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Speaker 1: He needs to figure some things out. He said it himself.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't perform over the next two months, they have some

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Speaker 2: hard questions to answer. Welcome into North Side Territory. I'm

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Speaker 2: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney, where your Cubs

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Speaker 2: beat writers at the Athletic covering the Chicago Cubs and

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Speaker 2: the trade deadline, where the Cubs have added a reliever

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Speaker 2: in Nate Pearson, added the third baseman in Essac Paratis,

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Speaker 2: and traded away Mark Lighter Junior along with Christopher Morrell.

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Speaker 2: Of course, in the trade to get Paradis. Patrick, we

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Speaker 2: have our first game with Paradis in a Cubs uniform.

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Speaker 2: We have Mark Lighter traded to the Yankees, a place

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Speaker 2: where I think UH was built for Lighter and his

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Speaker 2: I will you know, we'll see what wood Lighter does

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Speaker 2: in a Yankee uniform. But return is an infielder that

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Speaker 2: Jed Hoyer let us know is out for the rest

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Speaker 1: And then a.

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Speaker 2: Reliever that both both of them minor league. Is a

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Speaker 1: A chance to impact the team this season. We'll see.

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Speaker 1: I think the real story, which we've already talked about

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Speaker 2: Who is over four today, uh and and Christopher Morrell

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Speaker 2: scoreless ninth, which means it comes lose the trade.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Rays are gonna get a lot

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they're gonna hit on something like that whole

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Speaker 3: So I don't know. To me, if Parades is a

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Speaker 3: make you wonder, like what's the catch? Like why are

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes, I think the past two nights of baseball

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Speaker 2: I don't think we need to break down results of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Cubs just didn't really have much

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Speaker 3: And they've really boxed themselves in with by paying like

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Speaker 2: Right, And and that's you know it, That's that's what

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: The Cubs are trying to win in a shorter window

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Speaker 2: He needs to figure some things out. He said it himself.

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Speaker 1: But I think this move. I think what he didn't

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Speaker 1: But this gives him certainty at third. They have a

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Speaker 1: He was in Dumb and Dumber, right, I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I I so I saw a lot of disappointment,

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Speaker 2: That's it's a bad way to go about business. You

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Speaker 2: probably get value for Nico Horner. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: to win. He has to win next season. It's the

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of pressure here for him to win.

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Speaker 2: I know he's not addressing that directly as far as

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Speaker 2: can't and I get what he's saying, he can't think

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Speaker 2: about it that way. But I think these two months

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Speaker 2: are important for evaluation's sake and to kind of understand

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Speaker 2: where they're at. And then this offseason everyone's important, right,

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Speaker 2: Every off season is important because it's your opportunity to

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Speaker 2: reshape the team and try and win the next season.

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Speaker 2: But he's heading into really important season for himself personally.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you steered it in that direction because

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Speaker 3: that's exactly what I was thinking of. It's like we

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Speaker 3: can understand a lot of the general market factors of

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Speaker 3: like you know, teams don't give up Addison Russell type

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Speaker 3: like that is extremely hard, trusting these young pictures would

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Speaker 3: be just a terrible mistake. Maybe one or two of

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Speaker 3: them do pop next year, and you know where they

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Speaker 3: stay healthy enough to help you here and there. But

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Speaker 3: like counting on internal replacements when you're a Cups team

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Speaker 3: that has historically struggled to develop pictures from within, and

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Speaker 3: then even when you do have like these bright spots,

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Speaker 3: almost immediately after. They don't need you know, whatever, you know,

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Speaker 3: theoretal theoretical prospects you could have gotten. I mean unless

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Speaker 3: I'm like rogue Cardinals employee like hacks into your database

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Speaker 3: and they wiki leaks it. Like we never know all

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Speaker 3: the deals, right, so like, okay, find the deadline, we

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Speaker 3: understand the context and circumstances. This is absolutely on them

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Speaker 3: this offseason two. Okay, you kept a lobbious pieces in place.

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Speaker 3: Now go out and get a catcher, get a legit hitter,

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Speaker 3: get another starter. Like, I know it's easy for us

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Speaker 3: to say that we don't know exactly what the budgets are.

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Speaker 3: You know what the price points are gonna be, but

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Speaker 3: like that's not our job, Like it's for them to

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Speaker 3: go figure out and make those impactful moves so that

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Speaker 3: next year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even if even if Bellinger opts in that they're

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Speaker 2: gonna have like seventy million coming off the books like

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Speaker 2: dead money with like Tucker Barnhart and Trey Mancini and

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Speaker 2: then you have Drew Smiley, you have Kyle Hendrix.

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Speaker 1: I'm probably missing a few there.

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Speaker 2: It possibly hector neis right, there's a solid amount of

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Speaker 2: money coming off that doesn't that isn't like a bunch

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Speaker 2: of players who are like, oh, how do you replace that? Uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, production, right, solid players but not irreplaceable, or.

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Speaker 3: Just increase the payroll of your ownership that too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, not only yes, yes, definitely one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: You said it that they need to find a catcher.

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Speaker 2: He agrees, there's there's time to continue to hopefully. I

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Speaker 2: think he said hopefully they improve production.

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Speaker 1: The rest of the way. But I don't think that

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Speaker 1: means he's not looking.

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Speaker 2: Uh he know, he knows that's an area of weakness

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Speaker 2: and that's a way to He admitted they were looking

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Speaker 2: at the deadline to see if they could address.

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Speaker 1: That so.

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Speaker 2: Obvious areas to upgrade in the winter. I do like

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Speaker 2: that he's he's addressed some of those. Uh you know,

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Speaker 2: you have some replacements. You have an obvious replacement at

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Speaker 2: third and maybe some younger relievers coming in. These next

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Speaker 2: two months are going to be interesting in the sense

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Speaker 2: that it's all about evaluation in.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: I agree, it's a bummer that we don't get to

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Speaker 2: write about the games the rest of the way. It's

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Speaker 2: just we're right back to twenty twenty two. We had

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Speaker 2: one year where we could write about games in August

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Speaker 2: and September, and it is back to where we were.

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Speaker 2: But you know, big picture stuff. The rest of the way,

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Speaker 2: we'll see. We'll see where what we can look at Peeker, Armstrong,

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Speaker 2: things like that, the young pitchers, those are the topics

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Speaker 2: that we're going to have to pay attention to. Guys

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Speaker 2: staying healthy, guys continuing to develop the offense. Those are

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Speaker 2: the esoparatus. Of course, at wrig Leary, seeing how he

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Speaker 2: does all those things. All those things are what will

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Speaker 2: be monitoring because the final score will not matter as

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Speaker 2: much that that's just the reality the Cubs face. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Patrick, Well, we'll wrap it up here.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back at it in uh shortly, We'll we'll

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Speaker 2: come right back to you soon with a kind of

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Speaker 2: an overview of of things and and then look forward

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Speaker 2: and uh and wrap up the week that was as

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Speaker 2: far as the trade deadline and and uh and all

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Speaker 2: that's happened. Thanks so much for listening.

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