1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: All right, welcome into this week's Huddle Up Podcast. New voice, 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: new hosts. Frankly, it's John Oser hosting. JP Shatterick is 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: on vacation. But the bottom line is we still have 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: NFL media Jaguars media analyst Bucky Brooks, So it's still 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: a fine episode of the Huddle Up Podcast. 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: Buck, How are you, buddy man? 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 3: I'm good, jay O. How is everything? You're now playing 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 3: point guard? 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 4: You've you've moved over the past, first point guard? 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 3: You nail? Just shoot it. Yeah, this will come. 11 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: On where Buck, At some point it'll be fine today, 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: two or three days from now, you're gonna see guys 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: in the locker room sort of whispering to each other 14 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: that I'm not the right guy. And then probably probably 15 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: in about a month, I'll be in Doug's office where 16 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: I was saying, look down, you're not gonna work, and. 17 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: We tried it. 18 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: No tell me I'm not a bad player. Hey, Hey, 19 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you're a bad player, means you don't 20 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: fit here. So I can see it coming already. So 21 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: news today Bucky the Florida Times Union reporting that the 22 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: stadium deal has taken one more step. The city council 23 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: president has said that it is going to go to 24 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: City Council next week. Mayor Donna Degan has reached a 25 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: deal for the renovation of the stadium with the Jaguars. 26 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: Now it has to get approved. I'm not going to 27 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: go into all that process, but it's another sign. You know, 28 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,639 Speaker 1: my thought from being around these things in the past, 29 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: there has been very little bubbling up about this thing 30 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: of not working. The two sides said at the beginning, 31 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: both sides want to get a deal done. There's been 32 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: no even whispering of, hey, this isn't going to get done. 33 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: One more step toward a new stadium, and that's nothing 34 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: but good news. 35 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: Now that's great news. 36 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 4: It's really good news to hear that the stadium is 37 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 4: going to be done, that we're not going to have 38 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 4: the i would say, the hand ring and trying to 39 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 4: figure out if Jaguars were going to be forced to 40 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 4: relocate because they couldn't get a deal done. 41 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 3: You like that. 42 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 4: You like to have the continuity of, Hey, the Jags 43 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 4: are gonna be here, it's gonna be a nice stadium. 44 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 4: It's gonna be an opportunity for the Jacks to kind 45 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 4: of upgrade the experience for everyone involved. Not only players, coaches, 46 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 4: but fans and everyone that wants to. 47 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 3: Check out the Jaguar. 48 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 4: So really excited that we're kind of making progress on 49 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 4: the stadium deals. 50 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: Two parts of the show today. The first part we're 51 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: going to go in. 52 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: I call it the first half of Huddle Up Bucket. 53 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm doing things a little different than JP we're you know, 54 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: I have put my stamp on it, you know, just 55 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: like a backup quarterback doesn't want to do everything the 56 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: starter does. So uh, first topic will be Rookie Mini Camp. 57 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: It's coming up. You know how much I love rookie 58 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: mini camp. I love anything that has no padded work 59 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: and that I have to be standing out in the sun. 60 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: So somebody asked me this week, Bucky John, what do 61 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: you want to see at rookie Mini Camp? And I said, 62 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: a breeze and shade. Beyond that, what do you know 63 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: if you were here, what are you looking for? And 64 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: on a serious note, I'm make fun of rookie camp. 65 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: To me, it's critically important for this reason. You want 66 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: to get these guys in and I've always been told 67 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: it's the first of three chances they get to look 68 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: at stuff before they start competing and they just want 69 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: to be able to hit the ground running in August. 70 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 71 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 4: So this is the equivalent of what we used to 72 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 4: do in high school, like school orientation, right where you 73 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 4: walk around the school, you go through a fake schedule 74 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 4: for the day. You kind of get the lay of 75 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 4: the land, no where you're supposed to go, where the 76 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 4: lockers are, and all those things. 77 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 3: This is the exposure for the rookies. 78 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 4: They'll get the initial playbook, they'll go through a basic 79 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 4: install they have an opportunity to take the information that 80 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 4: they learn in the meetings and kind. 81 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: Of put into practice on the field. 82 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 4: It to be their first exposure to the individual technique 83 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 4: that their coaches will demand from them, and they will 84 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 4: begin to learn some of those things so they when 85 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 4: they go back to their respective places where they work out, 86 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 4: they can start working on some of those things to 87 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 4: put the sales in a position that when OTAs and 88 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 4: those things kick off, they're better prepared to do it. 89 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 4: This is one from an evaluator standpoint. You just want 90 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 4: to make sure that everyone that you put on the field, 91 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 4: and Ricky Minnicamp, they look like they belong, They don't 92 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 4: look out of place, like the game is too big 93 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 4: for them, whether it's their physical dimensions, their athleticism, their speed, 94 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 4: their conditioning. Do they look like they're ready to at 95 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 4: least compete in an NFL training camp with some of 96 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 4: your notable draftees, your draft picks. Now you're beginning to 97 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 4: kind of get that first exposure. You're trying to figure out, Okay, 98 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 4: we drafted this guy. Does he look like he can 99 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 4: fulfill some of the things that we talked about just 100 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 4: moving around? And so for Brian Thomas Jr. Does he 101 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 4: look like he has that those elite traits that you 102 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 4: see from big time wide receivers, whether it's the height, weight, speed, 103 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 4: whether it's the route running ability, catching the ball in space? 104 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 4: Does he show some of those things? And a perfect world, 105 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 4: when you're a scout, you want your draft picks to flash. Hey, 106 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 4: show us some of the traits that led us to say, Hey, 107 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 4: this guy needs. 108 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 3: To be a Jaguar. 109 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 4: If you get some of that, you close up your notebook, 110 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 4: you walk into the office, and. 111 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: You feel good about that initial exposure. 112 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 4: If you don't get that, you worry a little bit, 113 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 4: but you hope, hey, man, like the second time you 114 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 4: come out, hopefully it's much better. Make sure you're ready, 115 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 4: make sure you're working, make sure you understand what you're 116 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 4: being asked to do to give yourself a chance to 117 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 4: compete for a spot on this roster. 118 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: I'm sure I've asked you this before, but I love 119 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: asking scouts this. Have you ever had the opposite feeling? 120 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: I've had scouts tell me there's always that feeling when 121 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: your guy, when you walk out there and after the 122 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: first practice you're walking off going uh. 123 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, it happens. 124 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: Avoid feeling, though in your scouting it happens. 125 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 4: It happens more time, more times than do you want 126 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,119 Speaker 4: it to. I remember in Seattle and look, this guy's 127 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 4: going on to be an eighty maybe the Ady of 128 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 4: Wisconsin associated Chris McIntosh was drafted early by the Seattle Seahawks. 129 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 3: And you can just tell very very early and attend. 130 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 4: You're like, oh this, this, this, this doesn't look good. Uh. 131 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 4: You hope that the tide can can turn it in 132 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 4: those things, but sometimes you yeah, sometimes it sometimes it 133 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 4: happens like that. And that's why, Look, the draft is 134 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 4: look is a crapshoot. As much as you think you 135 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 4: may know about a prospect than the player you see them, 136 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 4: watch all the tape, watch them work out of the combine. 137 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 4: Sometimes things are just different when they get on the 138 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 4: NFL field with NFL bodies. 139 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 3: In a different environment. 140 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 4: So you hope that knock on wood, there are none 141 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 4: of those candidates that show up in this rookie mini campuh, 142 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 4: because you hate to make those swings uh and miss 143 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 4: badging on a prospect is particularly when you've invested significant 144 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 4: draft capital to bring a player that you anticipate playing 145 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 4: a prominent role on your team. 146 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: And you hate it for the kid too, you know, 147 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: because they're here trying to It's not fun. 148 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 4: It's not fun because players players also realize, because players 149 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 4: will tell you before coaches and scouts can tell you 150 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 4: the player. 151 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: As a player, you can look around and and and 152 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 3: know where you stack right. 153 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 4: And for some of these guys, it'd be the first 154 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 4: time that they've played with a team full of guys 155 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 4: that was just as good, if not better than them. 156 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 4: It can be a very humbling experience. 157 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: But you got to go to work. You gotta go 158 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: to work. 159 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 4: You gotta believe yourself, but you got to put the 160 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 4: time in and go to work and see if you 161 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 4: can make it. 162 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 3: Happen. 163 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: Now one guy who doesn't fit. 164 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: We're talking about Jarvis Landry, who reported and he's going 165 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: to try out. He'll be on a tryout basis. And 166 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: this is a pretty common thing for older veterans to 167 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: attend to try out. It's not every team every year 168 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: does it, but it's it's common. Uh, he's a little 169 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: bit on the high end, five time pro bowler. What's 170 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: your take on? Just give me some thoughts on the 171 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry situation this weekend. 172 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: Very intriguing. 173 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 4: I'm very intrigued by the prospect that Jarvis Landry coming 174 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 4: through a rookie minicamp for the Jaguars. It means to 175 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 4: me that Jarvis Landry is willing to humble himself to try. 176 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 3: And work his way back into the league. 177 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 4: It also tells me that the Jaguars have some interest 178 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 4: in bringing him in if it goes well, and I'm 179 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 4: anticipating that it will go well at Ricky Minicamp and 180 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 4: the Jaguars sign up. 181 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 3: I think he would. 182 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 4: Be a very valuable commodity for this team as this 183 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 4: team has continued to kind of make change over the 184 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 4: locker room. Where you have more professionalism, you bring in 185 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 4: more experience, more leadership ability, and maybe even a little 186 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 4: edge when it comes to competitiveness. 187 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: He checks off all those boxes. 188 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 4: Jarvis Landry has that It's just a matter of one, 189 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 4: how does he look given the injury history that he's 190 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 4: had in the past. Two would he be willing to 191 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 4: accept a lesser role than he's had in the past. 192 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: Three Would he be a good fit in the locker room? 193 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 4: When it comes to the chemistry and continuity, Having known him, 194 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 4: having been around him, I don't think those issues are 195 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 4: going to be a part of It is just a 196 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 4: matter of how does he look and what's the comfort 197 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 4: level that Doug Peterson and Trim Balky have with bring 198 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 4: in an established veteran like him to play a complimentary 199 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 4: role to a team that. Look, you already have some 200 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 4: guys in plays Brian Thomas Junior gave Davis and those things. 201 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 4: How does all of that fit with some of the 202 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 4: other guys, Devin Duvernet and all that. But I think, man, 203 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 4: you're always looking to get good players, particularly good players, 204 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 4: and they're the right fit from a football character standpoint. 205 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, if he understands the situation, it's it's hard to 206 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: It's hard to see a negative beyond if you just 207 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: got frustrated not being sort of the guy I mean, 208 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: which at this point you would think that wouldn't be 209 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: a problem. 210 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 4: You think so, you know, but but look for him 211 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 4: to get to this point, you had to leave have 212 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 4: that conversation. You had to at least have a conversation 213 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 4: with Walker and say why would you want to come 214 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 4: play here? 215 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 3: Why do you want to come back? 216 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 4: Like, hey, we are already pretty situation. We got Christian 217 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 4: Kirk is a number one, Evan Ingram. Those are the 218 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 4: two top pass catches. We just signed Gabe Davis, We 219 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 4: just drafted the guy. Are you sure you're comfortable coming 220 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 4: here knowing that right now, at best you might be 221 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 4: positioned to be the wide receiver for right you know. 222 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 4: And so he had to say the right words to 223 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 4: be able to make it happen where he comes the camp. 224 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 4: And then it's a matter of you know, watching him 225 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 4: the first couple of days and then Doug Peterson having. 226 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: A one on one conversation and just trying to figure. 227 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 4: Out, hey, where are you at, Like what is your mentality? 228 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 4: Like what's your mindset? Like how do you feel that 229 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 4: you can help us? 230 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 3: You know? 231 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 4: How how far are you away from being peak Jarvis 232 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 4: Lander or can we get to that based on your injuries? 233 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 4: So I think it's Look, I think it's one that is. Look, 234 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 4: it could be a win win. 235 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 3: For both parties, A win win for the team and 236 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 3: for Jarvis Lander, because I think he would be a 237 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: nice fit on this team. 238 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 4: In the locker room, and I think he has some 239 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 4: value particularly late in the year when this team is 240 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 4: making a playoff push. 241 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 3: I think he could come through with some big plays. 242 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: Final topic for you, I go to a break is 243 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: a time of year, and I think it's it's a 244 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: valid topic for this team this year, the thought of 245 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: maybe maybe making one or two more roster moves sometime 246 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: between now and the end of training camp. People have 247 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: talked about maybe a corner, maybe an edge rusher. Those 248 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: are always sort of the spots they talk about this 249 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: time of year. What I'm curious about from you, Bucky, 250 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: how do teams sort of decide that and what's the 251 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: what's the process of it. There's more to it than 252 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: just saying, Hey, I'm going to sign a guy. Do 253 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: teams sort of say to players, hey, we're interested in 254 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: this position. We know that you're not quite ready to sign. 255 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: Some guys don't want to sign immediately. How do those 256 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: conversations work? 257 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 4: So those conversations, you begin to start the dialogue with 258 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 4: the veteran players that you're interested in bringing down the line. 259 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 4: Whether it's training camp, whether that's like before training camp, 260 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 4: whether that's he this may be a guy that we 261 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 4: get to week three or four in camp, we may 262 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 4: want to consider what you're doing. And it's funny because 263 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 4: as you talked about Ricky minicamps and like the other 264 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 4: mini camps whatever. But sometimes John, that first exposure can 265 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 4: change how a team feels. 266 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 3: About their depth situation. 267 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 4: Okay, ah man, we're looking at these other Maybe we 268 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 4: need a veteran presence. Maybe we need someone that has 269 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 4: had some PILs on the wall and the defensive backfield. 270 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 4: Let's let's have a veteran as a ready guy. Maybe 271 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 4: this is a guy that not only is a veteran, 272 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 4: a guy that is a candidate to come in for 273 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 4: training camp. Maybe he's someone we stash away on the 274 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 4: practice squad all year just in case edge rusher. 275 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 3: Do we have enough edge rush? Do we have enough firepower? 276 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 4: There's one thing to talk about, how Ryanilson wants to 277 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 4: play it's another thing to now let's get on the 278 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 4: field and let's actually evaluate the bodies. 279 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 3: Oh, we need to get more bodies. 280 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 4: And are these guys viable candidates to make rosters or 281 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 4: are they just camp fillers where you have enough to 282 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 4: provide the depth through camp. It's a conversation that you know, 283 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 4: as a general manager and the personnel. 284 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 3: Stuff you're always going through. 285 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 4: You're trying to set yourself up to have the best 286 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 4: training camp roster that you can have so that it 287 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 4: becomes a very competitive situation, in a situation where teams 288 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 4: want to pluck out from your roster because you really 289 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 4: got a good job of assembling a collection of talent. 290 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,599 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about where those moves might come, but 291 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: first we're gonna take a break on the Huddle Up Podcast. 292 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to the second half of this 293 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: week's Uddle Up Podcast. I'm John Osier sebbing in for 294 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: JP Shatterick. We're always joined by Bucky Brooks in this segment. 295 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: I'm a little worried about it, frankly, Bucky, because I'm 296 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: gonna give you a chance to consolidate an even more 297 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: power on this podcast, which is hard because it's already yours. 298 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: Your name's already on it. 299 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna do what I usually do, which is 300 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: answer questions from the fans. I'm gonna take some out 301 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: of my mail bag and let you answer them, which 302 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: means I don't know. Pretty soon you'll be doing my job, which, oh, okay, 303 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: that's what won't. 304 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 2: Be hard on. 305 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: You'll make even more money though, and it's hard to believe, 306 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: but certainly within your reach. So Bucky gets even more 307 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: powerful is the name of this segment, and the first 308 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: question would be, Bucky, this, what position? Sort of getting 309 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: back to what we were talking about, right for the break? 310 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: What position would you leave alone? What are you good with? 311 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: And which one are you concerned about enough to maybe 312 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: tweak before the I guess for training camp starts. 313 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 3: I feel good about the offensive line. 314 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 4: I feel good about the offensive line just based on 315 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 4: the veteran players, the players that would come over if 316 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 4: I had it would just be more so for depth, 317 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 4: I feel good about like the too deep at that position. 318 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 4: I have concerns still about the edge rusher position. I 319 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 4: think if there was a veteran out there, I would 320 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 4: try to throw one more gay into the mix. I 321 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 4: know last year Trayvon Walker and Josh Allen did a 322 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 4: really good job of kind of being available the entire year, 323 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 4: logged a lot of snaps. I think in this league 324 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 4: you need to have a third guy that can come 325 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 4: in and give you some of that sack production, because 326 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 4: it also will give you a chance to kick Trayvon 327 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 4: Walker down and maybe he can be one of those 328 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 4: sub package rushers on the interior. So I would say, 329 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 4: trying to see if there's an available pass rusher that 330 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 4: can come and help the team, that is always a 331 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 4: viable option. 332 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 3: It's always a place of concern. 333 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: My experience around edge rushers, and I guess a lot 334 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: of veterans are like this, but mainly edge rushers and receivers. 335 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: You get a little bit into the. 336 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: Diva category there a little bit. And when I say 337 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: that there may be the guy who doesn't really think 338 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: that they need to be there in May, but can 339 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: come in and training camp in August, I'm exaggerating. It's 340 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: not a fair stereotype, but that exists. Is that sort 341 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: of a thing for edge rushers, And I guess what 342 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: I'm getting at in the question is it seems like 343 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: that's a spot where if you wait until camp and 344 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: pick up a guy. The guy doesn't need to know 345 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: that much about your scheme that he needs to be 346 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: here during OTAs. It's pretty much ce passer, get passer. 347 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 4: Uh that is Look, that's that's something that is a 348 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 4: very real deal and it's one of the things that 349 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 4: you have to talk about with your team. Hey, we're 350 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 4: can bring this veteran in. He's Look, he doesn't want 351 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 4: to really go through all of the training camp stuff. 352 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 4: When is the drop dead date for us to sign 353 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 4: him to get him ready for week one? Is that 354 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 4: two weeks out? Is that three weeks out? When do 355 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 4: we need to have this conversation to. 356 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 3: Bring him in? And look, man, I think you're correct. 357 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 4: The position is a bit of a deep a position, 358 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 4: but it also is a position that doesn't require as 359 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 4: much schematic coaching. You still have to be taught, you know, 360 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 4: hand rushed ability, passed to pass, hand and hand combat 361 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 4: all that stuff, but pass rush is one of the 362 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 4: easier ones that you can just kind of line up 363 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 4: a guy off the street and kind of go if 364 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 4: he has like premiere talent, Right, this is a situation 365 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 4: where yeah, this is a situation where you're looking, you're 366 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 4: trying to figure out like who's available, and then just 367 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 4: all right, we're good, we're gonna sign up, We're gonn 368 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 4: bring them in. And normally it's a veteran who you've 369 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 4: got to kick kick dust off of needs a little 370 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 4: time to shake off the russ and then they. 371 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 3: Can kind of come in and make some place. 372 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: This next one is from uh Sean from oak Leaf. 373 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: Would you say the Jaguars have more depth than last year? 374 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: Less or about the same? And I kind of said 375 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: this bucket, you know, I said, probably a little more. 376 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 2: Uh in some spot. 377 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: I think they're deeper on the offensive line, deeper into 378 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: spots you like corner, not sure about. My only concern 379 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: with depth is uh A. It's a little bit of 380 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: a myth in the NFL because if you have if 381 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: you have one or two positions, if you have one 382 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: two players position get hurt, then it's pretty much Katie 383 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: bar the door. Nobody can really withstand that. Uh. And 384 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: you know, is it we thought they had depth last 385 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: year and they didn't. We didn't think they had depth 386 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, and they have two injuries on 387 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: the offensive line and withstand it. So it's sort of 388 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: about who gets hurt rather than specific depth. They didn't 389 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,479 Speaker 1: ever replace them. For Christian Kirk, it didn't matter how 390 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: deep they thought they were at receiver. So it's sort 391 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: of a tough question to answer in the broad element, right. 392 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 4: It is a tough question to answer in a broad element, 393 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 4: but it's one that you want to consistently ask because you. 394 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 3: Want to get better. 395 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 4: You want to get better at those places, and the 396 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 4: job of the gender manager is to continue to turn 397 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 4: the bottom third or the roster to make sure that 398 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 4: your depth is at a look it can compete at 399 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 4: a high level. 400 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 3: And so that means you have creatitive and you have 401 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 3: competitive battles. 402 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 4: To see who gets the jersey in terms of being 403 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 4: able to play on Sunday, and you want to bring 404 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 4: in players that can do that. 405 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 3: We've talked about, you know, whether it'say edge rusher, whether it's. 406 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 4: Are wide out or whatever, like just the importance of 407 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 4: having the steady eddy player that may need minimal. 408 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 3: Rest but they can play in a pinch. It's hard 409 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 3: to find those guys. 410 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 4: It's easy to say, oh, we're just signed a vetterment, 411 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 4: but it's harder to find those guys that are willing 412 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 4: to take that role. 413 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 3: And crush that role. 414 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: I guess they got rid of Photocosi and brought in Armstead, 415 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: So they're not really that much quote deeper on the 416 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: defensive line, but they feel deeper on the front seven, 417 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: don't they. 418 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 3: They're better. Yeah, let's call it what it is. They're 419 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 3: more talented, they're better, they have better fits. 420 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 4: I think we feel more confident about the football character 421 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 4: the guys that are here in terms of they're gonna 422 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 4: be energizer bunnies. They're gonna play hard, they're gonna do 423 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 4: all the things that you expect pros to do when 424 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 4: it comes to it. I believe, and we've talked about 425 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 4: this on the part previously, Doug Peterson made a concerted 426 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 4: effort to upgrade the professionalism amongst this team, meaning that 427 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 4: everybody that is here and on this team they're about ball. 428 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 4: Ball is important. They're willing to do the extra stuff. 429 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 4: You're not begging people to come in to work out. 430 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 3: And do all this other stuff. 431 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 4: The other thing that comes along with the professionalism, to me, 432 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 4: I think toughness. I think you go see a tougher 433 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 4: team and it's hard to imagine an offensive minded coach 434 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 4: a guy who's former quarterback who wants the offense to 435 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 4: throw it around, throw it all over the yard, to 436 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 4: want a team that has an edge. But when you 437 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 4: look at his Philly team, they won because they were 438 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 4: very edgy on defense. 439 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 3: And is this possible that two things can be true. 440 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 4: You're gonna have an explosive offense and you're gonna have 441 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 4: a nasty defense. 442 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 3: It requires you being very intentional about. 443 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 4: How you want that defense to play and how you 444 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 4: want that defense to carry themselves. 445 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: It's a good analogy. It does feel and I'm probably 446 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: getting this from you. You said it a few times. 447 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,719 Speaker 1: It feels like, you know, good seasons the first two seasons, 448 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: nine win seasons. But it felt like Doug after this 449 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: season looked at it and said, you know, it just 450 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: doesn't have that edge that I like. 451 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 2: Maybe he thought they might have it after the first year. 452 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: Wasn't quite sure because they had the nice comeback at 453 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: the end of the season, and then all of a 454 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: sudden in the second season. You know, I'm not saying 455 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: he didn't like that team. You know, it's way too strong, 456 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: but I think he saw things where, yeah, you know what, 457 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: we should just be a little better there, and that 458 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: you know, so I definitely see what you're talking about. 459 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: He definitely tried to make it a little more in 460 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: that image of just, hey, at some point, you guys, 461 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: you got to go win the game. And yeah, at 462 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: the end of the season, they didn't quite have that. 463 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 4: No, they didn't quite They didn't quite have that, and 464 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 4: they didn't have the toughness, the mental and physical toughness 465 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 4: that you need to compete at a high level. When 466 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 4: you're sitting at eight and three and you fall apart 467 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 4: down the stretch, what you're hoping for is you're hoping 468 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 4: that someone will kind of grab the bull bout of 469 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 4: horns and kind of right the ship. And it doesn't 470 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 4: have to be a person playing hero ball, but it 471 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 4: has to be someone that has the ability to galvanize 472 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 4: the unit and get the unit directed on the right path. 473 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 4: And we didn't necessarily seem that. And not only is 474 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 4: a team by think, but it even breaks down in 475 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 4: your position groups, to your your your units, where your. 476 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 3: Offensive, defensive, special team units. You have to have those 477 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 3: kind of leaders to be able to do it. 478 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 4: And so in talking about what you talked about, our 479 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 4: guys sitting and contemplating signings, some people, yes, but it 480 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 4: happened right on the eve of training. Can to give 481 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 4: those guys a chance to kind of learn the system 482 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 4: and make the team and. 483 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: What you're talking about, it's a hard thing to define, 484 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: but it's critical to have. So it's a weird thing 485 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: to try to bring on. You almost have to see it. 486 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: It's almost in a you know it when you see 487 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: it kind of thing. 488 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 3: Right. 489 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 1: So the last question, and it kind of circles back 490 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: to what we talked about a couple times at the 491 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: top about depth about the offensive line, Paul from Lake City, 492 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: Florida writes, does a veteran center and a fourth rounder 493 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: meaning Javon Foster, really change our line all that much? 494 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: The offensive line? I see a line that is one 495 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: or two injuries away from being ineffective again, and I'll 496 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: get out of the way. But I'll one thought, Bucky, 497 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: to me, every team in the NFL once eight offensive 498 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: lineman that can play. Most teams are trying to find five. 499 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: So offensive line depth is a bit of a myth. 500 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: I think this team's okay depth wise, but talk about 501 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: that because you mentioned the offensive line, and it's still 502 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: a question I get over and over and over again. 503 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: Why didn't they do more. Why didn't they do more? 504 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: Ezra Cleveland to me is basically a new signing. 505 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 2: You know, he didn't. 506 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: I think we really saw what he was at the 507 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: end of last year and Mitch Morse and Javon Foster. 508 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: That's not an overhaul. But that's a pretty big commitment, 509 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: is it not. 510 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 3: Ye? No, No, it's a big commitment and it's a 511 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 3: huge commitment. 512 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 4: And I think everyone has to understand because it is 513 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 4: always funny when we look at the center position and 514 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 4: we don't want to give it like a marquee name 515 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 4: or marquee title, but we've seen when you don't have 516 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 4: a dominant center, it is hard to win games. When 517 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 4: your center has struggles, whether it's the snap location or 518 00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 4: just being able to hold his own in one on 519 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 4: one blocks, it is. 520 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 3: Hard to move the football. 521 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 4: So Mitch Morris coming over like a gray beard, experienced 522 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 4: player who previously played under the Peterson for a little bit. 523 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 4: He gives them that veteran experience that he gives them 524 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 4: the consistent player. 525 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 3: That has played really well for the you know, at 526 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 3: the position for a long time. It really works. 527 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 4: And you couple that with what they have and Cam 528 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 4: Robinson as Cleveland Brendan Sheriff kind of being scrappy, and 529 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 4: the Anthoine Harrison. Look, this should be a very solid 530 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 4: offensive line, and yeah, I mean a very solid offense line. 531 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 3: If they can just control the line of scrimmage and. 532 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 4: Eventually impose their will on the defense, this offense will 533 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 4: hit thirty points per game because they need to be 534 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 4: able to run it enough to dictate what they want 535 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 4: to do in the passing game. 536 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: Wow, thrown out that thirty points again, that's what he 537 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: did last year. 538 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 4: I said, yeah, but I'm saying if I got more 539 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 4: quantifiers than there, if they protect him, if this, if that, 540 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 4: there's a lot of ifs in that, we may settle 541 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 4: in at twenty six per but the fire prior is 542 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 4: there where they can make big things. 543 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 3: As a matter of stand true. 544 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, so much of it is you've got to be 545 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: able to run when you want to run. And that 546 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: opened so many other things up. To me, that's the 547 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: key that they couldn't do and it bogged everything down. 548 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: And that's again to me about fixing the interior, which 549 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: I think they hope they did. So all right, that 550 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: is this week's edition of the Huddle Up Podcast. Thank you, Bucky, Brooks, JP, Shadick. 551 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: Everybody hopes or they praise will be back next week. 552 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: I'm John Oser Bucky, Thanks again and we'll see you 553 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: next week.