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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly. He is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and it is a gold and snowy

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Speaker 2: Wednesday here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: Matt.

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Speaker 2: One month from today, yeah, free agency will begin. It'll

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Speaker 2: be the all the signings will start to take place.

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Speaker 2: They'll get announced and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: So whirlwind month from to day.

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Speaker 2: And light of that, I wanted to kick the show

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Speaker 2: off today by we get three signings. Three signings. We

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Speaker 2: can only do three outside signings. I'm not talking about

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Speaker 2: any internal signings or anything like that. We get you

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Speaker 2: get three guys that we can sign who will make

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Speaker 2: the Steelers a better team.

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Speaker 3: Are logical, Yeah, the first guy at every spot. Okay,

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Speaker 3: not like trade for debo or so. It's got to

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Speaker 3: be a UFA signings. Okay of guys who are available

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Speaker 3: right now. Are we going to do this as a

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Speaker 3: collective front office? Yes, this is the radio. That's what

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Speaker 3: we did, right, say I have some names, but I

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Speaker 3: would be right right right, Okay, Well let's go. Where

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Speaker 3: do you want to start corner. Okay, I like the

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Speaker 3: corner class draft wives, don't get me wrong. Now let's

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Speaker 3: start a receiver. I just had the receiver position up here.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna get to either one, so it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: That's that's good.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the receivers. I think that'll probably be

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Speaker 2: the hottest market.

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Speaker 3: It's short on talent and finding a fit's going to

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Speaker 3: be difficult. But I do think older, been around the

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Speaker 3: block veteran I'm not talking about the thirty five year old,

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Speaker 3: would be useful for this football team right now.

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Speaker 2: I think even if you did, perchance go out and

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Speaker 2: make a trade.

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Speaker 3: For Adam's Cup or whatever, not Copper Samuel or you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't think Christine Kirk or anybody like that, you're

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Speaker 3: still you're still gonna add to that room. Yeah, whether

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Speaker 3: it's free agency or a third round pick or whatever.

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Speaker 3: I bet there's two new receivers, maybe up to three

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Speaker 3: if you lose one. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So some of the names, T Higgins, Chris Godwin, Amari Cooper,

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Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs, DeAndre Hopkins, Marquise Brown, Darius Slayton, Keenan Allen,

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Speaker 2: Deontay Johnson, Mike Williams.

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Speaker 3: That's the problem. Yeah, I don't know who the name is.

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Speaker 3: I think Higgins and Godwin are a little pie in

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Speaker 3: the sky, but it's not insane. I don't think Higgins

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Speaker 3: will be it is gonna be a Steeler, I don't

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Speaker 3: think so either.

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Speaker 2: I think the guy who I would look at is

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Speaker 2: a MARII Cooper.

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Speaker 3: Cooper is a name that's not past his prime but

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Speaker 3: not insanely expensive. Would do you know route running X stuff.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you can get him a little cheaper considering age

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Speaker 3: and recent production. Well, I'm looking definitely makes you better.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking here at the Pro Football Focus rankings. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: and they also had the projected contracts. He's get pretty

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Speaker 2: good about it, and they're saying two years, thirty five

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Speaker 2: million dollars, so at seventeen zero point five per.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, he's not perfect. He has some wartz, doesn't

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Speaker 3: love the cold, and has some inconsistencies, but there's also

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Speaker 3: a lot of ability there at.

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Speaker 2: This point that doesn't love the cold stuff.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's played for Buffalo and Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he spent the last four years playing in the cold.

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Speaker 2: I think he's probably adjusted.

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Speaker 3: I would imagine I'm not holding that against him at

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Speaker 3: this point. I wish you'd done more in Buffalo, but

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Speaker 3: he also you know, we talk about like Roman Wilson

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Speaker 3: getting on a moving train and Mike Williams coming here,

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Speaker 3: and a lot of receivers, receivers traded last Hockens do

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Speaker 3: a whole lot. Didn't step up in Kansas City and

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Speaker 2: Every time one of somebody's like has a catch.

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Speaker 3: Oh see, look they did it. Yeah, they didn't do

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Speaker 3: Cooper had an injury when he got traded or right

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Speaker 3: shortly after as well. He's the name though, Slayton's the

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Speaker 3: other one. I thought Layton's a guy, but I think

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Speaker 3: Slayton's gonna he's what do they project his contract? They're

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Speaker 3: saying to the last three years twelve and a half

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Speaker 3: million per per so three years thirty seven point five million.

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Speaker 3: Cooper's better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Cooper's more of an established guy, and I think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's been on the block, former first round pick.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's let's add him to the squall. It's

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Speaker 3: a two year deal. That's two year deal. I don't

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Speaker 3: want to give him a three year deal.

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Speaker 2: Right, just for consideration. Godwin they're saying three years twenty

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Speaker 2: million per so three year sixty million. And T Higgins

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Speaker 2: you're looking at four years, one hundred and twelve millions.

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Speaker 2: That's twenty eight million per.

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Speaker 3: He may even get more. Yeah, if that was truly

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Speaker 3: the price on Godwin, I would be in touch with

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Speaker 3: his agent. Yeah. I thought he was a really good

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Speaker 3: player pre injury. This year isn't falling off at all,

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Speaker 3: slot or outside blocks physical, you know, Penn State guy,

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Speaker 3: you know. I mean, I would be highly interested there,

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Speaker 3: but we can't have all a plus home run type

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Speaker 3: free agent science there either. No, I think I think

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Speaker 3: Cooper is a realistic Yeah, I don't think that's crazy.

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Speaker 3: It makes you better, Yeah, it definitely makes you better.

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Speaker 3: And it doesn't prohibit you from trading pickens or using

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Speaker 3: an early pick on a receiver or doing nothing above

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, it gives you a

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Speaker 3: lot of flexibility.

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Speaker 2: Looking at the cornerback market, you're looking DJ Reid, Shavarius Ward,

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Speaker 2: Resul Douglas, Carlton Davis, A Sante, Samuel Junior, Byron Murphy Junior,

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Speaker 2: Mike Hilton, Stefan Gilmour, Jonathan Jones, Nate Hobbs, Paulson, Adebo.

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Speaker 2: That's basically your top tennis type guys.

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Speaker 3: Any of those I would be interested in. There's none

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Speaker 3: of them. I would say, no, Well, not Hilton, Oh no, okay,

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Speaker 3: I agree, not Hilton. But the other guys are outside dudes.

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Speaker 3: Douglas doesn't do much for me either. Murphy's probably my favorite.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he'd be the most expensive or not.

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Speaker 2: He had this year, three years, fifty two million dollars,

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Speaker 2: so seventeen little lesson I thought, seventeen point three per.

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Speaker 3: Is that crazy to say you're going to take a

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Speaker 3: top five guy two different positions. I mean the rest

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Speaker 3: of the league's involved with these guys too. They are.

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Speaker 2: But you have you have money too, yeah, right, and

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Speaker 2: you can create more space.

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Speaker 3: Oh he's plenty of money. Yeah, that's my favorite name.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's man capable, he's very good in zone,

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Speaker 3: coming off a great year. He's not he's a little

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Speaker 3: younger than some, but not the youngest guy on the list.

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Speaker 3: But I would say he's in his prime. Twenty seven. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: takes the ball away, has a history in the slot.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how many slot snaps he got this year,

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Speaker 3: but if you drafted an outside corner, you can't believe

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Speaker 3: he's there. And Murphy bumps the slot. When you go

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Speaker 3: to nickel or dime, you're improved there too. You know,

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Speaker 3: you're just getting your best players on the field. I

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Speaker 3: like it. I mean, I think if we do that,

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Speaker 3: our third guy should be a cheapo. I mean, not Alvey.

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Speaker 2: Right or a third guy.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure what position we would go. I would

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Speaker 3: say I would look at the lineman, but what about

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Speaker 3: so maybe it's go two Tarvarious. Ward's is interesting.

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Speaker 2: You're saying three years, forty three point five million dollars,

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Speaker 2: so fourteen point five million per season. Okay, he's twenty

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Speaker 2: eight point seven, so he's he's basically just a year

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Speaker 2: older than Murphy.

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Speaker 3: And I say, most of the guys you mentioned, they're

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Speaker 3: fit to bill to me, yeah, you know that are

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Speaker 3: better than Jackson. If Trice is a superstar, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: mean that it's gonna slow them down. It's kind of

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Speaker 3: the Cooper move. You know, like you're you're getting better,

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Speaker 3: but it doesn't stop you from adding more or making more.

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Speaker 3: You know type of moves.

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Speaker 2: You're basically looking at the same price range for a

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Speaker 2: Sante Samuel junior. Now he scares me a little bit

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Speaker 2: more just because of his injury. His yeah though, because

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Speaker 2: you went through that with Dante Jackson, right right, right,

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Speaker 2: But he is twenty five, he's he's the young guys

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Speaker 3: Of the list. I mean it's his first big contract.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I like all those names, unlike receiver. I mean,

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Speaker 3: but I also don't dislike the corner draft either. I

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Speaker 3: don't think that's yeah, you know, if.

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Speaker 2: You just think if you do that though, if you

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Speaker 2: if you take take people. So if somebody asked on

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Speaker 2: our messages, why do you guys say take a veteran

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Speaker 2: cornerback as opposed to taking a rookie cornerback. Well, first

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Speaker 2: of all, it doesn't take you out of the market

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Speaker 2: for a rookie cornerback, right, But secondly, rookie cornerbacks get

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Speaker 2: thrown at a lot. Yeah, and there's a lot put

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Speaker 2: on their plate, and if.

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Speaker 3: They rarely come in to make it an Eagles like impact.

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Speaker 2: These guys, these guys are battle tested. You have much

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Speaker 2: more tape on them to say, Okay, he's going to

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Speaker 2: fit into our scheme as opposed to a rookie cornerback

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Speaker 2: who you're guessing on exactly much of much of the time.

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Speaker 3: Like, I think I need this fix, not I hope

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Speaker 3: I have this fix, right, you know, where receiver I

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Speaker 3: might be okay with. I hope I have this fixed

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Speaker 3: if it was a better receiver class, you know. But

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Speaker 3: plus also I want the age difference. And I also

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Speaker 3: think when you look at the corners, I don't mind

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Speaker 3: spacing this new guy out in terms of age with

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Speaker 3: a gap to Joey to a gap to either who

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Speaker 3: you draft this year or next year, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean, and just kind of have a nice.

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Speaker 2: Realistically, right now, you have two more years of Joey

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Speaker 2: Porter on his rookie contract, so you can afford to

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Speaker 2: do perhaps a three year deal. Your corner room wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be all that because even when you re up Joey

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Speaker 2: Porter Junior, that first year is going to be cost

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Speaker 2: effective because you'll right right right, the way you structure

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Speaker 2: the contracts, you.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't have a ton of money you could have. You'd

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Speaker 3: afford a three year deal for a fifteen million dollar

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Speaker 3: guy or whatever like that, assuming he plays up to it, right,

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Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite? Murphy's fine. I like all

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Speaker 3: of them, To be very honest.

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Speaker 2: With you, I mean ideally, I mean DJ Reid would

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if he's better than Murphy or not, though,

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Speaker 3: to be honest with you, I mean, Murphy acted more

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Speaker 3: like the Vikings one than Reid ever has. But he'dn't

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Speaker 3: have Lost Gardener on the other side of him either.

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Speaker 3: I think Reed will be the most expensive. See they're

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Speaker 3: saying three years, forty two million for him. And here's

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Speaker 3: the thing with Reid, He's not going to be for everybody.

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Speaker 3: Because if I'm a heavy zone team, I don't want

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Speaker 3: DJ Reid right right like that. That's pounding a square

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Speaker 3: peg into a round hole. I want.

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Speaker 2: If I'm going to take DJ Reid, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: be a team that plays forty percent or more man coverage.

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Speaker 3: Which I don't know if the Steelers will or not.

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Speaker 3: Much to ask a safety. I said, what about a

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Speaker 2: I think he's a king Trayvon Moworg. Now, we don't

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Speaker 3: But I wouldn't mind just revamping the secondary with two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's good. He's a starter. I mean, we won't

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Speaker 3: Paulden will get picked up. If I got picked up,

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Speaker 3: Like you said, you know, Wednesdays, the day things are

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Speaker 2: He's younger than your other guys. Okay, twenty six yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you got a little money, so spend it in.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of the cherry on top.

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Speaker 2: And again it's not I mean, now we've spent.

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Speaker 2: Over at I mean they're over forty right now. They

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, in terms, probably are going to sign

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Speaker 3: Just yeah, and they don't come out of college very

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Speaker 3: So I think that works. I don't think those three

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Speaker 3: We have those three in Russell Wilson or something like that. Yeah, cool,

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We will absolutely Anyways, let's get to a break. He

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. When we return,

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Speaker 2: we're going to fire up the Justin Miller hotline. Get

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Speaker 2: Bob Labriola on the phone, the Dean of Doom, the

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Speaker 1: Right after this, he's the drive with Dale Lolly and

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Speaker 2: Radio, and we are back.

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Speaker 3: I'm Dale Lollie.

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Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson and uh well, we welcome

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Speaker 2: in on the Justin Miller Hotline, the Dean of Doom,

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Speaker 3: After the Super Bowl, Bob Labriola.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the game. Uh, I enjoyed it. I have

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Speaker 4: that's not my taste. I have no objection to it.

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Speaker 4: You know, any any of the bands I think that

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Speaker 2: Of, you know, Billy Joel still out on tour wouldn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're a Billy Joel guy.

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Speaker 5: In the quarterback muscow dies, right, and if they're and

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Speaker 4: So I hope that you know, for everyone who's been

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Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this, Bob, would because the

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Speaker 4: No, I really don't think so. But he better be

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Speaker 4: will respectfully disagree Dale with what I think I just

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Speaker 4: It does not have enough at the top of the

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Speaker 2: I'm considering the entire defensive front. I'm considering both outside

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Speaker 4: two down linemen with your two edge guys right, and

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Speaker 4: be able to deal with.

435
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Speaker 3: The hope did we lose? Bob?

436
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Speaker 2: Sure seems that way, Yeah, and I don't. I don't

437
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 2: disagree with that. I think that I think they do

438
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 2: need to be better there. I'd like somebody who gives

439
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 2: me more than what Larry Ogan Jobi does, and maybe

440
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 2: that's Keanu Benton.

441
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Speaker 3: But you know, I think you know people in obviously

442
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Speaker 3: Cam's age factors and in terms of you know, building

443
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Speaker 3: the ross. Honestly, I think they can get more out

444
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Speaker 3: of bent.

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Speaker 2: Are you back, Bob? There were guys as you.

446
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Speaker 4: Were saying, I think you were saying something.

447
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 3: I was just talking.

448
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Speaker 2: I just agreeing with with what you said there in

449
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 2: terms of needing more out of your defensive line. And

450
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to that at all. I mean, Cam

451
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 2: is going to be thirty six next year. But this

452
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 2: is this is a really deep defensive line draft. I

453
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 2: mean it's it. You're gonna find guys even into the

454
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 2: fourth and fifth rounds that can come in and help.

455
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Speaker 2: And whether that's you know, if you nose tackles, don't

456
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Speaker 2: get drafted where Casey Hampton got drafted anymore. Teams just

457
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Speaker 2: don't do that.

458
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Speaker 4: I think you need more than a guy who can

459
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Speaker 4: come in and help from the defensive line. For the

460
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Speaker 4: defensive line, I think you need more than that. You

461
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 4: need somebody who is, you know, Cam Hayward's replacement or

462
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 4: the next defont to it. That's what you need because

463
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Speaker 4: I just don't think that you're going to be able

464
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Speaker 4: to deal with the running game. Is that you're gonna

465
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Speaker 4: have to be able to deal with in the formations

466
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Speaker 4: that you're gonna have to be in because the other

467
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 4: team is going to be able to throw it too.

468
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Speaker 4: And I don't think you're going to get an offense

469
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Speaker 4: to cooperate and say, okay, let's see what the Steelers

470
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Speaker 4: are in their base three four, Okay, we'll run the

471
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Speaker 4: ball now, you know, or they're in their nickel will

472
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Speaker 4: throw the ball now. So I just again, I'm not

473
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Speaker 4: opposed to picking a corner, but the corner better be

474
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Speaker 4: Joey Porter Junior. And ah, let's not forget George Young's

475
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 4: the planet theory, right. You know, there's there's only so

476
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Speaker 4: many people on the planet who have the size and

477
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Speaker 4: the athletic ability you know, to be to play on

478
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Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage in the NFL, and so there's

479
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Speaker 4: not a lot of those guys I think. You know,

480
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Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's easier to find receivers in corners,

481
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Speaker 4: but based on the way the game is played from

482
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Speaker 4: high school on up, there's more of them, and there's

483
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Speaker 4: more of them who are working at at those crafts

484
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Speaker 4: for longer periods of time. That's why I'm just a

485
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Speaker 4: big If you're looking for somebody dying on the line

486
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Speaker 4: of stranch come early, because.

487
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Speaker 6: After quarterbacks, that's the most smart after thing, the big

488
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Speaker 6: difference making difference making big people.

489
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Speaker 3: So not to put words in your mouth, and I

490
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Speaker 3: know you're rooting as the Chiefs for you know, legacy reasons,

491
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Speaker 3: but in a way, in a lot of ways, I

492
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 3: looked at that game and it gave me a little

493
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Speaker 3: more hope of how the Steelers can deal with Alan

494
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Speaker 3: Burrow Lamar Mahomes, because they're not going to have that

495
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Speaker 3: guy soon. But I know the Steelers are not as

496
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Speaker 3: good as the Eagles. Eagles are super Bowl champs. I

497
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Speaker 3: know that they're right, is not as good as the Eagles.

498
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Speaker 3: But one of the prominent members of the Steelers front

499
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Speaker 3: office was a prominent member of the Eagles front office

500
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Speaker 3: just a couple of years ago. And since Andy Whitell

501
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Speaker 3: and Omar Khan have been in charge, they've attacked the

502
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Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, you know. I mean, it's not built overnight,

503
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 3: but that game, and it's only one game, gave me

504
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Speaker 3: hope that you could build something similar.

505
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you better do it by doing it the

506
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Speaker 4: way they did it. I think those two interior guys

507
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Speaker 4: are both top of the first round picks. I mean,

508
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Speaker 4: that's what I'm saying. If twenty one, if one of

509
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Speaker 4: those guys is there, that's who you pick, in my opinion,

510
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Speaker 4: because they are tremendous difference makers and there's just not

511
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Speaker 4: a lot of them.

512
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Speaker 2: Would you be inclined to, let's say you just mentioned

513
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Speaker 2: top of the first round of the draft in the

514
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Speaker 2: first half of the draft. Steelers are twenty one right now,

515
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Speaker 2: you get to pick fifteen, and one of those guys

516
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Speaker 2: is available that you've identified as as a guy that

517
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: can be again a potential Cam Heyward replacement or you know,

518
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: a future stuff onto it, would you be inclined to

519
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Speaker 2: make a move up to get him?

520
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Speaker 4: Uh? It would depending on the cost. I wouldn't.

521
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Speaker 6: I wouldn't rule it out until I heard it, and

522
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Speaker 6: I don't know what you know, the cost of that

523
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Speaker 6: would be.

524
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Speaker 4: If it's ridiculous, I mean, I'm not giving up a

525
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 4: second round pick in addition to you know, swapping first.

526
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Speaker 2: Right, But I mean you're looking at moving out maybe

527
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Speaker 2: five spots because you want to I think I think

528
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Speaker 2: you want to get ahead of Cincinnati.

529
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Speaker 4: Okay. What I'm saying is what I might consider it.

530
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Speaker 4: That would have to be, you know, depending on who

531
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Speaker 4: the lineman was. But I would consider it depending on

532
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Speaker 4: the cost of the move. If the team that.

533
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Speaker 6: Wanted to move down, I wanted the twenty first pick,

534
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Speaker 6: even my number two this year, number one next year,

535
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Speaker 6: I'm I'm.

536
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Speaker 4: Not telling that.

537
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, okay, And that was some free agent

538
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 3: signing by Draft day, of course, But you know.

539
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 4: Exactly, so.

540
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Speaker 6: I think about or I would listen or have someone

541
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Speaker 6: on the phone and not only with.

542
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 4: Five in front of me, even higher up, just to see,

543
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 4: you know, what's the market. But who wants to do whatever?

544
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 4: I don't know. I just I don't see anything any

545
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 4: downside to that kind of stuff and considering it. But

546
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 4: you know, it's all about the.

547
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Speaker 3: Cost and for the right guy. Of course, we'd have

548
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: to identify that player, of course. I mean, if you

549
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 3: felt pretty confident, then yeah, yes, Labs, what's your thoughts

550
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Speaker 3: on the quarterback situation? Do you do you think it's

551
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 3: really a two horse race at this point? I mean,

552
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Speaker 3: would it shock you if somebody that wasn't in a

553
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 3: Steeler uniform last year is a starter on opening day?

554
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I'm not gonna look that far because

555
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 4: I don't, you know, I think it's still really up

556
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 4: in the air who they're going to go into the

557
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 4: Are they going to have a quarterback signed on March twelve? Mhm,

558
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 4: you know, I don't I think that, uh, you know,

559
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 4: that might be the best case scenario from the team's

560
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 4: point of view, certainly if they if they feel that

561
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 4: one of those two guys is worth it, And I

562
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 4: have a just a sense that they that the team

563
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 4: looks at those guys that way they can get a

564
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 4: realistic deal done. You know, if both sides are happy

565
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Speaker 4: or equally miserable. You know a lot of times that's

566
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Speaker 4: the way you judge the deal is good or not

567
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 4: by each of the sides are a little miserable about it.

568
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Speaker 4: I think that would be the preferred because then it

569
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Speaker 4: kind of opens up the rest of your offseason to

570
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Speaker 4: whatever you want to try and do. And so then

571
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 4: through that set yourself up for the draft, because I really,

572
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 4: you know, the quarterback thing has to that has to

573
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 4: be resolved. You know, I don't think you can go

574
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 4: into you know, the week before the draft and not

575
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Speaker 4: have anyone signed. And I'm talking about course. I just

576
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Speaker 4: I don't think that, you know, that would be really

577
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 4: ruling advice. Trying to draggle inside strength, you know.

578
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Speaker 6: But uh, outside of that, I don't know, I don't

579
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Speaker 6: know which one of those guys it is.

580
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Speaker 4: Uh, I'll tell you, I don't believe everything anything I

581
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 4: read anything, not hard to.

582
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Speaker 3: Buy any of that. Yeah, you just don't.

583
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: You just don't know who's who's telling somebody what and

584
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: there's really only there's only really one voice that matters.

585
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Speaker 4: Well.

586
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 6: And and the you know, the Steelers.

587
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Speaker 4: Don't don't really respond to that kind of stuff. I

588
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 4: haven't since free agency, I think back in nineteen ninety three,

589
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 4: just never got into that kind of speculation quote unquote

590
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 4: what they were interested in, who and you know that

591
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. Steelers don't respond to that. And so

592
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 4: the agents, you know, if they're paying attention, which most

593
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 4: of them are, they learn that they can say whatever

594
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Speaker 4: they want and it goes unchallenged. And there's a lot

595
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 4: of click thirsty people out there now that you know,

596
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 4: just go for it. It's wild West Dale, I know, the

597
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 4: old days of you know, newspaper and as they used to.

598
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Speaker 2: Say, yeah, waiting for the morning when it comes out.

599
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: Is it's all about immediacy and clicks. As you just said, Bob,

600
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Speaker 2: we're gonna let you go here. Let you get back

601
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: to preparing to You got to keep those shoveling muscles

602
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: limbered up and ready to go.

603
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Speaker 4: I hope not. I hope rather stuff Donald, Washington County man.

604
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: You get more of it up north then we get

605
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: in Washington County. But our guest has been Bob Labriola,

606
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: the Dean of Doom, the lord of living in his fears,

607
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: and we appreciate Bob stopping by UH to chat with

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Speaker 2: us every Wednesday. Here you're listening to the Drive on

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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network. I'm Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson. Will be back with more

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Speaker 2: right after.

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Speaker 4: This at least.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

615
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Speaker 1: Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly, he is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and Matt. I just want to remind people

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Speaker 2: Bob brought up stuff on to it there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

620
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Speaker 2: When step On two Itt retired after the twenty twenty season,

621
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: he was twenty seven years old.

622
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Speaker 3: Twenty seven.

623
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: He was coming off of a season in which in

624
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: fifteen games he had eleven sacks forty five tackles.

625
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: He was equal to the player of Cam at that point.

626
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: If you remember, at that time, that was the year

627
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: holding was legal.

628
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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I didn't put two and two together on

629
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Speaker 3: that step Onto It and TJ.

630
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: Watt were the only two teammates who got double digit

631
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Speaker 2: sacks set.

632
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: In the whole league, in the entire league. Yeah yeah,

633
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: and that's what the Steelers lost, right right, It's massive.

634
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: I mean, it's such a hard thing to overcome because

635
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: we've talked about this numerous times on the show.

636
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: He should still be playing for.

637
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: He should still be playing or maybe you're looking for

638
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: his replacement, you.

639
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: Know, Kevin Colbert going into the twenty twenty off season,

640
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: you're like, all right, we got stuff onto it and

641
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: Cam Heyward and they're both in the prime of their

642
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: careers here, like, this is awesome. We don't have to

643
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: draft the defensive lineman here.

644
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: Right, we got a lot of good some time to

645
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: buy or you know, use a fifth round pick on

646
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 3: a project and see if it hits or something like that.

647
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: And then the other thing. And again we talked about this,

648
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: a ton Is Hargrave would probably still never would have

649
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 3: never left too, Like.

650
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Speaker 2: You don't get the you know, get like we'relling of

651
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Speaker 2: stuff on one more year.

652
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 4: We better.

653
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: We just notified the team, Hey, this isn't for me.

654
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna play one more year, you know. And obviously

655
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 3: other things took you know, in the in the mix

656
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: here of course, and made that a problem. But you

657
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: lost two big time d lyman that were capable or

658
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 3: you know, you wouldn't lost both.

659
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: They were in the prime at that point. Hargrave was

660
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: twenty six. Yeah, yeah, and too it was was twenty seven.

661
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: Like different style players and they don't look the same

662
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: walking in the door. But Hargrave was a really good

663
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: pass rusher too, And right back to segment one. But

664
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: would you still call him? Yes, I would too, I

665
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 3: would too, which you could add him and yeah, Nolan,

666
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 3: you know, I mean like you could that you don't

667
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: need to be done.

668
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: Put it this way. His last year with the Steelers

669
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: was twenty nineteen. Hardgrave, Yeah, okay, so they lost him

670
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. They lost to it after the twenty

671
00:33:59,160 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: twenty season.

672
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that paying.

673
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: Those are second and third round draft picks that you

674
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: spent on defensive linemen and you hit and you.

675
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 3: Hit on them. Right now. A lot of teams have

676
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: semi similar issues like Andrew Lucks. The one that comes

677
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: to mind that.

678
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: The Teett situation is very Andrew Luck like, and same

679
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 2: thing with like David di Castro. They didn't know until

680
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: they got done with mini camp that year that the

681
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: Castro wasn't going to play.

682
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: A lot of It's the timing of the year too, like.

683
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 2: Oh no, his ankle just hasn't hit, hasn't bounced back. Yeah,

684
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: And that's what kind of drives me a little bit

685
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: bonkers when people.

686
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 3: No one thinks about that from a GM's perspective.

687
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: Right, nobody thinks about it from well, you don't have

688
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: anybody left from that draft. Well, jvon Hargrave from the

689
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen draft was a massive hit. Massive in the

690
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: third round was a massive hit. Then the Eagles would

691
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: agree and he got he got paid a gajillion dollars

692
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: to go elsewhere. That doesn't mean the Steelers missed on him.

693
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 3: No, no, no, that's a great point. And the other

694
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 3: thing that back to, like the Dicastro timeline. He's a

695
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 3: great stealer. He deserves the benefit of the doubt. We

696
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: can wait on him to see if the ankle comes

697
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: around or not. But there's a point where you wait

698
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 3: and all the guards are on other teams, you know,

699
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: kind of what happens, what happened, and then they get

700
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 3: any camp. Yeah, they signed him right after mini camp.

701
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 3: The guy from trying to think who they even went

702
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 3: down the road down. It was a replacement level type. Yeah,

703
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 3: David di Castro. Of course, of course you were lucky

704
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 3: he was there. And in the way that the league

705
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 3: is set up, the Castro is going to eat up

706
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: a chunk of cap too, and you're either going to

707
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: have that to play with or not, you know. I mean,

708
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 3: it's just.

709
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: And quite frankly, had they known that the Castro wasn't

710
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: going to be available in twenty twenty one, they probably

711
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: draft differently.

712
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 3: Oh, everything would be different. I mean, just the whole

713
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 3: butterfly effect of the offseason would be different.

714
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: I mean they went into that draft and instead of

715
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 2: taking a guard, they took Kendrick Green and Dan Moore

716
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: in the third and fourth rounds. If they had known

717
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: that we're not going to have the Castro, maybe they

718
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: take a second round guard, or maybe they do take

719
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 2: Creed Humphy in the second round instead of Pat firm

720
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 2: with because we're like, okay, we're losing our we're losing

721
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: our best offensive lineman.

722
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just drafting O line, have you because we

723
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: thought we'd get one more year out of this guy

724
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: and we could kick that. We could thought we could

725
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 3: maybe you know, wait a year to do this. We

726
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 3: drafted two of them, so they knew that the line

727
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 3: was obviously up in age and it was time to

728
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 3: start drafting lineman. But people don't think about that stuff.

729
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 3: From what the life as a GM is, you know that. Okay,

730
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 3: we have we know the answer. I want to take

731
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 3: Creed Humphrey or the best guard in the draft, or

732
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 3: whoever it is. But I need the question presented to

733
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 3: me differently first before I could answer it. You know,

734
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: my evaluations might be perfect. My values evaluations on hard

735
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 3: Grave and especially to It were perfect. They were the

736
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 3: players we thought they were the day we drafted them

737
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: and developed them. And then this league is not for long.

738
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: Things can change.

739
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: It's it's it's really not all that different from the

740
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: Ryan Chase ear injury.

741
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: You know, right right, especially unprepared for these guys.

742
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: Are you know, great players that all of a sudden

743
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: you just lost. Now you knew with Hardgravey were gonna,

744
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: you know, made the choice, We're gonna They had resigned, Heyward,

745
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: they'd resigned to it, and you know, they just couldn't

746
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: at that point.

747
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: It was straight. Turner was the it was a replacement.

748
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 3: That was player. I remember at the time we were

749
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 3: even happy he was available, right, that could have been

750
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: somebody worse, and he was far from being David Castro.

751
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean you probably draft differently. You might have,

752
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: you know, instead of taking two offensive line mean, you

753
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 2: probably take three in that draft.

754
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, or even the year before, you know, or whatever.

755
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 3: I mean, just the whole timeline would be way, way.

756
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 2: Different, of course, But you don't know about these catastrophic

757
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 2: things that occurred to these guys that.

758
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: And someday I would love to see and once in

759
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: a while here a GM that's retired or whatever tell

760
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 3: you stories, you know, and and it's remarkable. And sometimes

761
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: it's the other way around, like, man, we really wanted

762
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 3: this player, and we got stuck with Antonio Brown and

763
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: he hits you know, like it's an imperfect science, obviously,

764
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: but a lot of times you get blindsided in this

765
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: league where I would have prepared for this if I

766
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 3: knew it was coming. But I could tell you, I could.

767
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: Tell you this, and I've heard this from numerous people,

768
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 2: so I know it's not something that one person is

769
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: making up here.

770
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 3: There were people.

771
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: Who in twenty ten thought they could just cut Antonio

772
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: Brown and put him on the practice.

773
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 3: Squad that year. Yeah, yeah, and you know, kind of

774
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 3: just carry him. Yeah, and he's a late round pick,

775
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 3: small school, yeah right.

776
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: Right, And like other people disagreed, other people who actually

777
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: had the power to disagree with that, said, no, we're

778
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: going to keep this guy.

779
00:38:58,840 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: I'm taking that right.

780
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: We put him out there, somebody's gonna scoop him up

781
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: and we won't have him.

782
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 4: Yeah.

783
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you remember, it was they took Emmanuel

784
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: Sanders in that draft as well, and yeah, Sanders was

785
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: the more polished player at that point, and.

786
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 3: He was drafted ahead of them, and yeah, right for

787
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: a reason at the time, you know, and they were

788
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 3: both good. They were both good, right, and they both

789
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: apparently had really good preseasons in mini camps and training

790
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: camps and all that stuff too. These are keepers, no,

791
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: but it's weird. I mean, the there's so many instances

792
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 3: where man, we got shut out on corners, but we

793
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 3: end up taking this tight end and we weren't set

794
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: on and he hit or whatever. But most of the

795
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: time it's negative, you know, where the league just deals

796
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: you rough cards, even though you'll be the most prepared

797
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 3: GM or front office out there.

798
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if I mean hard Graves last season

799
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: with the Steelers, he had sixty tackles. It's a lot

800
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: form in four sacks from the nose of then I

801
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 2: wonder how.

802
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 3: Many snaps he's playing with those other two dudes out

803
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: there like the nickel. Was he out there all the time?

804
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: Maybe not at all.

805
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: He was out there saw at the end, you know,

806
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: in that that twenty nineteen season, because out that year

807
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen two, it only played six games. Yeah,

808
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: so they're putting him out there with with with Heyward and.

809
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 3: Fast forward to twenty twenty five. If you were to

810
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: sign him, he probably would be in your nickel right

811
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: now with Cam you know, I mean, if you were

812
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 3: to go down that road, I mean, Benton.

813
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: Mike Bent would be get whatever. But to give you

814
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: more of that rotation that you're looking.

815
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 3: He would not only be an early down guy. Yeah,

816
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 3: you know, even at the stage.

817
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 2: Even you know in that twenty nineteen season, if you

818
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 2: remember that that that was the year too it got

819
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: hurt out playing the Chargers.

820
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 3: He was off to an awesome starts. Yeah, he was

821
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 3: really coming into his own.

822
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 2: He had three and a half sacks and six games

823
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: that year to go along with twenty two tackles.

824
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: How would you say he'd be today.

825
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: He was twenty seven when he was done there, so

826
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: it'd be thirty one right now, thirty one, thirty two.

827
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you still may have drafted Benton, but yeah,

828
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: you'd ask less of him. You wouldn't have ogun Jobi,

829
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: you know, you'd have too its under a big contract probably,

830
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, he'd be making good money. But

831
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 3: that's what's the plan.

832
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 2: That was the plan, and the plan went awry, as

833
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: they say, absolutely, but yeah, those those kind of things,

834
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: those are the things you can't plan for. You know

835
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: that that twenty twenty season for stuff on to it

836
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 2: was awesome.

837
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and I'm sure those people out there going, well,

838
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 3: you should have developed depth. The Eagles would have had

839
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 3: a guy waiting. You don't get so many picks, yeah,

840
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, maybe we would have thrown extra defensive tackle,

841
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: six round pick at the mix. Probably wouldn't have hit.

842
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 4: You know.

843
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean you can't just use first and second

844
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 3: round picks left and right on these guys. Yeah, it

845
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 3: just doesn't work that way.

846
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: And you know, if you remember as well, when when

847
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: Hayward and Tuett were in their their prime like that.

848
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: They were both eighty percent snap guys. Yeah, they were

849
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: out there a lot.

850
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 3: They're out there.

851
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: That was part of the beauty of those guys is

852
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 2: they never had to come off the field.

853
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, much like Cam nowadays. Yeah, but even though he's

854
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 3: up in age that Yeah, they're three four ends, but

855
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 3: they're nickel players, are dying players. They're pass rushers and

856
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: they can stop the run. And Labs is right. I mean,

857
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 3: if you can find that, dude, well you you go

858
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: get them, you know, but the finding parts.

859
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 2: Are that's what everybody else is trying to find that too.

860
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: I mean, guys, you could get shut out.

861
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 4: You know.

862
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: We're doing mock drafts now for the Triple Take, and

863
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 2: you know, i get down to the pick twenty one

864
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, geez, the top three or four

865
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 2: defensive tackles are all gone, Like now what?

866
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 3: And yeah, we mentioned to the Labs too, it is

867
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 3: a deep draft and the guys in the fourth round

868
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 3: are better than usually they are in the fourth round.

869
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean there's one to it.

870
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to just simply take it to

871
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: the top. And that's it's part of the problem that

872
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: they ran into for a long time at the cornerback position.

873
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: But eight corners and eight corners if you're draft of

874
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: twenty fourth, a lot of times you're not getting one

875
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: of those cornerbacks.

876
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

877
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 2: You could love the top five guys in that draft

878
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: and have them ranked properly, but I'm not taking guy

879
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: number six because if our first five guys went and

880
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: I'm taking number six and I got him ranked fifty

881
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 2: seventh on my board, that's that's bad business.

882
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So you end up with somebody or a

883
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 3: journeyman that's or not even a journeyman.

884
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 2: Maybe a third round pick. Yeah, you know, what have you?

885
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 3: And you got to develop more and all that stuff too,

886
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, take risks on the ike. Taylors have

887
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 3: a lot of upside in the fourth round and maybe

888
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 3: he hits, but most don't. You know, that's a tough

889
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: hit rate. That's a tough way to live. Yeah.

890
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: There was on the message board today somebody was talking

891
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: about busts and they mentioned Dan Moore and George Pickens's

892
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: busts and I'm like.

893
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 3: You don't understand the word.

894
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not You're not using the correct definition.

895
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 3: Right, I mean you could say they could have got

896
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 3: more out of them. I mean, if you want to

897
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 3: phrase it differently, I'll listen.

898
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: D Moore was a fourth round draft pick that started

899
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: all but one game in.

900
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 3: His career, so more snaps than anyone. That's not that's

901
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: not a bust. That's the exact opposite of a bust.

902
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: You can you can say he's not a great player, fine,

903
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 2: but he's a fourth round pick that was a full

904
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 2: time starter for you left left tackle.

905
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: Right right, right? Yeah, absolutely, that's that's exactly a very

906
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: highly productive draft pick. Yeah, it absolutely is.

907
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: And you know Pickens has twenty eight hundred yards in

908
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 2: three seasons in the NFL.

909
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 3: That's not a bust.

910
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 4: Right.

911
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 3: If you took Dan Moore eighth overall, Okay, that's that's

912
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,959
Speaker 3: a bust. I mean, yeah, he's out there, but he's

913
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: not a plus player. That's a different story.

914
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's The Steelers have some busts, some legitimate busts.

915
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: Of course, Devin Bush is a bust, right right, right,

916
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: But I mean don't just say, you know, this guy's

917
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: a bust and that guys and that gets thrown around.

918
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 3: Too much just because he's not what you want him

919
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 3: to be. He's not John Ogden or whatever. Right, Yeah,

920
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 3: that guy's not Michael Irvin. He's a bust. Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah.

921
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 3: I mean it depends what you paid for.

922
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 2: Him, and and and you know, just in the terms

923
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: of Pickens, you may not like how he carries himself

924
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: on the field, but you can't argue that he produces

925
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: when he's on the field.

926
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 3: Or he's worth a second round pick. He's very worth

927
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 3: a second round pick if.

928
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 2: They could get the se and that definition, Antonio Brown

929
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 2: is a bust.

930
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: And that's ridiculous. That's the total opposite. Right, If you

931
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 3: could get a carbon copy of Pickens in the second

932
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 3: round this year, I would take him, Yes, in a heartbeat, right,

933
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 3: without them without some of the even with it. Ann Well,

934
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 3: if you gave me the same guy three years younger, whatever,

935
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 3: give or take, you know, and maybe he's a slightly

936
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 3: less talent. No, one's exactly the same. That's not a

937
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 3: bad pick. Maybe he's slightly less craziness.

938
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: Right, Anyways, let's get to a break. That's gonna do

939
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Speaker 2: it for our number one of the drive, Matt and

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Speaker 2: I'll be back with our number two. You were listening

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Speaker 2: to Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio network