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Speaker 4: Well, look, you told me what the concept for this
Speaker 4: show is going to be. Mm hmmm. We're returning to
Speaker 4: our roots in a sense because we came up with
Speaker 4: the concept about five minutes before we hit the record button.
Speaker 4: We've done this pretty much throughout the entire run here
Speaker 4: of the solid verbal. It's kind of come up with
Speaker 4: things on the fly. Yeah, this was your creation. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're talking about dunks today. We are, which is a
Speaker 4: great word. It's a great word to say, yunk. It
Speaker 4: has a lot of different meanings, a lot of different uses.
Speaker 4: Obviously the basketball dunking, the dunk tank. You can dunk
Speaker 4: somebody in a pool like manually, you can dunk food
Speaker 4: like dunk fries into some or you can dunk oreos,
Speaker 4: or obviously you can dunk in football. You can dink
Speaker 4: and dunk. Right, that's a strategy that you could employ.
Speaker 4: But this sort of the timing of the show coincides
Speaker 4: with the NBA Dunk Contest, which I watched zero seconds
Speaker 4: up say and heard it was a disaster. Same Nonetheless,
Speaker 4: I'm still a dunking enthusiast. I am still somebody who
Speaker 4: lowered the rim on my driveway basket growing up to
Speaker 4: like you know, it depended when I was super young,
Speaker 4: six feet seven feet, eight feet whatever and did like
Speaker 4: my d brown cover my eyes. You know, I would
Speaker 4: try to replicate all of those things. And I had
Speaker 4: little brothers and I would just dunk on them all
Speaker 4: day long. I'm not I don't love dunking on Twitter.
Speaker 4: I think that idea is kind of pass and stupid.
Speaker 4: But nonetheless, once again, I love a good dunk. I
Speaker 4: love a good dunk, and I want to evaluate the
Speaker 4: jobs and potential of twenty twenty one first year head
Speaker 4: co Your Shane Bemers, your Andy Avili your is that
Speaker 4: plural for Andy Alos?
Speaker 3: I believe that's his preference, that's his family's preference. And
Speaker 3: across the across the country, Blake Anderson, guys that had
Speaker 3: a year one situation Bert Beelima and not just figure
Speaker 3: out how they did and what they did, and where
Speaker 3: they progressed their program and where perhaps they took a
Speaker 3: step back based on what the previous guy did, but
Speaker 3: also just how high they can fly and just what
Speaker 3: they would do, like Michael Scott.
Speaker 2: You have no idea how high I can fly?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: What they would do in the open court with the ball,
Speaker 3: not necessarily dunking, but if they're going for a fundamentally
Speaker 3: sound layup, is that they're ceiling in terms of how
Speaker 3: high they can fly tomahawk jam thinking they can dunk
Speaker 3: but breaking it terribly and spraining an ankle.
Speaker 4: What what is the the.
Speaker 3: Literal and figurative height that we believe these coaches can
Speaker 3: fly if everything adds up the way that they're intending.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I like this. I like this a lot.
Speaker 4: I'm already looking at the list of first year coaches
Speaker 4: trying to figure out what Lance Ipold's doing. If he's
Speaker 4: just got open floor in front of him, Sure, what
Speaker 4: is Lance Liepold, Kansas doing? Open floor, all gas, no breaks?
Speaker 1: What's he doing?
Speaker 3: Did you go to basketball camp? By the way, No,
Speaker 3: was that ever a thing you did. You never went
Speaker 3: to basketball. You never even tried to get better at
Speaker 3: basketball any on any level.
Speaker 4: No, I you know what I was When I played
Speaker 4: youth basketball. I was the guy who went and stood
Speaker 4: in the corner and said pass me the ball, and
Speaker 4: every now and again i'd hit a shines. My career
Speaker 4: best for points and organized basketball was eight. I had
Speaker 4: one eight point game. Oh that was the best I
Speaker 4: ever did. I wasn't a rebounder. I wasn't a dribbler.
Speaker 4: I was a good glue guy like I got along
Speaker 4: with everybody on the team. I like to play defense.
Speaker 4: I often went for the steal, but rarely got And
Speaker 4: I just was not a scorer. I was more of
Speaker 4: a more of just kind of like there to build
Speaker 4: tea morale.
Speaker 1: I was not good at basketball.
Speaker 3: You sound more like glue means you're doing the little
Speaker 3: things and making effort. If you're standing in the corner
Speaker 3: not scoring, I'm not sure what you're holding around. I'd
Speaker 3: run around, but my shot of choice was from the corner.
Speaker 3: What I did in the open floor, and Mama h
Speaker 3: will attest to this open floor. Nobody in front of me.
Speaker 3: Went up there, bricked it on.
Speaker 4: The first try.
Speaker 1: This is not a dunk, this is a layup.
Speaker 4: Got the rebound, put it in on the second attempt,
Speaker 4: only to find out that the reason the floor was
Speaker 4: open is because it was my own basket. I did
Speaker 4: that off the.
Speaker 3: Tip, off my own goal and own basket.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, The reason I asked about basketball camp is I'm
Speaker 3: gonna set the standard here. The standard here is obviously
Speaker 3: Nick Saban in the open floor doing whatever he wants,
Speaker 3: like the greatest, don you know, doctor j Michael Jordan whatever.
Speaker 3: I just remember in basketball camp, we would watch videos
Speaker 3: while eating pizza and taters. That was the chosen food midday,
Speaker 3: playing sports all to.
Speaker 4: The two food groups.
Speaker 3: Sure shout out Jack Hayley, rest in peace and his
Speaker 3: camp at seasun cal State Northridge. But we'd watch these
Speaker 3: VHS tapes of Michael Jordan in slow motion. They licensed music,
Speaker 3: and it would just be Michael Jordan in slow motion,
Speaker 3: dunking onlike zil' I was gonna sae asil junis Olgasciz,
Speaker 3: I'm screwing up my my generations, but dunking on like
Speaker 3: Kevin Willis with Berlin playing in the background.
Speaker 4: So like the das, were they trying to show you
Speaker 4: how to do the dunks? Or was it just kind
Speaker 4: of like no motivation as you were eating your junk food.
Speaker 3: Just buying time, just buying time to get these kids
Speaker 3: out of the camp whatever. So that's so, that's the
Speaker 3: the absolute apex is the Berlin take my breath Away,
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan, visual and everything else. I don't know what
Speaker 3: the bottom the baseline is like Philip Seymour Hoffman, and
Speaker 3: along came Polly where he's just sweating and bricking and
Speaker 3: yelling and confident with no reason Kobe. So that's I
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Speaker 3: and defense. I also looked at how these teams finished
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Speaker 3: judge first year head coaches, which isn't entirely fair, can
Speaker 3: be looked at in terms of how a team finished,
Speaker 3: you know, how the motivation kept up. I know we
Speaker 3: have housekeeping to go to, but those are the things
Speaker 3: we're going to look at, and then we're going to
Speaker 3: discuss their open floor ceiling.
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Speaker 2: Yeh, of course you have no idea how high I
Speaker 2: can fly?
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Speaker 4: So once again we are looking at I guess freshman coaches, right,
Speaker 4: and the job that they did when they were merely freshmen.
Speaker 3: Compromise, Sorry, that's my that's my singing.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: So so there isn't a standard rubric ahead of where
Speaker 3: we are going with the visual of them, what they're
Speaker 3: doing in the open floor, attempting to dunk or finish emphatically.
Speaker 3: But you have a list, We can have whatever you want.
Speaker 4: I have a list.
Speaker 3: This is my disclaimer. It's an especially or was an
Speaker 3: especially difficult time to be a first year head coach,
Speaker 3: and I think it will be for the time being
Speaker 3: because of the timing of early signing day, because of
Speaker 3: the number of transfers now because of eligibility coming off
Speaker 3: of COVID. With the added eligibility, so there's all sorts
Speaker 3: of different roster wrinkles that didn't really exist about five
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 4: Roster wrinkles is going to be the name of our
Speaker 4: emo band. Yeah, thank you. Oh I like that.
Speaker 3: So with that caveat, with that disclaimer, obviously there's always
Speaker 3: a reason, generally not a good one, why a new
Speaker 3: coach is hired. Sometimes the previous guy did so well
Speaker 3: at a place set up for success that they had
Speaker 3: to hire a new guy. Not the case all the time.
Speaker 3: So we are going to look out a number of
Speaker 3: these guys replaced fired coaches, and there's a reason. So
Speaker 3: you can't fully judge anybody on year one and sometimes
Speaker 3: even year two. By year three you generally can. We've
Speaker 3: already done a year two show. So now here is
Speaker 3: our freshman evaluation for some reason, with how they would
Speaker 3: do in the open floor dunking the ball. Where should
Speaker 3: we start typing?
Speaker 4: I want to start with Tennessee. I want to start
Speaker 4: with Josh Hipel. Yes, Josh Hipel came in. He replaced
Speaker 4: Jeremy Prewitt fairly late in the cycle. You'll recall the
Speaker 4: prue and stuff exploded. Tennessee had gone three and seven
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, just wasn't a good campaign. Danny White
Speaker 4: came up to Tennessee. He hired his guy in Josh
Speaker 4: Hipel away from UCF. Tennessee went seven and six last season,
Speaker 4: lost the Bowl game seven to five. Regular season second
Speaker 4: order wins, which is a statistic that I like to
Speaker 4: look at just to I don't know get Bill C's
Speaker 4: take on things. Second order wins had Tennessee as an
Speaker 4: eight win team, Okay, Josh Hypel. Tennessee is a really interesting,
Speaker 4: I guess, starter case for us here because that is
Speaker 4: a situation that I was not all that excited about.
Speaker 4: I didn't really know what to make of that hire
Speaker 4: to begin with. Maybe it's because I didn't know enough
Speaker 4: about Josh Hypel. I don't know, but I think year
Speaker 4: one was very promising. As I look at the SP
Speaker 4: plus final standings from Bill c He's got Tennessee as
Speaker 4: a top ten team. So I think of the way
Speaker 4: that our thinking has evolved on Tennessee throughout the course
Speaker 4: of the last year, and for me, I've come a
Speaker 4: long ways, a long ways towards accepting this program as
Speaker 4: maybe one that is now on the straight and narrow
Speaker 4: about to pop in twenty twenty two. And definitely, definitely,
Speaker 4: definitely I think beyond a shadow of a doubt better
Speaker 4: now than it was when he got there. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: oh absolutely. And it wasn't.
Speaker 3: When you look at what Tennessee was able to do
Speaker 3: this past year, it was not a luck thing. They
Speaker 3: started off a little bit shaky, but it wasn't a
Speaker 3: crazy turnover margin year. It wasn't constantly playing teams with
Speaker 3: beat up quarterbacks or.
Speaker 4: Something like that.
Speaker 3: I think it was solid progress And when you look
Speaker 3: at what Tennessee was able to do as it relates
Speaker 3: to the twenty twenty year, which again grain of salt,
Speaker 3: they had the number three most improved defense in the
Speaker 3: country or excuse me, number three most improved offense when
Speaker 3: it comes to points per drive, which is not surprising
Speaker 3: when you look at some of the fireworks that the
Speaker 3: balls were able to generate. The defense was slightly worse
Speaker 3: and with how they finished winning three or five competitive
Speaker 3: for a stretch against Alabama, but ultimately the tide runaway,
Speaker 3: not competitive against Georgia, but certainly the Kentucky win upon
Speaker 3: further reflection, you know, certainly impressive. So I don't know
Speaker 3: how you come away anything but encouraged. And now look
Speaker 3: it's Hendon Hooker and he was kind of a pre formed,
Speaker 3: successful quarterback coming in to Tennessee, and the portal didn't
Speaker 3: wasn't considered to be started. I think Joe Milton won
Speaker 3: Milton initially Joe Milton. Yeah, so things sort of course corrected.
Speaker 3: In Knoxville, they have what I think was a top
Speaker 3: twenty class, you know, in the first full Josh Hypel
Speaker 3: class eighth in the SEC. They do have, or at
Speaker 3: least in this class, a quarterback of the future. I
Speaker 3: believe his name is Tavian Jackson from Indiana. So I
Speaker 3: think there is if I'm going to look at this
Speaker 3: in the dunk context, dunk context that Josh Hypel is
Speaker 3: going to confidently.
Speaker 4: With, especially how you look at how he throws the.
Speaker 3: Ball downfield, confidently go up for and succeed in dunking.
Speaker 3: It's not going to be the prettiest and most emphatic,
Speaker 3: but I think he can clear rim. Absolutely can clear
Speaker 3: rim and not make a fool of himself with all
Speaker 3: eyes on him like you did.
Speaker 4: Are you able to get rim? Were you ever able
Speaker 4: to get rim when you jumped? I think like grazing rim.
Speaker 4: Nothing that I would could ever do that would be
Speaker 4: impressive to people, like because I'm taller than you too.
Speaker 4: So I was probably about six feet in high school.
Speaker 4: But with the ball in my hands, I was not
Speaker 4: soaring over people. It was like running super hard, unencumbered,
Speaker 4: holding nothing. I could maybe graze rim or at least
Speaker 4: the bars supporting the rim coming down I could get
Speaker 4: That was about my limit. I could get net. Look
Speaker 4: at you, I could get net and that was exciting. Yeah,
Speaker 4: of course, Josh Hipel, I think can aspire to greater heights.
Speaker 4: There's a little bit of flash there, a little bit
Speaker 4: of flash there in the way he conducts his offense.
Speaker 4: I think we're going to see more of it in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two. I'm excited about that. Yeah, I'm excited
Speaker 4: about that. The interesting thing will be in this marketplace,
Speaker 4: in this world, in a world if Tennessee is a
Speaker 4: destination job for Josh Hipel in a world in which
Speaker 4: destination jobs don't exist, and that can be a difficult
Speaker 4: place to navigate that if he gets an offer at
Speaker 4: a bigger place or a comparable place because he doesn't
Speaker 4: have Tennessee roots obviously going back to his time at
Speaker 4: Oklahoma that didn't work out, it will be interesting to
Speaker 4: see if he carries them to an SEC East Division
Speaker 4: winning place, if he's long for Knoxville. But that's a
Speaker 4: terrific problem to have. Oh, if you're a Boll fan,
Speaker 4: I see this situation as an aliop. And I'm not
Speaker 4: talking about a dunk contest grade alioop where there's a
Speaker 4: windmill or a behind the back or any kind of antics.
Speaker 4: I'm talking game used alioop makes a break down the
Speaker 4: baseline point guard throws it up, catches it mid flight
Speaker 4: two handed dunk, so more of a specialized dunker, more
Speaker 4: of a specialized dunker, but there when he needs to
Speaker 4: be able to throw it down if he has to. Okay,
Speaker 4: not necessarily with the glitz and glamour that you'd expect
Speaker 4: of a dunk contest, or even in the open floor
Speaker 4: right right where you can do whatever you want. But
Speaker 4: I just I see it as an efficient dunk here
Speaker 4: a rim roller. Yeah maybe because and I didn't think
Speaker 4: this up because I just heard about the game. But
Speaker 4: efficiency really was the name of the game for this
Speaker 4: Tennessee offense.
Speaker 1: They're very efficient.
Speaker 4: So I see him as an efficient two handed dunker,
Speaker 4: somebody who could definitely get to those heights. The question is,
Speaker 4: is a two handed dunk standard two handed dunk in
Speaker 4: the open floor as an ALI loop? Is that enough
Speaker 4: to get you over the hump of the Georgia Bulldogs
Speaker 4: like you're not winning any dunk contests against.
Speaker 3: I think it is. It is my opinion that Tennessee,
Speaker 3: to whatever extent, even having been blown out by the Dogs,
Speaker 3: have slightly or respectably closed the gap. It's still pretty wide.
Speaker 3: It's still pretty wide. But what the SEC East has
Speaker 3: needed with Florida's inconsistencies with South Carolina falling off the map,
Speaker 3: with Kentucky looking good but kind of having a ceiling
Speaker 3: because of some poor offenses before last season, and Eliam
Speaker 3: Cohen's gone the East and the top of the East
Speaker 3: not necessarily winning the East, but that top group in
Speaker 3: the East has definitely kept a place warm for Tennessee. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because nobody is necessarily claiming it right now alongside the
Speaker 3: dogs with now Florida starting over, let's go over to Auburn.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what worries me a little bit about Auburn in
Speaker 4: light of recent circumstances. You've seen the clip where they
Speaker 4: take sort of a normal peon somebody who can't jump
Speaker 4: like me frankly can't actually dunk. But they give them
Speaker 4: a trampoline and they tell them run and jump on
Speaker 4: the trampoline and that's going to give you the clearness
Speaker 4: to get up to be above the rim Steve Carell style.
Speaker 4: How high can you lie?
Speaker 2: Dan?
Speaker 4: And that's going to allow.
Speaker 1: Them to dunk.
Speaker 4: But we've all seen the clips where they put somebody
Speaker 4: in that circumstance and they just short it goes wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they short it either they go a little bit long
Speaker 4: and they maybe rack their head on the backboard, or
Speaker 4: perhaps they just come up embarrassingly short. Right. Frankly, I
Speaker 4: don't know where we're at with Brian Harrison. I had
Speaker 4: a lot of optimism for the start of the Brian
Speaker 4: Harrison regime because bo Nix was playing better. We saw
Speaker 4: what Auburn did on the road against Penn State. Granted,
Speaker 4: Penn State maybe didn't end up being a world beater,
Speaker 4: but that was still an awesome moment. Very early on
Speaker 4: in the season, Auburn finished six and seven. Their second
Speaker 4: order wins was six point seven, so they were pretty
Speaker 4: much right where Bill c thought they should be. This
Speaker 4: is on the heels of a six and five campaign
Speaker 4: that got Gus Malson fired. Now, Gus Melson was on
Speaker 4: the hot seat, not on the hot seat for a
Speaker 4: good five years at Auburn. Right, six and five was
Speaker 4: really just the culmination of a bunch of years where
Speaker 4: he was sort of on a warm seat. But Brian
Speaker 4: Harson to come in to start strong in the way
Speaker 4: that they did, and then for it to sort of
Speaker 4: peter out. And now all of this goofiness with respect
Speaker 4: to the internal investigation nineteen guys transferring out, go back
Speaker 4: and listen to the interview we did with Justin Ferguson
Speaker 4: of Auburnobserver dot com and you can get more details
Speaker 4: on what exactly is going on inside the ropes an
Speaker 4: of Auburn. But I'm not sure, frankly, what's happening here
Speaker 4: for Brian Harrison on an open floor.
Speaker 3: I think he looks like he might have the ability
Speaker 3: to dunk it but refuses to. Maybe his maybe his
Speaker 3: dad was like, no hot dogging, no showboating, play the
Speaker 3: game like it was meant to be played. And he
Speaker 3: wears shorter shorts and and he's just going up for layups,
Speaker 3: sometimes doing like going up for layup but pump faking,
Speaker 3: so somebody trailing flies by him and then he goes
Speaker 3: for like a very boring layup. And maybe that's reminiscent
Speaker 3: of the lack of recruiting, the lack of flash on
Speaker 3: the trail, guys leaving, and Brian Harson being stubborn of
Speaker 3: just like I'm just going to do a jump stop
Speaker 3: and put it in the hoop off of the backboard.
Speaker 3: But I digress. The thing, the actual football things to
Speaker 3: know about Brian Harrison as a freshman at Auburn. The
Speaker 3: defense under Derek Mason who's now gone improved decently from
Speaker 3: where it was in the In the final year of
Speaker 3: the Gus mals on Are, it improved decently, especially upfront.
Speaker 3: The offense did regress a bit, but I you know,
Speaker 3: you can attribute some of that to Bo Nicks's injury
Speaker 3: at the end of the season, and you know, the
Speaker 3: offense not really having a consistent like you know, they
Speaker 3: would pop against schools, they would pop for a half
Speaker 3: against schools, and then they would just here, like in
Speaker 3: the Texas A and M game. So overall, it did
Speaker 3: regress a bit from where it had been, which was
Speaker 3: a more talented place in terms of offensive skill. I
Speaker 3: believe if you look at the entirety of that offensive
Speaker 3: roster before the Brian Harson era, Auburn did lose four
Speaker 3: of five. They were competitive, but also that notion of
Speaker 3: being competitive includes kind of blowing the Alabama game, the
Speaker 3: Mississippi State game like an ugly sort of competitive at times.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to stick with my stubbornly insisting on
Speaker 3: a jump stop banked layup that there is there are
Speaker 3: moments of fundamentally sound play, but ultimately the highs that
Speaker 3: Brian Harson is realistically trying to get to are not
Speaker 3: all that impressive.
Speaker 4: I love the thought of running down open floor, pump
Speaker 4: fake guy flies by, and it's really just a small
Speaker 4: bank shot.
Speaker 3: Just a little, little set shot, little bank shot.
Speaker 4: Used to practice those back in the day. Dan of
Speaker 4: anaa in house basketball. When I played on the Black
Speaker 4: team and the Tan team, I was never particularly good
Speaker 4: at any of them. You didn't even have team names.
Speaker 3: He were just like, that's Tie, he's on the Tan team.
Speaker 4: That's exactly what it was. I was on the Tan
Speaker 4: team and I was on the Black team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you need to come out West. We had leagues
Speaker 3: that licensed bulls and hornets and all that stuff. Okay,
Speaker 3: where are we going next?
Speaker 4: I'm in agreement with you. By the way, I kind
Speaker 4: of feel the same. I don't know what to make
Speaker 4: a Harrison. I could go a thousand different ways. Let's
Speaker 4: go to Illinois and Brett Beilamo. Okay, all right. They
Speaker 4: went five and seven this past season with a four
Speaker 4: point seven second order wins tally from Bill c Okay,
Speaker 4: this is a little luck, a little bit of luck.
Speaker 4: There was a two wins sixth season that got Lovey
Speaker 4: Smith fired.
Speaker 3: Excuse you, Houston, Texan NFL head coach Lovey Smith somehow
Speaker 3: continue he.
Speaker 4: Used Illinois's springboard. Of course, Yes, the Bilma hire was
Speaker 4: always interesting. You know, he's a big personality. Folks are
Speaker 4: familiar with Brett Bilma from his time at Wisconsin and Arkansas.
Speaker 4: He's been around sport for a good long time, and
Speaker 4: so him getting hired at Illinois was in a sense
Speaker 4: of homecoming because he's from Illinois. He obviously coached for
Speaker 4: a good long time in the Big Ten, but you
Speaker 4: just never really sure what to expect when you put
Speaker 4: a guy like that in a situation like Illinois. Now
Speaker 4: Illinois Illinois, I thought was they were pesky this year. Man,
Speaker 4: they were plucky. They had their moments to beat Penn
Speaker 4: State and that weird penalty kick over like nine overtime
Speaker 4: game whatever, it was a minute beat Minnesota. Yeap beat Minnesota, right,
Speaker 4: And so it definitely felt like this this team was
Speaker 4: playing with more organization than we had seen at any
Speaker 4: point in the recent past. So I'm optimistic here that
Speaker 4: this could also be a standard issue dunk type of situation.
Speaker 4: At worst case, just a normal layup a normal lad.
Speaker 4: Maybe they're not getting up there to the rim. But
Speaker 4: Brett Bielmick. Can he run up to the backboard and
Speaker 4: do a standard issue layup maybe with both hands? Okay,
Speaker 4: you know he can do it right, he can do
Speaker 4: it lefty Right. That's what I feel like we're looking
Speaker 4: at here with Illinois. Maybe not the glitz and glamour,
Speaker 4: but they can get the ball in the hoop.
Speaker 3: So I'm with you. I am optimistic. And if you
Speaker 3: look at what Illinois was able to do in terms
Speaker 3: of improvement from twenty twenty to twenty twenty one, the
Speaker 3: offense and the results on the field in terms of
Speaker 3: scoreboard activity was largely unchanged. The defense dramatically improved, especially
Speaker 3: in stopping big plays, which I think is crazy important
Speaker 3: in taking a team to whatever that next level is.
Speaker 3: You stop big plays, then you start cut spreads and
Speaker 3: you start turning blowouts into closer losses, you start getting
Speaker 3: offenses off the field. I think that's an extremely positive
Speaker 3: step for Illinois. They ran the ball actually really well
Speaker 3: two years ago in Lovey Smith's final year when they
Speaker 3: went two and six and sort of took a step
Speaker 3: back on the ground. Last year they were a little
Speaker 3: bit more predictable without really much of an aerial attack.
Speaker 3: But I think Illinois in a pretty decent place. I
Speaker 3: think it's a good sign with how they finished this season.
Speaker 3: So they won three of five, the losses were competitive,
Speaker 3: and as we mentioned, they beat Minnesota and Penn State,
Speaker 3: which I think is just it's a good sign in
Speaker 3: terms of buy in. And they recruited what I think
Speaker 3: they were finished twelfth in the Big Ten, and they
Speaker 3: it's heavy focus on offensive line. They're trying to rebuild
Speaker 3: things up front. And there was the whole quotes about,
Speaker 3: you know, Brett bielamuck, you know, allegedly trashing what Illinois
Speaker 3: had on the rosterun along the offensive line, but then
Speaker 3: he sort of walked it back and talked about improvement.
Speaker 3: I have Bart Bilima in the open floor obviously, as
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a lot of mass and a lot
Speaker 3: of momentum, as he'd like a confidence to somebody attacking
Speaker 3: the hoop. Yeah, yeah, I think he knows his limitations
Speaker 3: in terms of what he can do soaring through the air.
Speaker 3: But I also think there is a borderline recklessness to
Speaker 3: Burt Bilama in the open floor that somebody's going to
Speaker 3: try and slide under him to take a charge. But
Speaker 3: Illinois is the kind of team that they're gonna they're
Speaker 3: gonna bank on that guy flinching or doing something that
Speaker 3: ultimately it's going to be a blocking foul and that
Speaker 3: Illinois will happily, you know, miss that open floor layup,
Speaker 3: but get to the free throwed line and wear themes down,
Speaker 3: you know, however, it whatever it takes, and so yeah,
Speaker 3: I think there's a there's going to be an efficiency
Speaker 3: to open floor Beilama in the air that he can
Speaker 3: find under his feet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am.
Speaker 4: But it's in a good spot right it. It's better
Speaker 4: than it was. And definitely there's no way that you
Speaker 4: can come out of the twenty twenty one campaign without
Speaker 4: feeling better about where the team is headed. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 4: so much about basketball, especially if you're trying to play
Speaker 4: that h dribble drive game, is making sure that you
Speaker 4: have somebody who can just get the ball in the hoop.
Speaker 4: Doesn't matter if it's a dunk or if it's a layup,
Speaker 4: but you just need somebody who's efficient at doing it,
Speaker 4: somebody who knows what they're doing, looks like they've been
Speaker 4: there before. Realma has been there before. He's gotten a
Speaker 4: great heights with all of the programs that he's coached,
Speaker 4: if only for a passing moment at Arkansas. So I
Speaker 4: feel pretty good about where it's at. Doesn't always need
Speaker 4: to be glitz and glamour, but I think he's going
Speaker 4: to know what to do with the ball in the sands.
Speaker 3: And you remember, by the way, the process by which
Speaker 3: they hired Retioloma was a lot better than what it
Speaker 3: was hiring Lovey Smith when they fired Tim Beckman late
Speaker 3: in the process after all those allegations. And so I
Speaker 3: don't know if Lovey ever just got off on the
Speaker 3: right foot and he was just sort of available and familiar,
Speaker 3: and so now Repulama available familiar. But also you know it,
Speaker 3: the momentum of his hiring and his tenure thus far
Speaker 3: has just made a lot more sense.
Speaker 4: It's made a lot more sense. I know. There are
Speaker 4: Arkansas people screaming out there. He went eight and five,
Speaker 4: you call those great heights. Okay, maybe I took a
Speaker 4: little bit of liberty there, but it's fit.
Speaker 3: It's also fit, it's also place. It's also time in
Speaker 3: one's career. Yeah, it ended up disappointing at Arkansas, but
Speaker 3: we also saw somebody at Arkansas right after him who
Speaker 3: scored on their own hoop a lat Tai Hillenbrandt and
Speaker 3: Chad Morris. So in retrospect, repulam not the absolute worst
Speaker 3: that we've seen from Arkansas.
Speaker 4: So it's fine, moving on, Let's go to South Carolina
Speaker 4: and Shane Beemer. Let's I am excited to hear what
Speaker 4: you have to.
Speaker 1: Say about Shane Biemer in South Carolina.
Speaker 4: So yeah, Shane Beemer in year one went seven to
Speaker 4: six h second order wins with six and four. So
Speaker 4: what that tells me is that this wasn't necessarily spoken
Speaker 4: mirrors a little bit of luck, but maybe not as
Speaker 4: much luck as you would expect. And I say that
Speaker 4: because I recall when we did our SEC previews, we
Speaker 4: fully expected South Carolina to be a tire fire. Sure,
Speaker 4: not only was the schedule brutal, but there was roster turnover.
Speaker 4: We didn't know who was playing quarterback, Zebadiba Daya Nolan
Speaker 4: was going to be the quarterback a Ga. We didn't
Speaker 4: find that out until like a week to three yeah,
Speaker 4: before the season started. So it was like a whole thing.
Speaker 4: They were trying to duct tape and chicken wire this
Speaker 4: thing together pretty much from the second that Shane Biemer
Speaker 4: got on campus, yep, lo and behold. I mean they
Speaker 4: end up putting together a really nice campaign, going to
Speaker 4: a bowl game, he gets the Duke's Mayo dumped on him.
Speaker 4: This is a great campaign. Now they got Spencer Rattler
Speaker 4: coming in, which by any measure, is a huge win
Speaker 4: for that program. Monel Caraf he's, you know, a quarter
Speaker 4: of what he was last season at Oklahoma. He's still
Speaker 4: better than what they had. So there's a lot of
Speaker 4: forward momentum here for Shampe Beemer. The question obviously is
Speaker 4: can he maintain it? Can he maintain it? Can he
Speaker 4: continue to build a roster? Will he stay at South
Speaker 4: Carolina if they continue on the trajectory? Look, it's got
Speaker 4: to be asked. And has been at major programs. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he was at Oklahoma, right, Georgia. Yeah, So what do
Speaker 4: you think of Beemer? Is this a temporary flash in
Speaker 4: the pan that we saw right or is this the
Speaker 4: start of something really special?
Speaker 3: Probably somewhere in between. I think the ceiling is pretty
Speaker 3: high for what South Carolina could be just geographically. I
Speaker 3: think they should be able to, especially with Shaneemer's personality
Speaker 3: and energy, be able to recruit. But well, Mushamp was
Speaker 3: able to recruit Steve Spurry was able to recruit and
Speaker 3: spray rhead South Carol that's at an all time high.
Speaker 3: But where South Carolina is right now. So their defense
Speaker 3: got dramatically better. And so we always used to talk
Speaker 3: about how well must champs South Carolina. The defense would
Speaker 3: improve and the offense would fall off a cliff. Offense
Speaker 3: would improve, defense would fall off a cliff. So South
Speaker 3: Carolina's defense got dramatically better. The offense was definitely worse,
Speaker 3: but a lot of that can be attributed to health,
Speaker 3: and you know quarterbacks coming in and out and you
Speaker 3: know uncertainty week to week. They start what a usual receiver,
Speaker 3: a high school quarterback in the bowl game, which was
Speaker 3: ended up being very successful. To carryon, Joyner, I got
Speaker 3: I remember these names. There's so many names to remember.
Speaker 3: But South Carolina was good the last they weren't great,
Speaker 3: but you know, they beat Florida, they beat Auburn. You know,
Speaker 3: these are the context of what Florida and Auburn were
Speaker 3: at the end of the year is certainly worth talking about.
Speaker 3: But they were competitive in that loss to Missouri and
Speaker 3: from where they were especially early on in the year
Speaker 3: and the lack of points scored. I think there's an energy.
Speaker 3: I think there's an excitement. I think there's a buy in,
Speaker 3: which is anything you everything you want from a guy
Speaker 3: taking over a program that was middling to not in
Speaker 3: a good place. And so Shane Beemer is the type
Speaker 3: of open floor aggressor that I think is almost a
Speaker 3: one man fast break. It's he is in such good
Speaker 3: shape and he is so excited that he's always pushing
Speaker 3: the ball, and so anytime the defense is sort of
Speaker 3: lollygagging getting back, there's Shane Beemer turning it into a
Speaker 3: fast break, right. He's pushing the tempo, he's finding every
Speaker 3: little crease and every little advantage. Even if he is
Speaker 3: not the most athletic guy. You know, maybe he's the
Speaker 3: one who's sort of crouching and ducking behind somebody on
Speaker 3: an inbounds pass after a score basket and he's just
Speaker 3: doing the quick steal and putting it up. So I
Speaker 3: don't think he's getting crazy high, but I think his
Speaker 3: effort and enthusiasm and how in shape of an open
Speaker 3: floor player gets him some easy buckets more and more
Speaker 3: year over year in the open floor, not dunking, but
Speaker 3: I think he's I think in tap backboard. You can
Speaker 3: get backboard during a layup.
Speaker 4: Sure, one of those deals where he sort of kisses
Speaker 4: up against the glass and then just for just for
Speaker 4: the hell of it, touches the backboard to prove that.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, he's tapping back Yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: maybe working in the gym to try and get rim,
Speaker 4: to try and get to the point where he can
Speaker 4: dunk a tennis ball.
Speaker 3: So you're talking he's wearing those those shoes, the special
Speaker 3: Jimmy shoes.
Speaker 4: From those work. Do they work?
Speaker 3: I never tried, but I have to assume yes, based
Speaker 3: on the back pages of Inside Sports magazine, to which
Speaker 3: I was a subscriber in nineteen ninety one. Probably, So
Speaker 3: I'm going to say yes.
Speaker 4: No again.
Speaker 3: I anticipate he finished eleventh in the SEC this last
Speaker 3: recruiting class, but that's twenty sixth nationally. They signed two
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in this class, including a pretty highly rated one
Speaker 3: in Brandon Davis from I'm in Delaware, the number one
Speaker 3: player in Delaware to be sure, and T Bailey who
Speaker 3: decommitted from Oregon and is from somewhere in the South
Speaker 3: think Alabama and ended up committing to South Carolina. So
Speaker 3: I think things are looking promising, especially with how you
Speaker 3: know they were able to hit the portal and end
Speaker 3: up with Spencer Rattler.
Speaker 4: This is a guy who at some point in his
Speaker 4: life had lowered the rim to eight feet and so
Speaker 4: he knows how to conduct himself around the rim and
Speaker 4: he's working on getting up there at the ten foot level. Yeah,
Speaker 4: wearing the shoes.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like wharing jump. There's a fearlessness to him.
Speaker 3: There is in the open floor. It doesn't always result
Speaker 3: in something extraordinary happening, but that goes a long way.
Speaker 4: Steve Sarkisian in Texas, Dan all right, Steve Sarkisian took
Speaker 4: over for Tom Herman. Tom Herman went seven and three
Speaker 4: and got fired. Yep, Steve Sarkisian takes over in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one, goes five and seven. Second order Wins say
Speaker 4: that they were bit unlucky. Second Order Wins has them
Speaker 4: at about six and a half. So there are a
Speaker 4: number of different ways that you can parse that. Texas's
Speaker 4: problems are many and nonspecific. They need better quarterback play.
Speaker 4: Presumably they will get some of that with Quinnewers, but
Speaker 4: we haven't seen much of quinnewers to actually rest on
Speaker 4: that fact, so we'll assume that he'll be good because
Speaker 4: he was the number one overall prospers. We haven't seen
Speaker 4: any of Quinn. We haven't seen anything. Yeah, we don't
Speaker 4: even really have tape. So there's that component. There is
Speaker 4: a larger issue about the Texas defense too. For a
Speaker 4: good long time now, and by good long time I
Speaker 4: mean at least three four years, tackling has been a
Speaker 4: problem mm hm. Tackling in the open field, not in
Speaker 4: the open field, just general toughness on defense has been
Speaker 4: a bit of a concern for the Longhorns. They need
Speaker 4: to get better. Talent is not an issue, but they
Speaker 4: play a bit soft on defense and they need to
Speaker 4: get better at that. That's been a concern. But that
Speaker 4: being said, there is no doubt that there is talent
Speaker 4: there as ever in the Great State of Texas. It's
Speaker 4: not just Quinn yours, Jean Robinson. We're still talking about
Speaker 4: Jon Robinson. He's coming back Jean Robinson at right. No
Speaker 4: think he has a choice. But yeah, Xavier Worthy I
Speaker 4: think was a big time bright spot out wide for
Speaker 4: that offense, emerging as a top target for Quin Yours.
Speaker 4: Now going into the twenty two campaign. So they've got guys,
Speaker 4: They've got plenty of talent there. It's just a matter
Speaker 4: of can Sark find a way to assemble the pieces
Speaker 4: and get this program feeling like it's moving to a
Speaker 4: place with serious momentum. I don't know if we saw
Speaker 4: that in twenty twenty two. I believe that Sark has
Speaker 4: the know how, the experience, everything that you need to run.
Speaker 1: A place like Texas.
Speaker 4: Like he's been at Alabama, He's been at US, He's
Speaker 4: been even at Washington. Right, He's been at places. He
Speaker 4: knows what it takes to make a big time program tick.
Speaker 4: Good players, great players, Yeah, great players help right? Yeah?
Speaker 4: The question is can he now build sustainable success in Austin.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if we have enough information at
Speaker 4: this point to really gauge whether or not it's going
Speaker 4: to work.
Speaker 3: It needs we do, because this is we have his
Speaker 3: freshman year. That's what the show is. It's based on
Speaker 3: that first year. Did you see enough did you see
Speaker 3: enough kernels to say ooh, I can see what they're
Speaker 3: going for now? Did you see enough colonels to say no?
Speaker 4: I didn't know if I say much?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well that so then say with your chest, I.
Speaker 4: Am trying to be optimistic. I'm trying to be optimistic
Speaker 4: because for as much hey as we've made on the
Speaker 4: wh Texas is back, Texas is not back. Thing right,
Speaker 4: I don't really want to dunk on Texas to keep
Speaker 4: it within the theme here. I want Texas to be back.
Speaker 4: I want Texas to be interesting. I want Texas going
Speaker 4: into the SEC to suddenly change the dynamic, to make
Speaker 4: it harder for Nick Saban, make it harder for everybody
Speaker 4: on the West Side, like I want that storyline. But
Speaker 4: five and seven, man, I don't know, Like I kind
Speaker 4: of hope that Sark would come in and you be
Speaker 4: this quarterback whisper and either Casey Thompson or Hudson Card
Speaker 4: or whoever would elevate their game and take it to
Speaker 4: a different level, and Texas would be closer to back
Speaker 4: going into year two.
Speaker 3: So I don't think Texas was necessarily unlucky. I think
Speaker 3: what those second order wins when you look at the
Speaker 3: stats and teams who put up this stat or that
Speaker 3: stat during a game, they win the game. However, many
Speaker 3: percentage of the time, I think Texas was just wildly inconsistent.
Speaker 3: I think they would put up a bomb quarter where
Speaker 3: they were incredible. Bomb could be good or bad, I suppose,
Speaker 3: but they could they put up a killer quarter and
Speaker 3: scored twenty one points in the first quarter and then
Speaker 3: just faded and just completely faded and strung together four
Speaker 3: or five drives that went three and out quickly. And
Speaker 3: so it was the inconsistency that I think so like
Speaker 3: some of the underlying stats were there at times, but
Speaker 3: the number of times at that offense went three and out,
Speaker 3: or the number of times that defense just couldn't tackle
Speaker 3: anybody or couldn't get into a passing lane. I just
Speaker 3: if I'm going to look at the twenty twenty one
Speaker 3: season as a microcosm for what Sark could be. I
Speaker 3: think he is going to string together more successful drives
Speaker 3: on offense, and there wasn't much in terms of the defense.
Speaker 3: There's talent on this defense. There will be more talent
Speaker 3: on this defense. I'm with you that I think Pete
Speaker 3: Kolkowski is a good defensive mind and coordinates a good defense.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I didn't even see like
Speaker 3: a half, right, I didn't see a half against a
Speaker 3: good team where like HM, they've got it going like
Speaker 3: that's that's the worry for me, that their offense is
Speaker 3: going to play so quickly good or bad, that it's
Speaker 3: going to put the defense in a bad spot. Look,
Speaker 3: the recruiting class was incredible, but that's never been the
Speaker 3: problem in Austin. You know, the receivers coming in, the
Speaker 3: offensive lineman coming in, certainly an improvement. Point in Quinn,
Speaker 3: yours a talent improvement. We assume, we think, we hope,
Speaker 3: but no, I think Sark when you know the offense
Speaker 3: took a step back, the defense took a noticeable step back.
Speaker 3: And the way that they finish their season, if that's
Speaker 3: what if we're looking at buying, if we're looking at inspiration.
Speaker 4: Now, these are not.
Speaker 3: Sark's guys, so whatever that means. But they lose four
Speaker 3: or five. Three of the losses were competitive, but that
Speaker 3: includes like, oh they hung with Kansas, like cool, great.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you want to take away from
Speaker 3: almost being as good as Kansas, and they were not
Speaker 3: competitive against Iowa State. That game was I think thirty
Speaker 3: to seven. So the thing I'm taking away from this
Speaker 3: Sark in the open floor is maybe dunking early or
Speaker 3: being able to dunk when he was younger, and every
Speaker 3: single time he now tries to dunk, he's pulling a
Speaker 3: hamstring or like pulling up and like passing it off
Speaker 3: to somebody else, or just settling for like I just
Speaker 3: I think he can fly high. I think there are
Speaker 3: too many things in the way for him to consistently
Speaker 3: fly high.
Speaker 2: You have no idea how high I can fly.
Speaker 3: I don't have an idea because it's not about It's
Speaker 3: not about what we think sark ceiling is in this case,
Speaker 3: because we know what the ceiling could be hypothetically. I
Speaker 3: just think too many things are going to continually get
Speaker 3: in the way at Texas that they might have a
Speaker 3: ten to two season and go to a New Year
Speaker 3: six game and follow it up with a seven and
Speaker 3: five season. So I'm saying occasional impressive dunk, but the
Speaker 3: hamstrings are always going to.
Speaker 1: Be a factor.
Speaker 4: Here, here's what concerns me.
Speaker 3: And maybe he's ham strung. There you go by those
Speaker 3: around him at Texas that seemed to ham string some.
Speaker 4: Other guys, pros pro Dan Rubinstein. Here's what concerns me.
Speaker 4: Of course, yeah, you mentioned the inconsistency. Inconsistency is fine
Speaker 4: if if we're talking about and I use this example
Speaker 4: all the time. Your Notre Dame in year one under
Speaker 4: Brian Kelly, right, And I use this example a lot
Speaker 4: because it's a great example to me of a team
Speaker 4: that was wildly inconsistent but at least felt like it
Speaker 4: was playing hard every game, at least felt like there
Speaker 4: was some sort of theme, some sort of higher organizational structure.
Speaker 4: Even if you didn't always see the results, you could
Speaker 4: at least sort of see.
Speaker 1: The finish line.
Speaker 4: You could see back then what kind of program he
Speaker 4: was trying to build, and he was pretty successful at
Speaker 4: doing it. I don't know if we have that kind
Speaker 4: of vision after year one with Steve Sarkgian. I don't
Speaker 4: know if we've gotten there. Maybe we'll get there in
Speaker 4: near two. Maybe quinn Ewers will take that offense to
Speaker 4: a different level, but certainly not on defense. Man Like,
Speaker 4: on defense it was frustrating, and on defense there were
Speaker 4: plenty of plays where it felt like guys were just
Speaker 4: not playing that hard, right, And so that's worrying to me.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if that's the kind of thing
Speaker 4: that you can just fix with a full off season
Speaker 4: with a new mantra. I don't know, but that's what
Speaker 4: concerns me. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what I
Speaker 4: worry about.
Speaker 3: What was Brian Kelly's first year was twenty ten, twenty ten? Yeah,
Speaker 3: so the twenty twenty ten Notre Dame team improved from
Speaker 3: six and six to eight and five. But defensively, which
Speaker 3: is where I think effort and caring and motivation comes from,
Speaker 3: because tackling and defense is a lot about effort. Yep,
Speaker 3: sixty fifth in twenty nine to thirteenth in twenty ten.
Speaker 4: There you go, yep, so effort?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Are they playing harder? They not playing hard? There were
Speaker 4: too many examples this past season where you just you
Speaker 4: had a wonder about Texas. Yeah, are they playing hard?
Speaker 1: Are their heads in this? What's going on?
Speaker 4: And that I'm not saying that's a harbinger of what's
Speaker 4: to come. I'm not saying and he's gonna short the
Speaker 4: dunk and he's gonna land on his face. All I'm
Speaker 4: saying is, like you said, watch out for the ham strings.
Speaker 4: Hamstrings for the hamstrings. Okay, hammies. Okay, next coach, next coach.
Speaker 4: Let's do a couple more here. Let's talk about jetfish.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I would love to talk about a guy
Speaker 3: wearing the special jumping shoes. This guy's putting in the work.
Speaker 3: He's doing squats, he's jumping onto ledges all the time.
Speaker 3: He it's it's the desire to dunk that appears to
Speaker 3: be more pronounced than perhaps some of his compatriots on
Speaker 3: this list. He is exhausting. He's five to seven. There
Speaker 3: are spudwebbean, you know, tendencies here and this is also.
Speaker 2: You have no idea how high I can fly.
Speaker 3: But the work he's doing on his calves, yeah, I
Speaker 3: think is unmatched. Continue Jetfish is doing some freestyle walking
Speaker 3: just when he's out in the park with friends, jumping
Speaker 3: up on benches, up on railings. It has proven that
Speaker 3: he can be nimble, agile if he has to. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you can see it. You can see the early trappings
Speaker 3: of that with Jedfish. He definitely kicked up some dust
Speaker 3: in year one, despite the fact that they only went
Speaker 3: one in eleven.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they only went one and eleven. Now that was
Speaker 4: an improvement from the and five campaign in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: You'll take the one, and you'll take a two point
Speaker 4: six second order wins number for whatever that's worth. You'll
Speaker 4: take it. It's better than one.
Speaker 3: I agree, I agree, take it.
Speaker 4: But it does feel like there is at least a
Speaker 4: vibe here. There's a vibe guys like him. Recruiting has
Speaker 4: been decent enough. They just picked up a four star yesterday,
Speaker 4: right forget his name.
Speaker 3: But Quarterback of the future. Yeah, I think he's from
Speaker 3: Colorado quarterback yep.
Speaker 4: So it just seems like people really like Jedfish for
Speaker 4: whatever that's worth. The results weren't there, but the momentum
Speaker 4: and the positivity is at least a change from where
Speaker 4: Arizona's been over the last I don't know, three years now.
Speaker 4: So taking that for what it is, it feels like
Speaker 4: a situation where maybe he's got the layup down with
Speaker 4: his strong side, he's working to get the layup going
Speaker 4: with his left hand.
Speaker 1: I don't know if jet Fish is ready or lefty. I'
Speaker 1: have to look that one up.
Speaker 4: But nonetheless, that's where we're at with this, just trying
Speaker 4: to be more efficient at getting to two points when
Speaker 4: it's there in front of you. Does anybody know if
Speaker 4: Jetfish is ready or lefty? How would we know any
Speaker 4: of that?
Speaker 3: Look unless we watch I know Jim Harbaugh is righty
Speaker 3: because I've seen him throw football as an NFL quarterback
Speaker 3: and you know, warming up for games inexplicably. But as
Speaker 3: a coach, I have no idea. I Jetfish is ready
Speaker 3: or lefty, but I think what you bring up is
Speaker 3: something interesting. I think he's gonna be able to jump.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonna be dunking, but I think
Speaker 3: he's gonna have variety in his finishes, reverses, right hand,
Speaker 3: left hand, hesitations, floaters like. I think he's giving himself variety,
Speaker 3: especially because of what UCLA and Arizona State currently look
Speaker 3: like on the recruiting trail in southern California, Arizona on
Speaker 3: the West coast whatever I think, Arizona. And so they
Speaker 3: pick up the best receiver on the West coast in
Speaker 3: this past class in I mean Tayo Torah McMillan. I
Speaker 3: don't know how to pronounce his name yet, but he
Speaker 3: was the jewel of Oregon's receiving core class. And so
Speaker 3: when Mario Cristobal leaves, he ends up going to Arizona.
Speaker 3: They hit the portal hard. I just you know, hiring
Speaker 3: Don Brown. I think in year one now, of course
Speaker 3: he leaves for the UMAs job, but I think what
Speaker 3: he should be able to do on the trail and
Speaker 3: in hiring assistants will continue to be impressive. And I
Speaker 3: think that the height of what Arizona can be is
Speaker 3: probably winning the South if things go terribly wrong for
Speaker 3: places like Utah and USC and they can things can
Speaker 3: go terribly wrong for basically everybody, So I think he
Speaker 3: can put them in a position to do that. But
Speaker 3: also dunking is probably Look, Arizona has won the South,
Speaker 3: they flavor for Packed twelve titles once or twice, so
Speaker 3: I am I'm optimistic. They got better on offense slightly.
Speaker 3: They got better on defense with a very specific vision
Speaker 3: of I don't know, just blitz every down. I don't know,
Speaker 3: just send people, Just send people.
Speaker 4: It can't be.
Speaker 3: Worse than what we were doing in twenty twenty. So
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, and I'm encouraged that Arizona will be
Speaker 3: a Bowl team, a fun bowl team, which tells me
Speaker 3: that Jedfish would be skilled in the air finishing in
Speaker 3: a variety of ways.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you, Dan. By the way, I'm currently
Speaker 4: watching a YouTube video here from the PAC twelve networks
Speaker 4: trying to discern whether or not he writes with his
Speaker 4: right hand, whether he's holding anything in his left hand,
Speaker 4: how this is working. So we're gonna need to figure
Speaker 4: this out. This is now going to be my off
Speaker 4: season project. But regardless, I think I'm with you on
Speaker 4: Jedfish right. I think I'm with you and good despite
Speaker 4: the fact that that felt like a weird hire in
Speaker 4: the very beginning, because wasn't that a situation where like
Speaker 4: the president or somebody within that organization and that program
Speaker 4: liked him more than the others, And it didn't feel Yeah,
Speaker 4: didn't feel like it was a great fit at least
Speaker 4: on the surface, but the results, at least under the surface,
Speaker 4: appeared to be even though the wins aren't there yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were competitive against Oregon until relatively close to
Speaker 3: the end of that game. They gave some teams fits
Speaker 3: and better than their record indicates. And I also think
Speaker 3: he would be very smart to go after kids transfer
Speaker 3: from the Midwest and saying, hey, Arizona, it's warm all
Speaker 3: the time. We've got a bunch of attractive humans here
Speaker 3: from southern California attending come on, come on down, come
Speaker 3: on over, and so you can dip into Texas. It's
Speaker 3: also like an underrated home field advantage if people show
Speaker 3: up in that it's far away. Tucson's not the easiest
Speaker 3: place to get to for all of these schools, like
Speaker 3: a weird night games in the desert. I think it
Speaker 3: can get like low key hostel in Tucson. In the
Speaker 3: right circumstance, they'll rush the field before they lose, like
Speaker 3: all sorts of things happen with Arizona games. So I
Speaker 3: think there's like a secret home field advantage there in
Speaker 3: the right circumstance.
Speaker 4: Lance lpol at Kansas, Yeah, went two to ten. That
Speaker 4: is an improvement by two games over the h to
Speaker 4: nine campaign in twenty twenty. I love Lance Lipold. Uh Oh,
Speaker 4: I am not able to be objective when it comes
Speaker 4: to Lance Lightpold.
Speaker 2: Hm.
Speaker 4: I love the higher, I love the higher. This is
Speaker 4: a serious football coach, a serious It's not a pr
Speaker 4: stunt like when they hired Charlie Weiss or less Miles.
Speaker 3: Right and David Beaty was inexperience and they took a chance.
Speaker 3: But like Lance Leipold has won as a head coach. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is a serious guy.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: This is a serious guy who knows how to run
Speaker 4: a football program. Now, Kansas is not without obvious to
Speaker 4: dis advantages. It's still pretty much a basketball school, but
Speaker 4: there's at least a glimmer of success back in the
Speaker 4: man Gino era when Kansas proved that as a football program, Yeah.
Speaker 1: They can go to an Orange Bowl right.
Speaker 4: Like there, it's doable and perhaps even more doable looking
Speaker 4: out ahead as Texas and Oklahoma are going to be
Speaker 4: exiting stage right going over to the SEC. So it's
Speaker 4: you know, there's an opportunity I think for Kansas to
Speaker 4: try and just build something on the ground floor and
Speaker 4: try to get respectable, try to get to the stage
Speaker 4: where maybe they can get to a bowl game again.
Speaker 1: I think it's there. I think it's doable.
Speaker 4: It's really a talent issue at Kansas. They need talent.
Speaker 4: They need to work on roster construction.
Speaker 3: Yes, of course, roster wrinkles. Roster wrinkles. Kansas dramatically improved
Speaker 3: on offense behind that young backfield at quarterback and running back,
Speaker 3: you know, scoring all the points that they did, especially
Speaker 3: later on in the season.
Speaker 4: The Texas win.
Speaker 3: Dramatically improve on offense, got worse on defense for sure,
Speaker 3: which was kind of tricky based on where they were.
Speaker 3: Defense is going to take a minute, but they were
Speaker 3: competitive in those you know, they win what was it,
Speaker 3: one of their last five games? I believe right, they
Speaker 3: win one of their last five, But those last two
Speaker 3: losses were competitive against TCU an incredibly down TCU, and
Speaker 3: I would argue a pretty disappointing West Virginia back half
Speaker 3: of the season, but still be in a place to
Speaker 3: be competitive, have your team up for games to potentially
Speaker 3: beat teams that are in what we believe to be
Speaker 3: better spots as a program. So I'm I'm encouraged. I
Speaker 3: don't know the heights that what I see as Lance
Speaker 3: Lipold in the open floor is just going for it,
Speaker 3: getting swatted, going for it, getting stripped, going for it,
Speaker 3: getting blocked hard, but still attacking, still knowing that, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe there is going to be pity, applause and pity
Speaker 3: cheers when he finally does make a layup when they're
Speaker 3: down thirty eight at the end of a game. But
Speaker 3: he made the layup, and then maybe next game he's
Speaker 3: making a couple of those layups, and maybe the next
Speaker 3: game he's pump faking one of those guys who's swatting him.
Speaker 3: So progress, fearlessness, experience, and resilience is what I'm seeing
Speaker 3: Lance Leipold in the open floor. He's not Duncan. He's
Speaker 3: probably not. He doesn't have a finger roll. But I
Speaker 3: think there can be an efficiency and a resilience to
Speaker 3: his attitude towards finishing at the hoop.
Speaker 4: I agree with you. I also think that there is
Speaker 4: reason for optimism because of Jalen Daniels. Sure their quarterback
Speaker 4: m Is he related to.
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels, I don't believe.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 4: Both are from southern California, but pretty common last name. Yeah,
Speaker 4: not to be confused with Jaden Daniels, who is transferring,
Speaker 4: presumably not to Kansas. But Jalen Daniels is a guy
Speaker 4: who I think folks are excited about. You know, saw
Speaker 4: limited action, but in that limited action, it's pretty good. Yep.
Speaker 1: So it just seems to me.
Speaker 4: The fact that this is a guy who has been
Speaker 4: there before, he knows the fundamentals. This is not a
Speaker 4: Tomahawk jam situation. This is not a three sixty Ali
Speaker 4: Oop situation. This is it?
Speaker 3: Is it always Ali you? This is a I grew
Speaker 3: up on the West coast, u East coast? Is it
Speaker 3: ali Oop on the on the East coast?
Speaker 4: Because I always heard Alley oop oh, I've done alley
Speaker 4: oop oh. Okay, I didn't know it could be a
Speaker 4: regional difference. He's not doing any of those frills. Lance
Speaker 4: lpol just knows that you need five guys on.
Speaker 1: The court at the same time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, let's start at square one. These are
Speaker 4: the rules. A bucket is worth two points unless it's
Speaker 4: worth three, unless it's worth one. Right, Like, he knows
Speaker 4: the rules, and he knows all the things that you
Speaker 4: need to in order to start building a basketball team.
Speaker 4: It's not even about the dunk for Lance Lpole. This
Speaker 4: is what Kansas needs. This is the kind of guy
Speaker 4: that Kansas needs. They don't need the pr stunt. They
Speaker 4: needs somebody who knows the freakin' rules. So I'm not
Speaker 4: even gonna play the game with Lance Lightpold. I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna worry about is he dunk and is he laying
Speaker 4: it up? He just knows how many guys need to
Speaker 4: be out there, and I think that's a great starting
Speaker 4: point for Kansas. So I remained very optimistic about the program.
Speaker 4: I think he will build this thing at least make
Speaker 4: it look like it is somewhat organized. That will be
Speaker 4: a huge market improvement from where it's been at I
Speaker 4: think Lance Leipold at Kansas trying to hurl this Kansas
Speaker 4: body towards the hoop.
Speaker 3: He's torn in achilles, he's been poked in the eye,
Speaker 3: and he's you know, ruptured a disc he's had. He's
Speaker 3: definitely had plant or fasciitis issues. So he's he's hurling,
Speaker 3: he's you know, rolling down the court with knee braces,
Speaker 3: with ankle braces, with rexpecs. But he's out there, nothing's
Speaker 3: keeping him down.
Speaker 4: Is he the kind of guy in the pickup game
Speaker 4: who is calling Fels hmmm?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I think he is the one who is barreling over
Speaker 3: people doing anything it takes to get to the hoop,
Speaker 3: and is playing a little.
Speaker 4: Bit too rough. Not Colin Fels, Okay, not Colline.
Speaker 3: Interesting, he's the one saying I thought we were men
Speaker 3: here as a men's game, the boys game.
Speaker 4: Okay. Any other coaches you want to hit very quickly
Speaker 4: Gus Melson yep. Malson went nine and four mm hmm
Speaker 4: in year one at UCF. I think it was even
Speaker 4: more impressive because he lost his quarterback, yeah, and was
Speaker 4: sort of doing things on the fly. I'm more optimistic
Speaker 4: about that than I was initially.
Speaker 3: I think he can dunk. Yeah, I think Gus Malson's
Speaker 3: dunking in Orlando. There's a lightness to Gus Melson, the
Speaker 3: connections to high schools across the South, the local connections
Speaker 3: to high schools in Florida and Central Florida, and has
Speaker 3: that reputation of developing interesting offenses. I don't know, the
Speaker 3: quarterback reputation probably isn't there. But I think it's going
Speaker 3: to be a talented team. And you look at the
Speaker 3: American songs, Sunny Dikes, Sons Songs, Sands Hall, I think
Speaker 3: it's songs songs, Sonny Dikes, like I look, Luke Fickle's
Speaker 3: gonna be around for at least a little bit. I
Speaker 3: just the competition and the American To me, it's set
Speaker 3: up pretty nicely.
Speaker 4: Like Navy.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're ever getting back to an
Speaker 3: interesting place to where they were. I'm kind of optimistic
Speaker 3: that UCF can really solidify itself now. Houston is I
Speaker 3: think certainly going to be in that conversation moving forward,
Speaker 3: But I don't know. In like ECUs fine, Tulsa can
Speaker 3: be fine. Like I don't know how much I'm threatened
Speaker 3: by the totality of the American right now, and I
Speaker 3: think UCF can challenge for it.
Speaker 4: I think out. I think this is a dunk sort
Speaker 4: of like we would see in the actual NBA Allso
Speaker 4: Our Game, where yeah, guys are just running around duncan
Speaker 4: guys are running around taking five steps without dribbling. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and nobody's playing any defense.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Ah, that's not fair. That's not fully in the NBA
Speaker 3: All Star Game. No, I know, I'm saying to compare
Speaker 3: to UCF where it's just wide open show body type dunks.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm that far with gusmels On.
Speaker 3: I more look at Gus Melson as like he went
Speaker 3: keto and lost forty five pounds and his vertical increased
Speaker 3: by four inches. And in this case, I suppose the
Speaker 3: bad fats and belly fats and subcutaneous fats are all
Speaker 3: Auburn related. I don't know that's the weight he lost.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh man, my vertical increased by four inches
Speaker 3: since I left Auburn. That there is just a likeness
Speaker 3: to Gus Melson.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: They still won games this year after losing Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 3: It wasn't always pretty. It was absolutely not always freety,
Speaker 3: but what you see af the the offense was notice
Speaker 3: worse from where it was when Dylan Gabriel and Josh
Speaker 3: Hipel joined forces in twenty twenty. The defense was noticeably better.
Speaker 3: They finished the year out winning four or five. They
Speaker 3: were not competitive against SMU, but I mean, and those
Speaker 3: four of the four wins were against bad teams. But
Speaker 3: that's what you should do. You should beat bad teams,
Speaker 3: even when you're beat up. So I'm high on UCF
Speaker 3: and the gus bus to.
Speaker 4: Get what he got out of Mikey Keene at a
Speaker 4: moment's notice. Yeah, after Dylan Gabriel went down, I thought
Speaker 4: it was actually quite impressive. Maybe the reputation isn't too
Speaker 4: maybe the reputation is not there a quarterback. I agree, right,
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying Mikey Keen is like a Heisman
Speaker 4: front runner. I'm not. No, that's okay. They did a
Speaker 4: good job with him, They did a good job maximizing
Speaker 4: what they could get out of them. I'm high.
Speaker 3: Yeah, take that out of contest context.
Speaker 4: Final one here, Final one Vandy and clerk Lee, Okay,
Speaker 4: where are you at with Vanny and Clarkly? You were
Speaker 4: very high in Clarkly. I was not Higan Clarkly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. Vandy's offense was decently better,
Speaker 3: the defense was decently better. They lose their final five.
Speaker 3: They gave a decent fight to Miszoo in a losing
Speaker 3: effort in those last five games. I think it's just
Speaker 3: it's going to take a while. It's I think he
Speaker 3: is not dunking, but I think he can get to
Speaker 3: a place where he is. He is a contributing member
Speaker 3: of a fast break. He's not necessarily finishing strong, but
Speaker 3: he's getting hockey assists. He's getting the ball to the
Speaker 3: guy getting it to the ball who's dunking it. He
Speaker 3: is a true glue guy, and so I think he
Speaker 3: can turn Vandy into a decent contributing member of the SEC.
Speaker 3: That might mean winning four games a year, it might
Speaker 3: mean winning five to six and a half games a
Speaker 3: year or something.
Speaker 4: But I think he.
Speaker 3: Can get this program because I think there is an
Speaker 3: unusual amount of buy in in that there are not
Speaker 3: that many Vandy guys who had the profile that clark
Speaker 3: Lee had when he was at Notre Dame. That he
Speaker 3: is not somebody who is looking to get the most
Speaker 3: out of Andy and quickly flip it into another job.
Speaker 3: He wants to build sustained success. And I think that's
Speaker 3: a different approach than a lot of guys would have
Speaker 3: at a place like Vandy. And so yeah, I think
Speaker 3: he can turn he himself in the open floor. Is
Speaker 3: not necessarily finishing strong, but is that is a glue
Speaker 3: member of a fast break.
Speaker 4: He's almost playing by different rules at Randy instead of
Speaker 4: this being a game where he's trying to dunk. Maybe
Speaker 4: he's just getting really good at playing horse. Maybe he's
Speaker 4: got a specific shot that he knows is difficult, right,
Speaker 4: and he can put an an O or an S
Speaker 4: on the board to make things interesting along the way.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's you knoww he throws it down, bounces it
Speaker 4: up for a basketball. Maybe he's got some sort of
Speaker 4: weird angle. Maybe he's shooting back over the backboard. Have
Speaker 4: you done that? You've done that right kind of of course,
Speaker 4: So you're shooting back over it's a hard shot to make.
Speaker 4: Maybe Clark Lee is trying to get really good at one.
Speaker 1: Of those gimmick type things.
Speaker 3: He's running a full court press system. It's just where
Speaker 3: lot yeah, a little bit different. He's playing by different
Speaker 3: rules marching to his own drummer. He's at a place
Speaker 3: like Vandy, which it's tough to win at Vandy. Yep,
Speaker 3: it is tough to win. And I think to your point,
Speaker 3: Vandy people are okay with that.
Speaker 4: They're okay with that.
Speaker 3: To a baseball school, they're okay with that.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. It's just gonna be a little different. Maybe
Speaker 4: we don't grade this on the same skill. So I'm
Speaker 4: not even thinking in terms of dunkstand. I'm thinking in
Speaker 4: terms of is this a guy who can challenge when
Speaker 4: we're horse and I think if you give him a
Speaker 4: few years, which they have to do, he's a Vandy
Speaker 4: gutta have to. I think that, yeah, I think that
Speaker 4: he can get them playing better. We did see improvement
Speaker 4: near one, he saw improvement. If we continue to see improvement,
Speaker 4: then yeah, maybe we get to the point where we're
Speaker 4: talking about, all right, maybe maybe we can dunk on
Speaker 4: an eight foot rim. But for now, just getting the
Speaker 4: ball in the hoop, making it look interesting, giving people
Speaker 4: a reason to feel good about things.
Speaker 1: I think that's where we're at.
Speaker 3: Quickly, Boise State, Utah State will hit Mountain West quickly.
Speaker 3: I think Blake Anderson's dunking. I just think he's going
Speaker 3: to have Utah State in a good place. We saw
Speaker 3: how often he won at Arkansas State. We see the
Speaker 3: not the issues, but the up and down nature of
Speaker 3: the Mountain West, with you know, Kaylin Debora leaving in
Speaker 3: San Diego State still not being able to field an
Speaker 3: offense no matter who their coach is, and San Jose
Speaker 3: State going downhill, Hawaii going downhill. Like, there's just a
Speaker 3: number of factors here that I think there's a vacuum
Speaker 3: and Utah State, yes, there was. It was such an
Speaker 3: incredible low with Gary Anderson being brought back in and
Speaker 3: then leaving the way that he did. I think there's stability.
Speaker 3: I think there's excitement. I think they'll hit the they'll
Speaker 3: continue to hit the portal hard. I have Blake Anderson
Speaker 3: as an unsplashy, successful dunker in that specific gym.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how about.
Speaker 3: That Boise a little bit less so, But I think
Speaker 3: there's a creativity to Boise and Andy avlos So. Boise's offense, Uh,
Speaker 3: it regressed a bit, but the defense improved decently. They
Speaker 3: won four of their last five to finish. I know
Speaker 3: there's the roster is not I don't believe in an
Speaker 3: amazing place. But I think Andy Avlos will utilize speed
Speaker 3: and creativity to get to the hoop more often than
Speaker 3: not and be an asset to a team that likes
Speaker 3: to run.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's interesting to me is we don't have any
Speaker 4: Tomahawk jams here.
Speaker 1: We don't have any. We don't don't have any.
Speaker 4: Star studded dunkers in this I.
Speaker 3: Think I think we could get an occasional flashy dunk
Speaker 3: from Tennessee. I think we can get an occasional flashy
Speaker 3: dunk from Texas. I think Tennessee will we'll be playing
Speaker 3: above the rim more often than Texas.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but.
Speaker 3: I yeah, I don't have a surefire. I mean, I
Speaker 3: have UCF and Utah State as dunkers. But no, it's
Speaker 3: it's there. There is a big man in both of
Speaker 3: their ways. None of these guys are getting in the
Speaker 3: dunk contest, at least not at this juncture. They could
Speaker 3: get there, sure if Jed Fish keeps wearing the shoes,
Speaker 3: who knows. But yeah, we're not there yet.
Speaker 4: No, we're not. Can I say what you normally say?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 4: Fun show? Yeah, that's my line. I know it was
Speaker 4: a good show. It was a good show I had
Speaker 4: for five minutes. Notice this is a pretty good Yeah.
Speaker 3: I uh, I missed basketball camp. I was a good
Speaker 3: little player, tie I was. Basketball is an incredibly fun
Speaker 3: sport to be and I peaked when I was nine
Speaker 3: or ten years old, to be clear. But it was
Speaker 3: an incredibly fun sport to be way better than my
Speaker 3: friends at that's bad English. I like I could cross
Speaker 3: up my friends when I was in elementary school and
Speaker 3: I could toy with them, And it's a really fun sport.
Speaker 3: Like Baseball's pretty fun, but you need a lot of people.
Speaker 3: Baseball's fun. Football's fund. You need a lot of people,
Speaker 3: but you can torch people, you know, receiver or whatever.
Speaker 3: Basketball is that one on one mentality where you could
Speaker 3: really goof on your friends and toy with them.
Speaker 4: And that was that was me. When I was nine
Speaker 4: or ten, I had a basketball hoop out back. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that we're pretty certain was actually at eleven feet. Well
Speaker 4: you're also a shorter guy. No no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: no no, no, nothing to do with it. Okay, I
Speaker 4: had friends who were very good at basketball. Oh okay,
Speaker 4: we were all certain that the hoop was too high.
Speaker 4: It could have been because the driveway was on a
Speaker 4: little bit of an angle. That'll contribute, but it may
Speaker 4: have been over ten feet. It was always tougher to
Speaker 4: come to the tie home and play backyard basketball.
Speaker 3: The thing you missed out on, well, that is a
Speaker 3: nice home court advantage.
Speaker 4: The eleven foot hoop.
Speaker 1: It was huge. It was huge.
Speaker 4: You can talk to mom h about. There was also
Speaker 4: a power line that was in the way if you
Speaker 4: shot from the left corner. Yeah, there was a power
Speaker 4: line that got in the way, and so you had
Speaker 4: a sort of like you had to rifle it to
Speaker 4: get under the wire. You had to go like a
Speaker 4: punch shot and go off, or you had a really
Speaker 4: rainbow it, which was tough because you were playing uphill
Speaker 4: to avoid the power lines.
Speaker 3: The thing you missed out on by not concentrating on
Speaker 3: basketball maybe I don't know, if you went to baseball camp,
Speaker 3: I don't know what if you'd had any sports camp experience, sure,
Speaker 3: but the cornerstone part for me of going to basketball
Speaker 3: camp and you would have somebody host the camp, right
Speaker 3: it would be the coach of a local team or
Speaker 3: a player that's from the area or something like that.
Speaker 3: It was an easy way to make a buck. I
Speaker 3: assume is the visiting speakers. So I went to Jack Haley,
Speaker 3: who was like the thirteenth man on the Bulls, and
Speaker 3: I went to his camp at a couple different local
Speaker 3: schools and he would bring in the basketball players he knew,
Speaker 3: but they wouldn't be and he did. Okay, he brought
Speaker 3: in Dennis Rodman and that was rad. But other than
Speaker 3: Dennis Rodman, it would be like Don McClain who was
Speaker 3: like a very solid jumpshooter for UCLA and had a
Speaker 3: solid NBA career, but like, there was nothing about Don
Speaker 3: McClain's game that would really translate to like a nine
Speaker 3: year old. There was nothing flashy or impressive about getting
Speaker 3: a Don McClain signe basketball. But you'd get all these
Speaker 3: guys speaking and maybe they're being paid whatever they were,
Speaker 3: you know, they was doing favors for their friends that
Speaker 3: like you could have gone to like a laugh like
Speaker 3: a Frano and Lynn Lafayette basketball camp, and you just
Speaker 3: missed the lessons of like a random Patriot League shooting
Speaker 3: guard or like calling in a favor and getting like
Speaker 3: Dana Barrows to come speak out like your Lehigh basketball camp,
Speaker 3: and like any of these guys. When you are that age, like,
Speaker 3: oh man, this guy is the ten. The average is
Speaker 3: four point eight points for the Philadelphia seventy six ers.
Speaker 3: And they would come and they would like sometimes play
Speaker 3: against other kids, and so then all the other campers
Speaker 3: would watch, like oh when a kid would score a
Speaker 3: basket over an NBA player, And there were I mean,
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan has a camp and they're like those famous
Speaker 3: videos of that too. But of going to like these
Speaker 3: very regional camps, and like I went to a Lorenzo Romar,
Speaker 3: you know, Pepperdine UCLA.
Speaker 4: Like he went.
Speaker 3: He would like bring kids up and he's the coach
Speaker 3: of Pepperdine and they would kill time where he would
Speaker 3: just juke eleven year olds like fifty on your old
Speaker 3: Lorenzo Romar, and everybody would have a blast watching these
Speaker 3: kids trip all over the place. That was the formative
Speaker 3: experience that you missed out on not going to basketball camp.
Speaker 4: Yeah, any NBA player, even the guy who scores like
Speaker 4: two points, oh man on the open floor with oh yeah,
Speaker 4: nobody can testing a shot well.
Speaker 3: Like also, these NBA players are not used to being
Speaker 3: celebrated because they're the guys at some of these camps.
Speaker 3: Right the seventh man, the ninth man or something like that,
Speaker 3: and then they would have like a counselor rebound for
Speaker 3: them as they would put up seventeen footers and make
Speaker 3: all of them. Because they were NBA players shooting uncontested
Speaker 3: seventeen footers and you're watching them, they're like, this guy
Speaker 3: should be way more famous. He's hitting every seventeen footer
Speaker 3: without anybody guarding him. Yeah, meanwhile, he's shooting a thousand
Speaker 3: of them a day. So it was just it was
Speaker 3: an incredible experience as.
Speaker 4: A little one.
Speaker 3: That's all send your kids to basketball.
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Speaker 4: draw that winner at some point early next month.
Speaker 3: I'm learning about fran o'hanlin as we speak. He's been
Speaker 3: the Lafayette coach since nineteen ninety five. Yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he was the Venezuelan League champion as
Speaker 3: a coach in nineteen eighty three. He runs Venezuela shout
Speaker 3: out Caracas. Oh my god, Odd, what a resume she's
Speaker 3: gonna bring.
Speaker 4: We should do as an off topic show, like an
Speaker 4: old school sports episode, where either we bring on somebody
Speaker 4: who runs just shout names at each other. Well, yeah,
Speaker 4: somebody who runs a podcast on either the basketball, football
Speaker 4: or soccer soccer baseball side and just talk talk it
Speaker 4: out like in the early nineties.
Speaker 3: We can just select a year. Yeah, we can just
Speaker 3: select nineteen ninety four, nineteen ninety two and just discuss
Speaker 3: the year in sports. Yeah, and every single story. Ninety
Speaker 3: two would be nice because he got the Olympics.
Speaker 1: Olympics. Ye, dream team stream team right, that was dream team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Fran Ohnlin is or we have on Frano Handlin.
Speaker 3: So he has been the coach for if my math
Speaker 3: serves about twenty seven years. Yeah, Fran Ohnlin's tenure at
Speaker 3: Lafayette is old enough to rent a car.
Speaker 4: That's good for Fran. For that guy over there, my
Speaker 4: good friend Dan Rubinstein. From myself, Tie hilden Brand, thanks
Speaker 4: so much for downloading, listening, playing along with our madness
Speaker 4: at home. Yes, we will be back at least on
Speaker 4: the public feed. Hmmm next Tuesday. Have yourself a good weekend.
Speaker 4: As always, stay solid, peace,