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Speaker 1: Welcome to Bill and Juliana the podcast. Welcome back everyone

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Speaker 1: to the Bill and Juliana Podcast.

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Speaker 2: So, guys, today's episode is something that Bill and I

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Speaker 2: were really wondering. The question is how often is it

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Speaker 2: too often to get a massage? Like? How much is

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Speaker 2: it too much to get?

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Speaker 3: Can you get a massage?

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Speaker 2: Can you overdo it?

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Speaker 3: Yes? I don't think you can, and I think you can.

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Speaker 2: So Bill is obsessed with massages and I like a massage.

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Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I love a massage. But Bill,

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Speaker 2: if you could be.

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Speaker 3: A very active person, I run, I left weights, I ski,

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Speaker 3: I wake surf, wakeboard. You know. So I'm a little

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Speaker 3: more active, so my muscles get beat up.

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Speaker 2: H you used to run, you used to wake?

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Speaker 3: I still run? Okay?

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Speaker 1: No, I mean I oftentimes walk on an angle and

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Speaker 1: the treadmill got okay.

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Speaker 2: You're not like a professional weightlifter where you need a

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Speaker 2: massage like every other day, but you would love a

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Speaker 2: miss every other day. No, it's fine. That's why we're

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Speaker 2: doing this episode because we just want to know is

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Speaker 2: it ever like too much? Could you ever overdo it

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Speaker 2: too many massages? Or how often should you be getting

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Speaker 2: a massage? So, today we have got our massage therapist here.

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Speaker 2: What did I say, you massaged.

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Speaker 3: Some Italian accent? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Well, I am Italian. I was born there aig deal.

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Speaker 2: Today we have our massage therapy here with us. His

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Speaker 2: name is Sterling Rich. Kidding, he said, I speak a.

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Speaker 1: Time, But he's probably the most qualified massage therapist you'll

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Speaker 1: ever meet in the world.

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Speaker 3: There's a PhD.

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Speaker 1: He's a college professor xal gymnasts. Well, I called off

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Speaker 1: for the Olympics he was trying out for. The guy

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Speaker 1: is unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: He is unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He has hands that were just gifts from God.

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Speaker 2: Gifts from God. And the other thing with him too,

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Speaker 2: is like he's to Bill's point, he's incredibly knowledgeable, Like

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Speaker 2: I can ask him anything. And by the way, I

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Speaker 2: am not an easy case on the massage table. I

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Speaker 2: have a lot of problems.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, more than just the massage table.

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Speaker 2: And I have like history stuff like that goes way back,

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Speaker 2: like body history stuff like, for instance, scoliosis. So I

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Speaker 2: had scoliosis as a child and then I had a

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Speaker 2: huge surgery when I was twenty one, and I have

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Speaker 2: rods in my back, so that can be often challenging

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Speaker 2: for messus, and sometimes I forget to tell the Messus.

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Speaker 2: And when I lay down on the bed and they

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Speaker 2: see my back and I have a giant scar down

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Speaker 2: my back, they get like all nervous or like what

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Speaker 2: is this. I'm like, oh, scoliosis. And so some of

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Speaker 2: them I'm like, and.

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Speaker 1: You've used what You've gotten more mileage out of those

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Speaker 1: rods out of your back for everything you get out

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Speaker 1: of Why Duke wanted to ride a roller I can't

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Speaker 1: ride the roller coaster, Duke, I've got rods.

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Speaker 3: In my back.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: When we were dating, shoes to Snowski and water ski

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, after we got married,

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Speaker 1: rods in my back, I.

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Speaker 3: Can't go Snowski. I can't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So anyway it was.

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Speaker 2: I also get cold relief fast.

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Speaker 3: Because of the rods in your back.

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Speaker 2: No, just because I don't want to ski, but anyway,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to go snow steak. But my point is,

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Speaker 2: so I have those issues. I have scoliosis issues. I

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Speaker 2: had a double mastic to meet. That's a big one, right,

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Speaker 2: So I have the silicone implants and I always get

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Speaker 2: nervous that I'm going to get like smushed too hard

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Speaker 2: I also travel a lot, and because of my scoliosis,

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Speaker 2: like my hips are off like half an inch maybe less.

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Speaker 2: I'm just like an I don't know if it's a

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Speaker 2: dream or a nightmare. For a massage therapist, sometimes they're excited.

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Speaker 3: I think people like challenges. Well, we're going to find out.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we are going to find out. So Sterling Richards

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Speaker 3: Doctor Sterling Richards. He is an incredible macuse but he

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Speaker 3: also has a PhD in string is it exercise physiology?

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Speaker 4: My PC is in Health and Human Performance exercise for

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Speaker 4: basically the same thing.

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Speaker 1: But he is truly He comes to our house once

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Speaker 1: a week, yes, and gives us massages. It's more than

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Speaker 1: massage though, it's more massage, physical therapy, stretching. It's just

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Speaker 1: overall health and wellness, which I'm a big believer in. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And we're excited to have your because a lot of

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Speaker 1: people have burning questions like how often should you get

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Speaker 1: a massage? Can you get a massage too often? These

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Speaker 1: are questions that people want to know. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: Why are you sore after massage? People want to know

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Speaker 2: that too.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of questions that come in, and I

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Speaker 4: think one of the biggest explanations that need to come

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Speaker 4: is that when it comes to massage, there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of different styles of massage. There's a lot of different

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Speaker 4: reasons people get massage. Massage fits under the umbrella of

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Speaker 4: manual therapy, to be honest, and so sometimes you know,

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Speaker 4: can you get it too much? The answer is yes,

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Speaker 4: you can, but you can also get it don't all that,

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Speaker 4: but yes. At the same time, I've had people who

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Speaker 4: I've seen three or four days in a row, depending

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Speaker 4: on what their specific reason was. So it kind of

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Speaker 4: to answer Julianna's question about why am I sore? Or

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Speaker 4: you know, where does that problem come from? It can

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Speaker 4: come from two reasons. A your muscles needed the work,

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Speaker 4: and it's almost like a workout kind of thing. You

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Speaker 4: worked out at the gym and you're a little stiff

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Speaker 4: and a little achy. Your body is dealing with the

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Speaker 4: manual manipulation from the massage therapists. Some of that can

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Speaker 4: be because you had poor posture or you you know,

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Speaker 4: and you're kind of realigning your musculatare a little bit,

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Speaker 4: and so that change becomes a little uncomfortable and the

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Speaker 4: is if you're sore the next day, that it eases

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Speaker 4: sore for three or four days. A lot of times

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Speaker 4: that's when the massages become too intense and you don't

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Speaker 2: And sometimes I remember back in the day in Los

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Speaker 2: and sometimes I would have like bruises, and that is

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Speaker 2: not a good thing. Like sore is what efficiency, but

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Speaker 2: bruising a whole other thing. After massage, should you be bruised.

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Speaker 4: Well, to be completely honest, I have bruised people, But

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Speaker 4: again it kind of depends on why you're there for

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Speaker 4: dealing with a shoulder, rotator, cuffishue, and I need to

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Speaker 4: do a lot of intense work. I've bruised bill before.

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Speaker 4: A lot of intense work. Bruising is a possibility. It

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Speaker 4: so sometimes that bruising is just a little bit of

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Speaker 4: irritability in the capillaries of skin, so not a problem.

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Speaker 4: But if you're bruising often usually it's too intense.

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Speaker 1: In length, I prefer the ninety minute massage because I

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Speaker 1: think you do SHD just isn't enough. But is there

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Speaker 1: a you know, is there a fine line like what

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Speaker 1: is the ideal length for a massage for the recipient

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Speaker 1: and for the messuse.

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Speaker 4: Well, I've had massages that have lasted over two hours,

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Speaker 4: depending on what needs to be done. Some times, I

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Speaker 4: have found that the longer massages are necessary on people

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Speaker 4: set overweight, because it takes more time to get through

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Speaker 4: Tall people, believe it or not, actually take a little

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Speaker 4: just there's just more body that you have to deal with.

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Speaker 4: So for generalized overall body massage, sixty minutes is doable,

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Speaker 4: ninety minutes is common and beneficial.

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Speaker 3: Two hours is not uncommon. And how many can you

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Speaker 3: do a day?

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Speaker 2: Physically?

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Speaker 3: The massage giver.

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Speaker 2: Like Bill wants to massage.

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Speaker 1: Are you just like my body can't take it because

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of work on you.

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Speaker 4: I do I I I have friends that it's their

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Speaker 4: full time job, and they they have eight hours of

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Speaker 4: massage that they do in a ten hour period. You know,

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Speaker 4: they have a little break here and there. I personally

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Speaker 4: can't do more than about four hours in a day.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm broken, my hands hurt, my back hurt.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say personally, not because you're busy doing

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Speaker 2: other things personally, like for yourself, like physically, you do

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Speaker 4: I'm limited to about four otherwise, like I've done five before,

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Speaker 4: but then the next day my hands ache things like that.

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Speaker 2: How do you like build that up? Like I always

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Speaker 2: think about that when you're working on me sterling, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: how is he able to do this? Because I try

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Speaker 2: so hard to give Bill weekly massages?

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Speaker 3: Do what come on.

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Speaker 2: This is I have tried in the past when we

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Speaker 3: We're dating twenty years ago.

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Speaker 2: And I tried to give them a massage, and I

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Speaker 2: I got this like little bed ready, I got oils out,

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Speaker 2: I put on a cute outfit, and then when I

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Speaker 2: went in, I really had good intentions sterling. After about

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Speaker 2: I'm not kidding four to five minutes, my fingers hurt

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Speaker 2: so bad, like it was really hard. How do you

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Speaker 3: It is practice.

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Speaker 4: It's it's like lifting weights or any type of physical activity.

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Speaker 4: It's it's the more you do, the more you skilled

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Speaker 4: you become. The other thing is learning how to like

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Speaker 4: manipulate your body to get more pressure with less effort,

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Speaker 4: so using your fist, using your elbow, body, not trying

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Speaker 4: to do it all with your hands because your hands

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Speaker 4: are gonna burn out really quickly.

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Speaker 2: Can I say something, because I remember Bill was all upset, well,

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Speaker 2: and I tell me if this was like cheating, So

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Speaker 2: I put my I used my elbow. I watched a

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Speaker 2: video and I used my elbow, and then I also

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Speaker 2: used the heel of my foot and I was like this, it.

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Speaker 3: Was like a horse's hoofs.

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Speaker 2: Dry skin on my heel. Whatever I got that fixed.

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Speaker 2: The bottom line is so like is that okay? Like?

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Speaker 2: Are you doing that to me? Is your heel ever

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: With you? No?

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Speaker 4: With Bill? I don't tend to use my feet, but

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Speaker 2: Did you ever know that? Bill?

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Speaker 3: I have a question.

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Speaker 1: And we went before we met you, we went and

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Speaker 2: So what is your question?

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Speaker 3: Because I have do you.

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Speaker 1: Like when recipients are talkers or you want them just

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Speaker 3: I don't say a word. I talk the whole Sterling.

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Speaker 3: Great to see you. I'm down, based down, talk to

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Speaker 2: Stop. I talk the whole time.

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Speaker 2: What do I always talk about?

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Speaker 4: Juliana and I have a conversation every time, and it

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Speaker 3: Some pleasantries.

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Speaker 2: What do you prefer? Be honest and be honest with us.

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Speaker 2: We're both sitting here. Do you prefer Bill hour or

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Speaker 3: I like them both equally for different reasons.

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Speaker 3: I improve my skill or.

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Speaker 3: Let them, but be.

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Speaker 2: Honest, we have really good conversations, and I don't feel

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Speaker 3: We've had some very serious conversations.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm there to talk like I back pain, neck pain,

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Speaker 2: I have a question, has Bill ever tooted during a massage?

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Speaker 2: And I have a second question. Have I ever tooted

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Speaker 3: Much to my recollection? Thank you? How would you handle

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Speaker 4: One of two things. Either they acknowledge it immediately and

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Speaker 3: Think I would acknowledge it right away, and I, as

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Speaker 2: I think I think I did one sterling. I think

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Speaker 3: Well, I've known you for over a decade, so it's possible.

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Speaker 1: Is this episode a friend of mine? I won't mention

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Speaker 2: Well, we don't want to go there.

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Speaker 3: This is not no it's this is a legitimate question.

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Speaker 1: And he said he couldn't enjoy the massage because he

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Speaker 4: So it's another conversation of you as the professional, follows

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Speaker 3: To be honest, you know it happens.

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Speaker 4: It's when when you study it in massage therapy school

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Speaker 4: we don't care. It doesn't affect our ability to do

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Speaker 3: We liked on the Bill and Julian a podcast which

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Speaker 2: So I have wondered that this is unfiltered. It is

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Speaker 2: unfil I just think that like poor Sterling thought he

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Speaker 3: This is should I get? This is a legitimate question,

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Speaker 3: Like no, I know.

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Speaker 1: I got a massage once you remember this. I was

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Speaker 3: You're yes, yes, there are times.

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Speaker 4: It's when we look at massage, depending on how the

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Speaker 4: it's probably unlike any pain you've ever felt, because the

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Speaker 4: So you're not going to scream or cry or be angry,

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Speaker 3: So it's not uncommon.

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Speaker 2: It was it was crazy, that's crazy, and you just

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Speaker 3: It was the Greek guy from It was like this,

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Speaker 1: I was able to run the marathon. I had all

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Speaker 2: That's a type of massage, right, that's called like fascia

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Speaker 4: It could be a variation of several things, but it's

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Speaker 2: Who needs that? Like like what would dictate needing that?

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Speaker 4: For so, fascia is a very like rigid connective tissue

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Speaker 3: It's covered in it.

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Speaker 4: So sometimes what happens is it kind of restricts and

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Speaker 4: a lot of times people with like postural deviations, like

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Speaker 3: That could be a huge benefit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I remember I would get

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Speaker 3: It's very common with something like.

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Speaker 3: Yep, this is actually really good.

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Speaker 4: I know people who also get it for hip replacements

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Speaker 1: What about combining dry needling with massageses? Dry needling work

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Speaker 1: needling is an interesting conversation.

446
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Speaker 4: And if you have somebody who's an acupuncturist and a

447
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 4: dry needler that's not acupuncture training, it's a whole battle

448
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,160
Speaker 4: that you don't want to get involved in. I don't

449
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 4: have that skill set. I know people that do. But

450
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 4: if you know what you're doing, it's very beneficial because

451
00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,200
Speaker 4: it's very pinpointed and very specific. But as a result,

452
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 4: you have to be extremely precise, and if you're not

453
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 4: as good at it, you're not as precise. So that's

454
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Speaker 4: why when it comes to drainn needling, you need people

455
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 4: who have a lot of experience at that.

456
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Speaker 2: When dry needling, yeah it looks like the best.

457
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 3: Yeah in your area. I did it after my rotator

458
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,919
Speaker 3: cuff surgery, and uh, I mean I was like the

459
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 3: best patient ever because I did like hyperbaric chamber, I

460
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 3: did dry needling. I did, you know, whatever whatever was

461
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 3: out there, I tried it.

462
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Speaker 4: And when I've had dry needling versions, I used an

463
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 4: acupuncturist who specifically has trained for what they call orthopedic needling,

464
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Speaker 4: and it's the variation of dry needling in acupucture.

465
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Speaker 3: You like acupuncture, I do. I do. I have a

466
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 3: wonderful acupucturist. That's awesome.

467
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Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, so we got to do more stuff like this. Yeah,

468
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 2: we're getting massages all the time.

469
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Sterling's on hiatus. So I'm a little

470
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Speaker 1: pisted at you right now. I'm not going to lie

471
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Speaker 1: to you.

472
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Speaker 3: I understand you injured yourself. I'm got injured. He's so bad.

473
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 3: I did it on purpose, Bill, I needed a break.

474
00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 2: But talking, I do talk Sterling off like I actually

475
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 2: kind of sometimes feel bad when you leave Sterling. I'm like,

476
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 2: I talk to Sterling too much because I probably Yes.

477
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 3: I can handle it. I'm all right. And he never

478
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 3: left your house. Worried about that? Ever?

479
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: Do you have a client who talks more than me?

480
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 4: Not anymore? She she ran away and moved to Florida.

481
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 4: But yes, I had a woman that I have a question.

482
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Speaker 2: I won one person more than.

483
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 4: I will say, you're a close second. But no, she

484
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 4: like I rarely. I rarely gave any I rarely spoke.

485
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 4: She would just talk at me for an hour.

486
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Speaker 3: Welcome to my world. At least, I don't know, at

487
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:55,479
Speaker 3: least a conversation at this.

488
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: Look at this, She's showing me all these videos of

489
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Speaker 1: dogs and this talk a lot about it.

490
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Speaker 2: I draw I for all my like dog stories on Sterling.

491
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 2: I do do that, but I feel like am I wrong?

492
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: Or sometimes like I will be like talking at like

493
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Speaker 2: one hundred miles an hour, and then I'm like, have

494
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Speaker 2: I right?

495
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 3: Yes?

496
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 4: There have been times that we're having a full conversation

497
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 4: and then I will respond to you, and then it's

498
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 4: silence for about ten minutes, like all right, well, guess

499
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 4: conversations over. The funniest thing is that that's not uncommon

500
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 4: is that when you're giving massage there are times when

501
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 4: people literally just are asleep.

502
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 3: And that's usually when the who who knew.

503
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Speaker 2: Massages were so competible.

504
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Speaker 1: Well, I was actually researching this when I knew Sterling

505
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: was going to be a guest, and I was doing

506
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Speaker 1: a little bit of digging last night. And sometimes when

507
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: people get into the massage and they're just in this state,

508
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Speaker 1: they actually develop some incontinence.

509
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Speaker 4: M hm.

510
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Speaker 3: Has that ever happened to you? It has happened. I mean,

511
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 3: that's that's like you're so relaxed you It's called incontinence.

512
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Speaker 3: I can google it for you. Kind of English is

513
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 3: your second than.

514
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: They actually will wet the massage table because they're just

515
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: in this state of total relaxation that their body just freeze.

516
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 4: Itself and and and again, talking about another another embarrassing situation.

517
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 4: But for the professional, it's one of those things that

518
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 4: it has happened. Not every massage therapists experiences. I'm sure

519
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 4: I have experienced it with clients of mine. Interestingly enough,

520
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 4: there are people that are more likely to experience that,

521
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 4: women who have recently had a child, especially vaginal birth.

522
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 3: It's totally normal, totally not uncommon.

523
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 4: If it might be something that the massage therapist needs

524
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Speaker 4: to let them know if this happens, don't panic.

525
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 3: Ye going to be a minor up charge.

526
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 2: I like that, but a good therapist would tell them

527
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Speaker 2: like ahead of time, and then it kind of takes

528
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Speaker 2: the pressure.

529
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 4: Off of don't panic, don't freak out. It's something that

530
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 4: has happened before. You know, it's not any and necessarily

531
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 4: anything to worry about that. I've also worked with men

532
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 4: who have had prostate surgery, same situation has happened, So

533
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 4: it just it just kind of depends, you know. Usually

534
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 4: it's for individuals who have had some form of medical

535
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 4: scenario that has recently occurred, like a surgery or a

536
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 4: childbirth or things like that.

537
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 3: But no, it can happen.

538
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Speaker 2: I have a question, so after I get a massage,

539
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Speaker 2: should I drink water? Like do I need to be

540
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: drinking like a glass water? Because sometimes we do it

541
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Speaker 2: at night and I just want to go straight to

542
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: bed and not have any water. But I heard you

543
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 2: should drink water after massage because everything. Okay, I don't

544
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 2: know all the science behind it, but it's something like

545
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 2: everything's like moving around and stuff, and so you just

546
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 2: want to drink water to.

547
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 3: Like flush out the Yes.

548
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 2: Because the toxins got released. Is that true?

549
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 4: So to some extent we all need to drink more

550
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 4: water because we just don't drink enough, regardless whether you're

551
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 4: getting a massage or not. But the reason that the

552
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 4: recommendation for water is not necessarily that the toxins are released. Yes,

553
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 4: there are some changes in some of the chemical structures

554
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 4: of your body, but it's more because as you do

555
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 4: massage therapy and you know, strict the muscles and work

556
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 4: on the skin, for instance, the fluid balance in your

557
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 4: body kind of shifts. It doesn't disappear, obviously, because it's

558
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 4: still in your body, but it just shifts, and so

559
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 4: drinking water kind of helps reregulate that. It stimulates the kidneys,

560
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 4: It kind of stimulates the uptake of your lymphatic drainage

561
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 4: to kind of re establish normal water balance in your body,

562
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 4: which your kidneys, your liver, your spleen are your detoxifying tissues.

563
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 4: So it does kind of stimulate all those things, so

564
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 4: it kind of tangentially.

565
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 3: I guess you could say that it.

566
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 4: Helps with detoxing the body, but it's not that the

567
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 4: toxins are released, it's that your water balance is actually

568
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 4: shifting a little bit and you need to re establish that.

569
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Speaker 2: I have another question. Do you think that massage could

570
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: like because you know, you're you're like pushing the skin

571
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 2: and stretching it. So if I get too much massage,

572
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: will I get too much wrinkles?

573
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 3: No? Do you know what I mean? I do know

574
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 3: what you mean?

575
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: Like, am I going to get saggy skin on my

576
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 2: arms and legs because you were stretching me outly?

577
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: No?

578
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 4: Really, the reason is is because the reason that skin

579
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 4: changes and gets wrinkles or or changes its tension is

580
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 4: related to the collagen fibers and the skin and the

581
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 4: elastin fibers in your skin. Collagen gives it structure, elastin

582
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 4: gives it its tension, and those things are actually stimulated

583
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 4: by physical contact. So it may actually help to tighten

584
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 4: skin in certain areas. Not necessarily the face. That's a

585
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 4: face massage.

586
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 3: Face.

587
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 4: I'm not promising anything, but no, it can actually like

588
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 4: stimulate their their function, and so it can actually create

589
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 4: more tensions.

590
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: Tighten your skin as opposed to loosening as opposed to loosening.

591
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 2: That's interesting, right, Well, I did some research too. See,

592
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: I don't believe I just came up with that.

593
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about the business

594
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: side of it, because the price of a massage varies

595
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: so much, right Like, it's all over the map. People

596
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: just decide to charge what they want to charge. What

597
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: is a reasonable price to pay for a sixty minute massage?

598
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 3: There is no good answer for that.

599
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 4: And the reason is is because it's all based upon

600
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 4: the market.

601
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 3: You know.

602
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 4: I mean here in the city of Chicago, it's going

603
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 4: to be different than in the suburbs of Chicago, which

604
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 4: is going to be very different than in the suburbs

605
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 4: or you know, the middle of nowhere in Tennessee. And

606
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 4: so like, you'll have people at conferences or people that

607
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 4: you meet that live in West Virginia or that live

608
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 4: in New Mexico, and they're charging sixty dollars for an hour,

609
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 4: maybe fifty dollars for an hour. And then you have

610
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 4: some people in la or Miami and they won't do

611
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 4: anything for less than one hundred and fifty to two

612
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 4: hundred dollars an hour if you're lucky. That's if you

613
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 4: come to them and they don't have to do anything.

614
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 4: And but like if you're going to people's houses, if

615
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 4: you're doing on call, if you're doing longer massages, I

616
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 4: mean there are people that three hundred dollars for a

617
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 4: ninety minute massage is not uncommon, you know. And then

618
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 4: you go to spas or hotels or anything like that,

619
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 4: and of course the upcharge because you have the sauna

620
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 4: or the steam or the whatever and the amenities, and

621
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 4: you're paying four hundred and fifty five hundred dollars for

622
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 4: a ninety minute massage in Las Vegas at you know,

623
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 4: one of the big hotels.

624
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: You do need to know that, Like if you're going

625
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: to a spa, it's going to be more expensive, not

626
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 2: necessarily because your massage is any better, but because you're

627
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: it's the up charge of all the other things that

628
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: are there.

629
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: Well, it's always hit or miss too when you go

630
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: to like a hotel, Like sometimes you get a great

631
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: therapist and then other times she's just rubbing oil up

632
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: and like there's no pressure. It's not really doesn't really

633
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: benefit a guy.

634
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 4: Like me, right, and it depends on what the massage

635
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 4: is right. And so one of the things as far

636
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 4: as massage is concerned, is that you can be bad

637
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 4: at getting or receiving a massage.

638
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: What do you mean you can be a bad bad recipient.

639
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 4: Neither of you are bad recipient panic how But one

640
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 4: of the things is you go in with expectations without

641
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 4: communicating with the therapist. And so if they're like, oh,

642
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 4: I want a relaxing massage, okay, the therapist has this

643
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 4: thought of what a relaxing massage would be from them

644
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 4: as a professional, but that may not be what you

645
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 4: want or expect, and so communication is important. Another thing

646
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 4: is having expectations regarding the treatment. So I've had people

647
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 4: with deep tissue like, oh, you can go deeper, you

648
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 4: can go deeper. And yet as I push in there

649
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 4: flinching and kind of pulling back, and they're like, I

650
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 4: can I can handle it, I can work through it.

651
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 4: And it's like at this point, we're just playing tug

652
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 4: war and I'm just going to beat you up, and

653
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,479
Speaker 4: neither of us are going to serve any purpose. So

654
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 4: I think it's important to know as a as a

655
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 4: recipient to talk to your therapist. What is it that

656
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 4: you want, You know, if you're at a spa, because

657
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 4: as you're there for a weekend and you're just enjoying

658
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 4: the massage, Yeah, I have some issues in my neck,

659
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 4: but I want this to be relaxing. They can make

660
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 4: a treatment around you, but talk to your therapist.

661
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

662
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: So, because we've been talking so much about some of

663
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: the things, I totally forgot. The initial response is can

664
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: you get too many massages? I literally forgot was the

665
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: answer yes or no?

666
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: So I can tell Bill yes. The answer is thank god, you.

667
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: Just saved us so much money literally a salary.

668
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: The answer is yes.

669
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 4: You know, like I said, I've had people that I've

670
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 4: seen multiple times a week, but it's for very specific.

671
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 3: I would do twice a week if I could, and

672
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: that's not too much. Actually I would do twice.

673
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: Okay.

674
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 4: The body needs time to recover again, re establishing water

675
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 4: balance if the tissue, if it's a very deep tissue massage,

676
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 4: it can be a little intense and the body needs

677
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 4: time to kind of get back to normal.

678
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 3: A couple of days in between, two or three days

679
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: in between Monday Thursday and Sunday Thursday. That is definitely

680
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 3: within reason.

681
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: Something that that you mentioned to be confidentially last time

682
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: you were at our house.

683
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 3: I think it's important to bring up.

684
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: No, wait, hold on, can I just stop? If he

685
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: gave you something confidential, that's okay.

686
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: We're in the safe song, we're not in the.

687
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: Safe so we're not in the sa millions of people,

688
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: billions of people.

689
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: Around the world, or there's three billions out of courtesy.

690
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: I always shower before I get a massage.

691
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: My wife doesn't necessarily agree with that, so she just

692
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: rolls in.

693
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: I shower after right. You don't shot that. It's not

694
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: it's not preferred.

695
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 4: I I unless you come in out of the garden

696
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 4: and are dirty and filthy, it's not.

697
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 3: A problem for me. You'd ask me to say something.

698
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: To do I have I ever smelled?

699
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 4: Tell the truth, I've never had I've never had a

700
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 4: problem with either maybe my feet.

701
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: Maybe my feet.

702
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 4: I have a problem with everyone's feet when it comes

703
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 4: to summer, because everybody's walking around in the sandals and

704
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 4: they're just gross.

705
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: And you know you're not. You don't spend a lot

706
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: of time on the feet giving like I can tell

707
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: you're not.

708
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: Like, you don't spends a lot of time on my

709
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: mine because you're for other things.

710
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 3: Getting beautiful feet are so good, I'm going to make

711
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 3: a fortune.

712
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: Bill could literally started only fans for his feet. He

713
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: has the most beautiful man toes I have ever laid

714
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: eyes on or sucked. It's just kidding. I've never sucked

715
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: his toes in my life. I've never ever sucked a toe.

716
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: Can you show the world your toes?

717
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: Not right now?

718
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: I think he should? Are they not ready? What's so

719
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: my second toes longer than my friend? And even though

720
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: that's a sign of intelligence that your second toes longer

721
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: than your first, they do say it's a sign of intelligence.

722
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: It's not attractive. I have a low score. What do

723
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: I have higher foot score on Wiki than I do?

724
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: So you have very beautiful man to car.

725
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to I'm going to make a killing.

726
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: What is a new car?

727
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: The money they're going to pay to look at my feet?

728
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: Do you know how much money you're gonna make on

729
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: only fans? You need to show the world.

730
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 3: I'm never flying Southwest Airlines again.

731
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: You don't do much it now? Can you show your toes?

732
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: Can we can start making money now? I can't come on, honey,

733
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: you want to air playing. And by the way, this

734
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: is a man who gets no pedicures and he is

735
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: the most beautiful. Not a corn, not a callus, not

736
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: a bungeon, not no dry skin.

737
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: They are good looking feet. I mean that's my best feature.

738
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 2: Well, Sterling, it has been such a pleasure. We love

739
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: you so much, Thank you very much. Thank you for

740
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: like always, just honestly, whenever you come over, it's like

741
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 2: the highlight of our week.

742
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 3: Shoulders drop, we wake.

743
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: Up, we feel better, and we travel so much. You know,

744
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: very you have a.

745
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 3: Gift from God. Thank you.

746
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 2: It's amazing.

747
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, we love you. Talent that is incredible, so well,

748
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: thank you. Yeah, I'm glad that I can share it

749
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 3: with you.

750
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: And if you don't get well soon back years, I

751
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: swear to God, Sterling.

752
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 4: I'm working on it. I'm improving every day, so working

753
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 4: on it. Thank you, Thank you, Richards, everybody, thank you

754
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 4: very much.

755
00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: Thank you.

756
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: Fo