Speaker 1: You're tuned into the Gangster Chronicles. Well, James McDonald, REXI
Speaker 1: re Jr. And Allan Tomanso on the Digital Soapbox Network,
Speaker 1: a material witness on an aggregated battery, I was a
Speaker 1: hang gun and um, they believe this might be in
Speaker 1: retaliation to her testimony. Welcome to another episode of Gangster Chronicles.
Speaker 1: This is Alex Alonso and I'm sitting here with two
Speaker 1: brothers who are the co host of the show. Regie, right,
Speaker 1: big James, and thanks for being here, fellas. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have a This show actually is going to be completely
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Speaker 1: They've been listening to the show every week, they've been
Speaker 1: downloading it. So today is all about the viewers. Were
Speaker 1: not the viewers, the listeners that have been listening to
Speaker 1: the show. And um, you can do that on Instagram. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and um, anytime you want to post a question, we're
Speaker 1: gonna check it out. We're gonna read all the comments
Speaker 1: and questions on there, and we're gonna start off with
Speaker 1: our first question of the of the day, and the
Speaker 1: first one is how did the Blood verse crypt beef begin?
Speaker 1: What sets and what issues started the beef? Now, this
Speaker 1: is something that I actually wrote about in my master's
Speaker 1: thesis when I was going to USC. I kind of
Speaker 1: tried to uncover the history of how this all started
Speaker 1: and what got it going, and what years it got going,
Speaker 1: and what neighborhoods were setting it off. And I found
Speaker 1: out that nineteen nine was the year that Raymond Washington
Speaker 1: and about maybe ten eleven twelve other dudes on the
Speaker 1: East Side got that whole crypton going. But at the time,
Speaker 1: there were other neighborhoods that existed that weren't Crip or
Speaker 1: blood like, for example, um, the Pirrous the West Side,
Speaker 1: well they called the West Side pi us now, but
Speaker 1: the rules around Pirous Street in nineteen nine doing that
Speaker 1: thing on the West Side. Yeah, and then and then
Speaker 1: the East Side came out shortly after the West Side
Speaker 1: came out. This is around seventy. Athens Park Boys existed
Speaker 1: around the same time, UM Your Boy, the Miles they started,
Speaker 1: Um the Figure Roll they started to Figure Roll Boys.
Speaker 1: They were out around n seventy the Shock Boys was
Speaker 1: out around this time, all these neighborhoods, they weren't crip
Speaker 1: or blood, they were just all these different neighborhoods scattered
Speaker 1: throughout Los Angeles. Raymond starts his thing, and the first
Speaker 1: thing he starts to do is say, I want to
Speaker 1: start converting some of these neighborhoods into crips. And some
Speaker 1: neighborhoods turned the crips and some don't. Uh. They went
Speaker 1: he went to Athens, they said we're good. They went
Speaker 1: to the brims, they said we're good. And in fact,
Speaker 1: the crips we're hanging out on par rou Street in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy. Back in the day, the crips and the
Speaker 1: pirous were kind of functioning thegether. But then there was
Speaker 1: a little riff and eventually that conflict started. Now the
Speaker 1: conflict really comes in. In nineteen two, I tracked the
Speaker 1: first homicide. L A brim dude named Country Little Country
Speaker 1: named Fred Garrett was shot and killed in December of
Speaker 1: seventy two. And that's when everything goes hey wire. That's
Speaker 1: when all these non crip sets start to say, then
Speaker 1: these these crips is really pressing the line, do you
Speaker 1: want to say something? Now? I was I was just
Speaker 1: thinking was at the time when Raymond Washington was shot
Speaker 1: behind that. Raymond Washington was actually shot before seventy two.
Speaker 1: He was shot when it was pre crip. He hadn't
Speaker 1: even created the crips yet because he was hanging out
Speaker 1: with the Avenues. Now, Raymond Washington looked up to Craig Munson,
Speaker 1: and this was sixty seven, sixty sixty seven, sixty eight.
Speaker 1: Craig Munson had the Avenues with his brothers and a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of other dudes Victor Adam, Donny Boy, Uh,
Speaker 1: Teddy Bear. They were the Avenues. And then Raymond was
Speaker 1: like a youngster hanging out with the avenues and he
Speaker 1: had got shot around that time. So um, that shooting
Speaker 1: of Raymond Washington happened prior to him creating the Crypts.
Speaker 1: In fact, him hanging out with Craig Munton is the
Speaker 1: reason why he started the Crypts. And that's why that's
Speaker 1: one of the stories I get from my uncle uh,
Speaker 1: because he used to be my oldest uncle was a
Speaker 1: slaws some boy when they were just saying slats and
Speaker 1: he was a big he was a demon. My uncle
Speaker 1: t was hanging with the avenues. My uncle rabbed and
Speaker 1: then I think Morcle Chris they were shack boys, and
Speaker 1: a lot of the shack boys. When the game banging
Speaker 1: started over there, like the kitchen crypts and all of that,
Speaker 1: some of the guys went to Swans. The shack boys
Speaker 1: they converted back across Central and they were Swans and
Speaker 1: my uncle then was still Crips and they were like
Speaker 1: with the Kitchens. And the reason why I know that
Speaker 1: is because my family have been living on eighty person
Speaker 1: Hooper for since nineteen sixty three and they're still there
Speaker 1: right now in today. And my uncle t was one
Speaker 1: of these guys that was hunging, hanging with Raymond Watson
Speaker 1: to them, uh big Teddy. Um. I know all of
Speaker 1: these guys from them coming to my grandfather's house. We
Speaker 1: was little kids. I remember all of these guys coming
Speaker 1: through there. I remember Teddy because Teddy was a big
Speaker 1: old fat dude, but he was solid. And then the
Speaker 1: Munson's were around the corner, Teddy, Craig Robert. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: they was around the corner you walked straight up through
Speaker 1: the alley. Actually they baby brother Runt was my best
Speaker 1: friend and he was the smallest out of all of them,
Speaker 1: but he was a big swollen look young coming up too.
Speaker 1: But he was from Kitchen Crypt and me and him
Speaker 1: were from different size. But I got a lot of
Speaker 1: stories listening to them. The oldest brother that was doing
Speaker 1: life in the penitentiary, um from from Teddy. Teddy was pimping.
Speaker 1: They were more into themselves than really on the game,
Speaker 1: banging tips. Is this before you became in mom, Piru? No,
Speaker 1: I was still I was a little blood. I was
Speaker 1: a little bit cat when me and Runn started hanging
Speaker 1: together and I was from the mob. Run was from Kitchen.
Speaker 1: I used to give my homeboys from the hood to
Speaker 1: come all the way. We rode our bikes, said eighty
Speaker 1: firston Hooper fighting against the eight nines with Runt because
Speaker 1: his homies were scared of the nineties Coast crips. And
Speaker 1: we would go to Drew and fight the cripts with Runt.
Speaker 1: So he was fighting You were Piru and fighting with
Speaker 1: the Kitchens against the eight nineties. He was He was
Speaker 1: my like blood. Did you ever feel like maybe I
Speaker 1: should be from from where run from? No? Because the
Speaker 1: homeboys rode with me. We we got on our bikes
Speaker 1: and road to come. I mean l a to fight
Speaker 1: with run what years was this going on? This was
Speaker 1: seventy seventy seven. Damn James got some history, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we went and we was going to school with him,
Speaker 1: and so by us going to going to school and Run,
Speaker 1: I mean I went to Drew and and Run was
Speaker 1: one of my friends that kept cats away from me.
Speaker 1: When I had went to Drew Junior High. Why was
Speaker 1: you going on with the Drew and you was living
Speaker 1: because I was kicked out of Compton Unified, so my
Speaker 1: grandfather and then lived over there. So I went to
Speaker 1: Parmarade and I went to Drew, I went to I
Speaker 1: went to damn every high school, Lock High, and went
Speaker 1: to Fremont and I just didn't last long. So but
Speaker 1: he was my friend the way of until he got killed. Now,
Speaker 1: before we moved on to the next topic, I just
Speaker 1: want I just want to know a little bit more
Speaker 1: about about Run. You know what type of guy he was,
Speaker 1: because eventually he grew up to be a kind of big.
Speaker 1: He was a very big dude. If you ever seen
Speaker 1: anybody chiselm you wouldn't even think he was built like Now.
Speaker 1: You know who trained him though, right, his big brother
Speaker 1: what they had so many weights in the yard and
Speaker 1: by him he was stronger than his brother. He was
Speaker 1: stronger than Teddy, and walking about, Craig was solid. And
Speaker 1: then the only one that never lived wigs. The other brother, Carlton,
Speaker 1: the light skinned one. Well, they had another brother named Salim.
Speaker 1: He lifted. And then the oldest, the oldest brother was
Speaker 1: Joe tall. He real tall. Also, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't think Joe lifted. Salim lifted. Joe was Joe was,
Speaker 1: he was, He was well built. He wouldn't know skinny cat,
Speaker 1: None of them was really skinny. But Carlton. Can you
Speaker 1: believe seven brothers though, and one family. Yeah. And then
Speaker 1: and their mama was was with the business. Yeah, Their
Speaker 1: mama was a solid woman. And and and she that wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I just seen Teddy not too long ago over there,
Speaker 1: you know, Teddy into the low Riders and jury. When
Speaker 1: you see Teddy, you think this catch just just way
Speaker 1: down with gold and they they always been real cool.
Speaker 1: We was a little catch, and they looked out for us.
Speaker 1: And uh my uncle's uh Bubba and all of those
Speaker 1: guys Bubba doing life and Pendent Independitentiary right now from
Speaker 1: over there. Um, it was so many of those guys
Speaker 1: that we talked about right now, I know I know
Speaker 1: of all of them. Now. The second part of this
Speaker 1: question is what sets and when did she started to
Speaker 1: beef um. Back in seventy seventy one, it was just
Speaker 1: west Side Crib, east Side Cript, Compton Cript. That was it.
Speaker 1: But then they were starting to splint her off sets.
Speaker 1: The folk trade Gangsters, they must have came out in
Speaker 1: like seventy two, the eight eight Avalons came out, and
Speaker 1: those would be some of the oldest sets. Kitchen Crip
Speaker 1: is real old. They go back to probably seventy two.
Speaker 1: And then in terms of the sets that eventually became bloods,
Speaker 1: you had the l A Brims they became bloods, the
Speaker 1: Pirus became bloods. The Denver Lanes became bloods. Were the
Speaker 1: bloods pretty much, I think to my knowledge, the Bottoms,
Speaker 1: the twenties and all of that. They started first they
Speaker 1: was blood and then it trinkled coming up towards us,
Speaker 1: the outlaws, the villains, the Peblos, and the and they
Speaker 1: actually had forty piru then thirty piru. Those all became
Speaker 1: blood sets. So to answer that guy's question, those are
Speaker 1: the main sets that was active in the early seventies
Speaker 1: when the Blood Crip beef just started jumping off. So
Speaker 1: this kind of goes right into our next topic, the
Speaker 1: Wat sets. Well, you know, the um Watch came a
Speaker 1: little a little late later, Yeah, because um uh, they
Speaker 1: went to Compton first. And even though there was a
Speaker 1: lot of dudes that grew up in Compton, the guys
Speaker 1: that started Compton Crip, we're from Watts. They moved from
Speaker 1: Watch to Compton Head Honcho. Head Honcho started the Compton
Speaker 1: Cripts along with another one of Raymond's dudes. But they
Speaker 1: were from Watts, but they moved to Compton. Then after
Speaker 1: they got the Compton Crips going, they came back to
Speaker 1: Watts and Hickory Street. Watts is the first cript said
Speaker 1: in Watts that came out about seventy three maybe, which Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then of course Grape came out from Head Honcho's
Speaker 1: little brother, Wayne Day changed the name. They started off
Speaker 1: as um Jordan's Downs Crip. That's what it was originally
Speaker 1: in around seven, Yeah, it was the projects there. Then
Speaker 1: they changed their name to Grape Street Crip. Um. But yeah, man,
Speaker 1: that's some it's some interesting history. Lost Angel sister, and
Speaker 1: I feel like this history is just as important as
Speaker 1: any other history. You know, I think there should be
Speaker 1: history books on black l a street culture, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot, there's a lot about it that you want
Speaker 1: to know, because man, I mean, even though you got
Speaker 1: a lot of killing and all of this other ship going,
Speaker 1: the moth got a lot of killing, and they're making movies,
Speaker 1: they're making books. It's celebrated, but we're not doing that.
Speaker 1: But when we talk about black history when it's related
Speaker 1: to violence, it's like we're glorifying it. Why can't Blacks
Speaker 1: tell their stories as it relates to urban street culture
Speaker 1: in the same way it gets romanticized and celebrated when
Speaker 1: Italians or Irish or the Jews are telling their street histories.
Speaker 1: And this way different now, I mean way back in
Speaker 1: the day, man, they when when when, when uh Washington
Speaker 1: was doing this, they was taking leather jackets. They was
Speaker 1: carried switch blades and little bitty thirty eight and twos.
Speaker 1: Today we're using eight K forty seven's and now memometers.
Speaker 1: So they just stepped the game up on on on
Speaker 1: what game banging is today. It's totally different from there.
Speaker 1: Back then, they fought, they fought exactly so you had
Speaker 1: to prove yourself back then as well as being a
Speaker 1: man with your hands opposed. Now, I ain't gotta say
Speaker 1: nothing to you. I just shoot you. The only time
Speaker 1: you're fighting is when you fighting your own homies. You
Speaker 1: ain't fighting. And I think I need to touch on
Speaker 1: the pretty much what the parus and the crypts and
Speaker 1: all that pretty much came from the school colors as well.
Speaker 1: That's interesting because I always I always thought it was
Speaker 1: a coincidence, like Centennial Highs and Bunny Hunters and they
Speaker 1: was right there, get on the bus and Compton High
Speaker 1: is blue and demingas it's kind of neutral. I just
Speaker 1: kind of thought it was it all fell into place
Speaker 1: as a coincidence. Now they most of those guys from
Speaker 1: Westside Paru went to the Centennial and that was the
Speaker 1: color of the school was read with the Centennial. All
Speaker 1: the Compton cripts went to Compton High and then their
Speaker 1: colors were blue. Yeah, yeah, that is an interesting Uh.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a coincidence. I don't, I guess.
Speaker 1: I mean you're from Comptons. Yeah, well I know that's
Speaker 1: how you know the Compton crips and bluffs are pipe
Speaker 1: rules are sorrybody Like I said when you'll start talking
Speaker 1: about the l A Games in the sixties and the seventies,
Speaker 1: and the colors weren't even relevant. In the early seventies,
Speaker 1: the colors kind of came out. No, no, no, they
Speaker 1: like I said, they started with the school colors. Once
Speaker 1: they started, then they all used some young blood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It wasn't what's happening because
Speaker 1: it wasn't nothing like that. Those guys would see each
Speaker 1: other and fight just because or somebody coming to get
Speaker 1: somebody's jacket back, are they boots their shoes or whatever.
Speaker 1: And from the beginning of the time, fighting over women.
Speaker 1: This all my uncle numb used to do is fight
Speaker 1: over this side of the across Central they're fighting over abroad,
Speaker 1: or they're fighting because they took William mac jack k
Speaker 1: so we gotta go back. So they per formed this
Speaker 1: click where it's all about us. We're gonna protect us
Speaker 1: against anybody, and that's how they just jump into it. Well,
Speaker 1: this goes right into the next topic. Another question on
Speaker 1: Instagram was what street battles did mob James have and
Speaker 1: what about the war between the Fruit Towns and and
Speaker 1: Ma Piru. Well, my war battles was against everything that
Speaker 1: called itself a cripp and and Compton at that time.
Speaker 1: My never had a war battle against no blood sets. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that internal piru conflict is more recent. Yeah yeah, way before,
Speaker 1: way after my time. That's some that's the Mob and
Speaker 1: fruit Town. That's some new ship they're doing right now.
Speaker 1: But well, I know Fruit Town is going at it
Speaker 1: with tree Top. I didn't know. I also with Mom too.
Speaker 1: I never heard of it. I never had a beef
Speaker 1: with through Town to any tree Tops one fire Ones,
Speaker 1: no west Side, Pierus, no nothing. But there's all kind
Speaker 1: of internal conflict going. There's so much par rous and
Speaker 1: you got to look at it. The only reason why
Speaker 1: you have this is because I guess Mothercker's ain't got
Speaker 1: ship to do. They don't even wait to summertime to
Speaker 1: mo to pick who they really want to sunk with now.
Speaker 1: And then you know, going back to two thousand and two,
Speaker 1: after Alcon was killed, you got the the the thing
Speaker 1: with Lotus Park and the Mob, and then you got
Speaker 1: the Mob and Livehood Mob and everybody is fighting everybody.
Speaker 1: Everybody is fighting everybody, which is let's say it's silly
Speaker 1: because Comptany was never like that. I mean everybody from
Speaker 1: each hold can go to everybodyhood and kick it once
Speaker 1: upon a time. Now you can't do that. So I
Speaker 1: never had a beef with Fruittown. Uh. I have a
Speaker 1: lot of good friends from Fruittown right now in the day.
Speaker 1: Um So who remember I asked that question? I would say,
Speaker 1: they need to get their information right before they asked
Speaker 1: what's going on? Because Marmam James ain't never had a
Speaker 1: beef with the fruit Chimes ever in his life. So
Speaker 1: what was the main crip said that you guys would
Speaker 1: go at it with back in the seventies. The Santana's,
Speaker 1: the Santana's uh Kelly Park, Atlantic Drive, Atlantic Drive, you know,
Speaker 1: and who was never a factor? It was always Santana
Speaker 1: was the major one because the baby gangs. He had money,
Speaker 1: and he influenced some of the cats in his neighborhood
Speaker 1: and he kept them straight, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So they was our main which came him because they
Speaker 1: was They were the ones that really pretty much giving
Speaker 1: it back, you know what I'm saying. Parman Oaks and
Speaker 1: all of their mother cats was not a guys, and
Speaker 1: you basically had problems with people at school and when
Speaker 1: he went to the summertime. It was because we used
Speaker 1: to get out of school in the summertime in June.
Speaker 1: And I swear, especially from the law enforce a point
Speaker 1: of view, every time that last week or two weeks
Speaker 1: of school, you knew what was going down. You knew
Speaker 1: it was September something about that in the football game. Now,
Speaker 1: because your father was a cop, that's probably one reason
Speaker 1: why you never got involved in the gangs, correct were
Speaker 1: I grew up and walked the streets just like they did.
Speaker 1: I played, I played baseball at Kelly Park. Will you
Speaker 1: ever tempted like I want to be in the game? Never? Never?
Speaker 1: I never even you know, I always knew I wanted
Speaker 1: to be in law enforcement. We eventually wanted to be
Speaker 1: an attorney. And what I thought, say it though he
Speaker 1: always been a knuckle here him and his cousin William Flat.
Speaker 1: He came out there for Quama and started with those niggers.
Speaker 1: He was real cool with the two piece my cousin
Speaker 1: that he's about to talk about. Yeah, that's what he
Speaker 1: was hanging out there. You remember, went out there and
Speaker 1: started having Cris crossed. And Reggie was was an item.
Speaker 1: Bad but a good game. Pops get him narrow straight,
Speaker 1: and then his whole family Jarles. You never hear nobody
Speaker 1: speak on Jols. That's his uncle and and his dad.
Speaker 1: Everybody speaking on his dad is Jiles is so low cut,
Speaker 1: low key, he'd do his stay. So how would you
Speaker 1: feel when your father was arresting some of these guys
Speaker 1: that you was going to school with, or that putting
Speaker 1: cases on people, Like, wouldn't they be mad at you?
Speaker 1: Used to come to us U and I have never
Speaker 1: had that problem. They used to come to the house
Speaker 1: and sat in the living room talking to Reggie. We
Speaker 1: lived right there on Pine Street, right down the stream.
Speaker 1: I mean we until I mean I was nineteen years old,
Speaker 1: twenty years old. When when when they finally say, okay,
Speaker 1: we gotta get out here because my little sister was
Speaker 1: wilding out. I have assisted is about ten years old,
Speaker 1: name kill. That was just was wilding out, hanging on
Speaker 1: the streets. She went the Willow Brooke They won't take
Speaker 1: us into a wayy, but my father went over up
Speaker 1: to willow Brook Junior High School one time, which was
Speaker 1: a little little ways and know and my father was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, she was having problems and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. They say, no teaser, goddamn leader's the problem. Whatever,
Speaker 1: the clicks of the bat is there, and so he said,
Speaker 1: you know, he had to move her out. And so
Speaker 1: my my little sister is the reason that he finally
Speaker 1: got all the comment and to just elaborate on that, this,
Speaker 1: this is how Reggie Wright Senior was with all of us.
Speaker 1: I've never seen nobody that was so fair and uncut.
Speaker 1: If you funk up and they say your name and
Speaker 1: this report, I'm gonna come get you and take your
Speaker 1: ass to jail. If you don't be over here, you
Speaker 1: can't suck up and I won't have to come rest
Speaker 1: your ass. Reggie did this at the house so many
Speaker 1: times on your door. Yeah, come on, James, you know
Speaker 1: you ain't. We're talking. We get down to the station,
Speaker 1: and that's how he would do it. And can I
Speaker 1: get a cigarette while you do this. That's a unique
Speaker 1: relationship for police to have with the community, because that
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. And that's why I said in an earlier
Speaker 1: interview that he was doing community or policing community. But
Speaker 1: you gotta remember, my family come from the Pyroal Course
Speaker 1: housing projects. My father was boring and raised and and
Speaker 1: in Watson the projects and my mother and my father
Speaker 1: and he got kicked out of the l A. Jordan
Speaker 1: had to end up going to Compton High School and
Speaker 1: that's where you know, graduating from UM and so I
Speaker 1: say that, but he was also but this is where
Speaker 1: Reggie was. Reggie was reading the gym. Uh they called
Speaker 1: it Baby Staples Centers down the inside of the Pyal Court.
Speaker 1: He was the super superintendent there. He had a basketball
Speaker 1: team called the Imperial Course All Stars, uh that he
Speaker 1: took all over you know b C I programs and
Speaker 1: took him all over the state. It was like well
Speaker 1: we know now and as the traveling basketball and all
Speaker 1: of that. He was doing that with the team out
Speaker 1: of the Watts Bank then. And so Reggie did like
Speaker 1: Roy Hamilton, David Greenwood and all of them from the
Speaker 1: seventy four to uh about he wouldn't kind of the
Speaker 1: early cripping in the Imperial Court. So he knows, he
Speaker 1: knows all of that history. And I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: he was deep into it because he was at the
Speaker 1: Imperial Court. My uncle who also coached baseball and baseball
Speaker 1: and football, UM, and so they but my point being
Speaker 1: is that um, he was also the meter reader, not
Speaker 1: the meter reader. He wasn't me. He was a little
Speaker 1: higher than the meter reader because my father didn't become
Speaker 1: in the law enforce until he was about twenty eight
Speaker 1: years of age, which was a little bit late. Um
Speaker 1: me just returned not too long ago. But um but
Speaker 1: he was the one that worked for Edison that came
Speaker 1: and cut your lights off. Was you know, he was
Speaker 1: the bill collector that they didn't have all the meter
Speaker 1: readers now where you can just turn it out from there.
Speaker 1: They had to come to the house and try to
Speaker 1: collect the money. If not, your lights get cut off.
Speaker 1: So he built relationships with people because he was he
Speaker 1: wasn't that good at the job. You know. He would
Speaker 1: talk to people and be like, hey, you need to
Speaker 1: get this done. I gotta come back, or this is
Speaker 1: how we need to do it. So this is how
Speaker 1: he built relationships with people. A family. So that's why
Speaker 1: mainly most of the guys was out there. Mothers and
Speaker 1: fathers knew it. Mainly was mothers. This was in the
Speaker 1: Compton Watch area. It was he had that whole area.
Speaker 1: And so that's why he built relationships with all of
Speaker 1: these people. Where when he became in law enforcement, he
Speaker 1: pretty much already knew him, knew who would be hanging out,
Speaker 1: who was there because of his job. What Reggie knew
Speaker 1: he knew from and that was before law enforcement. They
Speaker 1: didn't know that they hated he always had a problem
Speaker 1: with what they call fratnization. Now you know what that.
Speaker 1: But they knew. But people in upper management knew he
Speaker 1: was effective where he was. You know, you could and
Speaker 1: he had a memory. I mean, this man had a memory.
Speaker 1: Out of this world is going now now he gotta
Speaker 1: takes him a minute to think. But back then you're
Speaker 1: telling him something about it, and he'll tell you, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's the one. So that's the one. So he's sitting
Speaker 1: on the he's sitting on the block wall right now
Speaker 1: doing this weariness. Is how his reputation became named. So
Speaker 1: how did your dad end up living in Compton? Then?
Speaker 1: If he was from Watts everybody moved from the project
Speaker 1: to the city of Compton. Everybody's parents came from either.
Speaker 1: I guess the year we lived on A hundred we
Speaker 1: moved from I never lived my mom would get married.
Speaker 1: You have a finish. She heard me say, I lived
Speaker 1: in the project. I didn't live on but I lived
Speaker 1: on a hundred fourteen Street, which was right outside the projects.
Speaker 1: But you know we called it moving on up. I
Speaker 1: guess that was our Jefferson's move in the conference. And
Speaker 1: I heard you mentioned um Santana block dude named Turtle.
Speaker 1: My father still to this day, were a charm that
Speaker 1: Turtle gave him, you know, Turtle to Compton from another
Speaker 1: state when he was a young kid. The majority of yeah,
Speaker 1: and how did how did Turtle become the man in Santano?
Speaker 1: It wasn't because he was the because of the game.
Speaker 1: The game usually the little, the smallest guys. When the
Speaker 1: cocaine came to County, some of us knew. We looked
Speaker 1: at it, We know how to sell it. Some of
Speaker 1: the guys cats got to know how to rock it.
Speaker 1: Some of them cats, they can rock it, they can
Speaker 1: sell it, and they knew how to save their money.
Speaker 1: You knew how to cut it and the whole nine.
Speaker 1: And they was making money though. You could tell. Those
Speaker 1: guys were shining like motherfucker baby gags and all of them.
Speaker 1: So the ones that didn't make it was just in
Speaker 1: the hood doing their things. But the ones that did,
Speaker 1: like Turtle, I remember that white, uh was it the
Speaker 1: sixty five ship you had with bad havy rabbit on
Speaker 1: it pissed me off. He had a perm at the
Speaker 1: time and send him one day I was hitting. But
Speaker 1: we had the same fucking opportunity as they had. We
Speaker 1: had fucking bags like ship, and we just didn't know
Speaker 1: what the funk we was doing. So the way we
Speaker 1: sold it, we were getting it away for five hundred
Speaker 1: dollars and then rocket. Even if you're dealing with cocaine,
Speaker 1: it's still a business. You still got to have the
Speaker 1: talent to make the profit and we have to go
Speaker 1: re up. We didn't have that. You know, if you
Speaker 1: look at all the guys that I knew that was
Speaker 1: successful in the game, from m Armando to uh um
Speaker 1: uh think they were all from Pat Johnson. All of
Speaker 1: the motherfucker's was probably about five six five seven weight
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty hundred sixty pounds. My point was
Speaker 1: it was always a little small thing s our guy
Speaker 1: that was had the business mind that made it happen.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they were well so um less
Speaker 1: intimidating to deal with because you know, the stature or whatever.
Speaker 1: But every dude that I know that was a hunter
Speaker 1: was about the only one when you mentioned his name, well,
Speaker 1: Wayne Day, that was a big du that that was
Speaker 1: kind of uh you know who was connected. He definitely
Speaker 1: had the skill, he had the connection and the connection. Yeah,
Speaker 1: telling me ask you did the santa when you said
Speaker 1: the Santano's had maybe extra skills or edge when it
Speaker 1: came to hustling back then, the two or three guys,
Speaker 1: and they had other people outside of them, and then
Speaker 1: they was taking out of town, out of town waiting
Speaker 1: for we even thought about going to Denver. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. They was already gone. And then one
Speaker 1: thing about those cats was man to to to do
Speaker 1: your dealings and then to deal with the game, bang
Speaker 1: and ship at the same time. They did them both
Speaker 1: and they wasn't no, they got making money. They let
Speaker 1: me get over here. I ain't raising these cats, but
Speaker 1: I'm giving credit with credit is due. Those cats was
Speaker 1: on the block with doozies doing their ding with money
Speaker 1: in their pocket. I'm talking about cats all up and down.
Speaker 1: Uh what's the street? Uh God or no, they on
Speaker 1: rosecrans and the little spot pearls. But those cats was
Speaker 1: on that one seven ready to go. And every time
Speaker 1: we went down there, Uh, we had to deal with
Speaker 1: some cats and it was we were fired upon, we
Speaker 1: were shoting at at and it wouldn't know, just let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and get these niggas. It was always an issue.
Speaker 1: And that was the fun thing about Santana's and even
Speaker 1: from the uh, the pyrous side. And you know, I'm
Speaker 1: giving a guy credit that Jay probably don't like too much.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But Glen we called him Glenco Zeke.
Speaker 1: We it was Zeke and we called I called him
Speaker 1: always Glenco. He was a part of dude that grew up,
Speaker 1: that was one of Bunchry's closest friends at one time.
Speaker 1: That was connected. But he went over and dealt with
Speaker 1: the South sides. And that's why we called him Glencoe
Speaker 1: because that's what you know, one of the main streets
Speaker 1: over in south side of the crypt uh huh. Zeke
Speaker 1: was always he had to the end with Fink. And
Speaker 1: that's what exactly, that's my point. That was the connects.
Speaker 1: I was just I say, this is how the blood
Speaker 1: and the crew we're connecting with, you know, was connected,
Speaker 1: and you know that they would work together. They would
Speaker 1: only fun with Zeke pretty much. But he can go
Speaker 1: over there in south Side and get whatever he needed
Speaker 1: and bring it back with any crypt gang in Compton
Speaker 1: and and this crypt game, which is Santana's. They were
Speaker 1: like bright in the middle of the you got these
Speaker 1: then here they go. You got M Street and from
Speaker 1: M Street on down you got number bloods and and
Speaker 1: they actually they did they think they represented their ship.
Speaker 1: They didn't man this ship shut down. No, there was
Speaker 1: the only ones. I give them any props on that.
Speaker 1: And they wouldn't go away. They wouldn't go away for real.
Speaker 1: I'm serious. We had issues with those cats for years,
Speaker 1: and I say the only crip gang out there that
Speaker 1: was at that time in the early eighties was was them.
Speaker 1: Have you made peace with any of the Santana blocks
Speaker 1: as you got older, Hans or had a meal? No, No,
Speaker 1: I haven't. I don't. I mean associate with people like that.
Speaker 1: I mean I think I'm sure there's some o G
Speaker 1: Santana does that feel the same way you feel? That
Speaker 1: probably due and always say that they didn't have too
Speaker 1: much problems because gangster kind of goddamn shop pretty much
Speaker 1: in the hood. Right what the confidence fought me was
Speaker 1: right on right on with the with the the little shop.
Speaker 1: I said, what's what's up? You know what? And the
Speaker 1: reason because of that, because he was going through some
Speaker 1: ship with his wife, the lady passing and all that.
Speaker 1: He just getting out the fares all that man. Motherfucker's
Speaker 1: grew up and they got time for the beef. You
Speaker 1: feel me so, But just say if that was years,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be there. And he knew he wouldn't be
Speaker 1: posted there, so I mean, even him, he ain't stupid.
Speaker 1: That's like me going to post up right there before
Speaker 1: they build that bridge over over on Rose Glass. Ain't happening.
Speaker 1: You ain't walking down that street, even though tree Top
Speaker 1: was right right on the other side of the ridge.
Speaker 1: But the ain't nobody going, Yeah, I'm not walking right there.
Speaker 1: Cross tracks those guys, man, was confidence pretty much set
Speaker 1: up by tracks, the railroad tracks, which is willow Brook, Alameter.
Speaker 1: It's pretty much whereverybody knew their boundaries were. Well, that's
Speaker 1: what divide the east side from the west side. Always
Speaker 1: I every blood shid, I went in and I kicked
Speaker 1: it through towns Duck and all of those cats we've
Speaker 1: always kicked it. Me and lead Forward used to hang
Speaker 1: together all the time on Peach. Yeah, and then let
Speaker 1: me just say that MORV James had a blood party
Speaker 1: every Friday night or Saturday night, Friday night, Friday night,
Speaker 1: every every seven house at this house. It was so bad.
Speaker 1: I used to go. I used to love it because
Speaker 1: I'll go over there at the end of the year
Speaker 1: because you know what I did. Jacket niggas coming out
Speaker 1: of the party. They all had guns on them and
Speaker 1: just let them have their day. And that man talking,
Speaker 1: so he was coming up there, up coming. Police come
Speaker 1: and they tell me I had to shut club mob down.
Speaker 1: I don't, but don't. Don't got dog on neighbors. I
Speaker 1: was gonna senior citizen block colub meetings, everything like, how
Speaker 1: y'all letting this go on? You know what it was?
Speaker 1: So it was so reckless and I'm in it now.
Speaker 1: You know. The guys were so they all respected me
Speaker 1: because I told him, y'all party and my ship to
Speaker 1: do whatever you want. Don't spin on my floor and
Speaker 1: don't drop no cigarette. Other than that, I don't give
Speaker 1: And and we would play. We would have football games.
Speaker 1: We was playing Emerald Hills every Sunday and all the
Speaker 1: San Diego Cats would come down and just man, it
Speaker 1: was just we do when we want when we get
Speaker 1: to this cat this nigger house on bloods Nigga, I'm
Speaker 1: coming and then you're just they got Poldy card. So
Speaker 1: Emerald Hills Blood from Sandy Southeast San Diego would come
Speaker 1: to comf the way to Compton and just to play
Speaker 1: football against us. And then after we played football, they
Speaker 1: go to their court get a case in Hennessey and
Speaker 1: and we all started getting sucked up. Now they would
Speaker 1: stay and kick it. There comes Saturday party Sunday, Sunday morning.
Speaker 1: Those that was dropping up in the then and whatever
Speaker 1: got up and went home. The football game he got killed.
Speaker 1: He left the park that was we was playing the
Speaker 1: West Side. We was playing the Body Hunters. Okay, I
Speaker 1: thought he was playing the Huns. Got that call on
Speaker 1: that one. Now, you also mentioned two other crip sets.
Speaker 1: Both of y'all mentioned Kelly Park in Atlanta. Try but
Speaker 1: before I asked you about that, I just interviewed some
Speaker 1: Emerald hill Blood because I was in San Diego a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, and I just posted that on
Speaker 1: my channel. So for anyone that's interested in one of
Speaker 1: my latest interviews, go visit street tv and you can
Speaker 1: check out some of the Emerald Hill Bloods that I
Speaker 1: enter feed over there in their neighborhood. But you also
Speaker 1: mentioned this top time from the neighborhood that we're talk
Speaker 1: Lloyd Lake there. I don't Lloyd Lake, but it's the
Speaker 1: south southeast San Diego. They up on a on the hill.
Speaker 1: They call it Uptown. This the pinky and the index
Speaker 1: finger which makes it you is their sign because of uptown.
Speaker 1: So uh, I had his brother given me the history
Speaker 1: of the Emerald Hill Bloods. They even even the dude
Speaker 1: even mentioned he said, man, they know us, they know
Speaker 1: us in l An. They all little cash, straight pimper,
Speaker 1: straight pimper making their money and them dudes was doing
Speaker 1: it good. We'll go check out about that Emerald Hill
Speaker 1: interview on the Street TV. But you guys also mentioned
Speaker 1: Kelly Park, Compton Crips and Atlantic Drive Competon Crips. Were
Speaker 1: they kind of a factor in terms of the conflict
Speaker 1: with the mob back then. Kelly Park, Yes, uh call
Speaker 1: Pork has some riders in it, that's where he's from. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And they had alignment. They made alignment with the hell
Speaker 1: of you used to go south side Atlantic and Kelly
Speaker 1: Park neighborhood. It was alignment something like that when they
Speaker 1: even went together, but they mainly fought with Santano, to
Speaker 1: be honest. They had a big we used to call
Speaker 1: it the Compton massacre and the down they about four
Speaker 1: or five them got killed one one day at Kelly Park,
Speaker 1: uh and a big shootout. Potato here. Paul Watson still
Speaker 1: a little death row behind that. Bunty went to jail
Speaker 1: when they started that, came out with the c that
Speaker 1: was hunch That's so funny, that's so funny. I did
Speaker 1: a crip from Watts hunch Old start the niggas and united.
Speaker 1: They only become the c C Rider after his brother
Speaker 1: got killed, Kenny Crow. My father's one of the arrest
Speaker 1: of the guy that killed his brother on that trying
Speaker 1: to fix it him. But my brother bunch Ree went
Speaker 1: to the park where they was having this meeting. And
Speaker 1: it's a crazy story. Which part Kelly Parks, Kelly Park
Speaker 1: when they was former CC Riders Right now, what part
Speaker 1: was that? Because we had the tape, No that was
Speaker 1: a competent high school on the football field, no football
Speaker 1: they got pulled over, that was on the football field, compo.
Speaker 1: I got the whole tape of that. A bunch of
Speaker 1: them in the car. Just stay in the car, draw
Speaker 1: down and let him have it. The police see them,
Speaker 1: so they take salt. They would have got away like motherfucker,
Speaker 1: but this mesking lady was in front of him. They
Speaker 1: speak cleaning English, and they was telling her to get
Speaker 1: the funk out the way, blowing the horn the whole night.
Speaker 1: She didn't know what the funk they was talking about.
Speaker 1: But anyway, why the funk y'all didn't bag up and
Speaker 1: and and go around them. They didn't. They didn't have
Speaker 1: no reverse, So the bolus ten minutes sitting there, police
Speaker 1: catch them, pull up. They all jumped out the car.
Speaker 1: And this is when Alton caught the assault on the
Speaker 1: police officer. The dog that came up by the house.
Speaker 1: He choked the dog out, so they gave him a
Speaker 1: tempt on the dog that's an officer. So and that
Speaker 1: was real funny because everybody was supposed to be in
Speaker 1: on this, and they were supposed to be they supposed
Speaker 1: to got attacked from each corner. It's what's called because
Speaker 1: if y'all come out on this side or come out
Speaker 1: with the building, the court building that where, if y'all
Speaker 1: come out that way, they're getting hit. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But no, they went on and did them,
Speaker 1: and they cost them nine years. The CC writer went
Speaker 1: off for a little wasn't nothing. Were united for a
Speaker 1: minute though, when that real nighting not took over. They
Speaker 1: they were cec riding. Was the post would be something
Speaker 1: that took overcome, yea. They thought they were gonna come
Speaker 1: in and shut one who had down at a time.
Speaker 1: It wasn't happening. Y'all weren't ready for no ship like that.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that they were consolidating to be against
Speaker 1: the py Rouse all together come together because they were
Speaker 1: killing each other. They was killing they was knocking down
Speaker 1: they because half the component crypt don't get along there.
Speaker 1: That's why they were killing each other. The shooting you
Speaker 1: just mentioned that landed Um Humble on death row from Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they called Paul Watson, but Paul was that I
Speaker 1: was working. I worked at that homicide seen um ain't
Speaker 1: too many ninety four ninety It the quintuple homicide. You
Speaker 1: know about four or five people got shout at the
Speaker 1: park that day. I'll tell your story right quick. Be
Speaker 1: the promote being a a donor the can you think
Speaker 1: of the name now, mindo wasn't well anyway. He was
Speaker 1: one of the main shot calls over the Atlantic Dry.
Speaker 1: The reason why. And this boy is walking around good today.
Speaker 1: His mama refused to take him off for life support
Speaker 1: because she was trying to wait for a donor, uh,
Speaker 1: to give up his parts organs to be an organ donor. Um.
Speaker 1: And this boy, you know, he's still not all all there.
Speaker 1: But his boy still walking around the day from Atlantic
Speaker 1: Dry because his mom was trying to wait for an
Speaker 1: organ donor. And he came through that thought. The doctors
Speaker 1: told him he was gonna be dead. One of the
Speaker 1: main shot called Mondo. I can't take that boy name,
Speaker 1: but he was one of the main dudes over the
Speaker 1: Atlantic Dry to this day. They got shot up in
Speaker 1: that during that same shooting. Yeah, then in jail on
Speaker 1: death row everybody. But now you got a car coming
Speaker 1: from the scene. In the car, it wasn't like one
Speaker 1: of those they got caught, I'm sure. Was he the
Speaker 1: only one that was about three or for him that
Speaker 1: got he's probably the only one on death row from Santana.
Speaker 1: I have to call senior on that. I don't remember.
Speaker 1: My memory not good with the niggas all right, and
Speaker 1: real quick before we move on to the next topic.
Speaker 1: You mentioned easy being from Kelly Parker. Um, he basically
Speaker 1: was spearheaded the whole gangster rap I would say gangster
Speaker 1: rap label before Yeah. Um he started Ruthless Records and
Speaker 1: what seven And it was that Kelly park money that
Speaker 1: financed it, right, Yeah, there is a big misconception about that.
Speaker 1: It was cocaine and it was mainly this week though
Speaker 1: he's a big time wheat make some money. Pounds were
Speaker 1: back then, because you know, I was if you take
Speaker 1: it somewhere was a hundred and fifty bucks somewhere else.
Speaker 1: But the weed and eighties seven you had Thai budd right,
Speaker 1: what else? There was no chronic there was no kids.
Speaker 1: He had seeds. Stress, yeah, stress, what else was the stress?
Speaker 1: Time was time? He was lucky. Time was the best.
Speaker 1: That was the Yeah, that man. So he was making
Speaker 1: his money off of them. Yeah, you gotta sell a
Speaker 1: lot of that to to have the money, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't And they made the deal real quick, you know.
Speaker 1: But he had some street money. He was making two
Speaker 1: dollars a day and uh school selling that doming selling
Speaker 1: single joints. They have them all pre rolls, alright, Our
Speaker 1: next question off of Instagram was the whole l Rate
Speaker 1: theater incident in was a brother from Roll the Sixties
Speaker 1: got stomped to death. I think his name was bo
Speaker 1: oh Well. I know him as Kelly Jamerson, Kelly Jamerson.
Speaker 1: And the question is how did that situation from the
Speaker 1: guy that got killed from sixties not escalate into something
Speaker 1: larger with death row records big you will say, because
Speaker 1: he was out, wasn't out, which was but this is
Speaker 1: what happened. Um he came allegedly he was on the
Speaker 1: the DJ's um um guest less. DJ Quick was having
Speaker 1: this big problem with m C eight at the time
Speaker 1: because the g wasn't anyone right and so and so
Speaker 1: quick as just got off stage performing and they were
Speaker 1: walking by. Uh, and then m C eight, you know,
Speaker 1: because him a Quick had that major this thing going on,
Speaker 1: and he was just hollering at him, and you know,
Speaker 1: started pointing that Quick and disrespecting Quick, and then the
Speaker 1: melee started between everybody, just the pie roots and pretty
Speaker 1: much any Quick that we'll get or any Crypts that
Speaker 1: will get involved. And and that's how he got stumped out. Now, Uh,
Speaker 1: when that guy, when the guy stumped out like that
Speaker 1: if the mother catch whoever was with him didn't leave
Speaker 1: run because they was they were fighting. They were fighting,
Speaker 1: and if the mother cats wouldn't have left, And then man,
Speaker 1: I was over there by the stage with ship and
Speaker 1: all you see was bottles and all kind of ship
Speaker 1: being thrown chairs and over the place. So you you
Speaker 1: wasn't there wasn't she was on the stage, and I
Speaker 1: was right there when he was on stage, I was
Speaker 1: right there watching his back. So when all that ship
Speaker 1: went off, the bar was if you're facing the stage,
Speaker 1: the bar was to the right. So timmy hand dog
Speaker 1: quick Um was done zell Um, quite other few people,
Speaker 1: the the bodyguard that was with him that that eventually died.
Speaker 1: Big Harry said, dude from St. Louis, I can't think
Speaker 1: of that. And I said again, if if his homeboys
Speaker 1: wouldn't have left him, I don't think it would have
Speaker 1: been that serious. But when the fight broke out and
Speaker 1: it was just just just motherfucker's on top of each
Speaker 1: other's and and motherfucker's was getting getting beat up. And
Speaker 1: was he targeted or no, Jamerson, he was just he
Speaker 1: was just in the area. It was well, and then
Speaker 1: you know the crypt, the crypt and the party rout
Speaker 1: thing kicked in is what mainly happened. I can't even
Speaker 1: say that that Jamison was with M because I know,
Speaker 1: you know, because I got sued and everybody got sued,
Speaker 1: and I so I know that he was on the
Speaker 1: guest list. It was it was game, but it was
Speaker 1: everything in there after that, because when the bottles and
Speaker 1: ships started getting through, that was quick than throwing back
Speaker 1: and forth at each other, and you here, what's happened.
Speaker 1: They're gonna bloods and they're gonna don't quip. And then
Speaker 1: it was just and it happened like that that fast.
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, those dogs swing open, motherfucker's running
Speaker 1: out of there. And when motherfucker's running towards their cars,
Speaker 1: you heard people saying, help help help him. He helping
Speaker 1: me still down, his home voice was gone. Everybody skirted
Speaker 1: up out of there, and the next day they said
Speaker 1: somebody was killed. And six months later, two months later,
Speaker 1: Tupac wrote a song about it, and how you say
Speaker 1: I killed somebody? DJ and I'm not a gangster? That
Speaker 1: that one that was a couple of years later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, by that time, he was going from I
Speaker 1: don't even want to put our ship in it like that.
Speaker 1: But you know, motherfucker's got the point fingers at the row,
Speaker 1: motherfucker's and was saying such and such did all this
Speaker 1: year old bullshit, and only a few people went to
Speaker 1: the police. They had to go to the police station
Speaker 1: behind that ship. And you know, how do you motherfucker know?
Speaker 1: The police know his name, his name, his name. That's
Speaker 1: all y'all got to give. Were the cameras rolling inside
Speaker 1: there captained the whole thing. And theater did not have cameras.
Speaker 1: And man, we're talking about the nineties now, they wasn't
Speaker 1: like that. Cameras, not one single camera. They didn't have
Speaker 1: cameras one that that that popular back then. Anyway, Thank
Speaker 1: god I was you know, I was over security then,
Speaker 1: but I was just at the door. The security that
Speaker 1: I was hired. Um, they had their own. It was
Speaker 1: the house security thing. God was. They all took off
Speaker 1: a bunch of L A p. D. Cops and all
Speaker 1: of that. They got in trouble because they mainly, um
Speaker 1: do you um fought the security for not doing anything.
Speaker 1: You could have broken up so um any times, um,
Speaker 1: somebody get uh stumped out, you know, that's that's taking
Speaker 1: supposed to stop it quicker. So, yeah, I have some concerns,
Speaker 1: but but my people would make me the artists. So
Speaker 1: I got my client out and she got out real quick.
Speaker 1: Well you couldn't blame now. She was on the stage.
Speaker 1: He was trying to stop it. He was like he
Speaker 1: thought the party was gonna still go on. He was like,
Speaker 1: I said, nig we, let's go, let's go now he was,
Speaker 1: It's okay, Red, just stop, no, let's go. The place
Speaker 1: was sup. Yeah, it was still trying to party. It
Speaker 1: was it was Yeah, he was still trying to party.
Speaker 1: But that ship level party. So basically nothing really escalated,
Speaker 1: you know, corrupt cart a little trouble. We had to go,
Speaker 1: and I remember me and she going over the next
Speaker 1: day the Silver Lake and meeting with UH. That's when
Speaker 1: we found out the FBI and and all of that
Speaker 1: was following us around like crazy because they jacked us.
Speaker 1: Uh come, you know when we was meeting with UH,
Speaker 1: we was meeting with the corrupting DASK because they were
Speaker 1: scared shitless because they were getting all the threats and
Speaker 1: all of that. Why the sixties and I think that's
Speaker 1: what you're saying, why the sixties and started gang? Well,
Speaker 1: that's all about. That's all about. That's why we went
Speaker 1: to bed, and they were they were upset. You know,
Speaker 1: we're corrupting dass and putting pressure on them. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if she'll ever get some money to corrupt
Speaker 1: in dask to the filter, to their hood or what.
Speaker 1: But I know they were catching a lot of hem.
Speaker 1: They were the partners. He's from Long Beach, but they
Speaker 1: were a partner. Dash from New Orleans, Memphis, Mississippi, and
Speaker 1: sowere he was from He he's from Philadelphia, but he
Speaker 1: was up under the sixty car with the Broomfields and
Speaker 1: Big You and all of them, and so they you know,
Speaker 1: they had a little affiliation with that. So I guess
Speaker 1: an answer to this guy's question somehow got worked out.
Speaker 1: We never yeah, we we never had no problems after that,
Speaker 1: not with the with the sixties. After that. Um never
Speaker 1: had no problems. And eventually we all know that she
Speaker 1: started hanging with the sixties with Big You once he
Speaker 1: came home. Yeah, yeah, so I was. There was no problem.
Speaker 1: Deaths later, that's much later. All right, Well Big You
Speaker 1: was in jail at that time. Alright, So um, let's
Speaker 1: move on to our final topic and This comes in
Speaker 1: from another Instagram follower. Oh, this is a this is
Speaker 1: a really controversial question. Would there be less police shootings
Speaker 1: if black people complied more with the police? Man, home, man,
Speaker 1: I already know what Reggie's gonna say. I told you
Speaker 1: about about two two episodes ago that y'all gotta teach
Speaker 1: your kids to comply and we can deal with the
Speaker 1: cops and go down to the station later. That's a
Speaker 1: sad case because I've taught both of my kids how
Speaker 1: to conduct themselves in the years old and fourteen years old,
Speaker 1: and I'm telling them when I get pulled over and this,
Speaker 1: you guys to see, this is what and you're gonna
Speaker 1: get that type of bullshit from them, whether you like
Speaker 1: it or not. Wait a minute, whether you reply or not. Bullshit.
Speaker 1: The police is gonna do what they want when they
Speaker 1: felt like it. Now. But standing out on the corner,
Speaker 1: the police come and pull you over, let me see
Speaker 1: your like, why bullshit with him and play games and
Speaker 1: want to fight. You're not gonna win this fight you Yeah, no, No,
Speaker 1: even the ones that's clean, there's no need for for
Speaker 1: that type of conversation. Just getting what they want to
Speaker 1: be done with it and then let it. Sometimes it
Speaker 1: don't work like that, whether you comply or not. You
Speaker 1: got this asshole as cop donna want to push you
Speaker 1: in your back and be all rough with you and
Speaker 1: ship so man that that that that can go anyway,
Speaker 1: any kind of way. It all depends on what type
Speaker 1: officer you get that's pulling you over. Or you can
Speaker 1: say no, Reggie, I'm not gonna allow you to turn
Speaker 1: your back on me to day. I'm just telling you
Speaker 1: because we have I mean, you have something that if
Speaker 1: they don't told you four or five times, get your
Speaker 1: ass off this block, move, keep moving. You don't stay
Speaker 1: in there. And that's usually just because that's usually because
Speaker 1: the lady in front of the house, old Grandma is
Speaker 1: complaining and keep calling down to the station to the
Speaker 1: washer man. Why won't they move James from in front
Speaker 1: of the house. He out there selling that stuff now. Actually,
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna tell you, man, I ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 1: Can't make me leave. And then you're gonna say I
Speaker 1: want your I d get on my car and don't
Speaker 1: you move. Man. You can't tell me where it moved
Speaker 1: you well, and Compton, we have a municipal blocking the side.
Speaker 1: We got examples where people did not deserve to get
Speaker 1: shot that are on camera. Oscar Grhant, We've all seen
Speaker 1: um the fruit veil platform video. The guy the cops
Speaker 1: actually ended up saying, oh, I thought that was my taser.
Speaker 1: You know that's the old senior citizens in the back.
Speaker 1: He said, what about Philando? And I believe that that
Speaker 1: he that that old man messed up on that. I
Speaker 1: believe because I don't tasers really weren't that popular. I
Speaker 1: don't remember. The cops are just be just as scared
Speaker 1: as uh some people, especially if that training is not
Speaker 1: that well. But your tasers on your weak side, your
Speaker 1: guns on your strong side. So how do you grab
Speaker 1: your taser and think it's your gun? Or vice versa,
Speaker 1: how do you grab your gun and think it's your taser?
Speaker 1: They're on opposite sides, Right, he was wrong? What about
Speaker 1: Philando Castile? The guy says, Hey, I'm gonna go give
Speaker 1: you my I D right now. But Shade in the
Speaker 1: back seat, I do have a gun. It's legal. I
Speaker 1: worked for the school district and and he just aired
Speaker 1: his ass out. That's all on camera too, So I
Speaker 1: know what the situation you're talking about, but I don't know,
Speaker 1: but he had back tactics, and that's the good thing
Speaker 1: you should sussily. Living in California, the police also standing
Speaker 1: and training is a lot better than you have in
Speaker 1: some of your states out in the South, um and
Speaker 1: so they know how to order the people out of
Speaker 1: the car. You you you just pretty much freeze the
Speaker 1: situation and wait till you get some back up, or
Speaker 1: you just get people out of the car and you
Speaker 1: try to slow the situation down, you know what. That's
Speaker 1: how you're supposed to do it. But the most recent
Speaker 1: issue that we're talking about, the incident I think it
Speaker 1: was in Florida or somewhere that they did shot the
Speaker 1: lady four times, three or four times. We don't know
Speaker 1: she'd be trying to say because the investigation knew that
Speaker 1: she was reaching for something that's not I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to gonna be here and try to justify the shooting
Speaker 1: because we don't know the facts. Because you could have
Speaker 1: had a gun in the waist band. We don't know,
Speaker 1: because they're not saying I don't know what they said
Speaker 1: she we don't know. My whole point to that though,
Speaker 1: is if she would have complied, she still be alive
Speaker 1: and she would just let the man frisker do whatever
Speaker 1: and still out there trying to talk shit resist. You
Speaker 1: know what, don't you think that today when I go
Speaker 1: to work, I'm gonna find at least five people I stopped.
Speaker 1: Two of them gonna be combative. Two im ain't gonna
Speaker 1: listen to what I tell them to do. That you
Speaker 1: don't go to work with their mentality, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to with somebody I didn't um and I don't remember
Speaker 1: really been in the cars with people like that. But
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it doesn't happen that some people,
Speaker 1: because I don't know what a person in mindset is.
Speaker 1: But my point to that is, if you have a
Speaker 1: good management at your at the police department, that cop
Speaker 1: is going to eventually get weighted out. We knew the
Speaker 1: ones that was heavy handed, that's what we used to
Speaker 1: call are aggressive, and after three or four or five complaints,
Speaker 1: but that same type of situation, trust me, they asked,
Speaker 1: got moved to community affairs, they got put in helicopter.
Speaker 1: There's they got, they got reassigned. Um, if not pretty
Speaker 1: much told hey don't get in another one or you're
Speaker 1: gonna get dealt with. So if you have good management
Speaker 1: and and you know, fortunately I was at a department
Speaker 1: where we were fifty black and white, and so the
Speaker 1: you know, the white officers can run rapid as rapid
Speaker 1: as um as they're do in some departments. I'm not
Speaker 1: here to say that there's not bad officers on the
Speaker 1: street or heavy handed aggressive. The most heavy handed aggressive
Speaker 1: officers that I worked with were black, to be honest, um.
Speaker 1: But they're learning that because that's just the culture of
Speaker 1: the police, not because of their black They're they're absorbing
Speaker 1: the culture of law enforcement based on the officers that's
Speaker 1: what they're supposed. It could be that from the training
Speaker 1: or there, or they're got or it could be because
Speaker 1: and its mainly was because they thought that was their
Speaker 1: way of making the difference until they found how how
Speaker 1: the department to turn on it. Because you know, like
Speaker 1: I had two grandmothers and little in the city of Compton.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a problem because you know with the
Speaker 1: guys hanging in front of their house and stuff like
Speaker 1: that because of James. But my grandmother eventually had to move.
Speaker 1: I love the city of Compton because two people got
Speaker 1: killed in front of her house and so if she
Speaker 1: wasn't living over there by the McDonald's, and and and
Speaker 1: the people that they were allowing to come over to
Speaker 1: their house. She might, you know, would have died living
Speaker 1: in the city of Compton and wouldn't had to move out. Well,
Speaker 1: my biggest problem with these heavy handed officers is that
Speaker 1: I've seen at least a dozen videos where they are
Speaker 1: pursuing a white person or a white woman, and w
Speaker 1: I'm saying to myself, this is lasting far too long.
Speaker 1: If this person was black, they would have got aired
Speaker 1: out already. White women jumping out of the car, in
Speaker 1: the car, out the car, dancing, white guys just talking,
Speaker 1: all kind of crazy mess and and that's don't play
Speaker 1: that too much. Race has to play a role in this.
Speaker 1: But even though let me say this, let me say this,
Speaker 1: and this is to to all black cats out there
Speaker 1: that get pulled over. At some point, we as black
Speaker 1: men have to learn you got to understand the system
Speaker 1: and roll with it, because we can't beat the system
Speaker 1: no matter what we do. I had to learn stop
Speaker 1: running your mouth to the police, to me do what
Speaker 1: you do and then let them go about their business.
Speaker 1: I've learned that. But then in between times you get
Speaker 1: that one that don't ain't got no love for you
Speaker 1: like that, Like Graves, this motherfucker was ready to do
Speaker 1: me in handcuffs because I didn't want to do a
Speaker 1: goddamn gang video with them at the police station. You
Speaker 1: feel me? So what is my choices? Either standing his
Speaker 1: motherfucker's seldom let them come in here and get me.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, I do it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you have to you have to say put all
Speaker 1: your pride to the side to say, Okay, I understand officer,
Speaker 1: Yes sir. So this is what they want to hear.
Speaker 1: How you're talking to I mean, I guess you're talking
Speaker 1: about saving lives. But at the same time, police officers
Speaker 1: need to be trained to deal with the mouth, but
Speaker 1: to deal with the cursing, to deal with the disrespect.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean pull out my gun and blow your way.
Speaker 1: Dealing with police officers is if I come off aggressive
Speaker 1: before they even say anything. Now, the whole situation is aggressive.
Speaker 1: If they come off aggressive, I don't have to get
Speaker 1: aggressive because he's an asshole. Still reply, still saying yes sir,
Speaker 1: your mind telling me what I'm pulled over for it.
Speaker 1: Then the cool thing about that is we don't know
Speaker 1: our laws on the streets on why they're not supposed
Speaker 1: to funk with you if you ain't committed a crime.
Speaker 1: I'll be watching all these ships on on this phone
Speaker 1: here they're chewing the police out. Well, officer, do you
Speaker 1: know what the three or eight is? Chick? And I'm
Speaker 1: I don't know what the code is. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: what you're saying. I know what you're saying. And those
Speaker 1: stupid cops because I can. I can get in your
Speaker 1: pockets and I can get in you. I can get
Speaker 1: in you and have you arrested for any pretty much anything.
Speaker 1: They don't know how you have to do it. Pull
Speaker 1: me over, or just walk on the sidewalk and stop
Speaker 1: and say give me your ID. I can ask you,
Speaker 1: but you don't have to give an I don't have
Speaker 1: to give it you. I can ask you, but then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find a reason to take your after jail.
Speaker 1: Why would you do that? You're blocking the sidewalk. No,
Speaker 1: I'm walking, said walking. I'll find I'll find a reason.
Speaker 1: I'll find a reason to legally. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: want to fight it, fight it, because because all he's
Speaker 1: gonna do is wrack up some paperwork. His superiors is
Speaker 1: gonna say what you got on this guy? Nothing, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna get out to fo he's been going there.
Speaker 1: But because if you ain't got no worts, why not
Speaker 1: just give the idea? Why fight them about it? And
Speaker 1: why not just compliance say the principality the principality of it,
Speaker 1: and then you can fight it. One time I got
Speaker 1: told quick story. I got pulled over and I had
Speaker 1: a legal gun in the back seat, locked, and they
Speaker 1: asked me, can we go in that box and look
Speaker 1: at your gun to make sure it's unloaded because you
Speaker 1: can't have it loaded in the state of California. I said, no,
Speaker 1: you can't go in that box, and they made it
Speaker 1: a forty five minute or deal. They said, just give
Speaker 1: us the key and let us look. Not I could
Speaker 1: have just been Mr. Nice guy, here's the key, go
Speaker 1: take a look. But I have a right to my privacy.
Speaker 1: I covet my privacy, So I said no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. I had to sit there. Then they handcuffed me.
Speaker 1: It took an hour before one of the superior officers
Speaker 1: said you gotta let him go, you know, but I
Speaker 1: could have got out of there in five minutes, right Reggie,
Speaker 1: I would have been gone. No one was scratched out. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's a complete legit gun. But the point is I
Speaker 1: could have been at it in five minutes. Here's the key,
Speaker 1: go check it out. But I'd rather exercise my rights,
Speaker 1: maintain my privacy, and deal with it for an hour,
Speaker 1: hour and a half get handcuffed for thirty minutes. And
Speaker 1: you know, how many of us know that, how many
Speaker 1: of us know our rights. That's why you really getting
Speaker 1: funked out there on the streets because we don't know
Speaker 1: our rights, and the police know that. I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: one right across a good offer you did, and let
Speaker 1: me just tell you why. That's all he had to do,
Speaker 1: was saying, as he was approaching your car, he saw
Speaker 1: you placing the gun inside of the log box and
Speaker 1: locked there. Well, he immediately figured out, oh, this is
Speaker 1: a professor from cal State Long Beach. This guy's as
Speaker 1: a professional. He's not just no chump off the streets.
Speaker 1: In fact, when I opened up my glove box, he said,
Speaker 1: that box of bullets in your in your glove compartment
Speaker 1: is probable cause I said no, it's not. Because he
Speaker 1: wanted to really go in there. His partner said, let's
Speaker 1: get the bolt cutters. Let's let's call in the bolt
Speaker 1: cutters and break that thing open. I said, y'all, do
Speaker 1: what you gotta do, but I'm not freely giving you
Speaker 1: the key so you can go search my gun. I
Speaker 1: have no no criminal record, gun is registered. Do what
Speaker 1: you'll want to do. And you know what that gun
Speaker 1: was in the front seat. They could arrestue you because
Speaker 1: they call it. It's called arm reach. Arms reach from
Speaker 1: you know, just saying that the most people because just
Speaker 1: because you don't have a you know, the bullets in there,
Speaker 1: but all of that's an arm reach is because still
Speaker 1: consider loaded. That's but that's Jay's point that we don't
Speaker 1: you know, most people don't know that, you know, and
Speaker 1: I don't think it being in the front seat is illegal.
Speaker 1: It's still like unloaded, and it's and the bullets. But
Speaker 1: the point was, because the bullets is an arms reach
Speaker 1: in the glove compartment. Can you give me and the viewers,
Speaker 1: the people that's listening one low that we all shouldn't know.
Speaker 1: Here's one that I think everyone should exercise. You never
Speaker 1: have to show your I D to a law enforcement
Speaker 1: officer unless you're driving a motor vehicle, if you're a pedestrian,
Speaker 1: if you're walking through the mall, if you're sitting in
Speaker 1: the park. You never have to show an i D.
Speaker 1: Only if you're driving a car or a motorcycle or
Speaker 1: a motor vehicle. And you you know the law that
Speaker 1: says that you must have if you're eighteen years of
Speaker 1: eight that you must have a California or an I D.
Speaker 1: You don't have to show your I D. But you
Speaker 1: have to get to it. But did you know you're
Speaker 1: supposed to have Yeah, when you turn eighteen, you're supposed
Speaker 1: to go to the d m V and get your
Speaker 1: I d's. And I believe that's before UM so that
Speaker 1: you can get drafted in case there's a war and
Speaker 1: everyone knows who you know. It's not federal laws to
Speaker 1: state law. I know, but I think it's just like um, well,
Speaker 1: it's kind of not it's a federal it's not federal,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of federals. Like alcohol, the Feds made
Speaker 1: every state make it twenty one. Some states were eighteen seventeen.
Speaker 1: Even though it's not federal, it is a federal law.
Speaker 1: The drinking is twenty one and over, but you don't
Speaker 1: have to show your i D to a police. I
Speaker 1: was just saying that I would just jump back onto
Speaker 1: by saying that you most people don't know that. You
Speaker 1: think you're supposed to have that and try to learn
Speaker 1: that law. And then the police stopped. But please, but
Speaker 1: you don't become calm combat. But that can create a
Speaker 1: com combative situation where I tell an officer I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not showing you my i D. Why can't the
Speaker 1: officers just say, all right, I'll respect you're right. It's
Speaker 1: never that easy. It's never that easy. What are you
Speaker 1: hiding from me? Are you? Are you on the run?
Speaker 1: You got warrants? Are you a criminal? I mean, have
Speaker 1: I committed a crime? No, you're just sitting in the
Speaker 1: park my business? YEA. Just better hope I got damn
Speaker 1: camera or something got me committing crime. This is all
Speaker 1: I hear to say. And no, I mean you can
Speaker 1: video tape anywhere, you can stand anywhere. You won't. But
Speaker 1: they come with some some different ship and then they
Speaker 1: try to take that law from you. If you ain't
Speaker 1: sharp on your game, they're gonna bull those right over
Speaker 1: your rights. I used to open carry here in California.
Speaker 1: It became illegal, like in two thousand thirteen or fourteen.
Speaker 1: I'll be sitting in the Starbucks patio with my straps.
Speaker 1: Let me let me clarify that open carry a loaded
Speaker 1: I don't know. Open carry means it's not loaded, you
Speaker 1: have your you have a magazine on the other side.
Speaker 1: Because you know who who caused that problem for the
Speaker 1: loaded firearm of being a problem? What's that? The Black
Speaker 1: Panther Party? Oh yeah, yeah, well that was um yeah
Speaker 1: that Ronald Reagan changed the laws that didn't allow them
Speaker 1: to be armed. I mean they walked right into em
Speaker 1: in the gun. Yeah, but what they were doing at
Speaker 1: that time was legal, the shotguns and they were at
Speaker 1: the Capitol. But open carry was legal in California, meaning
Speaker 1: you can carry your gun as long as it's not loaded.
Speaker 1: You can have your bullets hosted on the opposite side.
Speaker 1: They made that illegal in two thousand fourteen. But I
Speaker 1: used to open carry, walked through the market, Um, go
Speaker 1: to Starbucks, and people would call the police, this guy's
Speaker 1: walking around here with a gun, and they would pull
Speaker 1: up army. After a while they knew who I was.
Speaker 1: But you gotta let them. You put your hands up.
Speaker 1: They want to go check it, they can check it
Speaker 1: they want, they just want to make sure it's not loaded. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but then they made it illegal, you know, so I
Speaker 1: would I used to tell people all the time, Hey,
Speaker 1: it's you can open carry in the state of California,
Speaker 1: not just Texas, but you can open carry in the
Speaker 1: state of Texas right now. Unfortunately, well fortunately for some people.
Speaker 1: But I feel like unfortunately they're trying to infringe on
Speaker 1: our right, our gun rights, and they made it illegal
Speaker 1: just like four or five years ago. They gotta do
Speaker 1: something about the training and know these people with guns,
Speaker 1: because it was a situation where this white girls just
Speaker 1: uh tastdown is uh a guy at a hit and
Speaker 1: run doing a hit and run and shout and killed
Speaker 1: him Oklahoma. I think it was the state of Oklahoma
Speaker 1: where these people with the you know, with the rights
Speaker 1: to carry guns and stuff, is um, you gotta because
Speaker 1: there's no mandate that you have to go practice shooting
Speaker 1: your gun. They need to train winter use now how
Speaker 1: to use win because this point of on girl going on,
Speaker 1: she's gonna go to jail for a long time. I
Speaker 1: think that she was doing the right thing. Well, question'll
Speaker 1: off the topics topics which you heard anything about the
Speaker 1: truth is going on right now, is it? I know
Speaker 1: that it's been it's been quiet in certain areas in
Speaker 1: l in l A. But in other areas there was
Speaker 1: just a shooting yesterday, Um in the forties neighborhood. There
Speaker 1: was a shooting yesterday in forties crip neighborhood for people,
Speaker 1: And that's the misconception. It was just certain areas where
Speaker 1: the truths was on up anyway, right, Well, I don't
Speaker 1: know what it was, but the people that were at
Speaker 1: that march were mostly from the west side, west side
Speaker 1: hoods in Hay Trade sixties. Uh, there were some inglewood
Speaker 1: families there, there were some rolling forties there, there were
Speaker 1: people from the east side, but it was when you
Speaker 1: looked at the crowd, it was mostly West side crips
Speaker 1: and that was that was a good thing. But I
Speaker 1: don't know any anytime you got brothers not killing each other,
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. So I don't know. We'll we'll
Speaker 1: come back to that question, um next week. You should
Speaker 1: keep an update on show everybody and know because to me,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like faded away. You don't hear no
Speaker 1: more about NIPCI no more. You don't hear no more
Speaker 1: about the truth. So I mean if people not interested
Speaker 1: in knowing what was really going on with that situation
Speaker 1: on well, I like to say law enforcement want to
Speaker 1: keep it going so they can stay jobs. He don't
Speaker 1: know they can make money out d U I r
Speaker 1: s and get me a sign and go go, go
Speaker 1: get the d U I r s domestic violence, putting
Speaker 1: their kids through college right now. Man, But they're doing
Speaker 1: somewhere else writing tickets. They they just get reassigned. If
Speaker 1: there's a reduction in crime, they get reassigned. Okay, they'll
Speaker 1: get me a signed. But can can the chief argue
Speaker 1: I want to hire more cops like they do all
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, because I got I had five traffic
Speaker 1: accidents involving d U I s. So I wanna set
Speaker 1: up some d U I uh. But we got less
Speaker 1: crime than there was ten years ago, So why do
Speaker 1: you need more cops? You know, it's just it doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense. I'm just trying to cops mainly done by
Speaker 1: by the amount of people that's in the area. You
Speaker 1: don't want to put all the white people unemployment. Next
Speaker 1: week we're talking about gipsy hustle. Next week because his lawyer,
Speaker 1: Christopher Darton, who was the prosecutor for the o J
Speaker 1: case back in the nineties. He quit, Yeah, he quit.
Speaker 1: I think it's back last I think he really took
Speaker 1: that case. You said that his family might have some money.
Speaker 1: I always said, I think he was doing a cloud chasing,
Speaker 1: and I really think that cloud his name out there
Speaker 1: and his cloud chasing backfires on him. All right, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that next week on the next episode of
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