me, that says it all.

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Speaker 1: That explains why she has to say that she was

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Speaker 1: kidnapped by the ex boyfriend James Reyes, because if she

651
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Speaker 1: can prove she was kidnapped, that means she wasn't cheating,

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Speaker 1: and therefore she can get money and children.

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Speaker 2: Am I being clear, Doctor Delatory?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, it's a catalyst.

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Speaker 3: Right, So her husband already knew that this was a

656
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Speaker 3: behavior that she could likely do again, and once she

657
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Speaker 3: felt compelled to engage in that behavior right have the affair,

658
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Speaker 3: she knew that she was going to have to find

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Speaker 3: a way to skirt around this post nuptial agreement. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I can't see how the kidnapping could be legitimate, as

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Speaker 3: then it's like she was legitimately kidnapped when she has

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Speaker 3: every reason to lie and has done so in order

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Speaker 3: to skirt around what is known going to be a consequence,

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Speaker 3: which is losing everything that she had ever won.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand what the end game is now, Sheriff

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Speaker 1: Michael Johnson with us, you and doctor Diggs know this

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00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 1: better than any of US Sheriff Johnson. Why the IDA

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00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: Discovery special. I guess to further perception that she, okay,

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00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: first of all, wasn't kidnapped, that she lied about that,

670
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: that she lied about the two Hispanic females kidnapping her

671
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: for what. They didn't molest her, they didn't get any money,

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00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: and then they just said, oh, yeah, you know what,

673
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: forget it. I'm just going to throw it out on

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00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: the street. That was a lie, she says. But now

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00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: she's saying that she lied again. She's now saying that

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00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: she was kidnapped, although you see her and all these

677
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: confession tapes saying it wasn't him, it wasn't.

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Speaker 2: Him, blah blah, blah blah. I mean, what's the end

679
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: game here?

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Speaker 8: I think the end game it's just like doctor Delatry said,

681
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 8: this is her last stitch effort to try to get

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00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 8: custody of her kids, to try to get some sort

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Speaker 8: of stability, with monetary stability back in her life. And

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Speaker 8: probably because of her disorder and because of who she is,

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00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 8: she's still starving for her attention and she wants to

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Speaker 8: be in the limelight and I can't. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 8: you've covered a lot of it. There's so much evidence

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00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 8: over evidence that she has lied and created this whole thing,

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Speaker 8: and she in fact did not get kidnapped that it's

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Speaker 8: just ridiculous to me that we're even talking about this

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Speaker 8: because she's come up with a new life.

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Speaker 1: What do you think is the strongest evidence a sheriff

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Speaker 1: that she was not kidnapped by the ex boyfriend.

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Speaker 2: In addition to what.

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Speaker 1: His mother says, his brother says, they're both using burner phones.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, that was a nine hundred mile

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Speaker 1: round trip he took, okay just to get her.

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Speaker 2: Really is she worth that?

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Speaker 15: In her direction?

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Speaker 13: All right?

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Speaker 2: But says she was in the car for four hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty miles.

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Speaker 1: She couldn't jump out or use one of her burner

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Speaker 1: phones to get away.

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Speaker 8: Oh, they stopped at it. They stopped and let her

706
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Speaker 8: use the restroom on the way after she was picked

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00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 8: up on the way back to his place in Coast Amazon.

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Speaker 8: If she really wanted to get away and she was

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Speaker 8: really abducted and kidnapped, she had opportunity not to be

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00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 8: held by her captive at all, and there is I

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Speaker 8: don't know, when you say what's the most compelling evidence,

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00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 8: I don't know. That there is one thing. It's a

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00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 8: conglomeration of all these facts put together that make such

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Speaker 8: a strong case, which is why she confessed, which is

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00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 8: why she did prison time, which is why she agreed

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00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 8: to restitution payments for the time and money she wasted

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00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 8: on everybody. Now, this is just another Sherry peppini lie.

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Speaker 2: I want you to hear something else, everybody, And of

719
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: course I'm no shrink. We can all agree on that.

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Speaker 2: I'm just a JD. But I want you to hear this.

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Speaker 13: James said you.

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00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 12: Had your job broking by him, and that's why I

723
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 12: came and got you, because you're an inducive relationship.

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Speaker 2: Too.

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Speaker 1: Darryl Cohen is joining me, longtime colleague. We prosecuted in

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00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: the same offs together. Darryl, you've met my husband David

727
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: many many times and the twins. When I see you

728
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 1: or talk to you, do I immediately say I love

729
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: my husband Nancy? And Shakespeare said me thinks thou doth

730
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: protest too much? Why does she keep saying.

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Speaker 2: I love my husband? Because she's busted with her ex boyfriend.

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Speaker 16: Because she's been caught and she doesn't know what to do.

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00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 16: She's been so caught. No, when I run into you.

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Speaker 16: Your body language, the way you and your husband are together,

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00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 16: tells me everything. And I may not be a certified

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Speaker 16: body language expert, but I look at facial expressions, I

737
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 16: look at body language. I watch what's going on, and

738
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Speaker 16: that tells me a lot. No, you don't overly say

739
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 16: oh I love my husband, but it's what you do

740
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 16: that makes it all worthwhile. It's how you do it.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to an expert. Tracy Brown Darryl Cohen hit

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Speaker 1: it on the head. What does that mean that she

743
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: keeps saying And that was just one tiny tidbit. I've

744
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: watched the whole thing at nauseum and she keeps saying

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00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: I love and trying to cry. But what does that

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Speaker 1: mean when you keep asserting that nobody asked her?

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Speaker 14: That's exactly what I was going to say. Hey, nobody

748
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 14: asked her at all. And so this is what she

749
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Speaker 14: wants you to believe. At all times. Whenever anybody is

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00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 14: asking any kind of important question, you got to ask

751
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 14: yourself what do they want you to believe about them?

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00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 14: And that's in this case number one, that she loves

753
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 14: her husband even though nobody asks, nobody probably cares. But

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00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 14: this tells us something about what she wants us to

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Speaker 14: believe about her relationship and how she operates in the world.

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Speaker 1: Sadly, Cherry Peppini cannot be prosecuted for lying to Discovery

757
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: ID or else she'd be facing another slew of charges.

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Speaker 1: Let's stop and remember an American hero officer Agian Lopez

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00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: White Mountain Apache PD shot in the line of duty,

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00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: leaving behind a grieving wife, Lushawna, and two children. American

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Speaker 1: hero Officer Adrian Lopez. Nancy Gray signing off the abutment