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Speaker 3: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the salid Verbo boys and girls. My

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Speaker 4: always back in his humble abode in the heart of

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Speaker 4: the Midwest, Chicago, Illinois. Dan Rubert Steed, Sir, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I just took a shower, as did you, And I

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Speaker 3: I'm not happy to record in California. It's a mess

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Speaker 3: But in this specific room, with this specific equipment, with

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Speaker 3: If it's not a good show, it's purely intellectual because

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Speaker 4: Well, look, you told me what the concept for this

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Speaker 4: We've done this pretty much throughout the entire run here

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Speaker 4: things on the fly. Yeah, this was your creation. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we're talking about dunks today. We are, which is a

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Speaker 4: great word. It's a great word to say, yunk. It

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Speaker 4: Obviously the basketball dunking, the dunk tank. You can dunk

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Speaker 4: somebody in a pool like manually, you can dunk food

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Speaker 4: and dunk. Right, that's a strategy that you could employ.

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Speaker 4: But this sort of the timing of the show coincides

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Speaker 4: with the NBA Dunk Contest, which I watched zero seconds

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Speaker 4: I think that idea is kind of pass and stupid.

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Speaker 4: co Your Shane Bemers, your Andy Avili your is that

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Speaker 3: What they would do in the open court with the ball,

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Speaker 3: No, The reason I asked about basketball camp is I'm

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Speaker 3: I just remember in basketball camp, we would watch videos

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Speaker 4: So like the das, were they trying to show you

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Speaker 3: the absolute apex is the Berlin take my breath Away,

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Speaker 3: So we're taking you have a list of first year coaches.

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Speaker 3: I looked into the analytics of where these teams improved

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Speaker 4: So once again we are looking at I guess freshman coaches, right,

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Speaker 3: Compromise, Sorry, that's my that's my singing.

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Speaker 3: So so there isn't a standard rubric ahead of where

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Speaker 3: doing in the open floor, attempting to dunk or finish emphatically.

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Speaker 3: But you have a list, We can have whatever you want.

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Speaker 4: I have a list.

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Speaker 3: This is my disclaimer. It's an especially or was an

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Speaker 3: moments of fundamentally sound play, but ultimately the highs that

438
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 3: Brian Harson is realistically trying to get to are not

439
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 3: all that impressive.

440
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 4: I love the thought of running down open floor, pump

441
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 4: fake guy flies by, and it's really just a small

442
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 4: bank shot.

443
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 3: Just a little, little set shot, little bank shot.

444
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 4: Used to practice those back in the day. Dan of

445
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 4: anaa in house basketball. When I played on the Black

446
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 4: team and the Tan team, I was never particularly good

447
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 4: at any of them. You didn't even have team names.

448
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 3: He were just like, that's Tie, he's on the Tan team.

449
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 4: That's exactly what it was. I was on the Tan

450
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 4: team and I was on the Black team.

451
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you need to come out West. We had leagues

452
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 3: that licensed bulls and hornets and all that stuff. Okay,

453
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 3: where are we going next?

454
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 4: I'm in agreement with you. By the way, I kind

455
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 4: of feel the same. I don't know what to make

456
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 4: a Harrison. I could go a thousand different ways. Let's

457
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 4: go to Illinois and Brett Beilamo. Okay, all right. They

458
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 4: went five and seven this past season with a four

459
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 4: point seven second order wins tally from Bill c Okay,

460
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 4: this is a little luck, a little bit of luck.

461
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 4: There was a two wins sixth season that got Lovey

462
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 4: Smith fired.

463
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 3: Excuse you, Houston, Texan NFL head coach Lovey Smith somehow

464
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 3: continue he.

465
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 4: Used Illinois's springboard. Of course, Yes, the Bilma hire was

466
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 4: always interesting. You know, he's a big personality. Folks are

467
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 4: familiar with Brett Bilma from his time at Wisconsin and Arkansas.

468
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 4: He's been around sport for a good long time, and

469
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 4: so him getting hired at Illinois was in a sense

470
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 4: of homecoming because he's from Illinois. He obviously coached for

471
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 4: a good long time in the Big Ten, but you

472
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 4: just never really sure what to expect when you put

473
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 4: a guy like that in a situation like Illinois. Now

474
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 4: Illinois Illinois, I thought was they were pesky this year. Man,

475
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 4: they were plucky. They had their moments to beat Penn

476
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 4: State and that weird penalty kick over like nine overtime

477
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 4: game whatever, it was a minute beat Minnesota. Yeap beat Minnesota, right,

478
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 4: And so it definitely felt like this this team was

479
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 4: playing with more organization than we had seen at any

480
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 4: point in the recent past. So I'm optimistic here that

481
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 4: this could also be a standard issue dunk type of situation.

482
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 4: At worst case, just a normal layup a normal lad.

483
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 4: Maybe they're not getting up there to the rim. But

484
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 4: Brett Bielmick. Can he run up to the backboard and

485
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 4: do a standard issue layup maybe with both hands? Okay,

486
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 4: you know he can do it right, he can do

487
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 4: it lefty Right. That's what I feel like we're looking

488
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 4: at here with Illinois. Maybe not the glitz and glamour,

489
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 4: but they can get the ball in the hoop.

490
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 3: So I'm with you. I am optimistic. And if you

491
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 3: look at what Illinois was able to do in terms

492
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 3: of improvement from twenty twenty to twenty twenty one, the

493
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 3: offense and the results on the field in terms of

494
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 3: scoreboard activity was largely unchanged. The defense dramatically improved, especially

495
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 3: in stopping big plays, which I think is crazy important

496
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 3: in taking a team to whatever that next level is.

497
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 3: You stop big plays, then you start cut spreads and

498
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 3: you start turning blowouts into closer losses, you start getting

499
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: offenses off the field. I think that's an extremely positive

500
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 3: step for Illinois. They ran the ball actually really well

501
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 3: two years ago in Lovey Smith's final year when they

502
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 3: went two and six and sort of took a step

503
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: back on the ground. Last year they were a little

504
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: bit more predictable without really much of an aerial attack.

505
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 3: But I think Illinois in a pretty decent place. I

506
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: think it's a good sign with how they finished this season.

507
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 3: So they won three of five, the losses were competitive,

508
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: and as we mentioned, they beat Minnesota and Penn State,

509
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 3: which I think is just it's a good sign in

510
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,719
Speaker 3: terms of buy in. And they recruited what I think

511
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 3: they were finished twelfth in the Big Ten, and they

512
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 3: it's heavy focus on offensive line. They're trying to rebuild

513
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 3: things up front. And there was the whole quotes about,

514
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 3: you know, Brett bielamuck, you know, allegedly trashing what Illinois

515
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 3: had on the rosterun along the offensive line, but then

516
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 3: he sort of walked it back and talked about improvement.

517
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 3: I have Bart Bilima in the open floor obviously, as

518
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a lot of mass and a lot

519
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: of momentum, as he'd like a confidence to somebody attacking

520
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 3: the hoop. Yeah, yeah, I think he knows his limitations

521
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: in terms of what he can do soaring through the air.

522
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 3: But I also think there is a borderline recklessness to

523
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 3: Burt Bilama in the open floor that somebody's going to

524
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 3: try and slide under him to take a charge. But

525
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 3: Illinois is the kind of team that they're gonna they're

526
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 3: gonna bank on that guy flinching or doing something that

527
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: ultimately it's going to be a blocking foul and that

528
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: Illinois will happily, you know, miss that open floor layup,

529
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: but get to the free throwed line and wear themes down,

530
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 3: you know, however, it whatever it takes, and so yeah,

531
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 3: I think there's a there's going to be an efficiency

532
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: to open floor Beilama in the air that he can

533
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 3: find under his feet.

534
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am.

535
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 4: But it's in a good spot right it. It's better

536
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 4: than it was. And definitely there's no way that you

537
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 4: can come out of the twenty twenty one campaign without

538
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 4: feeling better about where the team is headed. Yeah, Like,

539
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 4: so much about basketball, especially if you're trying to play

540
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 4: that h dribble drive game, is making sure that you

541
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 4: have somebody who can just get the ball in the hoop.

542
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 4: Doesn't matter if it's a dunk or if it's a layup,

543
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 4: but you just need somebody who's efficient at doing it,

544
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 4: somebody who knows what they're doing, looks like they've been

545
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 4: there before. Realma has been there before. He's gotten a

546
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 4: great heights with all of the programs that he's coached,

547
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 4: if only for a passing moment at Arkansas. So I

548
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,239
Speaker 4: feel pretty good about where it's at. Doesn't always need

549
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 4: to be glitz and glamour, but I think he's going

550
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 4: to know what to do with the ball in the sands.

551
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: And you remember, by the way, the process by which

552
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: they hired Retioloma was a lot better than what it

553
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: was hiring Lovey Smith when they fired Tim Beckman late

554
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: in the process after all those allegations. And so I

555
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 3: don't know if Lovey ever just got off on the

556
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: right foot and he was just sort of available and familiar,

557
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: and so now Repulama available familiar. But also you know it,

558
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 3: the momentum of his hiring and his tenure thus far

559
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 3: has just made a lot more sense.

560
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 4: It's made a lot more sense. I know. There are

561
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 4: Arkansas people screaming out there. He went eight and five,

562
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 4: you call those great heights. Okay, maybe I took a

563
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 4: little bit of liberty there, but it's fit.

564
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 3: It's also fit, it's also place. It's also time in

565
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: one's career. Yeah, it ended up disappointing at Arkansas, but

566
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 3: we also saw somebody at Arkansas right after him who

567
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: scored on their own hoop a lat Tai Hillenbrandt and

568
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: Chad Morris. So in retrospect, repulam not the absolute worst

569
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 3: that we've seen from Arkansas.

570
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 4: So it's fine, moving on, Let's go to South Carolina

571
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 4: and Shane Beemer. Let's I am excited to hear what

572
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 4: you have to.

573
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: Say about Shane Biemer in South Carolina.

574
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 4: So yeah, Shane Beemer in year one went seven to

575
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 4: six h second order wins with six and four. So

576
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: what that tells me is that this wasn't necessarily spoken

577
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,959
Speaker 4: mirrors a little bit of luck, but maybe not as

578
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 4: much luck as you would expect. And I say that

579
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 4: because I recall when we did our SEC previews, we

580
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 4: fully expected South Carolina to be a tire fire. Sure,

581
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 4: not only was the schedule brutal, but there was roster turnover.

582
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 4: We didn't know who was playing quarterback, Zebadiba Daya Nolan

583
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 4: was going to be the quarterback a Ga. We didn't

584
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 4: find that out until like a week to three yeah,

585
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 4: before the season started. So it was like a whole thing.

586
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 4: They were trying to duct tape and chicken wire this

587
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 4: thing together pretty much from the second that Shane Biemer

588
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 4: got on campus, yep, lo and behold. I mean they

589
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 4: end up putting together a really nice campaign, going to

590
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 4: a bowl game, he gets the Duke's Mayo dumped on him.

591
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 4: This is a great campaign. Now they got Spencer Rattler

592
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 4: coming in, which by any measure, is a huge win

593
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 4: for that program. Monel Caraf he's, you know, a quarter

594
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 4: of what he was last season at Oklahoma. He's still

595
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 4: better than what they had. So there's a lot of

596
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 4: forward momentum here for Shampe Beemer. The question obviously is

597
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 4: can he maintain it? Can he maintain it? Can he

598
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 4: continue to build a roster? Will he stay at South

599
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 4: Carolina if they continue on the trajectory? Look, it's got

600
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 4: to be asked. And has been at major programs. Yeah,

601
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 4: he was at Oklahoma, right, Georgia. Yeah, So what do

602
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 4: you think of Beemer? Is this a temporary flash in

603
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 4: the pan that we saw right or is this the

604
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 4: start of something really special?

605
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: Probably somewhere in between. I think the ceiling is pretty

606
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: high for what South Carolina could be just geographically. I

607
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 3: think they should be able to, especially with Shaneemer's personality

608
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 3: and energy, be able to recruit. But well, Mushamp was

609
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: able to recruit Steve Spurry was able to recruit and

610
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: spray rhead South Carol that's at an all time high.

611
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 3: But where South Carolina is right now. So their defense

612
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 3: got dramatically better. And so we always used to talk

613
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: about how well must champs South Carolina. The defense would

614
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: improve and the offense would fall off a cliff. Offense

615
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 3: would improve, defense would fall off a cliff. So South

616
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 3: Carolina's defense got dramatically better. The offense was definitely worse,

617
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 3: but a lot of that can be attributed to health,

618
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 3: and you know quarterbacks coming in and out and you

619
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 3: know uncertainty week to week. They start what a usual receiver,

620
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 3: a high school quarterback in the bowl game, which was

621
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: ended up being very successful. To carryon, Joyner, I got

622
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: I remember these names. There's so many names to remember.

623
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: But South Carolina was good the last they weren't great,

624
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: but you know, they beat Florida, they beat Auburn. You know,

625
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: these are the context of what Florida and Auburn were

626
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 3: at the end of the year is certainly worth talking about.

627
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: But they were competitive in that loss to Missouri and

628
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 3: from where they were especially early on in the year

629
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: and the lack of points scored. I think there's an energy.

630
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: I think there's an excitement. I think there's a buy in,

631
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 3: which is anything you everything you want from a guy

632
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: taking over a program that was middling to not in

633
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 3: a good place. And so Shane Beemer is the type

634
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: of open floor aggressor that I think is almost a

635
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: one man fast break. It's he is in such good

636
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: shape and he is so excited that he's always pushing

637
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: the ball, and so anytime the defense is sort of

638
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 3: lollygagging getting back, there's Shane Beemer turning it into a

639
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 3: fast break, right. He's pushing the tempo, he's finding every

640
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 3: little crease and every little advantage. Even if he is

641
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: not the most athletic guy. You know, maybe he's the

642
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 3: one who's sort of crouching and ducking behind somebody on

643
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: an inbounds pass after a score basket and he's just

644
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 3: doing the quick steal and putting it up. So I

645
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: don't think he's getting crazy high, but I think his

646
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 3: effort and enthusiasm and how in shape of an open

647
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: floor player gets him some easy buckets more and more

648
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: year over year in the open floor, not dunking, but

649
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,239
Speaker 3: I think he's I think in tap backboard. You can

650
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 3: get backboard during a layup.

651
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 4: Sure, one of those deals where he sort of kisses

652
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 4: up against the glass and then just for just for

653
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 4: the hell of it, touches the backboard to prove that.

654
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, he's tapping back Yeah. Yeah, I

655
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 4: maybe working in the gym to try and get rim,

656
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 4: to try and get to the point where he can

657
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 4: dunk a tennis ball.

658
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: So you're talking he's wearing those those shoes, the special

659
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: Jimmy shoes.

660
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 4: From those work. Do they work?

661
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 3: I never tried, but I have to assume yes, based

662
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: on the back pages of Inside Sports magazine, to which

663
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 3: I was a subscriber in nineteen ninety one. Probably, So

664
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 3: I'm going to say yes.

665
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 4: No again.

666
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: I anticipate he finished eleventh in the SEC this last

667
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 3: recruiting class, but that's twenty sixth nationally. They signed two

668
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in this class, including a pretty highly rated one

669
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: in Brandon Davis from I'm in Delaware, the number one

670
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: player in Delaware to be sure, and T Bailey who

671
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: decommitted from Oregon and is from somewhere in the South

672
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: think Alabama and ended up committing to South Carolina. So

673
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 3: I think things are looking promising, especially with how you

674
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 3: know they were able to hit the portal and end

675
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 3: up with Spencer Rattler.

676
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 4: This is a guy who at some point in his

677
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 4: life had lowered the rim to eight feet and so

678
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 4: he knows how to conduct himself around the rim and

679
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 4: he's working on getting up there at the ten foot level. Yeah,

680
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 4: wearing the shoes.

681
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: I like that.

682
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like wharing jump. There's a fearlessness to him.

683
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 3: There is in the open floor. It doesn't always result

684
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: in something extraordinary happening, but that goes a long way.

685
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 4: Steve Sarkisian in Texas, Dan all right, Steve Sarkisian took

686
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 4: over for Tom Herman. Tom Herman went seven and three

687
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 4: and got fired. Yep, Steve Sarkisian takes over in twenty

688
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 4: twenty one, goes five and seven. Second order Wins say

689
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 4: that they were bit unlucky. Second Order Wins has them

690
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 4: at about six and a half. So there are a

691
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 4: number of different ways that you can parse that. Texas's

692
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 4: problems are many and nonspecific. They need better quarterback play.

693
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 4: Presumably they will get some of that with Quinnewers, but

694
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 4: we haven't seen much of quinnewers to actually rest on

695
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 4: that fact, so we'll assume that he'll be good because

696
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 4: he was the number one overall prospers. We haven't seen

697
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 4: any of Quinn. We haven't seen anything. Yeah, we don't

698
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 4: even really have tape. So there's that component. There is

699
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 4: a larger issue about the Texas defense too. For a

700
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 4: good long time now, and by good long time I

701
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 4: mean at least three four years, tackling has been a

702
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 4: problem mm hm. Tackling in the open field, not in

703
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 4: the open field, just general toughness on defense has been

704
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 4: a bit of a concern for the Longhorns. They need

705
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 4: to get better. Talent is not an issue, but they

706
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 4: play a bit soft on defense and they need to

707
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 4: get better at that. That's been a concern. But that

708
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 4: being said, there is no doubt that there is talent

709
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 4: there as ever in the Great State of Texas. It's

710
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 4: not just Quinn yours, Jean Robinson. We're still talking about

711
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 4: Jon Robinson. He's coming back Jean Robinson at right. No

712
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 4: think he has a choice. But yeah, Xavier Worthy I

713
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 4: think was a big time bright spot out wide for

714
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 4: that offense, emerging as a top target for Quin Yours.

715
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 4: Now going into the twenty two campaign. So they've got guys,

716
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 4: They've got plenty of talent there. It's just a matter

717
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 4: of can Sark find a way to assemble the pieces

718
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 4: and get this program feeling like it's moving to a

719
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 4: place with serious momentum. I don't know if we saw

720
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 4: that in twenty twenty two. I believe that Sark has

721
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 4: the know how, the experience, everything that you need to run.

722
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: A place like Texas.

723
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 4: Like he's been at Alabama, He's been at US, He's

724
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 4: been even at Washington. Right, He's been at places. He

725
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 4: knows what it takes to make a big time program tick.

726
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 4: Good players, great players, Yeah, great players help right? Yeah?

727
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 4: The question is can he now build sustainable success in Austin.

728
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 4: And I don't know if we have enough information at

729
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 4: this point to really gauge whether or not it's going

730
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 4: to work.

731
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 3: It needs we do, because this is we have his

732
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: freshman year. That's what the show is. It's based on

733
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 3: that first year. Did you see enough did you see

734
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 3: enough kernels to say ooh, I can see what they're

735
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 3: going for now? Did you see enough colonels to say no?

736
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 4: I didn't know if I say much?

737
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 3: Okay, Well that so then say with your chest, I.

738
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 4: Am trying to be optimistic. I'm trying to be optimistic

739
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 4: because for as much hey as we've made on the

740
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 4: wh Texas is back, Texas is not back. Thing right,

741
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 4: I don't really want to dunk on Texas to keep

742
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 4: it within the theme here. I want Texas to be back.

743
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 4: I want Texas to be interesting. I want Texas going

744
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 4: into the SEC to suddenly change the dynamic, to make

745
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 4: it harder for Nick Saban, make it harder for everybody

746
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 4: on the West Side, like I want that storyline. But

747
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 4: five and seven, man, I don't know, Like I kind

748
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 4: of hope that Sark would come in and you be

749
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 4: this quarterback whisper and either Casey Thompson or Hudson Card

750
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 4: or whoever would elevate their game and take it to

751
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 4: a different level, and Texas would be closer to back

752
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 4: going into year two.

753
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 3: So I don't think Texas was necessarily unlucky. I think

754
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: what those second order wins when you look at the

755
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: stats and teams who put up this stat or that

756
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 3: stat during a game, they win the game. However, many

757
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 3: percentage of the time, I think Texas was just wildly inconsistent.

758
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: I think they would put up a bomb quarter where

759
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 3: they were incredible. Bomb could be good or bad, I suppose,

760
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 3: but they could they put up a killer quarter and

761
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 3: scored twenty one points in the first quarter and then

762
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: just faded and just completely faded and strung together four

763
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 3: or five drives that went three and out quickly. And

764
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: so it was the inconsistency that I think so like

765
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: some of the underlying stats were there at times, but

766
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 3: the number of times at that offense went three and out,

767
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: or the number of times that defense just couldn't tackle

768
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 3: anybody or couldn't get into a passing lane. I just

769
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 3: if I'm going to look at the twenty twenty one

770
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: season as a microcosm for what Sark could be. I

771
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: think he is going to string together more successful drives

772
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: on offense, and there wasn't much in terms of the defense.

773
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: There's talent on this defense. There will be more talent

774
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: on this defense. I'm with you that I think Pete

775
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 3: Kolkowski is a good defensive mind and coordinates a good defense.

776
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I didn't even see like

777
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 3: a half, right, I didn't see a half against a

778
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: good team where like HM, they've got it going like

779
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 3: that's that's the worry for me, that their offense is

780
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: going to play so quickly good or bad, that it's

781
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 3: going to put the defense in a bad spot. Look,

782
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: the recruiting class was incredible, but that's never been the

783
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 3: problem in Austin. You know, the receivers coming in, the

784
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: offensive lineman coming in, certainly an improvement. Point in Quinn,

785
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 3: yours a talent improvement. We assume, we think, we hope,

786
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 3: but no, I think Sark when you know the offense

787
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 3: took a step back, the defense took a noticeable step back.

788
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 3: And the way that they finish their season, if that's

789
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 3: what if we're looking at buying, if we're looking at inspiration.

790
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 4: Now, these are not.

791
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 3: Sark's guys, so whatever that means. But they lose four

792
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 3: or five. Three of the losses were competitive, but that

793
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 3: includes like, oh they hung with Kansas, like cool, great.

794
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 3: I don't know what you want to take away from

795
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 3: almost being as good as Kansas, and they were not

796
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 3: competitive against Iowa State. That game was I think thirty

797
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 3: to seven. So the thing I'm taking away from this

798
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: Sark in the open floor is maybe dunking early or

799
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 3: being able to dunk when he was younger, and every

800
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: single time he now tries to dunk, he's pulling a

801
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: hamstring or like pulling up and like passing it off

802
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 3: to somebody else, or just settling for like I just

803
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 3: I think he can fly high. I think there are

804
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: too many things in the way for him to consistently

805
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 3: fly high.

806
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: You have no idea how high I can fly.

807
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 3: I don't have an idea because it's not about It's

808
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 3: not about what we think sark ceiling is in this case,

809
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 3: because we know what the ceiling could be hypothetically. I

810
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 3: just think too many things are going to continually get

811
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 3: in the way at Texas that they might have a

812
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: ten to two season and go to a New Year

813
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: six game and follow it up with a seven and

814
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 3: five season. So I'm saying occasional impressive dunk, but the

815
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 3: hamstrings are always going to.

816
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: Be a factor.

817
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 4: Here, here's what concerns me.

818
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 3: And maybe he's ham strung. There you go by those

819
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 3: around him at Texas that seemed to ham string some.

820
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 4: Other guys, pros pro Dan Rubinstein. Here's what concerns me.

821
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 4: Of course, yeah, you mentioned the inconsistency. Inconsistency is fine

822
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 4: if if we're talking about and I use this example

823
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 4: all the time. Your Notre Dame in year one under

824
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 4: Brian Kelly, right, And I use this example a lot

825
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 4: because it's a great example to me of a team

826
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 4: that was wildly inconsistent but at least felt like it

827
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 4: was playing hard every game, at least felt like there

828
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 4: was some sort of theme, some sort of higher organizational structure.

829
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 4: Even if you didn't always see the results, you could

830
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 4: at least sort of see.

831
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 1: The finish line.

832
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 4: You could see back then what kind of program he

833
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 4: was trying to build, and he was pretty successful at

834
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 4: doing it. I don't know if we have that kind

835
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 4: of vision after year one with Steve Sarkgian. I don't

836
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 4: know if we've gotten there. Maybe we'll get there in

837
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 4: near two. Maybe quinn Ewers will take that offense to

838
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 4: a different level, but certainly not on defense. Man Like,

839
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 4: on defense it was frustrating, and on defense there were

840
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 4: plenty of plays where it felt like guys were just

841
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 4: not playing that hard, right, And so that's worrying to me.

842
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 4: And I don't know if that's the kind of thing

843
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 4: that you can just fix with a full off season

844
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 4: with a new mantra. I don't know, but that's what

845
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 4: concerns me. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what I

846
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 4: worry about.

847
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: What was Brian Kelly's first year was twenty ten, twenty ten? Yeah,

848
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 3: so the twenty twenty ten Notre Dame team improved from

849
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 3: six and six to eight and five. But defensively, which

850
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 3: is where I think effort and caring and motivation comes from,

851
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 3: because tackling and defense is a lot about effort. Yep,

852
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: sixty fifth in twenty nine to thirteenth in twenty ten.

853
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 4: There you go, yep, so effort?

854
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: Right?

855
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 4: Are they playing harder? They not playing hard? There were

856
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 4: too many examples this past season where you just you

857
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 4: had a wonder about Texas. Yeah, are they playing hard?

858
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: Are their heads in this? What's going on?

859
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 4: And that I'm not saying that's a harbinger of what's

860
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 4: to come. I'm not saying and he's gonna short the

861
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 4: dunk and he's gonna land on his face. All I'm

862
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 4: saying is, like you said, watch out for the ham strings.

863
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 4: Hamstrings for the hamstrings. Okay, hammies. Okay, next coach, next coach.

864
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 4: Let's do a couple more here. Let's talk about jetfish.

865
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 3: Oh man, I would love to talk about a guy

866
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: wearing the special jumping shoes. This guy's putting in the work.

867
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 3: He's doing squats, he's jumping onto ledges all the time.

868
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: He it's it's the desire to dunk that appears to

869
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 3: be more pronounced than perhaps some of his compatriots on

870
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 3: this list. He is exhausting. He's five to seven. There

871
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 3: are spudwebbean, you know, tendencies here and this is also.

872
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 2: You have no idea how high I can fly.

873
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 3: But the work he's doing on his calves, yeah, I

874
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: think is unmatched. Continue Jetfish is doing some freestyle walking

875
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 3: just when he's out in the park with friends, jumping

876
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 3: up on benches, up on railings. It has proven that

877
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 3: he can be nimble, agile if he has to. Yeah,

878
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: you can see it. You can see the early trappings

879
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 3: of that with Jedfish. He definitely kicked up some dust

880
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 3: in year one, despite the fact that they only went

881
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 3: one in eleven.

882
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, they only went one and eleven. Now that was

883
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 4: an improvement from the and five campaign in twenty twenty.

884
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 4: You'll take the one, and you'll take a two point

885
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 4: six second order wins number for whatever that's worth. You'll

886
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 4: take it. It's better than one.

887
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 3: I agree, I agree, take it.

888
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 4: But it does feel like there is at least a

889
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 4: vibe here. There's a vibe guys like him. Recruiting has

890
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 4: been decent enough. They just picked up a four star yesterday,

891
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 4: right forget his name.

892
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 3: But Quarterback of the future. Yeah, I think he's from

893
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: Colorado quarterback yep.

894
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 4: So it just seems like people really like Jedfish for

895
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 4: whatever that's worth. The results weren't there, but the momentum

896
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 4: and the positivity is at least a change from where

897
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 4: Arizona's been over the last I don't know, three years now.

898
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 4: So taking that for what it is, it feels like

899
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 4: a situation where maybe he's got the layup down with

900
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 4: his strong side, he's working to get the layup going

901
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 4: with his left hand.

902
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if jet Fish is ready or lefty. I'

903
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: have to look that one up.

904
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 4: But nonetheless, that's where we're at with this, just trying

905
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 4: to be more efficient at getting to two points when

906
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 4: it's there in front of you. Does anybody know if

907
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 4: Jetfish is ready or lefty? How would we know any

908
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 4: of that?

909
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 3: Look unless we watch I know Jim Harbaugh is righty

910
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: because I've seen him throw football as an NFL quarterback

911
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 3: and you know, warming up for games inexplicably. But as

912
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 3: a coach, I have no idea. I Jetfish is ready

913
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: or lefty, but I think what you bring up is

914
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 3: something interesting. I think he's gonna be able to jump.

915
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonna be dunking, but I think

916
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 3: he's gonna have variety in his finishes, reverses, right hand,

917
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: left hand, hesitations, floaters like. I think he's giving himself variety,

918
00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 3: especially because of what UCLA and Arizona State currently look

919
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 3: like on the recruiting trail in southern California, Arizona on

920
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 3: the West coast whatever I think, Arizona. And so they

921
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 3: pick up the best receiver on the West coast in

922
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 3: this past class in I mean Tayo Torah McMillan. I

923
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 3: don't know how to pronounce his name yet, but he

924
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: was the jewel of Oregon's receiving core class. And so

925
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: when Mario Cristobal leaves, he ends up going to Arizona.

926
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: They hit the portal hard. I just you know, hiring

927
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 3: Don Brown. I think in year one now, of course

928
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: he leaves for the UMAs job, but I think what

929
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 3: he should be able to do on the trail and

930
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 3: in hiring assistants will continue to be impressive. And I

931
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: think that the height of what Arizona can be is

932
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 3: probably winning the South if things go terribly wrong for

933
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: places like Utah and USC and they can things can

934
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: go terribly wrong for basically everybody, So I think he

935
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 3: can put them in a position to do that. But

936
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 3: also dunking is probably Look, Arizona has won the South,

937
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 3: they flavor for Packed twelve titles once or twice, so

938
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 3: I am I'm optimistic. They got better on offense slightly.

939
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 3: They got better on defense with a very specific vision

940
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: of I don't know, just blitz every down. I don't know,

941
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 3: just send people, Just send people.

942
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 4: It can't be.

943
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 3: Worse than what we were doing in twenty twenty. So

944
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, and I'm encouraged that Arizona will be

945
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: a Bowl team, a fun bowl team, which tells me

946
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 3: that Jedfish would be skilled in the air finishing in

947
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 3: a variety of ways.

948
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you, Dan. By the way, I'm currently

949
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 4: watching a YouTube video here from the PAC twelve networks

950
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 4: trying to discern whether or not he writes with his

951
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 4: right hand, whether he's holding anything in his left hand,

952
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 4: how this is working. So we're gonna need to figure

953
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 4: this out. This is now going to be my off

954
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 4: season project. But regardless, I think I'm with you on

955
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 4: Jedfish right. I think I'm with you and good despite

956
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 4: the fact that that felt like a weird hire in

957
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 4: the very beginning, because wasn't that a situation where like

958
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 4: the president or somebody within that organization and that program

959
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 4: liked him more than the others, And it didn't feel Yeah,

960
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 4: didn't feel like it was a great fit at least

961
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 4: on the surface, but the results, at least under the surface,

962
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 4: appeared to be even though the wins aren't there yet.

963
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were competitive against Oregon until relatively close to

964
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 3: the end of that game. They gave some teams fits

965
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 3: and better than their record indicates. And I also think

966
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 3: he would be very smart to go after kids transfer

967
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 3: from the Midwest and saying, hey, Arizona, it's warm all

968
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 3: the time. We've got a bunch of attractive humans here

969
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 3: from southern California attending come on, come on down, come

970
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 3: on over, and so you can dip into Texas. It's

971
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 3: also like an underrated home field advantage if people show

972
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 3: up in that it's far away. Tucson's not the easiest

973
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 3: place to get to for all of these schools, like

974
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 3: a weird night games in the desert. I think it

975
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 3: can get like low key hostel in Tucson. In the

976
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 3: right circumstance, they'll rush the field before they lose, like

977
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 3: all sorts of things happen with Arizona games. So I

978
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: think there's like a secret home field advantage there in

979
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 3: the right circumstance.

980
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 4: Lance lpol at Kansas, Yeah, went two to ten. That

981
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 4: is an improvement by two games over the h to

982
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 4: nine campaign in twenty twenty. I love Lance Lipold. Uh Oh,

983
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 4: I am not able to be objective when it comes

984
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 4: to Lance Lightpold.

985
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: Hm.

986
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 4: I love the higher, I love the higher. This is

987
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 4: a serious football coach, a serious It's not a pr

988
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 4: stunt like when they hired Charlie Weiss or less Miles.

989
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 3: Right and David Beaty was inexperience and they took a chance.

990
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 3: But like Lance Leipold has won as a head coach. Yeah,

991
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 3: this is a serious guy.

992
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

993
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 4: This is a serious guy who knows how to run

994
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 4: a football program. Now, Kansas is not without obvious to

995
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 4: dis advantages. It's still pretty much a basketball school, but

996
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 4: there's at least a glimmer of success back in the

997
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 4: man Gino era when Kansas proved that as a football program, Yeah.

998
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: They can go to an Orange Bowl right.

999
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 4: Like there, it's doable and perhaps even more doable looking

1000
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 4: out ahead as Texas and Oklahoma are going to be

1001
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 4: exiting stage right going over to the SEC. So it's

1002
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 4: you know, there's an opportunity I think for Kansas to

1003
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 4: try and just build something on the ground floor and

1004
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 4: try to get respectable, try to get to the stage

1005
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 4: where maybe they can get to a bowl game again.

1006
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: I think it's there. I think it's doable.

1007
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 4: It's really a talent issue at Kansas. They need talent.

1008
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 4: They need to work on roster construction.

1009
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 3: Yes, of course, roster wrinkles. Roster wrinkles. Kansas dramatically improved

1010
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: on offense behind that young backfield at quarterback and running back,

1011
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 3: you know, scoring all the points that they did, especially

1012
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 3: later on in the season.

1013
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 4: The Texas win.

1014
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 3: Dramatically improve on offense, got worse on defense for sure,

1015
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: which was kind of tricky based on where they were.

1016
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: Defense is going to take a minute, but they were

1017
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 3: competitive in those you know, they win what was it,

1018
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 3: one of their last five games? I believe right, they

1019
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 3: win one of their last five, But those last two

1020
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 3: losses were competitive against TCU an incredibly down TCU, and

1021
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 3: I would argue a pretty disappointing West Virginia back half

1022
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 3: of the season, but still be in a place to

1023
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 3: be competitive, have your team up for games to potentially

1024
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 3: beat teams that are in what we believe to be

1025
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 3: better spots as a program. So I'm I'm encouraged. I

1026
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,959
Speaker 3: don't know the heights that what I see as Lance

1027
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 3: Lipold in the open floor is just going for it,

1028
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 3: getting swatted, going for it, getting stripped, going for it,

1029
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 3: getting blocked hard, but still attacking, still knowing that, you know,

1030
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 3: maybe there is going to be pity, applause and pity

1031
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 3: cheers when he finally does make a layup when they're

1032
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 3: down thirty eight at the end of a game. But

1033
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 3: he made the layup, and then maybe next game he's

1034
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 3: making a couple of those layups, and maybe the next

1035
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 3: game he's pump faking one of those guys who's swatting him.

1036
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 3: So progress, fearlessness, experience, and resilience is what I'm seeing

1037
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 3: Lance Leipold in the open floor. He's not Duncan. He's

1038
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 3: probably not. He doesn't have a finger roll. But I

1039
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 3: think there can be an efficiency and a resilience to

1040
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 3: his attitude towards finishing at the hoop.

1041
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 4: I agree with you. I also think that there is

1042
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 4: reason for optimism because of Jalen Daniels. Sure their quarterback

1043
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 4: m Is he related to.

1044
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels, I don't believe.

1045
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 2: So.

1046
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 4: Both are from southern California, but pretty common last name. Yeah,

1047
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 4: not to be confused with Jaden Daniels, who is transferring,

1048
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 4: presumably not to Kansas. But Jalen Daniels is a guy

1049
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,919
Speaker 4: who I think folks are excited about. You know, saw

1050
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 4: limited action, but in that limited action, it's pretty good. Yep.

1051
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: So it just seems to me.

1052
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 4: The fact that this is a guy who has been

1053
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 4: there before, he knows the fundamentals. This is not a

1054
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 4: Tomahawk jam situation. This is not a three sixty Ali

1055
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 4: Oop situation. This is it?

1056
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 3: Is it always Ali you? This is a I grew

1057
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 3: up on the West coast, u East coast? Is it

1058
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 3: ali Oop on the on the East coast?

1059
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 4: Because I always heard Alley oop oh, I've done alley

1060
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 4: oop oh. Okay, I didn't know it could be a

1061
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,959
Speaker 4: regional difference. He's not doing any of those frills. Lance

1062
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 4: lpol just knows that you need five guys on.

1063
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:41,959
Speaker 1: The court at the same time.

1064
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, let's start at square one. These are

1065
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 4: the rules. A bucket is worth two points unless it's

1066
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 4: worth three, unless it's worth one. Right, Like, he knows

1067
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 4: the rules, and he knows all the things that you

1068
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 4: need to in order to start building a basketball team.

1069
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 4: It's not even about the dunk for Lance Lpole. This

1070
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 4: is what Kansas needs. This is the kind of guy

1071
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 4: that Kansas needs. They don't need the pr stunt. They

1072
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 4: needs somebody who knows the freakin' rules. So I'm not

1073
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 4: even gonna play the game with Lance Lightpold. I'm not

1074
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 4: gonna worry about is he dunk and is he laying

1075
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 4: it up? He just knows how many guys need to

1076
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 4: be out there, and I think that's a great starting

1077
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 4: point for Kansas. So I remained very optimistic about the program.

1078
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 4: I think he will build this thing at least make

1079
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 4: it look like it is somewhat organized. That will be

1080
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 4: a huge market improvement from where it's been at I

1081
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 4: think Lance Leipold at Kansas trying to hurl this Kansas

1082
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 4: body towards the hoop.

1083
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 3: He's torn in achilles, he's been poked in the eye,

1084
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 3: and he's you know, ruptured a disc he's had. He's

1085
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 3: definitely had plant or fasciitis issues. So he's he's hurling,

1086
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 3: he's you know, rolling down the court with knee braces,

1087
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 3: with ankle braces, with rexpecs. But he's out there, nothing's

1088
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:57,439
Speaker 3: keeping him down.

1089
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 4: Is he the kind of guy in the pickup game

1090
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 4: who is calling Fels hmmm?

1091
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 2: No.

1092
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 3: I think he is the one who is barreling over

1093
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 3: people doing anything it takes to get to the hoop,

1094
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 3: and is playing a little.

1095
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 4: Bit too rough. Not Colin Fels, Okay, not Colline.

1096
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 3: Interesting, he's the one saying I thought we were men

1097
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,479
Speaker 3: here as a men's game, the boys game.

1098
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 4: Okay. Any other coaches you want to hit very quickly

1099
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 4: Gus Melson yep. Malson went nine and four mm hmm

1100
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 4: in year one at UCF. I think it was even

1101
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 4: more impressive because he lost his quarterback, yeah, and was

1102
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 4: sort of doing things on the fly. I'm more optimistic

1103
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 4: about that than I was initially.

1104
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 3: I think he can dunk. Yeah, I think Gus Malson's

1105
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 3: dunking in Orlando. There's a lightness to Gus Melson, the

1106
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 3: connections to high schools across the South, the local connections

1107
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 3: to high schools in Florida and Central Florida, and has

1108
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 3: that reputation of developing interesting offenses. I don't know, the

1109
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 3: quarterback reputation probably isn't there. But I think it's going

1110
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 3: to be a talented team. And you look at the

1111
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 3: American songs, Sunny Dikes, Sons Songs, Sands Hall, I think

1112
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 3: it's songs songs, Sonny Dikes, like I look, Luke Fickle's

1113
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 3: gonna be around for at least a little bit. I

1114
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 3: just the competition and the American To me, it's set

1115
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 3: up pretty nicely.

1116
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 4: Like Navy.

1117
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're ever getting back to an

1118
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 3: interesting place to where they were. I'm kind of optimistic

1119
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 3: that UCF can really solidify itself now. Houston is I

1120
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 3: think certainly going to be in that conversation moving forward,

1121
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 3: But I don't know. In like ECUs fine, Tulsa can

1122
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 3: be fine. Like I don't know how much I'm threatened

1123
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 3: by the totality of the American right now, and I

1124
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 3: think UCF can challenge for it.

1125
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 4: I think out. I think this is a dunk sort

1126
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,959
Speaker 4: of like we would see in the actual NBA Allso

1127
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 4: Our Game, where yeah, guys are just running around duncan

1128
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 4: guys are running around taking five steps without dribbling. Yeah,

1129
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 4: and nobody's playing any defense.

1130
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1131
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 3: Ah, that's not fair. That's not fully in the NBA

1132
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 3: All Star Game. No, I know, I'm saying to compare

1133
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 3: to UCF where it's just wide open show body type dunks.

1134
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm that far with gusmels On.

1135
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 3: I more look at Gus Melson as like he went

1136
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 3: keto and lost forty five pounds and his vertical increased

1137
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 3: by four inches. And in this case, I suppose the

1138
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 3: bad fats and belly fats and subcutaneous fats are all

1139
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 3: Auburn related. I don't know that's the weight he lost.

1140
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 3: They're like, oh man, my vertical increased by four inches

1141
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 3: since I left Auburn. That there is just a likeness

1142
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 3: to Gus Melson.

1143
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 4: Now.

1144
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 3: They still won games this year after losing Dylan Gabriel.

1145
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 3: It wasn't always pretty. It was absolutely not always freety,

1146
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 3: but what you see af the the offense was notice

1147
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 3: worse from where it was when Dylan Gabriel and Josh

1148
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 3: Hipel joined forces in twenty twenty. The defense was noticeably better.

1149
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 3: They finished the year out winning four or five. They

1150
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 3: were not competitive against SMU, but I mean, and those

1151
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 3: four of the four wins were against bad teams. But

1152
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 3: that's what you should do. You should beat bad teams,

1153
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 3: even when you're beat up. So I'm high on UCF

1154
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 3: and the gus bus to.

1155
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 4: Get what he got out of Mikey Keene at a

1156
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 4: moment's notice. Yeah, after Dylan Gabriel went down, I thought

1157
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 4: it was actually quite impressive. Maybe the reputation isn't too

1158
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,439
Speaker 4: maybe the reputation is not there a quarterback. I agree, right,

1159
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying Mikey Keen is like a Heisman

1160
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 4: front runner. I'm not. No, that's okay. They did a

1161
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 4: good job with him, They did a good job maximizing

1162
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 4: what they could get out of them. I'm high.

1163
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, take that out of contest context.

1164
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 4: Final one here, Final one Vandy and clerk Lee, Okay,

1165
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 4: where are you at with Vanny and Clarkly? You were

1166
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 4: very high in Clarkly. I was not Higan Clarkly.

1167
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. Vandy's offense was decently better,

1168
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 3: the defense was decently better. They lose their final five.

1169
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 3: They gave a decent fight to Miszoo in a losing

1170
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 3: effort in those last five games. I think it's just

1171
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 3: it's going to take a while. It's I think he

1172
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 3: is not dunking, but I think he can get to

1173
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 3: a place where he is. He is a contributing member

1174
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 3: of a fast break. He's not necessarily finishing strong, but

1175
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 3: he's getting hockey assists. He's getting the ball to the

1176
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 3: guy getting it to the ball who's dunking it. He

1177
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 3: is a true glue guy, and so I think he

1178
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 3: can turn Vandy into a decent contributing member of the SEC.

1179
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 3: That might mean winning four games a year, it might

1180
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 3: mean winning five to six and a half games a

1181
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 3: year or something.

1182
01:01:58,280 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 4: But I think he.

1183
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 3: Can get this program because I think there is an

1184
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 3: unusual amount of buy in in that there are not

1185
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 3: that many Vandy guys who had the profile that clark

1186
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 3: Lee had when he was at Notre Dame. That he

1187
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 3: is not somebody who is looking to get the most

1188
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 3: out of Andy and quickly flip it into another job.

1189
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 3: He wants to build sustained success. And I think that's

1190
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 3: a different approach than a lot of guys would have

1191
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 3: at a place like Vandy. And so yeah, I think

1192
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 3: he can turn he himself in the open floor. Is

1193
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 3: not necessarily finishing strong, but is that is a glue

1194
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 3: member of a fast break.

1195
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 4: He's almost playing by different rules at Randy instead of

1196
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,959
Speaker 4: this being a game where he's trying to dunk. Maybe

1197
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 4: he's just getting really good at playing horse. Maybe he's

1198
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 4: got a specific shot that he knows is difficult, right,

1199
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 4: and he can put an an O or an S

1200
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 4: on the board to make things interesting along the way.

1201
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 4: Maybe it's you knoww he throws it down, bounces it

1202
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 4: up for a basketball. Maybe he's got some sort of

1203
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 4: weird angle. Maybe he's shooting back over the backboard. Have

1204
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 4: you done that? You've done that right kind of of course,

1205
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 4: So you're shooting back over it's a hard shot to make.

1206
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 4: Maybe Clark Lee is trying to get really good at one.

1207
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: Of those gimmick type things.

1208
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 3: He's running a full court press system. It's just where

1209
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 3: lot yeah, a little bit different. He's playing by different

1210
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 3: rules marching to his own drummer. He's at a place

1211
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 3: like Vandy, which it's tough to win at Vandy. Yep,

1212
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 3: it is tough to win. And I think to your point,

1213
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 3: Vandy people are okay with that.

1214
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 4: They're okay with that.

1215
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 3: To a baseball school, they're okay with that.

1216
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. It's just gonna be a little different. Maybe

1217
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,919
Speaker 4: we don't grade this on the same skill. So I'm

1218
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 4: not even thinking in terms of dunkstand. I'm thinking in

1219
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 4: terms of is this a guy who can challenge when

1220
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 4: we're horse and I think if you give him a

1221
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 4: few years, which they have to do, he's a Vandy

1222
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 4: gutta have to. I think that, yeah, I think that

1223
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 4: he can get them playing better. We did see improvement

1224
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 4: near one, he saw improvement. If we continue to see improvement,

1225
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 4: then yeah, maybe we get to the point where we're

1226
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 4: talking about, all right, maybe maybe we can dunk on

1227
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 4: an eight foot rim. But for now, just getting the

1228
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 4: ball in the hoop, making it look interesting, giving people

1229
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 4: a reason to feel good about things.

1230
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: I think that's where we're at.

1231
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 3: Quickly, Boise State, Utah State will hit Mountain West quickly.

1232
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 3: I think Blake Anderson's dunking. I just think he's going

1233
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,439
Speaker 3: to have Utah State in a good place. We saw

1234
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 3: how often he won at Arkansas State. We see the

1235
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 3: not the issues, but the up and down nature of

1236
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 3: the Mountain West, with you know, Kaylin Debora leaving in

1237
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 3: San Diego State still not being able to field an

1238
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 3: offense no matter who their coach is, and San Jose

1239
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 3: State going downhill, Hawaii going downhill. Like, there's just a

1240
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 3: number of factors here that I think there's a vacuum

1241
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 3: and Utah State, yes, there was. It was such an

1242
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 3: incredible low with Gary Anderson being brought back in and

1243
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 3: then leaving the way that he did. I think there's stability.

1244
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 3: I think there's excitement. I think they'll hit the they'll

1245
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 3: continue to hit the portal hard. I have Blake Anderson

1246
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 3: as an unsplashy, successful dunker in that specific gym.

1247
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, how about.

1248
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 3: That Boise a little bit less so, But I think

1249
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 3: there's a creativity to Boise and Andy avlos So. Boise's offense, Uh,

1250
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 3: it regressed a bit, but the defense improved decently. They

1251
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 3: won four of their last five to finish. I know

1252
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 3: there's the roster is not I don't believe in an

1253
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 3: amazing place. But I think Andy Avlos will utilize speed

1254
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,919
Speaker 3: and creativity to get to the hoop more often than

1255
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 3: not and be an asset to a team that likes

1256
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 3: to run.

1257
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's interesting to me is we don't have any

1258
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 4: Tomahawk jams here.

1259
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: We don't have any. We don't don't have any.

1260
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 4: Star studded dunkers in this I.

1261
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 3: Think I think we could get an occasional flashy dunk

1262
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 3: from Tennessee. I think we can get an occasional flashy

1263
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 3: dunk from Texas. I think Tennessee will we'll be playing

1264
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 3: above the rim more often than Texas.

1265
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, but.

1266
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 3: I yeah, I don't have a surefire. I mean, I

1267
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 3: have UCF and Utah State as dunkers. But no, it's

1268
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 3: it's there. There is a big man in both of

1269
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 3: their ways. None of these guys are getting in the

1270
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 3: dunk contest, at least not at this juncture. They could

1271
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 3: get there, sure if Jed Fish keeps wearing the shoes,

1272
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 3: who knows. But yeah, we're not there yet.

1273
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 4: No, we're not. Can I say what you normally say?

1274
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: Please?

1275
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 4: Fun show? Yeah, that's my line. I know it was

1276
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 4: a good show. It was a good show I had

1277
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 4: for five minutes. Notice this is a pretty good Yeah.

1278
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 3: I uh, I missed basketball camp. I was a good

1279
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 3: little player, tie I was. Basketball is an incredibly fun

1280
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 3: sport to be and I peaked when I was nine

1281
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 3: or ten years old, to be clear. But it was

1282
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 3: an incredibly fun sport to be way better than my

1283
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,439
Speaker 3: friends at that's bad English. I like I could cross

1284
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 3: up my friends when I was in elementary school and

1285
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 3: I could toy with them, And it's a really fun sport.

1286
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 3: Like Baseball's pretty fun, but you need a lot of people.

1287
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 3: Baseball's fun. Football's fund. You need a lot of people,

1288
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 3: but you can torch people, you know, receiver or whatever.

1289
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 3: Basketball is that one on one mentality where you could

1290
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 3: really goof on your friends and toy with them.

1291
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 4: And that was that was me. When I was nine

1292
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Speaker 4: or ten, I had a basketball hoop out back. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that we're pretty certain was actually at eleven feet. Well

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Speaker 4: you're also a shorter guy. No no, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: no no, no, nothing to do with it. Okay, I

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Speaker 4: had friends who were very good at basketball. Oh okay,

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Speaker 4: we were all certain that the hoop was too high.

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Speaker 4: It could have been because the driveway was on a

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Speaker 4: little bit of an angle. That'll contribute, but it may

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Speaker 4: have been over ten feet. It was always tougher to

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Speaker 4: come to the tie home and play backyard basketball.

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Speaker 3: The thing you missed out on, well, that is a

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Speaker 3: nice home court advantage.

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Speaker 4: The eleven foot hoop.

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Speaker 1: It was huge. It was huge.

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Speaker 4: You can talk to mom h about. There was also

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Speaker 4: a power line that was in the way if you

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Speaker 4: shot from the left corner. Yeah, there was a power

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Speaker 4: line that got in the way, and so you had

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Speaker 4: a sort of like you had to rifle it to

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Speaker 4: get under the wire. You had to go like a

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Speaker 4: punch shot and go off, or you had a really

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Speaker 4: rainbow it, which was tough because you were playing uphill

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Speaker 4: to avoid the power lines.

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Speaker 3: The thing you missed out on by not concentrating on

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Speaker 3: basketball maybe I don't know, if you went to baseball camp,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what if you'd had any sports camp experience, sure,

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Speaker 3: but the cornerstone part for me of going to basketball

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01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 3: camp and you would have somebody host the camp, right

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Speaker 3: it would be the coach of a local team or

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Speaker 3: a player that's from the area or something like that.

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Speaker 3: It was an easy way to make a buck. I

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Speaker 3: assume is the visiting speakers. So I went to Jack Haley,

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Speaker 3: who was like the thirteenth man on the Bulls, and

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Speaker 3: I went to his camp at a couple different local

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Speaker 3: schools and he would bring in the basketball players he knew,

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Speaker 3: but they wouldn't be and he did. Okay, he brought

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Speaker 3: in Dennis Rodman and that was rad. But other than

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Speaker 3: Dennis Rodman, it would be like Don McClain who was

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Speaker 3: like a very solid jumpshooter for UCLA and had a

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Speaker 3: solid NBA career, but like, there was nothing about Don

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Speaker 3: McClain's game that would really translate to like a nine

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01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 3: year old. There was nothing flashy or impressive about getting

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Speaker 3: a Don McClain signe basketball. But you'd get all these

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Speaker 3: guys speaking and maybe they're being paid whatever they were,

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01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 3: you know, they was doing favors for their friends that

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Speaker 3: like you could have gone to like a laugh like

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Speaker 3: a Frano and Lynn Lafayette basketball camp, and you just

1339
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 3: missed the lessons of like a random Patriot League shooting

1340
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 3: guard or like calling in a favor and getting like

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01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 3: Dana Barrows to come speak out like your Lehigh basketball camp,

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Speaker 3: and like any of these guys. When you are that age, like,

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Speaker 3: oh man, this guy is the ten. The average is

1344
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 3: four point eight points for the Philadelphia seventy six ers.

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01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 3: And they would come and they would like sometimes play

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Speaker 3: against other kids, and so then all the other campers

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01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 3: would watch, like oh when a kid would score a

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Speaker 3: basket over an NBA player, And there were I mean,

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01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan has a camp and they're like those famous

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01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 3: videos of that too. But of going to like these

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Speaker 3: very regional camps, and like I went to a Lorenzo Romar,

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01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 3: you know, Pepperdine UCLA.

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Speaker 4: Like he went.

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Speaker 3: He would like bring kids up and he's the coach

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01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 3: of Pepperdine and they would kill time where he would

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01:10:55,960 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 3: just juke eleven year olds like fifty on your old

1357
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 3: Lorenzo Romar, and everybody would have a blast watching these

1358
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 3: kids trip all over the place. That was the formative

1359
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 3: experience that you missed out on not going to basketball camp.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, any NBA player, even the guy who scores like

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Speaker 4: two points, oh man on the open floor with oh yeah,

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01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 4: nobody can testing a shot well.

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Speaker 3: Like also, these NBA players are not used to being

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Speaker 3: celebrated because they're the guys at some of these camps.

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Speaker 3: Right the seventh man, the ninth man or something like that,

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Speaker 3: and then they would have like a counselor rebound for

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Speaker 3: them as they would put up seventeen footers and make

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Speaker 3: all of them. Because they were NBA players shooting uncontested

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Speaker 3: seventeen footers and you're watching them, they're like, this guy

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01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 3: should be way more famous. He's hitting every seventeen footer

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Speaker 3: without anybody guarding him. Yeah, meanwhile, he's shooting a thousand

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Speaker 3: of them a day. So it was just it was

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Speaker 3: an incredible experience as.

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Speaker 4: A little one.

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01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 3: That's all send your kids to basketball.

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Speaker 4: Camp the halcyon days, Dan of Sports, I had to

1377
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 4: look up fran O'Hanlon's name. I didn't. That was not

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01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 4: an easy poll for me. That's a deep cut, all right,

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for downloading, for listening. Don't forget

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Speaker 1: I've got a picture of it there. Nice.

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Speaker 4: Just got to do a few quick, free and easy

1390
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Speaker 4: things to get your name in the hat. We're gonna

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Speaker 4: draw that winner at some point early next month.

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Speaker 3: I'm learning about fran o'hanlin as we speak. He's been

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01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 3: the Lafayette coach since nineteen ninety five. Yeah, yeah, he

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, he was the Venezuelan League champion as

1395
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 3: a coach in nineteen eighty three. He runs Venezuela shout

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Speaker 3: out Caracas. Oh my god, Odd, what a resume she's

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Speaker 3: gonna bring.

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Speaker 4: We should do as an off topic show, like an

1399
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Speaker 4: old school sports episode, where either we bring on somebody

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Speaker 4: who runs just shout names at each other. Well, yeah,

1401
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:19,520
Speaker 4: somebody who runs a podcast on either the basketball, football

1402
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:24,600
Speaker 4: or soccer soccer baseball side and just talk talk it

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01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 4: out like in the early nineties.

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Speaker 3: We can just select a year. Yeah, we can just

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Speaker 3: select nineteen ninety four, nineteen ninety two and just discuss

1406
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 3: the year in sports. Yeah, and every single story. Ninety

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Speaker 3: two would be nice because he got the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: Olympics. Ye, dream team stream team right, that was dream team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Fran Ohnlin is or we have on Frano Handlin.

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01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 3: So he has been the coach for if my math

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01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 3: serves about twenty seven years. Yeah, Fran Ohnlin's tenure at

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01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 3: Lafayette is old enough to rent a car.

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01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 4: That's good for Fran. For that guy over there, my

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01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 4: good friend Dan Rubinstein. From myself, Tie hilden Brand, thanks

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Speaker 4: so much for downloading, listening, playing along with our madness

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Speaker 4: at home. Yes, we will be back at least on

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Speaker 4: the public feed. Hmmm next Tuesday. Have yourself a good weekend.

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Speaker 4: As always, stay solid, peace,