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Speaker 1: basically was like, you know what they're gonna do because

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Speaker 1: you were nigga and I'm white. And he was like,

425
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Speaker 1: doing you're like she did the ship and then she

426
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Speaker 1: went in a full Meryl Street molle she started. Then

427
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Speaker 1: she started screaming by the end like like you would

428
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Speaker 1: have thought. And then he was like, my dog, I'm like,

429
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Speaker 1: if I couldn't see the ship with my own eyes,

430
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Speaker 1: I would have thought she was getting attacked. The brother

431
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,760
Speaker 1: was saying, it's still so I'm not for criminalizing everything

432
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,960
Speaker 1: and locking everybody up, but I will say that white

433
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,639
Speaker 1: people gotta learn that they can't weaponize that white against

434
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Speaker 1: black people. And that's what's happening when you should go

435
00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,199
Speaker 1: you know, What one dingy was so scary about that

436
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 1: video was it was like he had experience with that,

437
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,399
Speaker 1: like this wasn't his first time, right, he was like

438
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,560
Speaker 1: he just went on his phone real fast, like he

439
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 1: knew exactly what the dude and he's been he's been

440
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,920
Speaker 1: profiled like this before and that same bark, And what

441
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,440
Speaker 1: up about it is he's a Harvard graduate and the

442
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,200
Speaker 1: nigga is in Central Park or Memorial Day bird watching.

443
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 1: There's no safer Negro in America than the nigga bird

444
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,399
Speaker 1: watching or Central Park. I was burdening. I don't know.

445
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 1: I was just birding. If you're doing that and you're

446
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 1: still scared, that tell you how America is. And the

447
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 1: fact that he knows to pull out the camera that

448
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 1: tell you everything. What would happen if he was smoking

449
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 1: a hell in the park. But yeah, he wasn't from

450
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Speaker 1: the Hunts and likes what I'm saying. He was the

451
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Speaker 1: nigga that was doing a Harvard graduate Birdie. I never

452
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 1: heard of Birdie. I didn't know that she was a

453
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 1: word listen, I heard a burden. I watched the movie

454
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Speaker 1: called theod Year. It was the Big Year or something

455
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 1: like that with Jack Black, so I heard a burden.

456
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 1: I had no idea this is anywhere in New York City.

457
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 1: When I didn't know, I didn't know this red Robbins

458
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Speaker 1: and Wood. He wouldn't packers in New York. And since you, Paul,

459
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,360
Speaker 1: I had no idea name for us. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

460
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 1: that's crazy, man. So are you? Are you in New

461
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 1: York right now? Mark? No, I gotta I gotta spot

462
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, Okay. And as soon as that COVID hit

463
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 1: in March, I was I went back to philing me

464
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 1: in my crib in Philly. Man. I want to try

465
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 1: and get that ship New York too tight. I didn't

466
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 1: feeling I got space. How about to you my song?

467
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 1: Where you at? I'm actually just got back to New York,

468
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Speaker 1: like to it I had. I got back on Saturday

469
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Speaker 1: because we had a big much Saturday in the city.

470
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Speaker 1: Yesterday we did the Bronx much yesterday. I just kind

471
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Speaker 1: of relapped. So today I'm home schooling with my kids.

472
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Speaker 1: The reason why I asked is because I'm not so

473
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Speaker 1: familiar what's going on with the James Dolan story. I

474
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Speaker 1: know that he publicly I think he made a stay

475
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: eatman saying that he wasn't gonna make a statement, which

476
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 1: is all he told He's not not made a statement.

477
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: He he told his staff that he wasn't gonna make

478
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Speaker 1: a statement. And I think it piste off a lot.

479
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 1: Are you guys you know James donlan the Knicks on?

480
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Speaker 1: Are you guys are I mean here about that? He made?

481
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: What was this? Um? Yeah, you're not enough familiar Mark?

482
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Speaker 1: I know? Yeah, okay, yeah. First of all, as a

483
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Speaker 1: Philadelphian right fun all New York sports, I just gotta

484
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Speaker 1: say that I put that out there. I didn't know.

485
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 1: I didn't know you was going there. And so James,

486
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: I I hate the Knicks for all kinds of reasons,

487
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: but I used to respect the Knicks. What James Dolan

488
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: has done on every level, He's just tear a part

489
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Speaker 1: of the team. Tell about the coach, tear a part

490
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Speaker 1: the culture, and the NBA has a culture right now

491
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Speaker 1: of resistance. People are speaking out. I'm talking to coach, coaches,

492
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: hit me up, off line, players at me about line like, yo,

493
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Speaker 1: how can I support? How can I do this? James

494
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Speaker 1: Dolan is from Carry and Charles Oakley out of Madison

495
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: Square Garden getting him arrested, all of that ship just

496
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Speaker 1: to no respect. And this is just another example. You

497
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 1: could just say I support black lives Saying black lives

498
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: matter shouldn't be controversial, but that's what you gotta say.

499
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Speaker 1: Black lives matter. I support the resistance, I support the movement,

500
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 1: I want justice. You can say some basics like I

501
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: support justice. The fact that he won't it's not about

502
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 1: his personal opinion. It's a signal to certain kinds of

503
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,479
Speaker 1: other people. Right when you say I'm not gonna make

504
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: a statement, you're signaling to those white people with the

505
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: red hats on that that that you still got their back,

506
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: or you you at least still respect their perspective. And

507
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: that's the problem. And he's so worried about them that

508
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna alienate the players, and and it supports you

509
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: design for a minute, that's just not how you build community.

510
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: That's not how you manage a team. But even it's

511
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: from the NBA level. Another reason people don't want to

512
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: go to the next because of the ownership, Because you

513
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: got a league that's all black and owners some owners

514
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 1: that won't stand up. In the NFL is ten times

515
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: worse than that you got. Elite is seventy eight percent black,

516
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: and the owners won't stand with them. That's the problem, right,

517
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: what what? What did you see? The football like mixtape

518
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: thing that the football players did? And then all of

519
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: a sudden after that, Um rober cadell Um actually said

520
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: it was almost like he was trying to admit that

521
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: he was wrong. But I thought Roger Goodell was a

522
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: bit since said, how did you guys feel when you

523
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: see rogic adell? I think for me, you know, it's

524
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: just like the whole thing with Jordan's people, like, oh,

525
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: Jordan never said nothing for years and now he's saying something.

526
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: But you know he's just jumping in. It's like, what

527
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: do we want? Is I would go to bring people around?

528
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: Are we trying to get the people that don't get

529
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: it to get it? To say, Okay, I made a mistake,

530
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: I've done this right, Like what is it? I would go?

531
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Speaker 1: So for me, Roger Goodell, maybe y'all say it's too little,

532
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: too late, but we are at a moment that shifting

533
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: the parallel. Like I said, yesterday, three people that I

534
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: know they were saying all lives matter called me crying,

535
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 1: telling my man, I get it now, Black lives matter,

536
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: My my, my wife's sister's husband, who's a white guy

537
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: and he's a good friend of mine, Like he never

538
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: been vocal about anything these things. He's been on the

539
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: phone crying. He's calling her crying like we gotta do

540
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: more about this, and what do we have to do

541
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: with how can I use my privilege? I'm having conversations

542
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: with people they're under following their friends on Instagram that's

543
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: saying negative stuff like it's there's a shift. So for me,

544
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell is he started to come around, I think,

545
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: And that's why I didn't want to rush to the

546
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: situation with Jay. I don't I have enough respect for

547
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: Jay that he's not gonna constantly deal and sit in

548
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: the face with somebody that he's not building with that

549
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: he don't see some level of something that al right,

550
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: this man could be pushed here to it's gonna get

551
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: some little respect. I didn't think he was just gonna

552
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: completely compromise his legacy to sit at the table with

553
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: a think that wasn't gonna come around at all. So

554
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: I believe that these are conversations he'd probably been having

555
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: with him, like yo, you don't understand what's going on,

556
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: and it starts the first starts to work you know,

557
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: just like me, me being around um Robert Kraft and

558
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: all these dudes and and and their mindesty just started

559
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: the change. They didn't understand certain things. So we don't

560
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: know where his heart is. That's for him to tell,

561
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying it's a it's a step in

562
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: the right direction, man, because when he makes that statement,

563
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: he creates a since he creates the culture to change

564
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: other see. I feel that, And I'll take that with

565
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: Jay because I think Jay has good intention. And Jay

566
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: has shown at least that he's willing to put his

567
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: money where his mouth is and fight for us. So

568
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: I give you, I would give Jad the benefit of

569
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: the doubt more than I would Roger Goodell. I think

570
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: Jay understands though, I think you right. Jay understands hit

571
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: the power his power in that room. But like he said,

572
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: I'll show you how to move in the room. For

573
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: the vultures, they still voters, and their intention is never

574
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Speaker 1: to do anything but make money. And I looked at

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00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: the Goodell statement. I looked at it like ten times,

576
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: and it's like some some like some mind trick they

577
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: do on you, right, because the statement is the statement

578
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: was good for business because the league is known as

579
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: being racist, so they had to say something so it's

580
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: good for business. But he didn't actually say anything. I'm

581
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: gonna read you just a little part of this ship, right, um,

582
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: he said, what do I got to join in front

583
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: of me? I don't, but he's I pulled up the

584
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: wrong joint. But basically, if you, if you, if you

585
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,959
Speaker 1: look at the if you look at the statement, he

586
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: didn't actually say anything about He didn't use the word violence,

587
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Speaker 1: he didn't use the word race. He said, you know,

588
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for the unfortunate deaths of Amar Arebrey. That

589
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: he didn't say they got killed. He didn't say the

590
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: word police. He didn't say we're race. He didn't say

591
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: we're racism. He didn't say they were white, Suprise. So

592
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: if you read this statement, you could have thought mar

593
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: are Brey and George Floyd slipped on a banana pill

594
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: or got hit by a truck. He didn't say murder,

595
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: he didn't say killed. He didn't say how they died.

596
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: He didn't say so he made the statement, which I

597
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: agree with my song like that's that's a hell of

598
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: a piece of progress, right because ten years ago they

599
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't said ship. But and that pressure helps, so we

600
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: gotta keep the pressure on them. But it's such a

601
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: low bar now. It's like, yo, just they just acknowledge

602
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: that they basic said something happened, it was bad, We're sorry,

603
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: we'll do more. Right. They didn't say what, who? What? Where? Why?

604
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: They say how they're gonna make it better, and they

605
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: damn sure ain't trying to rehire Colin Kaepernick. So for me,

606
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: until the NFL does more, it seems to me like

607
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: an empty gesture. Right. I think I think I get

608
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: you because it's people like Papovich who are who are

609
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: very you get it like he gets it. He calls

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00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: it out, you don't play no games. It's real, it's

611
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: real simple for him, you know what I'm saying. They're

612
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: just for me. I understand that people move at a

613
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: different pace. Man. It's just like it's like being in

614
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: the streets right and being in the hood right. So

615
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: when I go through and I deal with certain kids

616
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: and people be tearing them up and all that, I

617
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: understand the process is gonna take to for them to

618
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: get a certain place. You understand saying, like these people

619
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: they you like, you know the most of especially these billionaires.

620
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: They are etched in racism so much that they can't

621
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: even identify with it. So when you actually when they

622
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: actually say something like this, you realize that you click something.

623
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: So now okay, I got you now, and now I

624
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,719
Speaker 1: can just keep feeding you a little more. And then

625
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: that's a process, like I understand this. This man, his

626
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: whole legacy and empire and everything was built on white supremacy.

627
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: Like they so far they got they got influenza, you know,

628
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: and like they kill people and they plead influenza like

629
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: that that they thought nothing was gonna happen to him.

630
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: Like this is the mindset most of them. So when

631
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: they still coming around a little bit, I don't I

632
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: take it with a bring the salt, but I understand

633
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: the progress and understand the moment that because you know

634
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: why I liked it with um uh the NBA when

635
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: we found out about Donald steriling, you know what I'm saying,

636
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: and when it was when it was, when it was like, um,

637
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: I think that was like the first mark where we

638
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 1: was like, wow, people are starting to listen, people are

639
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: starting to get it that, you know, we although I

640
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: don't look at them as they work for them, even

641
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: though they do kind of work for them. I hate

642
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: when they called the guy the owner, but I mean,

643
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: obviously that's what it is. Um. But when they were

644
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: acted and they acted, I think his name Adam I forgot.

645
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: I think he did. I think he did an excellent

646
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: job by seeing how uncomfortable not just the players was,

647
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: but the fans and everybody. And then it was about

648
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: I think it's almost also who he talked about, like

649
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know anybody have beefing Magic Johnson, like you

650
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like so like I was like

651
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: for real magic. I love magic, and it there was

652
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: like word like like him like you know what I mean?

653
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: So like what did you think about that? You think

654
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: that that that that handle that was handled that that's

655
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: how you do it. It's again, it's like the system

656
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: doesn't work and you have to leverage your power to

657
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,239
Speaker 1: make it work or to order break it down. The

658
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: NBA players said, look, we had enough. Donald Startling was

659
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: doing that shift for a year. He used to take

660
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: women and his and friends into the NBA locker room,

661
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: into the shower and and show him the players that

662
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: there was animals at the zoo. So I saw that.

663
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: I saw the black Board documentary ship you know what

664
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, so it was years of that and

665
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: he was he was racist in his private life in

666
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: terms of uh, in terms of real estate and house

667
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: and just like Donald Trump was. So there's a whole

668
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: legacy mere racist. It took decades for them to say enough.

669
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: But where the players had the power was they could

670
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: walk off the court. They could say, none of this

671
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: works without us. You just got to not be scared

672
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: of losing the check. You gotta be not scared of fighting.

673
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: If you do that, you can win. They got on

674
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: the by there and they didn't quick. What what happens

675
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: if the NBA, you know, they're trying to uh we

676
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: convene to seed the season. They want to go to

677
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: the Lando or Disney World. What happens if all the

678
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: NBA players that's everyone's not gone right, The just you know,

679
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: NIX is not even thought of, right, you know what

680
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So everyone's not going right. But what it

681
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: happens if these athletes really got together and said, you

682
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: know what, until we get rid of this racist rhetoric,

683
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: until we get you know, our people staying with us,

684
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: we're not playing. What would happen to the system. It

685
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: would shift down. It was. It was for just what

686
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, if we understand our problem, Chris Paul,

687
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: all of them got together and said, all the black

688
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: players unite, and it's gonna make the white brothers unite anyway,

689
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: because they're they're the minority there. What would happen if

690
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: you say, I'm sorry to cut you off, gay, you know,

691
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: the NBA would be finished or they would have to

692
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: completely reconstruct to fit whatever their needs. Or it's just

693
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: like we were saying, people were saying about the h

694
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: b c US, Like if the black players start saying, yo,

695
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: go to the h b c US, we would completely

696
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: shift the whole economy to make system. You understand, but

697
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: we we don't utilize our power because we've been taught

698
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: we don't have it. That's the fastest way not to

699
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: utilize your probably is to think you don't happen. And

700
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: that's what's happened with us, Like we don't sit there

701
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: and realize I have conversation with people all the time,

702
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: you know about you know, you got Poberty with you.

703
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: I can't They said, who's date you? You? You have

704
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: to you have to you understand the power you are

705
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: I say this all the time. And we had le

706
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: Braun and we had Oprah, we had probably tenative the

707
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: most powerful black people in the world, and said at

708
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 1: one table in the side of you, we're gonna make

709
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: this is this is how it's going. They because we

710
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: dictate culture, period, like we dictate everything culturally. We did

711
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: so they control the media, but we control the culture.

712
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: And once you control the culture, you can take the

713
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: media because the media the culture. The media is built

714
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: on the culture. So once you say you know, this

715
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: is where we're going and we all left Instagram and

716
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: top of them saying you we're gonna all of us

717
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: is going over here, and you own that it's gonna shire.

718
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: We just don't understand that. And we never utilize that power.

719
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: We've never done that, you know. So if they left,

720
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: they decided they could run the NBA. Literally run the NBA.

721
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: They always don't have nothing, Just like I think Lebron

722
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: is that smart to do it, like like as Oppost,

723
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: I think other athletes in the past wasn't that smart

724
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: as well. But I think Lebron is that smart, that rich,

725
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: and that he's that articulate. Like with him and Chris Paul,

726
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: there's certain people who understand what's going on. There's certain

727
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: people who who who understand you know what I mean,

728
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: like as opposed to like, you know, they could do

729
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: it articulate. It can be an NBA takeover without it

730
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: being like a takeover where it's hostile. I think they

731
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: would really come and make change and get people that is,

732
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: you know, even accused of being racist the funk out

733
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: of this so everyone can play the game, you know

734
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: what I mean, Because just even that word owner always

735
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: bothered me, Like and that's why the NBA moved to

736
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: a new word, right, because they were like we were

737
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: not they used I think it's governors now that they

738
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: don't they don't let Yeah, because there was this ownership

739
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: ain't working. The NFL still with it, but they said no.

740
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: But the problem in the past has been has always

741
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: been courageous voices that stood up and said this ship

742
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: is wrong. But you gotta be in a position of power.

743
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: That's why Lebron is so important, because Lebron is the

744
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: best player in the world. He's the most influential player

745
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: in the world. He's the richest dude in the league.

746
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: He could walk away tomorrow and never need another dollar

747
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: and he's still standing up. Craig Hodges did the same

748
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: ship in ninety four. The problem is Craig Hodges was

749
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: on the bulls and Craig went up to Michael Jordan

750
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: and Magic Johnson before the NBA Finals and said, look, uh,

751
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: we need we need more owners, black owners. We need

752
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: more black players who were in control of it. That's

753
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: the need we need. We need to create our own ship.

754
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: And what happened was Michael Jordan Magic was like, NA,

755
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: we're not ready for that yet. Craig Hodges went to

756
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: the White House after after they won the NBA Championship,

757
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: gave George Bush a letter saying, here's what's wrong with

758
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: Black America. Here's what you need to do to fix it.

759
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: They got He went up there with a dashiki on

760
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: best shooting the NBA one, the reigning three point champion.

761
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: They got him out of that. He didn't played another

762
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: game in the NBA. And if Michael Jorton does that,

763
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: they can't get rid of Michael. They can get rid

764
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: of Greg Hodges didn't get rid of my hood. I'll

765
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: do right. So the key is for the best players

766
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: in the league to stand strong and stand tall, and

767
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 1: then the other players will come with them whatever Lebron

768
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: do the rest of them, dude. And that's why was

769
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: standing up so much. Welcome buck Be was welcome. What

770
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: up my sign? How you doing? King? I'm good man,

771
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm just now you know, I've left the service about

772
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: an hour ago. My granddaughter broke that too, so we

773
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: had to go ahead and get it and take her

774
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: to the to the dentist. But man, like, we should

775
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: all go home the way they sent that boy home

776
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: the day like for real. They just took the casket

777
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: out of the out of the hearse and put it

778
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 1: in the horse drawn carriage and they taking them harsh

779
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: drawn carriage um to the to his final resting place. Wow, yes,

780
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: Mike is the brother was from Houston. Correct, Yes, sir,

781
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. Was saying to the service. Oh,

782
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: man like unity, you know what I'm saying? Justice? Um,

783
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: you know, just really here's the thing, right, we spent

784
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,479
Speaker 1: over the last two weeks talking about George Floyd's death.

785
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: Right today they talked about his life. That's a beautiful thing.

786
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: You know that his friends, that his family that had

787
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: people from from his hood from third ward to Cuney Holmes,

788
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: and they were just lifting him up man, you know

789
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, giving him his proper respects, remembering him

790
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: in the real way as a human being. That like

791
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: a video clip on TV, you know. Um, but definitely

792
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: people asking for justice, you know, asking for police reform.

793
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: The mayor announced that he was signing an executive order

794
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: to outlaw the choke ode and the City of Houston,

795
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: UM to get fair warning before discharging their firearm. Just

796
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: the whole way of that officers are allowed to engage

797
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: in the City of Houston. UM. A couple of different things,

798
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, to compress. Black Caucus attended led by a

799
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: congress Woman bass Um Sheila Jackson Lee uh state brap

800
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: Um Congressman Al Green another state breath Joe Biden gave

801
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: a very very heartfelt message via video. He was actually

802
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: in town and met with the family yesterday, but he

803
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: didn't want to attend the funeral to draw too much

804
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: attention away from what was going on. UM. But one

805
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: of the best speakers today I have to say was

806
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: there was a white pastor there from South Maine Baptist. Yeah,

807
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: with the pastor of South Maine Baptist Church in Houston,

808
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: basically saying that you know, white churches that professed to

809
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: be houses of God, you know, and claim to love

810
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: all God's children got to do a better job when

811
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: it comes to their relations with black people and helping

812
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: black people standing for that, but their causes, you know

813
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like, I was very very happy to

814
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: hear that, you know, and he was like, you know,

815
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: he wanted to be he said on his st age's

816
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: like I wonder if if I'm supposed to say something,

817
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: just shut up and listen. And I'm glad y'all at

818
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: a white man speak today. But he was very you know,

819
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 1: he was very very real about you know, white privilege

820
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: and white accountability right now and standing with everybody. Especially

821
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: if you're a white person that claimed to be a

822
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: Christian and you know all Christians and children of God,

823
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: and you're supposed to you claim to love all of

824
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: God's children, then why aren't you doing the right thing

825
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: and standing with black people right now? You know? All right,

826
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: that's what we need white people to do, right there.

827
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, sorry about that, you're about that? Oh good?

828
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: So bun um. I just see footage of I believe

829
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: it's another police killing out in Houston this time and

830
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: they were saying the same exact thing. You know, I

831
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: can't breathe. I can't breathe. Yeah, new footage of an

832
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: arrest that the footage was just released, and it's it's insane, man, Like,

833
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, we should We're not supposed to keep hearing

834
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: this same thing. Right, it's these levels of engagement and

835
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: levels of escalation that police officers have been able to

836
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: have with people of color in this country with impunity.

837
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: You know, my thing is, you know, when we do

838
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: this police reform, when we ask for these bills, I

839
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: would ask for stiffer penalties for police that commit crimes

840
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: while they duey and in uniform. You know, police are

841
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: allowed a certain level of authority, right, They're allowed to

842
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: patrol your streets with authority. They're allowed to carry a

843
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: handgun in the streets of America, and because of that,

844
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: we should hold them even more accountable. Like we regular citizens.

845
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 1: We don't get the level of authority that police getting.

846
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: So when we commit an assault, right, we get X

847
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: amount of time. My son, I know you feel me

848
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: on this. That's that's my whole point. That's my whole point.

849
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like we should, we're not

850
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: supposed to get the same We don't have the same

851
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: level of authority that police have. We're not held to

852
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: the same standard in all communities as police are. So

853
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 1: when they violate our trust and break the law while

854
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: we're in the uniform, they should be held to stiffer penalties.

855
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: And I think that if you know, if they knew

856
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: the kind of time they was looking at, they probably

857
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: think twice about some of the ship that they're doing.

858
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: You know. UM, I also see certain cities in America

859
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: have third party activation of the body camp. I think

860
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: every police department in America should have third party activation.

861
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: I think as soon as UM this patch puts out

862
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: a call and offers a response to that call, that

863
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: office camera officers camera should immediately be turned on the

864
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,479
Speaker 1: minute he tells this past he's going out on that call.

865
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: He shouldn't have He shouldn't have to say as to

866
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: whether or not or if all that his camera is

867
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: on that ship should be automatic. Take it out of

868
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: the police's hand, you know what I'm saying. Off And

869
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: if we don't get a turn off security cameras when

870
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: we're doing nothing nowhere now, they need to be into

871
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: the same scrutiny, if not more scrutiny in America. You

872
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, there just needs to be a

873
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: totally different level of accountability period. And what you guys

874
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: think about Arizona where they making it illegal or they're

875
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: actually charging people for like you know, if you if

876
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: you if you film the police, isn't that like that's

877
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: like that's like it's damn they're saying you can hang

878
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: somebody right Well, that that's that's the problem, right. The

879
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: police are resistant accountability at all kinds. That's why a

880
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: lot of people didn't like the body cameras. They wanted

881
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: the police to be seen, but they were worried one

882
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: that would just done more money into police department, which

883
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: when we're trying to defund them, and that the police

884
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: would just turn the cameras off strategically when they wanted to.

885
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: But you got if you're gonna have the camera, it

886
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: got to be on at all times and people should

887
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: be able to film the police. We have cop watch

888
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: programs in New York, we have cop Watch programs in

889
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: Philly designed to make sure that the police get surveiled

890
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 1: just as much as they surveil us. And the fact

891
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: that they're making it illegal. Tells you that the police

892
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: are scared right now, the police are running scared because

893
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: you don't want to be accountable. When we started marching

894
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: into pretty Singapore, purpose and one of the things we

895
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: talked about what the billion review boards. The police should

896
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: not be policing themselves. We talked about cameras, the police

897
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: should be should be filmed at all times, through body

898
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: cameras and through outside entities. And the police have resisted

899
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: that they'll they'll give you. They'll give they'll give up

900
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: three officers and get get them charged that they did

901
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. They'll give up an officer every once in

902
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: a while. But what they'll never give up is account

903
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: is their ability to be autonomous, the ability to govern themselves,

904
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: and the ability to to watch and judge themselves. I mean,

905
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: think about how crazy it is for the police to

906
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: be able to do their own internal investigations of police brutality.

907
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: That that's like if if you if your girl accused

908
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: you of cheating and you say no, no, no, I

909
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: could prove I didn't just ask my homie, right, It's like,

910
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: of course, what are you gonna say? Right, It's the

911
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: same thing the police investigate themselves. When you find a

912
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: complaint in Philadelphia, for example, against the police, the first

913
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: thing the police do is they take your story. Then

914
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: they show your story to the officer and they let

915
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: the officer read your story. And then after the officer

916
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: read your story, the officer can then respond to what

917
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: you said, so he can just read you what you said,

918
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: write something against This is what happened to me and

919
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: Philly when I fought him play ten years ago. So

920
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. So we need to get rid

921
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: of laws to make it legal to film cops. We

922
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: need to get rid of laws that that allowed that

923
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: that allowed of police not to not to keep the

924
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: savanllance cameras on at all times. And we need to

925
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: build civilian oversight of police in every single city around America.

926
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: There we should be no city where outside board of

927
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: citizens doesn't get to judge police when they when they

928
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: go outside the lines. But Mark, Mark, you got to

929
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: get those We got to give those in dependent community

930
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: review boys subpoena power. Yes, that's the key. That's the

931
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: key thing about that, right, Like they need to be

932
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: able to have subpoena power so that they can request video,

933
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: they can request text, emails and everything and that that

934
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: goes with the case so that they can say, okay,

935
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: like think of the Russian pole, right, Like when Adams

936
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: Shire and everybody went in and they reviewed the evidence,

937
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: They're like, look, I just left I at this meeting.

938
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: I saw the text, I saw the emails. I listened

939
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: to phone call. It was some FUNX ship going on.

940
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: Excuse me, Taylor, I'm sorry it was it was some

941
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: mess going I got my grand baby at the coffe

942
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But like, something wrong happen

943
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: and we need to investigate this. We need to bring charges,

944
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: and we need people to be held accounter. You know

945
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, what's going on in Tucson right now,

946
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 1: it's simply a reflection of the people that they elected

947
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: to go in because that was the city council vote

948
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: that makes that outlaws. Say the black people, what does

949
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: that say the black people? I said, don't go to

950
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: Tucson words, don't go to Tuson. Tell me don't go

951
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: to Tucson because if the cops doing something and me

952
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be no proof. And look, I'm in I'm

953
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: in Houston, right So like like with these Carrings that

954
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: call in and say you have an encounter with Carring.

955
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: You had accounter with Cameron, right, you had the accounter

956
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: with Yeah, yeah, water Burn, we had a problem with

957
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: a Caren. You know what I'm saying. And so here's

958
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: what here's what I'm finding out right from lawyers that

959
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: I've talked a sorry about that, from from attorneys that

960
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: I've talked to in the court of law, those those

961
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: phone calls are missible, right, So it's called it's called

962
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: hysterical something I can't the name is missing. Is I'm

963
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: missing a name right now? But literally, a person makes

964
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: a phone call now one one right, zaekal and frantic,

965
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this black man is doing something to me.

966
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: This black man is attacking me. He's right at me.

967
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: The police come, they arrestue, they give you a case,

968
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: you go to court. That phone call is admissible and

969
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: that becomes the only record of any evidence that gets

970
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: put into your case. So just imagine how many of

971
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: these Karen's have already locked up people in America. It's

972
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: based on phone call. Like I Matil died from a Karen.

973
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: Let's not remember you know what I'm saying, who on

974
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: her deathbed recanted everything. But if it been dead, you

975
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: got to live a full life. So what do we do?

976
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: So and then when you look, I watched it. Did

977
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: you see what happened in Buffalo when they pushed the

978
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: old man to the ground? But yes, yes, and Trump's

979
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: tweet and Trump's tweets is another thing. But just to

980
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: see that that came out same way that charge for this,

981
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: they were clapping for them, like this shows you the

982
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: mind state, Like how did you look and watch some

983
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: better happened in Philly too. It happened in Philly to

984
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: the guy got charged and they clapped form when you

985
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: you kind of understand the mind state, like these people

986
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: are uncomfortable like this. I was so hurt watching that

987
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: old man hit the ground and watching blood leaking on

988
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: his head and they just let the like that that

989
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,959
Speaker 1: was so like it's not. But they have a level

990
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: of in humanity within the police system instrum that I

991
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: can't even identify with, Like I can't even identify with

992
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: that level of humanity in humanity they have right now

993
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: because they really think that ship is okay. And that's

994
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: why we need to abolish the police. That's why I'm

995
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: past reforming the police. We need to get rid of

996
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: the police. I've been a prison abolition as the police

997
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: and abolitions for a long time, and there was a

998
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: moment when I would say that and people are look

999
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: at me like I was crazy. Now I think people

1000
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: realize that policing is the problem. Our long term vision

1001
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: has to be to live in communities without police. And

1002
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: people say, what would that look like? It looks like

1003
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: the suburb, it looks like every neighborhood outside of the hood.

1004
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: It's possible to have a world with our police. What

1005
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: that means is we need to defunct, take the money

1006
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: that we're putting in police forces and invest in exactly

1007
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: because half the ship police come out for we don't

1008
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: need them for right When When? When When when you

1009
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: get when your people get a drug overdose, you don't

1010
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: need the police there, right, You need a doctor. Right when?

1011
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: When When when there's somebody having an argument on the

1012
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 1: street that's not physical, you need conflict resolution. You don't

1013
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: need the police. When when somebody's drunk and passed out

1014
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: at night, you don't need the police. When the kids,

1015
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, there's so many things with kid cut school.

1016
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: You don't need the police when somebody getting fighting school.

1017
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: You don't need the police. There's all these things that

1018
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: we use the police for that don't need. So let's

1019
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: take that money out of the police and put it

1020
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: to people who actually have skills like psychology, I mean

1021
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: specific skills like psychologists, doctors, social workers. Um, if you

1022
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: if we do that, then we won't have so many instances.

1023
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: Half the time Black people don't call the police is

1024
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: not because we don't need help. It's because we know

1025
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: that whatever the police are gonna do when they get

1026
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: there is worse than the than than the thing we're

1027
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: dealing with in that moment. So you're like, fucking, I

1028
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: just I just deal with it myself. So Mark, yeah,

1029
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, let me just play devil's advocate right now.

1030
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: There's no level police reform that you would be comfortable

1031
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: with right now. I'm comfortable with reform as long as

1032
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't operate against the idea that policing is the problem. So,

1033
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: for example, I'm okay with about I'm not against the

1034
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: body camera per se. I'm just I just don't like

1035
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 1: the fact that the money that goes into body cameras

1036
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: isn't really being used for body cameras, is being used

1037
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: to to to support the police more broadly. But yes,

1038
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm like a Civilian Review board is UM is a reform,

1039
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: but it's a reform that Hill continues to frame police

1040
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: as the problem. I'm okay with UM. What I'm not

1041
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: okay with is giving programs with like police and community

1042
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 1: to make us think that if the police just knew

1043
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: us better, if they were just nicer, that that would

1044
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: solve the problem. So I say to the prison reform,

1045
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm not against prison reforms, like for example, giving people

1046
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: condoms in prison is something that makes prison safer. Giving

1047
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: people um, getting rid of cash bail makes prisons make

1048
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: makes makes life better for folcus. They're not as we decarsory.

1049
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: But I don't want any kind of reform that makes

1050
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: us think that the current system is savable. That's all

1051
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I'm with reform, just not reform and

1052
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: making us think the system as it is can can't

1053
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: sustain itself. Right, here's a big problem that I have

1054
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: right now, Like as I get deeper and the under

1055
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: these to understand that these kind of interactions and the

1056
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: lack of punishment, lack of accountability for everything, and my

1057
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: side could probably speak to this more and more and

1058
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: more I hear about the power of police union. Right,

1059
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: that's the thing that I wanted before, right Like, and

1060
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know police union, police union, Ok, yeah,

1061
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: police unions. Right now, I understand the more that I

1062
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: talked about this, you know, I he keep hearing about

1063
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: how strong the police union lobby is and how much

1064
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: political power that they hold. I have a friend here

1065
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: in Houston, he's a state senator. Um. He tried to

1066
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: put a bill on the floor in two eleven that

1067
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: addressed everything that we're trying to have addressed now. And

1068
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: it didn't even make it out of committee, right like

1069
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: it it was something that didn't even make it didn't

1070
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: even make it to the floor of the state Senate,

1071
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: right and m and had the state capital and never

1072
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: even became something that went to a vote. And so

1073
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to figure out, like how do we

1074
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: offset the power of the police union, Like, should we

1075
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: have a lobbying group, um that throws money around politically

1076
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: to combat the power that the police union has we

1077
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: elected officials as well, or do we act for regulation

1078
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: uh police unions that America, you know, we we we

1079
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: need some different from the bottom on to me is

1080
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: that what they've create, they've created a structure that is

1081
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: pretty much untouchable. They made laws that you that pretty

1082
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: much they governed themselves that you can't hold them accountable,

1083
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: and they're not gonna hold a self account You know,

1084
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: we've created something. We have something inside of New York.

1085
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: It is in a lot of different states. I don't

1086
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: know if you'll have it out there in Houston, but

1087
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: we have something called the crisis Management System in which

1088
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people from our community. We got ex

1089
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: game people, We've got people who came home from prison.

1090
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: We've got people who will respect the credible messages within

1091
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: the community, who who conflict resolute with They're actually the

1092
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 1: one stopping the violence inside the New York Police comment

1093
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: is not stopping any boling. They actually created mobility and

1094
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: they have stopped. Yeah, we did an organization that I

1095
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: won't put firsthand. Um we have um G Match, we

1096
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: have um Man Up, and we have Life Camp. Erica Ford,

1097
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: Jan dukemc fatther and A. T. Mitchell. They were a team.

1098
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: Mitchell Erica Ford pretty much like the archnitect of the

1099
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: crisis management inside New York City. And what they did

1100
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: was brothers who were formally incarcerated, that were in games,

1101
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: they came home and they became the people that was

1102
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: had more credible message and who have more respect in

1103
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: the communities. Did any police officer add, So they knew

1104
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: the temperature of the who's going on, They knew who

1105
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: was beating before it started. They had respect for the

1106
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: the dudes have respect for them. So they're walking in

1107
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 1: the hood founding out your son such and I'm about

1108
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: to have beat. So they stopping the beat before it happened.

1109
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: They're not just coming arresting and throwing people in prison.

1110
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: So that's for me, is a way that a structure

1111
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: than the police, because the police are get coming to

1112
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: them to get the information. The police are trying to

1113
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: figure out how they're doing it. They got in one

1114
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: place in Browns Bill that I know was one of

1115
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: the highest murder capitals. They haven't had a feeling and

1116
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: about I think they had about two or three years

1117
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: in this in this catchment, you know what I'm saying.

1118
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: So these are things that I know I possible. So

1119
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: that's why I don't believe that we don't really need

1120
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: the police. You know, the police. There should be some

1121
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: structure that when it gets to a certain point where

1122
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: it's passed, you know what we could do within the hood.

1123
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: Then they come. But just like he said, just coming

1124
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: to the hood because somebody had a fight, or because

1125
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: the dog is in the tree, or just patrolling our neighborhoods,

1126
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 1: Like we don't we don't need that. Why don't nobody say,

1127
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: never say fun the fire department or the avalanche because

1128
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: they only come with a fire and they put the fire.

1129
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: They do one job exactly, they heightening and creating more

1130
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: dramas other commute. Imagine if the fire department came and

1131
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: just started setting other ship on fire, they put your

1132
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: house fire out, and just set your car on fire,

1133
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: or or punch your brother in the face, Like you'd

1134
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: be like the fire department too. But Bud made an

1135
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: important point about the police union, and I think you're right.

1136
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a question of getting the muscle to

1137
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 1: get the political muscle to get rid of police unions.

1138
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: There's a question that do we regulated, But the problem

1139
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: is regulating the police union. It is challenging for the

1140
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: same reason that the first thing is challenging, because to

1141
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: create laws to regulate the police union, you gotta fight

1142
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: against the police union lobbies in the city. So ultimately,

1143
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: to me, the thing we need to do is expand

1144
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: our voting base. Right, black people vote, but we need

1145
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: to we need to be very articulate about what we're

1146
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: voting for. We need to expand a number of people

1147
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: that vote, and we need to be able to overpower

1148
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: the police union vote because right now there's a lot

1149
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: of mayors, including the mayor of Minneapolis, that said, look,

1150
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I can't say that I want to

1151
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: defund uh police because even though he mean, what does

1152
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: that mean exactly when they say in defund the police

1153
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 1: mean they they mean take the money that's going currently

1154
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: into the police and put it in other areas, because

1155
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people feel like that means that we're

1156
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: just gonna fire all the police and suddenly, you know,

1157
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 1: your grand'ma get knocked in the head and ain't nobody

1158
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: to call, Right, that's not it. The idea is that

1159
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: we take the funds that are going out of the

1160
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: police into the police and put them into other areas

1161
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: when they could be used. Because right now, even the

1162
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: police themselves are being stretched really thin in terms of

1163
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: what they what they're asked to do. They gotta get

1164
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: the cat out of the tree. They gotta resolve a fight.

1165
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: They got They did that in Camden, New Jersey and Canadas.

1166
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: They defunded the police, all right, And I go, I

1167
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: live in Philly, so I'm ten minutes from Camden. What

1168
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: was the result of that. Murders went down, robberies went down, uh,

1169
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: arrest went down. The one thing that didn't go up though,

1170
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: and this is interesting and I talked about this in

1171
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: my book. I have a book called Nobody which looks

1172
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: at this. In Ferguson is the number of tickets for

1173
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: dumb ship went up. So the number of tickets for

1174
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: people not wearing bicycle homes went up by four. You

1175
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: know why, because the police ain't got ship else to do.

1176
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: The part of what we gotta do is make them

1177
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 1: is not turned the police and the tax collectors for

1178
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: the city. But that's why you defund and that's why

1179
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: we didn't reduce the police force slowly, because you don't

1180
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: need them as much. That's the point where he gotta

1181
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: imagine a world where we don't need police anymore. And

1182
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: that's why Buns points is important about you know, our

1183
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: reform is acceptable. Yes, they are as long as they

1184
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: continue to keep at the end as our goal a

1185
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: world where police are not necessary, and where we understand

1186
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: that right now, policing is the problem. It's not a

1187
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: solution to our problem. Is the problem necessary because poverty

1188
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: is violence. So if you if you eliminate poverty, if

1189
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: you you eliminate conditions, it's not the community is like

1190
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,919
Speaker 1: he said, the suburbs is nobody in the suburbs because

1191
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: there's no reason for crying to be committed. You know

1192
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: what I'm saying exactly. So if you eliminate the reason

1193
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 1: for crime to be committed, and you put these moneys

1194
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: into the community, you make sure people have jobs. You mean,

1195
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: you don't cut some of you couldn't say, you know,

1196
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: oh we need to please of course you you you

1197
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: you you give nothing else. They this is how they survived.

1198
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: Do some of you? Everybody will speakings for the somebody

1199
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: hanging out? Like you could you take out all the programs,

1200
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: no sports since summer expread So what what do you

1201
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: think is gonna happen in these communities? You know? So

1202
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. So we gotta we gotta create assistance.

1203
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: We gotta create a structure that eliminates the reason for

1204
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: the police, and then we don't need the police exactly.

1205
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: And we gotta inform people about what these budgets to fall.

1206
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: Right Like when when when we when we talk about

1207
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: defunding the police. I give your perfect example. You watch TV.

1208
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: You see the police so tear gas, You see the

1209
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: police do pepper spray. You see the police shoot rubber bullets, right,

1210
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: Like we paid for that. That comes out of the

1211
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: city city budget. Now, there's no other use for tear gas,

1212
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: pepper spray, rubber bullets, right, gear shields, There's no other

1213
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: use for that except against the citizens. There's no other

1214
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,959
Speaker 1: scenario Like if you're somebody robbing the bank, the ain't

1215
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: throwing tear gas in there, They're not shooting rubber bullets.

1216
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: That's for engagement with the citizens of the city. Why

1217
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: what citizens paid for the police to throw that ship

1218
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: and use that ship against them. But most people don't

1219
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: really understand that, Like I will vote, Um, there's a

1220
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: billion dollar budget for the police on the table in Houston,

1221
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: right our vote comes up tomorrow. And so we've been

1222
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: trying to inform people about it, to contact that Congress

1223
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: people and at least say, look, let's let's let's put

1224
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: the vote off right now, Like we got a lot

1225
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: of other things going on, and they're basically gonna use

1226
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: this moment where we're out worried about George Floyd and

1227
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: police brutality to basically give the police another billion dollars.

1228
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: While we're looking to the left, they're gonna break bread

1229
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: with him on the right. And so they looked then

1230
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: trying to have a moratorium on on this budget spending

1231
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 1: until the public can be more aware of what they're

1232
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: spending the money on, you know what I'm saying, and

1233
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: so and so that's the thing when when when Mark

1234
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: talks about voting and broadening the scope of the vote,

1235
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: and that comes with information and education, you know. And

1236
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: so everybody I talked to when they're like, man, voting

1237
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: don't mean nothing. Voting ain't gonna change it. I say, look,

1238
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: you got a partner, Like let's say your Homeboy Catcher

1239
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: case by sign I know you know what I'm talking about,

1240
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: your Homeboy Catcher case. Right, you'd be like, damn, that's

1241
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: funked up. Um, what caught you in? Like what what

1242
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: court you gotta go to? They tell you the court, Oh,

1243
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: you got judged so and so when they get you

1244
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: for the ride, like like he for the lad a

1245
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: ham on you like that. You know they're they're judge

1246
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: you if judges in America that are infamous for excessive

1247
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: citizen when it comes to people of color judges and

1248
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: appointed uh you know that's an appointing position, a city

1249
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: specific judges in certain districts. That's a that's a that's

1250
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: a a voters thing. So if you want to change

1251
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: the way you and your homies are getting prosecuted, because

1252
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: obviously you know you're you're you're done. Soon as you're

1253
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: walking in the courtroom with them dredgs as some tattoos,

1254
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: it's it's over for you gonna throw the whole you

1255
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: gotta throw the library at that's just you gonna throw

1256
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: the whole library at your at. So you gotta vote,

1257
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: you gotta vote them kind of dudes out volvers. Hey,

1258
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: hey Mr Quale, Hey up Mark my song norim was good? Yes, yes, yes, yes,

1259
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: so um look look um, I was waiting for this

1260
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: question for quality, right, I was waiting for this. I promise,

1261
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: I promised wanted to ask all y'all all together, right,

1262
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: all of us, we're all involved with this, we're all

1263
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: black and we all you know, they say black people,

1264
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: we forgive people too much, right, But me, on this situation,

1265
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Speaker 1: I'm ready to invite the brother back to the barbecue

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Speaker 1: and may even make him a plea of a Taylor salad.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Kanye West. He touched me. He touched

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01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: me when I seen him protests with the what what

1269
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: what what? The not the money part. The money part

1270
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: is like, that's that's whatever, right, That's great, that's great.

1271
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Speaker 1: I respect that. I love that too. But it feels

1272
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: like he's he's trying to come back. I'm looking the

1273
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: outside of it, but it feels like he's trying to

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01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: come back. I'll start with you quality. But you did

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01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,919
Speaker 1: I mean well, um shout out to a t and Keys.

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01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: I had a I had I had a meeting with

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Speaker 1: trying you to go hung out with Kanye all day

1278
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: a few months ago, a couple of months ago, I

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01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: think maybe January February. Um, Ad and Keys and me

1280
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: and Kanye went out to dinner and I mean went

1281
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: out to breakfast. We talked to a bunch and he

1282
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: said some things to me led me to believe that

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01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: he might be back to reality. He um, he talked

1284
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: about how he was around the wrong people. He talked

1285
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: about how he was listening to the wrong people who

1286
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: were giving him like GP talking points. He talked about

1287
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: how he understood that a line of himser for Candice

1288
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: Owens was a mistake. Um. He didn't go as far

1289
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,959
Speaker 1: in that conversation to say he wasn't down with Trump

1290
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: no more, but the things that he said, UM, you know,

1291
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: lead me to believe that maybe he was on that path.

1292
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: And you know that's I've already spoken out publicly privately.

1293
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: You know, I've used a firm hand. I've used to

1294
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: try to get to try to get the fly with molasses.

1295
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: I've done everything I could. I've already said what I

1296
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: can to Kanye about Trump. So he's a grown man.

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01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: I don't I don't feel like it's my place to

1298
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: tell him not to like Trump more than I've already

1299
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: done it. But I was. I was hopeful. Um. And

1300
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: then a couple of months after he said those things

1301
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: to me, he went back in the press and was

1302
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: big and Trump up again. So I was like, Okay,

1303
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: maybe he's still confused. But I will say as far

1304
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: as recent UM things, people come to me and say

1305
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: why doesn't Kanye speak out and the problem is a mark.

1306
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: You notice very well, there's a lot of artists and

1307
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: celebrities that speak out and don't know what the funk

1308
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: they're talking about, you know. So I started this conversation

1309
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: off with that speech. I said, listen, yeah, like you know,

1310
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: I know, I live in a I don't live in

1311
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: a bubble bubble, but I live in a certain bubble.

1312
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: So I was think some of the smartest brothers. I know,

1313
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: that's why hits a no, But that's that's what it is.

1314
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: I mean, why why would I want to hear Kanye's

1315
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: opinion on what's going on? Like even even if the

1316
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: only thing I want to hear Kanyie talking about your

1317
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: easies and samples. At this point, you know what the

1318
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: bell says, they said, it's report said listening. Yea, yeah, y'all.

1319
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear what y'all want to say.

1320
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: I don't want your Kanye got Kanye gotta say about

1321
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: any of this. But what I will say is if

1322
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: he had come out and and this Trump people would

1323
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: call him a hypocrite, and we had come out and

1324
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: and supported the families and didn't this Trump people will

1325
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: call him hypocrite. So I do believe that the brother

1326
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: is smart enough to know that the best thing he

1327
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: could have did was to send that young man, said

1328
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: George Floyd, order to school, give money, protests with the people,

1329
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: all those things I applaud. I think it's admirable and

1330
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: I think that was the right thing for him to do.

1331
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: I still think it's our job at as his peers,

1332
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: to call him out for his hip, hypocrisy and his

1333
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: love for Trump. But I applaud what he did. I

1334
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: think you mean, I think Kanye is so confused right,

1335
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: like he he doesn't have a position, Like that's a

1336
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,439
Speaker 1: very dangerous person for me, you know what I'm saying.

1337
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: When when you you flip hop, you say this, you

1338
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: say that, you go here, you go here, Like his

1339
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: integrity isn't questionable, So I don't. I don't know who

1340
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna be. Like it's like somebody saving you in

1341
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: the back and then they say sorry, Like Kanye has

1342
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: done so much damage to our culture, Like shit he

1343
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: did wasn't just oh you like Trump. He damaged the culture.

1344
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He let people a straight

1345
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: he put people he was he was giving GOP token

1346
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: points that were love. He would just he was giving

1347
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: validity to some that he that he didn't even realize

1348
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: was damaging us, like or he realized or he didn't know.

1349
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: He did it for whatever his political game is, you know,

1350
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: his financial game, whatever it was, it was so dangerous

1351
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: to me at the point I said Kanye was was

1352
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: the most dangerous black person in America at one time. Yeah,

1353
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: And I just just to add, don't know what you're saying.

1354
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: I wanna, I want to I just acting point. I

1355
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: want you to finish. But you're absolutely right because meet

1356
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: you did. People know I'm gonna wine a lot, I'll

1357
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: be tweeting a lot, and I see the direct influences.

1358
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: I see not just one or two individuals, but I've

1359
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: seen whole groups of black people. And granted there's a

1360
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: lot of white boys and digital black face and there's

1361
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: a lot of bots and all that, but that's not

1362
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: gonna talk about in this conversation. I'm talking about I

1363
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: see a lot of black people form groups around the

1364
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 1: idea that we can now like Mago, we can now

1365
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: like Trump. And I feel like Kanye is directly responsible

1366
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: for that. And he did, and then when he was

1367
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: he was at HBCUs sitting in with Trump, spoken points

1368
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,439
Speaker 1: like there was people was going into him saying music.

1369
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: He's like, yo, don't I with Trump? I love Trump.

1370
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: The Republican Party was the one that freed to black.

1371
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: You don't know that, And he's saying this, you don't.

1372
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: He's like giving him private education. He's giving some talking

1373
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: points that somebody gave me. Not he's not saying that.

1374
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: Not This Republican Party. Democratic Party used to be the

1375
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: recording the party. Did you switch? They switched? You know,

1376
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: they switched positions. But he's just saying the words, and

1377
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: people like work and they're just hearing things. He don't

1378
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: know what he's talking about. It. He just using talking points,

1379
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: and he's trying to get you know, the one minute

1380
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: you you you you with the church, then one minute

1381
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: you know you're you're a sick funk you want you

1382
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: to like and you just too confusing for me. So

1383
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: I can't allow you in my house it because I

1384
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: don't know what you're gonna do, not in my pick.

1385
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: He's gonna pick that. I can tell you what he goes.

1386
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: He helped Bun talking Okay, but Bun talking that yeah,

1387
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: Bun hold on but you're breaking up hold on barbecue're

1388
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: gonna read that crass and that that's what you're gonna

1389
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: do for your Yeah, I mean I'm yeah, yeah, yeah.

1390
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, yeah, yeah, that's why you can't

1391
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: bring Kanye to the barbecue because he's gonna bring potato salad.

1392
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a potato salad with raisins. And yeah

1393
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: you don't. I mean, I M Kanye said that ship

1394
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: about the Republican Party free to slaves. I texted in

1395
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: the guy. I was like, yo, that's that's that you

1396
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: spread it incorrect information. But I had him directly, and

1397
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: what he did was he said, I sent him the links.

1398
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: I sent him the links, so all the information, like

1399
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: you missed this, this that, he said, put this in

1400
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,479
Speaker 1: a put this in a screenshot so I could post

1401
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: it out so so people could see both sides arguments.

1402
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: So I put it in the screenshot. He said, not,

1403
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: that's too too much information. I was like, brother, if

1404
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: you want, if you don't, if you don't want the information,

1405
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: then you need to stout speaking. I didn't. I congested

1406
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: it right. I condensed the information and I put he

1407
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: he tweeted it out. He tweeted out, but I think

1408
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: it was Steve Stout who gave him those those talking

1409
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: points because then then he was like, he tweeted out

1410
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: something to see Scouting told him after that. So I'm like, okay,

1411
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: like you, not you. You're talking to people who will

1412
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: maybe good people. They don't know. Ship about politics is

1413
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: that some pople some people want to have insightful conversation

1414
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: to grow, and some people don't. Remember. It's probably been

1415
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: six seven years and now I talked to Kanye and

1416
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: he was saying some wild ship. He was in Chicago,

1417
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: and I made my counter argument. I hear what you're saying.

1418
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: You got all these facts, but I ain't working with

1419
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: your facts because they go against what I already think.

1420
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: So if somebody says some ship like that, that means

1421
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: that they're not trying to grow, they're not trying to learn.

1422
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't dispose of pel Monk. You

1423
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 1: couldn't have said that. He said that. He said that,

1424
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: but I already think and he's got it's crazy because

1425
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: there's conscious people in this circle, right Like GFC is

1426
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: in his circle, he's super conscious. Uh, the brother Malik

1427
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: is in this circle. There's super conscious. I know for

1428
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: a fact that they tried to sit down with him

1429
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: before the Trump meeting and then go over like a

1430
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: list of things like this is what you need to

1431
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: be asking for, Like these are the things that you

1432
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 1: need to be talking about, you know what I'm saying.

1433
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: You need to be talking about, you know, helping their

1434
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: children in the in the cities of Chicago. You need

1435
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: to be talking about police reform, you need to be

1436
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: talking about prison before they gave him all of that ship.

1437
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: But that's he This is the problem that we have

1438
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: with the police, right um not to get off with

1439
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: Kanye because we could. I don't have a problem staying

1440
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: on his case for a minute, But that's a problem

1441
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: with police. Police get training, they get sensitivity training, they

1442
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: get brute taught rules of engagement, what's what's legal or

1443
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: what's not legal, when and and interactions and during escalation,

1444
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: but none of that means nothing if they don't want

1445
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 1: to implement that ship. So you can teach police the

1446
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 1: right way to engage with the community, but if they

1447
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: don't receive it and they don't implement it, it's redundant.

1448
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: And that's the problem with Kanye. You could give him

1449
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: all the conscious facts and information that you want to

1450
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 1: give him. But to be honest, the brother wants to

1451
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: believe that he knows what's best for everybody. And I

1452
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a if that's a byproduct of

1453
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,560
Speaker 1: his mental illness. I don't know if he's bipolar. Like

1454
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what exactly has meant to him in

1455
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 1: this situation, is right, But and not to like definite

1456
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: voice that people with mental health, but even they need

1457
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: to be where like I just I just don't think

1458
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: that they're taking his medicine sometimes, you know what I'm saying,

1459
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: Like we dealt with that with Pimp. You know, Pimp

1460
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 1: had mental health and pimple then like taking his medicine

1461
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: sometimes because it would leave him somewhat number right, like

1462
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: not able to really deal with his emotions and be

1463
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: in touch with his emotions. So he wouldn't want to

1464
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: take his medicine. But then now you purely acted off

1465
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 1: of emotion, and that's not gonna work either, Like you

1466
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 1: have to have some sense of reason. I just saw

1467
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: that John Legends said that he hadn't really been dealing

1468
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 1: with Kanye that much. And John Legend has woke in

1469
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: the motherfucker like John gets it. You know, he's in

1470
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,560
Speaker 1: the space, he's active. He puts his money where his

1471
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: mouth is, you know what I'm saying. And so when

1472
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: there's only so much that people can try to talk

1473
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: to somebody, and when until they realize that this dude

1474
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: is not trying to hear this, Like he said, I'm

1475
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 1: not working with your facts right that you know, And

1476
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: that's why he told That's why he told Swaye, you

1477
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: don't have all the answers because he believes he has

1478
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: all thats right, and you don't. You can make good music,

1479
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 1: but that don't mean nothing when it comes to society's uh,

1480
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, systimic racism and our social standards and everything

1481
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: else that we deal with. And and quality is right, man,

1482
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: everybody don't need to be talking mothercker need to really

1483
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: shit the funk down and shut the funk up when

1484
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 1: it comes to speaking about this ship just because you

1485
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 1: got the platform, Like you have to be really understanding

1486
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: of the weight and the power of your platform. Right.

1487
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: And so there are a lot of kids who he

1488
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: had Kanye talking about God and talking about all this

1489
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: type of ship and think Kanye has got it, Like

1490
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: why else would he be as famous and as popular

1491
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 1: as he is. If he didn't, nobody was talking about that.

1492
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: Ain't got ship to do with nothing. You gotta know

1493
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: what you're talking about to make a good record. That's

1494
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: two totally different things. And and like my son says

1495
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 1: that that level the power and influence is dangerous because

1496
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: of how detrimental it could be. You know what I'm saying,

1497
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: sending it makes messages. When sending make messages, that only

1498
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: sends people in the wrong direction. Sometimes it just makes

1499
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: people are different, right, it makes it puts people in position, right,

1500
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: I don't know who the funk lets to, so fucking

1501
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm out of Yeah, exactly. You don't think

1502
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: that was like that was like his version of saying, Yo,

1503
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make a step towards the right direction

1504
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: because he went to actual Chicago, walk through the people,

1505
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: Like I think that's his version of doing I don't

1506
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:36,759
Speaker 1: think everyone that that. That doesn't mean he has good intentions.

1507
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:40,799
Speaker 1: That makes for good optics, right, ship makes for good optics.

1508
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: I don't believe it. People. I see people, Um, we're

1509
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 1: faking there. Their black Like they had a model right

1510
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: who showed up to the march, held up aside, took

1511
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,600
Speaker 1: a picture and left right, you know, like just like

1512
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: standing on the corner that she knew the march's gonna

1513
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 1: walk past. As soon as the marchres came, she should

1514
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: held up beside and left posted it on social media

1515
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: and not just trying to give their parents that she's woke.

1516
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 1: This ship is about optics. The other thing is, I

1517
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 1: don't believe that ship. I don't believe that because he

1518
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: there's a there's a million that Look how many people

1519
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: got killed in Chicago this weekend, like eight or four

1520
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 1: people shott eighteen people died at chicag He need four hours.

1521
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: That was That's that's that's insane, and and and and

1522
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: the thing is it's another piece of this. I mean,

1523
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: the cynical read is and I think it's fair to

1524
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: beat some cynical Kanye skeptical at least is given two

1525
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: million dollars when you declared a billionaire about Forbes is

1526
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: not an extraordinary act. I mean, you almost have to

1527
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 1: give two million dollars donations to tax purposes, right, so

1528
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 1: he could give it to a lot of places, especially

1529
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 1: especially when your homies is given right right exact exactly.

1530
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: But the other piece of this is it's not that

1531
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: Kanye doesn't love black people. I never thought Kanye didn't

1532
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 1: love black people. And even a white racist can see

1533
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: that George Floyd shouldn't have died that way. Even if

1534
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:01,560
Speaker 1: they don't give a funk, they can still know that

1535
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 1: that he shouldn't have died that way. So to me,

1536
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: showing that you are upset about George Floyd is a

1537
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: sign of any kind of conversion. The issue with Kanye

1538
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: is not that he doesn't see black poverty and black

1539
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: death and black pain. The question is how does he

1540
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 1: make sense of it, how does he process it? If

1541
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 1: you think that black death is in your own choice,

1542
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: if you think slavery is a choice, so Kanye think

1543
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: slavery is sucked up. He just thinks. But when he

1544
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: says it's a choice, this is analysis of how we

1545
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: ended up there. That's the problem. Similarly, if you have

1546
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: a bootstrapped now that says the black people are poor

1547
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: and black people are dying, and it's because they don't unify,

1548
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: they don't organize, they don't do what they need to do.

1549
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: Instead of blaming the structures and the institutions that made

1550
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,600
Speaker 1: him a billionaire, and that makes us on on the

1551
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 1: on the wrong side of so much vulnerability. Then then

1552
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: that's the issue with Kanye. So Kanye marching with people

1553
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 1: against against somebody getting killed in broad daylight, that don

1554
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 1: means shipped to me. I need to see Kanye saying

1555
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 1: the problem is the fact that black people are vulnerable

1556
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: in the first place. The problem is that black people

1557
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: are jobless. And the fact is that black people in

1558
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: the middle of COVID nineteen, which shouldn't be a universal illness,

1559
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: black people are the ones dying from it at a

1560
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 1: disproportionate rate. And so those that kind of analysis is

1561
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: what I need from Kanye. But let me say that differently.

1562
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: I don't need it from Kanye. I just need it

1563
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 1: from Kanye. If he's gonna talk, don't talk. I don't.

1564
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 1: I don't make beats, I don't rap. I'm not good

1565
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: at it. And if I went out there and wrap,

1566
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 1: I would rap as well. As Kanye does social analysis,

1567
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: I don't do it, you know. So, So so that's that,

1568
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: and that's exactly the problem. So it's not just about Kanye.

1569
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 1: It's about getting artists and intellectuals and activists who have

1570
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: an analysis, who have something to offer. So when quad

1571
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: does it, when my son doesn't, when Bunn does it.

1572
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,719
Speaker 1: It's different because y'all, y'all are informed by these issues.

1573
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:39,600
Speaker 1: I ain't got the only platforms for this show. I

1574
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: want you all to talk as much as I want

1575
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 1: to talk, but if you don't have the analysis, then

1576
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: don't do it. And it's not just artists, there's after

1577
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,560
Speaker 1: there's intellectuals or or pH ds. Then don't have to

1578
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 1: right analysis pH ds that are saying the same dumb

1579
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: ship that that that that I'm mad at Kanye for.

1580
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,440
Speaker 1: So I don't want to hear a Voice Watkins analysis

1581
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 1: anymore than I want to hear Kanye analysis because it's

1582
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: the same a problem. Yeah, that's that's the issue for me.

1583
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: Then it's like I think, I think it's amazing that

1584
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: Kim is the one that has that level of awareness, Right,

1585
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: It's really true, It's really true. She's waving like Kim

1586
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 1: is the one that has the compassion. I feel like

1587
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: Kim's got the compassion hold on, but the O G

1588
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 1: in the bad zone. Yeah that's only driving. Well, you're

1589
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 1: like he said, man, Kim has she has more compassion.

1590
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: She seems to just think about things before she talks.

1591
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: Kanye has a God complex and that's what the issue is. Yeah,

1592
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 1: you know, and it's really what it is. He he

1593
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: believes that he knows more than everybody on every subject.

1594
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 1: He could just find out aboudy, yes and everything. She

1595
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: has the awareness all about me. But I don't know

1596
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: what that was before they or not. But she's a

1597
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 1: meaning and right, so I'm finitely immigrant. Damn, don't sound

1598
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 1: like some good point entire and he lost and we lost,

1599
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: and men like you says the total point money. He's

1600
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 1: just doing the work. That's what what what good is

1601
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: the as if you don't do ship? And that's the

1602
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 1: other problems people who've got plenty of analysis and don't

1603
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 1: do ship them all day. And look, it's not that

1604
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 1: I don't have criticism of of anybody who's gonna reform work.

1605
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm a radical, but at least there are people who

1606
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 1: are home right now who wouldn't be home if not

1607
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: for Kim Kardashian's work. It's people who are free that

1608
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't be free, and that ship got to count for something,

1609
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 1: that's all I'm saying. That's right, that's right. I mean

1610
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,560
Speaker 1: I think that Kim's Kim's family wanted the thing that

1611
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: they're best at is is optics, and is publicity and

1612
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 1: is media. That's so I think they, I think more

1613
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: than anything. But the cynical argument would be Kim understands

1614
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: and a family understand the optics better than Kaya. But

1615
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 1: I also think I'm an optimist, you know what I'm

1616
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 1: also I'm also I'm pro black. But I believe in

1617
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:04,560
Speaker 1: the human spirit, you know, And I would like to

1618
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 1: think that when I see I don't even know the

1619
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: names of it, I don't even know that. I don't

1620
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: follow any of the gossipy stuff, but I saw like

1621
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 1: the sisters was arguing, it was the click that went

1622
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 1: on and went the Bible. One of them was upset

1623
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: because you're like, I'm so famous, and just to they're

1624
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: they're starting a critique the famouschine that has made them famous.

1625
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 1: And I think when you grow older and you have children,

1626
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: and Kim Kardashian's got black children, you know what I'm saying.

1627
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: So it's like when you grow older and you see

1628
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: the world and you have a chance to move out

1629
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 1: of that same machine, and you do you able to

1630
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: be like, wow, Okay, this doesn't just this affects my

1631
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: black children as well. And you sheen she talks about

1632
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 1: getting a law degree when she talks about like what

1633
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: am I gonna be famous? Or being Kim Kardashian. I

1634
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: think we see the growth in her and you want,

1635
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 1: we want to see and Kanye that we're not seen.

1636
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 1: Think when you see it's not even grow. We've seen

1637
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 1: the klanic but you know he when we college drop,

1638
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 1: but we we thought he knew he We thought he

1639
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: was a hunter the same clips. You know. And to

1640
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,719
Speaker 1: your point when you said Kim is doing the work,

1641
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: like she's actually getting people out of prison, like Kanye

1642
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:10,759
Speaker 1: is doing the reverse. He's he's he's getting people killed.

1643
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 1: Because he's validating to white people why these black people

1644
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: don't deserve anything because they made the choice to be there.

1645
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that they need to do

1646
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: these things. If they do something better, it can change.

1647
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 1: So white people to take that and said even Kanye knows,

1648
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So they actually on two

1649
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 1: different ends of the spectrum. When you talk about the situation,

1650
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 1: and I want to tell you something, we're doing something

1651
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:35,560
Speaker 1: right and just just I don't I don't want to

1652
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 1: forget it. We um Brianna Taylor, the sister who was

1653
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 1: killed in Kentucky was shot by the police eight times.

1654
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 1: They shot old forty rounds into a home. No knock.

1655
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 1: Arrant kicked in the door. The boyfriend did middle tonight,

1656
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 1: he hears somebody kicked the door. They don't say the police,

1657
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 1: they don't say nothing. He fights one warning shot. They

1658
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: shoot through the house. They never walked through the door

1659
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: or over thirty plush shots aided on one into her.

1660
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: The other one shot into a bedroom with her little

1661
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: sister and her daughter was at but they weren't there.

1662
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 1: They usually be there. If they would have been, would

1663
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: have been three women had been dead if they had

1664
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 1: been home. They charged him with attempted murder because he

1665
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 1: shot one warning shot after they kicked and didn't say nothing.

1666
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 1: The man they was looking for never lived in that

1667
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: but he had already. He also had already been in

1668
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 1: custody nine hours before they even did. They even came

1669
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 1: with the wants. So everything is fucked up. So we

1670
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 1: we we we still we need these officers that they

1671
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: have him be fired. Some of them, you know, their

1672
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 1: own jets duty. Nothing has happened to them, right, Huh,

1673
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: We're still working. He's still working still everything, nothing has happened.

1674
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 1: He just got out of prison. Her husband, a boyfriend

1675
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: for the tip murder. Did They just dropped the charges

1676
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 1: because he had a lawyer, a black lawyer, who said,

1677
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't even get white here and here. So she

1678
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: let him go. But we still fighting to get something

1679
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 1: to happened to her. And it's unfortunate. You know, I

1680
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 1: worked a lot of women and they're pointing out every day.

1681
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 1: I was on a conversation with you know, Janelle Munay

1682
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 1: and Mansion and Rose and a couple of other us.

1683
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: He had a conversation and they said, why is it

1684
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: that nobody cares about black people? Like why aren't our

1685
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: brothers that's vocal about black women dying as we are

1686
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 1: about them? That's right, and that's and it touched me.

1687
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 1: It really touched me, you know. So what we're doing it,

1688
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: they're putting out the sisters are putting out this whole.

1689
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: It's about I think it's a least the keys is

1690
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 1: Um party being so many, so many systems. They're putting

1691
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 1: out P S. A. And I've been I've been you

1692
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 1: know until freedom my organization to me could put this

1693
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: put it together. And I've been tasked to get as

1694
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 1: many of my brothers of influence to re post it

1695
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 1: when you see it go out from these sisters for

1696
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 1: us to repost this and the solidarity. So I asked,

1697
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: got to ask all the brothers influence and I have

1698
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 1: platforms to do the same thing that I want. I

1699
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: want to just add on that, thank you for saying that,

1700
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:05,639
Speaker 1: my son. I think it's very important for me personally.

1701
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 1: I've been paying it to your Your journey as an

1702
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 1: artist and as an activist is very important to me.

1703
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:13,600
Speaker 1: It's very very inspirational to me, and I want to

1704
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 1: appreciate you for what you're doing. I think that the

1705
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: work that Until Freedom does Tamika and everybody there with

1706
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: that organization has been powerful. Like I got people in

1707
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: my family in New York who are not political who

1708
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:26,719
Speaker 1: text me and be like, yo, you think I should

1709
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 1: support Until Freedom And I'm like, yes, yes, And that

1710
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: that shows me that you're doing the work because y'all

1711
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: reaching the people who won't even really pay attention all

1712
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 1: the time. You know so, And I will say with

1713
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 1: the I'm glad you made that point because we have

1714
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 1: we have umber brothers on this call um and in

1715
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 1: our movement there's a huge, huge strange of patriarchy. Like like,

1716
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a I'm a I'm a black man, I'm

1717
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 1: a straight black man. I have I have fallen into

1718
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 1: the same traps of misogyny and homophobing and all these

1719
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 1: things that straight black men generally fall into. A guilty

1720
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 1: all of it. I've tried to grow as a human being.

1721
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 1: But when I went when I first went to uh

1722
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 1: meet the Dream Defenders in Florida, when I first went

1723
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: to Ferguson over to my brown thing, I saw black

1724
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 1: women on the front lines of the struggle more than anybody.

1725
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:16,560
Speaker 1: And that's that's not that's that's not scientific. That's my

1726
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 1: aunt anecdote. You know. My personal viewpoint is like, and

1727
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I saw black women, straight black women,

1728
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 1: and gay black women on the front lines among a

1729
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 1: lot of people. And a lot of these straight brothers

1730
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 1: would be like the black lives matter of day, and

1731
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: and and these women don't care about the black men.

1732
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 1: They're the ones I didn't see it. The people who

1733
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: go on on on the the people the most shit online,

1734
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: they're the ones I don't see in the front line.

1735
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 1: So when you see staying her name, you know, when

1736
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: you see the people talking about a Brianna Taylor and

1737
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 1: see people talking about Sandra Bland, we have to we

1738
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 1: have to do as as men when we asked white

1739
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 1: people to do for black people. We have to not

1740
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 1: just say that where we stand with women, we have

1741
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 1: to actively be anti sexist. We have to actively be

1742
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 1: anti misogynists and make sure that we are active in

1743
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 1: the way that we are uplifting these women. And that

1744
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 1: means we gotta ride for them. So because I agree

1745
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:10,640
Speaker 1: like when Mike Brown died on the fourteen, Bland was

1746
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 1: the name we should have been saying. Renie mc bride

1747
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:14,600
Speaker 1: was his name. We should have been saying. All of

1748
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 1: our big campaigns with us Rodney King, Trey Von George

1749
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:21,640
Speaker 1: so is always a black man and usually and we

1750
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:23,719
Speaker 1: have to be able to have a nation wide outrage

1751
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: over Brianna Taylor the same way we do with George Floyd.

1752
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 1: And black trans women die at a higher rate than

1753
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,440
Speaker 1: anybody else. I mean, I think the national life expectancy

1754
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 1: of black trans women is thirty five. We're saying Black

1755
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 1: lives matter, that is me, every single black life a

1756
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: Black lives man, and that means that we gotta have

1757
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 1: these campaigns for them too. We're in Minnesota protesting for

1758
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: justice for all black people, and a trans woman, Iana Dior,

1759
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:51,600
Speaker 1: was beaten senselessly by thirty people in Minnesota at the

1760
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 1: same time, Like that ship can't happen. All black lives

1761
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 1: gotta matter, and we gotta be on the marching campaign

1762
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 1: and tear down ship and fight for laws that affect

1763
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 1: them as well everybody, and and and if we don't

1764
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 1: do that, then we won't get me with. Black women

1765
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:10,639
Speaker 1: have historically been on the front lines do every civil

1766
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 1: rights movement that we've ever had in this country. Black

1767
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 1: women have always been on the front line because black

1768
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: women know what happens to black men in society. And

1769
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 1: that's why. And if you look at women in general,

1770
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 1: women women in our country are always compromised for their men,

1771
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 1: right women. You know, black women, you know didn't join

1772
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 1: the feminism movement until later because they stood with black

1773
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 1: men for civil rights, so they were behind the ball

1774
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 1: on that. Um. Black women know how important it is

1775
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 1: to have a black man in the house with the children,

1776
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 1: which is why they stand up so strong for black men.

1777
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 1: They know what what police do to black men, right,

1778
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 1: they know what racists what the clan has historically done

1779
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 1: to black men right as far as the masculine aidan

1780
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 1: and you know, cutting off with penises and all these

1781
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 1: different things, right, and so as bad as it is

1782
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: for them, they still put their own personal needs to

1783
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: the side. Um to stand in for black men, we

1784
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 1: need to look at every black woman as we look

1785
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 1: at our father and that same Uh, that's the real

1786
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:30,799
Speaker 1: Like we look black women and we understand that their mothers,

1787
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 1: but we don't. We quit. I'm not, I'm done, you know.

1788
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 1: And so for new quite right, like every black woman

1789
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: is potentially somebody's my body's sister, we are socially to

1790
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 1: hold them in a higher regard than we do. You

1791
01:25:49,520 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Two, Um, there was a munt

1792
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 1: sound like a star wars which weekend for Bean the

1793
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 1: birthday right and need to speak for all the black sisters.

1794
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, apologize for that. But yeah, so and so

1795
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 1: when we went to me and trade the truth went

1796
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:14,600
Speaker 1: to this to this rally, and they were like, well,

1797
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 1: we weren't gonna let any black men speak, but if

1798
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 1: y'all want to say something like no, we're not here

1799
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 1: to talk, we're here to support, you were here to

1800
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 1: back y'all up. We're here in solidarity in the same

1801
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: way that y'all show up to everything that we do

1802
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 1: right and silently, but probably march with us and standing

1803
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 1: in front of us. You know what I'm saying, it's

1804
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 1: our turn down. Today is your day to speak, and

1805
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 1: it's odd turned to sending it back silently, holding you

1806
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 1: all down. And we just gotta learn to do that

1807
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 1: on the daily. I say, black men, You know, I

1808
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 1: watched my sister Tomika go into a space that was

1809
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 1: uncomfortable because she knew it was benefited for us, and

1810
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 1: she intentionally winning in knowing that white women and other

1811
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 1: people are gonna tack her, you know. And I sit

1812
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 1: in that space around with women and I took leave.

1813
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 1: I let them take the lead, and I followed and

1814
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 1: I helped and I filled in gaps. And she took

1815
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: a lot of You don't even understand that she took

1816
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 1: behind behind closed doors in those rooms where white women

1817
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,640
Speaker 1: were trying to tell her about you know, why, what

1818
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:29,560
Speaker 1: is what is um um? What does black issues have

1819
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 1: to do with women's issue? Like? What does black has

1820
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: to do with women's issue? You know? Those are arguments

1821
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: that's having, Like I don't understand what is being black?

1822
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 1: We told about women, why are you talking about being black?

1823
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 1: You know, and she had firmly stand there and make

1824
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 1: sure that black women were sent her and everything. And

1825
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 1: that's for me, her target, you know, for not being

1826
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 1: willing to dennouncements ARCon Hunter, you know, stending firm and

1827
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 1: that and taking all this pressure. Man. You know, so

1828
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: I understand the plight of the black women. Let's make

1829
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 1: something like that. Everybody, everybody about basic throw it up. Well,

1830
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 1: all black beak as well, very proud of, very back.

1831
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 1: So um yeah, you let's uh, let's not forget. Let's

1832
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 1: stop forget with Tracy Morgan, let's forget stood up against

1833
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,640
Speaker 1: Tina Faith. With Tina Faith tried to say that they're like,

1834
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:29,600
Speaker 1: you're breaking up again. You're talking about that picture is

1835
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: a new black, but the bite of a white woman

1836
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: is bitch is a new black. Yeah, she said this

1837
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 1: is a new black. I didn't even hear that one.

1838
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 1: Yeah she when when when when Hillary Clinton was leading,

1839
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 1: was leading in the polls. And remember Tina Favor was

1840
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: doing the Sara Palin on s and now she did

1841
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 1: a skit where she said just remember you know, bitches

1842
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 1: and New Black. And then Tracy came next week and

1843
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:56,640
Speaker 1: what he said, he said, black is to new he

1844
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 1: said something funny to respond to her. But you know,

1845
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 1: but but the community of the black community, I don't

1846
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 1: think you know, I'm a fan of Teina Faith. But

1847
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 1: that was right, right, tone deaf. It was right, tone deaf,

1848
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 1: and at the time, it was wrong, and it just

1849
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't something dope to say at all. And

1850
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: and Tracy had to come he was still he was

1851
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 1: still a cast member in l at that time. And

1852
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 1: I imagine that I imagine that conversation happened like like

1853
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 1: after the show, like yo, like that ain't gonna work,

1854
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, right, Like you're doing right.

1855
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 1: You don't like funk out of here. And I'm sure

1856
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 1: take you know, I'm sure black people had to educate her.

1857
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 1: And then you know her being you know, very open

1858
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 1: minded person, but like you know what, let's talk about it.

1859
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 1: Let's you know, let me give you cause keep in mind,

1860
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 1: she's the show. She was the head writer, right, she

1861
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:44,680
Speaker 1: was one of the main producers for the show. And

1862
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 1: she didn't debate his issue or whatever. She was open up,

1863
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 1: open minded enough to let him come on and you

1864
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 1: know what, won't tell me that on camera. Let's you know,

1865
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 1: let's have this conversation in real time, right. Um, Well,

1866
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 1: I want add to the conversation record. I've been taking notes,

1867
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:05,680
Speaker 1: um about because you know, when my son brought up

1868
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor, the uprising, Um, you know, and and and

1869
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 1: if you do movement work, you learn to call what

1870
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 1: they call riots. You learned to call him uprisings. Um.

1871
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 1: You know, the uprising sort of helped to reopen the

1872
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 1: case for Brianna Taylor, and and so people. You know,

1873
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King was famous for saying that a rise, uh,

1874
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 1: a riot is a language of the unheard. But too

1875
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 1: often we don't we don't actually see that the actually

1876
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 1: that sounds romantic of sounds dude, but we don't actually

1877
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 1: quantify the tangent. And when when King was was murdered

1878
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 1: after night mark marking correct, because you know more more

1879
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 1: about history than I do, probably, But the Civil Rights

1880
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: Act was passed shortly after the King riots, right, yeah,

1881
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 1: another civil rights is um. So, so just I want

1882
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 1: to list to things just for this conversation that I've

1883
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: noticed that I've seen a change in uh sense the

1884
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 1: uprisings in Minneapolis over George Floyd and started with s

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Speaker 1: And now you know random Jimmy Fallon who was silent

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Speaker 1: about doing black face, he apologized for black face on TV.

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Speaker 1: And then your Jane Elliott on his program on to

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Speaker 1: night Right Show. And for me to see Jane Elliott

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Speaker 1: on the Tonight Show, I'm gonna see Jimmy Fallon apologize

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Speaker 1: for black face. That was a good thing. The NFL

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Speaker 1: apologizing for not taking the players. Protests seriously came out

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Speaker 1: of these uprises. Um, the Confederate flag removal from the

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Speaker 1: Marines in the Army day. We don't funk with the

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Speaker 1: Confederate flag. The more that came out of these uprisings,

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Speaker 1: Bob Johnson, the conservative billionaire, is now pro reparations publicly

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Speaker 1: that came out of these uprises. The officers who are

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Speaker 1: really they got arrested. Defund the police. Mark you said

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Speaker 1: you were radical, right, so defund the police as a concert,

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Speaker 1: which is different than a bolish the police. But to

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Speaker 1: defund the police moved from the fringe to the to

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Speaker 1: the more moderate and more mainstream. Now you've got liberals

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Speaker 1: and people who are gonna vote Democrats and people who

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Speaker 1: don't consider themselves radicals, saying we should defund the police.

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Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen videos of gang solidarity. I've seen

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Speaker 1: the Latin Kings linking up with the Bloods. I've seen

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Speaker 1: you know, we've we've seen that before, but just I've

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Speaker 1: seen it come as a result of this, of this

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Speaker 1: tragedy with George Floyd and the uprising. The last thing

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Speaker 1: I've noticed and the thing that that made me most

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Speaker 1: excited when I've seen the Chief of Chicago Police saying,

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Speaker 1: after a week of uprising, the police are just exhausted.

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Speaker 1: So if we can, just if we can all band

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Speaker 1: together and only in a week exhaust the Chicago Police Department,

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Speaker 1: imagine what we could do in a year of sustained

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