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Speaker 4: Jones on the Volume podcast Network. It is Saturday, April sixth,

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Speaker 4: and we are very excited to be joined by frequent

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Speaker 4: guest friend of the pod nif Abdua Kieb, whose new

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Speaker 4: book There's Always This Year on basketball and ascension the

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Speaker 4: New York Times bestseller. It is brilliant. All three of

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Speaker 4: us were very happy to get an advanced reader copy

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Speaker 4: and get to check it out. Aneth, thanks for hopping

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Speaker 5: We really appreciate you, man as always, Man, thanks for

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Speaker 5: having me. It's a real pleasure. This is like a

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Speaker 5: real exciting thing for me. You know, when I was

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Speaker 5: like nudging my pr people like I gotta get back

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Speaker 5: on Jankings and Jones, I gotta get back on jenks

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Speaker 3: So I'm glad to be here for real. They were

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Speaker 3: dragging their feet a little bit. I was like, I'm

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Speaker 3: get this lined up.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Tyler, I'm gonna have to go over the heads

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Speaker 6: here doing.

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Speaker 1: Hone.

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Speaker 4: My first question about the book is because I'm just

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Speaker 4: curious about your process, Like it's set around the around,

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Speaker 4: not about, but around the Bron Calves Championship. How much

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Speaker 4: How long has this book in this format kind of

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Speaker 4: been rattling around in your head and what crystallized into

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Speaker 4: the decision to tell this story and in this way.

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Speaker 5: The book itself has been in my head since twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 5: But you know what, Like in twenty eighteen, I told myself,

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Speaker 5: were up in Ohio at the same time, two different Ohios.

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Speaker 5: It's still Ohio, and we were kind of witnessed to

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Speaker 5: There, Thank you man, And no doubt like some of

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Speaker 7: You know what I mean is that before.

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Speaker 7: Being you know, deemed the king or you know.

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Speaker 2: What I mean, and making it and still not letting

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Speaker 2: And like one of those things is how you talk

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Speaker 2: But it's also the city where like my existence was

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Speaker 5: You earn, or at least I have earned a renewed

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Speaker 4: It's interesting it is in in so many ways, like

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Speaker 7: Know what I mean different? The stakes are different, right.

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Speaker 4: But we always come back to I think where you

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Speaker 7: The last two weeks has been a real like uh.

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean? But that wasn't It's not

436
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,840
Speaker 5: on some dismissive shit. It's on some shit where it's

437
00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,480
Speaker 5: like they see me as the person first and as

438
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Speaker 5: the author or maker of things second, and that aligns

439
00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,960
Speaker 5: me with that makes me feel a real desire to

440
00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,879
Speaker 5: protect myself in this place, which means I have to

441
00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,280
Speaker 5: protect this place and I have to protect the architecture

442
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,119
Speaker 5: of this place, which are the people I'm always I

443
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:13,879
Speaker 5: missed in love. I don't know if y'all know a

444
00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,560
Speaker 5: new or new of Sponto who did born and raised

445
00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,879
Speaker 5: out there passed away last year, late last year, but

446
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,639
Speaker 5: I think about him all the time, and I have

447
00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,600
Speaker 5: so much love for the blueprint he set for people

448
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,840
Speaker 5: because the way he operated against the gentrification of Venice,

449
00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,960
Speaker 5: in the preservation of the Venice that he knew and understood.

450
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 5: There's a message in that and a lesson in that,

451
00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,040
Speaker 5: where it's like, we have to save what we know

452
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,240
Speaker 5: and love one block at a time. That's it, right,

453
00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,760
Speaker 5: because eventually you're gonna lose some You're gonna that's just

454
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,440
Speaker 5: the way gentrification works. You're gonna lose some and you're

455
00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,480
Speaker 5: gonna lose some people in the process. But if you

456
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,399
Speaker 5: can preserve the people and places you love for as

457
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,080
Speaker 5: long as you can, you'll outlive the worst ambitions of

458
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,359
Speaker 5: city planners or governments or whoever else, and so I

459
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,280
Speaker 5: take that to heart. But yeah, I mean my life

460
00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,159
Speaker 5: has changed a lot in Columbus in a way. You know,

461
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,760
Speaker 5: there's like a real talk there's like a fucking like

462
00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 5: mural of my face four blocks from my house, you

463
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,159
Speaker 5: know what I mean. So there's stuff like this's like

464
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,199
Speaker 5: that kind of thing. But my actual like day to

465
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,400
Speaker 5: day living, thankfully feels like pretty normal here.

466
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 2: Speaking about gentrification while you're running from the cops in

467
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,400
Speaker 2: the apartment complex is different. And you're stealing a sandwich

468
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 2: from a place just to eat. That was you know,

469
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,200
Speaker 2: that was a different way of speaking about it that

470
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Speaker 2: I never heard. So yeah, I just wanted to speak

471
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:28,959
Speaker 2: to that.

472
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Speaker 7: It was. That was that was. It was jarring and

473
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,200
Speaker 7: beautiful at the same time. You know, thank you man.

474
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,920
Speaker 5: And that's really the real thing is anyone who like

475
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,639
Speaker 5: grew up in the hood running from cops on any level,

476
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 5: like with any regularity, the one thing you do find

477
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 5: out is that you're like, you know the terrain better

478
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 5: than the cops ever, will you know what I mean?

479
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 5: Like right, you know, it doesn't matter if they're faster

480
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 5: or whatever else. You know that you love the hood,

481
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 5: so you know the terrain of the hood. They're just visiting.

482
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Speaker 8: But when the terrain changes in the hood, you know

483
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 8: what I mean, it kind of fucks yourds a little bit,

484
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Speaker 8: you know what I mean.

485
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think I don't know. I think the

486
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 4: other thing that I thought was beautiful was how on

487
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 4: the edges. And first of all, I love your honesty

488
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 4: about like, you're not from Cleveland, and I'm sure that,

489
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 4: like for the same way that I'm not from Los Angeles,

490
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 4: I'm sure that for you, Like you know, as a

491
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 4: kid growing up in Columbus, the idea that you would

492
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 4: write a book and people would say it's about Cleveland,

493
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 4: it probably like would have disgusted you to some extent, right,

494
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 4: But I love your honesty about the Brown championship in Cleveland,

495
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 4: and also how much you did not let it become

496
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 4: a book about that. But it is also a book

497
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 4: that I thought was a really eloquent refutation of the

498
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 4: preposterous idea that sports can be untangled from politics or

499
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 4: like bigger social issues. Is like, that's why any of

500
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 4: us care about any of this shit, is that it's

501
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 4: not just like a new critical approach to there's five

502
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 4: people here and five people here. It's of course it's

503
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 4: like what it represents. How did you did you pull

504
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 4: back intentionally at places where you're like, oh no, I

505
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 4: could go on a little too long about basketball here,

506
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,479
Speaker 4: Like how did you kind of balance that?

507
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, first draft was the first draft was

508
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 5: way fucking different. I will and I will say this too, like,

509
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 5: you know, sports, if sports weren't meant to be some

510
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 5: kind of at least even if we don't want to

511
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 5: talk about obviously obvious like larger social issues that are

512
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 5: attached sports, the politics of place are deeply intertwined in sports,

513
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 5: and if they weren't, then sports teams would just be

514
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 5: like roaming circuses.

515
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 7: They would just play wherever. You know what I mean.

516
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 5: There would be no Cleveland Cavaliers. It would just be

517
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 5: America's Cavaliers roaming from city to city playing America's Mavericks

518
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 5: or whatever the fuck. But you know what I mean, Like, yeah,

519
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 5: the first draft was Wow. The first draft my editors

520
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 5: was the brilliant Maya Millet. And this was the first

521
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 5: time in my life, in my career as a writer

522
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 5: where I've worked with the same editor on two books

523
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 5: and like not two books in a row, and not

524
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 5: to get like sports metaphor heavy or whatever, but it

525
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 5: is that continuity. It is real, Like there's a reason

526
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 5: why teams are successful when they just run it back,

527
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like when you have a

528
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 5: core and you run it back and run it back.

529
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 5: This was the first book where I had the exact

530
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 5: same team going into the book, and that changed everything.

531
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Speaker 5: So the first draft was a lot of me really

532
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 5: just describing sports moments in great detail without any aim.

533
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 5: You know, I'd be like and a very like also

534
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 5: like Mike Breen shit like very play by play where

535
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 5: it's like Kyrie dribbled up the court and then he

536
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 5: and my editor Maya was like, you're doing this thing

537
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 5: and she called it authoritative sports voice and she was

538
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 5: like you're doing it and she's like and she's so nice,

539
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like she wouldn't, you know,

540
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 5: she was essentially saying, like this shit is whack. But

541
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 5: she was like, oh, well, you're doing it here and

542
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 5: also here, and she was just like circling hell of places.

543
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 4: You know.

544
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 5: It was like in here and also here. And I

545
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 5: realized that I was doing it to try to prevent

546
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 5: myself from getting into these deeper emotional places that I

547
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 5: was trying to go in the book, and once I

548
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 5: realized what it looked like and how I was doing it,

549
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 5: I was like, oh shit, this is actually bad, you

550
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 5: know what I mean. And there's a point in the book.

551
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 5: There is a point of the book where I use

552
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 5: it to my advantage, which is the talking about that

553
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 5: Dick Snyder shot in nineteen seventy six where he like

554
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 5: the floater in the lane that looks like the sunset.

555
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 5: That was an opportunity to kind of use that to

556
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 5: my advantage to get that image off of like a

557
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 5: Game seven is like a sunset. But in order to

558
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 5: make that work, I have to make you visualize the

559
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 5: ball against this blue background as a sunset. But yeah,

560
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 5: the first draft was a lot of me just being

561
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 5: like Kyrie dribbled the ball up the court Steph Curry

562
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 5: shot a step back three, you know, and to get

563
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 5: out of that to work to like in Maya was like,

564
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 5: that's not how you would talk in real life, Like

565
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 5: you wouldn't talk to anyone about Game seven like that

566
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 5: in real life. So talk about this shit as you

567
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 5: would talk about it if you were talking like if

568
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 5: you were telling this story to a child, like if

569
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 5: you're telling the story of the twenty sixteen Game seven

570
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 5: to someone who has never seen it, tell it to

571
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 5: them like that, and that's kind of that flipped the.

572
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 7: Switch for me.

573
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, you know, digging down deeper on how like

574
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 3: Lebron is kind of the central figure here that all

575
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 3: things kind of springboard off of. You know, of course

576
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 3: you wouldn't have pick Lebron if he wasn't from Ohio, right,

577
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 3: because you know there's that correlation there, right, right, So,

578
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 3: so you know, I'm curious because there's a certain type

579
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 3: of there's a very unique type of affection that we

580
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 3: have for athletes from our home states, from our home cities, right,

581
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 3: like Alan Overson, Like Lebron is my goat, but Alan

582
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: Overson is my favorite basketball player ever. And it's solely

583
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 3: because he's from Virginia.

584
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 7: Right. So you know, you you you made it very

585
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 7: clear how.

586
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 3: You know you're you revere Bron, You're in all of

587
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 3: him at at times in this book. But I'm curious

588
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 3: on too, what would be your you would say, is

589
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 3: your unique way that you feel about Bron that is

590
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 3: that is you know, distinct to you being from Ohio.

591
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 5: Well, the thing at West saw him so much earlier

592
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 5: than everybody else, you know people I mean before Acres,

593
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 5: Saint Vincent, Saint Mary, you know, before perhaps his junior

594
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 5: year when they got big and the game started moving

595
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 5: to bigger places. To see him in those first couple

596
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 5: of years, see him as like a you know, fourteen

597
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 5: fifteen year old, and to see him as a football player,

598
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 5: like to see him he was like an All state

599
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 5: wide receiver the one year he played, you know what

600
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 5: I mean. And to see that there was like, you

601
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 5: know it. It was this kind of feeling of we

602
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 5: got to hear the album before the rest of the

603
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 5: world did, you know what I mean, or we got

604
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 5: we got access to this brilliance before the rest of

605
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 5: the world did. And that was I had never seen

606
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 5: anything like that. I'd never seen a phenomena. You know, Yes,

607
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 5: Kenny Gregory was an All Star, but also Kenny Gregory

608
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 5: played in the era before we knew what like national

609
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 5: rankings were. There wasn't like a there wasn't an industry

610
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 5: around that. There wasn't an industry around putting these kids

611
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 5: on the cover of magazines like Brahm was on Sports

612
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 5: Illustrated that type shit, and so to have the entire

613
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 5: focus of a player be up an Acron specifically, which

614
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 5: I think is an interesting city and in battled city

615
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 5: sometimes with a really rich history that sometimes I think

616
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 5: people tend to fix a kind of deadness to it,

617
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 5: like this city was once great and now it's dead,

618
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 5: which is not true, but that's how. That's how the

619
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 5: and these like factory towns or towns of industry that

620
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 5: are no longer that no longer rely on that industry,

621
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 5: but they have that to feel like Akron for a

622
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 5: while was like the center of the world, even before

623
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 5: the rest of the world turned towards it.

624
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 7: That was cool.

625
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 5: And to see that Akros Saint Vincent team, the whole

626
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 5: team was wild, you know, outside of I mean, Ohio's

627
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 5: had some great high school basketball teams. Those Brooke Caven

628
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 5: teams were great. The Jared Sullinger Trey Burke Northland team

629
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 5: was great. But that that Across Saint Vincent team that

630
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 5: was like Bron and Romeo Travis and Drew Joyce and

631
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 5: Cheon Cotton.

632
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 7: That team was great.

633
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 5: They had I always forget this kid's name, but that

634
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 5: like one white kid who is exactly at what you

635
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 5: would imagine, you know what I means, like at that time.

636
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 5: I feel like every white kid who was on one

637
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 5: of these all black like super teams is like that

638
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 5: motherfucker's coming in to shoot threes and that is it,

639
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Pot three point line. Yeah,

640
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 5: that's like that motherfucker shoot for real. I gotta remember

641
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 5: his name because someone else asked me about this. That

642
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 5: motherfucker could shoot for real, for real, and he was

643
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 5: maybe like the eighth, six or seventh best player on that,

644
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So to see a team

645
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 5: like that too felt really really miraculous. They felt like awesome.

646
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 5: It felt like a very he got game kind of

647
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 5: shit where it was like, you know, the rail splitters

648
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 5: in real life.

649
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 4: I also, I think we're all within like two years

650
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 4: of age of each other, and Braun is kind of

651
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 4: like in the in the middle there. The other thing

652
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 4: that is so different now is you don't get famous

653
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 4: in your town first anymore. If you're an elite athlete,

654
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 4: you get famous nationally sort of simultaneously.

655
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 7: Right.

656
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's changed quite a bit in my life

657
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 4: as a sportswriters, we used to get a year or

658
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 4: two with kids where you could develop relationship and see

659
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 4: them grow into that as opposed to John and Tyler

660
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 4: and I have talked a lot about Mikey Williams in

661
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 4: San Diego, which is like, hey, you're fifteen. Everyone in

662
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 4: the country who's a basketball fan knows who you are.

663
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 4: You now, instead of two ways to fuck up your life,

664
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 4: here's ten million ways you can fuck your life up.

665
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: You know, like it.

666
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 4: It's so different now, and you can't go watch YouTube

667
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 4: videos of Braun the way that now, like a kid

668
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 4: who's the one hundred and fiftieth best player in the

669
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 4: country has got ten thousand. I think that's what was

670
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 4: special about that that too, is he's really the last

671
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 4: athlete of his caliber who got to be locally famous,

672
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 4: then regionally famous, and then to have word of him,

673
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 4: like you said about fifty cent, like kind of spread

674
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 4: ahead of before you actually saw him and everything, and

675
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 4: before you followed him on Instagram or whatever else. I think, Yeah,

676
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 4: I mean that he's the end of this era. I

677
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 4: think in a lot of ways for that kind of athlete.

678
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 5: I sometimes think I had that did Maybe I had

679
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 5: that experience with Austin Rivers to some degree, not the same,

680
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 5: certainly not the same, but I remember seeing the Austin

681
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 5: Rivers high school mixtape and being like, what the fuck

682
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 5: is this?

683
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 7: You know what I mean?

684
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 5: I mean that is though, to be fair, that's like

685
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 5: a uniquely elite high school His mixtape is like unique

686
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 5: in that era of like you know him, and but

687
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 5: even that he too, yeah, yeah, I mean John Wall

688
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 5: Mick State. Yeah, it's like, but even those guys were

689
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 5: not They weren't on my radar in the same way.

690
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 7: You know.

691
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 5: It was kind of just like, oh cool, you know

692
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 5: what I mean, like a high school star going on

693
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 5: like a big college.

694
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 7: You know.

695
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 5: That's and that's kind of the vibe now where it's

696
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 5: like you can watch these tapes and that's it, you know.

697
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 5: And for Lebron, it was like a whole thing. The

698
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 5: hummer thing was big, and to see that on the

699
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 5: ground in Ohio was interesting because that came you know,

700
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Speaker 5: I mean, there was a lot of This isn't surprising,

701
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 5: but there was a lot of racism around Lebron by

702
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 5: the time he was a senior, you know what I mean,

703
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 5: Like a lot because Aker Saint Vincent, because of the

704
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 5: region and the conference they played in, because of the

705
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 5: division they were playing in in Ohio, they was just

706
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 5: smoking a lot of white schools from like a lot

707
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 5: of rural areas, and I was beating the fuck out

708
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 5: of these schools, and a lot of parents and a

709
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 5: lot of like fans of these schools were tired of

710
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 5: seeing it happen. And when that Hummer shit jumped off,

711
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 5: and when the Jersey shit jumped off, it was a

712
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 5: real opportunity to kind of be like, oh, he's always

713
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 5: what we thought he was, you know what I mean,

714
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 5: that kind of thing, And so I think about that

715
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 5: a lot. You know, I never felt when bron left Cleveland,

716
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 5: when Brown left the Calves to go to Miami. I

717
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 5: feel like what people don't remember about that time is

718
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 5: yet the Calves lost that Celtic series, and Klavs fans

719
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 5: were talking wild. Cavs fans were on some shit where

720
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,239
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, he can go, we don't need him,

721
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 5: we don't you know. I mean, I was on that

722
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 5: type of shit until he was like, all right, I'm

723
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 5: probably gonna go, and then it was like, well, well,

724
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 5: you know, we don't really mean.

725
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Speaker 1: It, you know what I mean?

726
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were thinking in the comic sans fot, Yeah, for.

727
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 7: Sure, it's wild.

728
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 5: And I think about I have a lot of grace

729
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 5: for Lebron in a way, because I feel like Ohio

730
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 5: has been at times really hostile to him, like when

731
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 5: he was a high school student and it was really

732
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 5: hostile to him. It was really hostile to him after

733
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 5: that Celtics series, and to me, it made sense for

734
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 5: him to leave for a little bit and now they'll

735
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 5: never be hostile to him again. I mean twenty sixteen

736
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 5: cemented that's like a legacy defining thing, you don't, you know,

737
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 5: But before that, I thought he was met with a

738
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 5: lot of unfairness in some realms of his life.

739
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 4: Here can we pause and just appreciate because I had

740
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 4: not thought about it in probably a decade until reading

741
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 4: the passage in your book. Is there a funnier controversy

742
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 4: than the Hummer loan? Like like like like Gloria James

743
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 4: took out a fifty thousand dollars loan or whatever it

744
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 4: was against your son's future earnings, which are now you know,

745
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 4: in the multiple billions of times.

746
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 8: A billion dollar time with one Nike alone lifetime forever.

747
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 4: But at the time, I mean that ship was on

748
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 4: Sports Center, that was like absolutely an H.

749
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: Two And what you said was it's fifty k Like

750
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: like I remember when it was talked about.

751
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 7: I didn't. I wasn't rich enough to even know how

752
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 7: much of Age two costs.

753
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: I thought it was one hundred thousand dollars car, and

754
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: I thought, you know what I'm saying, anybody.

755
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 6: Well be in the Lamborghini. The white motherfuckers was talking

756
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 6: about this shit. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, yeah,

757
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 6: I mean, there's now you going.

758
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 7: I was gonna say.

759
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 5: It's also a very strange car for a high school

760
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 5: to have, like that was I think the the funny

761
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 5: thing for me was that he was like pulling up

762
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 5: to school in this large, unwieldy war machine almost but

763
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 5: you know, the same car that in the wakes the video,

764
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 5: Like you know what I'm saying, Yeah, yeah, it's so strange.

765
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 5: I mean, like that it's a sign of the times

766
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 5: for real, Like every you know, people in my hood

767
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 5: were getting H two, So it was like a sign

768
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 5: of the era. But it's so funny to think of

769
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 5: the poultry amount of money it was. And also if

770
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 5: that were to happen to day, no one would even

771
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 5: I mean with the nil ship and even before the

772
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 5: Nil shot, I feel like no one would even blink

773
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 5: an eye, you know, what I.

774
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 7: Mean, Mikey Williams a dollar car. Bro.

775
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Mikey Williams drive drove like I think in

776
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: the tenth grade, a Lamborghini truck. He had a baby

777
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: blue Lamborghini truck. Bro, would't nobody trip off? No damn

778
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: age two?

779
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So for sure, there's.

780
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: There's there's there's two things I always think about when

781
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: I think about H two and so of course the

782
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: Lebron scandal and the only Tony Yayo bars that I

783
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: ever really liked, where he said I'm blowing H two

784
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: Oh and the A each too with a project chick

785
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: named Rachel.

786
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 5: That ship was so hard, Bro, Toyo said, that's stuff. Absolutely,

787
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 5: you know what Tonyalo. Okay, So like Tony Yo is

788
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 5: not good.

789
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: But okay, I to say, I thought you want to say,

790
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: I'm like less than he needs a great hype man.

791
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: I've always said, I've always said the best I've always

792
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 3: I've always said the best ship Tony Yale's ever said.

793
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 3: I record it's yelling Lloyd Banks when Banks is past,

794
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 3: and like that's that's his contribution.

795
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 7: Great, you need it.

796
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 5: You need a guy like that. Listen, Like we all

797
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 5: understood the framework at Geneven. It like Lloyd Banks was

798
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 5: the good rapper, fifty was like the figurehead. You need

799
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 5: a guy like Tony Yo to just kind of, you know,

800
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 5: just yell every every wrap crew that is made up.

801
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 5: Whenever a rapper gets big and then forms like a crew,

802
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 5: it always follows this blueprint, you know, like not to

803
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 5: bring Saint Louis and the same lunatics and the same ship.

804
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 5: Like Nellie's a figurehead, Murphy Lee's a good rapper. A

805
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 5: He's just like a guy, you know, he just like.

806
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: Having around, you know what I say? With his energy,

807
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: you feel me.

808
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 4: That's your that's your that's your one white kid on

809
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 4: the All Black basketball team. Like you have a very

810
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 4: specific role, but it's an important role.

811
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 5: Like it's important to have good vibes in this in

812
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 5: that kind of scenario, it's important to have a motherfucker

813
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 5: who's just like cool to have around and it won't

814
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 5: start some shit.

815
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 7: I love that I would be that.

816
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 5: I'm sympathetic to those two because I would most likely

817
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 5: be that dude in that sense.

818
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: Everybody can't be Lauryn Hill of wack Cliff. Somebody got

819
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 3: to be prized, bro. I feel like, now, I don't

820
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 3: nobody want to be prized. I feel like, yeah, federal charges, Hey,

821
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: defense putting in work.

822
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 7: Dog.

823
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 3: These motherfuckers haven't banner years like they about to. They

824
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: about to do numbers with Dinny Dog that ship. Hey,

825
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 3: you know we're talking about that twenty sixteen ring Ron

826
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 3: and hey, they about to get their twenty sixteen ring

827
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: with that motherfucker all over that motherfucker.

828
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.

829
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 7: So I want to ask a question real quick. My god.

830
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: My wife wanted me to ask this too, because we

831
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: a lot of times when, like you, I would read

832
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 2: her excerpts from the book, like you gotta hear this shit,

833
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: Like I talk to them about this on Friday, Like

834
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 2: you could open like in the way you write, you

835
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 2: could basically open up to a page and find something

836
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: that'll be like, oh shit, you feel me like no

837
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: matter what.

838
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 7: Page you open up to. So I was like reading

839
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 7: a lot of excerpts.

840
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: To my wife and we were wondering, like, you know,

841
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: how did you like you had to see the world

842
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: in a particular way. Things had to happen in your

843
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: life for you to see the world in the way

844
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: you see it right and write to it in the

845
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: way you write to it, and it made me wonder, like, like,

846
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: when did you become a writer? Like were you a

847
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: writer at the workhouse when you were shooting baskets into

848
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 2: the abyss?

849
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: You know?

850
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: Like, or like did you become a writer after the

851
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 2: experiences you know that you had, did that it pushed

852
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: you into writing?

853
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a good question.

854
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 5: I mean, in some ways I was a writer in

855
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 5: those moments, but I wasn't putting words on the page,

856
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like, I think there's some

857
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 5: who believe you live a full life as a writer

858
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 5: and then you just kind of the material on the

859
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 5: page comes when it comes. I didn't like start writing

860
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 5: writing until like twenty twelve. I didn't put my first

861
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 5: book out until twenty sixteen. So this is what like

862
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 5: six books in eight years. But I think the reason

863
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 5: why this is like my six book in eight years

864
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 5: is because I was writing in the process of those

865
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 5: experiences to be in the workhouse and lay on my

866
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 5: back at night and shoot a ball of white socks

867
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 5: into the darkness and watch the white socks kind of

868
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,959
Speaker 5: become like their own small moon, and then it comes

869
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 5: back down to my own hands, and I'm like holding

870
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 5: this moon in my hands. Even working through and processing

871
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 5: that as an image in real time is a form

872
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 5: of writing, you know what I mean? Now, to think

873
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 5: to put that on the page, Yeah, that doesn't That

874
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 5: didn't occur to me until years later. But I also

875
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 5: think a part of my I'm the youngest of four,

876
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like, and I spent a

877
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 5: lot of time alone, not off of like neglect, it's

878
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 5: just I don't know if y'all any y'all are the youngest. Well,

879
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 5: you're the youngest of four in a house with people

880
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 5: got jobs and lives. You know, you spend a lot

881
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 5: of time alone. And you know, my mom passed when

882
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 5: I was young. There's a lot of time spent with

883
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 5: my own imagination, trying to create a more survivable world

884
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 5: for myself, you know what I mean? And that requires

885
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 5: writing like that requires internal wiring, that is always building

886
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 5: a story, even if you're not putting the story on

887
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 5: a page, which in some ways makes the writing now

888
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 5: easier for me, or it makes the things I'm pulling

889
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 5: from easier for me, because in a way, that language

890
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 5: has been forming itself around my living for as long

891
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 5: as I needed it to survive.

892
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 3: You know, the something I love about your writing is,

893
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's kind of like a tapestry at

894
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 3: times where you're weaving in all these different things into

895
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: like one common core, one common theme. Like like with

896
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 3: the intro, you know, you mentioned the Fab Five when

897
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 3: they baald their heads. You mentioned MJ and the dunk

898
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 3: contest back when he had the Dark Caesar before he

899
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 3: went to the trademark ball. You mentioned how you enjoyed

900
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 3: watching your bald head dad eat dinner because he'd get

901
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 3: really worked up and start like wiping the sweat off

902
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 3: and said right. And you mentioned you mentioned the flame

903
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: you had in high school wounded to the shave her

904
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 3: head like Michelle and de Gachello, and you like wolve

905
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: all that together. The common theme was like, you know,

906
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: fuck the enemies and the outsiders who don't understand us

907
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 3: in our customs, right, we're doing this and fellowship with ourselves, right,

908
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 3: And so like I don't I don't really have a

909
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: question here. I just want to say that I love

910
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 3: that aspect of your writing is how you can just

911
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: take you know, something from here and something from here

912
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: and something from there and just bring it all together

913
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 3: for a comedy and it's fucking brilliant.

914
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 7: Dude, thank you. I appreciate that.

915
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 5: And I was like, so much of that was because

916
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 5: I remember being young at least that section.

917
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 7: I love the Fab Five.

918
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 5: I love them so much, and I remember being that

919
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 5: was like the first basketball team that I related to

920
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 5: in any way. You know, I was very young when

921
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 5: they were falling, but we could see all that because

922
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 5: I was in the Midwest. All their games are on

923
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 5: TV all the time, and they just loved each other.

924
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 5: These dudes were like always, even if you look at

925
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 5: old photos of them now, they're always hugging each other,

926
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 5: always got their arms around each other. And to see

927
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 5: black men be that physically affectionate towards each other at

928
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 5: a young age was cool. But then I would hear

929
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 5: the way that like white announcers would talk about them,

930
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 5: and it was so such a stark difference between what

931
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 5: I was witnessing. Yeah, because I was like, oh, these

932
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 5: dudes are like they love each other, they're affectionate, they're joyful.

933
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 5: And then you'd hear like dig Vy Taylor whoever, be like,

934
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 5: oh they're villains or they're scary, all this type shit,

935
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 5: and that at a very early age of flying for me,

936
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 5: like what an enemy could be, Like, an enemy is

937
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 5: anyone who's acting in opposition to that, you know.

938
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: Right right, Like one of my favorite five five eclips

939
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: is that moment when Jalen Rose and Chris Webber are

940
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 3: forehead to forehead and Jalen Rose is bigging them up,

941
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 3: and you could tell Jalen Roles is telling so She's like,

942
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 3: these motherfuckers can't fuck with you. Your Chris fucking Webber,

943
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 3: you know, go out here and work, you could tell,

944
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 3: and Chris Webber is just like soaking it in and

945
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: that shit scared white people, you know what I'm saying,

946
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: that type of affirmation. Yeah, yeah, so it's yeah, you know,

947
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 3: you know, you know, like I said, fuck your theme

948
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 3: of you know, fuck the outsiders who don't understand our customs.

949
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 3: You know.

950
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, seing that with Andel Reese, you know what

951
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: I mean?

952
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 7: Yeah?

953
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean I like and I think I think

954
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 5: all the time about I mean, Angel Reese is a

955
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 5: very specific kind of player from a very specific kind

956
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 5: of basketball ecosystem. Like people who have not played street

957
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 5: ball in Baltimore or the like in Baltimore or the DMV,

958
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 5: and like I've played street while out there. That's a

959
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 5: very unique basketball climate. To come out of there, takes

960
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 5: a certain to come out of a lot of place,

961
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 5: takes a certain type, but you are a very specific

962
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 5: type of player to come out of there. Angel Reese

963
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 5: is the kind of embodiment of that and the fact

964
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:23,479
Speaker 5: that she is brash and talented. And I don't actually

965
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 5: think Angel Reese is on court. I think it's more

966
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 5: funny than anything like I think. And that is also

967
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 5: like I've had some of the funniest shit talk to

968
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 5: me when I played ball, when I've hooped in like

969
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 5: the DMV area.

970
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 7: There's a lot of comedy of you know what I mean.

971
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have never seen her loser cool while she's talking,

972
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 3: like she calm and told someone in the handshake line

973
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: watch your mouth and kept them moving and the right

974
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 3: like she's funny with it.

975
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 5: There's that clip on her at the free throw line

976
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 5: where the person was talking shit age she turns her

977
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 5: like we are talking to you, you know. And it's

978
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 5: because she's fearless, right, It's because she's not afraid of

979
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 5: these motherfuckers, you know. And to be that light and

980
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 5: quick on your feet when it comes to trash talk,

981
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 5: be it the fab five. I be Angel Reese, be

982
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 5: it even like to some extent, I know he's not black,

983
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 5: but being like Luka doncics right like you that that

984
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 5: requires a level of fearlessness that even if it where

985
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 5: like even if it isn't your day, it's still your day.

986
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 5: You know that clip of Angel Reese talking to a

987
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 5: girl from Tennessee that game she shot like six for

988
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 5: nineteen or something, but it didn't matter because she's Angel Reese.

989
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 5: You know she's done. It's her day. She's done the

990
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 5: work already. And you know, I think tuning people to

991
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 5: what that what that is like is maybe not our job.

992
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 5: I like, I'm not If you don't understand, you just

993
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 5: have to sit on the outside.

994
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 3: You know.

995
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 4: Do you guys have more book questions? Or can we

996
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 4: talk NBA for a couple of minutes.

997
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: Let's let's let's talk NBA, Let's talk rap. I'm curious

998
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 3: on whereas at with the J Cole Kendrick.

999
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 7: I want to get.

1000
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 5: Yes, let's talk about let's talk about the kendrickship, because

1001
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 5: I just heard the J Cole thing like on my

1002
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 5: way I just land in Columbus like a couple hours ago,

1003
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 5: and I listened to him, and I got off the

1004
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 5: plane and I thought, well, this isn't the Simpsons line

1005
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 5: was bad, I thought. But also I'm having I'm having

1006
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 5: a hard time. I know that people is like clowning

1007
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 5: online because what are the rat blogs posted, like here's

1008
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 5: Kendrick's first album a second? But I actually don't know

1009
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 5: how J Cole is assessing this, like is he saying

1010
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 5: section eighty? Is he starting a section eighty or is

1011
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 5: he's starting a good Kid Mad City because that's a

1012
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 5: different conversation. I would like to have a different conversation

1013
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 5: about the with the J Cole metric, if that's what

1014
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 5: we're talking.

1015
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: But uh, I think it's he got to be starting

1016
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 3: with with with good King Massie. No way he'd say

1017
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 3: was born.

1018
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that was my that's my like, that's my

1019
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 5: logical take. I will say it felt like JA Cole

1020
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 5: actually did not want to do this, and it kind

1021
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 5: of felt a little bit like Kendrick was mostly just

1022
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 5: trying to poke Drake and J Cole just happened to

1023
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 5: be there, you know what I mean, Like one of

1024
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 5: those things where like you know, somebody punches your homie

1025
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 5: and then they fall into you and now you're in

1026
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 5: the fight too. It feels like Kendrick like really just

1027
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 5: wanted want to Drake, and then j Cole was just

1028
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 5: kind of because of the whole first person shoot a thing,

1029
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 5: Jake Cole was just in the orbit. But the problem is,

1030
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 5: Drake isn't gonna rap. We all know Drake is gonna

1031
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 5: do his little motivational speeches on stage, He's gonna do

1032
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 5: a little funny memes on Instagram. He's not gonna rap.

1033
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 5: It's but Jake Cole will. And so my hope is

1034
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 5: that we finally we have some like prolonged responses I think,

1035
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 5: and focused responses too, like not just hopping on a

1036
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 5: on a verse or hopping or dropping.

1037
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 7: So have a song.

1038
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 5: I miss an era of battle where full on songs

1039
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 5: were dedicated to this ship. Say what you will about

1040
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 5: the last time Drake was in some shit like this,

1041
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 5: but at least him and push A T gave us

1042
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 5: a couple of songs, like a couple of full songs

1043
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 5: where they dedicated Well, that's not true. Drake gave us

1044
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 5: a full song for Meek Mill, push a Treat, push

1045
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 5: a T gave us a full song for Drake. That's

1046
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 5: kind of what it should be. I feel like and

1047
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 5: I miss that, and I hope that this leads to

1048
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 5: that because I do. I'm I'm I'm an optimist on

1049
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 5: the abilities of both Ja Cole and Kendrick. I think

1050
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 5: they both can rap. I think it would be good

1051
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 5: for mainstream rap if they spent some time, some real

1052
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 5: focused time pushing each other around a bit and don't

1053
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 5: even consider it, like move Drake from the orbit of

1054
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 5: this conversation, because that motherfucker is not gonna get in

1055
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 5: the studio. He's not built for this kind of thing anymore.

1056
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 7: Uh.

1057
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 5: I think I think there was a point where he

1058
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 5: was honestly, I really I you know what, I think

1059
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 5: Charged Up is a good song. I was in the

1060
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 5: on the camp where it's like, I think charged Up

1061
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 5: was like a good discs sack, a good dis track.

1062
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 5: I think he did his thing on that. The problem is,

1063
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 5: I think the push a t thing has a I

1064
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 5: think that's like forever stunted Drake. Yeah, it's a point

1065
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 5: where like it's scarred him. He's still mad about it.

1066
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 5: He's still very emotional about it. On that like stupid

1067
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 5: ass Travis Scott song, he had that emotional lass Ver.

1068
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 5: It's about melting down for L's jewelry and shit like that.

1069
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 5: It's like, man, nobody actually cares about that if you're

1070
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 5: not gonna rap, you know what I mean, Like nobody

1071
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 5: cares about your We'll say, I feel like it's a

1072
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 5: it's an earl sweatshirt of Vince Staples thing.

1073
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 7: It's like, Nigga, we don't care how we how you feel,

1074
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 7: want just rap you feel me and so yeah, but

1075
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 7: I love.

1076
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 5: I mean, I think Jake Cole's when an incredible run

1077
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 5: uh and I'm I'm eager. I'm eager to hear him

1078
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 5: like dedicate an actual full song to this ship and

1079
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 5: Kendrick as well.

1080
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: These have just been jabs. It just it just felt

1081
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 2: like these are just jabs. They're feeling each other out,

1082
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, You're seeing how somebody reacts

1083
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 2: and then we go and get what we really get.

1084
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: I don't think I I think I don't think I.

1085
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 7: Think j Cole truly respects Kendrick.

1086
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 2: I don't think he really thinks Kendrick's albums are garbage.

1087
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: I think he I think this was more like Nigga,

1088
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: you ain't who they say you are. I'm really like

1089
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: that you feel me, and I'm not the one to

1090
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: fuck with that's what he's saying. And I respect that

1091
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 2: as a nigga who's seen that and maybe even said

1092
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: that a couple of times, you know what I mean.

1093
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes I believe it.

1094
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 6: Sometimes I didn't, but I've said it, you know what

1095
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 6: I'm saying.

1096
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: So like, but uh, but yeah, I feel like that,

1097
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: and I think that's Hey, that's what we want in rap,

1098
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: whether you know what I mean. And so I'm cool

1099
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 2: with what was said on both sides. Like you said, though,

1100
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: I would like a whole like, let's let's let's drop

1101
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 2: an album if you have if you can't, or just

1102
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: or just at least a song. We're like, hey, you

1103
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: know what I mean, I'm going straight at you. Ain't no,

1104
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: ain't no playing around about it. I'm not pretending like

1105
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: I'm saying this. I'm going straight at you about the

1106
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: ship and we're going and we let's let's see who's

1107
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: better and and and I think between the two of them,

1108
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: if one.

1109
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: Is better, they're so good.

1110
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,439
Speaker 7: Nobody loses. I think Drake.

1111
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 2: I think Drake really lost to push her t because

1112
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: he's a bitch, you.

1113
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: Know what I mean, Not because not because push.

1114
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 4: It just destroyed me.

1115
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 7: Just he just he didn't swing back. You got pushing

1116
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 7: the face and you walked away.

1117
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1118
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 2: I've seen niggas get they ass beat, but if you

1119
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: fight back, you ain't.

1120
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 4: You ain't.

1121
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: You ain't a bitch to me.

1122
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

1123
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: Niggas lose fights, you feel me. But if you get

1124
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 2: you walked away the whole with me.

1125
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 4: No more, you know what I'm saying, the whole, the

1126
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 4: whole like he won't let me release this, like you know, Yeah,

1127
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 4: was worse than.

1128
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 7: Not reading by That's embarrassing. That was embarrassed, absolutely embarrassing.

1129
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, and Lebron you heard it before you heard this,

1130
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 8: you wouldn't you know what I mean?

1131
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: On the shop you heard this.

1132
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 7: Doesn't drop this should I?

1133
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: Oh Man put a team when I went on Joe

1134
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 3: put a team on Joe Buddshill was like somebody telling

1135
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 3: me I can't release musical.

1136
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 7: You fucking crazy?

1137
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 5: Like exactly what it is is more than just like

1138
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 5: him being seeming. You're a grown man and you're an

1139
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 5: more than that. More than that, you're an artist. That's

1140
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 5: you have a responsibility as an artist to yourself awesome.

1141
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 5: Even if someone this is you or if someone If

1142
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 5: you've created something that you believe in and you're letting

1143
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 5: someone else tell you can't put that ship out, you

1144
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 5: failed as an artist. Fuck it, failing as like a man,

1145
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 5: or failing as someone who needs to fire back. You

1146
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 5: failed as an artist. If you've created something that you

1147
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 5: actually feel powerful about and you feel like it has

1148
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 5: could have an impact on the culture in any way,

1149
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 5: and you have decided that someone else can be the

1150
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 5: arbiter of whether or not you put that shit out,

1151
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 5: you're failing as an artist. And I think also you're losing.

1152
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 5: I mean, at this point, Drake is so big that

1153
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 5: it doesn't actually matter if he loses a respect of

1154
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 5: certain audiences because he has like a built in fan base.

1155
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 5: But that also is how complacency is built. And the

1156
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 5: thing that we're seeing I think with Kendrick and j

1157
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 5: Cole that I'm interested in is that they're not complacent.

1158
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 5: They have built in fan bases. They certainly are built

1159
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 5: in fan bases that will continue to feed them, but

1160
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 5: they're they're not They might be and they might be

1161
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 5: satisfied by that, but they're not letting that govern how

1162
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 5: they move and if someone takes a jab at you,

1163
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 5: if someone effectively says I wish a nigga would, then

1164
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 5: you gotta be you might be like, hey, I might

1165
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 5: fulfill that wish, you know, I mean, like to sit

1166
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 5: back and let that fly past you and do nothing

1167
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 5: is treason us to the art form. It's not just

1168
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 5: treason us to whatever like machismo you're rocking with or whatever.

1169
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 5: It's treats in this to the art form that you

1170
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 5: purport to love.

1171
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean, there's no way you convinced me.

1172
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 3: Drake just wasn't shook too, because you know what I'm saying, Like,

1173
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 3: like you know, at the end of Story of adad

1174
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 3: On push your t you know, hinted, bro, I'm waiting

1175
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 3: on you to come back because I got some more

1176
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 3: I got some more.

1177
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 7: Singers for your ass. But as far as.

1178
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 3: The j Cole response to to Kendrick, that just dropped.

1179
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 3: I feel like the approach that Ja Cole took was

1180
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 3: he was going to parrot all of the criticisms that

1181
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 3: Kendrick got on social media, and he was like, I'm

1182
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 3: telling you this as an artist, that these criticisms are valid.

1183
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying and I feel like I

1184
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 3: feel like the the wrinkle there is people try to

1185
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 3: hurt people in ways that would hurt them. And you know,

1186
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 3: j Cole is a fucking online punchline right like like

1187
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 3: he knows he might know for he knows first saying

1188
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 3: how much you know the little social media jokes thing

1189
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 3: and shit like we heard the bar he had. You know,

1190
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 3: some niggas make money, some niggas make means where he

1191
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 3: was like, you know, he's very well aware of how

1192
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 3: he's like kind of a you know, a joke of

1193
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 3: being a boring rapper on on online and he came

1194
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: right back with that to Kendrick and call Kendrick boring

1195
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 3: because I know that boring shit stings him. And the

1196
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 3: funny shit is, if you're calling to pipp A Butterfly boring, bro.

1197
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: That is the most j cole esque album in Kendrick's deography,

1198
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 3: Like Jake Cole could have made that album.

1199
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 7: Bro.

1200
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 4: J Cole listened to and fell to his knees in

1201
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 4: prayer like I just want to make one thing like this.

1202
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 3: Yeah so but but but yeah, you know, you know,

1203
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 3: like John said, these are just jabs. I don't think

1204
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 3: anyone's gonna be crazy enough to hop out there first

1205
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 3: and give Kendrick a whole fucking track, right, that's a

1206
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 3: fucking death wish. And honestly, I think Kendrick is just

1207
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 3: on some shit, Like I don't think he needs to

1208
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 3: prove himself and hop out fan and drop a whole track,

1209
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 3: Like I think this is probably the deepest it's gonna get.

1210
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 7: Bro.

1211
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 5: Also, Kendrick maybe was getting a little annoyed with being

1212
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 5: lumped in with Drake and J Cole and because it

1213
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 5: didn't seem like he was It didn't seem like he

1214
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 5: was ever that interested or at least not recently that

1215
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 5: interested in being in their company, you know what I mean.

1216
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 5: And so it was it's like that shit where like,

1217
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 5: you know, these people aren't my friend, these people aren't

1218
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 5: the homies, you know, like Drake and J Coler homie. Sure,

1219
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 5: but or at least it seems like that is the case.

1220
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 5: But these aren't the homies, and they're just out here

1221
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 5: acting like we're it equals and but.

1222
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 4: But but we've talked about this. Kendrick did not grow

1223
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 4: up as a fucking child actor in Canada, Like, of course,

1224
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 4: he doesn't want to be lumped in with those people.

1225
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 4: He's not doing research on Wikipedia to write about this

1226
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 4: shit he's writing about. If I was Kendrick, I wouldn't

1227
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 4: want to be lumped in with them either.

1228
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, but I mean yeah.

1229
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: But also I think I think Kendrick doesn't see himself

1230
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 2: as like just a rapper. He sees himself as a

1231
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 2: fucking artist. I'm different from y'all niggas, y'all here just rapping.

1232
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: The way he makes music and he approaches it is

1233
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: so fucking different, you feel me? Like, So I just

1234
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: feel like, even look at what he's doing with PG Lane,

1235
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, the amount of creative creativity

1236
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 2: he puts it. He's a true artist. So I'm just like, Yo,

1237
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: what y'all doing is cool. You make good bars, But

1238
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: I'm way bigger than that nigga.

1239
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: You feel me?

1240
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 7: So I think like, I'm not.

1241
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm not.

1242
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 7: I'm not.

1243
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: And also like.

1244
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: With the with the drag shit, I do think j

1245
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 2: Cole takes very very seriously right, you know what I mean,

1246
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 2: It's very important him. He's not complacent. Drake is Drake's

1247
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,919
Speaker 2: last joint. I said that could be AI music. AI

1248
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 2: could write what he does. You know, I feel like

1249
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: you can put the ship and you know, in in

1250
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: a in a in a AI joined it and and

1251
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: it would have made that album.

1252
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: You feel me?

1253
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 2: But I feel like, uh, you know, Kendrick's like Kendrick,

1254
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: you know, just thinks about the game totally different it

1255
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 2: thinks about His approach to the music is so different.

1256
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 2: I don't compare me to fucking nobody. And I think

1257
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 2: he's on that type of shit.

1258
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 3: You feel me, Yeah, It's it's like, you know something interesting.

1259
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: Here is a track I really really fucking loved was

1260
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 3: Kendrick and Baby King's Beverly Hill Belly shit and yeah

1261
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 3: a heater right. And the thing is that was low

1262
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 3: key a shot at Drake's sticky track off of Honestly

1263
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 3: Nevermind right, Like like Keem used kind of the same

1264
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 3: flow that that that Drake is on that track. And

1265
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 3: for one, I fucking love how Baby Keen has has

1266
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 3: thrown shots at Drake because there was a time where

1267
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 3: where Drake went on rap Radar with Kelly Wilson. He

1268
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 3: was like, Yo, I love this Baby Keem album Die

1269
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 3: for My Bitch and Baby King just like after that,

1270
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 3: Baby Keeam just started throwing shots a Drake, like nah,

1271
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 3: big because don't fuck with you.

1272
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 7: So it's fuck it, you know, you know what I'm saying.

1273
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 3: And I love that about baby Key right right, Yeah,

1274
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 3: that's that's little cousin energy right there for sure. And

1275
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 3: it's just like like on that Beverly Hill Billy strack,

1276
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 3: it feels like they're having fun and they're like, bro,

1277
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 3: we're just clowning and this is the music this dude

1278
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 3: makes for real, you know what I'm saying. I feel

1279
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 3: like that was kind of the subtext on that, you

1280
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So, so, Kendrick for sure thinks

1281
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 3: he's the better artist. I think Kendrick takes takes, you know,

1282
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 3: of fence when people try to lump him with Drake

1283
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 3: because you know, like you said, John, I think Kendrick

1284
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 3: wholehardly believes he's by far the better artists.

1285
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 5: And he's right, Yeah, I would say he's correct there, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1286
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 5: Drake's the better hit maker, but you know, yeah, yeah,

1287
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 5: he's the biggest star.

1288
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: Kendrick's the better artist. Is not even close to me,

1289
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

1290
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 4: So, honey, do you have a couple of minutes to

1291
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 4: talk basketball?

1292
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 5: Well, it's always got a couple of minute talk basketball.

1293
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 5: That's a good time for me to talk basketball. It's

1294
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 5: a good good time.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say yes as we're recording this, because

1296
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 4: it's going to come out after you guys play the Suns,

1297
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 4: and who knows where the standings will be at that point.

1298
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 4: But at the moment on Friday, April fifth, as we're

1299
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 4: recording this, the Timberwolves are the one seed in the West.

1300
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 4: How do you feel about that? And how are you

1301
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 4: How are you someone who came on this podcast and

1302
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 4: said that hope is not a part of your process,

1303
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 4: it's being a sports fan. How are you dealing with

1304
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 4: this season as a Timberwolves fan?

1305
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 7: Now, I'm hopeful, you know, I sit. I mean, now

1306
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 7: I got no choice but to be a little hopeful.

1307
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 5: I will say, I mean, apparently Cats had a schedule

1308
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 5: and so Catt'll be back, like right at the beginning

1309
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 5: of the playoffs, or maybe even right before. I loved

1310
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 5: hearing that I'm a little bit the West. This year

1311
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 5: feels tougher than maybe it has been in a long time.

1312
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 5: Like if you look at the standings, the Sun's I

1313
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 5: think once the Sun's getting the playoffs, that's gonna be

1314
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 5: a different team, and so I really would like to

1315
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 5: avoid playing the Suns in the playoffs. But I would

1316
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 5: like to avoid playing most of these motherfuckers in the playoffs, honestly.

1317
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 5: Like I think the Timberwls matchup against the Kings, well,

1318
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 5: I think it could beat the Kings in the first round.

1319
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,919
Speaker 5: I think they could beat the Warriors in the first round.

1320
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 5: I just don't believe the Warriors are Like hate to

1321
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 5: say this because Steph is still generational, like playing at

1322
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 5: a generational level, but I don't believe in them. I

1323
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 5: just don't believe in that team. I know they looked

1324
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 5: good last night, but I don't believe in that team.

1325
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 5: But outside of that, it's like I don't want to

1326
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 5: play any of these teams in the first round, Like,

1327
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 5: you know, definitely want to avoid the Nuggets and Thunder

1328
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 5: for as long as you can. But outside of that,

1329
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 5: like the Clippers, I don't like that matchup with the

1330
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 5: Clippers either. I don't really like, you know, none of

1331
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 5: these teams. All of them kind of make me a

1332
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,439
Speaker 5: little bit nervous. But I'm just amazed that the Timberwolves,

1333
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 5: They're almost certainly going to finish in the top three.

1334
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 5: I think they're I gotta look at standis so I

1335
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 5: think they're guaranteed to finish top three. This is maybe

1336
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 5: the best Timberwolves team. I know this is not the

1337
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 5: MVP year team. Most tim Roles fans will say that's

1338
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 5: the best ten rules team. I think this is maybe

1339
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 5: the best ten rules team we've ever had, and playoff

1340
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 5: success will determine that. Like that KG team got to

1341
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 5: the Western Conference finals, but I think it was a

1342
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 5: I don't know, I'm gonna be careful here, but I

1343
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 5: think it was a I don't want to say it

1344
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 5: was a worse West, but it was a different West.

1345
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 5: I think if this Timberwls team even wins like a

1346
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 5: couple series in this Western Conference, that's that's They're the

1347
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 5: best ten Roles team of all time for me.

1348
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1349
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 5: But nonetheless, it's been a fun regular season. It's been

1350
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 5: like an impossibly fun regular season. This team is who

1351
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 5: knows next year. It feels like this team maybe has

1352
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 5: one more year together, if even that, and then you

1353
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 5: kind of got to start picking in the part.

1354
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 7: But uh, what a run. Yeah, it's incredible.

1355
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're saying Kat might be back for the playoffs. Man,

1356
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:49,479
Speaker 3: that would be huge.

1357
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 5: Bro it'll be huge, Yeah, I think, you know, yeah,

1358
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 5: because the offense, I mean one thing that's that's going

1359
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 5: under the radar because they have been still winning without him.

1360
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 5: With the offense without him is is pretty pretty bad.

1361
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 5: I mean, it's like some of these games, like I

1362
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 5: don't know how they're winning. Some of these games are

1363
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 5: winning like nine putting up ninety points. Still it's a

1364
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 5: testament to the defense. But like they need they need

1365
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 5: Cat back. That offense is really a struggle because you

1366
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 5: know what I love about Ann Edwards is what a

1367
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 5: lot of people love about him is that he on

1368
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 5: any given night can go off for forty, but on

1369
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 5: any given night he can also shoot like six for

1370
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 5: twenty one. And what was great about having Cat in

1371
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 5: the lineup is that he's just you know, cats are

1372
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 5: guaranteed like twenty to twenty five points on over fifty

1373
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 5: percent shooting, like every night, you know what I mean.

1374
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 5: So if you need a guy who can just get

1375
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 5: you a pretty consistent sixty percent chance you're gonna make

1376
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 5: a kind of a bucket, you need that guy in

1377
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 5: the lineup because no one else is that. But you

1378
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 5: know what I mean, no one else on that lineup

1379
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 5: is that.

1380
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 4: Guy, John Tyler, your feelings if it's Lakers Timberwolves in

1381
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 4: the first round, which could which is.

1382
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 7: Right now, it's a possibility.

1383
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh come on now, it's it's brown all day

1384
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 3: on this side, smacking.

1385
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: The niggas up.

1386
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 8: Sorry, my boy, I much respect to tune that thang up,

1387
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 8: my boy, you hear me.

1388
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 7: It was a great year. There's always next year.

1389
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 5: Always, that's a matchup that I don't want either because

1390
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 5: because I mean healthy a D. You know, he'd be

1391
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,439
Speaker 5: putting Go Beart in hell, you know, like we've seen

1392
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 5: it enough, and Go Beart has had a season like

1393
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 5: Go Beart is like certainly defense Player of the Year

1394
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 5: has had I think, maybe the best season of his career.

1395
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 5: But a D gives him I mean, a D just

1396
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 5: gives him fit, you know what I mean. So I'm

1397
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 5: not trying to see that ship for seven games or

1398
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 5: however many games it takes. I'm just not trying to

1399
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 5: see it. But I will say, I don't you know

1400
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 5: Brian and a D or Brian and a D. I

1401
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 5: think I don't know the rest of that Lakers roster

1402
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 5: is it's a little tricky for me, A little tricky

1403
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 5: for me, But I.

1404
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 3: Mean, yeah, it's tricky as hell for Darvin Ham, I'll

1405
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 3: tell you that, motherfucker so.

1406
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 7: But but but building.

1407
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 3: On that, bro, like I don't I think I'm still

1408
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 3: drinking the kool a because bron is still so fucking good.

1409
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 3: I still think, you know, you know, right, I still

1410
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 3: thinking in the seven game series, I think they've got

1411
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 3: a shot.

1412
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 7: Against any fucking body.

1413
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 3: Dude, I think they are just a fucking player's mute

1414
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 3: and me away and telling Darvin Ham, give us the

1415
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 3: motherfucking clay board. You know, give us the mother fucking clipboard.

1416
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 3: We're gonna figure shit out. You know, I really think

1417
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 3: that that that, Like I said, we've seen fucking how

1418
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 3: incredible Bron is, We've seen how incredible ideas. I still

1419
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 3: think they've got as good a shot against anybody, and

1420
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 3: an of course, man, and.

1421
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 8: Particularly young teams that aren't you know what I'm saying,

1422
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 8: Like the Nuggets, I wouldn't like like like Mike said,

1423
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 8: that's a professional basketball team.

1424
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 7: I don't know about that capital P professional. But like, okay,

1425
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 7: see you know what I'm saying.

1426
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: The Timbos, where.

1427
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 7: Like you know, they're kind of young, tested, I think

1428
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 7: we could pull that off. For sure. I do think

1429
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 7: the coaching. You know, it's funny.

1430
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 5: All early in the season, I wasn't watching as many

1431
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 5: Laker games just because it's time zone shit, and so

1432
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 5: I was seeing everybody be like, man, Darvin Ham, don't

1433
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 5: know what the fuck he's I was seeing, and that

1434
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 5: was growing to like a fever pitch, and I was like,

1435
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,479
Speaker 5: I mean, how bad can it be? And I watched

1436
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 5: one of them games out, Oh, buddy, is that? What's

1437
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 5: The rotations don't make sense sometimes, like in late game situations,

1438
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 5: I'm like, what is this motherfucker even drawn on the

1439
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 5: clip Like is he's just drawing stick figures? Like what

1440
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 5: is he doing on the clipboard? It's baffling to me

1441
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 5: that he is employed, you know what I mean? And

1442
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 5: I know that it is what it is. We all know, like,

1443
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 5: you know, you know, bron in some ways is the

1444
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 5: coach on the court and off the court, I'm sure,

1445
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 5: but iron Ham like he is stealing checks for at

1446
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 5: this point, He's just like, man, is this stealing money?

1447
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, since Braun basically led a player

1448
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 4: mutiny to put Ruey in the starting lineup, take Tory

1449
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 4: and Prince out of it, I believe since then, I

1450
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 4: think D'Angelo Russell is in the top three in the

1451
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 4: league in three point shooting, and I believe the Lakers

1452
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 4: are twenty two and ten. But it took Lebron James

1453
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 4: to go to the coach and say, suggestion, what if

1454
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 4: we played our best basketball players.

1455
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,439
Speaker 3: I feel like I feel like Tory and Prince got

1456
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,439
Speaker 3: it the worst of everybody, because when they picked Tory

1457
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 3: Prince up, I was like, that's a great pick up,

1458
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 3: great piece right there. Dalbournham was like, I've got a

1459
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 3: franchise player, no nor no bro six three seven threes

1460
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 3: a game. That's what we need, you know what I mean.

1461
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's rough, it's rough.

1462
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 5: You know, I don't know if he'll be there next season,

1463
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 5: But I do also think that, uh, you know, it's

1464
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 5: I imagine coaching any Lebron team has its challenges because

1465
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 5: Lebron is, oftentimes I think, thinking so far ahead of

1466
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 5: the coach, the smartest mine on the side, right, and

1467
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 5: he's like, he's so we've seen this Lebron before. Where

1468
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 5: like sometimes teams are like, let's just bring in a

1469
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 5: game manager, but the rest of the players don't need

1470
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 5: a game that, you know what I mean, like the

1471
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 5: rest of the players actually need structure or need it.

1472
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 5: Sometimes it's like, I think what Mike Brown has done

1473
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 5: as Sacramento is really admirable, and like, you know, he's

1474
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 5: really revived that team. He couldn't really coach Lebron that well,

1475
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 5: certainly not as well as he's doing in Sacramento, And so,

1476
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 5: you know, sometimes it's just a fit thing. And I

1477
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 5: don't know if Darvin Ham will be there next season,

1478
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 5: but I hope that he hoped that his career as

1479
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 5: a head coach is not over, because I think he

1480
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 5: could be a good fit just somewhere else a couple

1481
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 5: of years down the road.

1482
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1483
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 8: I love to see black man winning, but just not

1484
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 8: over here. I don't want to I want to voice

1485
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 8: a black man out of a job. It's hard enough

1486
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 8: out here. I get it, bro Hey, get you a

1487
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 8: job somewhere else with you.

1488
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 5: I was feeling like that about I was feeling like

1489
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 5: that about Money Williams earlier season. I was like, damn,

1490
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 5: I don't want to. I don't want to wish a

1491
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 5: black man out of employment. But this this motherfucker might

1492
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 5: have to go, you know, for.

1493
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 7: He'll be just fine.

1494
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 3: Dude.

1495
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 7: You will be just fine.

1496
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 4: All right, Well, uh, if you love the podcast, please

1497
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 4: we are begging you. Go by. There's always this year

1498
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 4: on basketball and essentially far so so so such a

1499
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 4: great good and we always appreciate you you nudging your

1500
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 4: PR team to make sure that we're part of your

1501
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 4: your plans. This has been great having on.

1502
01:03:59,440 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 7: Thank you.

1503
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 5: Always appreciate Charles always man, it's always got to say

1504
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 5: my boy.

1505
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 4: M hm.

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Speaker 3: The volume m hm.