Speaker 1: Episode five fourteen. It's Brandon Lancaster of Lanco. So it's
Speaker 1: a great story of do you want to say redemption?
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys were crushing it and then basically
Speaker 1: COVID hit like it did a lot of other artists
Speaker 1: and I lost the record deal, change management. They had
Speaker 1: to kind of start over, and Brandon talks about that
Speaker 1: a lot. I really like Brandon, and it's crazy because
Speaker 1: they've been nominated for so many awards like CNA's American
Speaker 1: Music Awards ACMs, where they won New Duo Group of
Speaker 1: the Year, and then just a couple of things went
Speaker 1: wrong that snowballed, but now they are back. It's a
Speaker 1: really great story here he is Brandon Lancaster, which is
Speaker 1: how the band name Lanco came about. Of Lanco, Brandon,
Speaker 1: good to see again, Buddy, good to see you. Although
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like I haven't seen you, because social
Speaker 1: media exists in a way that you know, you kind
Speaker 1: of feel.
Speaker 2: Like you do CP.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird because I don't know that you and
Speaker 1: I have spent any time together in literally years at
Speaker 1: this point, right.
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, I think it'd be years. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it's same thing. I feel like I know your life.
Speaker 1: Because like when I walked down, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: my wife was like, who's down? It said, uh, Brandon,
Speaker 1: this a friend of mine sings. She's like, I never
Speaker 1: met him. And I was like, I don't even know
Speaker 1: that I've seen you since I've been married.
Speaker 3: I don't think I don't think that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Last time we did this, we did it up in
Speaker 1: a tiny bedroom yep of a house across town. And
Speaker 1: for you, that wasn't weird because I knew you. But
Speaker 1: sometimes it'd be people that would come over to the
Speaker 1: house and they have to like come into the house
Speaker 1: and go upstairs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, looking back, that's a lot invasive, Mike.
Speaker 3: It's our fault.
Speaker 2: It was our fault.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was weird.
Speaker 1: Right by your bedroom, yeah, walk by the bedroom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's first thing Brandon said.
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, we did. Last time we did
Speaker 1: this was in a small room. That's when it hit me.
Speaker 1: I haven't I haven't seen you in a long time.
Speaker 1: But welcome to the new studio.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great. Thanks for having me take a.
Speaker 1: Dip in the pool if you'd like after it. A
Speaker 1: lot of guests that what they say is if.
Speaker 2: It's been a good interview.
Speaker 1: They like to jump in the pool, so you let
Speaker 1: me know at the end and you can jump right in.
Speaker 4: How warm is the pool?
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: Really, it might all right, it has to be a
Speaker 3: really good interview.
Speaker 1: If it's a nice plunge, it always is. All right,
Speaker 1: let's see where do I want to start. I feel
Speaker 1: like you've because I asked you how you been? You
Speaker 1: said good bad in between. I feel like that's kind
Speaker 1: of been. I don't know if you're talking about personal
Speaker 1: or professional, but I know professionally. You know, you guys
Speaker 1: come out and you have the big hit it's going
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: Or forever you're going to be.
Speaker 1: And then did you did you'd lose your deal and management?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean, how much do you want to get
Speaker 4: into this?
Speaker 1: No, I mean as much as you want to know
Speaker 1: we can because the reason I want to get back
Speaker 1: into it is because it's not like that anymore, because
Speaker 1: it's been the complete op. Actually we have the same
Speaker 1: agents sort of now. Yeah, so, but I kind of
Speaker 1: wanted to go. We saw each other, it was going good.
Speaker 1: And this is a testament of sometimes things don't go
Speaker 1: right for a long time, but if you just keep
Speaker 1: on going and you have the heart determination you're putting
Speaker 1: in the work. I'm just gonna tell you where the
Speaker 1: whole timeline of this interview is gonna go with me
Speaker 1: that you push hard long enough eventually the rock moves.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And that's and yeah, it's funny because seriously coming
Speaker 3: here and like last time I did this was just
Speaker 3: forever ago, and it was at your house, and I
Speaker 3: used to see you more often back then, just run
Speaker 3: in the same circles. And it's just been anytime I
Speaker 3: see someone that I haven't seen a long.
Speaker 4: Time, and there there, you know how you've been.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, since I last saw you, I've been
Speaker 3: everything and the highs, highs, lows, loose and everything in between.
Speaker 4: Beause that, you know, so kind of being funny.
Speaker 3: But also yeah, I mean since I since I've seen
Speaker 3: you last, since we've kind of done this, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: I had had a huge hit.
Speaker 4: With Love Story.
Speaker 3: It's like I don't know five it's a a hundred
Speaker 3: quadrillion times spots or something. But uh, and then we
Speaker 3: had Born to Love You after that and and really
Speaker 3: sing that one. Uh it was born to Love You.
Speaker 3: I could serve from South and North Born to love you.
Speaker 1: Uh the do the Course melody though, Uh that's don't
Speaker 1: don't sing it hard, but do it again. But you
Speaker 1: were going to swirl from south north, but are found well.
Speaker 3: Looking for wherever I go, whatever I do. It was
Speaker 3: born to love you, was born I love you.
Speaker 2: Got it, got it, got it, got all right.
Speaker 3: We actually sang that on Dancing with the Stars. Uh
Speaker 3: what the season you were on? Yeah, you didn't dance.
Speaker 2: To I didn't dance I danced to Jansen, But you
Speaker 2: played that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that episode the country thing with like the plastic
Speaker 3: cows and hey, we did a.
Speaker 1: Whole group dance with Platt and I remember getting so
Speaker 1: frustrated at that because they were like, it's country night,
Speaker 1: bringing the cows and Haybell.
Speaker 3: Guys, It's really not what it is.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah that was That was That was cool.
Speaker 1: You guys do that, Okay, walk me through it.
Speaker 4: So we do that. We put out that album.
Speaker 3: That album debuted at number one on the album chart
Speaker 3: Billboard Album Chart, and we were the first band to
Speaker 3: debut with a number one album since Alabama, So we
Speaker 3: were we were crushing.
Speaker 4: And then toured us sold out our headline tour.
Speaker 3: Then we toured Luke Holmes, Dirks Bentley and Miranda Lambert
Speaker 3: just in you know, and then it went overseas, sold out,
Speaker 3: a bunch of shows in the UK headlined austral Well,
Speaker 3: we were going to headline Australia. We're on the Miranda tour.
Speaker 3: We have a single at radio number one most added.
Speaker 3: We're like, here we go. We're about, you know, about
Speaker 3: to get two buses, about to do that thing. And
Speaker 3: we were doing like a headline tour and Miranda's thing
Speaker 3: at this like alternate weekends and we were about to
Speaker 3: go to Australia and our management was like, hey, you're
Speaker 3: not going to Australia. There's this thing going around. I
Speaker 3: think we're going to stay home this week. And you're
Speaker 3: like what And we that night we were in Minneapolis,
Speaker 3: had a sold out show at Fillmore and yeah, I
Speaker 3: thought we were going home for a two week break.
Speaker 3: And that that's the beginning of Act two.
Speaker 2: Really COVID that started the unraveling.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, like, honey, and I hate here's the thing
Speaker 3: I hate, especially in the season of my life.
Speaker 4: I hate being woe is Me and I hate.
Speaker 2: I don't take that as what was mean. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I literally asked you the question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's a thing where it's.
Speaker 3: You know, we were we were going and but we
Speaker 3: the thing that we were we were, we had our
Speaker 3: live thing has always been such the way that we
Speaker 3: sell what we do if you come see us live,
Speaker 3: and if radio and comes see us live, and if
Speaker 3: people the fans, and when that went away, we're now
Speaker 3: sitting at home and we have this single. But you know,
Speaker 3: no one's in their cars, no, like radio engagement is
Speaker 3: just and so that kind of that single it just
Speaker 3: wasn't It was like nearly impossible because we're still technically
Speaker 3: a newer artist. You know, we're like in the thirties,
Speaker 3: we're like top forty.
Speaker 2: But it's just.
Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, you get the And then we started getting
Speaker 3: the call like hey, this this thing, you got it,
Speaker 3: download this app, this TikTok thing. Uh, and we do
Speaker 3: that and it just but it's it's just such a
Speaker 3: long story and how much you want to get to
Speaker 3: do whatever. But that that was kind of the beginning
Speaker 3: of like okay, and that song ended up not working.
Speaker 4: It orge the it just.
Speaker 3: Got pulled from radio. Really it was just too uh
Speaker 3: it was it was a hard season. And so then
Speaker 3: after that you are kind of in. We had a
Speaker 3: whole second album ready to go with Dan huff and
Speaker 3: Jay Joyce and fully produced. Yeah, fully produced, like gonna
Speaker 3: go to mixing. And if you don't have a single
Speaker 3: that's promoting that album and you're not on the road
Speaker 3: from that album, that album's.
Speaker 4: Easy to just kind of stop being paid attention to.
Speaker 3: And then before you know it, you're kind of in
Speaker 3: the wilderness, which I'm where everyone I mean, you're we're
Speaker 3: small business. Everyone was in the wilderness trying to pivot
Speaker 3: and trying to adopt these new times. But it was Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was kind of the beginning of the unraveling of
Speaker 3: when did you.
Speaker 1: Start to feel like because a lot of people went
Speaker 1: through either well, I would you say, not being paid
Speaker 1: attention to because there wasn't much attention to be paid,
Speaker 1: when did you start to feel like, hey, we're kind
Speaker 1: of not getting the same amount as compared to the
Speaker 1: other folks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd say not long after.
Speaker 3: So we had a single called what I See and
Speaker 3: that was produced by Dan Huffman that Yeah, it's like
Speaker 3: in the thirties. It was top forty. And once you
Speaker 3: can just tell the calls start becoming less and and
Speaker 3: you know, also the standards for where we were at
Speaker 3: was just so was so high. You know, it's I mean,
Speaker 3: because we're we're a label with other just huge artists,
Speaker 3: and we're still working our way up that mountain. You know,
Speaker 3: we're still in the if we're playing a festival slot
Speaker 3: where like not the last ones, maybe second last or
Speaker 3: third to last, you know, but you're climbing that mountain.
Speaker 3: But once that single got pulled from from radio, then
Speaker 3: the calls start becoming less, you can just feel.
Speaker 4: And then they really did.
Speaker 3: They kept hitting us with the social media thing, which
Speaker 3: for us it was always like on the road and
Speaker 3: just our lives and really you have to remember the time.
Speaker 3: It seems like everyday life now, but the time, people
Speaker 3: weren't just like I remember the first time I saw
Speaker 3: lip syncing on on an app and being like, what now,
Speaker 3: it's just like a music video. But it was just
Speaker 3: someone like in their bathroom and it's like where they're
Speaker 3: like with their guitars singing there.
Speaker 4: And it was just so different than what we had
Speaker 4: been doing.
Speaker 3: And we would try, we'd try to make it work,
Speaker 3: but at the time, you know, we weren't going like
Speaker 3: super viral we weren't.
Speaker 4: We weren't just having this moment that was during like Olivi.
Speaker 3: Rodrigo and these things that were just and you're like,
Speaker 3: and you're now becoming content creators, which is something different
Speaker 3: than we had ever done before.
Speaker 4: And it's really not our expertise.
Speaker 3: We're a band. We play music and write songs, and
Speaker 3: so then we started feeling you could just kind of
Speaker 3: start feeling the attention wasn't there and talk to management
Speaker 3: and it's like, hey, you know, it's it's just a
Speaker 3: tough situation.
Speaker 1: And yeah, everybody was losing money and nobody wanted to
Speaker 1: spend the equal amount of money when they were pulling
Speaker 1: in less money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there had to be decisions made.
Speaker 1: It happened across a lot of entertainment platforms, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: it suck because you guys were new.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had to hit.
Speaker 1: But when they start having to go, well, if we
Speaker 1: only have like seven people we can fit in this nest.
Speaker 2: You know that the small birds are kicked out first.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we were still in a place where we
Speaker 3: needed that support. We still needed we had our fans,
Speaker 3: but uh, the the what you need to impact on
Speaker 3: that like global level, that is competing against the artists
Speaker 3: that are headlining the arenas and the you know, that's
Speaker 3: where the focus is going to be during that time
Speaker 3: and I and I haven't understood that then, Like I
Speaker 3: wasn't even back then. I really wasn't bitter about it
Speaker 3: because I'm I'm practical and I get it. I'm like,
Speaker 3: it's just so unfortunate because we were just in that
Speaker 3: you know, when you're I mean it, people don't arnesery.
Speaker 4: It is hard to move tickets. It's hard to sell tickets.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's hard to sell hard tickets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we were selling hard tickets and selling out
Speaker 3: venues like in different countries, I mean, which would for us.
Speaker 4: Was just so mind blowing.
Speaker 3: But uh but yeah, it was. It was a tough time.
Speaker 1: Did they give you the call like, hey, we're gonna
Speaker 1: move on, discontinue the deal, Like what what do they say?
Speaker 3: So, actually what happened was our management called and was like, hey,
Speaker 3: I had a meeting, I've had some meetings. This is
Speaker 3: you're in a place in the building where this could
Speaker 3: be tough to win them back, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just you might be better off going to a
Speaker 3: new building and igniting a new fire, getting new people excited,
Speaker 3: you know, just kind of a new partnership.
Speaker 4: And so it really started there.
Speaker 1: I feel like a very euphemistic statement to say like
Speaker 1: new building, new fire, and you're like, okay, well, appoint
Speaker 1: me to the new building.
Speaker 2: What new building wants to talk?
Speaker 1: But no new buildings wanted to talk to anybody new
Speaker 1: because nobody had money, especially yeah, especially at that time
Speaker 1: that they were.
Speaker 2: Willing to throw out because COVID had wrecked everything.
Speaker 4: Trust me.
Speaker 3: That was and I mean, this conversation all happened. It's like, well, okay,
Speaker 3: but it's kind of it's like do you repair a
Speaker 3: kind of broken relationship or a relationship or do you
Speaker 3: go pursue a new relationship? And yeah, which one's going
Speaker 3: to be more difficult? How broken is the relationship? And yeah,
Speaker 3: and it was a time that yeah, but it was
Speaker 3: still so early. It's still I don't know if everyone
Speaker 3: had the knowledge that it's like are people signing new acts?
Speaker 3: Because people were signing new acts, but the new signings
Speaker 3: were Okay, this label just signed thirty five artists that
Speaker 3: are like blowing up on this app that based.
Speaker 2: On like streams like yeah, TikTok that type stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so when we weren't we were doing fine there,
Speaker 3: but just you know, we weren't. That's never been like
Speaker 3: where we crush and because that is a skill in
Speaker 3: its own right, that is its own art form, and
Speaker 3: we've gotten better at and we've learned. But the time,
Speaker 3: you know, it was but yeah, it was a that
Speaker 3: was kind of how that process went. And then you
Speaker 3: are in the wilderness, and that was wild to be
Speaker 3: like literally independent, I mean independent.
Speaker 1: Are you the one having these conversations or is like
Speaker 1: a party line of you and all the band members?
Speaker 2: Like or do you take the information back?
Speaker 3: So I take the information back? But it happens. I mean,
Speaker 3: we're on the bus having these conversations. We're going well
Speaker 3: the time that we weren't on the bus because weren't touring,
Speaker 3: but we would go like we all kind of have
Speaker 3: like little home in home studios. Jared's like the biggest
Speaker 3: and best one, uh because he's like truly a producer,
Speaker 3: and so we go to his studio and we would
Speaker 3: have these talks, these discussions, and then I would make
Speaker 3: the phone call with me. It's not like all five
Speaker 3: of us on a line and anything, Ay this is made,
Speaker 3: I would call each person into visualbik. Hey, I think
Speaker 3: this is a conversation I just had and literally have
Speaker 3: one on one with each guy and then if it,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe all of us get together and have
Speaker 3: a band meeting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was a weird time too, because we were supposed
Speaker 3: to be doing this social stuff and we posted a
Speaker 3: few things and started getting ripped for not quarantining and
Speaker 3: it's like, what on earth?
Speaker 1: No, when how many guys in the band? Five five?
Speaker 1: Did you ever think about not being a five person band? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Man, you know that was a really interesting time because
Speaker 3: especially when you leave the label, it's like, hey, what,
Speaker 3: like we're starting fresh no matter what we do, and
Speaker 3: creatively we all write and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: But really, man, we really relied on it.
Speaker 3: This sounds like kind of cheesy, but we rely That's
Speaker 3: where you realize like, oh, we're friends because we don't
Speaker 3: have a tour schedule, we're not in the studio, but
Speaker 3: we're just like in Jared y are chipping off balls,
Speaker 3: run in our mouths about stuff because we are friends
Speaker 3: and you're.
Speaker 2: Choosing to spend time together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it's like, well, if we're going to
Speaker 3: get this back and we're going to do this, I'd
Speaker 3: rather do it with this group of guys. And so
Speaker 3: that that actually ended up. It really did end up.
Speaker 3: It can want to be one of those make or
Speaker 3: break things in it. I think it made the band
Speaker 3: really a solidified like oh oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because we started as friends.
Speaker 3: We started his friends jamming and trying to pursue this
Speaker 3: dream and then you're just in the dream and it's
Speaker 3: this whirlwind and then you're literally back to no record
Speaker 3: deal at There was a moment there where like didn't
Speaker 3: know what management was going to I mean, it was
Speaker 3: scary and we we still was like, well, you guys
Speaker 3: want to go hit some balls and.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, you guys want to hang out.
Speaker 1: What was the scariest When did it get the scariest.
Speaker 3: The scariest was I'd say going like towards the end
Speaker 3: of going like twenty twenty one was the scariest because
Speaker 3: it wasn't like we're back, everything's back.
Speaker 4: It was we were living in a new day and age.
Speaker 3: I had also just bought a house with my wife
Speaker 3: and all, so it was having a baby. I had
Speaker 3: a baby the end of twenty twenty September twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: So I don't have a baby, I have a mortgage
Speaker 3: that I like didn't outprice myself. But it's like I
Speaker 3: did if I don't have a job, because we make
Speaker 3: our we really make our money on the road. That's
Speaker 3: how selling those T shirts and playing those shows is
Speaker 3: how we really make our money. That's gone and that's
Speaker 3: what inspired a song on the Records called Honey I
Speaker 3: lost my job today because I remember walking downstairs and
Speaker 3: my wife is in the kitchen. I told her, hey,
Speaker 3: I don't have a record deal anymore. And it's not
Speaker 3: like we can just go out and tour. I'm I'm
Speaker 3: essentially unemployed. And we now have a new baby and
Speaker 3: a house, and that was that was a scary time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 1: Big overhead there now Yeah, no, not big new overhead,
Speaker 1: more important overhead than ever before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we had twenty nineteen is when we went
Speaker 3: and like started building the house and you know, we
Speaker 3: were on the Miranda tour.
Speaker 4: We did our headline thing.
Speaker 3: We had a top forty ath radio number one most
Speaker 3: added like all the it was like, oh, I've plan
Speaker 3: this perfectly, this is great, and then you know when
Speaker 3: that hit you're faced with real life stuff where it's
Speaker 3: it's a lot of uncertainty, it's and a lot of unknowns,
Speaker 3: but it really and it's what inspired that song was saying, Okay,
Speaker 3: you know what, at the end of the day, it
Speaker 3: really you know, I had this. I had a baby
Speaker 3: girl born in September twenty twenty, and when I I
Speaker 3: remember after that conversation though, I just went like got
Speaker 3: on the floor and played with her, and you know,
Speaker 3: just and realized like, oh, she doesn't care as long
Speaker 3: as I'm a good dad, I'm a present dad. My
Speaker 3: wife she's yes, maybe a little nervous, but she knows
Speaker 3: we're gonna be okay because we've got each other and
Speaker 3: we've got this family and we're gonna make it through
Speaker 3: whatever that is.
Speaker 1: Did all the guys feel like they were going to
Speaker 1: continue on or did it go in shifts? I feel
Speaker 1: like with five people are the personality is different, Like
Speaker 1: you'd have to like talk one person into one out
Speaker 1: of just a different person.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what was. Someone would be having a bad
Speaker 3: day and then thankfully someone helps me out, and sometimes
Speaker 3: three of us will be having a good day too.
Speaker 3: Us to be having a bad day and you'd kind
Speaker 3: of get in arguments we did. Eric, we're down one
Speaker 3: original member now, so Tim Avan is our is our
Speaker 3: guitar play. He's beene of those few years now. But Eric,
Speaker 3: he was there a guitar player. He left the band
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. And what's interesting we made
Speaker 3: it all through the pandemic era together.
Speaker 4: But then after that that's a new thing.
Speaker 3: You go back out on the road and you're restarting,
Speaker 3: you're with a new label, and you're and it's I
Speaker 3: want to do all this again, you know, because you
Speaker 3: kind of figured out this new life at home and.
Speaker 1: Then you kind of have to start over again to
Speaker 1: and it's not fully but it's mostly yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: in in the fickle world of entertainment in general, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what version of entertainment people forget quick, yeah,
Speaker 1: because there's a lot coming at the oh yeah. And
Speaker 1: so when do you start to get interest again from
Speaker 1: a label or does management happen first to say, like
Speaker 1: what what starts to what the waves start to come
Speaker 1: back in?
Speaker 2: What comes first?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So first was getting getting a point person our management,
Speaker 3: a new point person our management that uh that could
Speaker 3: help lead a lot of these conversations. Be on the team,
Speaker 3: be the sixth member, you know, be that kind of thing,
Speaker 3: and so I find them honestly through so I was working.
Speaker 3: I had a publishing deal with Jay Joyce, who's a
Speaker 3: producer in town, and the person that used to run
Speaker 3: that publishing company. We're still in touch and I still write.
Speaker 3: Melissa's Spilman, Jeremy Spilman's husband, still right with him, and
Speaker 3: she knew we were looking for management, and so she
Speaker 3: actually reached out to these to uh, this guy and
Speaker 3: and actually based out of Austin, but partnered with Nashville,
Speaker 3: and so flew in to Nashville and just got really
Speaker 3: I liked that there was kind of a perspective outside
Speaker 3: of Nashville, but also there was still roots in Nashville
Speaker 3: because it's like a partnership. And so found that relationship
Speaker 3: and then we did I mean we had because we
Speaker 3: have a name, like if you people know Lanco, Like
Speaker 3: that's one thing I've learned that's just crazy, you know,
Speaker 3: moving out side of the city and just kind of
Speaker 3: living a normal life.
Speaker 4: My daughter's and.
Speaker 3: Like a little school, you know, and we talk to parents.
Speaker 3: You're like, oh man, people like people know Lanco, and
Speaker 3: so the industry knows Lanco. So there were labels like
Speaker 3: even from day one that were kind of intered that
Speaker 3: you go get coffee, you'd go to the meetings, you go.
Speaker 3: But then finally we played a show and Jennifer Johnson
Speaker 3: from Riserhouse was there and just jumped on, I mean
Speaker 3: just all in pretty much immediately, and so that was
Speaker 3: really exciting.
Speaker 2: I was a new.
Speaker 3: Team, more on the independent side, which was fun, but
Speaker 3: not so independent that it was independent because there's some
Speaker 3: success there. Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah. And so that's the
Speaker 3: thing that's always and that's like a perfect medium for me,
Speaker 3: is if you can find it's not this huge corporation
Speaker 3: you know, controlled by New York or whatever. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like if it's it's it's in house, but there's
Speaker 3: also connections and it's big enough there can be there
Speaker 3: can be movement and all the connections there, all the
Speaker 3: relationships are there that are important, and.
Speaker 1: There can be leverage with other successful acts.
Speaker 2: Who else is on Riserhouse.
Speaker 3: So Mitchell tim Penny is with has A has a
Speaker 3: joint partnership with with Riser and then uh Sony and
Speaker 3: then Megan Patrick Deal and Carmichael and then they're also
Speaker 3: a publishing house too, so they have they've got writers
Speaker 3: that have written I mean Landy Wilson, John Party and
Speaker 3: Luke Combs with you know, just so they're they're in
Speaker 3: the game for sure.
Speaker 1: And that's the benefit of having somebody that has some
Speaker 1: leverage because they have other artists that they can for
Speaker 1: lack of a better term, trade in and out, meaning
Speaker 1: they could also use you, right, they have new artists like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we can get Chu Lanco, but you have to take
Speaker 1: on Jimmy Johnson here and let him do so that
Speaker 1: that's part of the part.
Speaker 2: Of the business as well.
Speaker 1: So, okay, you have this hungry I won't say new
Speaker 1: but new ish but semi established label. You have a manager.
Speaker 1: Do you have an agent?
Speaker 4: Yes, we have an agent.
Speaker 1: Did you have an agent?
Speaker 4: We had an agent we yes.
Speaker 3: Now we have a new agent, yes, all new.
Speaker 4: Did you get all new team?
Speaker 3: Did you get dropped by your agency?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: It was another it's an I don't know how in
Speaker 3: the weeds I want to get It's another thing where
Speaker 3: it's those it's those conversations where it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe another relationship, just you want that hunger that fire,
Speaker 3: and you want to be kind of it's nice and
Speaker 3: entertainment if you can be.
Speaker 4: It's sometimes it's nice to be the shiny new toy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice to also feel wanted and feel like
Speaker 1: there's a tension being put on you. Like I was
Speaker 1: at CIA for a long time and it was great.
Speaker 1: And my first agent was a new agent when I
Speaker 1: was getting my first agent, and that was awesome because
Speaker 1: we came up together and I was like one of
Speaker 1: her first clients and we were together for like twelve years.
Speaker 1: But she started to get really successful in like the
Speaker 1: news political space, and she was out of New York.
Speaker 1: She was amazing, but she was growing so fast in
Speaker 1: that area that really wasn't the area that I needed
Speaker 1: to have my work done.
Speaker 2: I didn't need in Nashville. I was fine here.
Speaker 1: My was in LA. So they had like a secondary
Speaker 1: agent at CEA and I was not paid much attention to.
Speaker 2: Is this kind of an afterthought?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's tough.
Speaker 3: I mean, we kind of had the same situation where
Speaker 3: you're almost starting with someone and you're growing, but then
Speaker 3: the reality is as you're kind of going down this
Speaker 3: mountain and you're trying to figure it out and pick
Speaker 3: up the pieces their career. They're still yeah, they've now
Speaker 3: got other things. Yeah, sometimes they don't match, yeah, And
Speaker 3: it is what it is.
Speaker 1: So I left. I left CIA, yeah, because I wasn't
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I was being prioritized enough and
Speaker 1: it was a difficult decision to make. And I remember
Speaker 1: I did a thing where I was talking to a
Speaker 1: bunch of agencies and you know, for a second, it's
Speaker 1: fun because everybody's like, I want to have a meeting
Speaker 1: and telling you what they can offer you. And but
Speaker 1: I ended up and you'll see where this this come
Speaker 1: back around to you. I ended up signing with an
Speaker 1: agency that was one of the big agencies, not as
Speaker 1: big as CAA, CIA and William Worse were like the monsters, right,
Speaker 1: they're the big ones. But I signed with an agency
Speaker 1: that was big but not as big, but felt hungry
Speaker 1: because they were not as big.
Speaker 2: And that was UTA.
Speaker 1: And so for that reason, it kind of like when
Speaker 1: you talk about signing with the Riserhouse. That's why I
Speaker 1: signed with my agent now, because could I have picked
Speaker 1: a bigger agent out of New York in LA That
Speaker 1: for sure, yes, But I also felt like at times
Speaker 1: I was getting lost in the mix because I wasn't
Speaker 1: always in front of their eyeballs. So but my relationship
Speaker 1: with Uta has been excellent. Yeah, so that's and I
Speaker 1: saw a picture the other day with view of Lanka
Speaker 1: with Uta.
Speaker 3: Yeah I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't know you're at Uta any talk about that more.
Speaker 1: I'm already I'm now getting mad. They're not telling everybody.
Speaker 3: I mean, hey, that speaks to them that they're Their
Speaker 3: pitch is like, hey, this is what we really want
Speaker 3: you to want to work for you, and this is
Speaker 3: this is our plan and our strategy. And we're excited
Speaker 3: about two thousand tickets sold as opposed to wea, you
Speaker 3: did two thousand tickets, but these people did twenty thousand.
Speaker 4: Twice last night.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like and so yeah, I love it over there.
Speaker 3: And it's been but no, I love We have a
Speaker 3: new team and new energy and we are it is
Speaker 3: kind of a version two point zero, but it's been.
Speaker 4: It's it's been fun to tackle this again.
Speaker 3: But even with different perspective, different life perspective, different even
Speaker 3: sitting here doing this right now, I remember doing this
Speaker 3: ten years ago.
Speaker 4: I remember my feeling.
Speaker 3: I remember how I felt about I remember, and I
Speaker 3: remember back then being nervous about everything because I so
Speaker 3: felt that like every moment, my entire life was hinging
Speaker 3: on it. Where now that's true, it's very important, but
Speaker 3: it's also my career. I also have, you know, like
Speaker 3: right now, my family's at the zoo and I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know what I'll finish it. It might meet you
Speaker 3: all there, because that's also important to me. So a
Speaker 3: little healthier perspective now, and yeah, I've just grown up
Speaker 3: a little more a little.
Speaker 1: But you also know what you want, what you don't want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you also know what worked and what didn't work. It
Speaker 1: doesn't mean to won't working in a different time, but
Speaker 1: at least you have gained what is kind of the
Speaker 1: most expensive to gain, and that it's perspective. You said
Speaker 1: the word perspective is the hardest thing to get because
Speaker 1: you don't get it because it's fun. Yeah, you get
Speaker 1: perspective because it was kind of forced upon you. But
Speaker 1: it is also the most valuable. So once you have
Speaker 1: a like, cool, I got it, man. Sure we shouldn't
Speaker 1: have to go through that to get it, but you
Speaker 1: have it, right, and so you treat everything differently some
Speaker 1: things are more precious, some things aren't nearly as precious,
Speaker 1: and you learn not every single little thing can take
Speaker 1: your whole world down. Yeah, that's what so reminds me
Speaker 1: of Like as a new artist, you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I gotta make sure that I could get this exactly right,
Speaker 1: get that exactly right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hang tight, The Bobby Cast will be right back,
Speaker 5: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 1: Your record is called We're not Gonna, We're gonna, We're gonna,
Speaker 1: We're gonna make it. Yeah, I think we don't think.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking Marry telling Moore first time I saw it,
Speaker 1: because that theme song goes.
Speaker 3: We're gonna make it after.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna make it. I'm assuming that's kind of
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's you know, it's the title track
Speaker 3: the album, because really this album, this is you know,
Speaker 3: years in the making, and it's our life. Like our
Speaker 3: first album, Halle Andights was so autobiographical. It's so where
Speaker 3: we were and where we were headed, and you know,
Speaker 3: and it was even like the biggest song on that record,
Speaker 3: Greatest Love Story, and the even Born to Love You.
Speaker 3: It's this coming of age discovering love and what that
Speaker 3: means and then this you know, as much as social
Speaker 3: media as a thing and and all of that, there
Speaker 3: is an aspect where with your fans, the way that
Speaker 3: you communicate to them is through your music. That's how
Speaker 3: they get to know you, and that's how they have
Speaker 3: this relationship with you. And so we wanted the different
Speaker 3: pieces of our lives to be on this record. And
Speaker 3: when you know we we're gonna make it, actually the
Speaker 3: last song we recorded for the record, and when you
Speaker 3: listen to the record, you realize there is this theme
Speaker 3: of ups and downs and trial and tribulation and good
Speaker 3: times but also some really hard times, and through it
Speaker 3: all there was this theme in our personal lives of
Speaker 3: we're going to make it out of this valley. We're
Speaker 3: in a valley right now, We're gonna make it to
Speaker 3: that hilltop, and we're gonna look back and be better
Speaker 3: because of it. And so that's a yeah, it kind
Speaker 3: of summarized the whole album.
Speaker 1: Reminds me of the story of the king that had
Speaker 1: this too shall Pass ring, and when times are really tough,
Speaker 1: he would look at the ring and he'd remind himself,
Speaker 1: this too shall pass.
Speaker 2: Hang in.
Speaker 1: But when times were amazing, he would look at the
Speaker 1: ring and go, this too shall pass, So treasure it
Speaker 1: because in the future it will not be like this,
Speaker 1: and so this too shall pass. Was always the theme,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't to not appreciate and value what's happening now.
Speaker 1: It was to have an understanding and perspective of how
Speaker 1: quickly things can change, but when they change, and if
Speaker 1: they do change, they can change back. Based on as
Speaker 1: I mentioned at the very beginning of this, like if
Speaker 1: you work hard enough and long enough and smart enough,
Speaker 1: you can move the rock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes the rocks heavier. Yeah, sometimes the.
Speaker 1: Rock's not very heavy at all. But if you work
Speaker 1: long enough, hard enough and smart enough, you can move
Speaker 1: the rock. I think about you guys when riding. Do
Speaker 1: you guys pull many outside writers to write with you?
Speaker 1: And why I asked that is because that's a lot
Speaker 1: of people, that's a lot of cutters. You gave to
Speaker 1: cut a song like five or six different ways?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, we do everything everything in between.
Speaker 3: So like we have a song called Low Class Lovers
Speaker 3: on the record, that's a solo right that. I just
Speaker 3: wrote that one by myself after going out with my
Speaker 3: wife on a date night and fell out of place.
Speaker 3: In the environment that I was in and wrote a
Speaker 3: song about it, and then like Honey, out's my job today.
Speaker 3: I actually wrote that one by myself, but then Jeremy Spilman.
Speaker 3: It was such a heavy topic to discuss unemployment, especially
Speaker 3: when yes, it was scary for me and I didn't
Speaker 3: know the future, but there also were people that were
Speaker 3: in way worse situations than me, so kind of like
Speaker 3: being a poster child having a song like that, I
Speaker 3: felt like a heavy responsibility. So I brought Jeremy into
Speaker 3: make like, hey, you help me work on this song
Speaker 3: and word it right. Then there are times where it's
Speaker 3: the whole band, and you know, we bring in one
Speaker 3: writer and we may just start jamming in the studio
Speaker 3: literally just having like band practice and come up with
Speaker 3: a vibe and so on, that's a cool idea and
Speaker 3: we just start singing. So it's everything, everything all in between.
Speaker 1: What about other guys, Do they write themselves for other artists?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Chandler's actually it all right right now, and
Speaker 3: yeah everyone Chandler trip and Jared all right, and then
Speaker 3: Jared's like a writer.
Speaker 1: Producer and that's never caused any sort of issue. No,
Speaker 1: you do, do you encourage that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I mean, I you know, Lanco's a
Speaker 3: Landco's a thing. It's a specific thing. And it doesn't
Speaker 3: mean that there's a lot of songs that I hear
Speaker 3: on the radio or whatever that I'm like, oh that
Speaker 3: could Landco could have sang this, So you know, there's
Speaker 3: but it's a specific enough thing that we know the
Speaker 3: goal we're trying to achieve, and we're together and working
Speaker 3: on a Lanco thing. And and if they're working, I
Speaker 3: think they like it too because it gives them an
Speaker 3: outlet because there are things that we just wouldn't sing
Speaker 3: or they're just not our vibe, even sonically, and it
Speaker 3: gives everyone an outlet to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: Do you ever think about doing even a couple of
Speaker 1: songs by yourself and its sounding completely different than Lanco?
Speaker 1: That'd be the only reason you would do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But it's like I want to do this garage rock, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a couple of songs. Do you ever think about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, And that's something I'd like to do
Speaker 3: and I think would be cool just to see because
Speaker 3: I love love love, I mean, it's literally the I have.
Speaker 3: There's one reason I fight so hard for is because
Speaker 3: I have the best job in the world because I
Speaker 3: get to be creative and I get to go with
Speaker 3: my best friends and create with them, and it's really fun.
Speaker 3: But there's a thing where I have my own a
Speaker 3: cool thing about land because we all have different influences
Speaker 3: and sonic influences and we can all throw that into
Speaker 3: kind of the pot, and that is Lanco. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it'd be interesting. I've definitely thought about and I've talked
Speaker 3: like it. You know, it's not like a secret. At
Speaker 3: some point, I could see myself just you and I
Speaker 3: just recorded in like my little home studio and just
Speaker 3: throw it out, you know who you know, just this
Speaker 3: is me?
Speaker 1: Uh like if you like a trip onto a hip
Speaker 1: hop album, yeah, or hip hop couple of tracks?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I could see that like letter rip right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't if any I mean, you know, we're land
Speaker 3: Co's a thing, but we also are all artists in
Speaker 3: our own right. We all have our own creative outlets
Speaker 3: and if yeah, I mean, yeah, whatever, just create.
Speaker 2: What are you doing for fun?
Speaker 3: What am I doing for fun? I'm trying to raise
Speaker 3: two children, which is the most fun thing but also
Speaker 3: the hardest thing.
Speaker 4: I've ever done in my life.
Speaker 3: If not that, I don't know, man' pretty basic all.
Speaker 3: I used to fish a lot. That's gotten harder, trip
Speaker 3: and I used to, like seriously fish, Like tournaments.
Speaker 2: Don't get you that, you guys tournament fish.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's specially due that was a big thing during
Speaker 3: the pandemic. We like got it was us. Morgan Wallen
Speaker 3: was out there like these little fishing tournaments.
Speaker 2: So is it one because I've early earlier version of
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 1: I used to fish the tournaments and all the boats
Speaker 1: would lunch, are on the same It's just like go
Speaker 1: and all the boats launched. So that kind of you
Speaker 1: guys were fishing in real tournament.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, bass tournaments. Oh yeah, we we came in second.
Speaker 3: We never we never won, never brought it home.
Speaker 2: To put the little weights in. I know, puts in
Speaker 2: the f man.
Speaker 3: There's that's there's some sketchy stuff that started frustrating me.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like golf too. It's the thing where
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, I know that I'm not the best,
Speaker 3: but I know some of y'all are not beating me.
Speaker 3: But no, I go.
Speaker 4: I try to golf and then man, just real basic stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, you know, I still try to have
Speaker 3: friends over, like just have fires and and but golf
Speaker 3: is a is an outlet for sure, not good at it,
Speaker 3: but try just get out. You haven't gotten pickleball yet, no,
Speaker 3: so I actually man, pickleball is tough though, because it's
Speaker 3: it's like golf. You can go, you can get with
Speaker 3: the group buddies, but you also can go and do
Speaker 3: it by yourself or just go to the driving something pickleball.
Speaker 3: I love pickleball. I've had a hard time coordinating getting.
Speaker 2: People together to do it.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair, I would meet that with because I used
Speaker 1: to play a lot of golf, but I I don't
Speaker 1: want to be that guy. But I'm a bagga for
Speaker 1: a second. I don't have four hours anymore. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: it sucks.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And I'm a member of a club and I haven't
Speaker 1: been to the club in eight months. Yeah yeah, And
Speaker 1: so I'm paym a DU's and I love it, but
Speaker 1: I don't have four hours. Or by the time I
Speaker 1: drive fifteen minutes to the club and I get on
Speaker 1: the range and hit thirty minutes, then I drive back
Speaker 1: that that hour's gone. Where I can just I have
Speaker 1: a court here at the house. If I get I
Speaker 1: get an hour workout at and play pickleba. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: have to play with who do you play? Like?
Speaker 2: Great point.
Speaker 1: That's why you hire people that are your friends and
Speaker 1: then you go so like today Reid and I are
Speaker 1: gonna play, Uh, asked Brandon, and Brandon was already away
Speaker 1: over here and he had closed. He's like, I'm in
Speaker 1: jeans and but yes, I could see where coordinating the
Speaker 1: other person.
Speaker 2: I guess my thing was time. I just have the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like man if I could get I I
Speaker 3: literally I went through a pickleball phase like the end
Speaker 3: of last year, and I'm like, this is my new identity.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna be one of those guys. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it was just tough fun with people I love. I
Speaker 3: also like pickleball because golf is fun, but I do
Speaker 3: like I was like to play basketball. And there was
Speaker 3: a game that was going on a lot with a
Speaker 3: bunch of like songwriter and artists stuff in town like
Speaker 3: Gordon as.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we played over there once together there Travis that pandemic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh it's for Travis's video. It's for like a content shoot.
Speaker 1: They always played like nine o'clock I'll get a call,
Speaker 1: Hey we're playing again?
Speaker 2: Okay, what time?
Speaker 3: Nine pm?
Speaker 2: Like as don't you know?
Speaker 1: I wake up? But like butt whole o'clock. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: no chance.
Speaker 2: So you're not playing basketball anymore.
Speaker 3: And that game, I you know, I just texted, uh
Speaker 3: texted one of the guys in that in that group,
Speaker 3: and I don't know. I lose, Like is there a
Speaker 3: new game? I texted the John Chris goes out there
Speaker 3: and plays. I text shandals like is there do I
Speaker 3: get kicked out of the chat? Like is there a game?
Speaker 3: I don't know about? But it seems like it's it's
Speaker 3: just now that you want to talk about coordinating people,
Speaker 3: that's a lot of you need like fifteen people because
Speaker 3: unless yeah, so that's tough. But I like pickleball because
Speaker 3: it's active. I like, you know, you're breathing hard, you're sweating,
Speaker 3: you endorphins are going.
Speaker 1: How far do you live from here?
Speaker 3: Uh? It took me thirty minutes.
Speaker 2: Oh that's too far for what to invite you?
Speaker 3: Dude, I drive here, I gotn't. I drive every day
Speaker 3: and that's that's pretty far. We'll move if it means
Speaker 3: having a pickleball got yeah, And we're moving out for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll invite you to come play because we I mean,
Speaker 1: we're always looking to.
Speaker 2: Have people over to play. Let's do it.
Speaker 3: That's been the heart is just finding if if but
Speaker 3: no driving thirty minutes. That's that's kind of I did
Speaker 3: it on because I used to live in East Nashville.
Speaker 3: We moved out and I live like a half hour
Speaker 3: outside of the city. But it's very it's very normal
Speaker 3: to me to for rights and I'm gonna come to
Speaker 3: town a lot.
Speaker 2: So I got thirty minutes is forever.
Speaker 3: I can tell you, Yeah, I can tell you you
Speaker 3: You get to bring people to your world.
Speaker 1: That's for the most part. We all still go into
Speaker 1: the studio, the downtown studio. But you're talking about I
Speaker 1: George work and nobody's on the road. So it's nine minutes,
Speaker 1: yeah to get downtown. And then I mostly don't leave
Speaker 1: unless for anything, Yeah, unless I'm traveling to go somewhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we'll work here out of here. I got a
Speaker 1: gym trainer comes here, like pick a ball back there.
Speaker 1: Vet comes here. That's our friend though, that's our close friends.
Speaker 3: So that way you just need to have So what
Speaker 3: you're saying is I need to you to make sure
Speaker 3: all your friends.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's true. My Vet is my friend. However, she
Speaker 1: was a VET before a friend. I think I didn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't our friend walk she went to VET school.
Speaker 1: I met her, my wife actually met her. But she
Speaker 1: does a podcast now for us too, doctor Josie. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, all my Yeah. Somehow I either hire all
Speaker 1: my friends or people that I work closely with, I
Speaker 1: make on my friend.
Speaker 3: That way I never have to leave my I get that.
Speaker 3: I try to that I'm in a band. I yeah
Speaker 3: that too. Well you're saying I need to hit up
Speaker 3: our crew and get them to play.
Speaker 1: Or hire new crew that you would like to play
Speaker 1: sports with. That's that's the thing. Like Brandon for example,
Speaker 1: Brandon Ray who's over there, and Brandon has been one
Speaker 1: of my closest friends for a decade and one of
Speaker 1: those friends where you don't have to see them every week.
Speaker 1: You know. I have friends like that from college who
Speaker 1: I would be like, you need a kidney. I'm still
Speaker 1: here with you, but you don't talk. But you do
Speaker 1: have those friendships. But Brandon is a plus singer, a
Speaker 1: plus player, players with raging idiots. When we do our
Speaker 1: charity stuff, plays guitar, and Reid has been my guy
Speaker 1: doing all my digital for five years. Like Reid was
Speaker 1: a pup and emailed me and was like, I like
Speaker 1: to do some videos for you.
Speaker 3: That's his voice, Yeah, it's pretty much.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well I haven't heard him talk yet.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't.
Speaker 2: But when he does hit, I was like, dudn okay.
Speaker 1: And so I didn't know him, but he was a
Speaker 1: kid from Arkansas, and I was like, I'll probably related,
Speaker 1: So I go ahead and hire you. You're from Texas,
Speaker 1: you get it. Yeah, And so my cousin, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: hired him, and he's been here for five years, right,
Speaker 1: and and everybody going travels with me, but he's does
Speaker 1: photos and videos and we go and we do shows
Speaker 1: and like he's just been like at my hip for
Speaker 1: for the last five years. And so Read's like, Read goes, well,
Speaker 1: I gotta move, Like where you move? Are you?
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: You gotta move.
Speaker 2: I gotta move to Saint Louis. Saint Louis.
Speaker 1: His wife's about to be a doctor, got to a medicool.
Speaker 1: So Reads leaving, I'm looking for a new person right
Speaker 1: to run the digital operation, which has become big, you
Speaker 1: know how this sometimes it just grows and you look
Speaker 1: down and you're like, oh man, this is actually quite robust.
Speaker 1: And if that person's gone, we're So. I was interviewing
Speaker 1: a bunch of people and Brandon, who was writing all
Speaker 1: this sync music for like TV shows and commercials, hits
Speaker 1: me up and he's like, hey, would you ever think
Speaker 1: about me for that job? And I was like, no, sure, what, No,
Speaker 1: not at all. I never thought And so ended up
Speaker 1: hiring Brandon. And so now Brandon's doing this, So I
Speaker 1: guess I just hired another friend.
Speaker 2: I guess I perfect keep it. That's I'm just giving you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, keeping the family your friends. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then they come over you. My wife is always like,
Speaker 1: who are you hiring now? And I'm like, don't worry
Speaker 1: a friend, you already already know them.
Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome back to
Speaker 5: the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3: Did your wife ever while with you on the road? Yes? Yeah,
Speaker 3: two kids. Yeah, we bring the kids too. We're we're
Speaker 3: traveling circus, man. We yeah, like just a few weeks ago,
Speaker 3: and especially we'll work it now. Like they do seem
Speaker 3: to go places like they came on the road.
Speaker 4: A few weeks ago because we were in Florida.
Speaker 3: Uh so like Sarasota and Tampa and like that bus
Speaker 3: road or they fly so both so they so they
Speaker 3: flew let me think how they Okay, So they flew
Speaker 3: the Florida one.
Speaker 4: They flew to Florida.
Speaker 3: We have family in Florida, they say with and then
Speaker 3: they just like met us there and then a few
Speaker 3: and then the last week of the tour Northeast, they
Speaker 3: flew to Boston fam or she has my in law
Speaker 3: or my sister in law's family is from Boston area.
Speaker 3: So it flew up stay with them, then hopped on
Speaker 3: the bus with us, went to Buffalo, and then busted
Speaker 3: down to Nashville with us. And yeah, my, my, we
Speaker 3: have some bunks open, so my daughter just jumps in
Speaker 3: a little bunk and then we set up like a
Speaker 3: pack and play thing in the back and my wife
Speaker 3: sleeps back there with it. It's yeah, make it work,
Speaker 3: just carnies.
Speaker 1: Whenever you decided to go back on the road, which
Speaker 1: inevitably you knew what you would do, a bit nervous
Speaker 1: put tickets back out there.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, terrified and what was so weird at that time?
Speaker 3: That was still we went out, start going out, and
Speaker 3: like end of twenty one, twenty and then twenty two
Speaker 3: that was still the whole country handled that whole thing differently.
Speaker 3: So we might play in like Montana and it'd be
Speaker 3: like thousand people like, oh we're back baby. Then we'd
Speaker 3: go play a show and there's like seventeen people at
Speaker 3: tables cause it was just the vibe was still, and
Speaker 3: people like, I'm not going out to a shit and so,
Speaker 3: and then that we would play shows like is it us?
Speaker 3: Is it the world? Is it the We just couldn't
Speaker 3: get a because here's a thing that was really weird
Speaker 3: about our career. Everyone, unless you're like George Straight, there
Speaker 3: are some that get to hack this and don't, but
Speaker 3: everyone does. Eventually you do have that last and even
Speaker 3: George Straight, you have that last hit, that last single,
Speaker 3: and then you start you do get a phone call like, hey,
Speaker 3: it's not you know, they're not biting, it's not reacting.
Speaker 3: You know it's and then you get to if you're huge,
Speaker 3: you get to choose like are we going to be legacy?
Speaker 3: You know, what are we going to do? Or for
Speaker 3: most artists, you have this career and then you have
Speaker 3: a song and it doesn't any You try again and
Speaker 3: it and you go from say you're doing five thousand
Speaker 3: tickets to them maybe you're doing thirty five to two
Speaker 3: and you it.
Speaker 4: But it's years of this, like you're seeing it.
Speaker 3: We went from like top of the world selling out
Speaker 3: in different cun trees.
Speaker 4: Two we play a show and there's fifteen pe and like, wait, is.
Speaker 3: This because of us or the world or did we
Speaker 3: fall off that hard or what is it? And it
Speaker 3: was a really weird whiplash because it wasn't a fair representation.
Speaker 4: We didn't know where we were.
Speaker 3: We didn't know like do people do we have fans
Speaker 3: out there? And so that was a that was definitely
Speaker 3: a really scary process and and what'd you find out?
Speaker 1: What was it?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 3: I think it was, I mean, we definitely found we
Speaker 3: found that we still i mean we sold out shows
Speaker 3: on this We have not had like a hit, like
Speaker 3: a number one song in like eight years, and we
Speaker 3: still can go to certain markets and you know, clear
Speaker 3: thousand tickets and sell out and we go to a
Speaker 3: lot of these you know exit in type venues and
Speaker 3: sell it out. And that was honestly, even at the time,
Speaker 3: that was still like around. You know, we're kind of
Speaker 3: we somehow do have this fan base that really a
Speaker 3: lot of people know it's for Grace Love Story, but
Speaker 3: like our fans, they'll sing the other songs and they'll
Speaker 3: talk to us about how these other songs have impacted them.
Speaker 3: And so we still have this fan base. We can
Speaker 3: go out and do our thing. Now it's just trying
Speaker 3: to capitalize on that and grow from there and kind
Speaker 3: of relaunch.
Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah, you talked about a song you wrote on
Speaker 1: this record by yourself, which was Low Class Lovers. So
Speaker 1: first I'm gonna ask you about that. Where were you
Speaker 1: with your wife where you're like, we don't belong?
Speaker 4: Why I don't everyone it's called it.
Speaker 3: It was a restaurant in Green Hills and part of
Speaker 3: the not belonging thing too. That was our first time
Speaker 3: going out after having a baby and with the COVID,
Speaker 3: so we had been like living in sweatpants and like
Speaker 3: it was the first time we'd like seen society went out,
Speaker 3: so we already felt, you know, it's like, oh okay,
Speaker 3: like out in the world. And then also, yeah, we'd
Speaker 3: been like living in sweatpants and just chilling, and now
Speaker 3: we're like a you know, white tablecloths, whatever, and it
Speaker 3: was it was really nice, but it was you know,
Speaker 3: things on the menu. You're like a kind of a cheeseburger,
Speaker 3: like I don't know. I'm sure it's good, but I
Speaker 3: don't know if I want the whatever type of eggs
Speaker 3: as a garnish on that thing.
Speaker 1: When you write a song by yourself, that one specifically,
Speaker 1: when you done, you really can't send it and have
Speaker 1: somebody give you critiques or changes, right, because then they.
Speaker 2: Co wrote it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean you know fine line.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh, you know, I think that my process
Speaker 3: of that is if I write a song that I
Speaker 3: think is cool, I'll take it to the guys and
Speaker 3: be like and then they're they generally don't yeah, they
Speaker 3: don't try to like get in on it and be like,
Speaker 3: you know, well maybe if the second verse, it's like
Speaker 3: this is when I wrote yeah or nay, because I
Speaker 3: do bring like a pretty much completed thing and it's
Speaker 3: like is this cool or not? And that one was
Speaker 3: cool like on guitar, And then we got in the
Speaker 3: studio and I told Jay he produced that one. I
Speaker 3: was like, I want this to be like a Bohemian
Speaker 3: rhapste like this up and down and in and it
Speaker 3: just this kind of this. He kept calling it my opus.
Speaker 3: And so once we start in the studio attacking it
Speaker 3: like that, it.
Speaker 4: Just became really fun.
Speaker 1: And yeah, will they ever say nay, Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: bring in the song by yourself, you're like, this is it,
Speaker 1: they'll go and naw, I don't think this is it.
Speaker 3: They never say that. They'll say that could be cool.
Speaker 3: But now you know what that means exactly. So you know, God,
Speaker 3: what about Greatest Love Story?
Speaker 2: When you wrote?
Speaker 1: You wrote that by yourself?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What was that?
Speaker 2: Did you? Did you write that before them? I wrote
Speaker 2: that around.
Speaker 3: The time we'd start as a band, but I had
Speaker 3: a bun I'd written all the songs like and had
Speaker 3: these songs I wanted to put a band around it.
Speaker 3: And so that was one I wrote right as it
Speaker 3: was forming, and we had finished rehearsal and we were
Speaker 3: on this back patio and I was we were like,
Speaker 3: what do we do you know, cause we kind of
Speaker 3: practice the songs, and uh, I was like, I kind
Speaker 3: of I wrote this little thing and I wrote it
Speaker 3: played like the first chorus, and everyone was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's cool. And so we just went right in and
Speaker 3: started putting music to it. Yeah, they liked that one.
Speaker 2: What do you chase now?
Speaker 1: Meaning there are like eight versions of finger quote success,
Speaker 1: There's lots of streams, there's viral, there's radio, there's and
Speaker 1: one or two of them without the others is great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it cut right. There's many ways to cut, but
Speaker 1: you almost have to pick your lanes that you chase
Speaker 1: because if you're chasing all day, if you're chasing eight rabbit,
Speaker 1: you're not going to catch any of them. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: what are you guys as a band, Like, what are
Speaker 1: you chasing?
Speaker 3: Well, I'd say I'd say, you know, for the for
Speaker 3: the past few years, we've been focusing on like building
Speaker 3: socials and then and streaming and that's you know, and
Speaker 3: that's how people consume music. Uh, Like they're not buying
Speaker 3: CDEs as much anymore, you know, if at all. So
Speaker 3: that's part of it. But I would say, I mean,
Speaker 3: right now we really are.
Speaker 4: We have an.
Speaker 3: Opportunity to be at radio and go because that does
Speaker 3: take I mean, that takes a team of people around
Speaker 3: you as far as like the industries, because like you
Speaker 3: have to have a radio team and stuff, and right
Speaker 3: now we have that and they're really great, and it
Speaker 3: does get to put you out in front of an audience,
Speaker 3: and it does put you in a lane of when
Speaker 3: you're looking at those festivals and you're looking at these
Speaker 3: tours like that is kind of a qualifier.
Speaker 1: It is an investment though, when I say Chase to
Speaker 1: do that version, to do the radio version, you got
Speaker 1: to be places. Yeah, And that's time and effort and money.
Speaker 3: Yes, So okay, the thing is so the thing is
Speaker 3: with us, Like I wish that I was a talented
Speaker 3: enough content creator that I just knew because it is
Speaker 3: an art form, like they know the lighting, getting the back,
Speaker 3: like they just know. Like I know artists that are
Speaker 3: so good at that and they don't feel silly doing it.
Speaker 3: I also know artists that honestly feel a little silly
Speaker 3: on stage, and they where I don't I feel silly
Speaker 3: like pointing to nothing and then putting captions over it.
Speaker 3: They don't. I don't feel silly on stage. I don't
Speaker 3: care if it's at some event where there's twenty people.
Speaker 3: This is like, this is my home, and so I
Speaker 3: don't mind. Like I like going out on the road
Speaker 3: and playing shows and even going into a station and
Speaker 3: playing some songs I like talking. I like hanging out.
Speaker 3: So for me, that's a that's a I don't mind
Speaker 3: at all investing my time there and even you know,
Speaker 3: going to these cities and playing shows and partnering with
Speaker 3: with radio. H it's I like, it's a partnership. Hey,
Speaker 3: you give us some you know, like you we give
Speaker 3: each other attention, and we work together and you're playing
Speaker 3: our music and we, you know, come out of the
Speaker 3: show and let's hang and meet your listeners or you know,
Speaker 3: whatever it is.
Speaker 1: You're right about qualifiers in the way.
Speaker 2: Of their different qualifiers for the different rabbits.
Speaker 1: I'll just use rabbits as you know, the analogy here
Speaker 1: that's chasing rabbits. Like if you have a top ten,
Speaker 1: top five, number one song on radio, that is a
Speaker 1: qualifier for festivals, that is a qualifier for award shows.
Speaker 1: If you have one hundred million streams, if you have
Speaker 1: there's a number, there's a qualifying number. If you have
Speaker 1: this many followers, but you don't have the radio, like,
Speaker 1: that's a qualifier. And it's like the more qualifiers you
Speaker 1: can have, the more qualified the people that are making
Speaker 1: the decisions think you are right right, yeah, and so
Speaker 1: and if I and I have friends of mine that
Speaker 1: have chosen to try them all at once, and it
Speaker 1: never works when they try to do them all with
Speaker 1: the ut most priority, because priorities aren't doing everything the same. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you can literally just be a streaming artist and
Speaker 1: crush and do everything anybody else can do, if that's
Speaker 1: what you have dedicated, if that's the rabbit, you were
Speaker 1: totally into. Same thing with being viral, if you're like
Speaker 1: you're talking about a social media artist and I'm not
Speaker 1: even saying that as any sort of slide, No, of
Speaker 1: course not. If that's your thing and you have four
Speaker 1: and a half million followers and you have videos that
Speaker 1: are doing three four hundred thousand every time, that's a
Speaker 1: freaking qualifier as much as anything else is. So it's
Speaker 1: interesting to see the roads that people go down. But
Speaker 1: what's crazy about you is most people that would talk
Speaker 1: like you would be older. You're young. You just did
Speaker 1: it way early and you got to go through a
Speaker 1: lot of trials and tribulations young, so you have the
Speaker 1: perspective of someone that's a lot older.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean that's the thing where for me,
Speaker 3: it's everything you know, you don't they're all opportunities like
Speaker 3: social media's a opportunity, it's a marketing opportunity, put yourself
Speaker 3: out there. You get to communicate and use it as
Speaker 3: a way to communicate with your fans. Streaming is, you know,
Speaker 3: a big way that people invest in music and consume music,
Speaker 3: and that's great. And then yeah, radio it's it's it's
Speaker 3: still a platform that that people really invest in and
Speaker 3: pay attention to. And and especially you know, I think
Speaker 3: even you know, a country music demographic a lot, it's
Speaker 3: still getting their work.
Speaker 4: They go, they can still get in.
Speaker 3: Their car and go to work, and more so than
Speaker 3: any other formul Yeah, and turn that on and I
Speaker 3: even find myself there's times where yeah, I can like
Speaker 3: I'm in the driveway trying to find something, but it's
Speaker 3: I end up doing this with TV. I'm just scrolling
Speaker 3: trying to find something. It's easier for me to just
Speaker 3: turn on all right, you know, and what's on the radio,
Speaker 3: and and it definitely has an impact and it's a yeah,
Speaker 3: but I don't know, it's it's I've we've we've pursued
Speaker 3: it all. We've had success and all I mean, we've
Speaker 3: had some songs of and it's interesting too This is
Speaker 3: a hard thing too. There's songs that stream really well
Speaker 3: that will not work at in the country music space
Speaker 3: at radio, you know, and and vice versa even and
Speaker 3: so it's it's a crazy puzzle that that I know
Speaker 3: a lot about. I don't have the crystal or the
Speaker 3: magic answer it, and I don't think anybody does what
Speaker 3: they did then they would be uh, yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Who do you look at? And I give you an
Speaker 1: example as I asked the question to give you time
Speaker 1: to think. This is an interview technique called I will
Speaker 1: ask you a difficult question, then I will talk for
Speaker 1: a second to give you time to think about an answer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who do you see? And you go, man, how they
Speaker 1: strategize that. That's pretty freaking cool. I give you an example.
Speaker 1: Drew Baldridge, who who had it all fell off, like
Speaker 1: it all fell off for him and really with no options,
Speaker 1: dude's playing backyards. One social media video blows up and
Speaker 1: he's like, well, crap, I'll just do this over and
Speaker 1: over again. Well, I really don't know how to do
Speaker 1: a label. And since no label will sign me off,
Speaker 1: figure it out, creates his own label, hires his own
Speaker 1: independent and did it and did it and is doing
Speaker 1: it again. Like I said, got another. So I look
Speaker 1: at Drew, who I didn't really know. I'd seen him around,
Speaker 1: and he had just turned into it.
Speaker 2: Uh. I don't think he would care, and I would
Speaker 2: actually don't care if he thinks if he cares.
Speaker 1: But he was just another guy that had a second
Speaker 1: was gone, which there's one hundred of them in town, yeah,
Speaker 1: every year. And he was like, oh yeah, that guy
Speaker 1: people kind of believe thought he was a shiny toy
Speaker 1: for a second, not anymore. But he like figured it
Speaker 1: out through necessity.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I look at Drew.
Speaker 1: When I say, man, this is the guy who strategized
Speaker 1: it and never had it figured out. Still doesn't, but
Speaker 1: like didn't stop figuring it out right until he had
Speaker 1: some success. He kept chasing it. Who do you Who
Speaker 1: do you see that does that?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: Man, there's there's a few. If you wouldn't have said
Speaker 3: you can say Drew too. I'll just say if you
Speaker 3: wouldn't have said Drew deaf because we played dude, I've
Speaker 3: played shows with him ten years ago.
Speaker 4: You know, he's open for us.
Speaker 3: We've over him, like and I've just known him, and yeah,
Speaker 3: just the it's there's it's never a straight line, and
Speaker 3: his story is definitely an example of that. But you
Speaker 3: do just figure it out, I would say him. I'd
Speaker 3: say Walker Hayes, like we knew Walker years ago, years
Speaker 3: before the Applebee's thing, and and you know, good, I
Speaker 3: love his music, like I thought it was so honest
Speaker 3: and raw, but uh, just actually continuing to do that
Speaker 3: kind of real left of center thing until you just
Speaker 3: catch the right wave, right. I'd also say, like a
Speaker 3: Muscatine bloodline right now they've done it from a non
Speaker 3: terrestrial radio side, but really just engaging a fan base
Speaker 3: and continuing to just uh you know, be a you know,
Speaker 3: a unified small business that is music and continuing to
Speaker 3: put out music for your fans.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and those are three people that did it
Speaker 2: completely different.
Speaker 1: I know that's what I was because completely they'd all
Speaker 1: chase different rabbits.
Speaker 2: And made it in their own way. Yeah, what do
Speaker 2: you listen to?
Speaker 3: Oh podcast?
Speaker 1: Now what about music?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we could do both. No, I with music like true,
Speaker 3: it's funny. That's probably why I say the top of
Speaker 3: mine is mustling. I was listening to their stuff. I listened, man,
Speaker 3: I listened to competitors. I hate giving them such such
Speaker 3: a what are you out out? But like Flatland Cavalry,
Speaker 3: like I like that stuff. I also like like Jason
Speaker 3: Isabel and and some like Americana kind of Americana folk
Speaker 3: type stuff. But then even like then like bumping this
Speaker 3: guy Forrest Frank, who you know is a great dance
Speaker 3: party for the family, and uh, trying to think I
Speaker 3: have to get on my Spotify. I music consumption is
Speaker 3: weird for me, to be totally honest, Like I sometimes
Speaker 3: it's very hard for me to to not listen to
Speaker 3: music critically, like I have like a steam son it
Speaker 3: sure you're in it, yeah, And so like if I'm
Speaker 3: if I like getting my son and I'm trying to chill,
Speaker 3: I literally put on a spa music playlist because there's
Speaker 3: no uh, there's no tempo, there's no time signature, there's
Speaker 3: it's just ambient noise, and that helps me like and
Speaker 3: then that's like podcasts too. It's at least I'm critically
Speaker 3: thinking about words people are saying as opposed to like
Speaker 3: why did they do that? Why did they and the
Speaker 3: chorus there, well you know like that. So sometimes music
Speaker 3: is honestly tough to listen to.
Speaker 2: What podcast do you listen to?
Speaker 3: Oh? Uh, I listened to this one. I listened to like,
Speaker 3: I mean just pretty basic stuff. Listened like Joe Rogan.
Speaker 1: But then I'll listen what's your number one listen to podcast?
Speaker 1: If they did a rap as of whatever? Today is
Speaker 1: April May, like so far this year, you probably listen
Speaker 1: to what podcast the most?
Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm gonna sound real weird. Sorry, there's a
Speaker 3: podcast called Blurry Creatures.
Speaker 1: Shut Out.
Speaker 2: I don't know them, tell me more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so, it's called Blurry Creatures. It started as
Speaker 3: a big Foot podcast because every photo of Bigfoot is blurry?
Speaker 1: Do you know it? The podcast, Oh you just love Bigfoot?
Speaker 1: I was like real read also listens and no, no
Speaker 1: read love Bigfoot? Got it? Yeah, it's like you're in
Speaker 1: a city Bakersville.
Speaker 3: Yeah Bigfoot. Okay, we got to see they're Bigfoot fans.
Speaker 4: I'm not even a Bigfoot guy like that.
Speaker 3: But it's called Burry Creatures because there is you know,
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, every but does he exist? So it
Speaker 3: turned but what it is now it's like a super
Speaker 3: natural podcast from kind of like a religious perspective, like
Speaker 3: a worldview of like Okay, they're really weird things like
Speaker 3: in the Bible there, like do the aliens, you know,
Speaker 3: do these things.
Speaker 4: It's the weird. It's a weird podcast, but it's fun.
Speaker 3: They like I'll just listen to a guest I was
Speaker 3: talking about near death experiences, so they'll have really interesting,
Speaker 3: like qualified people on there that just that once again
Speaker 3: from my mind, like near death experiences I have no
Speaker 3: I can't really analyze that or critically. I can just
Speaker 3: turn my brain off and like clean the house or
Speaker 3: do something around the house and listen to a guy
Speaker 3: talk about studying thousands of people who have had near
Speaker 3: death experiences.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good because it's so different than what you
Speaker 1: do all the time, so you're not comparing it to
Speaker 1: what you do, or you're not comparing it to other
Speaker 1: things that are like what you do. That's why I
Speaker 1: what sucks is I now do a lot of sports,
Speaker 1: but that's why we listen to all sports podcasts. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it just took me away from this place completely.
Speaker 1: Not that I don't love the place, but there gets
Speaker 1: to be a point where I've had enough for the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah in every way. Yeah, and so but then, like
Speaker 1: I typically do, I just started was like I think
Speaker 1: I'll do it now too. And so now I got
Speaker 1: like two sports podcasts. I can't even listen to them
Speaker 1: and enjoy them like I used to because now I'm
Speaker 1: either thinking about, man, this guy's really good.
Speaker 2: This guy I like how.
Speaker 1: He does it, or this sucks or what a terrible guest,
Speaker 1: or now I'm thinking I never booked this guest.
Speaker 2: So now I've kind of run that for myself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that you you're a person. I'm like that
Speaker 3: you turn your you take your passions and then turn
Speaker 3: them into something, and then your passion them becomes I
Speaker 3: even got like that with golf, Like in same fish,
Speaker 3: I'm in fishing, I was in fish tournaments, got into golf,
Speaker 3: joined a golf league, and like was trying to be
Speaker 3: the number one ranks in.
Speaker 4: My little dumb league. And I'm like, I can turn
Speaker 4: things into like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get a little serious.
Speaker 1: My wife will tell me to stop turning hobbies into
Speaker 1: things that I'm monetizing. Yeah, And I tell her I
Speaker 1: don't start them to monetize them, but I do them
Speaker 1: and get so obsessed. And I also can go, I
Speaker 1: can monetize this while also loving it. But then it
Speaker 1: gets to the point then I have to create the product.
Speaker 1: Then then it becomes obsession with product creation, and I
Speaker 1: kind of lose what I originally got in. So every
Speaker 1: hobby I've ever had, I've turned it into content and
Speaker 1: then not loved it as much.
Speaker 3: Well, and it's hard for you because your career is
Speaker 3: like you're a facilitator of conversation and ideas and people,
Speaker 3: and so if it's if you get you could do
Speaker 3: that with anything, Like for a musician, no matter how
Speaker 3: much I'm into golf, Like I'm not gonna write golf songs,
Speaker 3: you know, And so where I could see that being
Speaker 3: a challenge for you because it's it's definitely anything you
Speaker 3: get into you could take this format and you could
Speaker 3: use the tools and the resources that you have to
Speaker 3: I think golf.
Speaker 2: So pretty good, man, What I think golf's long be
Speaker 2: pretty good?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there is one out there if we
Speaker 4: get the artists.
Speaker 2: I started listening to Blurry Bigfoots or whatever.
Speaker 3: It's coloring creatures, dude, it's a it's an out there.
Speaker 3: It's just literally when it's just top my mind, I
Speaker 3: was listened to it last night. But I will listen
Speaker 3: to things that are not I love sports too, but
Speaker 3: I'll like watch I was like Sports Center, you know,
Speaker 3: something like that on no sports podcasts don't really listen
Speaker 3: to cause I kind of I'll like watch high. I
Speaker 3: get on social and like look at like what's if
Speaker 3: Niko's wanting four million dollars whatever, Like I'll go down
Speaker 3: a rabbit hole of that. But sometimes I'll listen to
Speaker 3: like sports radio, like in the car, but I don't
Speaker 3: a lot of times intentionally cigret that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're always writing songs in your head? Is there
Speaker 1: always something you're going, Oh, that could be a concept,
Speaker 1: that could be a that could be a yeah.
Speaker 3: So I actually am I've discovered this in my life
Speaker 3: the past few years, is that I am a seasonal writer.
Speaker 4: So I'll go through seasons of that.
Speaker 3: I'll go through now now there's it's always kind of
Speaker 3: there because they like even today, I could get my
Speaker 3: car like, oh you know what, and I will write
Speaker 3: it down. But when I'm in like a season of writing,
Speaker 3: then everything the faucet is always on it, everything is
Speaker 3: a song at the point where it's like obsessive. I
Speaker 3: can roll down my window and roll everything is something
Speaker 3: that could be in a song.
Speaker 4: But sometimes I don't want to.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be the too long because then
Speaker 3: everything nothing really sticks out Like I don't I'm not
Speaker 3: actually captivating. I'm just like in that obsessive mode where
Speaker 3: everything's a lyric, where right now something stands out to me.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, in the midst of everything that stood out,
Speaker 3: that's probably pretty cool.
Speaker 1: The album, We're gonna make it. You guys still have
Speaker 1: dates all the way till I see end of August,
Speaker 1: still doing shows, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, We're headed into like kind of that summer festival
Speaker 3: season thing. We're all over the place and then gonna
Speaker 3: do like a fall winter tour.
Speaker 2: All the seasons you just said all the seasons.
Speaker 3: Well, summer for anyone listening, Spring and summer for a
Speaker 3: lot of artists. There are summer tours, but for a
Speaker 3: lot of artists it's it's not routed.
Speaker 4: It's just a crazy festival season.
Speaker 3: You're flying all over the place because if Charlotte's gonna
Speaker 3: have you on Saturday, and then San Francisco, you know
Speaker 3: LA's gonna have you on Wisconsin. Madison you're just all
Speaker 3: over the place because you're going where the festivals and
Speaker 3: fairs are. But then like fall, winter is more where
Speaker 3: you're like routing theaters and clubs and you're like go, like.
Speaker 4: We're gonna go to Chicago.
Speaker 3: We're going to Cincinnati, Chicago, Madison, Minneapolis. It's a little
Speaker 3: more organized, but some are literally is like a thrown
Speaker 3: a dart darts of a map.
Speaker 2: What's good to see again?
Speaker 1: Man? Yeah it is again. I don't feel like I
Speaker 1: haven't seen you. It's the weird thing. It hasn't been.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been a long time since we've actually
Speaker 1: spent time together. But yeah, I find that sometimes because
Speaker 1: somebody will come over and I haven't seen them forever,
Speaker 1: and I don't even make a big deal about seeing
Speaker 1: them again because it feels like I've seen them because
Speaker 1: of what socials.
Speaker 2: I'm quite social media.
Speaker 3: I can't, though I would say I can't either.
Speaker 4: I just had a social media meeting yesterday.
Speaker 1: How'd that go?
Speaker 4: It never goes well.
Speaker 1: What I find problematic about those meetings, especially if I
Speaker 1: talk to people about the algorithm, is they never really know.
Speaker 1: There's never any actual knowledge backed by data they can
Speaker 1: give you that will be the same next week. So
Speaker 1: it's always this is what it was, but based on
Speaker 1: what we know about algorithms, it will not be this
Speaker 1: way next week. So uh yeah, good luck.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that could be a whole winding trail we go.
Speaker 3: But it's tough because for me, I just want to
Speaker 3: put out I want to showcase our music and our
Speaker 3: our shows and our lifestyle whatever. But a lot of
Speaker 3: things at work it's like, hey, this trend is happening.
Speaker 3: Can you do this trend? It's like, well, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: I can.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's always a it's a it's a dance that never ends.
Speaker 3: But and when I say it didn't go well, it's
Speaker 3: not it doesn't go well. It just is like for me,
Speaker 3: it's way more fun like writing a song or the show.
Speaker 3: So it's hard when you're not like I don't love it,
Speaker 3: and so it's just trying to find what I love
Speaker 3: about it and what excites me to put on there.
Speaker 3: But a lot of times what excites me may not
Speaker 3: be the trendiest, most captivating. I don't know, it's a
Speaker 3: I just want to do blurry bigfoot. Yeah, just to
Speaker 3: start talking about bigfoot.
Speaker 1: All right? Follow at Lanco Music for Lanco and Brandon Lanka.
Speaker 1: That's just it.
Speaker 2: It's Brandon lank renan out of characters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's uh. Yeah. I'm never on my personal but
Speaker 3: you are.
Speaker 1: No, that's why it was lefted second here. But I
Speaker 1: thought I would just know Brandon Linka out there because
Speaker 1: it looks weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not your whole name. There were two any characters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I should just get a new page now, I know.
Speaker 3: I like run all the Lanco stuff, so I'm always
Speaker 3: on there.
Speaker 1: And it would have just made did you do Brandon
Speaker 1: Lanka before at Lanco Music?
Speaker 3: Dude, I made Brandon Lanka before Instagram was even It
Speaker 3: was like a photo editing because I would have said,
Speaker 3: you could have just.
Speaker 2: Done Brandon Lanco instead of Brandon Lankab.
Speaker 1: But your name is Lancaster but yeah, yeah, well I
Speaker 1: was Bob Man seventeen for a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's like a.
Speaker 1: It's an old screen name from like high school, Brandon Lanka.
Speaker 4: That they just like automatically a sign don't.
Speaker 1: Worry about Brandon Lanka. Go follow at Lanco Music and
Speaker 1: you guys check out the music and tell all the
Speaker 1: boys it said hello, I will it'd be awesome.
Speaker 2: There is Brandon lincash
Speaker 5: Every Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production