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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huts. Giant Giants,

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Speaker 1: give me part of the Giants Podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: Let's welcome to another edition of The Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the

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Speaker 2: New York Football Giants. I am John schmelk t very

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Speaker 2: special guests. This week we have two of the masterminds

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Speaker 2: between Hard Knocks off season with the New York Football Giants.

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Speaker 2: We have supervising producer Paul Camarata and senior producer Emily Letner.

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Speaker 3: Cameron, Guys, thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: For doing this and thank you for putting such great

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Speaker 2: content out there for all of us to enjoy the

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Speaker 2: last few weeks.

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Speaker 1: Thanks having us, Thanks for having us.

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Speaker 3: All right, so let's start with this. Both of you

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Speaker 3: have done Hard Knocks before.

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Speaker 2: Emily, you're in fact right in the middle of doing

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Speaker 2: the Bears one over the summer, right, So let's start

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Speaker 2: with you, and then Paul, you can give your take

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Speaker 2: biggest difference in doing this version of Hard Knocks and

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Speaker 2: you can get inside nerdy production stuff.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Versus what the Giants off season was this year? What

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Speaker 2: was the biggest challenge of differences for you, guys?

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Speaker 3: Trying to put it together.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there are we're a ton and this is

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Speaker 4: the first time we ever covered this part of the

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Speaker 4: calendar with this part of a organization, So right off

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Speaker 4: the bat, it was just different, just being like, this

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Speaker 4: is more of a front office show about the staff,

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Speaker 4: less about the players. The players are obviously going to

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Speaker 4: be a part of it, but that's definitely you know,

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Speaker 4: quickly it was like our main characters are you know,

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Speaker 4: Joe Shane and his staff and as well as you know,

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Speaker 4: the coaching staff as well, So that was a big difference.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think also the timeline is a huge

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Speaker 4: difference because we were, you know, filming for three four

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Speaker 4: months and then putting it together to air three months later,

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Speaker 4: which I think was a huge benefit to this show

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Speaker 4: because you know, the amount of volume of potential scenarios

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Speaker 4: that could happen of players they sign or draft are

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Speaker 4: almost it seems like, and they definitely exhaust all options.

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Speaker 4: So it was kind of having the time to capture

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Speaker 4: that and then develop the stories with where you know,

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Speaker 4: who ended up being the twenty twenty four Giants players

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Speaker 4: was super helpful. Where it's kind of in the in

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Speaker 4: season version and the training camp version because it airs

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Speaker 4: every week in live you are way more just kind

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Speaker 4: of guessing on the fly for that, whereas this one.

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Speaker 4: You know, we had the benefit of the Giants one

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Speaker 4: working really closely with us, and also of time to

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Speaker 4: kind of capture everything and then see how things develop.

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Speaker 1: How about you, Paul, I don't know if I much

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Speaker 1: to add to that. No, I think I think I

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Speaker 1: only hit on it. It's a different story. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's football news and football business basically twelve months a

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Speaker 1: year now. I think that the main difference was the

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Speaker 1: depth with which we went into this sector of the calendar.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've done slices of it on different shows.

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Speaker 1: We do a show called Hey Rookie of the NFL

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL, where we follow couple guys from

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Speaker 1: end of college season through the draft. But again to

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Speaker 1: Emily's earlier point, that's a player focused show. I think

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Speaker 1: that's one of the biggest differences we had. Someone another producer,

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Speaker 1: a friend. I really love watching this giant show because

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Speaker 1: who work in football who aren't players. I can't relate

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Speaker 1: have to go back and get information. There's sort of

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Speaker 1: show some people have called it, which was a different

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Speaker 1: version of the story for us to tell. And you

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Speaker 1: new way towards this portion of the calendar, and the

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Speaker 2: I gotta imagine when you're doing the summer show, these

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Speaker 2: stories tell themselves, right, A young kid has great practices,

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Speaker 2: You've picked some players ahead of time, Shore, but I

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Speaker 2: You have some idea based in the conversations who the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's you now that that was a huge undertaking,

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Speaker 4: and I think like there is a certain amount of

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Speaker 4: very beginning, we definitely Paul and I talked with our

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Speaker 4: have done a lot of really great work organizing and

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Speaker 4: this one we kind of were like, all right, well,

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Speaker 4: because any decision could lead anywhere. So they did a huge, huge,

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Speaker 4: those conversations that we were alerted to, and you know,

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Speaker 2: Well, what was it monitoring? Like, is it twenty four

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Speaker 2: Are you recording at all times? Do you actually the

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Speaker 3: Room like, oh, that could be interesting?

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Speaker 2: How did that process work out in terms of making

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Speaker 1: It's not twenty four to seven. I mean it's a lot.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, we have our equipment there at the ready,

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Speaker 1: So we had we had the equipment of the ready,

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Speaker 1: like Emily said, there's a lot of work that goes

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Speaker 1: So we have to just pick our spots, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: Are you rolling on every hamra at the state at

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, there is an operator that has control of

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Speaker 3: All the time, got it.

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Speaker 2: What was the process like of working with the Giants

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Speaker 2: Emily to figure out what can go in? What can

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you guys have learned over your years of

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Speaker 2: doing hard knocks what you could even try to pitch

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Speaker 3: Like, we have no shot. But what was that process like?

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Speaker 2: What was it liking working with the Giants ownership front

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Speaker 2: obviously putting things out there that could hurt the organization,

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Speaker 4: And I mean I think from the beginning the Giants

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Speaker 4: just to give us a heads up on what is

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Speaker 4: on the calendar of this, Like front office like, we

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Speaker 4: not sure when they had the meetings. So they certainly

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Speaker 4: it was a huge collaborative process, and it is with

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Speaker 2: of those phone calls for people on the other end?

440
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,119
Speaker 2: And did you notice when like Joe's talking to guys

441
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 2: at the combine or Senior Ball that other teams, you know,

442
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 2: knowing that he's micd up, maybe they might be a

443
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,359
Speaker 2: little hesitant to to kind of talk to him.

444
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:32,680
Speaker 3: Was what was that process?

445
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 1: Like, we definitely got and everything was cased by case

446
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 1: in terms of who we went to and at what

447
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 1: point in the process, and some of it is it's

448
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,440
Speaker 1: almost like again we go out and shoot games on Sunday,

449
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 1: we capture so much more than ever makes air. So

450
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 1: it sort of evolves as the production goes on. Again,

451
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 1: we don't know what conversations are even going to be

452
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 1: relevant to put in a first edit until those things

453
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 1: start taking shape, and then it just comes down to

454
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, as NFL films storytellers of the league, you know,

455
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 1: we have we have existing relationships. We also have sort

456
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,640
Speaker 1: of the global responsibility to always, you know, not put

457
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 1: something out there that's going to burn anybody, like, that's

458
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 1: not what we're about, and so we take that as

459
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: our starting point. But then there's certain times where it's

460
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 1: an innocuous sort of it could be just like two

461
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,360
Speaker 1: people chatting on the phone and versus other ones where

462
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, this is one. We want to

463
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,719
Speaker 1: make sure everyone's comfortable with it and approves the usage

464
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,199
Speaker 1: before we go out. So it was a case by

465
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 1: case process with you know, you know, other than the

466
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 1: people that were in the building every day when there

467
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 1: were phone calls and things like that, we we kind

468
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: of manage them each individually. Yeah.

469
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I got to imagine when you've first captured the

470
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,159
Speaker 2: Dan Morgan Joe Shane on the sideline of the Senior

471
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 2: Bawl with kind of like the just joking Brian Burns

472
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 2: throwaway line.

473
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 3: I mean at that point, it wasn't even on anyone's

474
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 3: radar that that kid, that that that trade could happen.

475
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 2: And that's one of those things if you're not logging

476
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 2: it properly, that can just get lost to history, right,

477
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 2: and you never even had it, no.

478
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Yeah, it's it's it's really in this

479
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 1: type of production Tellily's point about where you have the

480
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 1: longer time line, that's the great advantage you don't want

481
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 1: to lose. Like you have the ability to not just

482
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 1: do a bunch of shooting, but like the shooting's only

483
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: as good as you're like knowing what you have, right,

484
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: So logging it, evaluating it again, collaborating on the team,

485
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: and just always every week we would meet and people

486
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 1: who were logging and starting to edit would sort of

487
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,719
Speaker 1: update each other. So there was a growing institutional knowledge

488
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 1: of what the what the conversations were within the characters worlds,

489
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: and then that helped us be really aware of what

490
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 1: was happening, finding clues to something else, asking a good

491
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: question when we went into an interview environment and we

492
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 1: wanted to follow up on something Yeah, it's really a

493
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,479
Speaker 1: matter of like, I mean, filmmaking is really as you know,

494
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: I've never played in the NFL, but it's as much

495
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 1: a team sport as football, I think, at least in

496
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: terms of how we rely on each other, and we

497
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: really can't achieve the final product with that everybody really

498
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: being a good lock step.

499
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 2: Did you have any storylines Emily that you had to

500
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 2: either leave on the cutting room floor because of time

501
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: constraints or just storylines that you thought maybe back in April,

502
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 2: like April tenth, you're like, oh, this is going to

503
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 2: be a huge storyline. Then it just never materialized that

504
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, I have so much good stuff and

505
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: now I can't use it.

506
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like there's a bit of option

507
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 4: based paralysis because there are so many ways you can

508
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 4: kind of take this story. But I do think again,

509
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,959
Speaker 4: kind of going back to the benefit of time and

510
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 4: seeing that is that was able to kind of streamline

511
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 4: our process of what stories to focus on and what

512
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 4: guys to focus on. But like, whereas you know in

513
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 4: the other versions of the show, you are kind of like, well,

514
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 4: this is the most entertaining to me, and I don't

515
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 4: know how it's gonna end up, so let's go with

516
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 4: that type deal. Whereas I do feel like there was

517
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 4: a benefit of, you know, again, kind of building the

518
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 4: most entertaining content kind of to you and then letting

519
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 4: the way it played out kind of dictate if you

520
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 4: need to go back and change that or change things

521
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 4: around for the most part, But no, I think I think,

522
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 4: honestly like there there isn't much that jumps to mind

523
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 4: in terms of cutting room floor, because I think we

524
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 4: were able to kind of be really focused once we

525
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 4: kind of got down to the nitty gritty editing and

526
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 4: get into it, and it was really kind of just

527
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 4: refining and making things clear and kind of not superfluous

528
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 4: to the story.

529
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: Well, what was the thought process in terms of including

530
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 2: some of the spring workouts OTA's mini camp. You know,

531
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: we did a lot of stuff with Daniel, but some

532
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: of the other veteran players on the team, and including

533
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: more of like the on field spring practice stuff. Where

534
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 2: the show kind of ended at the draft. You had

535
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: a little montage at the end where you showed some

536
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: of the spring stuff. What was the thoughts of including

537
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: some of the veteran off season workout stuff and spring

538
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: practices as opposed to most of the office front office

539
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 2: decision making content.

540
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: I think it was just as simple as you know,

541
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: we still we were focused on the front office. We

542
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: weren't focused on Joe and company in terms of the

543
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: daily work and the grind and the the mission they

544
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: have in a day to day basis. But at the

545
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: end of the day, and so Tembley's early point like

546
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: versus a training game show, where you are so much

547
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: more focused on the players, right, we knew we weren't

548
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: gonna be focusing on the players, but the players, we

549
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: didn't want them to be invisible. You know, there's still

550
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: part of the universe. There's still again we're capturing the

551
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: work in the building. The players are still coming through

552
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: the building. You know, you mentioned Daniel. Obviously, Joe is

553
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: very transparent from the beginning. What the decisions around Daniel

554
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 1: we're going to be, We're going to be figured out

555
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: over the course of the spring. You know, his rehab

556
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: was a part of that. So that was a story

557
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: that certainly percolated to the surface where we wanted to

558
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: be able to bring that to life for the viewers. Again,

559
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: Brian Burns, there was sort of a natural inclination once

560
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: that continued to gain steam, like, all right, it's a

561
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: big deal that they're going to trade for him. We're

562
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 1: gonna make that a big moment. And then over the

563
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: course of what the timeline was of the series and

564
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: what the story sort of beginning in was, at some

565
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: point he's going to show up in New York. We

566
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: want to see what that, you know, we want to

567
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: see that. We want to see him working out. I

568
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: want to see him starting to mix. Not that we

569
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't necessarily a focal point. We didn't

570
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: interview him, but that was the unfolding of the season,

571
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: and you know, those are the humans behind all these

572
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: cards on the board, So we definitely didn't want the

573
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: players to disappear. You know, that's what the I think,

574
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: that's what the work in the front office is really about. Players.

575
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: You know, we didn't necessarily follow them, but that doesn't

576
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: mean they weren't part of the universe.

577
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 2: I want to ask this question to both of you

578
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: because I'm sure both of you had some expectations of

579
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 2: what this process was going to look like and what

580
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: capturing it was going to be like. So for both

581
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: you and Emily, will start with you just impressions of

582
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: how the Giants front office operates from a completely neutral

583
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 2: coming in perspective, and maybe how was the process of

584
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: how teams do this in the offseason different than maybe

585
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: how you thought it was.

586
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 3: Going to go.

587
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'll start with I think what struck

588
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 4: me the most about the Giants process in particular was

589
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 4: even like kind of like from the beginning, like Joe

590
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 4: Shane and Brandon Brown were super open about how it's

591
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 4: not just one voice that makes these decisions or put

592
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 4: has input, and they were really kind of a proponent

593
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 4: of taking a look at all angles of a situation

594
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 4: and if you know, wanted to make sure that if

595
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 4: someone on their team thought differently or they wanted to

596
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 4: hear kind of all perspectives like that was a hugely

597
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 4: important part of making these decisions. Is they wanted you know,

598
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 4: they want a staff that speaks up and has a

599
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 4: different opinion on these guys because you know, it's not

600
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 4: a monolith. Everyone doesn't think the same. And at the

601
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 4: same time, like, uh, there's a lot of different factors

602
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 4: that go into evaluating these players that some pain out

603
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 4: and some don't. So I think the fact that I

604
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 4: want to say they they felt the differing of opinions

605
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 4: and kind of different angles coming at a table was important,

606
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 4: really spoke to I think resonated with me when capturing

607
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 4: it that like you're like, yeah, it's it's important to

608
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 4: see that it's not just like, Okay, we all like

609
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 4: Malik Neighbors, Yes, that's what we chose. It's it's no,

610
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 4: it's let's look at all all these guys and may

611
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 4: and see why what rises the top is why the

612
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 4: leak Neighbors was the best choice for us at number six.

613
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 4: So I think kind of the transparency and openness of

614
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 4: that process and and kind of you know, raising different

615
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 4: opinions not just agreeing with the GM because that's what

616
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 4: he says, was super important and eye opening for the Giants.

617
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, it does seem that that's

618
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 4: an important part you know around the league to making

619
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 4: these uh decisions in the front office, is that like, uh,

620
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 4: there are so many different ways you can go and

621
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 4: so many different factors that you know, it's easy to

622
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 4: say like oh, like on the on the draft pundit

623
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 4: like yeah, this guy's a sure thing, he's gonna pan out,

624
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 4: But no, you don't know. That's why you have to

625
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 4: do the work, so, uh, the amount of work that

626
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 4: goes into that, I think it seems seems like that's

627
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 4: common across kind of all the front offices, and that's

628
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 4: kind of what has to be done to uh, to

629
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 4: kind of make an informed decision.

630
00:28:58,840 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: How about you, Paul.

631
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: I think my impressions of the Giants were, I mean, honestly,

632
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: just they're incredibly organized, they were incredibly collaborative. I'm gonna

633
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: again echo some of things Emily said. I thought they

634
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: have a really they all spoke like with such authentic

635
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: belief in their in the work that they were doing

636
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: for each other, right, They really they really gave each

637
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: other credit and in a in this really real way

638
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: that they were trying to help each other out always

639
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,239
Speaker 1: to to get to the to the ultimate goal. They

640
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: really just felt like the all on the same page.

641
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: Hannah Burnett and Jeremy Bright talked about that Mike derive

642
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: some of the Scouts. They talked about the pride they

643
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,719
Speaker 1: took in their job but also fitting into the larger mission,

644
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: you know, and how and especially in the viewpoint of

645
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: the Scouts, a lot of their work is out on

646
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: the road for a lot of the year, and then

647
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: this happened to be the part of the year where

648
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: they're together, so we're kind of seeing those dynamics play out,

649
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: and so I think there was an energy about that

650
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: that I thought was really and fun to watch, and

651
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: again it kind of inspiring to the point of like

652
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: how we all do our jobs with our teammates, you know,

653
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: they just always had a plan for everything. And then

654
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: the best football teams to be around at every level,

655
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: I would say, are the ones that, like you can

656
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: ask them on July thirty first, you know, what are

657
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: you guys doing on May second next year at two pm? Right?

658
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: And they like they know, like their calendars and they're

659
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: so well calibrated around you know, obviously during the season

660
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Speaker 1: it's all it's the micro of that is during the week,

661
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, we're playing Sunday at one, everything's got to

662
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Speaker 1: be ready for that and we back into that that

663
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Speaker 1: kickoff time. But I really felt like the Giants were

664
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Speaker 1: like that with their spring, Like they had all their

665
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Speaker 1: schedules and all their calendars and who is going where

666
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Speaker 1: and just a million moving parts, but they always knew

667
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Speaker 1: what was happening. It made our jobs and our lives

668
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Speaker 1: easier in terms of trying to deduce as best we

669
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: could wear the story was going to be. But again,

670
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Speaker 1: I think as storytellers, it was interesting to see that

671
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: part of the business of pro football, you know, but

672
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: again it could have been the business of anything, and

673
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: that was that was Those were sort of my takeaways.

674
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we had I was just astonished. And I

675
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Speaker 1: think the reason I ended up at all the places

676
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: I just described becau is because I started out in

677
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Speaker 1: the first weeks really probably literally the first week, just

678
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: being amazed how many people were spending how many hours

679
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: on how much information and how much gaming out of situations,

680
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: and how much how much work they had already done

681
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: to the point, like I said, the scouts in the

682
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: fall just to prepare themselves for January. And I was

683
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: just like blown away, like how could they even begin

684
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: to wrap their minds around it? But then we watched

685
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: for four months and we just saw it was just

686
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: how they approached their work was the answer. So that

687
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: was a really insightful thing to see unfold. And then

688
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: of course it culminates in these peaks like the day

689
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Speaker 1: of free agency, like the first round of the draft,

690
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: and those are the things people pay attention to and

691
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: get the headlines, But boy, there's a lot behind the

692
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: curtain that's going on to make those things come to fruition.

693
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Speaker 1: So those were kind of my takeaways of observing it all.

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Speaker 3: One more specific question about the show.

704
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: They're gonna throw some fan theories at you guys, and

705
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: then I'm gonna ask you about what's coming in the summer.

706
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: In the fall, I thought the way you guys kind

707
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: of let the Scouts show who they are throughout the

708
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: program was interesting, and I was blown away by you

709
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: guys showing some of the Joe Shane conversations with them

710
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: after the year.

711
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Speaker 3: I imagine that was probably something where you're.

712
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: Like, I wonder if they're gonna want us to show

713
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: that or not, So how did that decision process go

714
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: in terms of how you kind of close the show

715
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: out showing Joe Shane, you know, just trying to teach

716
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: and do the job any good leader would do with

717
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: their employees and any job, and trying to make them

718
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Speaker 2: better at what they do with the individual scouts Emily.

719
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Speaker 4: So, yeah, I think I kind of when we saw

720
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 4: that too, and I think we asked Joe about it too.

721
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Speaker 4: I think one of the first things he's always said

722
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 4: is that he was very proud of the fact that

723
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Speaker 4: he kind of came up in all those positions, and

724
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 4: that's like he knows what every one of those people

725
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 4: are are going through. He's been there, and he knows

726
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Speaker 4: that however he can help them get to the next

727
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 4: level is kind of something he wants to do because

728
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 4: that's how people helped him in his career, which was

729
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 4: really cool. But I also think the other cool part

730
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Speaker 4: about that that kind of resonated with us is you

731
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Speaker 4: see these guys evaluating players constantly. It was kind of

732
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Speaker 4: cool to see them evaluate themselves in the same vein.

733
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Speaker 4: And I think, you know, I don't think there even

734
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 4: that there was a super hesitation about kind of like

735
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 4: showing that because I think that's part of the process

736
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 4: that you know, we thought like that. The Giants were

737
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 4: pretty up front that they like, that's part of what

738
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 4: we do. We're hard on evaluating ourselves. We try like

739
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 4: we believe in our process and the work that we do,

740
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 4: so showing it is a good thing. But I think

741
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 4: that's kind of what resonated about that too, is like

742
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 4: that they put themselves under the microscope as much as

743
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 4: they put these players they're evaluating too, which you know,

744
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 4: again it's kind of another part of a process that

745
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 4: just makes everything better, and you know, taking the time

746
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 4: to kind of take a second and go through, like

747
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 4: how did we do in our jobs this offseason only

748
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 4: makes the whole team better. So that was kind of

749
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 4: a cool thought of that. And something that I think

750
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 4: struck was like, Oh, like they're they're evaluating each other

751
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 4: as hard as they're evaluating all of these players you

752
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 4: just saw picked.

753
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Speaker 2: All right, then, Paul, I'll just give you a comment

754
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: and then you can kind of respond to it if

755
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: you like. The next to last episode is they're sitting

756
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: there and Joe Shane's talking to Elliot Wolfe. I was tense,

757
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: like I'm sitting there like all right, like this is

758
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: like the real deal. Now, like they decide, well, how

759
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: much shoul we'd be willing to trade for this guy?

760
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 3: All right?

761
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: Well if he's not there, then what do we do?

762
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: And going through those scenarios. I mean, look, we all,

763
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: like you know, mess around fantasy football, right, and we

764
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: think about, oh, I want to do this fantasy football

765
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: share this is like real life, like ending beginning careers,

766
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: singular decisions, especially when it comes to a quarterback, right,

767
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: what you're going to do? Do you guys feel that

768
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: the same way you got the viewers to feel it

769
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: as you're viewing and listening and putting these conversations together.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can only answer for myself. But when

771
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: I first was and I'm gonna go the way back machine,

772
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: when I first worked in Hard Knocks for the first time,

773
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: the producers who passed the boutonomy for the role that

774
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: I was gonna take on said, look, you're gonna see

775
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: a lot of footage that's basically and you're gonna see

776
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: a lot of scenes that are cut, even cut scenes

777
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: forget the raw footage. You're gonna you're gonna beat. My

778
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: job at the time was to take all these scenes

779
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Speaker 1: and maybe it was make it up sixty to sixty

780
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: to ninety minutes of scenes that other people like cut

781
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Speaker 1: and help guide the process of cutting it down to

782
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: forty five to sixty minutes. So it's like, how do

783
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: you even do that? Forget about all the raw And

784
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: they said, look, don't overthink it. There's gonna be times

785
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: where whatever your gut reaction is to something you're watching

786
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: is respond to that. If it makes you laugh the

787
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: first time, if it makes you tense the first time,

788
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: if it makes you, you know, have a question and

789
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: lean in like that's valuable because like that's what that's

790
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: what you want other people to do. So you have

791
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: to sort of try and hone that skill as best

792
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: you can. You know, you can't do it for the

793
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: whole world, but how do we gauge it for the

794
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: audience so that you had that reaction first of all

795
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: is awesome to hear for us. But I think we

796
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: kind of have a version or I have a similar

797
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: version of that. It's like if I'm getting tense or

798
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: I'm getting nervous, or even if it's just even if

799
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: it's just There was an old shot where Tom Colflin

800
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: you may have seen it is throwing a water bottle

801
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: into a trash can, and he kept missing, and he

802
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: kept going back and grabbing it and putting, throwing it

803
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: again till he made it. And it's like, I learned

804
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: more about that guy in that fifteen seconds, and I

805
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: was fascinated watching it happen. That's kind of how all

806
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: this is. Like if I'm watching Joe Shane on the

807
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: phone and I'm tense or I'm laughing, or he's talking

808
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: to his kids and their conversation's funny like that probably

809
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 1: like rises up the chart of things that maybe ought

810
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: out to consider putting in the show. So some of

811
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: it's just as simple as you know, responding to your

812
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: own instinct as a viewer and you know, as a

813
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: storyteller to say, if I don't think this is interesting,

814
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: other people probably won't and vice versa.

815
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Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna throw some fan theories at you

816
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: guys now before we do a little preview of what

817
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: you guys have coming in the summer and fall.

818
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Speaker 3: You guys get you.

819
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: Can act you crazy, we want.

820
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 3: I got plenty of crazy for you.

821
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 2: Okay, this is a very basic one, and I guess

822
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: I'll go every other every other question for the two you.

823
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 3: Emily will start with you, sure, have.

824
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 2: You ever or whatever stage a scene to help tell

825
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 2: your story better?

826
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 4: No, it's all Oh my gosh. I mean sometimes you

827
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 4: wish you could, because it would make our jobs a

828
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 4: lot easier on how to cover it, But mostly the

829
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 4: plan is how to cover it and let things unfold.

830
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: Paul, would you ever if the team that you're covering,

831
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: not just the Giants, any Hard Knocks team told you

832
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: to edit something deceptively so it told the story that

833
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: wasn't true, How would you guys react to that?

834
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: No? No, No, that's that that would not be a

835
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: conversation that we would engage in.

836
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: I wouldn't think so. Ownership, this is an interesting one.

837
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: John Mara's my boss. John Mara is one of your

838
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: thirty two bosses. He's like, he's all of our bosses, right,

839
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: What was it? What was it like filming and dealing

840
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: with him? And there is a segment of Giant fans

841
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: that believe that he basically tells Joe Shane what to do,

842
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: Joe Shane disagrees, and you edited around that to make

843
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: it seem why Joshane was actually making the decisions but

844
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: John Marra ultimately just told him what to do.

845
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 3: So just I'll just leave that out there for you

846
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: to come.

847
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 4: I'm a really we're really good editors. I don't know

848
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 4: for that good, but I think that's what struck us

849
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 4: about those those was like, oh, you're like, he he's

850
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 4: not telling him what to do, He's letting him do

851
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 4: his job, and he's kind of engaged in staying on there.

852
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 4: But you know, at the end the day, it's Joe's

853
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 4: decision and I don't think we can edit that another way.

854
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: So what was that the sense with with how mister

855
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: Maher dealt with the front office? Where was keep me informed?

856
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: I'll give you my opinion, but ultimately I'm empowering you,

857
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: Paul or John was empowering Joe Shane to ultimately make

858
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 2: the decision.

859
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think he said those those words

860
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: like that came out of his mouth several times during

861
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: the show, like I have to I have to trust

862
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: my conviction, and my conviction is in the convictions that

863
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: you guys have to make the decisions that you're gonna make.

864
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: And and look, I thought there was something really refreshing

865
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: you already said He's all of our bosses. So I

866
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: don't it sounds how it sounds, But here here was

867
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: a leader in the organization who is super present, but

868
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: not like he never he never felt like more than

869
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: he just wanted to be informed about what was going on,

870
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: and certainly way way in with the experience that he

871
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: had over the years. He told Brandon Brown that great

872
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: story about reflecting on the ELI draft. Also, if you remember,

873
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: that story ended with with ownership at that time leaning

874
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: into what or any of Corse's viewpoint was in that situation.

875
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: So there was sort of this continuity there. No I thought,

876
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: I thought, seeing the inner workings and Demley's point about

877
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: the transparency, just his willingness to be on the show.

878
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: I don't know that every every boss would want to

879
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: be on that show in that situation. But we thought

880
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: it was just another incredible cool layer. And by the way,

881
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: not for nothing else, but like the fact that the

882
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: Giants hundredth season and the history of the organization, and

883
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: an organization with so much history that's part of like

884
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: what's in the walls there and what motivates the work

885
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: that they do every day. It would almost be negligent

886
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: to storytellers if we didn't incorporate some aspect that the

887
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: Maras and Tishes are involved and that they're, you know,

888
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Speaker 1: trying to uphold the standard of everything that came before them.

889
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: I mean that was that was with me. People talk

890
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: about Hard Knocks and like, who's the team? I think

891
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: once we know teams, like there's thirty two of them,

892
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: but they all have thirty There are aspects of the same,

893
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: but there's also thirty two different aspects in each organization,

894
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: in each building, you know. And this was one with

895
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: with the culture and the history of the team that

896
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: we wanted to lean into. Mister Mehra like kind of

897
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: was the embodiment of that throughout the series, and I

898
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: thought it was a great We loved having that. Well,

899
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: I'll speak for myself. I loved having him be part

900
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: of the story because I think it made it more

901
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: real at the end of the day.

902
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Speaker 3: All right, one more question for each you.

903
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Speaker 2: We got two minutes, Emily, I'll let you preview what's

904
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Speaker 2: coming up with Bear's Hard Knocks premiere on next Tuesday.

905
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, you have to get back to

906
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: start editing that. I imagine putting episode one together. You've

907
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 2: been capturing now for probably what ten days or so, maybe.

908
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 4: Two weeks like that.

909
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so tell us what's.

910
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: In the store, give us a nice little tease of

911
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: six time and Caleb Williams Roma dunsay.

912
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: You know, it's a lot of fun stuff going down

913
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 3: there in Chicago.

914
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think super exciting is another franchise. It's seeped

915
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 4: in a lot of history, much like the Giants that

916
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 4: we've never kind of gotten to see behind the curtain. Here,

917
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 4: they have a number one pick and two first round picks,

918
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 4: and a lot of exciting receivers and defensive players as

919
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 4: well as kind of finding those those guys are the

920
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 4: bubble that might be long shots but might make make

921
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 4: the Chicago Bears in the long run. So there's gonna

922
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 4: be a lot of exciting stuff there.

923
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Speaker 2: And then Paul, how about Paul, for the first time,

924
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: you're doing a whole division for in season. What is

925
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: that gonna be like? Or do you not know yet

926
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: what that's gonna be like?

927
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think it's gonna be the your second question. First,

928
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: they'll be very there'll be a it may be somewhat

929
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: like the show we just finished with the Giants in

930
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: terms of we're gonna take a lot of the techniques

931
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: we've used and we lean on and we're gonna build

932
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: upon them because we're gonna do a portion of the

933
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 1: calendar in a way we've never done.

934
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Speaker 2: It before in each building. So are you gonna have

935
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Speaker 2: a crew in each building at all times?

936
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Speaker 1: I think I don't even know if I think all that.

937
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: All those plans are still being still being formalized. But

938
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Speaker 1: the I mean, the fundamental difference you mentioned is like

939
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna follow a whole division and we're gonna really

940
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: be able to hone in on the drama of the

941
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: race too. I mean, I'm not mistaken, right, only there

942
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: were three AFC North teams in the playoffs last year.

943
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great, It's gonna be crazy.

944
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: It's a great division, constants a lot of rivalries, great weather,

945
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: great football weather at that part of the year. So

946
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: I think it'll be again the building on the foundation

947
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: of what the brand in the series has been in

948
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: the past, but kind of redeploying all these techniques to

949
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Speaker 1: bring fans something new.

950
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: And then, finally, personally, for both of you, did you

951
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 2: enjoy going undercover wearing Giants blue astead of your normal

952
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 2: NFL films black when you're going out to all these events,

953
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: everyone recognizes you.

954
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: Guys are like, why are you wearing Giants stuff.

955
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 4: As a Giants fan? Yes?

956
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 3: And are you're a Giants fan?

957
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

958
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 4: Yeah for sure. So yes, I kept all the swag

959
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 4: we went undercover with and we'll be wearing it again

960
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 4: to support the team this fall.

961
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Speaker 3: So let me follow them me.

962
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I know you got it run. Was it

963
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: like as a Giant fan? Was just just like like

964
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 2: the coolest thing for you?

965
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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, it was great. I mean it was I

966
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 4: think like sometimes I actually think in kind of all

967
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 4: of all these shows, it's important to try and remember

968
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 4: what like the fan perspective is. And it was really

969
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 4: easy for me on this one. But yeah, you try

970
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 4: and put your fans like, what were I if I were,

971
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 4: you know, a fan of this of the Bears, what

972
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 4: would I want to see? So it made it a

973
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 4: lot easier for me because it's it's uh, it was

974
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Speaker 4: a little more of a natural. But I think that's

975
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Speaker 4: one of the goals of NFL films too, is just

976
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Speaker 4: you know, a lot of times we're fans and we

977
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Speaker 4: want to put out there what's entertaining to the fans,

978
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Speaker 4: which you know we all are football.

979
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Speaker 2: Then Paul, I'll let you close with final thoughts, anything

980
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 2: you want to say that maybe we haven't talked about,

981
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Speaker 2: or you want to get out there.

982
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Speaker 1: Just thanks, thanks for having us on. Appreciate your support,

983
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: and everybody at the Giants for supporting the project, you know,

984
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: from Nelai Shaw and everybody in marketing, you know, Pat

985
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: Handlin and Dion and p R like, everybody was just

986
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Speaker 1: so helpful with us and supportive of the project, you know,

987
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: which which made it that much more enjoyable. And look,

988
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: we obviously we're we're thrilled to hear uh people watching

989
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: it and responding to it. That's really exciting too. And

990
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Speaker 1: and you know, we hope, we hope Giant fans enjoyed

991
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: as much as we enjoyed making it.

992
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 3: I could say I really enjoyed it. It was great.

993
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Speaker 2: I'll speak for the production Aparliament. It was great to

994
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: help you guys out with whatever you guys needed. You

995
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: got that all important question about the Bachelor from the

996
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: first draft picks when they arrived. We're happy to get

997
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: that for you, not a prom and all that made

998
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: the whole series. But seriously, it was it was great

999
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Speaker 2: having you guys here, we appreciate you doing this really

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Speaker 2: good information. It was really entertaining. Best luck to that year,

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Speaker 2: and thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you to Johns.

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Speaker 2: The podcast brought to you by Citizens, the official Bank

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Speaker 2: of the Giants. For our guests, I'm John Schmelt. We'll

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Speaker 2: see you next time.

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Speaker 3: Everybody,