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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode three seventeen

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Speaker 1: to in the show, we are finally recapping our epic

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Speaker 1: back country canoe in white tail hunt in the Boundary

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Speaker 1: Waters Canoe Area wilderness of Northern Minnesota. All right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by

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Speaker 1: on X. Today we're throwing it back to late October

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Speaker 1: and the story of my back country big woods canoe

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Speaker 1: in whitetail hunt in an incredible swath of land called

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Speaker 1: the Boundary Waters. Now, this is a stretch of one

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Speaker 1: point one million acres of public land. We're talking rocky ridges,

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Speaker 1: thick woods, crystal clear lakes and rivers that is designated

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Speaker 1: as a wilderness area, meaning there's no development here at all,

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Speaker 1: no roads, no motorized vehicles allowed, no nothing, just you,

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Speaker 1: the wilderness, the water, and the critters. That's the kind

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Speaker 1: of white tail hunt I wanted to try to have

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Speaker 1: this year and finally I did it, and wow, was

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Speaker 1: it a hell of an experience. So today we've got

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Speaker 1: the recap of that hunt with myself and my three

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Speaker 1: hunting buddies that joined me for this trip. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna hear that whole story, and then we have a

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Speaker 1: second part to this podcast too, And the reason we're

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Speaker 1: having that is because I was originally intrigued by this area,

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Speaker 1: the Boundary Waters, because of a whole big controversy that's

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Speaker 1: been brewing around it over the past few years. There

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Speaker 1: is this series of very risky sulfide or copper minds

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Speaker 1: that have been proposed to be put in right on

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Speaker 1: the edge of the wilderness area, this very watery landscape,

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Speaker 1: and it's going to present a really really serious thread

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Speaker 1: of pollution that could damage that watershed and could threaten

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Speaker 1: the wild life and the water that so many people

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Speaker 1: have come to love. So I've heard about all this,

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Speaker 1: but I wanted to see it for myself. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to understand what was up for grabs here and then

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Speaker 1: see if we could learn a little bit more about

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Speaker 1: what we can do to help protect this place. So

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Speaker 1: after you hear about our hunt, we're gonna be joined

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Speaker 1: by Lucas Leaf. He is the executive director for Sportsman

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Speaker 1: for the Boundary Waters and He's going to help us,

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Speaker 1: you know, learn a little bit more about this controversy

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Speaker 1: and what we as hunters and anglers can do to

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Speaker 1: help keep this place intact and healthy. And trust me

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Speaker 1: on this one is a place worth seeing and saving.

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Speaker 1: So without further ado, let's take one quick break and

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Speaker 1: then we'll get right into the story of our wild

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Speaker 1: and challenging boundary waters White Tail Adventure. Do you feel

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Speaker 1: at all ostracized because you were the new person that's

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Speaker 1: part of the group. What's ostracized? Oh? Here we go,

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Speaker 1: here it is, it starts, it begins. That was this

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Speaker 1: guy in the podcast once I think you all were there.

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Speaker 1: Ostracized means like you feel left out or shunned or disrespected. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I don't feel ostracized. Good. Well, then introduce yourself. My

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Speaker 1: name is Charlie Williams Um from Michigan. I met Mark

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Speaker 1: last fall to take pictures of the Buckey shot called

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Speaker 1: Frank and I work at General Motors. The last six weeks,

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Speaker 1: I've been traveling around the West. Been in Bozeman, Montana

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Speaker 1: elk hunts, a mountain, goat hunt, antelope hunt, quail hunt,

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Speaker 1: want to just finish our quick introductions before we get

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Speaker 1: into that, because your your journey into the feral state

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Speaker 1: I'm from Michigan to uh, friend of Mark's. We've been

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Speaker 1: Once every ten years. Last we've got a new character.

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Speaker 1: You guys have not heard from him before. You might

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Speaker 1: stars a freudy to slip. Charlie showed us a great

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Speaker 1: us the story of how you patterned that deer. We're

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Speaker 1: were seven years old. Yeah. Um, I've been hunting this

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Speaker 1: buck all bow season and there was just these two

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Speaker 1: For those that are not familiar, there's like the generic wilderness,

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Speaker 1: a brief recap of how you went about trying to

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Speaker 1: but I was still optimistic at that point, like him,

429
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: they're here, and didn't have any idea what I was

430
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: walking into. And then I did some scouting around and

431
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: saw some more deer sign But when you said, dear son,

432
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: what we're seeing, Um, I found a couple of beds

433
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: on top of the top of that ridge, and I

434
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 1: think that's the deer that I probably kicked up. Oh

435
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 1: my god. I got sat down and uh, I had

436
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,239
Speaker 1: a couple of red squirrels come running chasing each other,

437
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: and I thought it was dear and I got pretty

438
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 1: excited for a minute there. I had my heart pumping.

439
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: And then were you knocked? Knocked? Oh? Yeah, I was ready.

440
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: That was the pretty much the first morning. And then

441
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 1: I made my way back down. Well, was that the

442
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: morning that I did you get a grouse? I shot

443
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: at one, I launched. I took some feathers off of

444
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: a grouse with my bow and launched an arrow into

445
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: the I don't know. So we're gonna swing back around

446
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 1: and look for it. I think that you lost a

447
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: few arrows. Yeah. Um, So let's describe the terrain. I guess.

448
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 1: So we just said that there's all these lakes and rivers.

449
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 1: There's hundreds and hundreds of these lakes and rivers and everything.

450
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: But then in between all that is this big northern

451
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: woods like I think this would be called a boreal

452
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,959
Speaker 1: forest maybe, or no, that might be I don't know.

453
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna backtrack on that north woods big woods forest.

454
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 1: And then this Canadian shield rocky kind of surface. You've

455
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: got these big rocky ridges, big rocky points judging out

456
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: into the lakes. Everything's rocky. Um quite a bit of topography.

457
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: I mean, lots of ups and downs, um, rugged stuff.

458
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: When the visibility is very very closely, I can't shoot

459
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: a bow more than fifteen or twenty yards. There's very

460
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: few places you could shoot past twenty. A lot of

461
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,479
Speaker 1: places we were setting up for the ten yard shots.

462
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: So that first morning you came back though, like we had,

463
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: we did still sleep in. You came back, it was lumped.

464
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: There's deer there. Sign I spooked a couple. It's game on, um.

465
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: And then also you've seen some grouse and you saw

466
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: two gros to grouse like ten yards from the tent. Right.

467
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: So we got all set up midday then and did

468
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: some fishing. And I think we caught fish on the

469
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: first day, right, and cofish and cootfish. The true boys.

470
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: First fish was your big pike. It wasn't huge, but

471
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: it was right in the wheelhouse because it was it

472
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 1: over thirty We couldn't keep just under that probably or

473
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: something like that. Nice one though, um, and what I mean,

474
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: let's summarize the fishing. We fished that lake. You fished

475
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: four town lake, We fished the other lake. We fished

476
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: another one farther to the north and east, and three

477
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: or four along the way. How many fish did we catch?

478
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: I think a grand total of what did How many

479
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: did you catch? I see where this is going. I

480
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: caught four. I caught two mark cuts. I might be

481
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,959
Speaker 1: the only person that has ever gone to the boundary

482
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: waters and not not caught a single fish. The closest

483
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: I came was a nice big pike followed my stick

484
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: bait right to the bottom of the boat. You see,

485
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: I did do it, didn't take. He's a big sucker

486
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 1: market as uson like a little kitty pole too. That's right.

487
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: That was a good, good part of the trip that

488
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: we I thought I'd buy a little pack rod on

489
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: the way up, and then everywhere the place we didn't

490
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: have good pack rods. I don't I don't know if

491
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to backtrack, but can we go into uh,

492
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: why you bought a rod on the way and you

493
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: didn't buy one earlier just because I didn't prepare? Well?

494
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: Why though there's no why did you not have a rod?

495
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, spinning rod? Because I want to fly

496
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: fish is what we're talking about. Here we go, Yes,

497
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: so I did, and I did want to fly like

498
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: I thought, if we're going up here, you gotta try

499
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: fly fishing. But then Andy says, well, the research I

500
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: did said that's not gonna be very good right now.

501
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: So just like a day before the trip, I called

502
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of shops around here trying to get the

503
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: scoop and talk to a guy who takes fly fishing

504
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: pretty seriously, said no, you can. You just gotta find

505
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: like green grass. Still, you can find some spots where

506
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: there's still some green, weedy grass, rip some streamers over

507
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: top of them with an eight way and you can

508
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: still do it. So I almost bought a brand new

509
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: eight way because my fly rods are all five ways,

510
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: but Andy luckily had one, so brought all that. But

511
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: then I also thought, well, you know it might not work.

512
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: Better get a spinning a new spinning set up to

513
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: me and Josh were high five and every time he

514
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: let's talking about fly fish, and that's part of why

515
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: he like, let's look at this guy. So yeah, I

516
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: bought a new crappy little pack rod, and on the

517
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: first day the tip broke just casting, not even doing

518
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: anything crazy, the tip the last six inches broke off.

519
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: So that was probably the only reason why I didn't

520
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: catch fish, if I'll be honest about it, if I

521
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: had I work, and and then after that he went

522
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: to fly fishing and he caught Well. If the thing

523
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: is though, that was kind of a lousy rod too.

524
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: I feel like if you had taken better care of it,

525
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: I probably would have cast him fish. Yeah, that's a

526
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: good point, I think, yeah, that's behind that. I'm glad

527
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: we're on the same page there. But fishing, we did

528
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: not catch the money fish. We tried all sorts of things.

529
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: We tried for pike, We tried for walleye, tray, for Smalley's,

530
00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: trolled cast, crank baits, stick baits, suspend ending floating crawlers,

531
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: leeches close to shore, far from shore, off the points

532
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: in the inlets. Nothing was pretty valiant effort. I think

533
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: it was a valiant effort. But we talked to some

534
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: other people and they all had similar experiences. So it

535
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: seems like things were just slow right now. I don't

536
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: exactly know why, but it sounds like it's not. It's

537
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: definitely not like this all the time. From everything I've heard.

538
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: It can be really incredible, it can be amazing fishing.

539
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: That this wasn't happening before us um fishing was not happening.

540
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: Grouse hunting was decent. I went out that next day

541
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: on a morning hunt and saw two grouse. Uh, Josh,

542
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: didn't you see a grouse that same morning? I saw

543
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: grouse almost every time I went out. Now, the issue

544
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: is that you and I didn't get a small game licensees.

545
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: We didn't have a shotgun or anything. In retrospect, we

546
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: should have had shotgun, should have had small game licenses.

547
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: I tried to tell them you did, but what wouldn't

548
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: be what we're gonna do. We're gonna take turns with

549
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: that shotgun, or you could have at least shot him

550
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: with your bows still fighting. It isn't he Josh Trash knows.

551
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: Next time, Next time, next time, we'll have our own

552
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: little but packable shotguns. If you want to get right

553
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: into it, just let's just do it now. Yeah, So

554
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: anybody that knows me knows that this is the most

555
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: Andy Radley thing ever. Go ahead, We're gonna think you'll

556
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: be more. So. We know one who is in eloquent,

557
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: sorry for We're we're gonna go out and try to

558
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: shoot some grouse because Andy had seen some that morning.

559
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: So and he's like, all, yeah, I gotta find my shells.

560
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: So he starts digging through his bag and he's got

561
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: ships sprewn all over the place, strewn all everywhere. We've

562
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: been there for less than twelve hours, and this is

563
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: just how it is. Andy. He'll he'll pull a packet

564
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: two in one pocket, and then I'll pick getting. You know,

565
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: he's he brought a tool bag with him to bag.

566
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: That's what my food goes. I mean, you just don't

567
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: know what you're to get. But he tore his whole

568
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: thing apart, cannot find the shells. So he says, you

569
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: know what, dang it, I'm paddling all the way out

570
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: of here. He packed his stuff up, paddled all the

571
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: way back out, and then drove all the way back

572
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: to the nearest town, bought new shells, came all the

573
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: way five dollars for a box of four ten shells.

574
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 1: That's very crazy. Came all the way back, paddled all

575
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: the way back, got to camp, fiddling around, looks at

576
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: his backpack, into the pocket. Here's my shells. After all that,

577
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: And I told you guys, I didn't have to tell

578
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: anybody that I found him. I could have left him

579
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: in there and just been like, man, I wish I

580
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't forgot the shelves. But I'm not that guy. So

581
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: you did come out with it. That was good because

582
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: we got a good laugh out of that. God, we

583
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: laughed a lot. We laughed at the stomach hurt you,

584
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: you especially because you weren't You weren't prepared for it.

585
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: Like we we've been in this situation before, the three

586
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: of us, we've hunted and done a lot of stuff together,

587
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: so we know what it's going to entail. But you

588
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: had no idea coming into this what the situation was

589
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: going to be. And every nights I would just be

590
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:05,239
Speaker 1: like dying chuckling, chuckles, shock as a chucker. What did

591
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: you rewinding the tape even further? What did you think about,

592
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: like just being thrust in this situation with three random

593
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: dudes because we'd only met once. I didn't know these guys.

594
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: Were you nervous about that? What if we were complete jerks?

595
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: I would I'm pretty good at like just getting along

596
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: with people, feeling out the situation we were jerks. It's

597
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: kind of like backpedal to no, No, he won't make kind.

598
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: When you get home and see your girlfriends, the first

599
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: thing you're gonna say, three real douche bags, like just

600
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: one douche bag, and the rest of us were cool.

601
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: Mark and Andy were real nice. Yeah, yeah, you know

602
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: what I meant by that murder? No, it was great,

603
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: um going into it. I mean I've kind of just

604
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: been drifting around for the month prior, so kind of transient. Yeah,

605
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: not more feral, but no one knows what we're talking about.

606
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: The hardest. The hardest part of it always like just

607
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: going from personality to personnel. But I felt like this

608
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: was a pretty good fitting groups. We thought so too.

609
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: Um so let's talk about the grouse pounding. Yeah, so

610
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: we would do this whole grouse pound idea, which because

611
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: there's only one person with a shotgun, we'd have Andy

612
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: walk in the middle and then the other three of

613
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: us would walk in a line on either side like

614
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: bird dogs trying to sniff him up. And why don't

615
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 1: date two. We tried this, and we sniffed up one

616
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: for you, but you were the one who spot Actually

617
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: I spot it. I said here's one, and I said

618
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna you know, got the gun ready and shot it.

619
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: And I think Josh climbed a tree. You gotta tell me,

620
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: let me know. That wasn't fair. I didn't. I thought

621
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: you did here, But then that wasn't the only Another

622
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: time he's sitting on the rocks and and he thought

623
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: he saw a bird right we shot the gun right

624
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: over Josh's head. Scared the snot out of him. That

625
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: time too. Um, he got all the time that Josh

626
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: want to get his picture taken and you threw a

627
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: rock right behind him and he crapped his door. Was again. Yeah,

628
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: it was a lot of gags. I feel like, gosh,

629
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: you talk about all of them. It makes me think

630
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not that much fun. It's fun for me.

631
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: But thanks I get for putting a lot of legwork

632
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: into playing this trip getting ragged down. If we more

633
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: fish or deer, I think I might not have been

634
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: so hard. Yeah, I think it's easy. We know who

635
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 1: to blame for this one. Yeah, but we did kill

636
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: another grouse and then you kill another grouse at a

637
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: later date to while you're at hunting. So you killed

638
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: three grouse three yeah, um, and caught a few fish.

639
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: So day two we also had a pretty epic shore

640
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: lunch because when you guys wanted to get more shells,

641
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: you picked up some potatoes, onions, and peppers. Yeah so

642
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: so yeah, we sliced up the onions and peppers from ptatoes. Yes,

643
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: you're deficiencies sometimes help us out. And we flayed up

644
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: the pike and sliced up the grouse breast and did

645
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: a pretty epic fry up and we had no plates though,

646
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: so after we fried everything up, we just poured it

647
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: out on these boulders that we were sitting on and

648
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: just ate fresh fried grouse and fish and potatoes and

649
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: onions with their fingers. Right after the rocks in larging

650
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: out over the lake. Yeah, cried up and large. That

651
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: was about one of the very best meals. Are fantastic.

652
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that made the trip. I've eaten grouse before,

653
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: but I just I don't know, it just wasn't as

654
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: good as this time. I don't know why that is.

655
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: It was excellent. Maybe it was simply because it was

656
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: so cherished, because it was the only protein we were requiring.

657
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: But it was fantastic. Um. So that's our grouse hunting covered.

658
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: Fishing and grouse hunting pretty quickly. Unfortunately a lot each

659
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: one of our categories here could be covered quick quickly.

660
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: And then the deer hunting and stuff. Talk about deer hunting. Uh,

661
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: so Andy had your encounter the first morning where we

662
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: heard a deer um. The next morning, then know that

663
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: night Charlie and I went out and we found two

664
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: fresh rubs and two fresh scrapes, and you guys saw

665
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: some sign and Basically, as we discussed, there's all these

666
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: big rocky ridges coming out, and then there's pine trees,

667
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: birch trees, balsam, and some scrubby oaks, some kind of

668
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: red oak, and so I originally thought, all right, one

669
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: of the reasons why this area looks so enticing as

670
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 1: that we heard there's these oak ridges. We assume there'll

671
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: be a lot of deer feeding on these acorns. We

672
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: first started contraversing along the points, and we did see

673
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: some sign right up by camp, but ultimately all the

674
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: sign we found was right there next to camp. It

675
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: was I think we found four scrapes total, five rubs total,

676
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: and tracks and droppings, all of it within like a

677
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards camp, and then everywhere else we

678
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: walked and went nothing, not much going on. Nothing. I mean,

679
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: the first night me and Charlie did a two and

680
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: a half mile circuit. So basically my thought process coming

681
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: into this was I'm gonna walking scouting a scout and

682
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: scouting scout until I find something really worth hunting. I'm

683
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: not just gonna set up randomly and just sit because

684
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 1: it's like the first place to get to. We're gonna

685
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 1: walk and find the stuff. So kind of still hunted

686
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: our way through work in a series of benches and ridges,

687
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: trying to find oaks. And I assume once you found

688
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: the oaks, you'd find a loud of dear son. That

689
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: did not end up being the case. So we did

690
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: two and a half mile circuit the first night. Another

691
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: night we did just under two mile circuit going in

692
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: a different direction. Another night we had a different set

693
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: of circumstances, which we can talk about the jackfish and

694
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: night um. And then last night another kind of long

695
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: circuit down into an interesting area. But I mean, did

696
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: you guys have any different experience other than that We're

697
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: still hunting our way into these areas looking for sign,

698
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: not finding anything, and then almost always just hunting. At

699
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: least in many cases for me, it was hunting a

700
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: terrain feature. All right, that's there's no sign, So maybe

701
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: this bench along the ridge or this saddle in the

702
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: ridge in a trail and hope something came by. It

703
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: was for me it was more like where can I shoot?

704
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: Because most of this there wasn't a lot of deer

705
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: sign anyway, So if I can shoot five yards and

706
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: there's no deer sign, or might not sit where I

707
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: can shoot forty yards and there's no dear sign. So

708
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I did. I felt optimistic though,

709
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: Like there was a lot of times where I sat

710
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: there it was easy to hang on your bow thinking

711
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: it could happen any minute. After a week of that,

712
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: I don't understand why I was so, but it's a

713
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: good attitude. I had a good attitude I had. I

714
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: think my cheek was good. She was good. He definitely

715
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: balanced it when we got on that log. So so

716
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: we we didn't have very much luck. Though we're three

717
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: corps of the way through the trip. We still had

718
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 1: not killed a deer. I still hadn't caught a fish,

719
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: and he decided that our ch was a little bit off,

720
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: and there was a huge We all agreed, though she

721
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: was I don't think we may we may not agreed

722
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: on how to you know, correct it. For some reason,

723
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: one of us thought that the way to correct it

724
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: would be to try to climb on top of deadhead

725
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: sticking out of the lake. Right, Why, like, how did

726
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: that come to be the solution? Desperate? Yeah, desperate times,

727
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: you know that's what I and I thought. You know, man,

728
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: this is a desperate measure. But if I can get

729
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: on top of that log and do like the crane

730
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: kick from the Crowdy Kid, I thought that that may

731
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: would change it, all right. I wish at any point

732
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: it was going to change anyway. And I thought, if

733
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: I just get out and do this, then it's gonna

734
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: change on its own. It's just gonna happen anyway. Or

735
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: rally the troops and you guys are gonna be like, yeah,

736
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: you're vibrating on a good level all the same, and

737
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 1: then it's gonna happen. I wish you could have seen

738
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: Josh when you're trying to do that. He was having

739
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: a heart He had his hand over on his chest

740
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: like like a nine year old lady. Literally, I can't

741
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: look at this. Look at this. He was clutching Mark's

742
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: shoulder and holding his chest, going, oh lord, A tear

743
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: might have trickled down his cheek. When I got back

744
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 1: in the boat, he would like the gear you guys

745
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: had any canues? No, I mean at the bottom of

746
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: the lake, I dismounted it was pretty smooth. I didn't.

747
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wasn't able to do the karate kid thing.

748
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: I was sitting in the front. Yea, yeah, let's let's

749
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: just describe this a little bit. So this is a

750
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: really bad idea. It was never ever ever do what

751
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: Andy did, never, and it didn't fix the che either.

752
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: So so yeah, but tell us I'm in the front.

753
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: Andy decides he's going to climb up on this deadhead.

754
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure you were kind of daring me

755
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah, yeah, do that, but you won't,

756
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: yeah you Yeah, but I didn't need him encourage me.

757
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: I was going to be for encouraging bad positions. But

758
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: in retrospect that was bad. When I'm in the front

759
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: of the canoe, so it's only I mean, I think

760
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: it's only probably close to thirty ft deep right there,

761
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: so yeah, and the water temperature is probably a yeah.

762
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: But we go by it and and he's like, oh,

763
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: I can get on there. I can definitely get on there.

764
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: He's like, swing me around. I put him right next

765
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: to it. He grabs ahold. He's like, UM, want not

766
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: your foothold in here. He's like, you know, I don't

767
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: even need a foothold, so very gracefully takes his hands

768
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: out of the canoe, grabs the log. This is like

769
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: a telephone pole shaped sticking on like a forty five

770
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: degree angle out of the water. What I didn't know though,

771
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: before you continue, is it wasn't rigid. So as I

772
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: climbed to my once you had your hands on it,

773
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: and you pick your foot up and you put your

774
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: knee on the log going back, and the log starts

775
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 1: throwing it into the water, and I realized the canoe

776
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: is getting a little tippy, and Josh is freaking out.

777
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: Yet you're panicking. I can see it in your ice. Yep,

778
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: you had. I was filming. Yeah, Josh Mark was laughing,

779
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna die. But I did it. I got off

780
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 1: the boat. You did not do it. Get the videos

781
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: three quarters way out of the boat, three cords of

782
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: the way, but you were not fully I gotta see

783
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: the video. In my mind, I did at kid thing.

784
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: So I feel like he was wearing a life jacket,

785
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: So that was one safe part. Yes, he was wearing

786
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: a life jacket, had a life jacket, but I don't

787
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: know if it was buoyant enough to hold him up

788
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: with the forty pounds of stuff he had wrapped around him.

789
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: So would you have floated? Yeah, it might have been.

790
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: Here here's the video, we'll see you can hear anything

791
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: language might be an issue, we'll sound surf needed. He's

792
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: the prudent one father. Right now he's leaning out the

793
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: kid who's tipping. He's holding onto it two legs still,

794
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: and then he came right back in your legs. Never

795
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: one of my legs, one of your legs did. But

796
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: you're still the foot inside the canoe. I don't believe

797
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna I'm gonna go with three quarters away

798
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: because his body weight was on that log. My body

799
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: weight was on the log at one point because it

800
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: But either way, it doesn't change the fact that our

801
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: chief stay outline or whatever what's going on. So we

802
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: were all hunting hiking around. You guys are basically doing

803
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: the same thing. Well, we yeah, trying to cross palm.

804
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: That didn't work out, but the deer hunting did. Either

805
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: one of you have a different perspective on the deer hunting,

806
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: a different tactic. You tried a different thing you're thinking

807
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: about other than cover country. Check out two rain features.

808
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: Look for trying to cover something. It's just so loud.

809
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: All the leaf cover was the first day. It was

810
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: awesome that I got up because it had been raining

811
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: and everything was wet. And it was great. I didn't

812
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: even notice how quiet it was. But then the next

813
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: day the sun came out in the wind and it

814
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: was like, holy man, there's no way to sneak anywhere.

815
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: You had a real hard time sneaking anywhere because it

816
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: was just so loud and crunchy and trying to weave

817
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: your way through all this stuff. I mean there's not

818
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: any dear major trailways that you could walk, and no

819
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: field edges here, no field and so it was just

820
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: it was just tough walking. But I kind of did

821
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: it like a combo. I tried to cover some ground

822
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: and then if I saw a good spot where I

823
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: could see a little bit, I'd sit down for a

824
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: little bit and try to keep going, or try to

825
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 1: sit up on top of one of these ridges where

826
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: I could look down into some of these drainages that

827
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: are going down to the water. Um, but you have

828
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: very little sign A few piles of scot here and there,

829
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: but not much. Yeah. So we ended up hunting the

830
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: whole trip, and we saw two deer total. The two

831
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: deer total were spotted when we had actually portage to

832
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: a New Lakes porters across several portages to this New Lake,

833
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: and we're gonna fish it during the day and then

834
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: try to scout and hunt that evening. And we're starting

835
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: to troll along the shoreline and at fish and then Andy,

836
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 1: you turned as you looked at us, and you said,

837
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: I said it really quiet. I think, didn't they there's

838
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: a couple of deer over there. He'll be like they were.

839
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: They were running when I saw them. Yeah, So when

840
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: I yelled, I don't think I had a lot to do.

841
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that I yelled anyway. But you basically

842
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: whispered to us though, that there was a couple of deer, right, dear. Yeah,

843
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: And so you, you and Chuck were in the canoe together,

844
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: and you kept paddling and me and further had not

845
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: gotten past the point. Yes, we backed up, so we

846
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: split up. You went continue to pass where the deer were.

847
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: Me and Josh pulled back behind it, and we each

848
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: beached our canoes and we're going to try to do

849
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: some kind of stock on this deer. Um. So I

850
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 1: never knew. I never actually saw the deer though, because

851
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: we hadn't crossed this rocky point to be able seen

852
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: to the inlet yet. So I was operating under the

853
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: assumption that they were still like at the water's edge

854
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: drinking or something. So I tried to really carefully and

855
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: quietly grab my bow and all my stuff, going really slow.

856
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: Wondered why we never talked about this. It took so long. Yeah,

857
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: we were watching he had an emergency. Oh no, that

858
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: was later. That was later, but I'll explain that too. Um,

859
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: he took a long time getting out of But that

860
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: makes sense though, because I thought, what the hell is

861
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: he doing over there? I thought they were like yards away,

862
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 1: forty yards story rise, like I try. We were trying,

863
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: still hard in those canoes, but trying to get out

864
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: quietly without banging stuff around, trying to get my ball out.

865
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: Finally did and like just real quietly crept over the ridge,

866
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: but they were gone. And then I tried following him

867
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: for a while, and then eventually I had to go

868
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: poop so bad I couldn't do it any longer. So

869
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: finally I said, you know that there's no way I

870
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: can keep trying to stock this. I thought I was

871
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: on tracks, but I had no idea how far I

872
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: was on tracks. I wasn't sure if there wasn't theirs um,

873
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: I couldn't do any longer, so I had to go

874
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: back to the boat, got toilet paper from me from you.

875
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: Always prepared to par that. Um we should talk about

876
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: our group roles to at some point. UM. Long story

877
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: short than that, I never saw the dear Andy you

878
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: did kind of a similar thing you did a sneak

879
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: snuck in, kind of got run into some water we

880
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: couldn't cross. And if we had done the second thing

881
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: we did, we went out and around. I think there

882
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: could have been that could have been you know, effective,

883
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: because there were some trails, and it's possible that those

884
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: deer were using that little ridge and that little low

885
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: spot between the two. But who knows. There was fresh

886
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: tracks and stuff there too. But that was basically the

887
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: deer hunting. I mean, we went out every night, some mornings.

888
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: I didn't see any very little sign after that. Numbers,

889
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: oh what was it? Very three to five deer, three

890
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: to five deer per square a mile a lot of

891
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 1: the areas, some places like zero deer per square a mile.

892
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: So we guys I was talking to, there might have

893
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: been three to five deer in the zone we were hunting.

894
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: I feel like if there could have been more in

895
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: some areas and less if if we had it to

896
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: do over again, you feel like we could have hunted

897
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: smarter in our right behind our camp and maybe been effective.

898
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: That's the one thing I kind of regret. I think

899
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: if we did it over it go into jack Fish Yeah,

900
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: Jackfish Bay would be there. I mean the terrain there

901
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: was more open, yeah, which could have gone to that

902
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: other bay. Um And I agree with what you're saying, Charlie.

903
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: I think with that area gave us was more country

904
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: to work because it was obviously very hard to cover

905
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: country in a stealthy fashion walking over land. Right, So

906
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: if I could do it over again from a deer

907
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: hunting perspective, I would have gotten to a bigger lake,

908
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: a much bigger lake like this one we went to

909
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: where we saw this too deer. And in a situation

910
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: like that, you just paddle two totally different areas and

911
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: then you just slip in right off the water and hunt,

912
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, fifty yards in from the water. It's probably

913
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: or even try to replicate what happened that one day

914
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: where we saw deer off the bank, like get up

915
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: early around the morning crack of dawn, just start paddling

916
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: the lake glass in the shoreline. Once you spot deer,

917
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: beat yourself, and then make a stalk through the land

918
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: to him. Um, that might have been a more productive

919
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: means of doing it our ways. Certainly one of them

920
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: could have stalked him. The other one would have to

921
00:47:55,640 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: stay back and fish. We're making a reference to what happened.

922
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: I took you where I thought the deer were going

923
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: to be. We both sat over there. It's a good time.

924
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 1: What else would we have done different because we didn't.

925
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: We didn't We didn't shoot a deer. I honestly, we

926
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: didn't see a deer. We could have done better at camp, honestly. Yeah,

927
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: we started grouse hunting at I feel like we'd already

928
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: we didn't realize how little sign we were going to

929
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: see other than that, though, we kind of blew that up,

930
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: like we're gonna go over here and see signed assuming that.

931
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't we assume that, because the first place we parked,

932
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: we're like, hey, look at there, buck rob just didn't

933
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: be in the case. Yeah, we just kind of looked

934
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: into the first deer sign and that was kind of

935
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: the most plentiful sign that we saw the whole trip.

936
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: So that the deer hunting didn't go as we would

937
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 1: have hoped it would have. The grouse hunting was decent.

938
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: If we had all had firearms, it was pretty good

939
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: for me, pretty good. The fishing didn't go as we

940
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: would have hoped, but still as we left, we all

941
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: kept talking about what an unbelievable experience this was, how

942
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: awesome was all throughout it we were commenting about how

943
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: amazing it was. We haven't done a really good job

944
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: of explaining why any of that stuff, why it was

945
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: so cool. Um, let's talk about our favorite moments on

946
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: the trip. I definitely have a couple that stand out

947
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: for me to do either any of you guys, probably

948
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 1: a lot of our favorite We'll let you go first

949
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 1: on the favorites, because I think we're gonna have similar

950
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: where similar ones probably so. I think my first favorite

951
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: was our second night of hunting. I think me and

952
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: Charlie had been on hunting together. We got back to camp,

953
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: and then you two had been another zone. You paddled

954
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: back after dark. We're right in front of you guys,

955
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: sitting in the rocks, sitting in the canoe, and we're

956
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: sitting on the rocks. You pull up to us and

957
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: we're just kind of like recapping the night's hunt, and

958
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we hear a noise quiet, and

959
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, the pack of wolves lit

960
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: up across the lake and we all just sat there

961
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: in silence, listening to these wolves doing what wolves do.

962
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: And of all the time that we've spent out there

963
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: doing things like this between us for combined, I think

964
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: this is accurate, unless Charlie, maybe you had heard some

965
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: before you did hear Okay, well, all the time I've

966
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: done it and you guys have done it. We never

967
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: had heard wolves howl. I'd heard one single howl one

968
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: time and never anything like this though, So that was

969
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: like such a cool experience to hear that. I mean,

970
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: without signing cheesy, like, I don't know if there's anything

971
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: more emblematic of wilderness than you know, a pack of

972
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: wolves howling. It makes you feel like you are in it.

973
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: And that happened that way, So cool, awesome. So we

974
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: heard him that night, and then the next morning we

975
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: actually heard them again and like a feeding frenzy or

976
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: something like howling embarking and going nuts. Um, So that

977
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: was pretty cool to hear. So that was my top

978
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: moment probably I was one of the major part of God.

979
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: I hope that we get to hear wolves. I knew

980
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: there's a lot in the area. Maybe not great for

981
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: our deer hunting, but I just that would be a

982
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 1: cool experience. We had that, and we're here, we're hearing

983
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: it while sitting out on a rocky outcrop, the water

984
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: on the lay in front of us, a glass so still,

985
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: The stars are shining so bright above us, reflecting off

986
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 1: the lake, reflecting off the lake. There's just a little

987
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: bit of orange and pink on the horizon, just a

988
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: tiny bit that just allows you to see the etched

989
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 1: out outlines of all the pine trees along the horizon

990
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: line meet just the most beautiful thing you ever saw.

991
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: And then the wolves. I mean, it's a moment I'll

992
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: never forget. So take us to the nether to the

993
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: next one. I think I know it's gonna be mine.

994
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: Would be so one of the port after several of

995
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: the portages, one of the days that we saw the

996
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: deer on our way back was we were paddling with

997
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: our head lamps, which is pointless when you're in the

998
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: middle of water big enough that you can't see the

999
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: shore with your head lamp. So we finally realized that

1000
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: maybe just turn them off. And once we did that,

1001
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: it was like the whole sky just lit up, like

1002
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 1: there were so many stars and you could literally see

1003
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: the stars reflecting in the water. The water was flat

1004
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: enough that you could see the Big Dipper reflecting and

1005
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: that was that was pretty cool. Yeah, just shooting stars everywhere,

1006
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: at least saw one shooting star. So quiet. So that

1007
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: was something that too. We didn't talk about was when

1008
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 1: the wind died down when we first got in there,

1009
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: Like as we were getting in, it was just like

1010
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: it was a weird quiet didn't want to like everybody

1011
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: was whispering. Everyone almost I was doing my version of

1012
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: whispering to shifting baselines, just a different baseline off. But yeah,

1013
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: the silence was kind of it was just weird. I

1014
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I'm sure we've heard silence before,

1015
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: but I don't know why it seemed different. But I did,

1016
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: Like I remember thinking about shooting the grouse with that shotgun.

1017
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: I thinking, man, I don't know if I want to

1018
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: be that loud, Like I don't know, there's something weird

1019
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: about that, or there's another time where like weird. I

1020
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: was a camp and you were across the way a

1021
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: little bit in the boat, and I wanted to let

1022
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: you know that me and Charlie would have gone hume.

1023
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: I looked at you, You're like, I don't a hundred

1024
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: yards away or something very easy that could have hollered,

1025
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: so hey, we're gonna go hunt. But it just seemed

1026
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: like almost sacrilegious, just seemed like you shouldn't break that. Yeah,

1027
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: and it was cool, so cool. I mean, yeah, I

1028
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: don't want that to sound nerdy, but it just it's

1029
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: not something you thought about it just when you were

1030
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: in the moment. It was just like, I don't want

1031
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: to say anything now, like it's hard to explain. I

1032
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: don't know. We didn't shoot a deer, we shot a

1033
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: couple of grouse, we didn't catch a lot of fish.

1034
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: But I think we all could agree that it was

1035
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: one of the most beautiful places we've ever seen, one

1036
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: of the most special outside experiences we've ever had. Definitely.

1037
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen a sky like at

1038
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: night light up like I did, like maybe like two

1039
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: or three of the nights we hadn't really clear crystal

1040
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: clear skies. Oh I got the stars and just every

1041
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: you can see everything Milky Way, Big Dipper a little.

1042
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: I mean, is this incredible? And there's something about how

1043
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 1: removed you had to be. You know that you weren't

1044
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: by a truck, you weren't by the road. You had

1045
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: some reason. It was unique that you had to use

1046
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: a canoe, you had to come over water. That's just

1047
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: so different than anything you couldn't just walk back. I

1048
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: think adding the element of water to anything kind of

1049
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: like root you a little deeper into the experience. I mean,

1050
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: it was just I don't know, every day sitting on

1051
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: that rock overlooking the lake, every morning we said there

1052
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: during her coffee, and the evenings, sitting there after the hunts.

1053
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: That just was maybe like the best thing of it all.

1054
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: Just being there in this place, rooted to this location,

1055
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: that was I don't know, sends you back in history

1056
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 1: a little bit. We kept talking about what the Native

1057
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: Americans might have done here, and what the trappers did here,

1058
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: all these people that came before us, and now we,

1059
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: in some small way, we got to insert ourselves into

1060
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: that timeline. Yeah, it's that like, was your a kid

1061
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: that camp site that you imagine when you're a kid,

1062
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: like you got the tent. It's kind of stick sticking

1063
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: out of it, their smoke rolling out of it there.

1064
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's water all around it, two canoes sitting there.

1065
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 1: It was. It was just like that perfect camp site

1066
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: that you imagine when you're a child, like, oh, I

1067
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: want to do that someday, like on a Oh is

1068
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: that Terry Redland or something painting or something you'd see?

1069
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was. It was it rivals the mountains.

1070
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: For me, I didn't think that would be possible, But

1071
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: just how the solitude of it, and how you don't

1072
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: you don't see anybody else, You don't hear anything like

1073
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: the wool, I mean all that stuff. It's got its

1074
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: own draw for sure. Charlie, you where did you rank

1075
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 1: this on your level of epic experiences you've had? It's different,

1076
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, like the mountains has one aspect to it

1077
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: and it's like the work you put in to get

1078
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: to the highest peak. But this is just like more calming,

1079
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: deeper appreciation of like the wild. I mean, they both

1080
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: have their place and it's hard to compare. But if

1081
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: there was two places to go before I died, be

1082
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: the mountains in here. Yeah. It's pretty, yeah, pretty especially

1083
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: that night when we were paddling back in the dark,

1084
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: and you were just I don't know, that's a moment

1085
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: that it will be hard to ever top. Just silent.

1086
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: We all just kind of laid back in our canoes,

1087
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: but and I don't know, just special, Like ten minutes

1088
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: would go by and you'd be like, oh yeah, we'd

1089
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: just be laying there and the who's looking up and

1090
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: protect us twice as long to get back because you're

1091
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: just taking our time andarely and paddling and guided ourselves

1092
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: by the stars. Just a throwback. That was cool for

1093
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: me when we were coming back and you start imagining,

1094
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: like how do you we turn your light on and

1095
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: to see where you're going on the bank or whatever.

1096
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: It's like there was a lot of people that have

1097
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: done this and didn't have that option to flip that

1098
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: light on and see what's over there. So let's turn

1099
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: it off and let's just do it that way, you know,

1100
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: go And that was neat to to see things in

1101
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: that from that perspective. You know, So what what what

1102
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: final takeaways did you guys have from this experience? You know,

1103
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: we didn't come back with a bunch of protein, We

1104
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: didn't have that kind of success. Um, but where what's

1105
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: your final thoughts, final outcome, final takeaway, lesson learned anything

1106
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: like that coming out of this whole thing that you're

1107
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: leaving the boundary wires with, anyone want to jump on that,

1108
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 1: I'll go first. I mean it's a place I definitely

1109
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: want to come back with my family, like for a

1110
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 1: summer trip, Like we scratch just like such a tiny

1111
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: little surface of it. And if that's like the experience

1112
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: that we could have in this little just this one

1113
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: little small section, what if you really took some time

1114
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: out here and did like a paddle trip and you know,

1115
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: spend a night at each camp, you know, and just

1116
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: kept going around all the different lakes and did a

1117
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: big loop like that'd be an awesome trip to do

1118
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: with with the family. And I got just saying, man,

1119
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: I can't wait to tell my son about this experience

1120
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: like that. How do you how do you even put

1121
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: it into words? Though? Or pictures don't do it justice.

1122
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: There's just it is a is a different experience than

1123
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: anything I've had, and I think on a hunting trip definitely, Charlie,

1124
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: I'd say that it's like it really opens your eyes

1125
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: to that experience of it all, like even though it

1126
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: was a hunting trip. We weren't successful in that aspect,

1127
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: but we made new friends, had a hell of a time,

1128
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: a lot of laughs. So although hunting is important and

1129
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: like way to get food, it's also about like the

1130
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: places it takes you and the things you can see.

1131
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of that, and a lot of

1132
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: the small moments stick out, like the beavers slapping at

1133
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: you guys. Yeah, yeah, that was that was loud and

1134
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: all that cool stuff that you see. Yeah, there's a

1135
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: lot of little things like that. I kind of forgot

1136
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 1: about that already, like dang, so we didn't take in. Yeah,

1137
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: we did a fun thing to started a couple of

1138
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: nights and Josh started doing an audio journal on his phone. Yeah,

1139
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: so each net in the wall tent, we're all laying

1140
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: there and we'd all try to recap everything that happened

1141
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: that day. And it sounded stupid at first, but it

1142
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: was actually kind of cool. I didn't think it ever

1143
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: sounded stupid. I thought it sounded awesome the whole time.

1144
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: Ridiculed the first time for doing it. Yeah, uh anything

1145
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: else and oh see no not really, I mean I

1146
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: And then there's always this this is the feeling that

1147
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: you always have when you leave. But I just feel

1148
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: like that you we could have killed deer if we

1149
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: did that on our little island there. I feel like

1150
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: if we had just done it a little bit different

1151
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: and played that a little smarter, maybe canute into there

1152
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: and just didn't push but you don't know that, but

1153
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: didn't push in there, just found the sign that we

1154
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: found found early on and just sat up on it,

1155
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: tried you know those early mornings or you know, right

1156
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: before dark and maybe but I mean it was just

1157
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a deer. I was gonna have to choose

1158
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: to walk by you in the middle of this one point. Yeah,

1159
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: I think for me it was. It was definitely all

1160
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: those things. And I came into this hunt having a

1161
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: different set of expectations that I do on most of

1162
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: my trips, which was good. Um about that. Yeah, a

1163
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: little different Mark Kenyon than there used to be a

1164
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: little bit not quite as gung. I mean, it's still

1165
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: gung hope, but I'm also trying to open my eyes

1166
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: to the larger experience kind of art was saying, especially

1167
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: on this one, I wanted to really yes it was

1168
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: a deer hunt, and yes I wanted to kill a deer.

1169
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,919
Speaker 1: But that wasn't gonna make or break it. I wasn't

1170
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: going to obsess over I was going to try to

1171
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: appreciate all facets of it. Um, it's more fun. Oh

1172
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: my gosh, it was fun. Over the course of the

1173
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: last six weeks, one common thread that I've experienced with

1174
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: all the different people and all the trips I've been

1175
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: on is everybody has taken a minute to like soak

1176
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: in where they are, Like, it doesn't matter if we're

1177
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: pounding through lights out, going up two thousand feet elevation

1178
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: gain and just like sucking wind, you know, but like

1179
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: we stopped and we just like looking like, man, how

1180
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: cool is this? Everywhere we've been it's just like that's

1181
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: what it's all about. And I think that's one of

1182
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: the really cool things about hunting is it gives a

1183
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: lot of us an excuse to go out into these

1184
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: places and interact with them in a way that really

1185
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: forces you to engage, not just drive through it, not

1186
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: just walk through it, but get out there, sit quietly

1187
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: think about what's happening. Um, that's a great opportunity privilege

1188
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: we have his hunters to get to do that. But

1189
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: I will say that. What this experience reminded me of

1190
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: two is too when we're thinking about our hunts and

1191
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: we're thinking about our plans for the fall. I've definitely

1192
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: been guilty in the past of trying to plan, like

1193
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: where can I kill, Like I'm gonna do this because

1194
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: I think I can kill a big buck. I gonna

1195
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: go here because I think it's a great chance to

1196
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: shoot something. I'm gonna go here because you know, there's whatever.

1197
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: This is a great reminder of the need to look

1198
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: outside of that sometimes and remember the broader experience. And

1199
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: we're sitting in Charlie's truck right now and he has

1200
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: a little fortune cookie fortune sticking sitting in his dash

1201
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: and it says it is important to broaden your horizons

1202
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: day by day. And I think that's so true, and

1203
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: I think this experience we just has a perfect example

1204
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: of that. We all went beyond our borders. We all

1205
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: went into an area in a style of hunting and

1206
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: experience we've never had before, and we learned something new,

1207
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: we experienced something new, we all came out of it.

1208
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: I think having a really really I don't know if

1209
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: it's life changing, but definitely, I think every trip like

1210
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: this Yes, we had a powerful, We had a really memorable,

1211
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: interesting experience in a wild place. That just makes me

1212
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: so appreciate that we have places like this still. And

1213
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: I think that's the final thing I would add is that,

1214
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: you know what it intrigued me to do this trip

1215
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: originally was I kept hearing about so many people who

1216
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: cared about this place. They wanted to try to keep

1217
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: this place from getting polluted. They wanted to try to

1218
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: make sure that's still protected in a pristine state, that

1219
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: the stays wilderness. So many people were fighting to keep

1220
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: that and I was, you know, huh, I wonder why

1221
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: so many people care so much. And now that we

1222
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: actually went in there and saw it just for the

1223
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: week that we are there, I totally get it Nowstandum,

1224
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: maybe talk about one of the reasons that's important right now,

1225
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: because I don't think you've touched on that about the

1226
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: mining and stuff. Well, what we're actually gonna do right

1227
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: now is we're gonna hit pause on the podcast and

1228
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna get back chat with a couple of experts,

1229
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: one or two experts on the topic to get the

1230
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: latest intel on what is happening right now with the

1231
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: boundary waters in a set of proposed mining leases that

1232
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: are threatening this location that probably deserves a little bit

1233
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: of extra care. I want to look the same the

1234
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: next time I come back here. I want you to

1235
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,439
Speaker 1: bring your son back. We can drink the water straight

1236
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: from the lake. Get boiler still, but you can. You

1237
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: can drink the water. It's not gonna be polluted. There

1238
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: will be fishing the water, there will be wildlife drinking

1239
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: the water. There'll be places you can canoe into and

1240
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: listen to wolves and saloons and watch a sunset. That's

1241
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 1: worth that's worth fighting for as far as I'm concerned.

1242
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: All Right, I am now with Lucas Leaf. Welcome back

1243
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: to the podcast. Lucas, thanks again for having me Mark.

1244
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: Always nice to be on. Yeah. Excited to be able

1245
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: to have this follow up chat because last year, I

1246
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: guess it was we originally chatted about this trip I

1247
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: wanted to do, and and I was trying to learn

1248
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: about what was happening up in the Boundary Waters. And

1249
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: now finally a year and a half later, it's happened.

1250
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: Um And what this what we've done on this podcast

1251
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: so far is is we just recapped how our hunt went.

1252
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: But now I was hoping to bring you on here

1253
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: to just get us all up to date as accurately

1254
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: as possible. Rather than me trying to recount what I've

1255
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: read and what I've heard, I'd rather you, who has

1256
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: been so involved with it, get us up to speed

1257
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: on on what's going on in the Boundary Waters. But

1258
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: before we do that, can you just really quickly give

1259
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: us the cliff notes of of who you are and

1260
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: how you are involved with the Boundary Waters. Yeah? Absolutely.

1261
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: Um name is Lucas Leaf. I'm the executive director at

1262
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: Sportsman for the Boundary Waters and currently one of the

1263
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: main issues that we're working on as an organization is

1264
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: proposed sulfide or copper mining within the watershed of the

1265
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness in northeastern Minnesota, one point

1266
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: one million acres of public lands and waters within the

1267
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: Superior National Forests. The Superior National Forest holds of the

1268
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: entire of the fresh water in the entire National force system.

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01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: That's three million acres out of that. Proposed sulfide or

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Speaker 1: copper mine is owned by Anna Fagasta and has a

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Speaker 1: wholly owned subsidiary company called Twin Medals Minnesota that is

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Speaker 1: proposing this specific type of MIND very close to the

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Speaker 1: edge of the Boundary waters. UM. Byproduct of this type

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01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: of mining is sulfuric acid um and tons of other

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01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: heavy metals, also called acid mind drainage. The main issue

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01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: with that is this type of MIND has never been

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01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 1: done in the US without polluting in some form. So

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01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: you have a very water rich environment like the Boundary

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01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: waters um and a type of mining that generally on

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01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: an arid environments yet still pollutes in some form. So

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01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: putting those two together is quite an issue here in Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: specifically because of how water riach that area is up there,

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Speaker 1: And so what what tell me more about the risk

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01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,439
Speaker 1: of that specific location I've I've seen and heard about

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01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: the fact that a lot of this because of the

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01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: way the water is flowing through the watershed, it's particularly

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01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: placed in a in a dangerous area for the rest

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Speaker 1: of the wilderness. Is that right, Yes, absolutely so. The

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01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: exact spot that it's located is right outside of Eye, Minnesota.

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01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: Most of the mining facilities and proposed MIND sites are

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01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: up to within a quarter mile of the border of

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01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: the Boundary waters, and the potential for pollution rolls up

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01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: through uh the caish Away River, which goes in and

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01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: back in and in and out back into the boundary

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01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: waters itself and would flow up through the potential pollution

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01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: would flow up through the boundary waters in the Voyagers

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01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: National Park, Rainy Lake all the way up to Hudson

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01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: Bay along the UH United States and Canadian border along

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01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: Minnesota all the way up. So there's a vast area

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01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:37,439
Speaker 1: that could be potentially polluted by this. And UM, there's

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01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: not only UH water based issue, you know, this is

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01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: a wildlife based issue. This is an economic issue. UM.

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01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: The list goes on. So it's it's very detrimental to

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01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: um the outdoor economy that the boundary water supports as well.

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01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: So you mentioned this outdoor recreation economy. UM, I know

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01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: one of the major I guess the proponents of the

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01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: mine would say that that will be good for the economy,

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01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: and people need those jobs, and of course resource abstraction

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01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: and that economy is important. Those jobs are important. UM.

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01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: In this case though, because of the specific location of it,

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01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: it threatens so much else too. And and I know

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01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: there's been some numbers and and people trying to quantify

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01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: what kind of economic impact the recreation on the boundary

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01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 1: waters has and and all the things related to wildlife

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01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: and wild places up there. Have you guys, can you

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01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: speak to that at all? I mean, I mean, what

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01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: are what's at risk on that level? I think when

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01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: it comes down to the job argument, you're looking at, UM,

1319
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: a sustainable and robust outdoor economy that's supported by the

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01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:44,560
Speaker 1: boundary waters itself, and as long as that remains in

1321
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 1: the same the same way that it is right now, UM,

1322
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 1: it's going to support those jobs in perpetuity. Right, so

1323
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: you will always have this wilderness supporting an outdoor economy

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01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: in northeastern Minnesota. UM. Comparatively to the proposed you know

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01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: a number of jobs, I don't think we need to

1326
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 1: get into numbers here specifically, but those jobs put forth

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01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: by Anathoga Gaston for one of our ten fifteen years

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01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: down the road, and we can kind of get into

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01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: that a little bit later here. But you're also looking

1330
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: at comparatively, you know what is um you know, how

1331
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 1: is automation going to develop in that time? So by

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01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 1: the time those jobs actually come forth, there really is

1333
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: no way to quantify how many there will actually be

1334
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: at that time. Out your economy itself is growing, thus

1335
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: the jobs are growing, and that that doesn't just affect

1336
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: northeastern Minnesota. That affects the folks down in southeastern Minnesota

1337
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 1: like Winona, Canoe. Um, you know, all the hotels and

1338
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: places that people stay when they come to come and

1339
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: visit this place, the gear that they're buying ahead of time.

1340
01:09:56,439 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: So it's so hard to quantify the numbers, but you

1341
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,759
Speaker 1: have to see the amount of jobs that are already

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01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 1: there that are supported by this place too. It definitely

1343
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 1: went out just being there and Eally just seeing, you know,

1344
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 1: compared to what I imagine a lot of other small

1345
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: towns across you know, rural America might be dealing with

1346
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,520
Speaker 1: right now, Eally is seemingly thriving. Lots of shops, great restaurants,

1347
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: a lot of gear shops, a lot of outfitters. Um

1348
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 1: obviously outdoor recreation hunting and fishing and paddling and camping.

1349
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: That seems to be all the lifeblood of that place,

1350
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: just at least from an observation standpoint as I passed

1351
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: through there. Um, oh yeah, you know, and and winter

1352
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 1: sports and recreation, and they're they're building and you know,

1353
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: developing more trails around the area too for four wheeling

1354
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: to to get that going more too. So and I

1355
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: know you guys you know visited Paragas. I think that's

1356
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: a shining example of of, you know, what the Boundary

1357
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: Waters can sustain as an outdoor business up there, and

1358
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,639
Speaker 1: the employees a ton of people. It's an amazing business.

1359
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: And that's been around for a while to twenty years

1360
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 1: or something like that, maybe more than that, I think,

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01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: I think it's almost thirties. Wow. Yeah, they've got a

1362
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: they've got a great deal going there. We we enjoyed

1363
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: chatting with them and checking out their shop and everything.

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01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 1: Um so, so, Okay, the Boundary Waters is an incredible place.

1365
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: I just experienced it finally, And and that's what we

1366
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: kind of talked about the whole podcast leading up to this.

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01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: We've kind of we've kind of established that, Okay, it's

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01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:31,520
Speaker 1: it's a special place. It supports an important recreation economy.

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01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: There's these proposed minds that have a strong possibility of

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01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: polluting this ecosystem in this special place and damaging the

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01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,560
Speaker 1: water quality and the fish and wildlife and all the

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01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: opportunities that we care about up there. Um, can you

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01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: get us up to speed on what's been going on

1374
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: in the last couple of years and then just recently

1375
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: this year, so they proposed these minds, and now there's

1376
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: been this controversy between those who want to protect the

1377
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: boundary waters versus those who want to set up them.

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01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 1: Line there so close to it. Walked me through what's

1379
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: happened and where we are today. Sure, I think a

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01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 1: good good place to start then is you know, near

1381
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: the the end of the Obama administration, they instituted what

1382
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: is called federal withdrawal roughly around two acres from the

1383
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: federal mining program, right, so there was this buffer zone

1384
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 1: around the Boundary Waters Canari a wilderness that UH was

1385
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: meant to be a part of a two year environmental

1386
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:38,639
Speaker 1: study which was instituted by UH, that federal mineral withdrawal.

1387
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 1: So that was great because we knew that that federal

1388
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: withdrawal and that mining study and that environmental study we're

1389
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: going to show that this place was too too special

1390
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,560
Speaker 1: and also you know, too sensitive of an area for

1391
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: this type of mind to go. UM. Fast forward to

1392
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: the Trump administration, that decision was reversed and last year

1393
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: and Medals, which again I mentioned is owned by Anna

1394
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 1: fagassa Chilean mining company, was granted UH two leases four

1395
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 1: sull fight or comprom mining near the boundary waters. So

1396
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: we we're currently at with that is again, these leases

1397
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 1: are highly contested because of their proximity to this, to

1398
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 1: this wilderness. UM. They're also working on a third mineral

1399
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 1: re lease at this point, and since they've been granted

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01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: those leases, they are now able to move forward on

1401
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: submitting a state mind plan. So that mind plan of operation,

1402
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: just like say the title of mine UH is you

1403
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: know twin medals, is evaluated on the basis of those

1404
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: permits rather than leasing. UM. So for there we're in

1405
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: a long fight, you know, legal battles, money spent on

1406
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 1: both sides, but at this point, you know, it comes

1407
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: down to the state level for that mind plan. So

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01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 1: the permitting process will begin once they submit that mind plan,

1409
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: which will be somewhere towards the end of this year,

1410
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: is what we've heard. UM. Then that kind of brings

1411
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 1: the battle down to the state level and our UH

1412
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 1: senators and legislators, especially our governor as well here in Minnesota.

1413
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: So what can besides that go ahead? I was just

1414
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: gonna I was gonna ask if you if you don't

1415
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 1: have more on on where that's at, my next question

1416
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: would be simply, is there anything the average person can

1417
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: do at this point? Oh? Absolutely, I mean we're in

1418
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 1: a perfect position now for folks to be making calls

1419
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:52,640
Speaker 1: to their representatives, to be making calls to governor walls. Uh,

1420
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 1: writing to the newspapers, holding events. Um. Honestly, this guy's

1421
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: the limit. Make sure you know, sign petitions. Um, we

1422
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,679
Speaker 1: have places that folks can sign up, you know, where

1423
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: we set up meetings for them and their legislators. We

1424
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 1: just need to make sure that we get the word

1425
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: out and that we show these folks here in Minnesota

1426
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: and nationally that this is an issue just like Yellowstone

1427
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 1: and Pebble and bears ears right. Um, it's an issue

1428
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: of national importance and people's voices are most important right now.

1429
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 1: And that's really what we need folks to do. So

1430
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 1: keep keep spreading the good word, talking about it, making

1431
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: sure that our legislators know that this is this is

1432
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: a special place and needs to be protected and and

1433
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 1: all that. That makes a lot of sense to me.

1434
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: So any other final things we need to know about this,

1435
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 1: I guess I guess one thing we do need to

1436
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: check off on is just for those that are wanting

1437
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 1: to learn more, where should they go to learn more

1438
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 1: about the issue, to learn more about the boundary waters

1439
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: and how they can help. Yeah, please visit our web

1440
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 1: site at Sportsman b w c A dot org. You'll

1441
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 1: find everything you need there to learn more about the

1442
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 1: issue and also to find out how you can plug

1443
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: into the issue as well and help. Um. We have

1444
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 1: many great partners that are also helping us with this,

1445
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: like back then three Hunters and Anglers and Theodore Roosevelt

1446
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: Conservation Partnership, So you can also find information and follow

1447
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 1: them for different work that we're doing. And I would

1448
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: again I would just say, you know, make a call.

1449
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 1: Make a call, it's the most important thing. Write a letter, um,

1450
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: and you know hopefully when you know. Uh. Also when

1451
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 1: this mind plan is submitted and and the submittle of

1452
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 1: this third lease, if they were to get it, will

1453
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 1: also have some public comment period, and that's a great

1454
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: way for people to plug into this as well. So

1455
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 1: I'd say those are are very easy ways for people

1456
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: to help on this and help us nationalize this issue,

1457
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 1: because the folks we're gonna need to help are not

1458
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 1: just in this state, they're across the entire country. Yeah,

1459
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 1: And I think the final thing I would maybe add

1460
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 1: is you tell me if you agree with this, But

1461
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 1: I would also just encourage people to go and see

1462
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: this place you're for yourself. Absolutely experience it for yourself.

1463
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 1: I think you'll then come to understand why so many

1464
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 1: people are making a racket about it, because it really is.

1465
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 1: I keep saying it's special and you do need to

1466
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 1: experience that firsthand. They'll probably to really get it. So

1467
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: head out there, to really head there into the Boundary Water,

1468
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 1: support those local businesses and those folks that are also

1469
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: fighting this good fight. I think that's a good place

1470
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: to start as well. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean I don't

1471
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: think there's any more important to actually see in the

1472
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: place you know, as it is and for what it is,

1473
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 1: and the Boundary Waters is incredibly special and it's one

1474
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 1: of a kind place, and yeah, I couldn't agree more.

1475
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: Would also be happy to help anybody get up there

1476
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: they want to contact us too, perfect well, I'll make

1477
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: sure to uh to get people links again as well

1478
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: for where they can get all this information. And thank

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Speaker 1: you Lucas for all of your help helping us was

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01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,640
Speaker 1: we were preparing for our trip and for giving this

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01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 1: this update and keeping everyone so well informed. Yes, thanks

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01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: smart for having me. I really appreciate it. Sounds like

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01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 1: you guys had a great trip and I'm looking forward

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01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 1: to hearing more about it. It was one of the kind.

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01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 1: It was really really cool. So we're planning on going

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01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 1: back again next year. I'm not sure what will be chasing,

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01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: but we're planning on going back soon. Nice. That sounds great.

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01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: So if we can help again, we're always there. Appreciate it,

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01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 1: all right, that is going to do it. So all

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01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 1: I want to do now is just give you one

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01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: more set of words of encouragement. I guess to go

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01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 1: and see the boundary waters for yourself. We've said it

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01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 1: fifteen times during this podcast. I'm sure if not more,

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01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: but this place is incredible. You gotta go out there,

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01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: try to hunt it and try to fish it, camp

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01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 1: a canoe it. It's just amazing. And that being the case,

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01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 1: please join me in standing up for this place. Sign

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01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:12,879
Speaker 1: the petition, send emails. Let folks know that some places

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01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: are too special to risk, and this is one of them.

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Speaker 1: Other things I want to mention want to thank Paragus

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01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 1: Northwood's company. These guys helped us get set up with

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01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 1: our canoes, with our stove and our wall tent. They

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01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: helped us figure out where we should go, spend time

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01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 1: looking at maps with us. Just took a lot of

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01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: time to help make this trip successful and I want

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01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: to make a special call out to them big help.

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01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: They're located in Ealie, Minnesota. If you're heading into the

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01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 1: Boundary Waters, you gotta stop there, get your gear, get

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01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,440
Speaker 1: loaded up on whatever stuff you need. They got a bookstore,

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01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: they've got clothing, they've got canoes. You can rent the

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01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: whole nine yards, so check it out. Also make sure

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01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 1: you're checking out Sportsman for the Boundary Waters to learn

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01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: more about what Lucas was telling you about. And finally,

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01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 1: speaking of books and public lands and protecting them, my

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01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,560
Speaker 1: new book That Wild Country. It's coming out here in

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01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,680
Speaker 1: just a matter of weeks. It's actually available early on

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01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 1: Amazon right now, but it will be available everywhere else

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01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 1: starting December one. If you want to pick up a copy,

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01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 1: it would mean the world. And if you leave a review,

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01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: I would appreciate it so much. So with all that said,

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01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: thanks again for listening. Best to luck in the woods

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Speaker 1: and stay wired to hunt.