1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Body diets. But Joseph's gotten more. 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 2: You know, there are certain states around the country where 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: you can't really figure out where one ends and the 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: other begins. I've been to a lot of those locations, 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: and no words were ever truer regarding the boundaries between 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: rural Georgia and rural Alabama. 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: There is a road that. 8 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: Drifts off into the west, coming out of the town 9 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: or around the area of Carrollton, Georgia, heads for the 10 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: Georgia Alabama border. And look, if you cross the border 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: from one state and to the other, you couldn't really 12 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: tell where, you know, if you were still in one 13 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: state as opposed to the other. But you know, sometimes 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: on those lonely roads like that, some of the most 15 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: intriguing and curious cases happen. And that's kind of a 16 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: comment toward people that think only cool cases are really 17 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: interesting cases happen in big cities because they don't today 18 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: on body bags. I want to offer a comment on 19 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 2: a case that has happened in one such location, in 20 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 2: a little town that's not really on a map. It's unincorporated. 21 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: The name of the town is called tis Tis, Georgia, 22 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: and along this stretch of roadway bordered by pulpwood pines. 23 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 2: A double homicide has taken place, and a young woman 24 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: is about to go on trial. She's been accused of 25 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: the murder of both her mother and her stepfather. I'm 26 00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: Joseph gott Morgan and this is body Bags. You know, 27 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: Dave in saying what I had just commented on the opening, 28 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: It's amazing how many people will say they hear about 29 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: some kind of horrible crime and it happens in some 30 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: far forlong rural area and they'll say, I just can't 31 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 2: believe that happened here. And my answer to that is 32 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: the fact is that humans are humans no matter. 33 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: Where you go. 34 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: It's just that you get a tighter concentration of things, 35 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: a greater frequency in you know, in large urban areas. 36 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: But violence persist everywhere you go, or the potential, let 37 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: me put it to you that way, the potential for 38 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: violence and horror and all those sorts of things, and 39 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: no more so than in the case of the accused 40 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 2: Sarah Grace Patrick that we're talking about today. Brother. 41 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 3: You know, when this story first broke, it got a 42 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 3: lot of attention, you know, from a lot of different sources. 43 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: You and I talked about it We talked about it 44 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 3: on several different shows because it is one of those 45 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: things that you look at and go how, you know 46 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 3: how and what went on because you actually have a 47 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 3: behind closed door story here. You know you've got a 48 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 3: you have a blended family, and blended families, blended families 49 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 3: at their best are odd. You know they really are, 50 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 3: because you never know the inner workings oftentimes, and this 51 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: is I don't know that this is the case here, 52 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 3: but you know, whenever you have a parent, biological mom, stepparent, yep, 53 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 3: you know, biological father, there are going to be issues. 54 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 3: Even under the best of circumstances, there will be issues. 55 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 3: But as a child, and you and I both know 56 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 3: this on a personal level being raised in that environment, 57 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 3: a lot of times as a child, you suck it 58 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 3: up for the sake of peace in the family. You 59 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 3: don't say things that you would normally, that you would 60 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 3: say if they were both your biological mom and dad. 61 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 3: And the same is true with them. They treat things 62 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 3: much to it. It's just a different thing because everybody 63 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 3: is protecting everyone else, it seems. 64 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. 65 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: You kind of divide up into these camps and listen, 66 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: I got to tell you personally, I grew up in 67 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 2: the environment, and as an adult, I'm part of the 68 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: environment as well. You know, Kim and I. You know, 69 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 2: we've got a blended family. And it's it's not just 70 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: that dynamic that you're in the household with day in 71 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: and day out. It's also that added ingredient of all 72 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 2: the external stressors that come about with exes and all 73 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: those sorts of things. And they're the exes extended family 74 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 2: and you know who thinks this about this? And you know, 75 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff, That dynamic and it's a 76 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 2: weird kind of kind of circumstance. And then when you 77 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: have a child born into the environment that is becomes 78 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: a half half. 79 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 80 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that dynamic is so incredibly bizarre. And then 81 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: you throw on top of it teenage hood, uh into 82 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 2: that environment. You know. Uh, My my wife taught. My 83 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 2: wife taught middle school for for years and years, and 84 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 2: she she used to say, you will never come across 85 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 2: creature on the face of planet. That's that's more trying 86 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 2: of the soul, uh than a middle grade girl era. 87 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she would say, you know, boys 88 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: are just boys. 89 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: You know, they're going to tear stuff up they're gonna 90 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 2: flimbal stuff, They're gonna do stupid things. But and you know, 91 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. It's an interesting dynamic. It certainly is. 92 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: But Dave, I've never we cover a lot of stuff. 93 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: I don't recall a case like this that has come 94 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: to this level of violence where you've got a well 95 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: she was a child at the time, sixteen, that was 96 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: sixteen years old, that is being accused of something that 97 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: is this heinous man. 98 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: Well this Jamie and Kristen Brock were Actually they were 99 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 3: the poster parents for blended families. A lot of people 100 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: looked up to them. Now they have in their history 101 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 3: like we all do, dancing skeletons in the closet. And 102 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 3: I will tell you that it's difficult to get past 103 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 3: your past if you keep holding onto it. You know, 104 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 3: you have to put it in a You got to 105 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 3: leave the past where it belongs and move on on. 106 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 3: The problem is that not everybody can do that, especially 107 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 3: and you mentioned it the extended family of the blended family. 108 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 3: And so if you did something when you were a 109 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: twenty five year old man, and now it's fifteen years later, 110 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: you're forty and you've cleaned up your acts, You've got 111 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 3: a great job and a great family. You're respected in 112 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 3: the community and in church. You're very active and volunteering 113 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: for everything. Somebody's still going to say, yeah, but I 114 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 3: remember when I remember when you were twenty five, Dave, 115 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 3: and you got naked at that company Christmas party and 116 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 3: you were making photocopies of. 117 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: Your genitals look for everybody. 118 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Mary time you got your cookup of stuff 119 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 3: of your nose. 120 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm there. 121 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 3: I mean that you always have that, and so in 122 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 3: this case we have some of that going on. But 123 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: I pulled up one of the first reports that we 124 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 3: did on this on Nancy Grace, and this is what 125 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: I said. Jamie Brock and Kristen Brock are the couple 126 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 3: other family members look up to. They're a blended family, 127 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: each having children from other relationships Kristin. Kristin's sixteen year 128 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 3: old daughter, Sarah Grace Patrick, is living in the home 129 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: as Jamie and Kristen welcome their own little girl, completing 130 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 3: the yours mine in our scenario. Through all their happiness, 131 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: the Brocks have a dark cloud hanging over their heads. 132 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 3: Jamie Brock, known for his big heart full of love, 133 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 3: also happens to have a weak heart and needs a 134 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: transplant soon if he wants to see his children grow up. 135 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 3: Waiting on a heart transplant doesn't slow Jamie down. His 136 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 3: son Tristan says most people don't even know that his 137 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 3: father has an Elvad device LVAD. It's a mechanical pump 138 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 3: that is implanted to support a failing heart's left ventricle. 139 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 3: It's used as a bridge to a transplant, and Jamie 140 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 3: Brock is hoping he gets a transplant soon. He's forty 141 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 3: five years old. Joe, talk to me about what that 142 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 3: means in his life, having that device. 143 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 2: Well, he's saddled, you know, And I take exception to 144 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: the idea that no one would know he has to 145 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: literally carry around a packet with him everywhere he goes, 146 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: or be plugged in to a monitor. And that comes 147 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: into play here as well. In this particular case. You know, 148 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: you've got this thing that you are boat anchor to 149 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: forever and ever, you know, dependent upon the opportunity to 150 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: have access to a heart, a viable heart that's going 151 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: to pair up with you. The left ventricle of the 152 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 2: heart does a tremendous amount of work, and so that 153 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: heart wall gets weakened, right, and so you have to 154 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 2: have this LVAD that stimulates the heart. That the term 155 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: LVAD actually stands for left ventricular assist device. So it 156 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 2: effectively works in the sense that it's it has to 157 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 2: be surgically implanted, okay, to assist the left ventricle, and 158 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 2: it's going to to prompt the heart to continue to 159 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 2: function appropriately. And the thing about it is is that 160 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 2: without this you would be I don't know, have you 161 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: ever heard the term, dave? Have you ever heard the 162 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: term end stage? It's a medical term, Okay, So some 163 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: people get it confused with in staate I in state. 164 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: In the case of an ELVAD, this is indicative of 165 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 2: somebody that is without it. They are in end E 166 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 2: n D stage all over. Yeah, it's all over, but 167 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: the crime. So he, you know, he kind of walks 168 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 2: around with this hanging over there. Can you imagine walking 169 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: around day to day with a reminder of your frailty, 170 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: you know at that age, Yeah, you know, you're and 171 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 2: you know, we're talking about a guy that's not ancient 172 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: by any years old. Joe's forty five, and you know 173 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: he's he's out living life, and you know, you always 174 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: have this remained reminder, you know, kind of hanging around always, 175 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: and there's always that sound of the monitor no matter 176 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 2: where you go. It's really hard to escape. 177 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: You know. 178 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 3: There's an interesting thing written here, Joe. By the way, 179 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 3: the reason we're covering the story of Sarah Grace Patrick today. 180 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: The trial was scheduled to begin Monday, January fifth, but 181 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 3: they were waiting on one very specific report, and they 182 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 3: being the prosecution and the defense, and they didn't get 183 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 3: that report before the Christmas holiday break, and when they 184 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 3: had the they actually had a court meeting the first 185 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 3: or second week of December, and the judge said, hey, 186 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 3: is everybody right. It's a really truncated timetable here. I 187 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 3: mean we're talking about they arrested her in July, Sarah 188 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: Grace Patrick. They arrested her for the double homicide of 189 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 3: her mom and stepfather, And here we are six months 190 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 3: later less and they're saying, yeah, we're ready to go. 191 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 2: And well, I got to tell you this is kind 192 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 2: of interesting, David. This is something I don't that you 193 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: don't normally see with frequency. The judge in this particular 194 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: case has been very aggressive, like he's staying with what 195 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 2: has been termed as an aggressive timeline moving forward and 196 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: one of the one of the fascinating things about this case, 197 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: and it's kind of drawn me to it. I literally 198 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: drive through this area with great frequency because my grandchildren 199 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 2: live over in Georgia, so I have to pass through 200 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: this area. And for any of you guys that followed 201 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 2: me on Instagram and you know those things like that, 202 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: you'll see that I am absolutely totally in love with 203 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 2: my grandchildren. And right now we're coming off holidays. I've 204 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 2: got baby brain right now. Welcome, welcome, rest right now. 205 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 2: They'll be going back to school soon. Anyway, I digress. Yeah, 206 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: you know, it really captured my imagination. Because this case 207 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: they have not released a tremendous amount of information. However, 208 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 2: I will tell you this. It happened in Carroll County, Georgia. 209 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 2: And the thing about it is is that it's not 210 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: merely the Carroll County Sheriff's Office that's investigating this case. 211 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 2: It's also the GBI and the FBI. They've you know, 212 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: in this case out there on that stretch of road. 213 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 2: This is not something that you would that you're going 214 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: to see. I mean, it's so and the thing about it, 215 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 2: you know, how I talked about concentration. Many times violence 216 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: seems a location seems more violent. I think a lot 217 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: of it has to do with population density. And when 218 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: I say you go through this area, you can go 219 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 2: a mile and not see a house. Wow, all right, 220 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: And it's that sparsely, you know, populated. There's not a 221 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: lot of concentration. So the idea that something like this 222 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 2: that has occurred in this location is it must be 223 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 2: because this is. 224 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: A real rural area. 225 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 2: When you drive through its pasture lands, some of the prettiest, 226 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 2: prettiest countryside you've ever seen. You're driving through there and 227 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: you've got cows and you've got horn, you know, and 228 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 2: stuff like this just doesn't happen out there, or it 229 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 2: seems like it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen because there's 230 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: not this huge concentration of population. But Dave, I got 231 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: to tell you, how did kind of run it down 232 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: to us about how all this came about and people 233 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: became aware of it. 234 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 3: You know, back to the geography. I always think of 235 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 3: traveling light from Atlanta to Birmingham on I twenty yeah, 236 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 3: straight shot, and you know, this is one of those areas. 237 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 3: As you arrived from Alabama into Georgia. You know, you've 238 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 3: got Carrollton. That's one of the first Tallapoosa Carrollton. And 239 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 3: so that's why I was wondering how that affected you 240 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 3: and your driving back and forth to Georgia, you know, 241 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 3: in that area. But on the morning of February twentieth, 242 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 3: and I'm talking about twenty twenty five. Again, this is 243 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 3: something that is so recent, it has not even been 244 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 3: a year. 245 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: And again back to the judge aggressive tomline. 246 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 3: Lady, Okay, I do have a question for you about 247 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 3: that in how it impacts you and what you do. 248 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 3: But February twentieth, early morning, five year old daughter of 249 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 3: Jamie and Kristen Brocken goes to her parents bedroom to 250 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 3: wake them up. Now that's her mom and dad. Remember 251 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 3: how we talked about blended family yours mine hours. She 252 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 3: goes into their bedroom to wake them up because they're 253 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 3: usually up, and they're not. And when she goes to 254 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: her parents bedroom, what she sees is enough to make 255 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 3: her run away from the bedroom. Her sixteen year old sister, 256 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 3: Sarah Grace Patrick, grabs her in hey, what's going on, 257 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 3: goes and looks and immediately calls nine one one. What 258 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 3: the five year old discovered was her mother and father 259 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 3: dead in their bed, their bodies riddled with bullets. On 260 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 3: the phone with nine one one, Sarah Grace tells the 261 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 3: dispatcher the bodies are cold to the touch. Passed the 262 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 3: need to do CPR because that is the first thing 263 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: the nine one one operator wants. 264 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: To do, yeap. That is, they want to know, can 265 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: you do CPR? 266 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: And they'll talk you through it, and they're pretty persistent 267 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: about that about doing it, and which we've seen on 268 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 3: a number of occasions Joseph Scott Morgan where a suspect 269 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 3: in a crime I didn't really do it, you know, 270 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 3: or didn't give it there all, which is fascinating to 271 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 3: me when you're talking about a loved one that anyway. 272 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 2: So well, hey, look he immediately had an immediate recall 273 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: on Ellen. 274 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: Yep, that's what I was thinking about, you know, where. 275 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 2: Oh my god, she's got a knife, you know, and 276 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: he's asking all these questions, you know, because nine one 277 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 2: one operator at that point in time up there in 278 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 2: that case up in Philly, you know she didn't. This 279 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 2: is not some big mystery. At that point, they're trying 280 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 2: to save the person's life and so you're going to 281 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 2: be asking the caller can you do nine one one? 282 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: And it's interesting, you know that she would, you know, 283 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: have the presence of mind to say that the other 284 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 2: they're cold, they're cold. I found that, you know, kind 285 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 2: of kind of fascinating. 286 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 3: Well, the Carroll County Sheriff's Department on the scene within minutes, 287 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 3: began looking over the scene, and you know that doesn't 288 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 3: there's no sign of a forced entry. There is a 289 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 3: door that does seem a bit a jar. But investigators 290 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 3: spent all day at the home, coming over the evident, 291 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 3: at the residents, looking for any evidence. They spoke to neighbors, 292 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 3: and they looked at surveillance videos. The home ends up 293 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 3: surrounded by police cruisers. It's all roped off because they 294 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 3: don't know what they're looking at. They know, think about it. 295 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 3: The five year old discovered the bodies of her parents, 296 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 3: and the sixteen year old daughter called police. Now there 297 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 3: is one tip here, Joe. And it's interesting because you know, 298 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 3: I said at the beginning that the family, this is 299 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 3: a family that people looked up to, you know, because 300 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 3: of how they had been able to blend their families 301 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: and the relationships between Sarah Grace Patrick and her mom 302 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 3: and stepfather. Well, after this happened, a few things came out. 303 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: One was, prior. 304 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 3: To any of this stuff happening, Jamie Brock actually was 305 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 3: talking to his niece, Kristen Dowda, and Kristen was going 306 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 3: on and on about how wonderful she thought Sarah was, 307 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 3: you know, as a sixteen year old girl, and what 308 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 3: a great job you know, Jamie had done, you know, 309 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 3: with her. And Jamie actually tells Kristen Dowda that Sarah 310 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 3: is not what she seems to be, not what she 311 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 3: appears to be to everybody else. He actually tells his 312 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 3: favorite niece, you don't see what I see. You don't 313 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 3: live in the home with her. So fast forward to 314 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 3: this taking place. Kristin Dauda, the niece, remembers that cool. Yeah. 315 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 3: So police are looking over the crime scene and they've 316 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 3: got the investigators trying to figure out what could it 317 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 3: possibly happened? Yeah, and now we've got Kristen data saying, hey, 318 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 3: she that Sarah Grace Patrick might not be the person 319 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 3: she appears to be. 320 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: Yeah. 321 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I got to tell you I've seen I 322 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 2: don't know if you had an opportunity day I was 323 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: on Court TV with Vinnie Politan. I don't know how 324 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 2: long ago, it was maybe months so ago, because they 325 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 2: were they knew that this case was coming up, and 326 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 2: Vinnie brought me on to talk about it. I got 327 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: to see the images of the house and exterior images, 328 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 2: and they may have had a floor plan too. 329 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: What did you think of it when you saw the. 330 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: Exterimey time, Well, it's its need. It's not you know, 331 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 2: or anything like that. It looks like it may have 332 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 2: had an add on in the backside. It's kind of 333 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: it's it's typical of. 334 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: A rural home, a little home. 335 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: This is no mansion. I can't imagine that this thing 336 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 2: is any larger than maybe eighteen hundred square feet perhaps. 337 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: And so you've got mom, dad, You've got a sixteen 338 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 2: year old, and you've got at the time a five 339 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 2: year old, you know, living in this house. I don't 340 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: know about you, but you know, if you hear things, 341 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: you know when you live in proximity to one. There's 342 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: nothing that's private in any of these environments. And what 343 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: has always fascinated I say, always like it's gone on 344 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 2: for a long long time. This is you know, from 345 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five But what really caught my ear, and 346 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 2: no pun intended here, was the fact that this young 347 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 2: lady says that she didn't hear any gunshots during the night, 348 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 2: and Dave, this is you're talking about from the way 349 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: we have heard it. Hell is being unleashed in this room, 350 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 2: right okay. 351 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: And you know my. 352 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: First thought was, okay, well, if she's not involved with it, 353 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,479 Speaker 2: which they have accused her of being involved in it, 354 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 2: did someone come in with a suppressed weapon and who 355 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 2: would target a middle aged couple, including a man that is, 356 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: as we've already established, is infirmed to the point where 357 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 2: he has to walk around with this ELVAD on where 358 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: he will die if he does not have this thing on. 359 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: He presents no real threat. 360 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 2: I can't I can't imagine, you know, I don't know. 361 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: I didn't know the man personally. I never was face 362 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: to face with him to have you know, conversation with him. 363 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 2: Generally with if you require an LVAD, there's a bit 364 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: of fatigue, you know, that kind of comes about, as 365 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: you can imagine, if the thing is not sufficient to 366 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 2: the task, and also if there's any other kind of 367 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 2: external you know, medical conditions that you might have that 368 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 2: you know, that it gets more and more complicated. So 369 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 2: the point is is that I cannot see this guy 370 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 2: being a threat, but it sounds you know, because they 371 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 2: keep using the term multiple gunshot wounds, and again me, 372 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 2: I'm thinking, well, this automatically goes to this is a 373 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 2: semi automatic weapon that has been used in this particular case. 374 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: If they are both in the bedroom, which it sounds 375 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 2: like they are, I don't really know, and they haven't 376 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 2: released this information. When we think about what's referred to 377 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 2: as positionality, you know, the that can refer to two 378 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: separate things in forensics. Position if you've got multiple victims, 379 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 2: position is relationship between two victims. And I'm talking about 380 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: physical in a physical sense when you're observing the crime scene, 381 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 2: and then you can have positionality relative to the perpetrator, 382 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 2: the alleged perpetrator, as the shooter, you know, what was 383 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 2: their position relative to the victim or the intended targets. 384 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: So you're in a confined space. You've got this weapon 385 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,719 Speaker 2: that's going off multiple times. And for those of you 386 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 2: that have never out there, that have never heard the 387 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 2: report of let's just pick out a standard caliber, a 388 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 2: nine to millimeter weapon that goes off in a small, 389 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 2: confined space. If you ever get a chance to go 390 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,719 Speaker 2: to an indoor firing range and you're on the shooting 391 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 2: line with people, I wouldn't recommend this, but if you're 392 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 2: in there and you don't have on your hearing protection, 393 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 2: you get a sense of what it's like inside of 394 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 2: an environment that's closed in when a weapon goes off. 395 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: Just think about being in a tiny house and a 396 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: weapon goes off multiple times. You're talking about with a 397 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 2: non suppressed weapon. You're talking about repeated thunderclaps that would 398 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 2: come in really tight succession to one another. It is 399 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 2: enough to wake anybody up. What's fascinating is that when 400 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 2: she gave statement, Sarah Grace Patrick, she stated that she 401 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: did not hear gunshots, and that brings me to the 402 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: five year old. Did the five year old hear gunshots? 403 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: And we don't know. We know that the child has 404 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 2: been interviewed, and it's really amazing what you can glean 405 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 2: from a five year old. I mean, they don't hold 406 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 2: back most of the time. If they know something, they're 407 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 2: going to say something most of the time. If you 408 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: have the right person in there conducting the interview with them, 409 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 2: and they'll tell you you know, God's honest truth about 410 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 2: what you know. Gee, I woke up and you know, 411 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 2: and I found mommy and Daddy deceased. Or yeah, I 412 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 2: heard something scary last night. Okay, you heard something scary 413 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 2: last night. Let's talk about that. 414 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: What was that was? 415 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 2: What was so scary about it? And then I was 416 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 2: so afraid I didn't get back up out of it. 417 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 2: I didn't get out of the bed. I just stayed 418 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 2: in bed. So we don't really know what that dynamic 419 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 2: is like at this point in time. Another interesting piece 420 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 2: to this because Dave, you know, there's no signs of 421 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 2: forced entry at this scene, no signs of forced entry 422 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: at the scene. You've got this door that is unsecured. 423 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 2: I think Sarah Patrick's biological father took a picture of 424 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 2: the door, if I'm not mistaken, someone in her camp 425 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 2: to picture of the door and posted it out there. 426 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 2: And when you see it, now, you know you can't 427 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 2: look at a picture and say, well, mechanically I can 428 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 2: state that this was forced forced entry or this is 429 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 2: the condition of the door, all right, which is an 430 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 2: interesting thing in forensics we have to do. And just 431 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 2: let me break this down for you. When you when 432 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 2: you show up at a scene. You always have to 433 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 2: understand that people's normal way of living is not necessarily 434 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 2: your normal. 435 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: Way of living. 436 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: Okay, so I've been to I've been to scenes. I've 437 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,719 Speaker 2: been to scenes Dave where I would walk in and 438 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 2: I would say, this place is a pigsty. 439 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: It's horrible. 440 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 2: I can't tell the difference. It was there actually a 441 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 2: struggle in here, or is this the normal way that 442 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 2: they're living. And I'm not saying that that was the 443 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 2: condition of the interior of their house. What I'm saying, 444 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 2: is this lock in particular, or this door, if it 445 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: is compromised in some way, maybe it's been like that 446 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 2: for a long long time. 447 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. 448 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: Did somebody jimmy the lock in some way? Did somebody 449 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 2: arrange it so that they could get access to it? 450 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 2: How easy is it to defeat this lock? Did they 451 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 2: commonly leave it locked or did they commonly. 452 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: Leave it open? You know? 453 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 2: What's the old adage about? Yeah, well, I remember growing 454 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 2: up in a place where we always kept the doors unlocked, 455 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 2: you know, so it's hard to stay you know, now 456 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 2: what may have been the status of that door. But 457 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: there's a lot of evidence at the scene in regards 458 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 2: to the door. Also the idea of going back into 459 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 2: the bedroom and the they're talking about multiple gunshot woundes, 460 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 2: so that means we've got multiple casings. There's going to 461 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: be casings everywhere at the scene, and their distribution doesn't 462 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 2: really play into this because you can't predict casing is 463 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 2: going to bounce. What's going to be interesting is to 464 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 2: try to understand the trajectory of the rounds. But the casings. 465 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 2: The casings can in fact give you an indication of 466 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 2: obviously the caliber of the weapon. The projectiles can give 467 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 2: you a ballistic fingerprint about the weapon. But here's the problem. 468 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: At this point, there ain't no weapon, Dave. One of 469 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: the more troubling as if there's not a lot already, 470 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 2: one of the more troubling aspects of this case is 471 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 2: that they allegedly have not found a weapon. And my 472 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: thought was this ought to be easy. When I first 473 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 2: heard about the case, and before I knew that bit, 474 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 2: my thought was, well, this is a sixteen year old. 475 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 2: They're accusing her, They're saying she did it. How does 476 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 2: a sixteen year old get access to the semi automatic handgun? Now, 477 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 2: I know it happens all over the place, but that's 478 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 2: a big reveal. It's not like a sixteen year old 479 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 2: is going to walk into a gun store and say, yeah, 480 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 2: I want that pink nine milimeter that you have there, 481 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 2: you know, because those do exist. They I've also seen 482 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 2: them in turquoise. You can get turquoise non milimeters. Come on, 483 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 2: that's there, you go. But you know, that's a big 484 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 2: piece that when you agree, Dave, it's like, how do 485 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 2: you get access to this? And so I'm always thinking, 486 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 2: you know, is it a familial connection? Did the family 487 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 2: keep guns inside the house. My understanding is that, as 488 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 2: much as I hate to say this, I think dad 489 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 2: was convicted fell I don't think he could have weapons. 490 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yeah? And that's fun. 491 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 3: I was talking earlier about our past, you know, and 492 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 3: many of us make decisions as we grow up that 493 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 3: don't necessarily reflect the person we are now, but cause 494 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 3: us problems. It happens, and so I go to the 495 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 3: I go to this end of it. We're in an 496 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 3: area in the southeastern part of the United States of 497 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 3: America where having guns is not that big of a deal, 498 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 3: and almost all of us have guns, but we have areas. 499 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 3: I mean, we live in a rural environment, our most 500 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 3: congested area. For people who live in Chicago, New York, LA. 501 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 3: You know, our most congested area is your most rural area. Okay, 502 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 3: it's really a different lifestyle. So guns to me are 503 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 3: just different that were raised around them. Now I have 504 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 3: a question for you, though, Joe, and we've got a 505 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 3: couple of them, because during the holidays, you've been on 506 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 3: Fox News and you have been quoted as saying talking 507 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 3: about the world of digital forensics and how it plays 508 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 3: into solving crimes. And there are a couple of things 509 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 3: here about this case that I'm hoping you can delve 510 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 3: into for me because Sarah grayce Patrick sixteen years old 511 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 3: at the time of this now seventeen, spends a lot 512 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 3: of time on social media, specifically TikTok, and she has 513 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 3: posted a lot of information beyond that. We also have 514 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 3: a real red flag from her eulogy in the days 515 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 3: after the murders took place. And there's something else I 516 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 3: have to ask you, though, We'll come to those, all Right. 517 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 3: At the crime scene, you've got two dead bodies in 518 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,719 Speaker 3: a bed. So the assumption I make is that they 519 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 3: were asleep when they were shot. I'm making that assumption 520 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 3: only because they said they being law enforcement, said they 521 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 3: were found in the bed. We know that Jamie Brock 522 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 3: is mechanically tied to the ELVAD for his heart, so 523 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 3: if somebody were to come in and kill them, we 524 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 3: know that it was sometime between the time the little 525 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 3: girl went to bed that night before and the time 526 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 3: she wakes up the next morning to about the five 527 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 3: year old who found them in that area here and 528 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 3: they were cold to the touch. Yes, according to Sarah 529 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 3: Grace Patrick on the nine one one call, all right, 530 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 3: they're found in bed shot to death. You mentioned trying 531 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 3: to find the angle of bullets, to the trajectory of 532 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 3: the bullets and figuring this out. But Joe, if somebody's 533 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 3: laying in bed on their side and they are shot, 534 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 3: causing their body to move. So I'm laying on my 535 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 3: right hand side, left towards the ceiling, and I get 536 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 3: shot in the chest and it rolls me over and 537 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 3: I get shot again, and now it hits me in 538 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 3: the chest. You know, how are you going to determine 539 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 3: a which one will came first and the trajectory Where 540 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 3: was the shooter standing? 541 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, that's an I didn't see that coming. 542 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 2: That's an excellent question. Trajectory itself is well, first off, 543 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 2: let's go to order. You can't. You can't tell order. 544 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 2: There's no way you can't tell order with gunshot wounds, 545 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 2: with with stab ones, you just can't. I mean, I 546 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 2: think that people think that we can, but we really can't. 547 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: We're fascinated with that too, Yeah, we. 548 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 2: Really are, because people want to know, you know, particularly 549 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 2: if you've got multiple gunshot wounds and you've got because 550 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 2: in autopsy report, when you read the autopsy report or 551 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 2: they'll lay it out pretty succinctly, not in the in 552 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 2: the listing, like the actual granular listing of the gunshot wounds, 553 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 2: but they'll go if you look at the cause of death, 554 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 2: they will state in the cause of death most of 555 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 2: the time, depending upon how thorough the forensic pathologists is, 556 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,919 Speaker 2: which gunshot wound is actually the coup to gras, okay, 557 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 2: the fatal one, you know. 558 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: Now. 559 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 2: Trajectory that's interesting because it's rather it's very dynamic, not 560 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 2: as dynamic in a bed as it is say, for instance, 561 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 2: out on the street if somebody's kind of dancing and 562 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,240 Speaker 2: you've got somebody walking around doing what's called slicing the pie, 563 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 2: which is where you're firing and you're having to it's 564 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 2: not really slicing the pie, but you're you're having to 565 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 2: adjust because people don't stay static mostly and if they 566 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 2: see a weapon, they're going to duck and all this 567 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 2: stuff and how much of a reaction would there have 568 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 2: been with them, because I've seen people that take the 569 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 2: first shot and they don't move from that position. They'll 570 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 2: get shot in the chest, they'll get shot in the head, 571 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 2: and then subsequent you know, rounds are fired into their body. 572 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 2: What's really interesting is you can actually kind of see 573 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 2: movement of a body if you've got like when you 574 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 2: put the trajectory rods through the gunshot wounds, you can 575 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 2: see I've seen cases where we've used rods where people 576 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 2: look like porcupines, you know, where literally you've got multiple 577 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 2: rods sticking out of the body and you look at 578 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 2: this and you think, oh my lord, this is really 579 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 2: really intensely dynamic. You know, person's moving about or the 580 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 2: perpetrator is moving about. The other interesting thing, too, is 581 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 2: the height ratio. Okay, you know, when you begin to 582 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 2: think if you've got some towering dude that walks in, Okay, 583 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 2: you've got some big burly guy that's you know, six six', 584 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 2: two all, right and he's holding a weapon and he 585 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 2: fires into somebody that's lying in front of. Him that 586 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,839 Speaker 2: that relationship is completely different than a sixteen year old. 587 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 2: Girl and forgive, ME i don't know her. Height let's 588 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 2: just say she's five to. Four you, know that kind 589 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 2: of skews skews from what you would think with a grown. Man, 590 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 2: Okay So i'd like to know when THE, gbi AND 591 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 2: i think that if you were asking me who handled 592 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 2: it at the, Scene i'd say THE gbi responded out, 593 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,800 Speaker 2: There probably The Georgia bureau Of investigation and their crime 594 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 2: scene reconstructionists came out, there and they would have painstakingly 595 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 2: gone through that case with a fine tooth, comb pulling, 596 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 2: trajectories taking a look at the position of the. Bodies 597 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 2: these bodies probably would not have been removed from the 598 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 2: scene real quickly because when they see this, DAY i 599 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 2: can tell you the, investigators when they see, this they're 600 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 2: going to. Think they're going to think this is so 601 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 2: far out of bounds that we've really got to take 602 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 2: our time with. This this is an execution style. Event 603 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 2: and they're also they're knowing they're going to have to 604 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 2: watch their p's and q's with. THIS i would think 605 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 2: that the level of intensity out there to collective and. 606 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 2: Not we have to understand that when you've got two people, 607 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 2: dead it's not one. Case if you look at it 608 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 2: from the perspective of lives being. Taken you've got two separate. Cases. 609 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,760 Speaker 2: Here now it's the same, event but you've got two separate. 610 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 2: Cases you, know you've got to count, here and you've 611 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 2: got to count here and, so and then you compile 612 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,800 Speaker 2: all this and you have to. Worry it gets, really really. 613 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 2: Complex the more bodies you add on to this, thing 614 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 2: the more. Complex that's, why you, know if we have 615 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 2: like a mass shooting, event, okay people think, that well 616 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,439 Speaker 2: you got a mass, shooting just walk in and he's. 617 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 2: No every dead body that you have that's an individual 618 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 2: count and you have to, well you have to give 619 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 2: them their. Due you, know everybody's equal under the, law. 620 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 3: RIGHT i remember you pleading it to, me AND i 621 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 3: was shocked at the amount of. Work And i'm not 622 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 3: diminishing anything about the human beings associated with a mass, 623 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 3: fatality BUT i remember you were talking about one In, 624 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 3: birmingham and you were talking about the number of casualties 625 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 3: and the number of cases and the number of because 626 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 3: you've got to know where did this person, die when 627 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 3: did they, die how did they, Die and it's not 628 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 3: just that, one but it's everybody. Else and in this, 629 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 3: case we do have two people dead in the, bed 630 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 3: but we don't. Know we don't have enough information, yet we. 631 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 2: Don't you AND, i, well it would, Seem, dave that 632 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 2: according to what you had said, earlier we do have 633 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 2: some information or we have some insight into what was 634 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,240 Speaker 2: going on With Sarah Grace patrick relative to her. Electronics. 635 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 3: Man you, know it's interesting that in the time AFTER 636 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 3: i remember this happened In, february and between the time 637 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,879 Speaker 3: of the double homicide and the time That Sarah Grayce 638 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 3: patrick was, arrested it was, Months, joe it wasn't. Days, 639 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 3: months and it was an unsolved double. Homicide And Sarah Grace, patrick, 640 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 3: well first things, first at the funeral, service the celebration 641 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 3: of life or whatever you want to call, It Sarah 642 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 3: Grace patrick delivered a very long. Eulogy and this is 643 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 3: not a videotaped presentation like many are these, days BUT 644 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 3: i did see it because somebody at the funeral actually 645 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 3: got a video on their cell phone Of sarah Grayce patrick's, 646 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 3: eulogy And i'm going to tell you. What man watching 647 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 3: it multiple times and then looking at the reaction of family, 648 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 3: members this eulogy is a huge red. 649 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 1: Flag. 650 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 3: Joe you KNOW i Mentioned Christa, Douda Kristen, douda or 651 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 3: the niece Of. Jamie she sat in the front road 652 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,280 Speaker 3: during the service and says that even Though Sarah Grace 653 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 3: patrick sounds like she's crying during the course of this, 654 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:17,319 Speaker 3: eulogy very long, eulogy there are no. Tears sounds like 655 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 3: it sounds like she's, crying but there are no. Tears 656 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 3: and then Then Joseph Scott morgan at the, end she, 657 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 3: Says i'm. Sorry, now many people saw that as an 658 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 3: admission that she was. Sorry she, Says i'm. 659 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: Sorry. 660 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 3: Okay NOW i don't know that there could be so 661 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 3: many things that that would. Mean but here we have 662 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 3: is this is in the days following the. Murders now 663 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 3: we're talking about as the days go, by there is no, 664 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 3: arrest And sarah Grayce patrick takes to TikTok because, well 665 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 3: there's no attention being placed on this double, homicide and 666 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 3: she's reaching out to people. Online she's reaching out to cry, 667 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 3: people people who do reporting on TikTok and what have, 668 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:07,880 Speaker 3: you trying to get. Attention she's seeking. Attention Joseph Scott. 669 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 3: Morgan the now seventeen year Old sarah Grayce patrick doesn't 670 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 3: want this case to go. Away she needs the, attention 671 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 3: and that is another red flag for many. 672 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: People, yeah it all depends on. 673 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,840 Speaker 2: Often to the world of, attorneys it all depends on 674 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 2: how you frame. Attention AND i can tell you in this, 675 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 2: trial this is going to be a big issue. HERE 676 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 2: i can see it, coming you, know fifty miles. Away 677 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 2: they're going to look at this and they're going to 678 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 2: want to, know, well she's being the good daughter, here you, 679 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 2: know come and look at my mom and my stepdad's double. 680 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 2: Homicide that's not getting. Attention or she, can AS i have, 681 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,760 Speaker 2: seen she can get on social media with a miscarra 682 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 2: holding down her, face WHICH i never. Understand that's a 683 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 2: very personal. Thing why do people do? THAT i Don't 684 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 2: i've never understood. That it's it's your. World you do 685 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 2: what you got to, do but just kind of open, 686 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 2: weeping you, know, purging you, know and there's imagery of 687 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 2: her doing that, well let's just say you're trying to 688 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,760 Speaker 2: set something up to make it appear in a particular. 689 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 2: Way and nowadays that's easy to, do you, know on you, 690 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 2: know on on social. Media, RIGHT i could go stand 691 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 2: in front Of Evander holfield's former home over over In, 692 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 2: georgia you, know which is, massive AND i could, say, 693 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,799 Speaker 2: yeah this is my. Crib you. Know it's, like, no it. 694 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 2: Ain't i'm just out here with a, camera you. Know 695 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 2: and how much more so when you get into the 696 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 2: detail about this and this this weird thing that's going 697 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 2: on where she's reaching out to. People so one of 698 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 2: the QUESTIONS i think at trial is going to, be, 699 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,840 Speaker 2: well what does this? MEAN i don't, know BUT i 700 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 2: do know. THIS i know that social media and electronic 701 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,799 Speaker 2: media are going to play a major role in this 702 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:21,440 Speaker 2: relative to relative to what she did at any particular, 703 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 2: time was she having contact with anybody? Else and let 704 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,800 Speaker 2: me tell, YOU i didn't address. THIS i completely. Forgot 705 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,879 Speaker 2: you know what else is going to play a role 706 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,839 Speaker 2: in this that is? Electronic is THAT elvad? Machine oh? 707 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 2: Wow AND i think the reason is is that she 708 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 2: had claimed at one point in time she heard his 709 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 2: alarm going off multiple times through the, night WHICH i 710 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,359 Speaker 2: think this alarm is really. 711 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:48,720 Speaker 1: Loud. 712 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 2: Wow and if this thing is monitoring his heart and 713 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,840 Speaker 2: he's hooked up to, It, dave there's going to be 714 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,800 Speaker 2: a like an electronic footpri as to when his heart stopped. 715 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 2: Beating let that sink in just for a. Second you 716 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 2: talk about silent witness to this. Thing that's going to 717 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 2: be interesting because in the case we might ACTUALLY i 718 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 2: guess the forensic pathologists can. Testripe but wouldn't it be 719 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 2: cool if if you had, to if they brought in 720 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,360 Speaker 2: a cardiologist to talk about this? Machine and this is 721 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 2: a science geek coming out of, me all, RIGHT i 722 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,600 Speaker 2: know that you had a cardiologist, come you, know come 723 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,880 Speaker 2: and talk, about you, know how does an albad? Work 724 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,919 Speaker 2: and what can we actually? Tell can you tell by 725 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,799 Speaker 2: using this? Device can you tell when heart stoppage? Occurs you, 726 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,359 Speaker 2: know when they went into a critical? Mode oh here's the, Thing. 727 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 2: Dave can you tell was death's? Sudden you? Know by 728 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,720 Speaker 2: virtue of the heart? Rhythm you. Know can you see 729 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 2: where the heart begins to kind of taper off here 730 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,840 Speaker 2: and he finally slips off and. Succumbs isn't that fascinating 731 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 2: when you think about, that not to mention any kind 732 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 2: of surveillance video that they have around which they have 733 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:11,399 Speaker 2: alluded to and Heard i've heard investigators or at least 734 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 2: the press releases that have come, out they're using the 735 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 2: term mountains of, day mountains of digital. Data but we've 736 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:26,480 Speaker 2: come into information just this. Morning there's a what's this 737 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,480 Speaker 2: thing called a neuro psychiatric or neuropsychology, report. 738 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:36,400 Speaker 3: A forensic neuropsychologist, report and this was part of the 739 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,839 Speaker 3: discussion a couple of weeks ago in court when they 740 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,920 Speaker 3: were determining are we set to go for a trial 741 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 3: On january? Fifth and prosecution and defense attorney said, yes 742 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 3: except we are waiting on this report from Doctor Robert. 743 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 3: Schaefer Doctor Robert shaeffer is a forensic, neuropsychologist and they 744 00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,440 Speaker 3: were waiting on his report on he Evaluated Sarah gray's 745 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,440 Speaker 3: back In, august and they were waiting on this report 746 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,799 Speaker 3: to determine whether they could move, Forward, Joe and what 747 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,880 Speaker 3: they found out is the contents have not been. Disclosed, 748 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,279 Speaker 3: okay we don't know what Doctor schaeffer came up. With 749 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,480 Speaker 3: we have no clue on. That but what we do 750 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 3: know is that a couple of weeks ago trials set 751 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 3: For january, fifth going forward, beginning and then we know 752 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,720 Speaker 3: that on the morning Of, Monday january, fifth the report 753 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 3: was then apparently turned over to prosecution and defense at some, 754 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 3: point and when they got to court On monday the, 755 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,399 Speaker 3: fifth they all said, nope we cannot move. 756 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:41,760 Speaker 1: Forward. 757 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,839 Speaker 3: Wow and the, judge this judge who had you, know 758 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,839 Speaker 3: really encouraged this fast. Timeline, yeah, yeah sat back and, said, 759 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,840 Speaker 3: okay we're going to kick the trial To. 760 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,640 Speaker 1: August holy, Smokes, joe that's a long. 761 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 3: Time what could this report possibly say that requires eight? 762 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,880 Speaker 1: Months, well let's, see it's. 763 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,759 Speaker 2: It's going to mean it's not going to mean that 764 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 2: much To, well if this guy's doing the, Report if 765 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,720 Speaker 2: this guy's doing the, assessment he works for the, STATE 766 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,719 Speaker 2: i would, assume, okay the state will have requested, This 767 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:28,160 Speaker 2: so he's going to be a state. Witness what because 768 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,600 Speaker 2: a lot of stuff that when you get into the 769 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,320 Speaker 2: area of forensic, psychology a lot of this stuff is highly, Subjective. 770 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 2: DAVE i know people take exception to, That, okay but 771 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,720 Speaker 2: that's just. Reality it's not like you're looking at talks. 772 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:40,320 Speaker 1: Results. 773 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 2: Okay so the defense is going to have to acquire 774 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 2: their own expert to review, this and they may they may, Say, 775 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 2: okay well we want to bring on our own expert 776 00:48:54,840 --> 00:49:00,359 Speaker 2: to do their. Examination so once that, happens then that 777 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,439 Speaker 2: person will have to generate a report and gifts where 778 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:02,880 Speaker 2: that has. 779 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 1: To go, to that has to go to the. 780 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,759 Speaker 2: Prosecution so you've, got you, know for every for everything 781 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,600 Speaker 2: that that is, done there's a potential for you, know 782 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:12,839 Speaker 2: the other side to do it as. 783 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,000 Speaker 1: Well SO i think going, forward. 784 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,399 Speaker 2: There'll be more information that's going to come, out more 785 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:25,400 Speaker 2: information they'll be. RELEASED i think That i'm, interested obviously 786 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,640 Speaker 2: in all of the digital. Data i'm interested in THIS elvad. 787 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,919 Speaker 2: MACHINE i never thought i'd i'd hear myself saying that 788 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:38,080 Speaker 2: in a in a gunfire related. Case i'm very interested 789 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,440 Speaker 2: in the ballistics, Here. DAVE i want to know if 790 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:47,000 Speaker 2: it's the same. WEAPON i want to know more about the. 791 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:52,359 Speaker 2: TRAJECTORY i want to know if they FOUND i want 792 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,080 Speaker 2: to know if they found any gunshot residue anywhere in that, 793 00:49:55,160 --> 00:50:00,399 Speaker 2: house how how thoroughly was it examined h and were 794 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,880 Speaker 2: there any efforts to clean up around the house in 795 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,480 Speaker 2: any way. WHATSOEVER i want to know how much of 796 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,000 Speaker 2: her clothing they took out of that. House you, know 797 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 2: when they did the initial run, through what was removed 798 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,640 Speaker 2: from the, house what did they, collect and how much 799 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,319 Speaker 2: of that stuff has you, know gone through the ringer 800 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,880 Speaker 2: because AND i find it Fascinating dave that you, know 801 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,719 Speaker 2: because most of the time THE gbi is sufficient to the. 802 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,399 Speaker 2: Task it's all self. Contained they've got their own state 803 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,719 Speaker 2: crime lab and all. This but the fact that THE 804 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:38,719 Speaker 2: fbi is involved in this case is, interesting AND i 805 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,760 Speaker 2: wonder if it's what kind of evidence are they dealing? 806 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,920 Speaker 2: With is this are they there solely for electronic evidence 807 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,839 Speaker 2: or is it something? MORE i don't. Know time will, 808 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 2: Tell and, Look i'm not saying the case is actually 809 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 2: going to go forward In, august because this kind of 810 00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,360 Speaker 2: came out of left field for. Us dave AND i 811 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,000 Speaker 2: started out to tape this today because the trial was 812 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,400 Speaker 2: about to step. Off BUT i got to tell, you 813 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,759 Speaker 2: if they've pushed it out To, august you never know 814 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,440 Speaker 2: with these, things as we see every single, day things 815 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,759 Speaker 2: get pushed all the time in. Courts but this is 816 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,480 Speaker 2: just gigantic. Mystery at this point in. TIME i think 817 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,120 Speaker 2: you've got people that are saying that she had nothing 818 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:21,920 Speaker 2: to do with, This she's got a whole group of 819 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,080 Speaker 2: people out there that are supporting, her even WEARING t 820 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,120 Speaker 2: shirts that say That Sarah Grace patrick is. Innocent so 821 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,400 Speaker 2: we'll see how this develops over the next few. Months until, 822 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,600 Speaker 2: then we'll keep you, posted we'll let you know what we, 823 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:42,480 Speaker 2: hear and we'll give you our. Insight I'm Joseph Scott 824 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,480 Speaker 2: morgan and this is Body. 825 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:45,960 Speaker 3: Backs