WEBVTT - Bill Reiter Joins The Heat Check!

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<v Speaker 1>Break was breaking down all the biggest NBA storylines.

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<v Speaker 2>Lord tuned in to the Heat Check.

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<v Speaker 2>Covering all the drama around the association.

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<v Speaker 3>Up next, finally, special edition, we have a very informative

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<v Speaker 3>interview with Bill Ryder, hosted the CBS sports show Writer

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<v Speaker 3>than You and longtime NBA writer. Bill joined me and

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<v Speaker 3>my co host Ryan Horbot and Nick Ashew on our

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<v Speaker 3>show bet MGM tonight. He gave a nice otterview of

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<v Speaker 3>what's popping around the league. So let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Bill, I don't want to make Bill Rider wait

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<v Speaker 1>anymore time to get sports NBA insider Writer than You

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<v Speaker 1>CBS Sports Radio. Yeah, if you're mad that, if you

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<v Speaker 1>watch the show and you hated the way that it

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<v Speaker 1>end it, feel free to jump that in. Bill. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's start with also James Harden who is with the

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<v Speaker 1>Sixers in camp, and Joel Embiid says he's not a distraction.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course he's gonna say that what do we make

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<v Speaker 1>of this situation? And where do you see this actually going?

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<v Speaker 2>The same thing I make of I guess where a

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<v Speaker 2>showtimes I wish it would he would just go away

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<v Speaker 2>that was the way just to cancel his appearance in

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA. Look, so you're right, he is going to

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<v Speaker 2>make life as miserable as he can for that organization.

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<v Speaker 2>He's already done this.

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<v Speaker 3>We know this.

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<v Speaker 2>He called Daryl Morele liar over the summer. But just

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<v Speaker 2>talking to folks in that Philly organization, maybe their words

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<v Speaker 2>are tougher than their actual fort two, but they say

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna just make him play. They're gonna wait for

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<v Speaker 2>the price to go up. They take some strength and

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<v Speaker 2>some some some you know, a sense of optimism from

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<v Speaker 2>what went down with Lillard, even though it wasn't as ugly.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that Harden's going to be out of

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<v Speaker 2>shape and miserable. And I think Darryl Moore and the

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<v Speaker 2>Sixers are gonna say, politely, to hell with you, We're

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<v Speaker 2>not trade me until we get what we want.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's gonna be a saga, Bill. Absolutely. I'm curious

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<v Speaker 3>your thoughts on the Bucks. Obviously they add Damiel Loeward.

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<v Speaker 3>This is going to be a really explosive pick and

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<v Speaker 3>roll type offense. But what concerns me is that now

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<v Speaker 3>Chris Middleton again not healthy, held out of practice. New

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<v Speaker 3>coach Adrian Griffin being very shady about what Chris Middleton

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<v Speaker 3>is even dealing with.

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<v Speaker 4>How do you feel.

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<v Speaker 3>About this team if they don't have an entirely healthy

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<v Speaker 3>Middleton for the entire year, or maybe if he never

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<v Speaker 3>returns to what he was when he was in his prime.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, we are in an era. We know

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<v Speaker 2>you can have a big two and get it done.

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<v Speaker 2>But they need Chris Middleton and one executive and a

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<v Speaker 2>guy was a long time former scouter worked his way

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<v Speaker 2>up made the point to me that yes, as you

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<v Speaker 2>know that they are amazing offensively, Damian Lower is a

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<v Speaker 2>huge addition. It takes a ton of pressure on the

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<v Speaker 2>offensive side off of be honest, and the pick and

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<v Speaker 2>roll game could be amazing, but that backcourt defensively now

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<v Speaker 2>is not very good. It's the point this executive made,

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<v Speaker 2>So you've got to make that up with more offense.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a similar model what Boston's doing leaning offensively. I

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<v Speaker 2>think you need Middleton to be in the mix at

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<v Speaker 2>least in the postseason, given how good the Celtics are,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think still how many land mines there are

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<v Speaker 2>in the Eastern Conference from other teams.

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<v Speaker 4>What are your thoughts on Drew Holliday and his fit

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<v Speaker 4>with Boston. I mean kind of taking over obviously the

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<v Speaker 4>Marcus Smart role where he's, you know, a non ball defender.

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<v Speaker 4>But what are your thoughts on Boston coming into the season,

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<v Speaker 4>because I feel like in the East it's really just

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<v Speaker 4>Boston and Milwaukee right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I like Drew Holiday. It's a great quite like

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<v Speaker 2>Drew Holliday in a vacuum. I love it. And so

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<v Speaker 2>Marcus Smart basically leader, respected guy, but did not get

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<v Speaker 2>along this is pretty clear from the press conferences. But

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<v Speaker 2>did not get along with Joe Mazzuola. It wasn't a

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<v Speaker 2>good fit. The perspective in Boston is you get a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of an upgrade from Andrew Holliday Offensively. He's still

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<v Speaker 2>great defensively. He's also well respected. Guys around the league

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<v Speaker 2>love him. But he's known to be easy to work

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<v Speaker 2>with for coaches, right, He's not going to undermine you.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a different kind of edgy. It comes out on

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<v Speaker 2>the floor, not in the locker room. So for Holiday

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<v Speaker 2>as a player, and frankly as a guy who's going

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<v Speaker 2>to make life a little leader on a head coach

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<v Speaker 2>who's under a lot of pressure. I love it. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's really interesting to see what Porzingis can be

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<v Speaker 2>and what he can do, and whether or not some

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<v Speaker 2>of the players who were moved out who are defensive

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<v Speaker 2>focused guys, whether that's gonna hurt the Celtics as it

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<v Speaker 2>relates to what they want to do. But we know

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<v Speaker 2>Missoula is much more offensively inclined than he. Mayo Dooka.

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<v Speaker 2>He leans that way. So I love the hot move,

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<v Speaker 2>I love the Celtics, but it's gonna be really interesting

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<v Speaker 2>how these pieces fit because this is a team that's

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<v Speaker 2>made a game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals the

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<v Speaker 2>last two years. They obviously made the finals a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years ago, and it's very they've retooled this basketball

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<v Speaker 2>team pretty aggressively.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Bill, it's not like the Celtics haven't been in

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<v Speaker 1>this position before. The co favorites of bed MGM to

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<v Speaker 1>win the title four to one along with the Bucks,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you got the Nuggets the defending championship plus

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<v Speaker 1>five point fifty. Where do you odds aside for this?

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you stack the Nuggets up right now with

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<v Speaker 1>some of these other teams like the Celtics and Bucks

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<v Speaker 1>and then the Suns all of who have had a

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pretty active offseasons.

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<v Speaker 2>So Denver is a known quantity and they've got one

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<v Speaker 2>of the two or three best players in the game.

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<v Speaker 2>He's probably the best player in the game, and every

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<v Speaker 2>year it changes. I voted for Yogus for MVP. I

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<v Speaker 2>think they're the best team of those three that you

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<v Speaker 2>noted because of what we know. I think it's likely

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<v Speaker 2>that in Boston or in Milwaukee, and maybe in both,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's gonna work really well, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna actually be a little bit higher level that obviously

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<v Speaker 2>have to face him in the finals for that to

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<v Speaker 2>matter in the playoffs. I love Denver, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of question marks in the Western Conference

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<v Speaker 2>makes their road easier. I'm not as high on Phoenix

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<v Speaker 2>as other people. I know they got some depth in

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<v Speaker 2>that trade. John Moran's gonna miss a huge chunk of

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<v Speaker 2>the season. What is Memphis gonna be your third best

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<v Speaker 2>player here in LA with the Lakers? Is Austin reeves

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<v Speaker 2>out that that's the end of the world, But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure that it's a guarantee. And Anthony Davis, Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Humpty dumpty Davis, I know he wants to play eighty

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<v Speaker 2>two games. I love it. It's a guy played seventy

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<v Speaker 2>two games. Lebron's amazing, but he's one hundred and five

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<v Speaker 2>years old, So you just sort of you go to

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<v Speaker 2>the Western Conference. There are potential challengers, but at least

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<v Speaker 2>on paper, nobody to me is as sure a thing

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<v Speaker 2>as the Denver Nuggets.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm curious your thoughts on the Dallas Mavericks because I

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<v Speaker 3>had a healthy debate with a friend of mine earlier

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<v Speaker 3>today because he, for whatever reason, thinks that Grant Williams

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<v Speaker 3>and Derek Lively are gonna move the needle in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of just the overall defense, which was terrible last year. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>what's your thoughts overall on what this Dallas Mavericks team

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<v Speaker 3>is going to be this year?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you guys seen that gift where there's a dumpster

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<v Speaker 2>on fire floating down a swollen river. Yeah, that's my

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<v Speaker 2>perspective on the Dallas Mavericks, and really respective on any

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<v Speaker 2>team that has Kyrie Irving, there is massive, massive, massive

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<v Speaker 2>concern and worry that they are not going to capitalize

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<v Speaker 2>on Luca Dodge's window. And while Luca hasn't made any suggestions,

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to leave Dallas. We saw this year. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the moves that are going around Eastern Conference and

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening right now is force and Harden to stan Philly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all about the fear that Yiannis will be the

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<v Speaker 2>guy that won't stay, or MB will be the guy

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<v Speaker 2>that gets them happy and doesn't stay. And doctor GM's

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<v Speaker 2>around the NBA. There's a hope, right if you're not

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<v Speaker 2>the Dallas GM, then in a year or two, doncas

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna be the guy who doesn't want to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think Dallas has massive pressure without a

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<v Speaker 2>roster that can make good on it. I'm not a

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<v Speaker 2>big Kyrie irving guy, so maybe I'm swinging and missing

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<v Speaker 2>on a level of greatness he brings to the table

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm somehow not seeing. But the moves they've made,

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<v Speaker 2>the team they have, the roster they have, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it's very impressive. I know doncon is amazing. You

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<v Speaker 2>guys know doncas is amazing. The guy's an incredible player,

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<v Speaker 2>But he's not on a team that I think is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna live up to anything remotely resembling even conference championship appearances,

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<v Speaker 2>let alone the finals. Think they're in trouble.

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<v Speaker 4>Bill with the Heat missing out on the Damian Lillard

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<v Speaker 4>and missing out in the sweepstakes for Dame Lillard, there's

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<v Speaker 4>still minus one ninety to win the Southeast. I was

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<v Speaker 4>just like trying to make the case for any of

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<v Speaker 4>these other teams, you know, from a betting standpoint, and

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<v Speaker 4>you have the Hawks plus two twenty. I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>if I fully trust them. I like the Magic, I

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<v Speaker 4>just don't know if they're still a year away. They're

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<v Speaker 4>eight to one, and then the Hornets and the Wizards.

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<v Speaker 4>Could you make the case for any other team in

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<v Speaker 4>the Southeast other than Miami this season?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the number of Atlanta?

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<v Speaker 4>I think plus two twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think Atlanta is interesting if you're feeling like

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<v Speaker 2>if you have a little gamble, right, because it's probably Miami.

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<v Speaker 2>We know how consistent they are. It's not just that

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't get Lillard in terms of their championship hop,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's how much better everybody they compete with, really

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<v Speaker 2>Boston and Milwaukee got and they lost other pieces that

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<v Speaker 2>are important. But that is a very weak group of teams.

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<v Speaker 2>That said, Gwynn Snyder is extremely well respected. It sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like Trey Young wants to do the things he needs

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<v Speaker 2>to do for Quinn in that organization. I wasn't. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that place is a mess in terms of their

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<v Speaker 2>limico dynamics at their front office. But Quinn's a really

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<v Speaker 2>good coach. He's now gonna have obviously an entire training

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<v Speaker 2>camp team in late last year, a very weird situation.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's gonna be a surprise, and maybe it's a

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<v Speaker 2>heat trail off a little bit, or there's injuries or

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<v Speaker 2>emo Jimmy so emotionally can't get out there that haircut

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<v Speaker 2>and play for me. Atlanta would be the other team

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<v Speaker 2>Bill if.

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<v Speaker 1>People are looking at maybe the possibility of finding an

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<v Speaker 1>edge in like the win totals market. Right now, the

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<v Speaker 1>Toronto Raptors are a team that's been thrown around for

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like the last couple of years is maybe

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<v Speaker 1>potential sellers and then what maybe there may be there's

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<v Speaker 1>some extensions for some guys, or maybe they're gonna trade.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody seems to know what they're gonna do. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that this is a team then finally, let's say

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<v Speaker 1>even just come trade deadline, they finally start selling that

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<v Speaker 1>team off or are they still committed to actually winning

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<v Speaker 1>with essentially the roster that they have.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's a really good I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a really good question, a really good point. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that it depends how things go, and they believe that

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<v Speaker 2>their roster is good enough to at least compete in

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<v Speaker 2>the second tier in the East right somewhere to four

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<v Speaker 2>to six as happened to to try and avoid that

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<v Speaker 2>play in. I'm not sure how realistic that is, and

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that if the wheels come off, if

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<v Speaker 2>things go badly, if they're not in the mix, they

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<v Speaker 2>very well could be sellers and you can move on

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<v Speaker 2>for most of those guys and see that team basically

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<v Speaker 2>go into bring an assets, do what Portland's doing do

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<v Speaker 2>to a degree with the thunder did lose a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of games, focus on draft picks. So depending where the

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<v Speaker 2>total is for what's their win to over right now,

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<v Speaker 2>like forty two, I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's lower than that isn't if you guys know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not BETVGM doesn't happen in front of us right now.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to say it's actually like I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's under that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I guess it depends what it is,

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<v Speaker 2>but I would either for me like I used to

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<v Speaker 2>bet win totals all the time. Yeah, I would either

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<v Speaker 2>pass on it or go under because I do think

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<v Speaker 2>they're not gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Be a pirty thirty six and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Vegas thinks they're going to sell them right

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<v Speaker 2>like that seems really low to me for that roster.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm curious. I wanted to follow up with you on

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<v Speaker 3>the Raptors because it just feels like they're a mess.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Massi was known as one of the better gms in

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<v Speaker 3>the league, and now it feels like his reputation is

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<v Speaker 3>in shambles and they're letting players walk for almost nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>He's bringing up petty things like the lawsuit instead of

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<v Speaker 3>addressing you know, what's going on with Pascal, and he's

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<v Speaker 3>calling his whole team selfish and that they're not making

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<v Speaker 3>the right decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it just me?

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<v Speaker 3>Or is that organization kind of toxic right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, They're not in a good place. And look, I

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<v Speaker 2>think Massi's really People that are smarter than I am

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<v Speaker 2>about the NBA are impressed by the guy. But pat

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<v Speaker 2>Riley talked about the disease of more right, you win something,

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<v Speaker 2>you start to really believe in yourself. You start to

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<v Speaker 2>buy the headlines. They won an NBA championship. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>a minute now. It was very impressive. But obviously they

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<v Speaker 2>brought in Kawhi Leonard. It was a crazy spark. There

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<v Speaker 2>were multiple injuries that were significant in that series against

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<v Speaker 2>the Warriors that got in there. Not taking anything away.

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<v Speaker 2>They had a crazy bounce against Philly, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's just a chance that Massi doesn't understand that they

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<v Speaker 2>got lucky and that there were some things that need

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<v Speaker 2>to be retooled, especially when Kawhi moved on to answer quiet.

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<v Speaker 2>And yet they're absolutely toxic. It is a miserable place,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is part of the debate about where you

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<v Speaker 2>bet on their win total. He thinks they're good enough

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<v Speaker 2>on paper and that these guys aren't loaded up expectations,

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<v Speaker 2>and in that locker room they think that he's a

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<v Speaker 2>delusional strong but he is overestimating the roster that he's

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<v Speaker 2>put together.

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<v Speaker 3>Bobby Webster said Bill that they offered the most that

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<v Speaker 3>they've ever offered for a player for Damian Lillard. Do

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<v Speaker 3>you know what that deal was?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. The Liard thing I mean, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, and I have trouble believing that because I

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<v Speaker 2>can tell you this from the Portland side. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>personal with the Miami Heat. It really wasn't about wanting

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<v Speaker 2>to screw over pat Riley. They wanted the most they

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<v Speaker 2>could get, and they thought it was Milwaukee. And some

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<v Speaker 2>of that calculation is that they think those Milwaukee it's

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<v Speaker 2>one pick and it's two pick swaps, twenty eight thirty

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<v Speaker 2>pick swaps, twenty nine first round pick. They don't think

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<v Speaker 2>Annis is going to be there regardless of what happens

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<v Speaker 2>with LOWERD in the next year or two, and that

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<v Speaker 2>the Bucks are going to be an utter and total disaster,

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<v Speaker 2>and that those picks are very actually extremely valuable, and

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<v Speaker 2>whatever happens in Toronto, it's just a more desirable market

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<v Speaker 2>than it used to be because there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>guys who are international players if we know in the

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<v Speaker 2>NBA who will play there. So I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what Toronto offered, but I do know that

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<v Speaker 2>Portland thinks that what they got from Milwaukee and what

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<v Speaker 2>they're still getting because they're gonna move on to Malcolm Brogdon. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>they traded for a holiday. They think that return is

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<v Speaker 2>by far the best that was offered.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you think ends up happening this year with

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<v Speaker 4>the uh not even so much this year? Like the

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<v Speaker 4>future of the Kings. I really like the Kings that

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<v Speaker 4>I'm looking at the Pacific Division.

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<v Speaker 1>They're eight to one, and.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just like with the Suns and the Lakers.

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<v Speaker 1>They're old.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like their goal is obviously to win the championship,

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<v Speaker 4>and then I still think they're gonna use load management.

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<v Speaker 4>You can throw the Warriors in there too, and the Clippers.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you think about the Kings eight to one

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<v Speaker 4>to win the Pacific? I think they're gonna be a

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<v Speaker 4>tough regular season team.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the kid. It's funny I did when I

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<v Speaker 2>was talking to you guys about sort of where to

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<v Speaker 2>Denver rank, I was trying to like, who am I trying?

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<v Speaker 2>Who am I forgetting? I'm muscle memory to never take

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<v Speaker 2>the Sacramento Kings seriously. It's like a part of my

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<v Speaker 2>basketball DNA. But that's changed. I mean, that's that's a

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<v Speaker 2>really tough team. It's a really good team. They're really young,

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<v Speaker 2>they're well coached. They finally we think of a front

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<v Speaker 2>offense for the first time in a generation that's well

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<v Speaker 2>run and you're on. I think their window, or they

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<v Speaker 2>think their window for really competing it is probably not

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<v Speaker 2>this season, but the season after. But we've seen teams

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<v Speaker 2>and the Warriors are one of those teams make really

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<v Speaker 2>big leaps that are earlier than people expected. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's entirely possible. I have a soft spot

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<v Speaker 2>in my heart for Golden State, largely because I just

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<v Speaker 2>I love Steph Curry, class act, amazing player, But they're old.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that. I believe Chris Paul is gonna work,

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<v Speaker 2>and forget whether he starts, I don't know if he finishes,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what really matters. We know Bob Myers is gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Kerr has become you talk to beat riders and

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<v Speaker 2>folks there a little more. He's a nice guy, but

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<v Speaker 2>a little more frustrated, maybe a little more burned out

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<v Speaker 2>in a long term sense. I do think there's some vulnerabilities,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think the Kings are the kind of team

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<v Speaker 2>if things click, because they have so many young guys,

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<v Speaker 2>and young guys tend to make big leaps in years

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<v Speaker 2>two and three and sometimes four. The Kings are Ploys

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<v Speaker 2>potential to be one of those teams that make it.

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<v Speaker 1>For Yeah, it's probably a culture shock for Steve car

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<v Speaker 1>because he's used to just dominating the NBA and all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden now he's looking around going, damn it,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not what we used to be anymore. Bill ryders

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<v Speaker 1>CBS Bores always good to talk to you, man, Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for coming on.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all the time that we have for this episode

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<v Speaker 3>of the Heat Check. Many thanks to Bill Ryder and

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<v Speaker 3>my crew I bet at MGM tonight. Come back later

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