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Speaker 3: I undercover crips. What's up going in hard Teagan Broadwater

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Speaker 3: on the show. Welcome to the show, Teagan. Yes, oh bro,

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Speaker 3: you're flashing that. Oh yeah, you learned it. You learned

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Speaker 3: the sign. Oh yeah, I didn't put this on. It's red,

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Speaker 3: it's not blue case. So crips are blue. Blood's are red. Right,

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Speaker 3: Let's just be clear.

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Speaker 4: That's true. That's true.

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Speaker 3: But Tigan, something that we all have inside of us

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Speaker 3: is red at the end of the day, is right,

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Speaker 3: That's true. Right, No matter if you saw a crypt

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Speaker 3: shot or a blood shot, they probably all had red blood.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure he insulted somebody somehow saying that. But you're

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Speaker 3: Exactly yes, And I'm trying to get at that. You

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Speaker 3: just want to say, you know, gang wars are you know,

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Speaker 3: to them, it's so serious that it's life or death

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Speaker 3: if you're wearing a color and you could be just

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Speaker 4: That's still here, It's.

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Speaker 2: Still going on, right, That's not a joke.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I preferenced it like these are sons

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Speaker 3: wont to now real quick about Tigan his little bio.

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Speaker 3: Tigan is a creative CEO, a musician, an entrepreneur, a philanthropist,

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Speaker 3: and an author of Life in the fish Bowl, the

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Speaker 3: one of the nation's most notorious crips and his cultural

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Speaker 3: awakening amidst a poor, gang infested neighborhood. In two thousand

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Speaker 3: he launched Tactical Systems Network, LLC, which is a high

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Speaker 3: end security protection, consulting and investigation firm. Tigan's unique background

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Speaker 2: So welcome again to the show, Teagan.

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Speaker 3: And it's nice that you have a support group with

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Speaker 2: And yes, I wish she was at once. Oh I

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Speaker 3: And rails is not referring to cocaine. We're not talking

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Speaker 3: approach a conversation about cocaine. Okay, So I learned that.

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Speaker 3: just tell me you were a young man wanted to

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Speaker 2: Is that how it started in your life?

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Speaker 5: Since the fourth grade, I was an inspiring musician and

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Speaker 5: So actually that's what I did until my late twos,

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Speaker 3: But what what music are you playing here?

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Speaker 2: Like, tell me the style of genre that you enjoy.

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Speaker 5: But you know, we'd have a session and then everyone's

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, it's on your time, Yeah exactly. You're like, hey, man,

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Speaker 2: No. I've been in studios with guys.

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Speaker 3: I've been behind the board while they're recording and people

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Speaker 3: We're at the OZMA studios here in Provo, Utah, and

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Speaker 3: that is traveling or just got done with Australia.

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Speaker 2: Love it, so love it. So that.

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Speaker 3: Oh bro, it's crazy, you know, to see just to

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Speaker 3: know what you're talking about, right, It's like you said,

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Speaker 3: their time. It's like, well, you're literally in the middle

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Speaker 3: and you guys want to jet and he's still like

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Speaker 3: you lay down the track. Yeah, it's crazy and so

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Speaker 3: that's cool, bro. I love rock and roll, obviously there

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Speaker 3: it is. Okay, there's a connection between you and me.

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Speaker 3: I I do love rock and roll.

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Speaker 4: And what do you like?

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Speaker 3: I listened to well the Used, uh nine Schnails, Uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, Pink Floyd. Uh, you know, just to kind

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Speaker 3: of give you. I like Taylor Swift a lot. I

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Speaker 3: I'm currently rocking out to like, you know, Refused. If

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Speaker 3: Agreed, Agreed, and a friend of mine Bert McCracken. He's

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Speaker 2: Those guys, Yeah, they're great. You know.

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Speaker 4: Over the top. But it's musical.

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Speaker 5: But it was the closest thing that I could relate

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Speaker 5: Yeah, obviously I respect the fact that's a one eighty,

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Speaker 4: I just started thinking of all kinds of whack of things.

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Speaker 3: Right, you call yourself whacked because it's so whack, bro,

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Speaker 5: And we deemed at the Fishbowl because every time you

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Speaker 5: And so the city council got together and said.

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Speaker 5: So there's just nothing happening there. And by that time

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Speaker 5: And that was when I had this amazing epiphany of

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Speaker 5: Most people don't do long term undercover deals anymore. They

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Speaker 3: Just about two years undercover as this high profile dealer

438
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,919
Speaker 3: trying to root the main person out. And now, if

439
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 3: I read a little bit, that person that you reference

440
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,360
Speaker 3: is someone who is not dumb. There's people that are

441
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 3: super smart. They're just disenfranchised growing up and what they

442
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,880
Speaker 3: learn is the streets, but they learn them with almost

443
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 3: a doctorate of college aptitude of how to do this.

444
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 3: And they're like, hey, man, if you would have gone

445
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 3: to college, you would have been this, but instead or

446
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 3: whatever it is, if you would have chose any other path,

447
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 3: you would have been just as good, but instead you

448
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 3: were you know, you know, you chose your choice, which

449
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 3: is you know, being the crit Yeah.

450
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, very well.

451
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 5: Put these kids in these poor neighborhoods that grow around

452
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 5: Gangland have a ceiling and they just feel like, you know,

453
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 5: normal corporate jobs are like not even in the cards.

454
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 5: So everything that they consider they get from watching their

455
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 5: cousins or their friends up the street. We're making twelve

456
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 5: hundred bucks a week moving dope or selling guns or

457
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 5: pimpin or whatever, and that's kind of the pinnacle of

458
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,479
Speaker 5: success for them. And so that's what you know when

459
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 5: you get a smart one and you don't have a

460
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 5: father figure or any kind of mentor that shifts you

461
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 5: in a direction that shows you do that there's.

462
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 4: Not a ceiling. It's going to be.

463
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 5: A hard road, but there's a road. Then they take

464
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,479
Speaker 5: the harder one. And you know, in this case, this

465
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 5: guy was a trip from a very early age at

466
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 5: a real estate license, owned car lots and storage facilities

467
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 5: and everything else was you know, and I will put

468
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 5: a footnote because most of us can't completely relate to

469
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 5: this kingpin, but you got to the trade off is, hey,

470
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 5: I'm going to go give twenty years in prison at

471
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 5: some point, but he's also calling about two hundred grand

472
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,239
Speaker 5: a week, which is not what normal people pull at

473
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 5: a corporate job. So that trade off I don't think

474
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 5: most of us would take anyone, but not that he

475
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 5: saw it the writing on the wall. But they all

476
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 5: talk pretty candidly about like I know there's going to

477
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 5: be jail time in my life, and that's just kind

478
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 5: of how I live. But I think a lot of

479
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 5: it's because they just feel like they're forced into choosing

480
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 5: the best of two evils, as opposed to realizing there's

481
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 5: a straight or path right.

482
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 3: And they can even be a nice person and like

483
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 3: just have a really good genesse qua about themselves, like

484
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 3: an oracle. You're like, hey, this guy's great. Why would

485
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,959
Speaker 3: I turn him in? You know, look what he provides

486
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 3: everybody bread on the block.

487
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 4: Exactly, it's exactly exactly right.

488
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 5: And especially when they're good people, it makes it more

489
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 5: difficult even for people like me, because you know, I

490
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 5: learned in short order. You know, look, people from different cultures,

491
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 5: we know that we should have better understanding and everything.

492
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 5: But I think as even a community of people who

493
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 5: are in the middle, I think it's we agree that criminals,

494
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 5: and especially violent criminals, are people that we want to eradicate,

495
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 5: you know, from our communities. But even in this case,

496
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 5: being around violent criminals for this long period of time,

497
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 5: I found so much humanity and commonality. It was pretty remarkable. Now,

498
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 5: a lot of these guys are need be locked away forever,

499
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 5: but an amazingly high number of those guys you know

500
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 5: when you talked about the same thing music and what

501
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 5: music canto?

502
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 4: What football team do you like?

503
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 5: Man, We're gonna sit down and play Madden and share

504
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 5: Magnum forty. And I got as much street cred playing

505
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 5: Madden as I did actually move in Aequila.

506
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 4: I really did.

507
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 3: I totally believe you one hundred percent. Like what you're

508
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 3: saying resonates. I'm a kid of the nineties, you know,

509
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 3: growing up. I graduated in ninety five, ninety six, So

510
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 3: Madden on the I totally and in two thousand and

511
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 3: two thousand and five six seven.

512
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: Dude, it's yeah, that's what's on. It's Madden.

513
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 3: Yes, they're just looking at you like okay, well, you know,

514
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 3: And what I've learned is I've had some other folks

515
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 3: on who have gone under cover, and I asked this

516
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 3: one FBI agent, you know, he had to get in.

517
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 2: He busted this.

518
00:24:55,080 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 3: Guy named Hassan, who is the FBI's twenty two years

519
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 3: mole to the KGB, and he had to go in

520
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 3: for five years as his like little mentor kid or whatever,

521
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 3: and like trying to learn from this main guy to

522
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 3: figure out who's leaking this intel. Eric O'Neil i just

523
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 3: had him on recently, so he's another you know, undercover guy.

524
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 3: But man, you guys, I said, so in order for

525
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 3: you to have done what you did, you have to

526
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 3: kind of go into the web itself and you know,

527
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 3: try to find the spider's nest. That's kind of like

528
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 3: you have to get into it, you know, playing mad

529
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 3: and drinking a forty with these guys. There's probably blunts

530
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 3: being passed around and everything else being passed around, and

531
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 3: you're all around all that. You have to embed yourself

532
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 3: in a world of crime.

533
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it was really just you know, relating yourself

534
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 5: to these guys because you know, part of the conundrum

535
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 5: that I faced versus most undercover deals, especially those deep

536
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 5: undercovers like the guy you had on, is that I

537
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 5: lived in the city twenty minutes away. So it was

538
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 5: something where I had to really fight these guys. Not

539
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 5: only look like everywhere I go, I've got the twenty

540
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 5: questions and have to you know, overcome all this inquiry

541
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 5: and establish my street fred, but I also have to

542
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 5: go home and check my six every night too. So

543
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 5: and there wasn't really a day off. You know, a

544
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 5: lot of those guys will travel in and out of

545
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 5: locations and be present for the part of the week

546
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 5: and get to come home. Not talking about that guy,

547
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 5: because obviously some of these cats are extraordinarily talented.

548
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 4: I'm talking about this experience that I had.

549
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 5: I really burned myself out because I had seven days

550
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 5: a week where I had to just show my face.

551
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 5: I didn't have enough money to spend all those days,

552
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 5: but the point was in order for me to really

553
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 5: get embedded, I had to endear myself to them and

554
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 5: vice versa. And I feel like that was part of

555
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 5: the oxymoron this whole thing, is that, look, it's a

556
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 5: necessary thing to do. All these guys go down, but

557
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 5: like you said, the guys that go down with the

558
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 5: worst of the worst are also the guys that are

559
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 5: have social redeeming value and I really appreciate as people,

560
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 5: and I hope the best forward they all have to

561
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 5: go with the same.

562
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 4: Spot, you know.

563
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean at the end of the day, right, yeah,

564
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: Like they're just kind of like like I said at

565
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: the beginning of the show, you know, Iceconna, to preface

566
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: it that we all have red blood inside of us, right,

567
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 3: even a crip. I just want to let that be known,

568
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: you know, And and you know, it's just being if

569
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 3: it gets spilt over something, what I feel like is

570
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 3: frivolous over you know, drugs and drug money and racketeering.

571
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 3: You know, it's just a part of that whole domino

572
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: effect and being disenfranchised. I'm not sure exactly what state

573
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 3: this took place. I know you mentioned Oklahoma. Is it

574
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 3: still Texas and so, you know predominantly in gain culture,

575
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: especially in crypts and bloods, I think of La.

576
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think Texas was born.

577
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's certainly born there, you know, in the.

578
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 5: Whatever in the seventies Smarly and it grew and we

579
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 5: had some transfers that came over, either transferring across you know,

580
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 5: via their parents where they moved, or through the prison systems.

581
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 5: Once you start populating the prison system, then you grow those.

582
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 4: Gangs and you grow those gang goals and then they just.

583
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 3: Me And that's classical with MS thirteen. Right, they get here,

584
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 3: they infect our prison systems, and they get shipped back

585
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 3: because they're you know, doing bad stuff here and then

586
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: that's already affected. And then you have that going through

587
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: the whole thing. And I guess something to point out,

588
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 3: and you know, you can correct me I'm wrong, or

589
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 3: agree or just not like what am I saying. But

590
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 3: you know, I kind of blame the Boy Scouts of

591
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: America for the reason why we have so many gang

592
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 3: violences in the areas of Compton and you know, Long

593
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: Beach and Englewood and all those places, because you know,

594
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: all the young men and yes, I'm going to say

595
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 3: they're young black African American males that wanted to be

596
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 3: in Boy Scouts. Okay, So you have Boy Scouts going

597
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: on in the early days of it, but you also

598
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 3: had racism very strong, which said, we don't want anybody

599
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: in our Boy Scouts who aren't like us. So the

600
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 3: Boy Scouts said, no, little black Billy can't be in

601
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 3: the Scouts because he's black. Okay, So what do you

602
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: have is you have Billy and all of his friends

603
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: who can't be inside of a place that could have

604
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: helped teach them to procure wood, to you know, set

605
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: up a tent tie knots everything that any twelve year

606
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: old boy would want to do.

607
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: Right.

608
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen the meme, but racism

609
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: isn't born, okay, It's kind of taught. And so you know,

610
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 3: you have a twelve year old and twelve year old

611
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: who want to tie knots and start a fire and

612
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 3: go get some food and you know, bring back their

613
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: merit badges.

614
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: But one side of it's not allowed. So what do

615
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: they do.

616
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: They go to the local baseball parks and they sit

617
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 3: around on their bikes and they're like, we ain't got

618
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: nothing to do because we can't join the Scouts. And

619
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 3: they're like, well, this is our baseball diamond, so anybody

620
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 3: that wants to come to this baseball diamond has to

621
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 3: deal with us. We would have been a pack, a

622
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: boy Scout pack, right, these they would have been just

623
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 3: fine wearing their boy Scout sassages the whole nine yards.

624
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: But you know, disenfranchised racism. You know, the early days

625
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 3: of boy.

626
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: Scouts getting pushed, pushed, pushed to you know, just a

627
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: certain culture.

628
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: And then you know, now today it's allowed, but you know,

629
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: having everybody is inclusive, but it's a little late. So

630
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: you have all these people claiming neighborhoods that we're supposed

631
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: to be Boy Scouts.

632
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a fascinating comparison, and right or wrong, I

633
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 5: think also you missed the communal aspect of that. I mean,

634
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 5: doing all those activities is one thing, and doing them

635
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 5: with a group of people together and learning together and

636
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 5: working together to have a goal that is a noble

637
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 5: goal is the significant part of that that's missed.

638
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: Alls right, And it just kind of probably made those

639
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 3: kids mad, like, well, why can't we do this? You

640
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 3: know I could, I could do this, And he's like, yo,

641
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 3: we can do this. Let's just do our own thing.

642
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: And next thing, you know, you get your own troops, okay,

643
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 3: your own packs. But now there are bloods, crips, Golden Knights,

644
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: I think is out there like all these different gangs.

645
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 3: You know that I had nowhere to go in the

646
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 3: early day, they were just shunned from society. And uh

647
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 3: interesting that that's my that's my that's my two bit

648
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: on kind of how it comes around.

649
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: Now.

650
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 4: I'm with you.

651
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 5: I don't know specifically about boy Scouts and other worked,

652
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 5: but uh, you know, I do see that the racism

653
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 5: that once existed in full force then then became hidden,

654
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 5: and then generationally it becomes just people act in a

655
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 5: certain way because that's the way things work. Even if

656
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 5: it's not as bad, it is just it changes the

657
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 5: behavior of the generation of kids. And so that's you know,

658
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 5: that's part of why mentorship is so important at a

659
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 5: younger age.

660
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 4: That specific thing, I mean, you you know, you could I.

661
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 5: Don't know how crazy the Boy Scouts are right now

662
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 5: with all the issues that they have, but but similar

663
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 5: programs to that I think now could still be valuable

664
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 5: if you made them inclusive and at least you got

665
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 5: to start with a small amount of people. If you

666
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 5: could help one person right figures out, you've accomplished a lot.

667
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 5: And if all over s thought like that, then we

668
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 5: wouldn't have, you know, a giant disparity anymore.

669
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Troop twenty here in Utah, shout out, true twenty.

670
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: What's going on? My son's troop right now? Boy Scouts?

671
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: So I went through Scouts. My dad was an Eagle Scout,

672
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: you know, and you know, I just feel that, you know,

673
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: and I've read some things about the Scouts and that's

674
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: kind of I think. There's like a whole documentary about

675
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: Boy Scouts with the youth back then and how they

676
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: became owners of their own baseball fields. And that's where

677
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 3: the names come from for the Gangs is from their

678
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: baseball fields. Like you know, Compton had a baseball field.

679
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 3: Long Beach had a baseball field. The kids could play baseball.

680
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: Couldn't take them off the baseball field, so they would

681
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 3: hang out at the baseball field and just kind of

682
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: form up their own little scout packs, but doing other things,

683
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: just on their bikes, you know, doing whatever.

684
00:32:59,200 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 4: Crazy.

685
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: Yeah it is, and and today they're pretty inclusive. I

686
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 3: do have to say that our unit here is pretty

687
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: inclusive with all the sorts of different individuals, you know,

688
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: so that's good to see and being a part of it,

689
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: I get to, you know, also make sure that it

690
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: goes that way, you know.

691
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, and I appreciate you for that. I do

692
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 4: appreciate you for that.

693
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 5: I know you didn't tell that story to you know,

694
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 5: in a self serving way, but no, I have a.

695
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 4: Great appreciation for you.

696
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 5: So we do need people like you that are investing

697
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 5: time and mentorship because that's really that's that's how the

698
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 5: world's going to change, man.

699
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: I mean, people our age.

700
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 5: Are thinking the way we think, and you can change

701
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 5: some of the way we think, but the multiple minds

702
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 5: are really the most.

703
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 4: Important right now.

704
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: I completely agree, and you know, I just any of

705
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 3: the youth out there that are listening to this. You know,

706
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: you're the future, right, so you guys got to just

707
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: own it and just know that it.

708
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: Seems a big daunting task.

709
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: But one day I was told I was the future,

710
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: and so here I am today. And one day you

711
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: were told, you know, taguing, that you're the future of

712
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 3: this nation and we have to just be the best

713
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 3: stewards of what is within our capabilities to control, and

714
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 3: you know, take care of those things.

715
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 5: And especially the things that you're doing which are that

716
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 5: kind of embrace humanity in general, because I mean, this

717
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 5: newer generation is going to be really run by AI

718
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 5: with all the jobs.

719
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 4: Changing over and everything else.

720
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 5: So so highlighting things like that too that are human

721
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 5: centric I think to be even more particularly valuable.

722
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: AI make my not AI start my fireplace. Wait no,

723
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: that could probably happen right now. AI make a fire

724
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I'm in the woods. Oh,

725
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 3: dear AI, if you're listening up above, can you please

726
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 3: give me something to eat?

727
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, no, no no.

728
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 5: It's one of the few things you can rest on, man,

729
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 5: because there's a lot of other things, this pattern recognition

730
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 5: that's going to be taking a lot of those those

731
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 5: menial tasks that are valuable to people. So I think

732
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 5: those are some of the few things that I think

733
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 5: will keep the essence of the world connected.

734
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 4: So I appreciate you for that.

735
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I appreciate that.

736
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 3: And you know, i'd say that the young men and

737
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 3: women in Scouts today, which I'm also happy to see,

738
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 3: there's both sides, Like there's Troop twenty, Troop eighty twenty,

739
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 3: all girls unit, all boys unit. In fact, we had

740
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: one of the first girls get their Eagle Scout. And

741
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 3: then also just to show equality here, we went to

742
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 3: camp twenty twenty twenty twenty one during COVID.

743
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 2: And it was all dicey.

744
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 3: It's like, can we go everybody has to wear masks

745
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 3: in the woods, et cetera, et cetera. Well, one of

746
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 3: the young girls, she was fifteen, she broke the boy's

747
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: record in a lake of swimming a mile, Like she

748
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 3: broke it. Yeah, it's been standing for a long time

749
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 3: and she broke that record. I was so proud of

750
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: her that, you know, like just one of the guys

751
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 3: high five, you know, and seeing that you can just

752
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 3: blend everybody together, and you know, boys, girls, they all

753
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 3: want to learn how to start a fire with two sticks.

754
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 3: Boys girls all like to repel down a rock together

755
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 3: and learn that safety mechanism. You know, it's not just

756
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: you know, you know you belong here, this is your lane.

757
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 3: You can't do this. Only boys can do this, right,

758
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 3: So I do love to see the whole thing mashed together.

759
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: So it's good.

760
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 3: It's smaller than it used to be, but it still

761
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 3: does exist.

762
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: And so you know, it is awesome.

763
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 3: And and I think that, you know, and then we

764
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: go talking about like you know, you going undercover and

765
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: talking about you know, drugs and racketeering and and all

766
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: these crazy things.

767
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: I mean, drive by shootings.

768
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 3: This is going on in Texas, right, You're talking about Texas, right,

769
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: like see, and I was just referencing where I you know,

770
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 3: La Area, but in Texas.

771
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 4: Uh, I'm in LA Now.

772
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 5: I see that, you know, I see the parallel. So

773
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 5: I've got actually I live in both places. I live

774
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 5: in Texas and in LA so I get you know,

775
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 5: I get perspectives from both spots. And it's you know,

776
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 5: it's the same, folks. Criminals are criminal, and you've just

777
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 5: got to again start figuring out how we keep this

778
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 5: cycle from occurring to where these criminals get put away

779
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 5: and we rounded up fifty one crips, put them away

780
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 5: for a high number of years, and the FEDS and

781
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 5: then we recognize, okay, now we have literally this operation

782
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 5: had one hundred and four kids left without a father figure, right,

783
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 5: and we know that's statistic. So it was like, okay, well,

784
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 5: how do we go back and fix this? You know,

785
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 5: this is my part in infiltrating and making the arrests

786
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 5: was key, but it's.

787
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 4: Not an ender. You've got to then follow up and.

788
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 5: Mentor the kids that are left behind, right, in order

789
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 5: to keep this from being something that has to happen

790
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 5: in twenty more.

791
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: Years, right, because chain of command, you know, take the

792
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: head off and it just regrows.

793
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: You know.

794
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: It's like how someone taste steps up into that leadership role.

795
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, I mean cah, that's that's crazy.

796
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: You know, how do you handle that one? You know,

797
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, kind of a military aspect, right,

798
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 3: you got foot soldiers. It's like Ninja turtles. You got

799
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 3: the shredder, you got the foot, you got the foot,

800
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: you know, the foots leader guy. That's like, you know,

801
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: the shredder has to tell what to do. If you've

802
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: seen Ninja Turtles I'm talking the first nineteen eighty nine

803
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: ninety version Ninja Turtles with the foot you call this

804
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: your family. I am your father, you know the shredder, right, Yeah,

805
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 3: you know, well in.

806
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 5: This case, in this case, I think we took so

807
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 5: many of them off the screen in that one area

808
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 5: that it was difficult to necessarily have somebody step right in,

809
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 5: although as you and I both know, that's inevitable. But

810
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 5: the key in our case was figure out how then

811
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 5: we can get.

812
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 4: A mentorship program for these kids.

813
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 5: That's the only thing that ever inspired me to write

814
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 5: the book, because people were talking about you know, once

815
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 5: this came out and they figured out who I was

816
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 5: and hitting the media and everything else, then that was,

817
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 5: you know, part of the the inspiration. They were saying,

818
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 5: you should write a book, Write a book. I'm like, oh,

819
00:38:59,239 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 5: I mean what.

820
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 4: Full I mean?

821
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 5: Undercover work is is never intended to be something that's

822
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 5: self glorifying.

823
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 4: Because usually nobody even knows who you are anyway.

824
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 5: But in this particular case, once we found out there

825
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 5: were that many kids, that's what I thought, Man, I'm

826
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 5: gonna tell this story in the most unbiased form that

827
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 5: I can, and we donate all the profits of the

828
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 5: book sales to attorneys and mentor children of incarcerated parents,

829
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 5: because really that's the only way to close that loop.

830
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: So Life after the fish Bowl is that right? Right?

831
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: Is that? Is that what it's called life? Excuse me?

832
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: Life in the fish bowl?

833
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: All proceeds go to help children whose parents are incarcerated,

834
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 3: right like within that lane. Okay, that's very cool, bro,

835
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 3: And you're just like, you know, you just want kind

836
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: of like there needs to be a program like the

837
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: YNCA was available.

838
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 2: You know, that was the thing where they.

839
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: Could try to get off after school programs, you know

840
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 3: what I mean, like, hey, oh my son's over here.

841
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 3: I know where he's at for the next three hours

842
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: while I'm still working after school program. You know, but

843
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: they just get kind of like lured. At ten years old,

844
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: eleven years old, start missing school. You know, it's like

845
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: then it's the path starts, you know, and.

846
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 4: You know most of it is just a lack of accountability.

847
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 5: You know, when you don't have a father figure, your

848
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 5: mother's trying to do everything she can, especially when you're

849
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 5: in poor neighborhood. They're working long hours and trying to

850
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 5: hold it together, and then you're left alone to your

851
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 5: own whatevers.

852
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 4: So you're right, these after school programs.

853
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 5: At least hold you accountable, uh, you know, and give

854
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 5: you a sense of responsibility and goals.

855
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 4: And some of these mentorship programs that we support.

856
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 5: Are doing stuff like teaching you know, third graders how

857
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 5: to give a firm handshake and stare somebody in the

858
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 5: eye when you're you're introducing yourself, and teach them how

859
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 5: to apply for jobs. And also math tutoring and whatever,

860
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 5: the confidative art things.

861
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, anything, yes, and just and and and then you know,

862
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 3: if they're young and they get into an after school

863
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 3: program like martial arts in the area, you know, or

864
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 3: you know, Scouts or baseball or whatever it is. Swimming okay,

865
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 3: the gym. Now there's a lot of Brazilian Brazilian jiu

866
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 3: jitsu out there. Maybe they can go on to joining

867
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 3: the real gang, which is like the Marines. Okay, if

868
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 3: you really really really really really really really really want

869
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 3: to be in the baddest gang, okay, because you're bad,

870
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: but you're still good enough to get into the baddest gang,

871
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 3: you should look at the Marines. You should look at

872
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 3: the Army. You should look at the Air Force. You

873
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 3: should look at the Navy, because those dudes don't always need.

874
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: A boy scout to do the job.

875
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: In fact, they need someone to snatch Grandma out of

876
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 3: the car take the car to complete the mission. So

877
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 3: not everybody, you know you can have a chance to

878
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: go to the Marine Corps, serve your nation, wear the

879
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: same uniform. I promise you. They all throw signs at

880
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: each other and that okay, it's a salute.

881
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's I.

882
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 5: Mean, it's a wonderful analogy because most of these eyes,

883
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 5: by the time they get to military application age, have

884
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 5: already f themselves because they've got a criminal record and

885
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 5: everything else where they're ineligible.

886
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: Or they went and serve prison time already, and they're like, man,

887
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: I should have joined the military. I should have just

888
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 3: went through the military. I should went through boot camp.

889
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: I should have just sworn OAF, got a paycheck, got

890
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 3: a uniform, had someone who loved me that yelled at me,

891
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 3: and then I could come see my mom and take

892
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: care of her, or take care of my little brother

893
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: and sister.

894
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 2: They can come stay with me at my house, whatever

895
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: the case is.

896
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 3: Because now you're actually, you know, doing it, you're living life.

897
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 3: But if you screw up right now.

898
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: And if you.

899
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: Start screwing around sixteen years old and you get a felony,

900
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: in a seventeen eighteen felony, you're not gonna be able

901
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 3: to join the military, right and you're gonna say what

902
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 3: did I do with myself? And then you just fall

903
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 3: back into that same domino.

904
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: Right there.

905
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, the self loathing and everything else that comes with

906
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 5: doing prison time and then getting out and then realizing, Okay,

907
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 5: now I'm a felon. So my job choice is just

908
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 5: reduced by about sixty percent. So now what janitorial job

909
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 5: do I want?

910
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: And you know, or I'm gonna be a chef. Nobody

911
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: hates a fellow chef. Dude, If you're a good cook,

912
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 3: you can get a job anywhere. Okay, tattoos on your face,

913
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: in your hands, but you make the best eggs, you're hired.

914
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 4: D That's okay. It's a great outlet.

915
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 5: I mean, you can't got to find some ways to

916
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 5: put that into somebody's mind before they realize as soon

917
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 5: as they get back out, they have an opportunity to

918
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 5: link up with those same fools that put them bund

919
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 5: bars in the first place.

920
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.

921
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 3: And just remember that if you're listening to this and

922
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 3: you're you know, living life, there's life to live as

923
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: long as you choose the you know, the way to go,

924
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 3: you know, and there's there's there's a lot of options

925
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 3: right now that you can participate in. If you're a

926
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: young man listening or a young lady, you know, you

927
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 3: don't have to be in the gang life. Join the military.

928
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 3: See what that's all about, right, and bring one of

929
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 3: your friends with you to the recruiter's office and see

930
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: what they say.

931
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 2: It is so true, it's so true.

932
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 3: Now I'm scratching my head right because the other part

933
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 3: of me comes out in this undercover aspect of like,

934
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: you know, try to decentralize the gangs here, k and

935
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,479
Speaker 3: so like you get rid of fifty one guys, that's

936
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: got to make the rest of the guys nervous about

937
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 3: who's who with among themselves. Without realizing why that situation transpired,

938
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 3: like you know, they maybe never figured it was you,

939
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 3: They never never, you know, didn't they thought it might

940
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 3: have been a dude that got sent off. It could

941
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 3: have been one of their own that I don't know

942
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: how you played it to where it wasn't you. I mean,

943
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 3: we know it's you now because you've confessed and talked

944
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 3: about it, but they didn't know at the time it

945
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 3: was you.

946
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 5: Well, not during nactual operation, no, but by the time

947
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 5: we rounded them up, I was on paper.

948
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 4: So that was I mean, that's when everybody realized totally.

949
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 4: Only I've been working.

950
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 5: With this cat for the last eight months or ten

951
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 5: months or whoever it was, and they're realizing, Man, tease

952
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 5: a cop and and I'm I'm screwed. Yeah, So I

953
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 5: mean I definitely was. You know, I had to come

954
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 5: out and testify. Although for some of the cats that

955
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 5: are really did like I test if, I had on

956
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 5: behalf of their character so that the judge would perhaps

957
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 5: consider giving him less time.

958
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 4: But only I was only able to.

959
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 5: Do that a handful of times because you know, there's

960
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 5: a lot of mistrust at the end of that. Obviously,

961
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 5: in my mind, I'm thinking, man, I really do care

962
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 5: that you get less time.

963
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 4: I really I'm rooting for you.

964
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 5: But you know, if I've been hanging out with you

965
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 5: for that long and we got to know each other

966
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 5: one way, and all of a sudden you find out

967
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 5: that you know, I'm I'm actually cop.

968
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 4: And I was this was all up front, then it's

969
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 4: gonna be hard to believe.

970
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 5: The next thing I say it was it was part

971
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 5: of the torment of the round up for me anyway,

972
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 5: Emotionally it was. It was really a draining experience for

973
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 5: me emotionally when that thing happened, wrapped up after all

974
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 5: those days.

975
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 3: Always yeah, because you might saw someone who was doing

976
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 3: something that seemed like robin hood for his family or

977
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: something like that, you know, and you're like, oh, he's

978
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 3: just taking care of his mom who's got MS, or

979
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 3: like he's just like, you know, trying to get bread

980
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: for his little brother, and you're just like, ah.

981
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 5: Bro, yeah, I mean, just you know, bad decisions or

982
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 5: bad decisions.

983
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 4: It's not like they didn't think it was a bad decision.

984
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 5: I think when you use the excuse that, hey man,

985
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to feed my family, I think it's

986
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 5: a cop out, to be honest with you. But I

987
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 5: do understand it more contextually because I understand in poor

988
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 5: neighborhoods it's a lot more difficult to actually come up

989
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 5: with significant amounts of funds. But again, that's part of

990
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 5: the educational process that needs to be followed up with

991
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 5: you know this has been going on generation after generation.

992
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 4: It's about time.

993
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 5: We teach these kids that there's a high ceiling for everybody,

994
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 5: and that feeling sorry for yourself because it might be

995
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 5: a longer road for you is it doesn't help anybody,

996
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 5: starting with yourself. So just ignore how hard this is

997
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 5: going to be and embrace it and say, look, the

998
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 5: fact is I can do this all my life and

999
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 5: I don't have to be the dead that's in prison.

1000
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 2: Right right, Embrace the suck.

1001
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 4: Yes, it really is, man.

1002
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 5: I think they have less and less generations these days.

1003
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 4: Who actually want to work.

1004
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 5: They keep trying to find like, how can I figure

1005
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 5: out how to get this new career where I can

1006
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 5: work less and get more out of it? And I

1007
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 5: understand the efficiency of it. But you literally have people

1008
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 5: that just don't want to sweat anymore. There's no appreciation

1009
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 5: for hard work, and they still want the rewards that

1010
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 5: come at the end of what normally would have been

1011
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 5: earned through hard work.

1012
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 2: So what you're saying is ditches don't dig themselves. Okay,

1013
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: it's true, and we.

1014
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 3: Need ditches and we need things, and we need infrastructure,

1015
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: and we need hard workers, we need foundations for buildings,

1016
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 3: to be poured. I need someone to wake up at

1017
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 3: four point thirty in the morning that's tired and wants

1018
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: to put planks on the scaffolding to set up for

1019
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 3: the mason work on a beautiful house that's going to

1020
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 3: be built. We have to have hard workers out there

1021
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 3: doing these jobs because you know, otherwise, I don't see

1022
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: AI mixing mud forty scoops and laying five tongue of

1023
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 3: brick up five scaffolding. I don't see the workload from AI.

1024
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 3: It's got to be us. We have to take add on.

1025
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 3: And you know, I do joke all the time that

1026
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 3: I don't dig ditches, but I have and I did

1027
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 3: do some brick mason work and was hot tender, and

1028
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 3: I know what hard work is, and that.

1029
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: Was it, and it kicked my ass character. Yeah.

1030
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, And you know, you don't have to just pick

1031
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 5: up a laborious job for it to be hard work.

1032
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 5: I mean, you're just starting a business or whatever that

1033
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 5: all these people think that is an easy road, which

1034
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 5: is the most ridiculous notion ever. It's just the fact

1035
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 5: that you have to invest time and effort into something

1036
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 5: for it to be truly rewarding anyway. So you know,

1037
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 5: trying to find a shortcut before you've actually earned any

1038
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 5: stripes just makes no sense to me.

1039
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 4: And I think I think we're.

1040
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 5: Teaching people that it's okay to find the easiest path

1041
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 5: before they actually have an appreciation for what.

1042
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: Is hard, right, right.

1043
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 3: And I guess we can kind of blame social media

1044
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 3: for a lot of that, you know, with this fast

1045
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 3: thumb touch swipe, you know, upload and picture. And here

1046
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 3: I am living on the Caribbean, but I don't really

1047
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 3: even have a real job, but you need to be

1048
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 3: here too, And like it's like, you know, every photo

1049
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 3: is like it's so perfect here, it's so perfect there.

1050
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, show my dirty room right now, show my

1051
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: bet un made. Let's do that.

1052
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 3: Hey, kids, let me take a picture of your room.

1053
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 3: You know, when someone brings me food, I'm like, you

1054
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 3: better make it instagram worthy. And they look at me

1055
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 3: at the restaurant and I'm like, cause you don't know

1056
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 3: if I'm taking a picture or not.

1057
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 2: Bro, I want it to look good.

1058
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 3: You know, it better be instagram Worthy's it comes out

1059
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: pretty instagram worthy.

1060
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 4: That's motivation to get your order, right.

1061
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 3: I tell you what, Yeah, it better come out instagram worthy.

1062
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, does that look like spit to you?

1063
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah?

1064
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 3: Oh dude, sheez, bro Really, I love everybody, Okay, all

1065
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,479
Speaker 3: my hospitality workers, my servers, everybody in the industry. Thank

1066
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: you for being there and taking the job to serve me.

1067
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 3: And I'll get you.

1068
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 2: If you're my server, I promise you'll smile when when

1069
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 2: we're done.

1070
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 4: That's hard work too, that's hard work.

1071
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: Oh your feet. Oh.

1072
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 3: I have nothing but the most respect for people who

1073
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 3: work in the restaurant business. Holy cow, front of house,

1074
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 3: back of house, Me sitting down expecting it all just

1075
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 3: to go perfect, and then they're making the scene happen.

1076
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 3: You don't even see it. It's like, hey, where's my potatoes?

1077
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 3: Why are they not golden? My customer said golden, He's

1078
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 3: got twenty bucks on it. Let's go, you know. I mean, geez, dude,

1079
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: I didn't know our conversation was going to wind up

1080
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 3: with me being hungry at the end of it.

1081
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 5: It's you know, it's a good way to end is

1082
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 5: say hey, I gotta go get something to eat.

1083
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, always kick me that way.

1084
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 4: What am I supposed to say?

1085
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 3: I might just go give me some stacks of food,

1086
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 3: you know, I go boxing every day. I burn my calories.

1087
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 3: I believe in, you know, having some type of structure

1088
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 3: every day with boxing or outside activity, like whether it's

1089
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 3: snowboarding or you know. I do a lot of airsoft

1090
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 3: war games, and that's where we use replica rifles that

1091
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 3: are just like the real thing, but they shoot six

1092
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: millimeters beaty and then we go and we have like

1093
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 3: two or three hundred people together from the ages of

1094
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 3: you know, nine to ninety nine, all right, and then

1095
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 3: they're just playing war games. It's like big chess for me.

1096
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 3: I have five hundred acres of desert out in the

1097
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 3: west desert of Utah.

1098
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: We fight on it all the time.

1099
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: I have an indoor shoot house in Leyton, which is

1100
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 3: just here in Utah, which has ten thousand square feet,

1101
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 3: and so I have a lot of folks that come

1102
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 3: after school and they sweep. They sweep all the bebies

1103
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: up in the warehouse for two or three hours, fourteen

1104
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 3: fifteen year olds and they earn passes to come and

1105
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 3: play because it's twenty bucks to play there. So it's

1106
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 3: like where does a kid get a job at fourteen fifteen?

1107
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 3: And they come in they ask me, hey, you hire

1108
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 3: and you hire, and I'm like, I never say no,

1109
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 3: and I call the Department of Human Labor or whatever

1110
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: here in Utah. I'm like, hey, how does the amusement

1111
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 3: park here? How do they get away with hiring fourteen

1112
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 3: year olds that haul the trash cans around the amusement

1113
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 3: park all the time and sweep up? And they said, oh, well,

1114
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 3: they just can't work more than three hours a day

1115
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 3: on a school night, and they can't work with heavy equipment.

1116
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 3: And I'm like, can they be eleven? I'm like, well,

1117
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 3: as long as they're following the rules. And I was like,

1118
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 3: so you can an eleven year old. I really ask

1119
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 3: these questions of my labor people here because I have

1120
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 3: a business, and so ever since then, I've just always

1121
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 3: had like fourteen fifteen year olds sweeping bebies, you know,

1122
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 3: cleaning it up a little bit, and then they come

1123
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 3: in and play again. The after school program aspect, I mean,

1124
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 3: I charged I charged twenty bucks.

1125
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 2: For four hours.

1126
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 3: That's five bucks an hour for your fifteen, seventeen, twenty

1127
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 3: two year old whatever to be inside my shop playing

1128
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 3: war games while you're getting off work at six thirty

1129
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 3: right three to seven is the fight? So again with

1130
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 3: the same type of scouting mentality that I have in

1131
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 3: my that my dad had, that I've been involved with

1132
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: and everything. I still bring that to my business. I

1133
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 3: think the baseball side of things.

1134
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 4: I love that what do you say? Can I ask

1135
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 4: a question? Since even though you're the interview sure, please,

1136
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 4: how do.

1137
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 5: You respond to people who feel like that is perpetuating

1138
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 5: a violent frame of mind?

1139
00:52:58,840 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1140
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 3: So I'd rather than control it and get it out

1141
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 3: of their system inside my shoot house than uncontrollable somewhere

1142
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 3: else where.

1143
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: It's a lot worse.

1144
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 3: Right, So there is this fine line that I walk

1145
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 3: with wargames, okay, And my belief is that as long

1146
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 3: as I keep it along the lines of, Okay, you're

1147
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 3: the shortstop on the team, you're the first basement on

1148
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 3: the team. Okay, you're my heavy hitter on the team.

1149
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 3: What kind of gear do you have? And I put

1150
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 3: them together and they have a camaraderie of sportsmanship involved,

1151
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 3: and at the end of every game we high five

1152
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 3: and shake hands, just like at the end of a

1153
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 3: baseball game you go to home plate and everybody slaps

1154
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: each other's.

1155
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 2: Hands from the other team. Good game, win or lose.

1156
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 3: We also have the ability to say like, hey, nobody

1157
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 3: is allowed to use derogatory comments to one another on

1158
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 3: the battlefield. It's one thing to bring me the damn AMMO.

1159
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 3: It's another person another thing to call you a damn

1160
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 3: mff or. So we don't allow that kind of conversation.

1161
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 3: We don't allow any type of physical touch. So we've

1162
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 3: been social distancing before it was ever cool, right, because

1163
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 3: we have minimum engagement distance. It's like, you can't shoot

1164
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 3: me with this unless you're fifty feet away. You can't

1165
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 3: shoot me with this speed unless your point blank away.

1166
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 3: You can knife me, but you can't use a hand

1167
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 3: to knife. So we want hands to self. So what

1168
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 3: we teach is, you know, I may have my you know,

1169
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 3: training knife in my hand because I got so close

1170
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 3: to you, I'm behind you, I'm gonna use it, but

1171
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 3: it's not you your hands. So we just have this

1172
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 3: barrier of like respect to one another on the battlefield

1173
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 3: at all times. Uh integrity to call the to do

1174
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 3: the right thing when no one is looking, which is

1175
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 3: calling your hit. Because there's no paintball marker or anything

1176
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 3: like that on your uniform, you have to you get shot.

1177
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 3: It's like tat You're like, oh, I'm a hit that

1178
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 3: that you really got me and you knocked a tooth out. Okay,

1179
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 3: I'm hit all right. And then there's safety. So if

1180
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 3: you can't climb it, hump it, jump it on, belay it,

1181
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 3: or do it safely, it's not worth it in our

1182
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 3: world because it's airsoft. The guys that enlist and go

1183
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 3: off to do the real battle, or guys that have

1184
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 3: enlisted like yourself, to face harm's way, you don't get

1185
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: a respawn.

1186
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 2: It's not a video game.

1187
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 3: So we get to like think the warrior that goes

1188
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: out ahead of us while we sit back and do

1189
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 3: these war games here under our blanket of freedom in America. Now,

1190
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 3: some kids will never have the opportunity to join the military,

1191
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 3: and they should because they have asthma, or they were

1192
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 3: born with a premature eye when they were like two

1193
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 3: weeks premi or something happened to them that was out

1194
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 3: of their complete control. But they are a grade good

1195
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 3: to go, should be in. And it's like, why, oh well,

1196
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 3: someone said somewhere yet asthma you can't join.

1197
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 2: Well, those guys where.

1198
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 3: Would they go if they didn't have a place to

1199
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 3: go with all of that in their head? So the

1200
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 3: wargame scene here allows you to come together.

1201
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 2: And I have guys like you. I have guys like me.

1202
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 2: I have kids with asthma.

1203
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 3: We have moms that come out and then they realize

1204
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 3: that they're welcome to play, and I mean, yeah, then

1205
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 3: you have a mom who's dressed with her fifteen year

1206
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 3: old in full battle rattle whearing like the best designer

1207
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 3: face paint.

1208
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 2: She's like, rad, have you tried this one? I was like,

1209
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: I have not, Mama nuke.

1210
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 3: She's like, here, give these black stripes a little smearing

1211
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 3: your face because I asually wear like three black stripes

1212
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 3: when we go out to the desert. That's my you know,

1213
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,479
Speaker 3: turning into that guy. And I tell you it just wife,

1214
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 3: it comes off. I like it when it blends with

1215
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 3: the sweat and uh, you know, it doesn't like stick

1216
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 3: in my pores. So it's like, you know, when a

1217
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 3: mom and a son could come out and fight, it

1218
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 3: feel welcome out there and not like they're not welcomed

1219
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 3: or you know, when you know the world can air soft.

1220
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,959
Speaker 3: In fact, if the world did air soft, we would

1221
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 3: have a better safer place because nobody would really die.

1222
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 4: I aim into that it'd be.

1223
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 2: Like, hey, I'll see you tomorrow.

1224
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 5: Man.

1225
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 2: That was a good fight over that street. Dude.

1226
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, great, load out by the way, see you tomorrow.

1227
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 2: So I hope that with my what I.

1228
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 3: Answered you back here, my attitude and my passion for

1229
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 3: what we do, you know, this is what we bring

1230
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 3: to that here. I can't say that's for every single place,

1231
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 3: but here in my circle of influence as a COI,

1232
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 3: as the military calls me, that's what's up.

1233
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 4: I love it. I love it.

1234
00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 5: I was just curious because I know, you know, there

1235
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 5: there's all kinds of dissenters these days, and every extreme.

1236
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, one hundred percent.

1237
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 5: I just appreciate an explanation that at least somebody they

1238
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 5: don't completely disagree would certainly at least understand where you're

1239
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 5: coming from at that point.

1240
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 4: That's that's really cool.

1241
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that if I was to say, who

1242
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 3: doesn't really agree with it, it's my Marines. So if

1243
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 3: I get somebody who's salty and been there, done that,

1244
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 3: and they're like, you're just glorifying something, and I'm just like, yeah,

1245
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 3: I understand you've actually seen somebody pass or you've been

1246
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 3: involved in firefights and things, and you know, I'll take

1247
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 3: those lessons humbly from them and still apply it to

1248
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 3: my community as a whole, and always say, hey, remember,

1249
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 3: we're just the snowflake on the tip of the iceberg

1250
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 3: of what combat is all about. Guys, We're just the

1251
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 3: wind that blew the snowflake. I don't even know how

1252
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 3: to say it, because the iceberg's so big at the

1253
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 3: bottom of the ocean. You can't see it. It's so

1254
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 3: dark and blue and just violent when it flips up,

1255
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 3: you know, and it starts to crack and pop, these icebergs,

1256
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 3: and so I usually say combat is an iceberg. You

1257
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 3: just see a little tips sticking out, but underneath that

1258
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 3: is a whole lot more going on to the situation. So,

1259
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 3: you know, respect, integrity, and safety. We just try to preach,

1260
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 3: you know, those three key fundamentals to everybody that comes

1261
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 3: through our process, our pez dispenser of warriors that come through.

1262
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 3: And again, I know that you're supposed to be the

1263
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 3: one interviewed, but you're interviewed me. So I'm opening up

1264
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 3: a little bit to my crew here. We have a

1265
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 3: lot of folks who have joined the military through our endeavor.

1266
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 3: Over my twenty two years of running war games. Here,

1267
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: I would say, there's probably over five hundred bodies that

1268
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 3: have come through my house that have joined the military

1269
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 3: on record with the Army for a majority of that,

1270
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 3: and then just you know, hey, now I tell people

1271
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: go national Guard. So when they come through and they're

1272
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 3: wanting something, I'm like, why don't you go guard? Because

1273
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 3: then you stick around and if something does go down

1274
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 3: here in Utah, you know who's going to be next

1275
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 3: to you in the trenches, right huh okay, So stay guard,

1276
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 3: Stay guard with me, homie, you know, stick around, or

1277
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 3: go reserves.

1278
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: You know, go reserves. You want Marines, go reserves or

1279
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 2: infantry reserves. It exists.

1280
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 3: You can go reserves and you can still work a

1281
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 3: job that gives you a paycheck of like two thousand

1282
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 3: dollars a week while you're still serving the nation and

1283
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 3: your local community. So that's the National Guard. I think

1284
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 3: they like me around here and the Utah Army National Guard.

1285
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 3: There you go, there's a plug Utah Army National Guard.

1286
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 4: Yes, sounds like you just got a sponsor.

1287
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they're great. You know a lot of the

1288
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 3: recruiters I call them career advisors. You know, they really

1289
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 3: mean well. I talk to them often because they're always like, hey,

1290
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 3: rad you know, do you have anybody that's running through

1291
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 3: your game? And I'm like, look, you're not allowed to poach.

1292
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 3: If you want to meet my potential conducts, you've got

1293
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 3: to play I'm on. And they're like, what do you mean.

1294
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, yeah, go shoulder to shoulder with these kids.

1295
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 3: Come out to the trenches. Don't be the sergeant you

1296
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 3: are right now. Just come out and fight. And then

1297
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 3: when they bump into you and be like, hey, what's up.

1298
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Speaker 3: Good job, Oh yeah, you're in the army. Oh that's cool,

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01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:07,439
Speaker 3: it'll organically happen.

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01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 4: That's interesting, that's great.

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01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks, I got to speak to people.

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01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not sure if I completely understand that

1303
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 5: talking to a person in person.

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01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 3: But oh, you know, imagine, you know, imagine that because

1305
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 3: a recruiter has to work on Saturdays, it's a part

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01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 3: of their duty. Then where do they go. They gotta

1307
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 3: go somewhere. They gotta set up a table and have say, hey,

1308
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 3: what's up, kid? You want to you want can of

1309
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 3: Copenhagen and a list of the military. But if you're

1310
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 3: out in the desert and you're wearing your battle rattle,

1311
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 3: that you already have. And then you come out and

1312
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 3: you've got some Airborne jump wings on your chest already,

1313
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 3: someone's gonna say, hey, wow, you're airborne. He'd be like, yeah, oh,

1314
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 3: are you still in Yeah? And you play Airsoft with us,

1315
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 3: you approve us to play. It's like, yeah, this is great, dude.

1316
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 3: You know, you're getting up, you're getting down, You're running

1317
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 3: back and forth in the desert, you're staying hydrated. You

1318
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 3: guys are you know someone's got medical kids on them.

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Speaker 2: You guys are.

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01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 3: It's kind of like a boy Scouts, but just the

1321
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 3: boy Scouts would not give me a merit badge in seven.

1322
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 3: So the Army teamed up with me to try to

1323
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 3: get the Boy Scouts of America to make Airsoft a

1324
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 3: merit badge. They're like, rad let's get this official. Let's

1325
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 3: try to get a merit badge for Airsoft. They came

1326
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 3: back saying, you know, we like what you try to do,

1327
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 3: but you're not procuring food.

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01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 2: So it's like touchet, Okay, Well.

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01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 3: You know, at the end of the day, you know,

1330
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 3: my dad blames himself before he passed away.

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01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, I'm sorry, you love this so much.

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01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, why, Dad, He's He's like, I'm sorry, I

1333
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 3: introduced you to the armory and growing up as a

1334
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 3: green break kid. He's like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry I

1335
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 3: introduced you to that at such a young age.

1336
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 2: I said, why, I love it. He's like, that's why.

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01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 4: Interesting.

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01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but again that's the military who's lived it

1339
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 5: and expraised it in a traumatic way.

1340
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 4: Yes, feeling that way, but you're like, man, I don't.

1341
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 5: I don't see it that way because I haven't had

1342
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 5: that experience, you know, so.

1343
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 3: It's right, you know, right, and I'm sure if I had.

1344
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 3: But I have many people who have confided to me.

1345
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 3: I've been hit up through Instagram from veterans and people

1346
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 3: who are on their last dial, just hitting me up randomly, Hey,

1347
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 3: rad can we talk.

1348
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, my wife's like, who are you talking to?

1349
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know, but I think that they're

1350
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 3: just like not doing well right now, and they just

1351
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 3: wanted someone to talk to. And then the next day

1352
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 3: I come back and say, hey, I just woke up,

1353
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 3: you're good, how you doing? What are you wearing today?

1354
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 3: Just go to get breakfast, you know, and just try

1355
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 3: to reply back to them. Make sure that everything's going good.

1356
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 3: But you know, yeah, I'm cool with it, and I'm

1357
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 3: still that way. So someone does reach out to me,

1358
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 3: I'm still going to be an open heart and open

1359
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 3: mind to that individual.

1360
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's great.

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Speaker 5: So all you have to do, in other words, to

1362
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 5: get your merit badge is to change the policy to

1363
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 5: you kill what you eat, what you killed.

1364
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 2: That's right, and then that's right, that's right, that's right.

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01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1366
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 3: Don't mind that, don't mind the mock grenades in my

1367
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 3: plate care, don't mind those. But that's what we do,

1368
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 3: and I mean it gets pretty intense, and we do

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01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 3: just large scale war games.

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01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 2: Bro.

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01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 3: Love it, thank you, and you know, anyone out there

1372
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 3: can look me up find it. It's here in utah

1373
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 3: utah Airsoft, of course. But my guest today is Teague

1374
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 3: in Broadwater, who has put himself into harm's way for

1375
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 3: the real deal to try to salvage life.

1376
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 2: In his community.

1377
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 3: I guess you could say, you know, from the crips,

1378
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 3: and you know, and dude, you know your book Life

1379
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 3: in the fish Bowl is it? It's out right now,

1380
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 3: isn't it, yes, sir? Yeah, And we can get it

1381
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 3: on Amazon and all the places that books are sold, right,

1382
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 3: and I bet you I bet you would like this.

1383
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: I bet you would like me to say, Hey, go

1384
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 2: buy the book.

1385
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 3: All proceeds go to the Children of Incarcerated Parents through

1386
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 3: the organization, and leave a review down below where you

1387
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 3: buy the book if you buy it on Amazon, or

1388
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 3: you buy it at Barnes and Noble, or you go

1389
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 3: to local mom and pop shop and say, hey, can

1390
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 3: you get me the TG in Broadwater Book in the

1391
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 3: fish Bowl please?

1392
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 2: You know that's cool. Go to the local shop hit

1393
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 2: them up.

1394
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 3: If not, leave a comment down below so that it

1395
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 3: could help, you know, bring the book to where it

1396
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 3: needs to be. Or the writers, the authors can kind

1397
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 3: of see feedback, which is what they would like to see.

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01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: Oh hey, in this.

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Speaker 3: Part page three, I relate to that, you know, or

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01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 3: in this part, hey, that's not how a summary would

1401
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 3: really dive down, you know, leave that in the comments.

1402
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 3: Let these guys and gals know what you think about

1403
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 3: their writings, right amen, that's right, dude, do you have

1404
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 3: a movie coming out about you?

1405
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 5: Man? We were attached to Scott Bernstein out here, which

1406
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 5: is what started bringing me to La pre Covid.

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01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Scott.

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01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 5: Burnstein was the produced straight out of Compton. So it

1409
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 5: was a perfect alignment of people with the right kind

1410
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 5: of connections and the right vision for the story. And

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01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 5: it started as a movie project then, but then when

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01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 5: COVID hit, they also so I had the Aretha movie,

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01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 5: which came out, you know, right as COVID started taken over,

1414
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 5: and COVID kind of wiped out the movie industry. And really,

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01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 5: I mean, we already had TV series and stuff coming

1416
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 5: about before that, but once those theaters shut down and

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01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 5: COVID hit, everything now is a series. As you know,

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01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 5: it's hard to find good stuff at the theater. Not

1419
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 5: that I don't still root for it, but that deal

1420
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 5: only fell through because of COVID. And you know, my

1421
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 5: staunchest negotiation stance is that, hey, they don't make a

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01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 5: movie about this, then my life is perfectly fine anyway.

1423
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 4: But I do have lots of people making inquiries.

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01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 5: It just really has to be the right deal for me,

1425
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 5: because what I don't want this to come out as

1426
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 5: is some kind of Batman story where I'm kind of

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01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 5: some kind of superhero guy, because this is a real

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01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 5: story about real humans. There's two sides to every story,

1429
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 5: and I have a great appreciation for that, and there

1430
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 5: were people that I liked. So if you presented the

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01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 5: story in a long form TV series, I would love

1432
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 5: for people too. Similar to something like The Wire, where

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01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 5: you where you know the good guy needs to win,

1434
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 5: but at the same time you kind of like this

1435
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 5: bad guy character and you kind of hope he gets

1436
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 5: away with it because.

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01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 4: You kind of like him, but you know getting away

1438
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:17,919
Speaker 4: with it's not good.

1439
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 5: You know, you just you're tormented by that conundrum. That's

1440
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 5: kind of liking the character. And that's true to life

1441
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 5: because that's how I felt going through those motions. You know,

1442
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 5: I really felt attached to some of these folks knowing

1443
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 5: they were about to go down, and you know it

1444
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 5: was emotionally at the very least.

1445
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 2: That's wild. That's wild, that's cool.

1446
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 3: I hope that something comes your way that fits your

1447
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 3: bill that you'd like to see happen. And I know

1448
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 3: I've had you for a while, get over an hour,

1449
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 3: but you're so cool to talk to and we just

1450
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 3: go back and forth, and I want to show my listener, Hey,

1451
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 3: you and I just kind of met today and we've

1452
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 3: had this conversation going back and forth. It could have

1453
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 3: been over Madden. Dude, we could have had this conversation

1454
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 3: while playing Madden.

1455
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 2: Okay, I think you guys sucking.

1456
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 4: Man now, but I used to be quite proficient.

1457
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 3: Oh you remember the specials? You would have remember, you

1458
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 3: would remember it. I'll come back Triangle. I don't know

1459
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 3: however you play PlayStation Xbox, but see well, I hope

1460
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 3: you much success. I will wind down the show today

1461
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 3: saying thank you to Teague and Broadwater who came on

1462
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 3: to the show and spent time with us to talk

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01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 3: about his life inside of undercover work, you know, exploring

1464
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 3: me a little bit more and just trying to get

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01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 3: to know each other as human beings on this earth.

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01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 3: And I hope you take what I said at the

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01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 3: beginning that we all believe the same blood. At the

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01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 3: end of the day, it doesn't matter if you're a

1469
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 3: king or you're a popper. It's all red. So with

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01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 3: that said, I want to wish Teagan a rock and

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01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 3: soul kind of day and say that we had a

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01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 3: great time grooving out to you know, our conversation.

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01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.

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01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 3: Hope to see you play a show someday in my life,

1475
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 3: and then I can say I know that guy and

1476
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 3: I'm proud of that guy. And then if you think

1477
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 3: about joining the CRIPS, talk to your local Marine Corps

1478
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 3: recruit recruiting career advisor first and let them know your

1479
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 3: job plans.

1480
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 2: Okay, see if they can help you.

1481
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 3: And geez, I guess go check out Life in a

1482
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 3: Fish Bowl. Thank you for your publicist for sending you

1483
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 3: our way. You have been a great guest, and you're

1484
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 3: welcome back because I'm sure there's a lot more that

1485
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 3: you could expound on if you ever wanted to, or

1486
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 3: if a movie happens, or you're like you'll, Rad, we

1487
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 3: didn't talk about this, this and this. You're a welcome

1488
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,640
Speaker 3: person back to the show, So thank you well man.

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01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 4: Thank you for that too.

1490
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 5: And I you know, I think there's there's a lot

1491
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 5: of symmetry here too, so so you let me know anytime.

1492
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 5: I'd be happy to go back. It's pleasure to get

1493
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 5: to know you. You seem like a really cool cat.

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01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, and I will I'll take that for

1495
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 3: all it's worth, and on behalf of Teagan and myself,

1496
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 3: Rad and the crew here at soft rep dot com,

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01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 3: including the merch store. Okay, and to you, the new

1498
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 3: person that just came to our life. Welcome and if

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01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 3: you're watching this on YouTube, re Spotify or anywhere, thank you.

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01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 3: Turn it up, crank it up, share it out there,

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01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 3: and tell your friends that we're here and we exist

1502
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 3: and we'd love to have them listen as well to

1503
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 3: our show. So again, Teag in Broadwater, thank you so

1504
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 3: much for being here, Life and a fish Bowl. My

1505
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 3: name is rad On, behalf of Brandon and everybody here

1506
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 3: a software rep saying peace.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to your self, Red Lady