1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Ron and aian. You know, the customer only has so 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: many depths or levels to their pocketbook. They're going to 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: get to a point where they say, you know what, 4 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: I don't want to do this. I'm just going to 5 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: go buy another car. And people do that, I'm kicking 6 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: what they give him. Cousin working for them, the car doctor, 7 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: I would try taking them off by hand, you know, 8 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 1: because sometimes you just need that steady poll versus the 9 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: bang bang bang of the gun. The bang bang bang 10 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: of the gun is with the store of the lug 11 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: nut in the first place. 12 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: Welcome to the radio home of ron Anian, the Car Doctor. 13 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the 14 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 15 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 16 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: the phone and call in. The garage doors. 17 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: Are opening, but I am here to take your call 18 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: at eight five five five six ninety nine hundred and now. 19 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: Hee, Ronnie, Hey. 20 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to another week of orter repair. Here run another 21 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: car doctor. Thanks for stopping buy. I've been a busy 22 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: week the shop. We did an awful lot of things, 23 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: and I've got an awful lot to talk to you about. 24 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: But we're gonna do something a little different out of 25 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: the gate today and we're going to bring back a 26 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: long time member of the car Doctor family. Haven't talked 27 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: to Jim Donnelly. God, it's got to be I don't 28 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: know if it's five or eight years, maybe longer. He 29 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: wears many titles in the automotive industry. He's with Heming 30 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: Motor News, he's with Crankshaft Magazine, and he's got multiple 31 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: awards and accolades. Is so fittingly he deserves. And he's 32 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: gonna stop by with us today and we're going to 33 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: talk about a recent article he wrote regarding Tucker, Remember Tucker, 34 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: the story of Preston Tucker and his Tucker Automobile. He 35 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: wrote a really great article that when industry awards for it, 36 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: and we're gonna bring him here with us right now. 37 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: Jim Donnelly, Welcome back, sir. It's been a while. 38 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: It's a pleasure beyond words to be back with yourn 39 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 3: and I'm glad to reacquaint it myself with your audience. 40 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure they're going to be glad to have you. 41 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: In about twenty seconds, once we get you going, you 42 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: wrote a recent article. Well, let me ask me, excuse 43 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: me a second, let me do this the right way. 44 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: What was your first car? I always do this with 45 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: every over you automotive guy I ever bring on, I've 46 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: never asked you that question. What was the first car 47 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: that lit your fire real quick in two minutes or less? 48 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not sure let my fire other than when 49 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 3: I twisted the ignition key to engage the ignition. But 50 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 3: my first car was inherited as a hand me down 51 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 3: from my father, and it was the nineteen sixty six 52 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 3: Ford Galaxy five hundred XCEL four door Hardtops. So there 53 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 3: was no center pillar and it was powered by the 54 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,839 Speaker 3: two barrel version. I don't know the code letter, unfortunately, 55 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 3: but it was the two barrel version of the three 56 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 3: point fifty two FEV eight back by a C six 57 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 3: automatic transmission see only. One of the first things I 58 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: learned when I was driving that car was that the 59 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 3: process of getting it around a corner required a lot 60 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 3: of hope and a lot of. 61 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: Imagination. 62 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 3: Imagination certainly, but also a belief in the hereafter and 63 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: that things are just going to work out no matter 64 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: how bad they look. Because the steering wheel in that 65 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 3: car was only vaguely connected to the suspension system. It 66 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 3: was totally devoid of feel. It had a really narrow 67 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: plastic rim on it bisected by a horn rim and 68 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 3: if you tried to put the car and even into 69 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: a moderate turned highway speeds, you could just feel the 70 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 3: vagueness and the constant need for correction as you went by. 71 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: What should not have been a white and a cult 72 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 3: driving experience. 73 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: See, only a car guy would go, would say three 74 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: point fifty one to two barrel C six describe the 75 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: steering wheel, because anybody else would go, I don't know 76 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: how to be eight in it started, but that's what 77 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: makes you who you are, Jim Donnelly. 78 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: Let's know what else it had? Yeah, manual drum brakes. Yeah. 79 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: You know. It's funny. Every once in a while we 80 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: get an older car at the shop and it's got 81 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: you know, we had a fifty six Chrysler Wagon a 82 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,119 Speaker 1: couple of years back, and I had a customer picking 83 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: up her car and she was a short little thing, 84 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: about five foot two, and she looked at that and 85 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: she said, what's that. I said, Well that I said, 86 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty six, that's what you would have been 87 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: driving versus you know, she was driving a Toyota rav four. 88 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: Now I said, this is what you would have driven, 89 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: And I made her sit in the car. Power no 90 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: power steering, so manual steering, manual breaks, crank windows, and 91 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: I said, now look behind you and imagine all the 92 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: kids you have bouncing around the back seats, no seat belts. Right, 93 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: just it's it was a different world, It really was, 94 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, you know, drum brake. 95 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes you appreciate the enormous technological advances that 96 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: have gone into even entry level automobiles in the deck 97 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: since then, and they're still taking place to this day. 98 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 99 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: I remember when rack and pinion steering was only something 100 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 3: I read about in the car magazine, and now thankfully 101 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 3: everybody's got it, and some people were, even some manufacturers 102 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 3: are even as you know, are venturing into electronically controlled steering. 103 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 3: So it's a good time to be a car enthusiast. 104 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: It really is. 105 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 3: Jim. 106 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: Let's talk about Tucker. You wrote an article for Crankshaft Magazine. 107 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: It's won some industry awards talking about there was a 108 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: the only survive Is it the only surviving Tucker? It's 109 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,119 Speaker 1: a soul Tucker forty eight. Tell us a story about 110 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: this car. 111 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: Okay, this story, which is titled Preston's Prodigy, is about 112 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 3: Tucker serial number ten forty four. And before I explained 113 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 3: what that means, I think it's very important to make 114 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 3: it clear for the benefit of the listeners who may 115 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 3: not know it is that Tucker never built a production car, 116 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: never really of all the car, the Tuckers that were 117 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 3: in existence, and I believe there I should know this 118 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: off the top of my head. I believe there are 119 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: fifty one of them. But of all, yes, there were 120 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 3: fifty one, thank you, I guess was correct. But each 121 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 3: and every one of those cars is a pre production prototype, 122 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 3: which means that all of them are different. No two 123 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: Tuckers are the same in every characteristic and every Tucker 124 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 3: prototype had its own set of blueprints. So to recreate 125 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 3: a car, or to restore a car and existing Tucker, 126 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 3: it's potentially a mind yinfield because it's very easy to 127 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: get it wrong, and to do it right requires an 128 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 3: enormous amount of research involving records that are not easily attained, 129 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: and the fact that this particular Tucker is the only 130 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 3: one that was ever restored with the direct participation and 131 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: assistance of the Tucker family makes it unique. This is 132 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: a perfectly restored and certified accurate copy of the Tucker 133 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 3: forty eight. And I'm going to stick my neck out 134 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 3: here because again, there was never a production Tucker made, 135 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 3: but I think that if there was, this is as 136 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: close to what the final product would have looked like 137 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 3: as it's possible to see today. 138 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: What was was this one of the last Tuckers that 139 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: they made towards the end of the assembly line run. 140 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't remember what you said. What was 141 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: the chassis number on this one? 142 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: It's ten forty four, So yes, it is a late car. 143 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,679 Speaker 1: Okay, right, because that would have been the forty fourth 144 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: car he made, correct. 145 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: Right, right? And the car We should also introduce the 146 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 3: listeners to the company it's most responsible for restoring it, 147 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 3: which is I TO Automotive out of Morganville, New Jersey, 148 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 3: a little bit south of you, which is known for exquisite, 149 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: painstaking and beautifully presented constructions from the ground up of 150 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: specialty cars, many of which are shown at the SEMA 151 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 3: Show every year. So I TO Automotive really does a 152 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 3: lot of contract work for the big three in terms 153 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 3: of designing their show prototypes and building them, and the 154 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 3: owner of the Tucker became aware of itis capabilities and 155 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 3: asked them to take on the project, which was unusual 156 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 3: for them because they don't do a lot of automotive restoration. 157 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 3: They're into creating new and very exotic stuff from the 158 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: ground up, so this represented a challenge to them, and 159 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 3: Rob Ida and his team, as the story makes clear, 160 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 3: did some exceptional and highly labor intensive work to return 161 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 3: this card. What you see. 162 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: Today and where's this car shown now, Jim. 163 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 3: It's been shown well. Actually, the story that I wrote 164 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: for Crankshaft makes the point that the restoration was done 165 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 3: on a very very accelerated timeline because Ida Automotive and 166 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 3: the owner, Howard Kroplick, were attempting to complete the car 167 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 3: in time to show it at Pebble Beach, and they 168 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: they were still making final adjustments on the car inside 169 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 3: the trailer as it was being transported to California from 170 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 3: New Jersey, and the final detailing took place in I 171 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 3: believe a hotel lot on the on the Monterey Peninsula. Wow, 172 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 3: just before it was time to put the car in 173 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 3: the field. 174 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: How many how many how many how many Tuckers are left? Jim, 175 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: off the top of your head, DNL they all? They are? 176 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 1: They all accounted for? 177 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 3: I should know that answer, and I don't. But I 178 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: believe that most of them are accounted for. And I 179 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 3: believe one of the ones that's not accounted for is 180 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: the one that was actually raced in NASCAR. There was 181 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 3: actually a dealer backed Tucker racing team, and I've seen 182 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 3: photos of that car racing attracts in Ohio. Wow. I'll 183 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 3: tell you what, Jim, other than that, Yes, I believe 184 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 3: most of them are accounted for, But the problem is 185 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 3: that most of them are not accurate. 186 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: Right right, Jimmy, let's let's pull over, take a pause. 187 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: We're up against the clock state. Stay right where you are, 188 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: mon Aini and the car Doctor or here the Jim Donnelly, 189 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: Hemi's Motor News, donn Leon, Wheels, Crankshaft Magazine, Noted, et cetera. 190 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: He's all over the place. He's our automotive journalist. And 191 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: we'll be back right after this. Don't go away, You'll 192 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: have done. 193 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,599 Speaker 3: What's more fun than listening to Ron and Andy and 194 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: the car doctor and getting that car fixed? Right? 195 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: A five to five, five, six zero nine nine zero zero. 196 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: Give Ron a call. Now back to Ron. Welcome back, listeners, 197 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: RONNINGI and the Car Doctor. We're here today with Jim 198 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: Donnelly of Well Crankshaft Magazine, Heimy's Motor News, and a 199 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: host of other industry magazines, and we're glad to have 200 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: him here with us. We're talking about Tucker, the Tucker 201 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: atom will be Bill and the restoration of Tucker number 202 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: ten forty four. Jim, you're still there. 203 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 3: Sir, yes, I am so. 204 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: Any idea on the length of time it actually took 205 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: to get ten forty four back together. 206 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 3: The timeline Ron was compressed because the car was highly 207 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 3: incorrect when the owner, Howard Kropwick, retired it, and the 208 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 3: reason that the restoration had to take place in as 209 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 3: short a period of time as it did, especially when 210 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 3: you consider how exquisitely well they did it, was that 211 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 3: they had less than a year to get it done. 212 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 3: In fact, I think it was less than eight months, 213 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 3: as my memory serves me, correctly, to get the car 214 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 3: completely restored from a completely incorrect example and to make 215 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 3: the show field at the Pebble Beach Concord Delegns in 216 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 3: California which was presenting a reunion of all the surviving Tuckers. 217 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 3: That is something that Pebble Beach does very well. Those 218 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 3: gatherings attract global attention. I can tell you this because 219 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: I was at the Ferrari Gto reunion that they put 220 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 3: on for Heming's Motor News. And this car required and 221 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 3: the Tucker I should say required a significant amount of 222 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 3: work to try to get it not only presentable and 223 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 3: mechanically sound, but to make it accurate and the accurizing process, 224 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 3: the historical research that was required to make that happen 225 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 3: is to me by far the most fascinating part of 226 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 3: this story where Tucker's. 227 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: Was the Tucker family involved in the restoration of this vehicle. Jim. 228 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 3: Two of Preston Tucker's grandsons named Sean and and Mike, 229 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 3: were involved in the restoration from the outset because the 230 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 3: reason was is because Ida Automotive, at the time that 231 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 3: this project came came over their their doorstep, was already 232 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 3: in the process of creating a a recreated Tucker that 233 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 3: was going to be something of a street rod for 234 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 3: display the Seams Show. So Rob Ida and Ida Automotive, 235 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 3: who was in charge of of of Howard's project already 236 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: knew the the grandsons of Preston Tucker, Sean and Mike Tucker, 237 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 3: both of whom are mechanical engineers, and he recruited them 238 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 3: into the project because of something that they had that 239 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 3: was absolutely vital, and that's access to the original Tucker blueprints, 240 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 3: including the complete set of blueprints that existed for number 241 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 3: ten forty four, and to make it absolutely correct after 242 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 3: an incredible amount of precision metalwork had to take place 243 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: to make the car structurally sound. 244 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: Jim, what do you think happens God forbid ten forty 245 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: four needed a fender or or a major body part. 246 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: Are there body parts out there for something like this 247 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: or is it all hand constructed and pressed? 248 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 3: There's no parts whatsoever. There are none because all these 249 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 3: cars were prototypes. So what you would have to do 250 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 3: is fabricate the part, which Idle Automotive is capable of doing. 251 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 3: But you would have to fabricate the part using traditional 252 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 3: metal working skills based on a design that you would 253 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: obtain from the blueprint. Now that wasn't necessary in the 254 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 3: terms of in terms of Tucker ten forty four, but 255 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 3: what was necessary was for Ida Automotive to go over 256 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 3: the entire car and using hand form sheet metal to 257 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 3: fill in areas that were so deteriorated and so thin 258 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 3: from when they were first built. The sheet metal was 259 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: of such a thin gauge because again the car was 260 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 3: a prototype where rob Ida and his team had to 261 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 3: cut sheet metal to fit and weld it into place, 262 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 3: because before they did it, the body would actually respond 263 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 3: to finger pressure and would pop in and out. Wow, 264 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 3: like bottom of an oil can. Remember the old fashioned oil. 265 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, absolutely, yeah. Hey, Jimmy, listen, we're going to. 266 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 3: Phenomenon is actually called oil can the oil world of 267 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 3: auto body fabrication. So they had to they had to 268 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 3: do that and use the original blueprints. But probably a 269 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 3: better example of what you're talking about ron comes from 270 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 3: where or comes from the case study in which the 271 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 3: car had to have a completely new loose sight dashboard 272 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 3: the cell formed. 273 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: Jimmy, we're gonna have to leave it there, babe, all right, 274 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: you know what, come back in July, finish this up. 275 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: Let's talk about this again in July, and we can 276 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: continue this conversation and I'll give a listeners the way 277 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: we site after we come back from the break. I'm 278 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 1: not a Nami and the Car Doctor. We're back right 279 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: after this and we are back, and once again I 280 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: want to say thank you to Jim Donaldy. It was 281 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: great to talk to Jim right and hear his stories. 282 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: He's he's a fountain of information. We've got a lot 283 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: to look forward to Jimmy as we'll get him back 284 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: in July and future shows, and he can just he's 285 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: an automotive history and we didn't get into the where 286 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: do we get him on the conversation about automotive dirt 287 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: tracks and racing back in the day, because Jim's an 288 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: officionado of that and he can cite, you know, dirt 289 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: track racing from the forties and the fifties and what 290 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: went on and just just volume this information inside that 291 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: man's head. So Crankshaft Magazine is where that article about 292 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 1: Tucker is placed. Now you can get out the Crankshaft 293 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: Magazine dot com and I believe you have to purchase 294 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: a subscription, but regardless, you know, at least you'll know 295 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: where it is. And it's a quarterly magazine. I don't 296 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: know more about it than that, other than to say, 297 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, Crankshaft Magazine dot com. And if Jim Donnelly's 298 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: right in there. I'm sure there's some great articles about 299 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: automotive history and different things like that. So just if 300 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: you're into that, that's where you want to be. I 301 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: want to talk to you about this twenty twenty jeep. 302 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: I mentioned it last week and last week's show you 303 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: might have heard me talking about We had a recent 304 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty jeep Grand Cherokee that the owner had gone away. 305 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: They had gone, you know, to Florida for a couple 306 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: of three four months, and when they came back, the 307 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: battery was dead. Now that's not completely unusual, right, especially 308 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: with a modern vehicle with the amount of electronics that 309 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: are on them, and in a lot of cases it's 310 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: becoming the norm now to use some sort of a 311 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: trickle charger, or if you're parking the vehicle outside, to 312 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: do something like a solar charger. You know, there are 313 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: solar charger kits you can purchase. They plug into the 314 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: OBD two port, you know, the OBD two the diagnostic 315 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: port under the dashboard to the left or the right 316 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: of the steering wheel in that general vicinity, and a 317 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: solar charger is a neat thing because you know, listen, 318 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: it's it's how they keep cars charged at the ports 319 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: and on the dealer lots, you know, on the back 320 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: lots before they bring them up to the front line 321 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: to sell them. If you're somewhere in the country where 322 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: there are vehicles being brought in, or if you ever 323 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: look up at vehicles that are being trucked to, you know, 324 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: the point of delivery to the dealership, you may see 325 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: a little square tablet looking device suction cup to the 326 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: inside of the windshield. That is a solar trickle charger. 327 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: That's what that device does, and it plugs into the 328 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: OBD two port and it keeps the batteries alive because 329 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: you know, the cars do sit a little bit and 330 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: there's a lot of computer draw there's a lot of 331 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: electrical draw with all the computers that are on cars today, 332 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: so you know you want to obviously keep the battery 333 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: up and well maintained. Well, that's what they do. 334 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 3: Now. 335 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: You can purchase those on the outside. I found them 336 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: on Amazon. I've found them at the local autoparts stores. 337 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: You know, read the reviews, see what makes sense. You know, 338 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: it seems that they all seem to put out about 339 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: the same I haven't I can't say that one works 340 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: better in one vehicle than the other. The idea is 341 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: that you're just trying to give the battery a little 342 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: bit of a charge on a daily basis, and it'll 343 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: keep the battery alive and awake until you return home 344 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: or until you use the vehicle again. But regardless this, 345 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: this customer had gone to Florida. They were gone three 346 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: four months, like I said, and when they got back there, 347 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: jeep had a stone dead battery. Now the weird part 348 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: and we haven't we don't know if this is still 349 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: going to come back to bite us somehow. But the 350 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: son in law had been starting the vehicle, you know, 351 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: every couple of weeks, and he had started the vehicle 352 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: about a week and a half prior to them coming back, 353 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: and it started up. He didn't drive it, but he 354 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: started it up, and you know that was that it. 355 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 3: You know. 356 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: He shut it off in the driveway and parked it 357 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: and left the keys in the house and went on 358 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: his way. They came home ten days later and the 359 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: batteries dead. Did he leave something on I don't. I 360 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: don't know that answer. I didn't. I wasn't there when 361 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: they you know, when they got home, I was there 362 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: at the shop when it got jump started and driven down, 363 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: so you know, I know from that side of it. 364 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: But I've got to diagnose the car in front of me, right, 365 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: like I always say, the problem with the vehicle is 366 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: that the radio display wasn't working. The radio was out, 367 00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: and they could control heat, and they see through the 368 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: manual knobs all right, because they give you a choice 369 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: of either touchscreen or regular manual knobs with tactile feel, 370 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: and they could work it there, but they couldn't get 371 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: anything else to happen. So what went wrong was their question. 372 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: And this is not a high mileage vehicle. This was 373 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: a seventy nine hundred mile vehicle. So I got into it. 374 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: Where do you begin? You begin at the beginning. You 375 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: diagnosed like you're gonna diagnose. And I sat down and 376 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: I pulled codes, and I had a slew of vehicle 377 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: codes low voltage communication showing me that the network had 378 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: gone down, the computer network inside the vehicle had dropped 379 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: and became next to nothing. And then all of a 380 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: sudden disappeared and everything came back up. And when I 381 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: cleared all the fault codes out of it, everything worked, 382 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: All the modules made a connection. Except there's always an 383 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: except when you hear me talking like that, except the radio. 384 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: The radio was not online. I could see it plain 385 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: as day. Just like I would go out to access 386 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: an engine controller or a trans mission controller or any 387 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: other computer on the vehicle, I couldn't talk to the radio. 388 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: It just didn't exist on the network. The computer was down. 389 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: No other way to say it. So where do you go? Well, 390 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: you don't have to get crazy. You got to go 391 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: with basics, right, power and ground? Do you have power? Now? 392 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: Where do you think Chrysler puts the fuse or the 393 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: radio on a twenty twenty jeep Grand Cherokee. You know 394 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: they've got they've got two fuse boxes on the vehicle, 395 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: one under the hood, one under the dash. Now you 396 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: would think there's room there somewhere, but no, they end 397 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: up putting the fuse for the radio on this little 398 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: cheesy and that's the word for it, cheesy meaning cheap 399 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: inline fuse holder. You know what you would go down 400 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: to the auto port store and buy when you wanted 401 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: to put an extra fuse in a vehicle, Just an 402 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: you know, encapsulated rubber with a snapcap type fuse holder. 403 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 1: I was floored I can't leave Chrystler would do this, like, 404 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: where's the logic? Was this an add on afterthought? Probably was? 405 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: And the really funny part was they tied the radio 406 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: fuse into the auxiliary battery fuse because this vehicle had 407 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: start stopped. They didn't put it on the main battery 408 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: for some reason, so they provided main battery fuse. I'm sorry, 409 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: main radio fuse off the auxiliary battery. Guess where the 410 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: auxiliary battery is under the passenger side front seat. So 411 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: we had to take the passenger side front seat, shove 412 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: it all the way forward, bring it all the way up, 413 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: take the cover off, which was, as Danny said, a 414 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: pull harder. You know, you have to take the cover 415 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: and pull harder to get it off because it kind 416 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: of snaps in place really well with this high quality plastic, 417 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: and you know, sure enough, Yeah, there's the auxiliary battery. 418 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,719 Speaker 1: There's the auxiliary battery. I'm sorry, there's the main battery. 419 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: Auxiliary and main. Well, you can't really get to anything. 420 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: You have to take the auxiliary battery out. 421 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 3: You can. 422 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: You can see the red wire and it come around 423 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: off the positive cable and it comes around the back 424 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: of the battery. Compartment and it feeds over to the 425 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: right side where it's going to disappear in this GRAMT. 426 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: But where that auxiliary fuse is. It was just it 427 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: was buried under a mass of electrical tape and plastic 428 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: condo it and you know, it was just stuffed in there. 429 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: It was horrible. Got the battery, got the auxiliary battery out, 430 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: and I tested the auxiliary battery because I have seen 431 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: where the auxiliary battery goes dead and because it powers 432 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: up the radio, it will pull the radio down and 433 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: create an issue. And now the auxiliary battery was okay. 434 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: It had twelve and a half vaults in it. So 435 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: I pulled the auxiliary black battery out and I was 436 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: able to move some of the harness around and I 437 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: found in a blue it was blue in color, red 438 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: wire coming in, orange wire going out, if I remember 439 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: it correctly, with a twenty A fuse in it for 440 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: the radio. And the fuse was good. Okay, So now 441 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: I put it back together, and I said to myself, 442 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: you know, I've got it disconnected. What if the radio 443 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: is locked up? This seems to be a very common 444 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: Chrysler thing. I have to say that we seem to 445 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: fix more Chryslers by this thought process than a lot 446 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 1: of the vehicles that we see on a regular basis. 447 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: But I said, what if this module, this radio was 448 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: locked up. I said, let me touch the negative and 449 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: the positive cables together. I disconnected the main battery first, obviously, 450 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: but I wanted to bleed down everything on that. And 451 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: I bled down everything on the main battery and just 452 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: let the vehicle sit there, put the vehicle back together, 453 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: put all the batteries back in, connected everything, hooked everything 454 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: back up, and sure enough, the radio came up. The 455 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: radio was working. So what went wrong? You know, sometimes 456 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: you don't know. Sometimes you don't have the answers. You know, 457 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: you fixed it. You know that the radio was locked up. 458 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: You know, as I said to the customer, it could 459 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: have been a couple of things. There is the possibility 460 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: that the radio was seeing low voltage for whatever reason 461 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: and it just went into a lockdown state, It went 462 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: into sleep mode, and it got caught in between. Possibly 463 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: at the same time, the vehicle is trying to do 464 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: an over the air update, because Chrysler will do over 465 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: the air updates with their vehicles and try to you know, 466 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: update modules, and maybe it was caught in the middle 467 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: low voltage and it just locked it up that way. 468 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: You know, That's that's one possibility. The other is that 469 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: perhaps the radio was left on by the son in 470 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: law and as the radio timed out, as the vehicle 471 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: went into sleep mode, that the radio that the voltage 472 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: in the battery was just low enough that it pulled 473 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: it down and it caught it and it just it 474 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: just jammed it up. You know, it's the same thing. 475 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: You got to realize you're dealing with computers. It's the 476 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: same thing as when you get when you get the 477 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: cable box gets locked up that you can't record it, 478 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: the cable box gets frozen and the picture on the 479 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: screen doesn't change, or that computer that you're using on 480 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: your desktop gets locked up and you have to do 481 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: a reboot. So in the end, doing the reboot fixed 482 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: jeep and it's down the road. It's working, Customers happy, 483 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: it's back, it's alive. And I tell you this because 484 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: there are times, you know, we've talked in the past, 485 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: you and I and I said, yeah, you don't want 486 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: to start disconnecting batteries. But you know what, I had 487 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: my codes, I looked at all the data, I wanted. 488 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: I recorded everything, I wrote down what I needed to 489 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: write down. I stored everything that I needed to store. 490 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: I cleared codes, and yeah, then it is okay at 491 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: times to pull battery cables and bleed a vehicle down 492 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,959 Speaker 1: just to see if you can re educate it and 493 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: get it to start working again and make it smarter. 494 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: Maybe that's the way to explain it. But in any event, 495 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: it was just a just a good story, just you know, 496 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: not something you would expect. And if you ever faced 497 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: with that, you may want to consider treating it that way. 498 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: Go through your diagnostic steps. But maybe a module reset 499 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: we'll call it, will help get you back on the 500 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: road like I did this jeep eight five five five 501 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: six zero nine nine zero zero. I'm on an aiding 502 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: in the car, doctor, and I'm back right after this. 503 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: Don't go away. 504 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 2: I came the first resisting. 505 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: Out the fave and. 506 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 3: It's in the fingers. 507 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: Was the summer of sixteen. Hey, welcome back, Ron named 508 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: the card doctor. Quick piece of email, Nick from Australia. 509 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: I like hearing from Nick Nicks one. Hi, Ron and Tom, 510 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: hope you're both well. Nick from Alphington, Melbourne, Australia. Again wall. 511 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: That's a whole sentence of address there. I was watching 512 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: a news report about a mas To c X nine 513 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: that was hit by lightning recently and it caught fire. 514 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: The engine bay was in flames, and I've assumed that 515 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: the battery exploded. It got me to thinking about what 516 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: might happen if the same happened to an EV, given 517 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: the size of its batteries. Is it known that could happen? 518 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: Could it be one very big bang with all that 519 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: current flowing through It might be a question for the 520 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: EV experts out there. As I've noticed, you've mentioned the 521 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: drama and putting them out when they've caught fire. Them 522 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: not an anti EV person, by the way, quite the opposite. 523 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: They're damn fast. Best regards, Nick from Australia, from down Under. 524 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: You know, Nick, you make a good point. I don't know, 525 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not listen I'm believing or not. 526 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: I'm really not anti EV either. I consider myself not 527 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: anti EV. I'm just trying to look for practical answers 528 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: and you know, trying to find the truth on what's 529 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: really going to work and what's not. So you know, 530 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: when I read things like this, it's not to be 531 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: disparaging about electric vehicles. It's to ask the questions, right, 532 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: that's our job. That's what we're supposed to do. I 533 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: don't know, and it makes you wonder. You know, there's 534 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: some things about EV's that make you scratch your head 535 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: and say, you know, is that more dangerous? There's a 536 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, there's a story that well I think you 537 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: heard me talk about it in the previous hour where 538 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: I talked about the things you should stop doing with 539 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: your tesla immediately because of things that we do well, 540 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: they're wrong. You know, we slam the hood, we use 541 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: the wrong kind of material to clean the seats, because 542 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: electric vehicles are a very different animal compared to what 543 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: we're used to with, you know, internal combustion engine vehicles. 544 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,239 Speaker 1: So you know, you know, Nick, you you make a 545 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: great point. I've got to think that the experts have 546 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: thought about it. But I will take note, and I 547 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: will I will ask the next one or two that 548 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: we run into. As you know, we plan on putting 549 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: some more up here on the show. And I appreciate 550 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: the question. You know, keep them coming, folks, because that's 551 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: what you know, that's what this is all about. That's 552 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: what we're here for and you know, I wonder what 553 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: the development is, Nick, if you're out there listening, you 554 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: know what the percentage of evs in Australia is. You know, 555 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: are they adopting the vehicles as heartily so to speak 556 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: as the United States? I wonder if you know the 557 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: electrical the ability to charge them electrically, obviously, if they're 558 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: going to have the power, if they're going to have 559 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: the charging stations, and you know what's being done, then 560 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: again they might have less legislation and less less red 561 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: tape than the United States. And maybe they can get 562 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,959 Speaker 1: a tone faster or so. But if you get this 563 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: and you're so and Cline, won't you shoot us an 564 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: email and just describe the EV situation down Australia way 565 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: and how well are they attacking it and making it work? 566 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: And you know, what's the EV future of Australia. It's 567 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: an interesting thought to have. So anyway, let's pull over, 568 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: take a pause. I'm running Ny and the car Doctor 569 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,719 Speaker 1: here at eight five five five six zero nine nine 570 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,719 Speaker 1: zero zero. And I should point out that number is 571 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: as I always tell you, that number is twenty four 572 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: seven eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. 573 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: You can call it, leave a message anytime, day or night. 574 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: We're on the year Saturdays two to four pm East 575 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: Coast time here in the continental the United States. But 576 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: you can call that eight five five five six zero 577 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: nine nine zero zero phone number, leave a message, and 578 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: we will call you back and put you in the 579 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: next live broadcast. And we want you to get up 580 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: here and be on the live broadcast because live broadcasts 581 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,719 Speaker 1: help everybody. So don't go away. I'll be back right 582 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: after this. Why this car is automatic, it's systematic, it's dramatic. 583 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: What's breezed lightning? We are back and gee, what a 584 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: crazy hour. 585 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 3: Right. 586 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: We started off talking about Tucker, a car that was 587 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: made in the late forties, and we worked our way 588 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 1: up into electric vehicles and everything in between. It shows 589 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: you the variety and the amount of complexity that the automobile, 590 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: that method of transportation has. It's just crazy. I think 591 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: I want to leave you this hour by saying, obviously, 592 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: I want to say thank you to Jim Donnelly and 593 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: everybody the contributed to the show this week. I want 594 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: to thank Tom Ray for helping produce it as he 595 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: always does. Tom is the best in the business. I'm 596 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: blessed to have that. And I just want to remind 597 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: all of you that even as cars get more complex, 598 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, we still saw basics right that twenty twenty 599 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: jeep Grand Cherokee with the locked up radio. It still 600 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: comes back to basic diagnostics. And that's the important thing 601 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: to remember that no matter how complex the problem, no 602 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,879 Speaker 1: matter how what degree of difficulty, it still comes back 603 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: to you've got to work the problem one step at 604 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: a time. If there's fifteen steps, you gotta go one 605 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: through fifteen. Don't hopscotch and jump further ahead than you 606 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: need to. Make sure you have your information written down. 607 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,399 Speaker 1: Make sure you're doing your research. Look at bulletins, look 608 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: for recalls, look for service campaigns, look for your information 609 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: before you get too far into it. With that said, 610 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: I just want to remind you I'm on an ady 611 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: in the car doctor, and I'm reminding each and every 612 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: one of you good mechanics aren't expensive. They're priceless. See