WEBVTT - #513 - Brandon Lancaster of Lanco on Coming Back After Losing Record Deal and Management + Fishing Competitions with Morgan Wallen + Writing ‘Greatest Love Story’ 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:11.280 Episode five fourteen. It's Brandon Lancaster of Lanco. So it's 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:13.960 a great story of do you want to say redemption? 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:18.439 I mean, these guys were crushing it and then basically 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:20.920 COVID hit like it did a lot of other artists 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.680 and I lost the record deal, change management. They had 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:27.960 to kind of start over, and Brandon talks about that 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:30.880 a lot. I really like Brandon, and it's crazy because 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:33.920 they've been nominated for so many awards like CNA's American 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:36.960 Music Awards ACMs, where they won New Duo Group of 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:38.959 the Year, and then just a couple of things went 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:42.839 wrong that snowballed, but now they are back. It's a 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:47.239 really great story here he is Brandon Lancaster, which is 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:51.240 how the band name Lanco came about. Of Lanco, Brandon, 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:53.680 good to see again, Buddy, good to see you. Although 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:55.600 it doesn't feel like I haven't seen you, because social 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:57.640 media exists in a way that you know, you kind 0:00:57.640 --> 0:00:58.200 of feel. 0:00:57.960 --> 0:00:59.920 Like you do CP. 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.960 Yeah, it's weird because I don't know that you and 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.840 I have spent any time together in literally years at 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:07.240 this point, right. 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.440 I think, Yeah, I think it'd be years. But yeah, 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.360 it's same thing. I feel like I know your life. 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:14.360 Because like when I walked down, I was like, oh, 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.600 my wife was like, who's down? It said, uh, Brandon, 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:19.959 this a friend of mine sings. She's like, I never 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:21.240 met him. And I was like, I don't even know 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.080 that I've seen you since I've been married. 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:24.920 I don't think I don't think that's crazy. 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:26.600 Last time we did this, we did it up in 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:32.319 a tiny bedroom yep of a house across town. And 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:36.039 for you, that wasn't weird because I knew you. But 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:37.640 sometimes it'd be people that would come over to the 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:39.480 house and they have to like come into the house 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:40.360 and go upstairs. 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:45.440 Yeah, looking back, that's a lot invasive, Mike. 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:46.800 It's our fault. 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:48.000 It was our fault. 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:49.240 Yeah, it was weird. 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.400 Right by your bedroom, yeah, walk by the bedroom. 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:53.640 Yeah, it's first thing Brandon said. 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:54.920 He was like, yeah, we did. Last time we did 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:56.360 this was in a small room. That's when it hit me. 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:58.360 I haven't I haven't seen you in a long time. 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:00.400 But welcome to the new studio. 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:02.920 Yeah, it's great. Thanks for having me take a. 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.120 Dip in the pool if you'd like after it. A 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:06.800 lot of guests that what they say is if. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:07.520 It's been a good interview. 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:09.320 They like to jump in the pool, so you let 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.480 me know at the end and you can jump right in. 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:12.639 How warm is the pool? 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:14.320 You know, it doesn't matter. 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:15.880 Really, it might all right, it has to be a 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:16.560 really good interview. 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.280 If it's a nice plunge, it always is. All right, 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.400 let's see where do I want to start. I feel 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:26.359 like you've because I asked you how you been? You 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:28.400 said good bad in between. I feel like that's kind 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:31.640 of been. I don't know if you're talking about personal 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:35.720 or professional, but I know professionally. You know, you guys 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.079 come out and you have the big hit it's going 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:39.520 to be. 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:41.360 Or forever you're going to be. 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:47.720 And then did you did you'd lose your deal and management? 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.440 Yeah? I mean, how much do you want to get 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:52.720 into this? 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:54.919 No, I mean as much as you want to know 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:56.960 we can because the reason I want to get back 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:59.040 into it is because it's not like that anymore, because 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.280 it's been the complete op. Actually we have the same 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.760 agents sort of now. Yeah, so, but I kind of 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.960 wanted to go. We saw each other, it was going good. 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:12.480 And this is a testament of sometimes things don't go 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:14.280 right for a long time, but if you just keep 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.640 on going and you have the heart determination you're putting 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:19.359 in the work. I'm just gonna tell you where the 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:20.960 whole timeline of this interview is gonna go with me 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:25.040 that you push hard long enough eventually the rock moves. 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:25.480 Yeah. 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.720 Absolutely, And that's and yeah, it's funny because seriously coming 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.280 here and like last time I did this was just 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.120 forever ago, and it was at your house, and I 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:34.960 used to see you more often back then, just run 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:38.360 in the same circles. And it's just been anytime I 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.280 see someone that I haven't seen a long. 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.480 Time, and there there, you know how you've been. 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:45.760 It's like, oh, since I last saw you, I've been 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.600 everything and the highs, highs, lows, loose and everything in between. 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:50.520 Beause that, you know, so kind of being funny. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:53.000 But also yeah, I mean since I since I've seen 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:54.960 you last, since we've kind of done this, I mean, yeah, 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:56.720 I had had a huge hit. 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:57.680 With Love Story. 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:00.600 It's like I don't know five it's a a hundred 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:02.840 quadrillion times spots or something. But uh, and then we 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.080 had Born to Love You after that and and really 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.600 sing that one. Uh it was born to Love You. 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:11.240 I could serve from South and North Born to love you. 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.880 Uh the do the Course melody though, Uh that's don't 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:16.440 don't sing it hard, but do it again. But you 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:22.400 were going to swirl from south north, but are found well. 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:26.920 Looking for wherever I go, whatever I do. It was 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.480 born to love you, was born I love you. 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:31.719 Got it, got it, got it, got all right. 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:36.360 We actually sang that on Dancing with the Stars. Uh 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.839 what the season you were on? Yeah, you didn't dance. 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.200 To I didn't dance I danced to Jansen, But you 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:41.719 played that. 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.680 Yeah, that episode the country thing with like the plastic 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:47.680 cows and hey, we did a. 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.960 Whole group dance with Platt and I remember getting so 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:51.880 frustrated at that because they were like, it's country night, 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:53.240 bringing the cows and Haybell. 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.440 Guys, It's really not what it is. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:58.760 But yeah, yeah that was That was That was cool. 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:01.520 You guys do that, Okay, walk me through it. 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:03.679 So we do that. We put out that album. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:07.000 That album debuted at number one on the album chart 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:09.279 Billboard Album Chart, and we were the first band to 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.320 debut with a number one album since Alabama, So we 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:13.560 were we were crushing. 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.360 And then toured us sold out our headline tour. 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.839 Then we toured Luke Holmes, Dirks Bentley and Miranda Lambert 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:22.560 just in you know, and then it went overseas, sold out, 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:24.960 a bunch of shows in the UK headlined austral Well, 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.599 we were going to headline Australia. We're on the Miranda tour. 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.200 We have a single at radio number one most added. 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:33.480 We're like, here we go. We're about, you know, about 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.320 to get two buses, about to do that thing. And 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.080 we were doing like a headline tour and Miranda's thing 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.600 at this like alternate weekends and we were about to 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:45.360 go to Australia and our management was like, hey, you're 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.320 not going to Australia. There's this thing going around. I 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:49.880 think we're going to stay home this week. And you're 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.080 like what And we that night we were in Minneapolis, 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.080 had a sold out show at Fillmore and yeah, I 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:56.880 thought we were going home for a two week break. 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:01.599 And that that's the beginning of Act two. 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.440 Really COVID that started the unraveling. 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.680 Oh dude, like, honey, and I hate here's the thing 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.520 I hate, especially in the season of my life. 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.440 I hate being woe is Me and I hate. 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:12.720 I don't take that as what was mean. Yeah, but 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:13.920 I literally asked you the question. 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:15.279 Yeah, but it's a thing where it's. 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.240 You know, we were we were going and but we 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.840 the thing that we were we were, we had our 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:23.000 live thing has always been such the way that we 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:24.679 sell what we do if you come see us live, 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:26.560 and if radio and comes see us live, and if 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.920 people the fans, and when that went away, we're now 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.640 sitting at home and we have this single. But you know, 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.440 no one's in their cars, no, like radio engagement is 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.400 just and so that kind of that single it just 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.400 wasn't It was like nearly impossible because we're still technically 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.120 a newer artist. You know, we're like in the thirties, 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:44.000 we're like top forty. 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:46.200 But it's just. 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:48.320 Uh, yeah, you get the And then we started getting 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.599 the call like hey, this this thing, you got it, 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:55.080 download this app, this TikTok thing. Uh, and we do 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.919 that and it just but it's it's just such a 0:06:57.960 --> 0:06:59.520 long story and how much you want to get to 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.640 do whatever. But that that was kind of the beginning 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.000 of like okay, and that song ended up not working. 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:04.719 It orge the it just. 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.520 Got pulled from radio. Really it was just too uh 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:09.600 it was it was a hard season. And so then 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:11.520 after that you are kind of in. We had a 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:13.680 whole second album ready to go with Dan huff and 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:18.760 Jay Joyce and fully produced. Yeah, fully produced, like gonna 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.320 go to mixing. And if you don't have a single 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.200 that's promoting that album and you're not on the road 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:25.680 from that album, that album's. 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.760 Easy to just kind of stop being paid attention to. 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:29.600 And then before you know it, you're kind of in 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:31.800 the wilderness, which I'm where everyone I mean, you're we're 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:34.160 small business. Everyone was in the wilderness trying to pivot 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.760 and trying to adopt these new times. But it was Yeah, 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:40.480 that was kind of the beginning of the unraveling of 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:41.120 when did you. 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.960 Start to feel like because a lot of people went 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:48.200 through either well, I would you say, not being paid 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:52.480 attention to because there wasn't much attention to be paid, 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.480 when did you start to feel like, hey, we're kind 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.920 of not getting the same amount as compared to the 0:07:59.000 --> 0:07:59.640 other folks. 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:01.640 Yeah, I'd say not long after. 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.360 So we had a single called what I See and 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.320 that was produced by Dan Huffman that Yeah, it's like 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.680 in the thirties. It was top forty. And once you 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:13.040 can just tell the calls start becoming less and and 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.040 you know, also the standards for where we were at 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.560 was just so was so high. You know, it's I mean, 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:23.120 because we're we're a label with other just huge artists, 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.240 and we're still working our way up that mountain. You know, 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.360 we're still in the if we're playing a festival slot 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.240 where like not the last ones, maybe second last or 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:33.040 third to last, you know, but you're climbing that mountain. 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:38.360 But once that single got pulled from from radio, then 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:41.480 the calls start becoming less, you can just feel. 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:42.240 And then they really did. 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:44.600 They kept hitting us with the social media thing, which 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.760 for us it was always like on the road and 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:49.920 just our lives and really you have to remember the time. 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.080 It seems like everyday life now, but the time, people 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:55.000 weren't just like I remember the first time I saw 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.600 lip syncing on on an app and being like, what now, 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:00.439 it's just like a music video. But it was just 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:02.760 someone like in their bathroom and it's like where they're 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:04.080 like with their guitars singing there. 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.400 And it was just so different than what we had 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:06.920 been doing. 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:09.040 And we would try, we'd try to make it work, 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.240 but at the time, you know, we weren't going like 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:12.800 super viral we weren't. 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.839 We weren't just having this moment that was during like Olivi. 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.080 Rodrigo and these things that were just and you're like, 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:22.040 and you're now becoming content creators, which is something different 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.120 than we had ever done before. 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:25.400 And it's really not our expertise. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:27.760 We're a band. We play music and write songs, and 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:29.520 so then we started feeling you could just kind of 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:33.240 start feeling the attention wasn't there and talk to management 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:37.160 and it's like, hey, you know, it's it's just a 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:37.880 tough situation. 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.880 And yeah, everybody was losing money and nobody wanted to 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.320 spend the equal amount of money when they were pulling 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:44.000 in less money. 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.480 Yeah, so there had to be decisions made. 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:51.680 It happened across a lot of entertainment platforms, and I think, yeah, 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:52.840 it suck because you guys were new. 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:54.120 Yeah, you had to hit. 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:57.000 But when they start having to go, well, if we 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.280 only have like seven people we can fit in this nest. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.839 You know that the small birds are kicked out first. 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:04.520 Yeah, and we were still in a place where we 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.160 needed that support. We still needed we had our fans, 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:11.240 but uh, the the what you need to impact on 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:15.000 that like global level, that is competing against the artists 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.040 that are headlining the arenas and the you know, that's 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:18.840 where the focus is going to be during that time 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:20.640 and I and I haven't understood that then, Like I 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.120 wasn't even back then. I really wasn't bitter about it 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.800 because I'm I'm practical and I get it. I'm like, 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:29.760 it's just so unfortunate because we were just in that 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:32.080 you know, when you're I mean it, people don't arnesery. 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:34.600 It is hard to move tickets. It's hard to sell tickets. 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:36.560 Oh yeah, it's hard to sell hard tickets. 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:38.719 Yeah, and we were selling hard tickets and selling out 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:42.320 venues like in different countries, I mean, which would for us. 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:43.360 Was just so mind blowing. 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.440 But uh but yeah, it was. It was a tough time. 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:47.720 Did they give you the call like, hey, we're gonna 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:51.240 move on, discontinue the deal, Like what what do they say? 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:56.439 So, actually what happened was our management called and was like, hey, 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.760 I had a meeting, I've had some meetings. This is 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:01.839 you're in a place in the building where this could 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.040 be tough to win them back, you know, I mean, 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:07.200 it's just you might be better off going to a 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.920 new building and igniting a new fire, getting new people excited, 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.679 you know, just kind of a new partnership. 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:15.360 And so it really started there. 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.760 I feel like a very euphemistic statement to say like 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.920 new building, new fire, and you're like, okay, well, appoint 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:22.560 me to the new building. 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:23.559 What new building wants to talk? 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:25.160 But no new buildings wanted to talk to anybody new 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.200 because nobody had money, especially yeah, especially at that time 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:29.280 that they were. 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:31.200 Willing to throw out because COVID had wrecked everything. 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:31.720 Trust me. 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.959 That was and I mean, this conversation all happened. It's like, well, okay, 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:37.960 but it's kind of it's like do you repair a 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.560 kind of broken relationship or a relationship or do you 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:44.320 go pursue a new relationship? And yeah, which one's going 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:49.200 to be more difficult? How broken is the relationship? And yeah, 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.439 and it was a time that yeah, but it was 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.080 still so early. It's still I don't know if everyone 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.760 had the knowledge that it's like are people signing new acts? 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.840 Because people were signing new acts, but the new signings 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:03.520 were Okay, this label just signed thirty five artists that 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:07.960 are like blowing up on this app that based. 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:10.720 On like streams like yeah, TikTok that type stuff. 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.880 Yeah, and so when we weren't we were doing fine there, 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.040 but just you know, we weren't. That's never been like 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.760 where we crush and because that is a skill in 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.800 its own right, that is its own art form, and 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:24.600 we've gotten better at and we've learned. But the time, 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:26.360 you know, it was but yeah, it was a that 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:27.960 was kind of how that process went. And then you 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.280 are in the wilderness, and that was wild to be 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:32.960 like literally independent, I mean independent. 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:37.200 Are you the one having these conversations or is like 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:39.280 a party line of you and all the band members? 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:40.840 Like or do you take the information back? 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.400 So I take the information back? But it happens. I mean, 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.040 we're on the bus having these conversations. We're going well 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:47.720 the time that we weren't on the bus because weren't touring, 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:49.480 but we would go like we all kind of have 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:52.760 like little home in home studios. Jared's like the biggest 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.400 and best one, uh because he's like truly a producer, 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:58.560 and so we go to his studio and we would 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:00.920 have these talks, these discussions, and then I would make 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:02.520 the phone call with me. It's not like all five 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.079 of us on a line and anything, Ay this is made, 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.240 I would call each person into visualbik. Hey, I think 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.240 this is a conversation I just had and literally have 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.839 one on one with each guy and then if it, 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:14.360 you know, maybe all of us get together and have 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:15.080 a band meeting. 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:16.199 Yeah. 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:17.840 It was a weird time too, because we were supposed 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:19.880 to be doing this social stuff and we posted a 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:23.320 few things and started getting ripped for not quarantining and 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:24.800 it's like, what on earth? 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:30.400 No, when how many guys in the band? Five five? 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:37.160 Did you ever think about not being a five person band? Yeah? 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.520 Man, you know that was a really interesting time because 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.080 especially when you leave the label, it's like, hey, what, 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.920 like we're starting fresh no matter what we do, and 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.199 creatively we all write and all that stuff. 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:51.000 But really, man, we really relied on it. 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.000 This sounds like kind of cheesy, but we rely That's 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.600 where you realize like, oh, we're friends because we don't 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.000 have a tour schedule, we're not in the studio, but 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.560 we're just like in Jared y are chipping off balls, 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.480 run in our mouths about stuff because we are friends 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:04.680 and you're. 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:05.720 Choosing to spend time together. 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:07.439 Yeah, and so it's like, well, if we're going to 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.520 get this back and we're going to do this, I'd 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.720 rather do it with this group of guys. And so 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.440 that that actually ended up. It really did end up. 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:16.720 It can want to be one of those make or 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.280 break things in it. I think it made the band 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:21.280 really a solidified like oh oh. 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:22.840 Yeah, because we started as friends. 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.240 We started his friends jamming and trying to pursue this 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.800 dream and then you're just in the dream and it's 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.600 this whirlwind and then you're literally back to no record 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.080 deal at There was a moment there where like didn't 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:34.440 know what management was going to I mean, it was 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.320 scary and we we still was like, well, you guys 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:40.120 want to go hit some balls and. 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:41.960 I mean, I don't know, you guys want to hang out. 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.640 What was the scariest When did it get the scariest. 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.360 The scariest was I'd say going like towards the end 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.960 of going like twenty twenty one was the scariest because 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:53.960 it wasn't like we're back, everything's back. 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:55.880 It was we were living in a new day and age. 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.560 I had also just bought a house with my wife 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:01.920 and all, so it was having a baby. I had 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.560 a baby the end of twenty twenty September twenty twenty. 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.119 So I don't have a baby, I have a mortgage 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.160 that I like didn't outprice myself. But it's like I 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.440 did if I don't have a job, because we make 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.200 our we really make our money on the road. That's 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.120 how selling those T shirts and playing those shows is 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.720 how we really make our money. That's gone and that's 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:20.600 what inspired a song on the Records called Honey I 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.040 lost my job today because I remember walking downstairs and 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.600 my wife is in the kitchen. I told her, hey, 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.240 I don't have a record deal anymore. And it's not 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.800 like we can just go out and tour. I'm I'm 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:35.000 essentially unemployed. And we now have a new baby and 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:39.120 a house, and that was that was a scary time. 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:40.920 Yeah, that's tough. 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:45.400 Big overhead there now Yeah, no, not big new overhead, 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:48.560 more important overhead than ever before. 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.760 Yeah, because we had twenty nineteen is when we went 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.040 and like started building the house and you know, we 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:54.800 were on the Miranda tour. 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:55.760 We did our headline thing. 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:57.720 We had a top forty ath radio number one most 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.320 added like all the it was like, oh, I've plan 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:04.240 this perfectly, this is great, and then you know when 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:07.120 that hit you're faced with real life stuff where it's 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.320 it's a lot of uncertainty, it's and a lot of unknowns, 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:12.080 but it really and it's what inspired that song was saying, Okay, 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:13.960 you know what, at the end of the day, it 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.200 really you know, I had this. I had a baby 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:20.080 girl born in September twenty twenty, and when I I 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:22.560 remember after that conversation though, I just went like got 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:24.800 on the floor and played with her, and you know, 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.360 just and realized like, oh, she doesn't care as long 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:29.960 as I'm a good dad, I'm a present dad. My 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.520 wife she's yes, maybe a little nervous, but she knows 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:34.000 we're gonna be okay because we've got each other and 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.520 we've got this family and we're gonna make it through 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:37.240 whatever that is. 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:39.520 Did all the guys feel like they were going to 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:43.440 continue on or did it go in shifts? I feel 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:45.160 like with five people are the personality is different, Like 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.520 you'd have to like talk one person into one out 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:48.960 of just a different person. 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:51.000 That's exactly what was. Someone would be having a bad 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.840 day and then thankfully someone helps me out, and sometimes 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:55.040 three of us will be having a good day too. 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:56.240